From nb at bollow.ch Mon Jun 30 18:35:30 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 00:35:30 +0200 Subject: [governance] Facebook Does Mind Control In-Reply-To: <53B151F5.5010009@digsys.bg> References: <13e201cf944b$4bd286a0$e37793e0$@gmail.com> <53B151F5.5010009@digsys.bg> Message-ID: <20140701003530.18d0e784@quill> Daniel Kalchev wrote: > On 30.06.14 13:08, michael gurstein wrote: > > But now, with the veil having been lifted for a moment where can/do > > we go with this knowledge? > > There is nothing particular we need to do about it. It will sort out > itself just like any other human society "problem" before that. Some issues need governance action. Others don't. > Just as with having had already certain diseases as child makes you > immune to the same diseases later, so will happen with this "Facebook > mind control". [..] > Sharing knowledge and good practice is how it will all be "solved". In regard to this particular issue, this view that no governance action is needed sounds plausible enough to me. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Sun Jun 1 08:26:29 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:26:29 +0200 Subject: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" (was: Re: [governance] [IP] On Monday EPIC Freedom Awards to Allen, Amash, The Guardian, Snowden + Google right to be forgotten link In-Reply-To: <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> Message-ID: Dear all, dear Norbert, > > This is not the point, Norbert: > > 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this > > competence is for the courts of the member states. > > Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the > fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the > court. > > Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data Protection Directive of 1995 Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression *Member States shall provide for exemptions* or derogations from the provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the processing of personal data carried out solely for journalistic purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression only if they are necessary to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules governing freedom of expression. Translated into understandable English: it is on the member states to specify their own particular perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. One place, where the ECJ underlines this is for instance the Linqvist case (an ECJ case on data protection), cf. answer to question 6 (since the text is very long I'll only insert the link here: http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=48382&doclang=en) > > 2-the ECJ states Art.7 and 8, I quote "override in general" the public > > interest > > I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your > misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time on > repeating that discussion. > > Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a passage or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a repetition. I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't replied to that). I also posed the incompatibilities with other rights. I even gave you a link list of well known scholars like, among many others Zittrain (Harvard), Peers (Essex, UK), Husovec (Max -Planck, Germany), Linskey (London School of Economics), Rigo Wenning (legal counsel, W3C) or Dobusch (Free University Berlin). Happy to hear a concrete argument if you have one. Best regards, Lorena > Greetings, > Norbert > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Sun Jun 1 08:51:45 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:51:45 +0200 Subject: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" (was: Re: [governance] [IP] On Monday EPIC Freedom Awards to Allen, Amash, The Guardian, Snowden + Google right to be forgotten link In-Reply-To: References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> Message-ID: Ups, my last email was incomplete. So once again, here the complete version. Dear all, dear Norbert, > > This is not the point, Norbert: > > 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this > > competence is for the courts of the member states. > > Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the > fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the > court. > > Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data Protection Directive of 1995 Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression *Member States shall provide for exemptions* or derogations from the provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the processing of personal data carried out solely for journalistic purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression only if they are necessary to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules governing freedom of expression. Translated into understandable English: it is on the member states to specify their own particular perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. One place, where the ECJ underlines this is for instance the Linqvist case (an ECJ case on data protection), cf. answer to question 6 (since the text is very long I'll only insert the link here: http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=48382&doclang=en) > > 2-the ECJ states Art.7 and 8, I quote "override in general" the public > > interest > > I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your > misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time on > repeating that discussion. > > Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a passage or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a repetition. I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't replied to that). I also posed the incompatibilities with other rights. I even gave you a link list of well known scholars like, among many others Zittrain (Harvard), Peers (Essex, UK), Husovec (Max -Planck, Germany), Linskey (London School of Economics), Rigo Wenning (legal counsel, W3C) or Dobusch (Free University Berlin) analyzing the court's decission with similar arguments to mine. Happy to hear a concrete argument if you have one. Best regards, Lorena Greetings, Norbert 2014-06-01 14:26 GMT+02:00 Lorena Jaume-Palasi : > Dear all, dear Norbert, > >> > This is not the point, Norbert: >> > 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this >> > competence is for the courts of the member states. >> >> Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the >> fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the >> court. >> >> Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data Protection > Directive of 1995 > > Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression > > *Member States shall provide for exemptions* or derogations from the > provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the processing of > personal data carried out solely for journalistic purposes or the purpose > of artistic or literary expression only if they are necessary to reconcile > the right to privacy with the rules governing freedom of expression. > Translated into understandable English: it is on the member states to > specify their own particular perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ > cannot do that. > One place, where the ECJ underlines this is for instance the Linqvist case > (an ECJ case on data protection), cf. answer to question 6 (since the text > is very long I'll only insert the link here: > http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=48382&doclang=en) > > > > >> > 2-the ECJ states Art.7 and 8, I quote "override in general" the public >> > interest >> >> I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your >> misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time on >> repeating that discussion. >> >> Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a passage > or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU Charter on > Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a repetition. > I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't replied to that). I > also posed the incompatibilities with other rights. > I even gave you a link list of well known scholars like, among many others > Zittrain (Harvard), Peers (Essex, UK), Husovec (Max -Planck, Germany), > Linskey (London School of Economics), Rigo Wenning (legal counsel, W3C) or > Dobusch (Free University Berlin). > Happy to hear a concrete argument if you have one. > Best regards, > Lorena > > >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> > > > > -- > Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance > (GIG) Ohu > Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. > www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter > > ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ > Youtube > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 09:09:31 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 08:09:31 -0500 Subject: [governance] Google's attack on European sovereignty (was Re: Google sets up 'right to be forgotten' form...) In-Reply-To: <20140531114308.110799cc@quill> References: <20140531114308.110799cc@quill> Message-ID: How would you have engineered this differently? You can't blame Google for the Streisand Effect, it was around before they existed. On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Kwasi Boakye-Akyeampong wrote: > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27631001 > [..] >> People keen to get data removed from Google's index must: >> >> - Provide weblinks to the relevant material >> - Name their home country >> - Explain why the links should be removed >> - Supply photo ID to help Google guard against fraudulent >> applications > > It seems that Google hates the ruling enough that they've intentionally > set this up in such a way that it will create a serious risk of a > Streisand Effect when the feature is actually used: > > http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/001077.html > > I expect that it should be a major discussion topic at the EuroDIG that > now such decisions of a US based company, which flow out of the US > perspective on what the boundary line should be between privacy rights > and the rights of companies to disseminate information, seem to have > greater power over Europeans than what is considered fundamental rights > in Europe. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 09:20:51 2014 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:20:51 +0000 Subject: [governance] .WINE .VIN - who's business is it ? In-Reply-To: References: <6192537A-99D9-4BDA-970D-3717905C511E@christopherwilkinson.eu>

Message-ID: Milton, What I found simplistic was not your reasoning about issues of trademarks and domain names, much less your knowledge of that subject, only the very specific argument (even before we enter the trademark zone) that _local laws_ only can resolve issues raised on the global Internet about globally exported/traded goods. Internet is crucial to commerce and _global_ trade (that's just a fact, not my fancy) and that was part of the motivation of the Clinton Administration to kill the IAHC in 1997 and start the process that led to the creation of ICANN, putting the _DoC_ in charge of that process with, later on, the oversight function regarding ICANN, particularly its decisions in relation to the DNS. USG could have let the IAHC process go ahead to form an international independent structure in order to carry out the job IAHC set out to do, and resolve its own concerns using its own local laws as you're now advising any other government to do, but USG didn't. I wonder whether you think the only reason for that was to mid-wife the wonderful multistakeholderism. Now, that preliminary being cleared: 1. Contrary to what you think, I know and agree that domain names are not trademarks (I even thought I was once, no doubt fleetingly compared to your time in the trenches, part of the battle to make this clear.) We are talking about .WINE as a TLD in this case while, to the best of my knowledge, the string 'WINE' as such is not a trademark and there is at this point no discussion for authorizing trademarks directly as TLDs. 2. And before you apply my reasoning to second-level domain names (the ones users register), please let me say this. I wouldn't have had the same reasoning with .COM as I am having with .WINE because the latter is too narrow and seemingly targets a specific industry, not the whole range of commercial entities (IOW, the "generic scope" of one is too narrow while that of the other is broad.) So one may ask, if the reasoning is not meant to apply to all domain names and TLDs, then how is that one can draw the conclusion, based on that reasoning, that I equate domain names to trademarks? 3. I would however apply the same reasoning if we were talking about TLD extensions such as .CAR, .BANK, .FASHION or .SARTORIALACCESSORIES, you name it (and haven't we seen some of that happening already, in one form or the other, like with .BANK?) It is my claim that no matter how many times you repeat what is right about the nature of TLDs and other domain names with regard to trademarks, you will see the same kind of "tractations" (negotiations) taking place whenever ICANN starts discussion about authorizing that kind of TLDs of narrower generic scope obviously linking to a specific industry sector (whether that's the intention or not.) 4. I hear you when you say domain names are strings of characters used as technical identifiers. But that works perfectly well (meaning they are only that) only if you limit them to meaningless strings, such as: .YFGTRPN, .VF97HKS, or .TCHRRRR (although the sound trying to pronounce this may have some insulting meaning in parts of Africa.) 5. So the point I was trying to make is more of a behavioral explanation rather than stating what is right or true, de jure (and much less who is wrong and who is right.) It simply says: _as long as domain names including TLDs are strings that bear meaning to human beings, groups of them (and BTW that's the reason why they can be framed as free speech issue and I have never heard you talk of FoE about IP addresses), then further the meaning narrows down to an industry tag, more chances there are that stakeholders in that industry will seek to introduce some level of ex ante regulation into the related policy being developed_. Would you say that tentative and modest behavioral explanation is completely false? That's what I think anyway, and I think the very nature of ICANN/multistakeholder policy development process invite for that (as a result of people having a stake in the outcome.) EU parties would do this, i.e. seeking ex ante regulation, by leaning on government institutions as they are culturally inclined to, and US parties would do the same sending experienced and well-funded lobbyists directly trying to influence the process by themselves, as they too culturally inclined to do (noting though that USG is already one of the best, if not THE best, working for the interest of its business constituents, which makes sense to me when it comes to international affairs.) But in the end, the objectives are the same with regard to each stakeholder group's interests. 