[governance] BRICS
Oksana Prykhodko
sana.pryhod at gmail.com
Mon Jul 13 13:32:17 EDT 2015
Dear all,
Just my two cents both from Ukraine and Russian speaking world. Are you
sure that there is a difference between "multilateral" and
"multistakeholder" in Russian/other Cyrillic languages? Are you interested
in army of Gongos (ngos, created by govs) or Bingos (ngos, created by
business)? BTW, any contribution from business of our region?
Best regards,
Oksana
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, being hung up on the "equal footing" as an end in itself may also be
> kind of ideological. That governments want equal footing among themselves
> when they come together to address a set of issues (or when they are all
> legitimately concerned by such issues) is largely understandable, as they
> are formally similar organizations/entities.
>
> In the context of a global multistakeholderism, particularly in relation
> to public policy, what is most important for other stakeholders of a
> different form such as CS is to make sure their views and contributions are
> taken seriously, given due consideration and factored into the decision
> making process. Now, I'm sure there are various ways to achieve this
> depending on the setting and ultimately who can sway the decisions to be
> made, from the hard to the soft end of the arrangements spectrum (to use
> Wolfgang's terminology in this setting), even when CS* is not sitting
> directly at the table. It's just a practice that needs to be established,
> enshrined (and WSIS itself has enabled that in a typically
> intergovernmental process -- a summit); we may just need to be a little
> more imaginative about it going forward.
>
> * Not to mention that CS itself is not a unitary entity, certainly not at
> global level, and the way it and its decision making are structured also
> plays a role here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mawaki
> /Brought to you by my droid agent
> Our messages crossed Wolfgang. I think we are in general agreement. As
> civil society what we need is a clear vision of what we want internet
> governance to look like - and we need to demand that consistently from
> all governments, both in multilateral contexts and in the
> multistakeholder space, and in all regions and from all blocs.
>
> Anriette
>
> On 13/07/2015 16:26, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:
> > Keith:
> > Does this means the ICANN "breakthroughs" of having Brazil and India
> pledging allegiance to multistakeholderism is now meaningless, as the heads
> of state of BRICS have reaffirmed their commitment to multilateralism?
> >
> > Good question Keith,
> >
> > my understanding was always that the "multilateralists"
> vs."multistakeholderists" battle is a purely ideological battle and does
> not match the reality.
> >
> > The reality is that the intergovernmental treaty system (which is based
> on the Vienne Convention of the Law of Treaties) will not disappear the
> next 100 years. And we will have also in the Internet world multilateral
> treaties where governments agree among themselvs (in a legally binding
> form) about rights, duties and responsibilities. Take the Budapest
> Cybercrime Convention which is ratfied by states which support the
> multistakeholder approach (and which is not ratified by governments which
> support the multilateral approach).
> >
> > But on top of legally binding hard law treaties there will be more and
> more soft law instruments or other arrangements. In many areas where we
> have global problems, governments are and will be unable to agree.
> States/government have different ideas, interests and objectives and do not
> want to agree if it comes to issues where they see national interests and
> national sovereignty at stake. But the system of international relations is
> much broader and more complex then bi- or multilateral legally binding
> relationships among governments.
> >
> > Insofar the multistakeholder approach allows to find more flexible
> arrangements which can produce even more stability than legally binding
> treaties (which can be also ignored when governments change their mind or
> the circumstances are changing/ clausular rebus sic stantibus) because such
> multistakeholder arrangements pull non-governmental stakeholders into a
> mechanism where those groups from the private sector, the technical
> community or even civil society take committments to themselves to follow
> certain principles, norms or programms (as described in the WGIG
> Definition).
> >
> > Such an approach does not exclude intergovernmental arrangements. They
> are and will continue to be a part of the broader picture. The language I
> use is that today "the multilateral system is "embedded" into a
> multistakeholder environment". So it is not "either-or". You can have both.
> This are two different layers. And BTW, the Indian minister in BA used the
> language "multistakeholder and multilayer" mechanism which is correct in my
> eyes.
