[governance] URGENT: Last call for feedback on CS participation in NETmundial Initiative
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Fri Nov 21 00:39:25 EST 2014
I can't agree more. The other thing is you will definitely find other civil
society organizations at the table, whatever the local consensus we achieve
here is.
On November 21, 2014 10:55:08 AM shailam at yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi
> If we wish to have our voice heard we need to be at the table. If we are
> not there how can we voice opinions ,influence and shape policy decisions.
> Regardless of the numerous pros and cons to joining NM, the prevailing
> factor is to be a participating presence.
> Shaila Rao Mistry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Even within civil society, include only those sections of civil society
> that still use jargon like neoliberal
> >
> > I suppose it is a mercy that 'evil capitalist running dogs' is out of
> fashion these days.
> >> On November 19, 2014 2:52:03 PM Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Guru,
> >>
> >>> (You (Guru) said: WEF is a primarily group of big businesses. We
> have seen the increasing danger to the ideals of the WSIS Declaration of
> Principles from the activities of transnational corporations. Apart from
> using/monetising our data for their commercial gains in
> authorised/unauthorised/illegitimate/illegal ways, their unregulated work
> also is structuring our participation in the information society in many
> unhealthy ways. Through Snowden we also understand how many of them are in
> cahoots with the 5 eyes (USG+) on extraordinary programme of global
> surveillance
> >>
> >> If such as strong generalization of big business is to be accepted as
> fair and valid, then all those who subscribe to such a generalization may
> have to go back to the WSIS declarations and summarily exclude Business as
> a Stakeholder group, and then declare that Internet Governance ought to be
> a process with two stakeholder groups - Government + Civil Society. No,
> no, on second thoughts I see your reference to Snowden and USG+, so the
> Civil Society could exclude Government from Internet Governance, and
> declare that Internet Governance must be reinvented as a single stakeholder
> group process, with Civil Society as the only stakeholder group.
> >>
> >> Seriously, if WSIS had committed to build a "people-centred, inclusive
> and development-oriented Information Society", what happens to
> inclusiveness and development with such a position on Big Business?
> >>
> >> And, why this hatred for big business? Most progress in this world has
> happened because of enterprise, much more because of business than because
> of Government. Granted, some of the information technology big businesses
> have worked with Governments on surveillance designs, and even there, we do
> not know how of much of such cooperation came out of a desire for profit
> and how much of it was forced by arm-twisting or by milder pressures in so
> many subtle and imaginative ways.
> >>
> >> Irrespective of how WEF's role has been articulated at the moment, it is
> a very positive development to bring in the WEF. WEF participation
> suddenly expands business participation to a world of business outside the
> IT sector, so WEF's attention to IG issues might by itself act as a
> balancing influence within the corporate world, because many of these Big
> Businesses are Internet "users" themselves. Some of these Big Businesses
> are possibly charitable in unknown ways. What is needed here is strong
> support at the moment, and we could eventually work towards a greater
> balance across stakeholder groups.
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Guru <Guru at itforchange.net> wrote:
> >>> Dear Mawaki
> >>>
> >>> I would like to cite from two sources:
> >>>
> >>> A. WSIS Declaration of Principles -
> http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/official/dop.html (the very first two
> clauses)
> >>>
> >>> 1. We, the representatives of the peoples of the world*, *assembled in
> Geneva from 10-12 December 2003 for the first phase of the World Summit on
> the Information Society,* declare our common desire and commitment to build
> a people-centred, inclusive and development-oriented Information Society,
> where everyone can create, access, utilize and share information and
> knowledge, enabling individuals, communities and peoples to achieve their
> full potential in promoting their sustainable development and improving
> their quality of life, premised on the purposes and principles of the
> Charter of the United Nations and respecting fully and upholding the
> Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
> >>> 2. Our challenge* is to harness the potential of information and
> communication technology to promote the development goals of the Millennium
> Declaration, namely the eradication of extreme poverty and hunger;
> achievement of universal primary education; promotion of gender equality
> and empowerment of women; reduction of child mortality; improvement of
> maternal health; to combat HIV/AIDS, malaria and other diseases; ensuring
> environmental sustainability; and development of global partnerships for
> development for the attainment of a more peaceful, just and prosperous
> world. We also reiterate our commitment to the achievement of sustainable
> development and agreed development goals, as contained in the Johannesburg
> Declaration and Plan of Implementation and the Monterrey Consensus, and
> other outcomes of relevant United Nations Summits.
