[governance] More revelations to come, says Snowden

Fri Mar 21 06:03:07 EDT 2014

In case it escaped your attention, George Lucas explicitly made the empire in Star Wars an allegory for the Nazis, with multiple visual as well as character / place cues.   [for all that it was modeled on kurosawa's the hidden fortress].

The Star Wars weaponry was in fact all converted from condemned WW1 and WW2 weapons (mauser and luger pistols, mg42 machine guns, sten guns ..) which were being used as props at Elstree studios.  The attack on the Death Star was modeled on a movie about the WW 2 dambusters raid.  And then the medal scene is a straight nod to Leni Reifenstahl's Triumf de willens.  There is plenty of material available with a quick google search.

As for hatred, why - I will admit that I hate the poisonous agenda that keeps getting trotted out by some people on this list.  

--srs (iPad)

> On 21-Mar-2014, at 14:02, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
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> What a lovely comment! Could you please stop throwing your hatred to the list readers, dear Mr. Ramasubramian.
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> Just behave.
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> JC
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> PS: Stormtroopers are famous in the Hollywood series "Star Wars". So why do feel entitled to link Guru's "..." to a nazi endorsement. I know that Vint Cerf loves to quote Star Wars all the time - himself quoting Jedi. So I would say this is rather fair game.
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>> Le 21 mars 2014 à 09:15, Suresh Ramasubramanian a écrit :
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>> Stormtroopers eh?   Interesting specialized unit of the Nazi party in WW 2 (the Sturm Abteilung) and before that, shock troops deployed in Imperial Germany around the time of WW 1 (stoßtruppen)
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>> Are you calling the freedom of expression types at wcit nazis, Guru?  
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>> As I recall I got suspended from the list for much the same sort of reference not so long back, and it would be a consummation devoutly to be wished, and a remarkable benefit to the list, for you to be ejected as well.  I would request the co-cos to determine whether this is possible.
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>> --srs (iPad)
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>>> On 21-Mar-2014, at 13:34, Guru गुरु <Guru at ITforChange.net> wrote:
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>>> The WCIT "Freedom of expression storm troopers" should note, "“More communications are being intercepted in America about Americans than there are in Russia about Russians, Mr. Snowden said."
>>> Guru
>>> More revelations to come, says Snowden
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>>> March 20, 2014
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>>> The former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden emerged from his Russian exile Tuesday in the form of a remotely-controlled robot to promise more sensational revelations about U.S. spying programmes.
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>>> Mr. Snowden’s face appeared on a screen as he manoeuvred the wheeled android around a stage at the TED gathering, addressing an audience in Vancouver without ever leaving his secret hideaway.
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>>> “There are absolutely more revelations to come,” he said. “Some of the most important reporting to be done is yet to come.”
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>>> Mr. Snowden, a former National Security Agency contractor who has been charged in the United States with espionage, dismissed the public debate about whether he is a heroic whistleblower or traitor. Instead, he used the conference organised by educational non-profit organisation TED (“Technology Entertainment Design”), to call for people worldwide to fight for privacy and Internet freedom.
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>>> Internet creator Tim Berners-Lee briefly joined Mr. Snowden’s interview with TED curator Chris Anderson, and came down in the hero camp. When Mr. Anderson posed the question to the TED audience — known for famous, innovative, and influential attendees — the idea that Mr. Snowden was a force for good met with applause. “Hero patriot or traitor; I would say I am an American citizen just like anyone else,” Mr. Snowden said. “What really matters here is the kind of government we want; the kind of Internet we want.” He said he was inspired to pass a huge trove of NSA files to reporters when he saw U.S. spying tactics going too far and intruding into the private data of millions of Internet and telephone customers.
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>>> Mr. Snowden argued that if he had gone to the U.S. Congress with his concerns he would have risked being “buried along with the information.” He instead urged the “adversarial press” to challenge government and ignite public debate “without putting national security at risk.” He argued that the dangers critics have played up regarding disclosure of information have not materialised, and insisted that he remains comfortable with his decisions. He depicted the NSA’s Prism programme for getting user information from Internet firms as a way for the U.S. government to “deputise corporate America to do its dirty work.” And he blasted a U.S. secret court for seldom rejecting National Security Agency requests to compel Internet titans to turn over user data and U.S. legislators for showing little oversight.
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>>> Mr. Snowden urged Internet companies to stand up against online snooping by encrypting online activity by default so spies could easily note anything from book browsing at Amazon.com to visiting websites.
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>>> People should be able to book air travel, order books, make phone calls and send text messages without worrying about how it will look to an agent of the government, he declared.
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>>> “More communications are being intercepted in America about Americans than there are in Russia about Russians,” Mr. Snowden said. He argued that the NSA was making the U.S., and the world, less safe by lobbying for weak standards that could open back doors into online venues or services such as online commerce or banking. “Our basic freedoms are not a partisan issue,” he said. “It is up to us to protect them; it is up to us to preserve the open Internet.” Mr. Snowden endorsed the campaign by Berners-Lee for a global Magna Carta laying out values and rights on the Internet. “A Magna Carta for the Internet is exactly what we need,” Mr. Snowden said.
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>>> Mr. Anderson said that the NSA had been invited to take part in the TED chat with Mr. Snowden but it did not work out “for logistical reasons.” — AFP
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>>> SOURCE - http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-international/more-revelations-to-come-says-snowden/article5807667.ece
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