6. Finally, I cannot say much more about the case at hand, for instance, as to whether and the extent to which the European parties are being protectionists, parochial (to use your words), etc. as, like I said before, I don't know the exact terms of what they are asking for, what the legal or enforceable form of safeguards they are seeking would be. As a result, you have not read me saying someone is right or someone is wrong. As a matter of fact, I'm not interested in that but the decision that will actually be made, when it is made, and its rationale. Instead what I said, in summary, is "let's move away from worn out arguments that USG controls ICANN because it has written to the organization to present its argument with regard to an ongoing process or a pending decision" to something that addresses the subject matter. So I welcomed the post referencing ICANN Bylaws as being the proper level for this discussion to take place, IMHO. Please note that even as I recognized the quoted article 4 as being of relevance in this discussion, on the opposite side to the US Assistant Secretary for Commerce and Information (quoting myself below on that), I still didn't intend to decide who's wrong and who's right because that is not my job to do, and I'm still interested in listening to both parties. And I would agree that it [ICANN's Articles of incorporation, #4] is relevant here. So it may well be that USG writes to ICANN to argue a position and still loses the argument in the end (although in this case, it's only a hypothesis at this point and ICANN may face other objections, based on different grounds, which might prove to be even more determinant that the one currently raised by USG.) I look forward to learning more about the issues raised by TLDs of such scope (as I tried to characterize above) with regard to trademarks and freedom of expression, and particularly in this case what exactly the formal outcome might possibly be in order to satisfy the objectives of the European parties with regard to GIs in a .WINE space. Mawaki ================= Mawaki Chango, PhD Founder and Owner DIGILEXIS http://www.digilexis.com Skype: digilexis | Twitter: @digilexis & @pro_digilexis On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > The simplistic interpretation is yours, not mine, Mawaki. > > > > It's funny, when you say this: > > > > >Once your considering authorizing those TLDs, then you're clearly > > >inviting the wine industry (in this example), especially those that > > >export their products _globally_ to seek ways in which nobody else is > > > going to usurp, say, their wine brands, their identities within the wine > > >industry, which happen to be attached to geographical indications, > > >under the _global_ resource and medium that would be the .WINE TLD. > > > > ...you are stuck in the same mentality as the trademark maximalists of 1998. > You think that domain names ARE the same thing as TMs/GIs and that ICANN > should be a global TM/GI regulator. You do not understand the distinction > between allocating unique identifiers with a technical function and ex post > regulation of problems pertaining to their semantics. The distinction is > clear and it's taken noncommercial interests more than a decade, and tons > of political blood, sweat and tears, to establish that distinction, which > is important both for free trade and for freedom of expression. You are on > the wrong side. > > > > Its depressing to see this important debate clouded by silly regional and > personal animosities. Louis Louzin hates ICANN and the US but doesn't seem > to understand that nothing makes ICANN more important, more powerful and > more unaccountable than giving it the power to impose ex ante regulations > on the use of names simply because someone _*might*_ misuse one. I'd > suggest that anyone with sympathy for the GI case review the literature on > intermediary liability and regulation through intermediaries and ask > yourself why all the civil liberties and rights groups are strongly opposed > to that approach. You might also review the chapter on "rights to names" in > Ruling the Root, the same issues are all clearly laid out there, it's > > > > I find it amusing that the reborn "progressive" Louis Pouzin, interested > in JustNet and the little guy, lets his hatred for the US and ICANN make > him side with protectionist economist interests simply because they are > European. Let's grow up, folks. > > > > It's also amusing to see Erick admit that the treaty he wants globally > enforced hasn't been signed by the world's largest economy. And Erick is a > lawyer. Apparently forgot some basic things about jurisdiction and > sovereignty. Perhaps some review of law books is required there, too. > > > > *From:* Mawaki Chango [mailto:kichango at gmail.com] > > Another remark about that quote from MM is that I'm afraid things are > more complicated than the simplistic divide it seems to suggest between the > DNS as global resource and local rules. The trouble is, and perhaps has > always been, that names are not numbers. > > > > > > > > But first, there is something called global trade, of which USG is a world > champion -- and understandably so. Thanks to global trade, many products > such as wines are not just local consumption goods. Many such goods are > demanded around the world, based on their reputation and some other > factors. So this is not just a matter of local rules. Saying that does not > mean I'm advocating for sweeping rules universally protecting one country's > or one company's trademarks as global fortresses. There are still other > rules to be considered, among possible others, off-line rules or principles > of trademark law, etc. A wine that is produced in Western Cape which is > globally exported with a well established reputation in connection with its > geographical provenance is not only subject to Western Cape or South > African rules. As a matter of fact, there are many local fine liquors that > do not make it to the export list due to a whole stack of international > rules and requirements to be met for them to be exported. So those that > make it to the export list are subject to rules beyond local ones. > > > > Secondly, as I was saying, names are not numbers. Once we're talking about > names, we're sooner or later confronted with things/ strings of characters > which (literally) mean a lot to some people, not just as local folklore but > also as a global asset. In a sense, at some point TLDs become something of > a content. I know we often say ICANN shouldn't be regulating content, but > the fact is that because they are names, TLDs may more often than not carry > with them the same kind of challenges that relate to contents. Furthermore, > once you're talking about names, then you might quickly be talking about > identities (as far as human beings are concerned) and the boundaries of > those identities may possibly not coincide with local or national > boundaries. > > > > As long as there is no .WINE or .VIN, etc. TLD, people may register > whatever they want which is available at second level of the DNS (gTLDs and > ccTLDs) and countries may content themselves with regulating domain name > sale/registration within their borders. Once your considering authorizing > those TLDs, then you're clearly inviting the wine industry (in this > example), especially those that export their products _globally_ to seek > ways in which nobody else is going to usurp, say, their wine brands, their > identities within the wine industry, which happen to be attached to > geographical indications, under the _global_ resource and medium that would > be the .WINE TLD. Would anyone seriously expect otherwise? (And let me > quickly add that, as I see it, only within the boundaries of such TLD or > any TLD that unambiguously refers to their industry, they may have claims > to GIs that define their brand or identity in that industry.) > > > > As I said, I'm not a trademark militant, not even an advocate, to be > clear. And I don't think a TLD designating an industry has to be ran > necessarily by an entity whose business is in that industry. But industry > players are entitled to ask that ground rules be established under that > specific industry TLD, which do not mess up with their globally relevant > business or products. > > > > In conclusion, names are not numbers. Internet is not for machines but for > us the people who attach meaning to signs and names. Names (such as in the > DNS) may equate to content, based on what they mean to people and they may > encapsulate whole identities. So rules that are going to be made by ICANN > about those names (including using them as a TLD, to begin with) are > sometimes going to be as challenging as regulating contents, whether we > like it or not. Some of these identities may have, even in the geo-physical > space, a global scope or at least a scope larger than the local and > national scope, in large part thanks to global trade. Therefore, it's clear > that issues and questions will arise which, to be resolved, will need other > rules or agreements beyond national jurisdiction rules. To my > understanding, negotiating some of these new arrangements for the space > that the .WINE TLD would open up is what the European Commission is engaged > in with ICANN (based on what I have read here.) > > > > Mawaki > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Jefsey wrote: > > At 21:57 28/05/2014, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > The EC's idea that it can impose its parochial GI regulations on a > global resource is misguided, and an attempt to assert extraterritorial > jurisdiction. If they want to enforce their _*local*_ rules, let them > regulate sale or consumption of the TLD registrations _*within their own > territory*_ nothing stops them from doing that, they already have that > authority. > > > > Milton, > > I feel that the time is now over for such debates about EC, or anyone > else, copying the US in wanting to impose local global regulations. The US > executive has removed itself from the loop and left the Internet to its > reality of an aggregation of national, sales, regional, trade, local, > private VGNs under the legal jurisdiction of the contracting parties, > stakehodlers and users. > > The business, legal, structural, technical, etc. hysteresis is going to > slowly fade away, most probably with some picks of resurgence: RFC 6852 has > definitly acknowledged the nature of the modern Internet and paradigm: "We > embrace a modern paradigm for standards where the economics of global > markets, fueled by technological advancements, drive global deployment of > standards regardless of their formal status". These standards without > formal status (i.e. by local legal practices) "contribute to the creation > of global communities, benefiting humanity". Prior to being politcal, or > architectural, the fragmentation of the internet comes by its architectural > use influenced by local laws and practices. Because internauts do not > necessarily identify themselves as WASPs. > > You and I share the same catenet, use the same internet, but do not > intersect much our "loglo.nets" (local virtual global networks). > > jfc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sun Jun 1 13:45:39 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 19:45:39 +0200 Subject: [governance] Google's attack on European sovereignty (was Re: Google sets up 'right to be forgotten' form...) In-Reply-To: References: <20140531114308.110799cc@quill> Message-ID: <20140601194539.2913d86e@quill> McTim wrote: > How would you have engineered this differently? By not including in the results for a person's name the explicit information that explicit information that some search results were suppressed. By including information on the suppression instead in the results of a search for the URI that is affected by the "right to be forgotten" based demand. > You can't blame Google for the Streisand Effect, it was around before > they existed. I'm only blaming Google for taking explicit steps aimed at significantly increasing its likelihood. Greetings, Norbert > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > Kwasi Boakye-Akyeampong wrote: > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27631001 > > [..] > >> People keen to get data removed from Google's index must: > >> > >> - Provide weblinks to the relevant material > >> - Name their home country > >> - Explain why the links should be removed > >> - Supply photo ID to help Google guard against fraudulent > >> applications > > > > It seems that Google hates the ruling enough that they've > > intentionally set this up in such a way that it will create a > > serious risk of a Streisand Effect when the feature is actually > > used: > > > > http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/001077.html > > > > I expect that it should be a major discussion topic at the EuroDIG > > that now such decisions of a US based company, which flow out of > > the US perspective on what the boundary line should be between > > privacy rights and the rights of companies to disseminate > > information, seem to have greater power over Europeans than what is > > considered fundamental rights in Europe. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sun Jun 1 14:56:26 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 20:56:26 +0200 Subject: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" (was: Re: [governance] [IP] On Monday EPIC Freedom Awards to Allen, Amash, The Guardian, Snowden + Google right to be forgotten link In-Reply-To: References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> Message-ID: <20140601205626.140da499@quill> Lorena Jaume-Palasi wrote: > > > This is not the point, Norbert: > > > 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this > > > competence is for the courts of the member states. > > > > Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the > > fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the > > court. > > Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data > Protection Directive of 1995 > > Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression > > *Member States shall provide for exemptions* or derogations from the > provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the > processing of personal data carried out solely for journalistic > purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression only if > they are necessary to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules > governing freedom of expression. Translated into understandable > English: it is on the member states to specify their own particular > perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. There are indeed specifics which are up to the member states, and which are therefore not part of what the ECJ is asked to rule on. That however does not exclude Freedom of Expression or anything else that is recognized at the EU level as a fundamental right from consideration in regard to any question that the ECJ is asked to rule on. > > I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your > > misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time > > on repeating that discussion. > > Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a > passage or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU > Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a > repetition. I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't > replied to that). I tried to explain in what way you were misreading it. Obviously I failed in that the explanation did not achieve its intended outcome. I could try again, but for reasons of time constraints my participation in this conversation ends now. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Sun Jun 1 15:11:50 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:11:50 +0200 Subject: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" (was: Re: [governance] [IP] On Monday EPIC Freedom Awards to Allen, Amash, The Guardian, Snowden + Google right to be forgotten link In-Reply-To: <20140601205626.140da499@quill> References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> <20140601205626.140da499@quill> Message-ID: SNIP > > > > This is not the point, Norbert: > > > > 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this > > > > competence is for the courts of the member states. > > > > > > Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the > > > fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the > > > court. > > > > Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data > > Protection Directive of 1995 > > > > Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression > > > > *Member States shall provide for exemptions* or derogations from the > > provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the > > processing of personal data carried out solely for journalistic > > purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression only if > > they are necessary to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules > > governing freedom of expression. Translated into understandable > > English: it is on the member states to specify their own particular > > perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. > > There are indeed specifics which are up to the member states, and > which are therefore not part of what the ECJ is asked to rule on. > > That however does not exclude Freedom of Expression or anything else > that is recognized at the EU level as a fundamental right from > consideration in regard to any question that the ECJ is asked to rule > on. > Again: this article states, that the ECJ cannot ponder on the balance of freedom of expression with privacy. The ECJ confirmed this in the Lindqvist case. This is glass clear. It is a competence of the states. If it was like you say, Art. 9 of the Directive would not make any sense at all! I don't understand the logic of your arguments: on the basis of which law or article are you stating this? You just give statements, but I still haven't seen a single paragraph supporting what you say - and you won't find them. Art. 9 explains why the ECJ doesn't mention Art.11 explicitly and only talks indirecty about it. The basis of the ECJs decision is the Data Protection Directive ONLY. Best Lorena > > > > I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your > > > misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time > > > on repeating that discussion. > > > > Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a > > passage or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU > > Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a > > repetition. I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't > > replied to that). > > I tried to explain in what way you were misreading it. Obviously I > failed in that the explanation did not achieve its intended outcome. > > I could try again, but for reasons of time constraints my participation > in this conversation ends now. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From matthias.kettemann at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 15:19:19 2014 From: matthias.kettemann at gmail.com (Matthias C. Kettemann) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:19:19 +0200 Subject: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" (was: Re: [governance] [IP] On Monday EPIC Freedom Awards to Allen, Amash, The Guardian, Snowden + Google right to be forgotten link In-Reply-To: References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> <20140601205626.140da499@quill> Message-ID: <6716195431593838782@unknownmsgid> Not sure I followed the whole debate, but surely the ECJ rulings are based on EU law, including the FRC. The Court could have and should have discussed FoE. Cheers Matthias Am 01.06.2014 um 21:12 schrieb Lorena Jaume-Palasi : SNIP > > > > This is not the point, Norbert: > > > > 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this > > > > competence is for the courts of the member states. > > > > > > Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the > > > fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the > > > court. > > > > Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data > > Protection Directive of 1995 > > > > Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression > > > > *Member States shall provide for exemptions* or derogations from the > > provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the > > processing of personal data carried out solely for journalistic > > purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression only if > > they are necessary to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules > > governing freedom of expression. Translated into understandable > > English: it is on the member states to specify their own particular > > perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. > > There are indeed specifics which are up to the member states, and > which are therefore not part of what the ECJ is asked to rule on. > > That however does not exclude Freedom of Expression or anything else > that is recognized at the EU level as a fundamental right from > consideration in regard to any question that the ECJ is asked to rule > on. > Again: this article states, that the ECJ cannot ponder on the balance of freedom of expression with privacy. The ECJ confirmed this in the Lindqvist case. This is glass clear. It is a competence of the states. If it was like you say, Art. 9 of the Directive would not make any sense at all! I don't understand the logic of your arguments: on the basis of which law or article are you stating this? You just give statements, but I still haven't seen a single paragraph supporting what you say - and you won't find them. Art. 9 explains why the ECJ doesn't mention Art.11 explicitly and only talks indirecty about it. The basis of the ECJs decision is the Data Protection Directive ONLY. Best Lorena > > > > I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your > > > misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time > > > on repeating that discussion. > > > > Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a > > passage or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU > > Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a > > repetition. I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't > > replied to that). > > I tried to explain in what way you were misreading it. Obviously I > failed in that the explanation did not achieve its intended outcome. > > I could try again, but for reasons of time constraints my participation > in this conversation ends now. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Sun Jun 1 16:13:35 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 22:13:35 +0200 Subject: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" (was: Re: [governance] [IP] On Monday EPIC Freedom Awards to Allen, Amash, The Guardian, Snowden + Google right to be forgotten link In-Reply-To: <6716195431593838782@unknownmsgid> References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> <20140601205626.140da499@quill> <6716195431593838782@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: according to EU Data Protection Directive from 1995 (still valid), they cannot ascertain the balance between privacy and data protection. it is up to the member states. (See art. 9 of the Directive). The ECJ took its decision based on the Directive. It's black and white in the text of the decision. Otherwise please quote corresponding article or para. Cheers Lorena 2014-06-01 21:19 GMT+02:00 Matthias C. Kettemann < matthias.kettemann at gmail.com>: > Not sure I followed the whole debate, but surely the ECJ rulings are based > on EU law, including the FRC. The Court could have and should have > discussed FoE. > > Cheers > Matthias > > > Am 01.06.2014 um 21:12 schrieb Lorena Jaume-Palasi < > lorena at collaboratory.de>: > > SNIP > >> > > > This is not the point, Norbert: >> > > > 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this >> > > > competence is for the courts of the member states. >> > > >> > > Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the >> > > fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the >> > > court. >> > >> > Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data >> > Protection Directive of 1995 >> > >> > Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression >> > >> > *Member States shall provide for exemptions* or derogations from the >> > provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the >> > processing of personal data carried out solely for journalistic >> > purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression only if >> > they are necessary to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules >> > governing freedom of expression. Translated into understandable >> > English: it is on the member states to specify their own particular >> > perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. >> >> There are indeed specifics which are up to the member states, and >> which are therefore not part of what the ECJ is asked to rule on. >> >> That however does not exclude Freedom of Expression or anything else >> that is recognized at the EU level as a fundamental right from >> consideration in regard to any question that the ECJ is asked to rule >> on. >> > > Again: this article states, that the ECJ cannot ponder on the balance of > freedom of expression with privacy. The ECJ confirmed this in the Lindqvist > case. This is glass clear. It is a competence of the states. > If it was like you say, Art. 9 of the Directive would not make any sense > at all! I don't understand the logic of your arguments: > on the basis of which law or article are you stating this? You just give > statements, but I still haven't seen a single paragraph supporting what you > say - and you won't find them. > Art. 9 explains why the ECJ doesn't mention Art.11 explicitly and only > talks indirecty about it. > The basis of the ECJs decision is the Data Protection Directive ONLY. > Best > Lorena > > >> >> > > I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your >> > > misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time >> > > on repeating that discussion. >> > >> > Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a >> > passage or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU >> > Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a >> > repetition. I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't >> > replied to that). >> >> I tried to explain in what way you were misreading it. Obviously I >> failed in that the explanation did not achieve its intended outcome. >> >> I could try again, but for reasons of time constraints my participation >> in this conversation ends now. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance > (GIG) Ohu > Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. > www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter > > ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ > Youtube > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is a short fellowship programme in Brazil, where you will have access to inner circles of internet governance policymaking in Brazil.* *Best,* *Fabro Steibel - ITS * *http://www.itsrio.org/projects/its-global-policy-fellowship-program/ * *Program overview * The Institute of Technology and Society (ITS) invites researchers, graduate and undergraduate students, as well as professionals working with technology policy to apply to its Global Policy Fellowship Program and spend three weeks in Brazil at ITS. Our Global Fellows will have the unique opportunity to work with the team who conceived and developed the landmark “Marco Civil” legislation, a bill protecting fundamental rights, including privacy, net neutrality and freedom of expression, approved as law in Brazil in April 2014. The ITS Fellowship Program will offer the opportunity for those interested in internet and technology policy to deepen their knowledge about the Brazilian technology context. We prepared an intensive 3-week program for our fellows, which include visits to the biggest technology companies operating in Brazil, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee (CGI.br) and visits to São Paulo and Brasília, including representatives from the Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Culture and Congressmen who are advocating for policies related to internet and technology. Fellows will also be expected to present at least one public seminar, organized in partnership with ITS. Suggested topics can include: broadband and access policy, content regulation, copyright and creativity, consumer privacy, open government, government surveillance, data security, data innovation, freedom of expression, democracy and technology and human rights. Fellows will also have the chance to participate in the preparations of one international seminar on the topic of “democracy and technology” that ITS is organizing. *Who should apply?* We are looking for students, researchers, and professionals who are following the debates in the public policy field, and who want to spend part of their summer/winter in Brazil, learning about Internet policy. Students, researchers and professionals from all backgrounds are encouraged to apply. For the selection processes, please send us: • Your complete academic and professional resume, including your Linkedin profile and other online references you want us to consider; • A 1-page personal statement about your motivations to work in Brazil; • A brief work description of your experience with technology policy; • Proposal for a public presentation of your work; • Skills in Portuguese are not required All documents must be sent in one single e-mail message to itsrio at itsrio.org, with the subject “Global Fellows Application” *Our Fellowship Package includes:* - Intensive 3-week program for the fellows - Air tickets to São Paulo and Brasília - Accommodation in São Paulo and Brasília during our visits - Shared office space at our headquarters for three weeks - A visit to a “samba” music club will also be organized, but is not mandatory *Our Fellowship Package does not include:* - International Travelling to and from Brazil; - Accommodation for the three weeks in Rio de Janeiro, where our program takes place. Our team will provide tips and information about how to find accommodation in the city during that time. *Relevant Dates:* Applications deadline: June 24th, 2014 Announcement of fellows by e-mail: June 30th 2014 Fellowship Program will start July 21st, and will finish in August 8th, 2014 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nhklein at gmx.net Mon Jun 2 05:53:02 2014 From: nhklein at gmx.net (Norbert Klein) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:53:02 +0700 Subject: [governance] Re: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" In-Reply-To: <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> Message-ID: <538C497E.9010104@gmx.net> An observer from the sidelines: The Documentation Center of Cambodia (“a Cambodian non-governmental organization whose mission is to research and record the era of Democratic Kampuchea [the 'Khmer Rouge'] for the purposes of memory and justice”) - www.dccam.org – says with every of its postings: Searching for the Truth MEMORY & JUSTICE “...a society cannot know itself if it does not have an accurate memory of its own history.” "The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Cuthbert Faulkner was awarded the 1949 Nobel Prize for Literature The Documentation Center of Cambodia is concerned with /not forgetting/, and the connection between memory and justice. On 1 June 2014 the Center posted the following link without any further comment: The right to be forgotten and the global reach of EU data protection law http://www.concurringopinions.com This quoted article concludes with the following: “In any event, the Court’s lack of concern with the territorial application of the judgment demonstrates an inward-looking attitude that fails to take into account the global nature of the Internet. It also increases the need for enactment of the proposed Regulation, in order to provide some territorial limits to the right to be forgotten.” Food for thought. Norbert Klein Phnom Penh/Cambodia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Mon Jun 2 07:46:39 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lorena_Jaume-Palas=ED?=) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 13:46:39 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] Re: Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" Message-ID: +1 Von Samsung Galaxy Note gesendetNorbert Klein hat geschrieben:An observer from the sidelines: The Documentation Center of Cambodia (“a Cambodian non-governmental organization whose mission is to research and record the era of Democratic Kampuchea [the 'Khmer Rouge'] for the purposes of memory and justice”) - www.dccam.org – says with every of its postings: Searching for the Truth MEMORY & JUSTICE “...a society cannot know itself if it does not have an accurate memory of its own history.” "The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Cuthbert Faulkner was awarded the 1949 Nobel Prize for Literature The Documentation Center of Cambodia is concerned with not forgetting, and the connection between memory and justice. On 1 June 2014 the Center posted the following link without any further comment: The right to be forgotten and the global reach of EU data protection law http://www.concurringopinions.com This quoted article concludes with the following: “In any event, the Court’s lack of concern with the territorial application of the judgment demonstrates an inward-looking attitude that fails to take into account the global nature of the Internet. It also increases the need for enactment of the proposed Regulation, in order to provide some territorial limits to the right to be forgotten.” Food for thought. Norbert Klein Phnom Penh/Cambodia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From george.sadowsky at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 07:55:25 2014 From: george.sadowsky at gmail.com (George Sadowsky) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 07:55:25 -0400 Subject: [governance] Trivial to implement "to be forgotten" In-Reply-To: <538C497E.9010104@gmx.net> References:

