[governance] Towards an Internet Social Forum

David Cake dave at difference.com.au
Fri Feb 6 00:50:59 EST 2015


On 6 Feb 2015, at 6:55 am, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Dear Michael, dear friends,
> 
> this statement from Michael produced my disagreement.
> 
> "So it never occurred to us that we needed to spell out what seemed to us to be the quite self-evident principle that democracy was the basis of all sovereignty…"

	I agree, this seems like a principle of wishful thinking that ignores the existence of sovereign undemocratic nations. Perhaps democracy should be the basis of sovereignty, but that certainly isn’t the case in the world we live in.

	A very interesting academic read on the idea of sovereignty is Stephen Krasner’s book Sovereignty: Organized Hypocrisy.

> Never have sovereignty to do with democracy. This concept comes from the french absolutism (Jean Bodin) and means absolute freedom for any type of decision. The parallelism We see in the way how government institutions and private companies customize the "Internet" in their favor. They can do this because they control the technical resources.
> 
> "There are to my knowledge no countries on earth which do not have some form of democratic and representative structures in place..."
> 
> I ask me, Michael, on what planet you live.

	Apparently one in which China, Iran, KSA, etc do not have sovereignty. The JNC pro-state position does make a lot more sense in a world in which those governments do not exist.

	Regards

		David
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