> >
> > With regard to the BRICS: There is the draft convention by the Shanghai
> Group in the 1st Committee of the UNGA. I expect that it is rather
> unrealistic that this draft gets universal acceptance. Some elements are
> reflected now in the new report of the Group of Governmental Experts, which
> will be published early August and discussed by the UNGA in October. The
> Ufa Declaration tries to keep the door open. India, Brazil, even China can
> continue with a "double strategy". But this is part of the political cat
> and mouse game. The "Ufa Declaration" does not mention anymore a "regional
> cybersecurity treaty" (as it was considered by some Russian experts). The
> member states of the African Union have negotiated a regional cybersecurity
> treaty. So one scenario could be to have three (or four or five) regional
> multilateral cybersecurity treaties. This is probably gone. A good move.
> The reality is that we probably will continue with a situation where the
> 50+ member states of the Budapest
> Conventio
> n invite the non-member states to sign and ratify the Budapest Convention
> and the other governments (including the BRICS countries) propose to have a
> new convention under the auspices of the UN. Difficult to make any forcast
> how this will be played out.
> >
> >
> > Here is an excerpt from a previous article I wrote to the issue:
> >
> > "An important role will play how the numerous involved governmental and
> non-governmental actors understand the nature of the complexity of the
> Internet Governance Eco-System. Already the terminology "Internet
> Governance Eco-System" signals that the Internet is not just "another
> policy issue" which — after the revelations of Edward Snowden — has been
> pushed now for policy decision makers from "low priority" to "high
> priority". The problem is much more complex.
> >
> > The Internet is not a "single issue" which needs to be regulated in one
> way or another. The Internet, as it has evolved over half of a century, has
> penetrated all areas of the political, economic, cultural and social life
> around the globe. It constitutes more and more the environment in which
> individuals and institutions do live and learn, do their business, buy and
> sell, make love and fun and have all kind of individual or collective
> activities. The Internet Governance Eco-System constitutes to a high degree
> the virtual environment of the 21st century. Life without the Internet is
> meanwhile unthinkable for the young generation which are the decision
> makers of tomorrow. From the 20th century we know about the consequences of
> the pollution of our natural environment. The lesson learned from those
> disasters is that we should be very careful with all kinds of pollutions
> and keep our real and virtual environment as healthy as possible.
> >
> > The Internet Governance Eco-System can be compared a little bit to the
> rainforest. In the rainforest an uncountable number of diverse plants and
> animals live together in a very complex system. In the "virtual rainforest"
> we have also an endless and growing diversity of networks, services,
> applications, regimes and other properties which co-exist in a mutual
> interdependent mechanism of communication, coordination and collaboration.
> One thing which can be learnt is that the rainforest as a whole is not
> managable. It can be neither governed nor controlled, but it can be damaged
> and destroyed. In the Internet Governance Eco-System many players with very
> different legal status operate on many different layers, on local,
> national, regional and international levels, driven by technical
> innovation, user needs, market opportunities and political interests.
> > Good Question Keith,
> >
> >
> > As a result we see a very dynamic process where — from a political-legal
> perspective — a broad variety of different regulatory, co-regulatory or
> self-regulatory regimes emerge, co-exist and complement or conflict each
> other. The system as a whole is decentralized, diversified and has no
> central authority. However, within the various subsystems there is an
> incredible broad variety of different sub-mechanisms which range from
> hierarchical structures under single or inter-governmental control to
> non-hierarchical networks based on self-regulatory mechanisms by
> non-governmental groups with a wide range of co-regulatory arrangements in
> between where affected and concerned stakeholders from governments, private
> sector, civil society and technical community are working hand in hand.