<68823BB5-FA6D-40E1-99CB-BADFB52F76CB@istaff.org> <1CF27CB1-2FE8-47E3-9181-AA54F00D3943@istaff.org> <20140531120705.4562c77d@quill> <20140531212704.0404cba7@quill> <538C497E.9010104@gmx.net> <40ED476A-2A83-4D6C-89E5-F76FFBA022E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: precisely. Moreover the right to be forgotten partially implies the right to make the others forget. Making the others forget offline brings a lot of sad, not-democratic examples in history to my mind.. Kind regards Lorena 2014-06-02 13:55 GMT+02:00 George Sadowsky : > Norbert, > > Thank you very much for highlighting a very important aspect of this > discussion. > > The necessity not to forget applies to some of the most cataclysmic events > of the last century. As George Santayana said, "Those who cannot remember > the past are condemned to repeat it." > > Thanks! > > George > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:53 AM, Norbert Klein wrote: > > An observer from the sidelines: > > The Documentation Center of Cambodia (“a Cambodian non-governmental > organization whose mission is to research and record the era of Democratic > Kampuchea [the 'Khmer Rouge'] for the purposes of memory and justice”) - > www.dccam.org – says with every of its postings: > > Searching for the Truth > MEMORY & JUSTICE > > “...a society cannot know itself if it does not have an accurate memory of > its own history.” > > "The past is never dead. It's not even past." > William Cuthbert Faulkner was awarded the 1949 Nobel Prize for Literature > > > The Documentation Center of Cambodia is concerned with *not forgetting*, > and the connection between memory and justice. > > On 1 June 2014 the Center posted the following link without any further > comment: > > The right to be forgotten and the global reach of EU data protection law > http://www.concurringopinions.com > > This quoted article concludes with the following: > > “In any event, the Court’s lack of concern with the territorial > application of the judgment demonstrates an inward-looking attitude that > fails to take into account the global nature of the Internet. It also > increases the need for enactment of the proposed Regulation, in order to > provide some territorial limits to the right to be forgotten.” > > > Food for thought. > > > Norbert Klein > Phnom Penh/Cambodia > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org Thu Jun 5 08:54:31 2014 From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 12:54:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] IFLA at the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) Message-ID: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01D099C6@MFP02.IFLA.lan> [Apologies for cross-posting] Dear Colleagues Next week IFLA will be participating in the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) in Geneva, Switzerland. The WSIS HLE will review the progress made in the implementation of the WSIS outcomes under the mandates of participating agencies, and to take stock of achievements in the last 10 years based on reports of WSIS Stakeholders. The IFLA workshop: On Monday 9 June at 14.30 CET, IFLA is hosting a workshop which will focus on 'Conquering the Digital Divide: How public access to ICTs supports development in the information society'. The workshop will explore how inequalities in access limit the effectiveness of ICTs in addressing social needs. Over the course of WSIS, public access to information and communication rights have remained key issues for the emerging information society. In 2014 the digital divide still exists and even those who are "connected" often suffer from poor-quality and high-cost links. Many simply do not have the economic means to connect to the Internet - particularly those who do not have electricity, and those who, even if they have smart phones, do not have computers or multimedia-capable internet connections. Inequities in access also affect people in developed countries due to limited access to infrastructure, or constraints related to age, economic means and gender. As a result, ensuring that all members of society can benefit equally from access to ICTs, and take part in shaping the interconnected world, will continue to be an important priority over the next decade and more. The workshop will use experiences from governments, businesses and civil society to show how important public access to ICTs is in including people in the information society. In particular it highlights the role that libraries and other community centres can play in bridging the digital divide, and how these institutions can help stakeholders at the local level - including the private sector - to implement national ICT and development policies. Experts in public access from a user, research and policy perspective will reflect on the progress made in the past ten years of WSIS, and audience input will contribute to the identification of elements for a roadmap on the provision of sustainable public access to the Internet. The expert panellists of the session are: * Mrs. Iffat Gill, Activist/Researcher/Worldpulse, Pakistan * Mr. Mike Jensen, Internet Access Specialist, Association of Progressive Communications, South Africa * Mr. Mike Gurstein, Executive Director, Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and Training, Canada * Mr. Abraham Makuza, Rwanda Utilities Regulatory Agency, Rwanda * Mr. John Davies, VP Sales and Marketing, Intel Corporation, United States * TBC You can find more information by: * Reading the brief on Public Access - Supporting Digital Inclusion for All (nb. we are also preparing a new WSIS-focused brief which will be issued next week) * Exploring IFLA's resources on Libraries and Development * Follow @IFLA_ALP and @ifladpa on Twitter Remote participation: If you are not in Geneva, we nevertheless encourage you to engage with the WSIS HLE in general and more specifically with the IFLA workshop. You can do this via remote participation. The WSIS website provides detailed information on how to participate through their remote participation system. We are looking forward to seeing you virtually during the workshop. Best wishes, Stuart Stuart Hamilton Director of Policy and Advocacy International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) P.O. Box 95312 2509 CH The Hague Netherlands 00 31 70 314 0884 Twitter: @ifladpa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at orange.fr Thu Jun 5 09:38:03 2014 From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 15:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] re: [ciresearchers] IFLA at the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) Message-ID: <1907267036.19303.1401975483122.JavaMail.www@wwinf1p24> A very interesting news in relation with Stuart's message : The Peace Prize from the German Librarians Association organization (Friedenspreis des Deutschen Buchhandels) for 2014 is given to Jaron Lanier. See (in german) : http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/kultur/buchhandel-die-preistraeger-der-letzten-jahre,10809150,27354372.html http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buecher/themen/jaron-lanier-erhaelt-den-friedenspreis-12973615.html?printPagedArticle=true#pageIndex_2 IMHO this is a very important and appropriate event that should lead IFLA to inviteing him at Geneva. Up to now, the WSIS organizer ITU, but also UNESCO, were unable (in fact unwilling) to debate on sociological or critical approches in the ICT area. A height of the gap fo this UN global event that claims to debate on "Information Society" ! But not a surprise since the ITU is that far from societal issues .... Let's innovate for this so-called "high level event" that replaces the usual Forum (a quite different formula and not only a semantic issue) and ask IFLA to invite Jaron Lanier to this event. That would give another impetus to the boring ministerial round tables and story telling ICT gurus discussions which the WSIS process is usual to. Best Jean-Louis Fullsack > Message du 05/06/14 14:57 > De : "Stuart Hamilton" > A : "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , "ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net" > Copie à : > Objet : [ciresearchers] IFLA at the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) > > [Apologies for cross-posting] Dear Colleagues Next week IFLA will be participating in the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) in Geneva, Switzerland. The WSIS HLE will review the progress made in the implementation of the WSIS outcomes under the mandates of participating agencies, and to take stock of achievements in the last 10 years based on reports of WSIS Stakeholders. The IFLA workshop: On Monday 9 June at 14.30 CET, IFLA is hosting a workshop which will focus on ‘Conquering the Digital Divide: How public access to ICTs supports development in the information society’. The workshop will explore how inequalities in access limit the effectiveness of ICTs in addressing social needs. Over the course of WSIS, public access to information and communication rights have remained key issues for the emerging information society. In 2014 the digital divide still exists and even those who are “connected” often suffer from poor-quality and high-cost links. Many simply do not have the economic means to connect to the Internet – particularly those who do not have electricity, and those who, even if they have smart phones, do not have computers or multimedia-capable internet connections. Inequities in access also affect people in developed countries due to limited access to infrastructure, or constraints related to age, economic means and gender. As a result, ensuring that all members of society can benefit equally from access to ICTs, and take part in shaping the interconnected world, will continue to be an important priority over the next decade and more. The workshop will use experiences from governments, businesses and civil society to show how important public access to ICTs is in including people in the information society. In particular it highlights the role that libraries and other community centres can play in bridging the digital divide, and how these institutions can help stakeholders at the local level – including the private sector - to implement national ICT and development policies. Experts in public access from a user, research and policy perspective will reflect on the progress made in the past ten years of WSIS, and audience input will contribute to the identification of elements for a roadmap on the provision of sustainable public access to the Internet. The expert panellists of the session are: Mrs. Iffat Gill, Activist/Researcher/Worldpulse, Pakistan Mr. Mike Jensen, Internet Access Specialist, Association of Progressive Communications, South Africa Mr. Mike Gurstein, Executive Director, Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and Training, Canada Mr. Abraham Makuza, Rwanda Utilities Regulatory Agency, Rwanda Mr. John Davies, VP Sales and Marketing, Intel Corporation, United States TBC You can find more information by: Reading the brief on Public Access - Supporting Digital Inclusion for All (nb. we are also preparing a new WSIS-focused brief which will be issued next week) Exploring IFLA’s resources on Libraries and Development Follow @IFLA_ALP and @ifladpa on Twitter Remote participation: If you are not in Geneva, we nevertheless encourage you to engage with the WSIS HLE in general and more specifically with the IFLA workshop. You can do this via remote participation. The WSIS website provides detailed information on how to participate through their remote participation system. We are looking forward to seeing you virtually during the workshop. Best wishes, Stuart Stuart Hamilton Director of Policy and Advocacy International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) P.O. Box 95312 > 2509 CH The Hague > Netherlands 00 31 70 314 0884 Twitter: @ifladpa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Volunteer at http://bit.ly/igfusavolunteer joly posted: "Today Friday June 6 at 2pm EDT the first steering committee planning meeting for the forthcoming Internet Governance Forum USA (IGF-USA) meeting, scheduled for July 16 2014 in Washington DC. Remote participation in the meeting is available via webex. The " [image: IGF-USA] Today *Friday June 6 at 2pm EDT* the first steering committee planning meeting for the forthcoming *Internet Governance Forum USA* (IGF-USA) meeting, scheduled for *July 16 2014* in Washington DC. Remote participation in the meeting is available via webex. The meeting will also be webcast live via the Internet Society Livestream Channel. *What*: IGF-USA Steering Committee Planning Meeting *Where*: Washington DC *When*: Today Friday June 6 2014 at 2pm-4pm EDT | 1800-2000 UTC *Webex*: https://isoc.webex.com/isoc/j.php?MTID=m70dba0a86c215168daeb7cdd0e36f8cf (pass: igfusa) *Phone bridge* : 1-650-479-3208 (US/Canada) | (elsewhere ) — access code:927 984 736 *Webcast*: https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/igf-usa-2014-planning-2 *Twitter*: #igfusa Comment See all comments *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6713 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not you can watch the webcast archive later. > Volunteer at http://bit.ly/igfusavolunteer > > joly posted: "Today Friday June 6 at 2pm EDT the first steering > committee planning meeting for the forthcoming Internet Governance Forum > USA (IGF-USA) meeting, scheduled for July 16 2014 in Washington DC. Remote > participation in the meeting is available via webex. The " > > > [image: IGF-USA] > Today *Friday > June 6 at 2pm EDT* the first steering committee planning meeting for the > forthcoming *Internet Governance Forum USA* (IGF-USA) meeting, scheduled > for *July 16 2014* in Washington DC. Remote participation in the meeting > is available via webex. The meeting will also be webcast live via