The Good the Bad and the Ugly was Re: [governance] Internet Social Forum

[Daniel Pimienta]

Thanks Carlos to share in this list the statement of J. Malcolm.

As an early follower and today member and ally of 
JNC and its plan to launch an ISF I have read 
with attention this document, especially because 
you qualified it as "excellent".
I appreciate the time the author has invested in 
putting together the document and the huge effort 
to maintain a neutral tone...which, as I will 
show, has been struggling and loosing againts a 
deep rage he cannot hide. Why facing different 
vision provokes that much rage is hard to 
understand to me... Why Carlos Afonso find excellence here does surprise me.

Maybe my reading is not enough objective but I 
read basically 2 strong arguments against the action plan of JNC for an ISF:

1) The first argument is that "We in JNC are 
clear partisan of governments taking charge of the governance of the Internet."
The very axiom of all the the demonstration is 
just not true so unfortunalely all the derived theorems are wrong.
The critic of today multistakeholderism is not 
synonym of allegance to traditional governmental 
form of democracy... or imagination has become so limited in civil society?
The arguing that JNC pretend to use standard 
democratic repreasentation and member states 
competent international organisations is nothing 
but an oversimplification which is not prone to 
good dialog and somehow is part of the second argument.

2) The second argument is the demonization of the players of JNC.

Let me just list the various qualificatives spead 
over the rationale to make my point:

- profoundly dysfunctional (engagement with civil society)
-  (the people of JNC has) frequently threatened to tear that group apart
- a prominent JNC member almost came to blows 
with a female attendee (this for Parminder)
- the toxic relationship that its representatives 
have cultivated with the rest of civil society.
- to disrupt ... by hectoring, intimidating and 
disparaging participants who expressed pro-multistakeholder views.
- this is a farcical insult (refer to Gurstein's)
-  the disruptive behaviour of JNC
- these demands were delivered with such hubris 
and entitlement  that the effect has been to 
isolate JNC from other civil society groups and 
networks and to sow seeds of discord
that will have lasting effects - JNC betrayed 
that trust...  (this is for Norbert)
- This is a shame
- preferring to focus its destructive anger on 
easier,weaker targets ­ its own civil society colleagues.

This seems to me to be a replay of a good 
spaghetti western with JNC in the role of the 
ugly, IGF in the role of the bad and BetBits in the role of the Good.
I prefer Sergio Leone version :-) and I have a 
hard time to understand why a profound difference 
of vision inside civil society should be treated 
as a pathologic deviance as would homosexuality 
be treated in some very conservative countries...

To conclude, I am myself a "white man" born in a 
developing country, with a nationality of an 
industrialized country who lived in a developing 
country... but who cares beyond Mr. Malcolm  (X :-)?)
and what sort of argument is that to designate MM. Pouzin and Nothias?

Daniel Pimienta

PD: There is a simple way to determine if, as M. 
Malcolm pretends, his views on the Ugly part of 
this community are shared by the majority: this 
is a survey on the list with the appropriate 
questions, a device that virtual community 
managers use when conflictive situation occurs. I 
do suggest to the convenors of this list to think 
seriously about it so nobody can pretend talking 
on the name of the rest of us without factual support.

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