> >>>
> >>> I now will cite from the WEF site - http://www.weforum.org/our-members
> >>>
> >>> Begin
> >>> Our Members
> >>> The World Economic Forum is a membership organization. Our Members
> comprise 1,000 of the world’s top corporations, global enterprises usually
> with more than US$ 5 billion in turnover. These enterprises rank among the
> top companies within their industry and play a leading role in shaping the
> future of their industry and region. Some of our Member companies join the
> Forum’s Strategic and Industry Partnership communities, which are designed
> to deepen their engagement with the Forum’s events, project and
> initiatives. The Forum’s Members are at the heart of all our activities.
> >>> End
> >>>
> >>> It is clear that WEF is a primarily group of big businesses. We have
> seen the increasing danger to the ideals of the WSIS Declaration of
> Principles from the activities of transnational corporations. Apart from
> using/monetising our data for their commercial gains in
> authorised/unauthorised/illegitimate/illegal ways, their unregulated work
> also is structuring our participation in the information society in many
> unhealthy ways. Through Snowden we also understand how many of them are in
> cahoots with the 5 eyes (USG+) on extraordinary programme of global
> surveillance, which helps them in their goals of political-economic
> domination / colonisation
> >>>
> >>> Participating in forums anchored in such a space will only legitimise
> their power. I am clear that IGC should not participate in the NMI.
> >>>
> >>> thanks and regards
> >>> Guru
> >>>
> >>> Gurumurthy Kasinathan
> >>> Director, IT for Change
> >>> In Special Consultative Status with the United Nations ECOSOC
> >>> www.ITforChange.Net| Cell:91 9845437730 | Tel:91 80 26654134, 26536890
> >>> http://karnatakaeducation.org.in/KOER/en/index.php/Subject_Teacher_Forum
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday 18 November 2014 05:02 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:
> >>> > Dear All,
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> > You must have heard a good deal about this by now, so I won't
> >>> repeat
> >>>
> >>> > the background details. In the middle of the night last
> >>> night, before
> >>>
> >>> > hitting the bed after a long and drawn out day playing
> >>> catch-up with
> >>>
> >>> > deadlines, I saw that Ian (chair of CSCG) forwarded the NMI
> >>>
> >>> > Transitional Committee's reply the CSCG enquiry. Basically,
> >>> they are
> >>>
> >>> > willing to let the CSCG vet CS candidates to be part of the
> >>> NMI
> >>>
> >>> > Coordination Council.
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> > Now the question before us is to get a feel of the membership
> >>> of CSCG
> >>>
> >>> > member entities as to whether to get involved in the NMI
> >>> process or
> >>>
> >>> > not. I believe this is the last step in the consultations
> >>> we've been
> >>>
> >>> > having (with NMI initiators, among ourselves at the CSCG and
> >>> with the
> >>>
> >>> > membership of our respective organizations.) After this we
> >>> should be
> >>>
> >>> > able to give a definite answer, formulate a definite position
> >>> about
> >>>
> >>> > our participation in the NMI process.
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> > So what do you think? Please get right to the point and be
> >>> brief.
> >>>
> >>> > State your preference for IGC Involvement or No involvement
> >>> and, if
> >>>
> >>> > you care to provide us with such, I would be grateful to you
> >>> if you
> >>>
> >>> > could keep your supporting argument in one short paragraph
> >>> (as we
> >>>
> >>> > just want to take the "temperature of the room" if you see
> >>> what I
> >>>
> >>> > mean.)
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> > Thank you for your understanding. Best regards.
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> > Mawaki
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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