[governance] Fw: [IP] DL- One Man's Freedom is Another Man's Imperialism (via Evgeny Morosov)

Wed Jan 7 01:43:12 EST 2015

On Wednesday 07 January 2015 12:32 AM, Barry Shein wrote:
> I don't think you have an "exceptionally poor IQ" :-)
>
> But there is a whiff of moral nihilism inherent in this.

Not at all. That is one one thing you can hardly ever accuse me of :)
>
> That said the problem we continue to run up against is no effective
> international dispute resolution process.
What about the International Court of Justice. In my view, with the 
digital encompassing a largely boundary-less world, there should be a 
separate digital bench of the ICJ. (Some organisations have suggested 
this as a part of the new institutional landscape that we need for 
global IG). But for that we need to develop international law bec ICJ 
applies international law - for which we need venues to legitimately 
develop international law..... Which is something many of us have been 
struggling for a long time, including in this space.

>   Even if we were to assume
> the worst the DPRK is accused of were true, or Iran for that matter
> (much of which is quite believable if for no other reason than they
> boast about it) what is the resolution process? Beyond a group of
> probably reasonable people agreeing to issue a statement sympathizing
> with one side or another?

The above is a clear plan of action, not just a vacant statement of 
outrage and sympathy. (and my proof against allegation of moral nihilism 
:) ) My view is that civil society should be working on such plans, to 
promote global public interest. But a lot of them seem to have other 
plans, for instance, joining up with big business like at the WEF to 
block development of international law and norms in this area...

parminder
>
> And, not surprisingly, we run into the same lack in cyber-matters.
>
> So it devolves to exercises of raw power, justified or not, with all
> the inherent dangers and unexpected consequences thereof.
>
> To my thinking that's the real problem.
>
> On January 6, 2015 at 14:22 parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) wrote:
>   >
>   > On Tuesday 06 January 2015 12:37 AM, Barry Shein wrote:
>   > > Something which strikes me in that article is that it makes the point
>   > > that the link between the Sony breaches and N Korea hasn't been
>   > > established but asserts that the US govt took down N Korea's internet
>   > > connection as if it were established fact.
>   >
>   > What is certainly an established fact is that the US has announced
>   > sanctions against North Korea specially in relation to this episode ,
>   > see
>   > http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/01/02/obama-orders-sanctions-on-north-korea-over-sony-hack/
>   > .
>   >
>   > Further, Obama has warned that US's response would ,Ab���take place at a time
>   > and in a manner of our choosing.,Ab���
>   >
>   > However reprehensible the North Korean regime is, it is unacceptable
>   > that US should officially use such war like language for a yet to be
>   > proven allegation. (What about its own 'proven' attacks on Iranian
>   > nuclear reactors, and against practically everyone, that Snowden tells
>   > us about.) If any other country uses the same language against the US -
>   > that a response will take place at a time and in a manner of our
>   > choosing -  it is quiet likely that the US will declare that one as a
>   > terrorist state and begin suffocating it economically, and even justify
>   > drone attacks as it pleases.
>   >
>   > Another important factor; the US is the main party that refuses to get
>   > into talking about a global cyber security treaty, of any kind
>   > whatsoever, bec it apparently does not want any global constraints upon
>   > its own global cyber adventures...
>   >
>   > And this is the country that many of us here allow to lead the global
>   > Internet regime.... And allow it to keep the world hyper confused about
>   > everything Internet governance, from the need of global forums for
>   > Internet norms and policies to an IANA transition process that is made
>   > to order to confuse and mislead, unless of course it is me who has an
>   > exceptionally poor IQ..
>   >
>   > parminder
>   >
>   > > Barring supporting evidence or admission what's more likely is they
>   > > were taken down by pranksters/miscreants who tend to attack anything
>   > > which is in the news.
>   > >
>   > > I tend to doubt that's how the US govt is likely to deal with a
>   > > foreign power, it would be silly, except perhaps as a preventative
>   > > measure (to block some attack in progress.)
>   > >
>   > > And I also doubt it would have much affect on N Korea.
>   > >
>   > > So, no evidence, and it doesn't even make sense.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > P.S. Did N Korea threaten harm to theater-goers if the film opened or
>   > > not? There's some suspicion the threat was a hoax tho they seemed to
>   > > retract the threat later.
>   > >
>   > > This is all like tap-dancing on quicksand.
>   > >
>   >
>   >
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