[governance] PP: India wants to abolish BGP and introduce national routing and IP management

[Barry Shein]

Two points for the price of one:

1.

Executive Summary (more details below):

  I proposed we have an internet flag day in (straw man) 2020 after
  which IPv4 will no longer be supported by core resources.

Responding to Daniel Kalchev (text below):

You are predicting a very government-centric resistance to this
proposal.

No doubt many governments will have a reaction but such a change is
not particularly within governments' purview any more than introducing
IPv6 was within their scope. Obviously their views must be considered,
not my point, we are all voices in this wilderness.

Also, I would agree that a key requirement would be a funded
communications function so this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone.

One major concern I have is, for example, China will concur with
India's view on IPv4 address allocations at which point nearly half
the world's population is in protest (by some measure of
representation.)

Perhaps we can forestall any conflict.

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2.

Change subject slightly, not a response to anything below:

In reference to the comments about a "Westphalian" view of address
allocation:

We do currently have a regional division of organizations for address
allocation, APNIC (Asia-Pacific), AfrNIC (Africa), LACNIC (Latin
Amer), ARIN (N. Amer.), and RIPE (Europe.)

And these in turn are defined by the nation-states they serve.

So that snipe was a bit disingenuous unless it was meant to say this
should be unwound.

The run out of IPv4 addresses and the switch to IPv6 allocations is
heralding a qualitative as much as a quantitative change.

That is, why have regional allocations at all?

Addresses too cheap to meter!

Well, admittedly not really on the table but then again what is for
certain?


On October 29, 2014 at 12:50 daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) wrote:
 > A very nice proposal indeed. I have no doubt few governments will even
 > vote for it!
 > 
 > My prediction:
 > 
 > 1. Most of the Internet will have never, ever heard of this great "save
 > the Internet" human race goal, and for them, everything will continue as
 > usual.
 > 
 > 2. The Tier 1 "ISP" (*) or "DNS root" operator's mom will call their
 > child and as "Why can't I read my daily gossip? Do something about it!".
 > After which, these parts will again rejoin the Internet.
 > 
 > 3. There will be a new article about the malicious terrorists that
 > conspired to halt the Internet.
 > 
 > 4. White bearded scientists will long argue on talk shows why the
 > miscreants wanted the Internet top stop on exactly that date.
 > 
 > 5. Next day will come.
 > 
 > Daniel
 > 
 > (*) I have been around long before this unfortunate "Internet Services
 > Provider" term was invented. Whoever invented it, did a bad service to
 > the community. For most people it has no meaning. But eventually
 > everyone embraced it, which is yet another proof of how little people do
 > care about those things.
 > 
 > PS: Yes, I agree that such event would "solve" this India proposal. But
 > nobody will agree to that, because by 2020 those who want it, won't be
 > in office anymore. It has to happen before the next elections, in fact.
 > 
 > 
 > On 28.10.14 21:39, Barry Shein wrote:
 > > 
 > > Straw Man:
 > > 
 > > The obvious solution to the IPv4 address distribution issues in
 > > Proposal 98 is to have a "flag day" after which IPv4 will no longer be
 > > used in the public internet.
 > > 
 > > This would put everyone back on equal footing vis a vis address
 > > distribution and resolve this issue.
 > > 
 > > I realize there are issues involved such as backwards compatability
 > > with older devices though V4/V6 gateways are well understood.
 > > 
 > > Another issue is "by who's authority?!"
 > > 
 > > But if for example the DNS root and Tier 1 etc (major connectivity
 > > providers) went along that would be authority enough. The objective is
 > > not to "outlaw" IPv4, just to make it exceedingly inconvenient for
 > > general use after that date (e.g., no more DNS resolutions from the
 > > root and others.)
 > > 
 > > For discussion's sake I will propose 14 November 2020 00:00GMT which
 > > happens to be Diwali 2020 and a Saturday so Sunday across the date
 > > line.
 > > 
 > > 
 > 
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