the > Internet Society Livestream Channel. > > > > *What*: IGF-USA Steering Committee Planning Meeting > *Where*: Washington DC > *When*: Today Friday June 6 2014 at 2pm-4pm EDT | 1800-2000 UTC > *Webex*: > https://isoc.webex.com/isoc/j.php?MTID=m70dba0a86c215168daeb7cdd0e36f8cf > (pass: igfusa) > *Phone bridge* : 1-650-479-3208 (US/Canada) | (elsewhere > ) > — access code:927 984 736 > *Webcast*: > https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/igf-usa-2014-planning-2 > *Twitter*: #igfusa > > > Comment See all comments > > > > > > > *Permalink* > http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6713 > > > > > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com > VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 10:48:16 2014 From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:48:16 +0200 Subject: [governance] re: [ciresearchers] IFLA at the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) In-Reply-To: <1907267036.19303.1401975483122.JavaMail.www@wwinf1p24> References: <1907267036.19303.1401975483122.JavaMail.www@wwinf1p24> Message-ID: <556E0926-8C4D-4FD7-ACFA-E8AEB5324C14@gmail.com> +1 Le 5 juin 2014 à 15:38, Jean-Louis FULLSACK a écrit : > A very interesting news in relation with Stuart's message : > > > > The Peace Prize from the German Librarians Association organization (Friedenspreis des Deutschen Buchhandels) for 2014 is given to Jaron Lanier. > > > See (in german) : > > > > http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/kultur/buchhandel-die-preistraeger-der-letzten-jahre,10809150,27354372.html > > > http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buecher/themen/jaron-lanier-erhaelt-den-friedenspreis-12973615.html?printPagedArticle=true#pageIndex_2 > > > > IMHO this is a very important and appropriate event that should lead IFLA to inviteing him at Geneva. Up to now, the WSIS organizer ITU, but also UNESCO, were unable (in fact unwilling) to debate on sociological or critical approches in the ICT area. A height of the gap fo this UN global event that claims to debate on "Information Society" ! > > > But not a surprise since the ITU is that far from societal issues .... > > > Let's innovate for this so-called "high level event" that replaces the usual Forum (a quite different formula and not only a semantic issue) and ask IFLA to invite Jaron Lanier to this event. That would give another impetus to the boring ministerial round tables and story telling ICT gurus discussions which the WSIS process is usual to. > > > Best > > > Jean-Louis Fullsack > > > > > > Message du 05/06/14 14:57 > > De : "Stuart Hamilton" > > A : "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , "ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net" > > Copie à : > > Objet : [ciresearchers] IFLA at the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) > > > > > [Apologies for cross-posting] > > Dear Colleagues > > Next week IFLA will be participating in the World Summit for the Information Society (WSIS) High Level Event (HLE) in Geneva, Switzerland. The WSIS HLE will review the progress made in the implementation of the WSIS outcomes under the mandates of participating agencies, and to take stock of achievements in the last 10 years based on reports of WSIS Stakeholders. > > The IFLA workshop: > On Monday 9 June at 14.30 CET, IFLA is hosting a workshop which will focus on ‘Conquering the Digital Divide: How public access to ICTs supports development in the information society’. > > The workshop will explore how inequalities in access limit the effectiveness of ICTs in addressing social needs. Over the course of WSIS, public access to information and communication rights have remained key issues for the emerging information society. In 2014 the digital divide still exists and even those who are “connected” often suffer from poor-quality and high-cost links. Many simply do not have the economic means to connect to the Internet – particularly those who do not have electricity, and those who, even if they have smart phones, do not have computers or multimedia-capable internet connections. Inequities in access also affect people in developed countries due to limited access to infrastructure, or constraints related to age, economic means and gender. As a result, ensuring that all members of society can benefit equally from access to ICTs, and take part in shaping the interconnected world, will continue to be an important priority over the next decade and more. > > The workshop will use experiences from governments, businesses and civil society to show how important public access to ICTs is in including people in the information society. In particular it highlights the role that libraries and other community centres can play in bridging the digital divide, and how these institutions can help stakeholders at the local level – including the private sector - to implement national ICT and development policies. Experts in public access from a user, research and policy perspective will reflect on the progress made in the past ten years of WSIS, and audience input will contribute to the identification of elements for a roadmap on the provision of sustainable public access to the Internet. > > The expert panellists of the session are: > Mrs. Iffat Gill, Activist/Researcher/Worldpulse, Pakistan > Mr. Mike Jensen, Internet Access Specialist, Association of Progressive Communications, South Africa > Mr. Mike Gurstein, Executive Director, Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and Training, Canada > Mr. Abraham Makuza, Rwanda Utilities Regulatory Agency, Rwanda > Mr. John Davies, VP Sales and Marketing, Intel Corporation, United States > TBC > > You can find more information by: > Reading the brief on Public Access - Supporting Digital Inclusion for All (nb. we are also preparing a new WSIS-focused brief which will be issued next week) > Exploring IFLA’s resources on Libraries and Development > Follow @IFLA_ALP and @ifladpa on Twitter > > Remote participation: > If you are not in Geneva, we nevertheless encourage you to engage with the WSIS HLE in general and more specifically with the IFLA workshop. You can do this via remote participation. > The WSIS website provides detailed information on how to participate through their remote participation system. > We are looking forward to seeing you virtually during the workshop. > > Best wishes, > > Stuart > > > Stuart Hamilton > Director of Policy and Advocacy > International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) > P.O. Box 95312 > > 2509 CH The Hague > > Netherlands > > 00 31 70 314 0884 > > Twitter: @ifladpa > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greetings, Norbert On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:49:04 +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2014 23:11:00 +0900, Adam Peake > wrote: > >> He spoke against an agreed and very longstanding civil society > >> position, one that was affirmed only last week. > >> > >> He should retract his statement. > > On Fri, 2 May 2014 18:08:14 +0200, I replied: > > Please provide a link or links with detailed information on > > 1) what you claim was affirmed last week, and on > > 2) through what process it was affirmed. > > > Adam, > > I'm still waiting for the essential specific information on the > claimed affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil society > position”. > > Greetings, > Norbert > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lucabelli at hotmail.it Sun Jun 8 11:28:22 2014 From: lucabelli at hotmail.it (Luca Belli) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 17:28:22 +0200 Subject: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" Message-ID: Dear all (apologies for crossposting), As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms” that will take place on Thursday 12 June, from 14:30 to 16:00, in the Adenauer Room of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, 10117 Berlin. 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Warm regards, Lorena Am 08.06.2014 17:29 schrieb "Luca Belli" : > Dear all (apologies for crossposting), > > > As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to > invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from > Networks to Platforms > ” that > will take place on *Thursday 12 June*, *from 14:30 to 16:00*, in the *Adenauer > Room* of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, > 10117 Berlin. > > > Both onsite and remote participation > is > encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming and > participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual rooms. > > > > I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. > > All the best, > > Luca > > > Luca Belli > > * * > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Luca Luca Belli Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 17:59:04 +0200 Subject: Re: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" From: lorena at collaboratory.de To: lucabelli at hotmail.it; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Hi Luca, When do u arrive to Berlin? Warm regards, Lorena Am 08.06.2014 17:29 schrieb "Luca Belli" : Dear all (apologies for crossposting), As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms” that will take place on Thursday 12 June, from 14:30 to 16:00, in the Adenauer Room of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, 10117 Berlin. Both onsite and remote participation is encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming and participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual rooms. I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. All the best, Luca Luca Belli ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wjdrake at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 03:11:21 2014 From: wjdrake at gmail.com (William Drake) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 09:11:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Final Reminder Re: Roles and Responsibilities - CSTD working group on enhanced cooperation In-Reply-To: <20140608165403.7f1c3d6f@quill> References: <7A2E4505-2C22-499C-9194-64CA7F72E147@glocom.ac.jp> <20140502154237.5539ac8c@quill> <20140516124904.19ed7147@quill> <20140608165403.7f1c3d6f@quill> Message-ID: Hi Norbert The transcripts of the WGEC meetings are online (courtesy, if memory serves, of ICANN). http://unctad.org/en/Pages/CSTD/WGEC.aspx Rather than assuming something, one could check the record. Best Bill On Jun 8, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > This is my final reminder on this issue... if still no specific > information will be brought forth, I'm going to assume that the claimed > affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil society position” > in fact did not happen. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:49:04 +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> On Fri, 2 May 2014 23:11:00 +0900, Adam Peake >> wrote: >>>> He spoke against an agreed and very longstanding civil society >>>> position, one that was affirmed only last week. >>>> >>>> He should retract his statement. >> >> On Fri, 2 May 2014 18:08:14 +0200, I replied: >>> Please provide a link or links with detailed information on >>> 1) what you claim was affirmed last week, and on >>> 2) through what process it was affirmed. >> >> >> Adam, >> >> I'm still waiting for the essential specific information on the >> claimed affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil society >> position”. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits *********************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake at uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com (lists), www.williamdrake.org *********************************************** -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon Jun 9 05:13:17 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 11:13:17 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Final Reminder Re: Roles and Responsibilities - CSTD working group on enhanced cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <7A2E4505-2C22-499C-9194-64CA7F72E147@glocom.ac.jp> <20140502154237.5539ac8c@quill> <20140516124904.19ed7147@quill> <20140608165403.7f1c3d6f@quill> Message-ID: <20140609111317.4a822066@swan.bollow.ch> William Drake wrote: > The transcripts of the WGEC meetings are online (courtesy, if memory > serves, of ICANN). http://unctad.org/en/Pages/CSTD/WGEC.aspx Rather > than assuming something, one could check the record. As soon as there is evidence of the specifics of Adam's claimed affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil society position”, which act of affirmation according to him took place during the week that on May 2 was “last week”, I will indeed be interested in checking Parminder's statements according to the WGEC transcript to find out how they differ or conform to the content of the claimed civil society affirmation. Right now I'm still waiting for any specific information on that claimed affirmation. Greetings, Norbert > On Jun 8, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > This is my final reminder on this issue... if still no specific > > information will be brought forth, I'm going to assume that the > > claimed affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil > > society position” in fact did not happen. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:49:04 +0200, Norbert Bollow > > wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 2 May 2014 23:11:00 +0900, Adam Peake > >> wrote: > >>>> He spoke against an agreed and very longstanding civil society > >>>> position, one that was affirmed only last week. > >>>> > >>>> He should retract his statement. > >> > >> On Fri, 2 May 2014 18:08:14 +0200, I replied: > >>> Please provide a link or links with detailed information on > >>> 1) what you claim was affirmed last week, and on > >>> 2) through what process it was affirmed. > >> > >> > >> Adam, > >> > >> I'm still waiting for the essential specific information on the > >> claimed affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil > >> society position”. > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Norbert > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > *********************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, > ICANN, www.ncuc.org > william.drake at uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com (lists), > www.williamdrake.org > *********************************************** > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr Mon Jun 9 05:37:32 2014 From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 11:37:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1665398497.5755.1402306652502.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c09> bonjour Luca and all Congratulations for the highly relevant theme of this workshop ! I envy those happy ones who'll participate ... Is there a document available for presenting the major talking points of this workshop, or will there be a report a report on the discussions and contributions of the participants ? Best greetings Jean-Louis Fullsack > Message du 08/06/14 17:29 > De : "Luca Belli" > A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" > Copie à : > Objet : [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" > > Dear all (apologies for crossposting), > > As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms” that will take place on Thursday 12 June, from 14:30 to 16:00, in the Adenauer Room of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, 10117 Berlin. > Both onsite and remote participation is encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming and participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual rooms. > I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. All the best, Luca > > Luca Belli > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lucabelli at hotmail.it Mon Jun 9 09:42:14 2014 From: lucabelli at hotmail.it (Luca Belli) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 15:42:14 +0200 Subject: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" In-Reply-To: <1665398497.5755.1402306652502.