[bestbits] [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations

[Sivasubramanian M]

Dear David Allen,

It requires different variations of the Multi-Stakeholder model for
​different purposes. For the purpose of Internet Governance, we have 700
seats in the room with 7000 participants in rotation, with 70 million
others listening, which is sufficient. If we are extending this thought to
the government of Nations or the World, then it would not be a replacement
for Democracy, but an enhancement (or call it a Complement), in the sense
that the Elected Representatives and the Appointed Functionaries would
involve the rest of the people in day  to day debates and decisions by
using the Multi-stakeholder model. So, in a scenario where the
multi-stakeholder model is extended to the larger arena of Governance,
after elections, those elected would make choices by the multi-staekholder
model.

There is a positive, apolitical reason why Multi-stakeholder model would be
advantageous. We often find that Governments do not always find solutions
to problems, some of which are complex problems. Think of the
multi-stakeholder process as a process of consulting Stakeholders who are
experts in their own respective sphere. Governments get to have varied
expertise leading to creative solutions to problems that they are either
unable to solve, or ineffectively resolve.

Sivasubramanian M

Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
+1 (213) 300 8293 Oct 11-19 2014



On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 1:19 AM, David Allen <
David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Ah yes, you complain that, after elections, only those elected make
> choices.  Though of course, those who did the electing did make a choice,
> of their representatives, in the first place ...
>
> But you imagine some evolution to a model where anyone who shows up has a
> place - and those who do not, of course, well too bad for them ...   Hmmm
> ...
>
> In the first case, there is opportunity for the masses to speak through
> the ballot box.  And for the second place, you will arrange for a table
> with 7 billion places at it?  And arrange to get everyone there?  So, since
> there is no ballot box, they can speak?
>
> Or, you prefer CJ Leung's [Hong Kong] approach, where we 'don't want to be
> representing the poor folk'?  So ceding power to the powerful?
>
> David
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> It is not fair to say that the Multistakeholder model restricts
> participation. In fact the opposite is true because this new model has a
> working framework in place for bringing in participants other than elected
> representatives and appointed functionaries ( would not be very wrong to
> class these them both under "Government") to the table. And it is too early
> in the evolutionary phase of multistakeholder model to draw a conclusion
> that the participating stakeholders ​​​are not representative enough.
>
> The contrary of what you said is true. By its definition, by its
> intentions, and by the framework already in place, Multistakeholderism DOES
> extend AND broaden the opportunity for EFFECTIVE participation.
>
> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:49 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> MSism as presented bears absolutely no relationship to Participatory
>> Democracy, in fact it is exactly the opposite—rather than extending or
>> broadening the opportunity for effective participation MSism restricts this
>> by putting the condition of “stakeholdership”
>
>
>
> ​
>
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