> >
> > There is no "one size fits all" solution. The specific form of each
> sub-system has to be designed according to the very specific needs and
> nature of the individual issue. In such a mechanism, traditional national
> legislation and intergovernmental agreements continue to play a role but
> have to be embedded into the broader multistakeholder environment while new
> emerging mechanisms have to take note and recognize existing frameworks and
> regulations on various levels. The "do-not-harm" principle becomes more
> important than ever. It means that whatever a governmental or
> non-governmental player will do in the Internet has to take into
> consideration its direct or indirect consequences for not involved third
> parties as well as the unintended side-effects for the system as a whole.
> >
> > Such a competitive coexistence of rather different regimes and
> mechanisms creates opportunities but has also risks. There are incredible
> opportunities for new mechanisms, platforms and services to bring more
> dynamic into political strategies, social actions and market developments.
> This competitive coexistence can stimulate innovation, promote job
> creation, enlarge all kinds of cultural activities and broaden the use of
> individual freedoms by the public at large both in developed and developing
> nations. But there is also a risk that differences between regimes and
> systems create controversies and produce heavy conflicts which includes the
> threat to turn down innovation, hamper sustainable development, to reduce
> individual freedoms and to pollute the Internet Governance Eco-System in a
> way that parts of it will be damaged or destroyed.
> >
> > The challenge is to find flexible mechanisms for enhanced communication,
> coordination as well as formal and informal collaboration among the various
> players at the different layers to allow that all stakeholders can play
> their respective role on an equal footing without discrimination in an open
> and transparent mechanism. Among the key principles for such an enhanced
> cooperation are, inter alia, mutual respect and recognition of the role of
> other stakeholders, legitimacy, checks and balances in a workable and
> recognized accountability system, early engagement and others.
> >
> >
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20131231_internet_governance_outlook_2014_good_news_bad_news_no_news/
> >
> > Does this means the ICANN "breakthroughs" of having Brazil and India
> > pledging allegiance to multistakeholderism is now meaningless, as the
> > heads of state of BRICS have reaffirmed their commitment to
> multilateralism?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > On 10/07/2015 5:42 a.m., "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> the heads of states of the five BRICS Countries have just finished
> their summit in the Russian City of Ufa.
> >>
> >> They adopted a 50 pages declaration which includes (as the Forteleza
> Declaration in Brazil in 2014) also two long paragraphs related to
> Internet. There are more good than bad news in the document. And pobably
> one have to read the document by recognizing what is NOT in the adopted
> language: There is only little use of terminology like "Internet
> Governance" or "multistakeholderism". They do not mention ICANN or IANA or
> the IGF or the NetMundial conference. The used terminology is "ICT", the
> main subject is "security".
> >>
> >> The key Internet paras 33.4 - 33.6 say:
> >>
> >> 33.4 We consider that the Internet is a global resource and that states
> should participate on equal footing in its evaluation and funtioning,
> taking into account the need to involve relevant stakeholders in their
> respective roles and responsibilities." And they add in the sama para: "We
> are in favour of an open, non-fragmented and secure Internet. We uphold the
> roles and responsibilities of national governments in regard to regulation
> anf security of the ntwork."
> >>
> >> 33.5 acknolwledges the need "to promote, among others, the principles
> of multilateralism, democracy, transparency and mutual trust and stand for
> the universally agreed rules of conduct with regard to the network. It is
> necessary to ensure that the UN plays a fascilitating role in setting up
> international policies pertaining to the Internet.
> >>
> >> 33.5 We support the evolution of the Internet governance ecosystem,
> which should be based on an open and democratic process, free from the
> influence of any unilateral considerations."
> >>
> >> The other para 35 deals mainly with security questions. In 35.1 the
> heads of state recognize "the need for a universal regulatory binding
> instrument on combating the criminal use of ICTs under the UN auspieces.
> >>
> >> In 35.2 they reaffirm the "key role of the UN" in adressing Internet
> related security issues.
> >>
> >> The have also re-established the BRICS Working Group of experts on
> security in the use of ICTs. This Group will enhance cooperation among
> BRICS countries, including collaboration among existing CSIRTS.
> >>
> >> Would be good to know why they did not mention IANA Transition, IGF and
> WSIS 10+
> >>
> >> Wolfgang
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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