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c09> References: ,<1665398497.5755.1402306652502.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c09> Message-ID: Bonjour Jean-Louis and all, Thanks a lot for the congratulations! By all means you are most welcome to participate remotely. Below the main issues that will be explored during the workshop: The importance of network neutrality to promote and protect media freedom and pluralism European ongoing debates: (i) EU Telecom Single Market Proposal (ii); Council of Europe Draft Recommendation on Network Neutrality Prioritisation and specialised services: what is their impact on the Open Internet? Platform neutrality and “new” gatekeepers: can platforms be “neutral”? Is there a need for platform regulation? Can such regulation strengthen freedom of expression? Or would it rather reinforce (private) censorship? A brief report as well as the workshop transcripts will be released after the EuroDIG. The report will contain some forward-looking bullet-points to be included into the “Messages from Berlin” document. Une très bonne journée à tous and all the best, Luca Luca Belli Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 11:37:32 +0200 From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; lucabelli at hotmail.it Subject: re: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" bonjour Luca and all Congratulations for the highly relevant theme of this workshop ! I envy those happy ones who'll participate ... Is there a document available for presenting the major talking points of this workshop, or will there be a report a report on the discussions and contributions of the participants ? Best greetings Jean-Louis Fullsack > Message du 08/06/14 17:29 > De : "Luca Belli" > A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" > Copie à : > Objet : [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" > > Dear all (apologies for crossposting), > > As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms” that will take place on Thursday 12 June, from 14:30 to 16:00, in the Adenauer Room of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, 10117 Berlin. > Both onsite and remote participation is encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming and participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual rooms. > I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. All the best, Luca > > Luca Belli > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Mon Jun 9 11:43:14 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:13:14 +0530 Subject: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5395D612.2020602@itforchange.net> On Sunday 08 June 2014 08:58 PM, Luca Belli wrote: > > Dear all (apologies for crossposting), > > > As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like > to invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: > from Networks to Platforms > ” > As already discussed with you, Just Net Coalition has sought Internet's neutrality across different layers and called it platform neutrality.... to quote the Principle 9 of the Delhi Declaration http://justnetcoalition.org/delhi-declaration /*"Net neutrality, and similar 'platform neutrality' in higher layers of the Internet*/, must be enforced so as to preserve online diversity and to prevent monopolies in either content or in the provision of essential public services, in mobile as well as fixed network architectures. " parminder > that will take place on *Thursday 12 June*, *from 14:30 to 16:00*, in > the *Adenauer Room* of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, > Werderscher Markt 1, 10117 Berlin. > > > Both onsite and remote participation > > is encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming > and participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual > rooms. > > > I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. > > All the best, > > Luca > > > > Luca Belli > // > // > / > / -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Mon Jun 9 11:54:31 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 00:54:31 +0900 Subject: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" In-Reply-To: References: <1665398497.5755.1402306652502.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c09> Message-ID: Hi Luca, perhaps relevant to the 2nd agenda item, expect you've seen final text of Council's presidency progress report http://register.consilium.europa.eu/content/out?lang=EN&typ=ENTRY&i=ADV&DOC_ID=ST%2010109%202014%20INIT Looks like a great session. Adam On Monday, June 9, 2014, Luca Belli wrote: > Bonjour Jean-Louis and all, > > > Thanks a lot for the congratulations! By all means you are most welcome > to participate remotely. > > > Below the main issues that will be explored during the workshop: > > - The importance of network neutrality to promote and protect media > freedom and pluralism > - European ongoing debates: (i) EU Telecom Single Market Proposal > (ii); Council of Europe Draft Recommendation on Network Neutrality > - Prioritisation and specialised services: what is their impact on the > Open Internet? > - Platform neutrality and “new” gatekeepers: can platforms be > “neutral”? > - Is there a need for platform regulation? Can such regulation > strengthen freedom of expression? Or would it rather reinforce (private) > censorship? > > > A brief report as well as the workshop transcripts will be released after > the EuroDIG. The report will contain some forward-looking bullet-points to > be included into the “Messages from Berlin” document. > > > Une très bonne journée à tous and all the best, > > Luca > > Luca Belli > > > > bonjour Luca and all > > Congratulations for the highly relevant theme of this workshop ! I envy > those happy ones who'll participate ... > > Is there a document available for presenting the major talking points of > this workshop, or will there be a report a report on the discussions and > contributions of the participants ? > > > Best greetings > > > Jean-Louis Fullsack > > > > > > > > > > Message du 08/06/14 17:29 > > De : "Luca Belli" > > A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org > " > > Copie à : > > Objet : [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT > value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" > > > > > > Dear all (apologies for crossposting), > > > > > > > > As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to > invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from > Networks to Platforms > ” that > will take place on *Thursday 12 June*, *from 14:30 to 16:00*, in the *Adenauer > Room* of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, > 10117 Berlin. > > > > > > Both onsite and remote participation > is > encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming and > participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual rooms. > > > > > > > I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. > > All the best, > > Luca > > > > > Luca Belli > > > *> * > > *> * > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Mon Jun 9 12:19:11 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:19:11 +0200 Subject: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" In-Reply-To: <1665398497.5755.1402306652502.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c09> References: <1665398497.5755.1402306652502.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c09> Message-ID: Hi all, yes, yes and yes :) There is remote participation, a wiki and there will be a rapporteur for the session. http://www.eurodig.org/wiki/Legal_frameworks_on_Net-Neutrality Warm regards, Lorena 2014-06-09 11:37 GMT+02:00 : > > > bonjour Luca and all > > > > Congratulations for the highly relevant theme of this workshop ! I envy > those happy ones who'll participate ... > > > > Is there a document available for presenting the major talking points of > this workshop, or will there be a report a report on the discussions and > contributions of the participants ? > > > Best greetings > > > Jean-Louis Fullsack > > > > > > > > > > Message du 08/06/14 17:29 > > De : "Luca Belli" > > A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" > > Copie à : > > Objet : [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT > value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" > > > > > > > Dear all (apologies for crossposting), > > > > > > > > As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to > invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from > Networks to Platforms > ” that > will take place on *Thursday 12 June*, *from 14:30 to 16:00*, in the *Adenauer > Room* of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, > 10117 Berlin. > > > > > > Both onsite and remote participation > is > encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming and > participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual rooms. > > > > > > > I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. > > All the best, > > Luca > > > > > Luca Belli > > > *> * > > *> * > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lucabelli at hotmail.it Mon Jun 9 18:53:42 2014 From: lucabelli at hotmail.it (Luca Belli) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 00:53:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" In-Reply-To: References: ,<1665398497.5755.1402306652502.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c09>,, Message-ID: Dear Adam and Parminder, Thanks for the references: they will be included in the workshop agenda. Best, Luca Luca Belli Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 00:54:31 +0900 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; lucabelli at hotmail.it CC: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" Hi Luca, perhaps relevant to the 2nd agenda item, expect you've seen final text of Council's presidency progress report http://register.consilium.europa.eu/content/out?lang=EN&typ=ENTRY&i=ADV&DOC_ID=ST%2010109%202014%20INIT Looks like a great session. Adam On Monday, June 9, 2014, Luca Belli wrote: Bonjour Jean-Louis and all, Thanks a lot for the congratulations! By all means you are most welcome to participate remotely. Below the main issues that will be explored during the workshop: The importance of network neutrality to promote and protect media freedom and pluralism European ongoing debates: (i) EU Telecom Single Market Proposal (ii); Council of Europe Draft Recommendation on Network Neutrality Prioritisation and specialised services: what is their impact on the Open Internet? Platform neutrality and “new” gatekeepers: can platforms be “neutral”? Is there a need for platform regulation? Can such regulation strengthen freedom of expression? Or would it rather reinforce (private) censorship? A brief report as well as the workshop transcripts will be released after the EuroDIG. The report will contain some forward-looking bullet-points to be included into the “Messages from Berlin” document. Une très bonne journée à tous and all the best, Luca Luca Belli bonjour Luca and all Congratulations for the highly relevant theme of this workshop ! I envy those happy ones who'll participate ... Is there a document available for presenting the major talking points of this workshop, or will there be a report a report on the discussions and contributions of the participants ? Best greetings Jean-Louis Fullsack > Message du 08/06/14 17:29 > De : "Luca Belli" > A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" > Copie à : > Objet : [governance] EuroDIG Workshop "Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms" > > Dear all (apologies for crossposting), > > As the EuroDIG is approaching, I would like to invite you to workshop 3 “Neutrality across the ICT value-chain: from Networks to Platforms” that will take place on Thursday 12 June, from 14:30 to 16:00, in the Adenauer Room of the Federal Foreign Office of Germany, Werderscher Markt 1, 10117 Berlin. > Both onsite and remote participation is encouraged. Please note that, in order to watch the video streaming and participate remotely, you will need to connect to WebEX virtual rooms. > I look forward to seeing you in Berlin. All the best, Luca > > Luca Belli > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Mon Jun 9 21:45:08 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:45:08 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Final Reminder Re: Roles and Responsibilities - CSTD working group on enhanced cooperation In-Reply-To: <20140608165403.7f1c3d6f@quill> References: <7A2E4505-2C22-499C-9194-64CA7F72E147@glocom.ac.jp> <20140502154237.5539ac8c@quill> <20140516124904.19ed7147@quill> <20140608165403.7f1c3d6f@quill> Message-ID: <409E2D43-D006-4DA5-BC85-595E0AB931EB@glocom.ac.jp> On Jun 8, 2014, at 11:54 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > This is my final reminder on this issue... if still no specific > information will be brought forth, I'm going to assume that the claimed > affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil society position” > in fact did not happen. > Of course it happened. see underlying values. Notes of the pre-meeting provide more detail (online.) Note, CS representative from the mic during NETmundial made comments along the same lines, refer to meeting transcripts. This position was reflected in one section of the NETmundial outcome document. During CSTD Avri made very similar comments, correctly stating CS position. Parminder then contradicted, reversing years of established CS position, and agreement a few days before in Sao Paulo. History of CS rejection of Tunis Agenda para 35, Geneva Decalaration para 49 clearly documented, beyond any doubt. Sorry to bother everyone with this. Context Norbert deleted copied below. Adam > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Adam Peake >> Date: May 2, 2014 11:11:00 PM GMT+09:00 >> To: Norbert Bollow >> Cc: parminder , "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , "governance at lists.igcaucus.org IGC" >> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Roles and Responsibilities - CSTD working group on enhanced cooperation >> >> Norbert thanks, however: >> >> On May 2, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>> TA art. 35 is very very imperfect for a variety of reasons. >>> >> >> Correct. >> >>> It also was dangerous ten years ago in ways which are not a real danger >>> today. >>> >> >> Absolutely not correct, follow the proceedings of the ongoing CSTD working group and it is very clear the positions of many governments have not changed since Geneva in 2003 -- allies in Parminder's position include Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. >> >> These days they even deny basic gender rights. >> >> >>> Today it is IMO an immediate and concrete danger that carelessly >>> designed (and thereby non-democratic) multistakeholder public policy >>> processes could give big business the power to effectively undermine >>> the human right of the peoples to democratic self-determination. >>> >>> In the relevant international human rights treaty, the ICCPR, the legal >>> construct through which this human right is established is via the >>> public policy role of states: First it is declared that the peoples >>> have a right to self-determination, and later in the document the >>> right to democratic processes is established. >>> >>> I am not asserting that this state-based model is the only possible >>> model of democracy, but it is what we have. I certainly don't want to >>> forsake it before a proven alternative is available. >>> >>> Until then I will support TA art. 35 with its privileging of states. >>> From my perspective there is no need for Parminder to retract anything. >>> >> >> >> He spoke against an agreed and very longstanding civil society position, one that was affirmed only last week. >> >> He should retract his statement. >> >> People who wish to represent civil society should not be siding with "totally non-democratic states" on such fundamental issues. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >>> I agree of course that there are currently very real problems almost >>> every time that states try to get involved in a privileged role as >>> states in Internet governance. And I'm not talking just about the >>> various examples of totally non-democratic states here. >>> >>> I propose to address these problems by means of measures such as those >>> proposed on http://wisdomtaskforce.org/ >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>> Am Fri, 2 May 2014 21:58:47 +0900 >>> schrieb Adam Peake : >>> >>>> Dear Parminder, >>>> >>>> To the best of my knowledge, no civil society entity has supported >>>> paragraph 35 of the Tunis Agenda (paragraph 49 Geneva Declaration of >>>> Principles.) It was the position of the Civil Society Plenary in >>>> Tunis that this language was unacceptable. To the best of my >>>> knowledge this position has not changed. As recently as last week in >>>> Sao Paulo it was a matter that unified civil society: clearly we >>>> oppose paragraph 35. >>>> >>>> So it was very surprising to read that you, as a representative of >>>> civil society on the CSTD working group on enhanced cooperation >>>> should support this language, and in doing so associate yourself with >>>> business, Iran, Saudi Arabia, among others. >>>> >>>> Please retract your comment supporting the Tunis Agenda text on roles >>>> and responsibilities as copied below from the transcript. You have >>>> time to do so before the WG finishes its meeting later today. >>>> Paragraph 35 of the Tunis Agenda also below. >>>> >>>> Please act immediately. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> >>>>>> PARMINDER JEET SINGH: THANK YOU, CHAIR. MY COMMENTS GO IN THE SAME >>>>>> DIRECTION AS THE SPEAKER PREVIOUS TO ME, MARILYN, THAT IT SHOULD BE >>>>>> RETAINED, THIS PARTICULAR PHRASE OF OUR RESPECTIVE ROLES AND >>>>>> RESPONSIBILITIES AND TO JUSTIFY IT, I MAY ADD THAT THE TUNIS AGENDA >>>>>> TALKS ABOUT THESE ROLES SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF PUBLIC >>>>>> POLICY MAKING AND NOT GENERALLY IN VARIOUS OTHER SOCIAL ENTERPRISES >>>>>> AND ACTIVITIES ALL OF US GET INVOLVED IN. AND THIS PARAGRAPH ALSO >>>>>> ENDS IN IMPLEMENTATION OF ENHANCED COOPERATION WHICH IN MY AND MANY >>>>>> PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING IS SPECIFICALLY ONLY ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY >>>>>> MAKING. >>>> IT IS IN THIS REGARD, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, I HAVE CLARITY ABOUT WHAT >>>> IS THE ROLE OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS BEING QUITE DIFFERENT TO ONE >>>> ANOTHER AND I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT NON-GOVERNMENTAL ACTORS WOULD >>>> HAVE THE SAME ROLE IN DECISION-MAKING MAKING THAN GOVERNMENTAL >>>> ACTORS. THAT SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE AT A GLOBAL LEVEL. THERE IS A >>>> REASON FOR US TO INSIST ON IT BECAUSE I REMEMBER IN THE SECOND >>>> MEETING, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT PEOPLE ASKING FOR >>>> EQUAL ROLES AND ASKED WHETHER THEY REALLY ARE SEEKING AN EQUAL ROLE >>>> IN PUBLIC POLICY MAKING. I ASKED IT FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR >>>> REPRESENTATIVE WHO THEN RESPONDED TO SAID I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE >>>> PRIVATE SECTOR AND THEY SAY, YES, WE WANT TO AN EQUAL FOOTING OF >>>> DECISION-MAKING. THIS IS PART OF THE MEETING. IT IS THIS PART OF >>>> DEMOCRACY WHICH HAS ACUTELY BOTHERED US. I HAVE SAID THIS EARLIER. >>>> BUT I INSIST TO SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THERE ARES INENCE ON -- THEIR >>>> INSISTENCE ON ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES COMES BACK AND AGAIN. FOR ME >>>> THAT IS IMPORTANT AND WE WOULD LIKE THAT PHRASE TO BE RETAINED. THANK >>>> YOU. >>>>>> CHAIR MAJOR: THANK YOU, PARMINDER. >>>> >>>> Tunis Agenda >>>> >>>> 35. We reaffirm that the management of the Internet encompasses both >>>> technical and public policy issues and should involve all >>>> stakeholders and relevant intergovernmental and international >>>> organizations. In this respect it is recognized that: a) Policy >>>> authority for Internet-related public policy issues is the sovereign >>>> right of States. They have rights and responsibilities for >>>> international Internet-related public policy issues. b) The private >>>> sector has had, and should continue to have, an important role in the >>>> development of the Internet, both in the technical and economic >>>> fields. c) Civil society has also played an important role on >>>> Internet matters, especially at community level, and should continue >>>> to play such a role. d) Intergovernmental organizations have had, and >>>> should continue to have, a facilitating role in the coordination of >>>> Internet-related public policy issues. e) International organizations >>>> have also had and should continue to have an important role in the >>>> development of Internet-related technical standards and relevant >>>> policies. >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:49:04 +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> On Fri, 2 May 2014 23:11:00 +0900, Adam Peake >> wrote: >>>> He spoke against an agreed and very longstanding civil society >>>> position, one that was affirmed only last week. >>>> >>>> He should retract his statement. >> >> On Fri, 2 May 2014 18:08:14 +0200, I replied: >>> Please provide a link or links with detailed information on >>> 1) what you claim was affirmed last week, and on >>> 2) through what process it was affirmed. >> >> >> Adam, >> >> I'm still waiting for the essential specific information on the >> claimed affirmation of “an agreed and very longstanding civil society >> position”. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From geetha at cis-india.org Tue Jun 10 08:52:18 2014 From: geetha at cis-india.org (Geetha Hariharan) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:52:18 +0200 Subject: [governance] CIS contribution to enhancing ICANN accountability Message-ID: <5396FF82.6020401@cis-india.org> Dear all, Please find attached Centre for Internet and Society's comments on enhancing ICANN accountability. 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As noted there are plentiful options for remote participation. joly posted: "The 7th annual Pan-European dialogue on Internet governance (EuroDIG) is underway in Berlin, Germany today Thursday June 12 2014 and tomorrow Friday June 13 2014. This year's theme is Digital society at stake – Europe and the future of the Internet. EuroD" New post on *ISOC-NY NOTICE BOARD* [image: eurodig]The 7th annual *Pan-European dialogue on Internet governance* (EuroDIG) is underway in Berlin, Germany today Thursday June 12 2014 and tomorrow Friday June 13 2014. This year's theme is *Digital society at stake – Europe and the future of the Internet*. EuroDIG is an open platform for informal and inclusive discussion and exchange on public policy issues related to Internet Governance (IG) between stakeholders from all over Europe. Comprehensive remote participation is available, by watching webcast of the plenaries, listening to audio casts from the meeting rooms (webex), by viewing the PPT presentations from the speakers, and by reading real-time closed captioning. Please note that individual workshops have their own twitter hashtags. *What*: Eurodig 2014 *Where*: Berlin, Germany *When*: Thursday June 12 2014 - Friday June 13 2014 *Program*: http://www.eurodig.org/eurodig-2014/programme-overview *Webcast*: https://www.blitzvideoserver.de/player.html?serverip=62.113.210.6&serverapp=kuchemKonferenzTechnik-live&streamname=livestream&live=1&autostart=1 *Remote Participation*: http://www.eurodig.org/eurodig-2012/information/remote-participation *Twitter*: #eurodig Comment See all comments *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6735 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This briefing is a chance to get a head start on what will be the hot topics, and stands in its own right as an all round oiverview of ICANN policy developments. joly posted: "At 3pm EDT today Thursday June 12 2014 ICANN will present a Pre-ICANN 50 Policy Update Webinar. The Pre-ICANN 50 Policy Update Webinar session will provide a 90 minute ICANN-wide overview of policy development activities. Updates will also be provided on " New post on *ISOC-NY NOTICE BOARD* [image: ICANN Adobe Connect]At *3pm* EDT today *Thursday June 12 2014* ICANN will present a *Pre-ICANN 50 Policy Update Webinar *. The Pre-ICANN 50 Policy Update Webinar session will provide a 90 minute ICANN-wide overview of policy development activities. Updates will also be provided on activities of the Supporting Organizations (ASO, ccNSO, and GNSO) and on the progress of policy advice efforts of the Advisory Committees (ALAC, GAC, RSSAC, and SSAC). The Pre-ICANN 50 Policy Update Webinar sessions will provide an overview of policy development activities across ICANN. Updates will also be provided on activities of the Supporting Organizations - the *Address Supporting Organization* (ASO),* Country Code Names Supporting Organization *(ccNSO), and *Generic Names Supporting Organization* (GNSO); and on the progress of policy advice efforts of the Advisory Committees - *At-Large Advisory Committee* (ALAC), *Governmental Advisory Committee* (GAC), *Security and Stability Advisory Committee* (SSAC), and *Security and Stability Advisory Committee *(SSAC). Topics will include: - .ASO and RIR Updates - Curative Rights for IGO/INGOs - Data and Metrics for Policy Making - Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy Part D - Policy and Implementation - Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues - Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information - Framework of Interpretation Final Report - ALAC Policy Advice Activities - ATLAS II Overview - High-Level Governmental Meeting - GAC Advice Follow-up - RSSAC Restructure Update - RSSAC Caucus Call for Membership - SSAC Activities Access wil be via Adobe Connect/phone bridge. Advance questions may be asked via the RSVP form. An archived recording will be available. *What*: Pre-ICANN 50 Policy Update Webinar *When*: Thursday June 12 2014 3pm-4.30pm EDT | 19:00-20:30 UTC *Adobe Connect*: http://icann.na3.acrobat.com/update *Phone bridge*: See RSVP form *RSVP*: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IGHH52kS_kRTJ83kytdaK4M3BswtiiMFbcxR39NiYJI/viewform *Archive*: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jun *Twitter*: #ICANNPolicy Comment See all comments . *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6740 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From bommelaer at isoc.org Fri Jun 13 12:26:19 2014 From: bommelaer at isoc.org (Constance Bommelaer) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:26:19 +0000 Subject: [governance] Call for Participation - IGF Best Practices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, This is to inform you that the IGF Secretariat has just launched an open call to take part in the 2014 IGF Best Practices discussions. All stakeholders from governments, IGOs, Civil Society, the business and technical communities, are invited to join the preparatory process leading to the Istanbul IGF Best Practices Forums. All interested participants can take an active part in preparations by joining the following lists: 1. Developing meaningful multistakeholder participation mechanisms: http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_multistakeholder_intgovforum.org 2. Regulation and mitigation of unwanted communications (e.g. "spam"): http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_spam_intgovforum.org 3. Establishing and supporting Computer Emergency Response Teams (CERTs) for Internet security: http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_certs_intgovforum.org 4. Creating an enabling environment for the development of local content: http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org 5. Best practices for online child protection: http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_childprotection_intgovforum.org The respective discussion groups can be found in the IGF Community section of the IGF Website. Lead experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning experience as the actual ends achieved. Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through mailing lists, online virtual meetings and through the IGF Community portal. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 03:07:05 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:07:05 +0100 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] EFF to Court: U.S. Warrants Don't Apply to Overseas Emails In-Reply-To: References: <539B5B58.10400@eff.org> Message-ID: <059b01cf879f$418e2c20$c4aa8460$@gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: EFF Press Date: Friday, June 13, 2014 Subject: [E-B] EFF to Court: U.S. Warrants Don't Apply to Overseas Emails To: presslist at eff.org Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Release For Immediate Release: Friday, June 13, 2014 Contact: Hanni Fakhoury Staff Attorney Electronic Frontier Foundation hanni at eff.org +1 415 436-9333 x117 EFF to Court: U.S. Warrants Don't Apply to Overseas Emails Microsoft Fights to Protect Data Held on Servers in Ireland San Francisco - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has urged a federal court to block a U.S. search warrant ordering Microsoft to turn over a customer's emails held in an overseas server, arguing that the case has dangerous privacy implications for Internet users everywhere. The case started in December of last year, when a magistrate judge in New York signed a search warrant seeking records and emails from a Microsoft account in connection with a criminal investigation. However, Microsoft determined that the emails the government sought were on a Microsoft server in Dublin, Ireland. Because a U.S. judge has no authority to issue warrants to search and seize property or data abroad, Microsoft refused to turn over the emails and asked the magistrate to quash the warrant. But the magistrate denied Microsoft's request, ruling there was no foreign search because the data would be reviewed by law enforcement agents in the U.S. Microsoft appealed the decision. In an amicus brief in support of Microsoft, EFF argues the magistrate's rationale ignores the fact that copying the emails is a "seizure" that takes place in Ireland. "The Fourth Amendment protects from unreasonable search and seizure. You can't ignore the 'seizure' part just because the property is digital and not physical," said EFF Staff Attorney Hanni Fakhoury. "Ignoring this basic point has dangerous implications – it could open the door to unfounded law enforcement access to and collection of data stored around the world." The government has argued that allowing a U.S. judge to order the collection of data stored abroad is necessary, because international storage would make it easy for U.S. Internet companies to avoid complying with search warrants. But Microsoft asserts that the government's legal theory could hurt U.S. technology companies that are trying to do business internationally. Additionally, EFF argues in its amicus brief that the government's approach hurts Internet users globally, as it would allow the U.S. to obtain electronic records stored abroad without complying with mutual assistance treaty obligations or other nations' own laws. "Microsoft is doing the right thing by pushing back here. It's great to see a tech giant fighting for its customers," said Fakhoury. For the full brief in this case: https://www.eff.org/document/eff-amicus-brief-support-microsoft For this release: https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-court-us-warrants-dont-apply-overseas-emails About EFF The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading organization protecting civil liberties in the digital world. Founded in 1990, we defend free speech online, fight illegal surveillance, promote the rights of digital innovators, and work to ensure that the rights and freedoms we enjoy are enhanced, rather than eroded, as our use of technology grows. EFF is a member-supported organization. Find out more at https://www.eff.org. -end- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe or manage your email options: https://mail1.eff.org/mailman/listinfo/presslist Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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An increasing number of organizations implement their business processes and applications via runtime composition of services made available in the Cloud by external suppliers. This scenario is changing the traditional view of security introducing new service security risks and threats, and requires re-thinking of current assurance, development, testing, and verification methodologies. In particular, security assurance in the cloud is becoming a pressing need to increase the confidence of the cloud actors that the cloud and its services are behaving as expected, and requires novel approaches addressing SOA and cloud peculiarities. IWSAC 2014 is the continuation of the International Workshop on Securing Services on the Cloud, held in September 2011, Milan, Italy. It aims to address the security assurance issues related to the deployment of services in the Cloud, along with evaluating their impact on traditional security solutions for software and network systems. The workshop seeks submissions from academia and industry presenting novel research on all theoretical and practical aspects of security and assurance of services implemented in the Cloud, as well as experimental studies in Cloud infrastructures, the implementation of services, and lessons learned. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Authentication and access control in the cloud * Challenges in moving critical systems to the cloud * Cloud accountability * Cloud audit * Cloud compliance * Cloud certification * Cloud transparency, introspection, and outrospection * Cybersecurity in the cloud * Data security and privacy in the Cloud * Information assurance and trust management * Intrusion detection in the Cloud * Security assurance in the cloud * Security and assurance protocols in the Cloud * Service level agreements * Service procurement in the cloud * Service verification in critical cloud services * Test-based and monitoring-based verification of cloud services IMPORTANT DATES Paper submission due: September 6, 2014 (11:59 PM American Samoa time) Notification to authors: October 1, 2014 Camera-ready due: October 15, 2014 Registration due: October 19, 2014 SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS Submissions must not substantially overlap papers that have been published or that are simultaneously submitted to a journal or conference/workshop with proceedings. Each submission should be at most 8 pages in total including bibliography and well-marked appendices, and must follow the IEEE double columns publication format available at - [Microsoft Word DOC] ftp://pubftp.computer.org/Press/Outgoing/proceedings/instructA4x2.doc - [LaTex Formatting Macros] ftp://pubftp.computer.org/Press/Outgoing/proceedings/IEEE_CS_LatexA4x2.zip A maximum of 2 extra pages can be purchased for the final version of the accepted papers. Submissions are to be made to the submission web site https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=sitis2014 by selecting track "Workshop on Security Assurance in the Cloud". Only pdf files will be accepted. Submissions not meeting these guidelines risk rejection without consideration of their merits. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their papers will be presented at the workshop. At least one author of each accepted paper is required to register with the main conference and present the paper. Accepted papers at the workshop will be published in the conference proceedings and in the IEEE digital library. Extended version of selected accepted papers will be considered for publication in a journal special issue (TBC). IWSAC 2014 COMMITTEES AND CHAIRS General Chair (SITIS General Chair) * Ernesto Damiani, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy Program Chairs * Marco Anisetti, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy * Claudio A. Ardagna, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy * Rasool Asal, British Telecommunications, UK/UAE Publicity Chair * Valerio Bellandi, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy * Fulvio Frati, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy Web Chair * Fulvio Frati, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy Program Committee * Rafael Accorsi, University of Freiburg, Germany * Valerio Bellandi, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy * Michele Bezzi, SAP, France * Mauro Conti, University of Padua, Italy * Nora Cuppens-Boulahia, Telecom Bretagne, France * Ernesto Damiani, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy * Eduardo Fernandez, Florida Atlantic University, USA * Atsuhiro Goto, Institute of Information Security, Japan * Nils Gruschka, NEC Laboratories Europe, Germany * Patrick Hung, University of Ontario Institute of Technology, Canada * Meiko Jensen, Southern Denmark University, Denmark * Florian Kerschbaum, SAP, Germany * Nicolas Larrieu, ENAC, France * Antonio Mana, Universidad de Malaga, Spain * Siani Pearson, HP Labs, UK * George Spanoudakis, City University of London, UK This call for papers and additional information about the conference can be found at http://sesar.di.unimi.it/iwsac2014 **************** Il 5 x mille alla nostra Università è un investimento sui giovani, sui loro migliori progetti. 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Please, note that submissions from developing countries are particularly encouraged.Feel free to circulate the call to whoever might be interested. All the best, Luca Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality Call for Papers Network Neutrality: Regulatory Tendencies, Peering Agreements & Infrastructure Enhancement Background: The network neutrality debate is gaining great political momentum. Several countries have already implemented network neutrality laws, while many others are currently elaborating or scrutinising the opportunity to elaborate network neutrality legislation. Yet, we are witnessing today the emergence of a variety of divergent (and somewhat incompatible) approaches towards whether or not network neutrality is enshrined in law. In the U.S., the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeal invalidated the U.S. FCC Open Internet Order. On the other hand, the Brazilian National Congress has recently adopted the Marco Civil an Internet Bill of Rights containing network neutrality provisions, while at the European level net-neutrality is going to be enshrined into legislation but the outcome of this latter process seem currently difficult to predict. While the network neutrality debate continues, Internet Service Providers (ISPs) may enter into opaque interconnection-arrangements (peering agreements) that might include discriminatory provisions. In the U.S., for instance, Content and Applications Providers (CAPs) have been experimenting new typology of peering agreements that require CAPs to pay ISPs for a direct connection to their consumers (so called “sender-pays” model). The aforementioned issues seem difficult to solve without a serious reflection aimed at allowing the elaboration of evidence-based strategies. The 2014 Report of the Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality aims at fostering such a reflection in order to provide a valuable contribution to the crucial debate pertaining to the balance between network-neutrality implementation and infrastructure enhancement. Call: The Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality, established under the auspices of the United Nations Internet Governance Forum, invites researchers and practitioners to submit a position paper pertaining to the issue of net neutrality and regulatory tendencies. Suggested topics include analyses of, inter alia: · DC Circuit Court of Appeal Decision on the FCC Open Internet Order · European Union’s draft, Connected Continent Regulation, as amended by the European Parliament · Brazilian Marco Civil · Venezuela’s Internet Crackdown · Turkey’s Social-Network Blocking · Peering Agreements · Comcast-Netflix Deal · National/Regional/Local Network Enhancement Policies · Availability and implementation of remedies by regulatory authorities, when access providers have implemented anti-competitive non-neutral policies. Submission Guidelines: Research papers, including analytical and theoretical papers, position papers, or case studies will be considered for inclusion in the report, even if they have been previously published. The length of the submissions should be between 2500 and 5000 words. To facilitate the reviewing process, papers should not include author names or other information that would help identify the authors. All paper shall be in English language, and formatted according to the HWPiL style template. Submissions are due on 1st July, 2014. They should include the following elements: · Title · Short abstract (250 words) · Original contribution · Author’s name, afﬁliation and short bibliographical note (in the body of the email). Submissions should be sent to contact at networkneutrality.info Authors will be notiﬁed within approximately two weeks from the deadline as to the status of their contributions. All submitted papers will be subject to a rigorous double-blind peer review, whereby each paper will be reviewed by at least two reviewers. Everyone who submitted a paper will be asked to peer review another submission, which will be judged according to the novelty of the contribution, the theoretical soundness and the quality of presentation. Authors will be given the opportunity to improve their contributions based on peer comments. Selected papers will be published into the Dynamic Coalition report, which will be published under Open Access conditions. All authors must ensure that their contribution can be licensed under one of the Creative Commons licenses of their choice. Some of the authors will also be invited (at their own expenses) to present their work at the ﬁrst DC meeting to be held at the United Nation Internet Governance Forum, from 2 to 5 September 2014, in Istanbul (Turkey). Luca Belli PhD Candidate in Public Law CERSA, Université Panthéon-Assas, Paris 2 Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Call for Papers DC NN 2014.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 246996 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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It also needs to understand that we don't all belong to it and there is no compelling reason why we should, so it needs to shift its approach towards the conciliatory and welcoming. I've taken the liberty of sharing your message with Latin America and the Caribbean - to the best of my ability. 2 cents :-) Deirdre On 19 June 2014 08:35, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > Hi there > > ICANN is holding its second At-Large Summit (ATLAS) next week, during > ICANN 50 in London. > > I will be doing a brief keynote speech "as a user". > > Just checking with you, from where you are, what are your key issues that > you think ICANN should be made to understand? > > I will do what is possible to take the message along, to the measure of my > ability. > > The ATLAS holds Tuesday. > > > Cheers > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu Thu Jun 19 11:25:36 2014 From: Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu (Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:25:36 +0000 Subject: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Nnenna, A reference to the need for a coherent and comprehensive privacy policy for ICANN would not hurt. ICANN does not only need a Privacy Executive Officer. It needs a privacy team and a single unified privacy policy. Also, defining what "relevant jurisdiction" is in most ICANN documents could help users understand what the applicable law is in whatever circumstance they see themselves involved. All the best Camino From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Deirdre Williams Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:09 PM To: Internet Governance; Nnenna Nwakanma Subject: Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user Dear Nnenna, ICANN needs to understand that we, the end users, are not all the same, and that attempts to homogenise us are a very serious mistake; in fact we could call such attempts crimes against humanity. It also needs to understand that we don't all belong to it and there is no compelling reason why we should, so it needs to shift its approach towards the conciliatory and welcoming. I've taken the liberty of sharing your message with Latin America and the Caribbean - to the best of my ability. 2 cents :-) Deirdre On 19 June 2014 08:35, Nnenna Nwakanma > wrote: Hi there ICANN is holding its second At-Large Summit (ATLAS) next week, during ICANN 50 in London. I will be doing a brief keynote speech "as a user". Just checking with you, from where you are, what are your key issues that you think ICANN should be made to understand? I will do what is possible to take the message along, to the measure of my ability. The ATLAS holds Tuesday. Cheers Nnenna ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 12:28:48 2014 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:28:48 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome Nnenna! ICANN needs recognize the specific needs, and respond accordingly, of its stakeholders ... ALL of them ... And not only by Geographic location or by "Professional" affiliation. As an example ... The unique needs of and challenges faced by Small Island Developing States (2014 is the UN International Year of Small Island Developing States), Landlocked and Least Developed Countries requires specific attention and best fit solutions. One solution cannot fit all. Thanks for any help you can provide to get this message out. ------ Rgds, Tracy On Jun 19, 2014 1:36 PM, "Nnenna Nwakanma" wrote: > Hi there > > ICANN is holding its second At-Large Summit (ATLAS) next week, during > ICANN 50 in London. > > I will be doing a brief keynote speech "as a user". > > Just checking with you, from where you are, what are your key issues that > you think ICANN should be made to understand? > > I will do what is possible to take the message along, to the measure of my > ability. > > The ATLAS holds Tuesday. > > > Cheers > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at bango.org.bb Thu Jun 19 14:21:43 2014 From: admin at bango.org.bb (admin at bango.org.bb) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:21:43 -0400 Subject: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, This is probably my first post to this group, having been monitoring it for a few years. Let me try to get a few things straight as ICANN is about to take on full stewardship. ICANN is about end users. It is about creating a multi-stakeholder governance of the internet. No problem with ICANN, problem is the lack of participation of sufficient end users, especially in the Caribbean. Of the 14 or so countries in the Caribbean, only 4 participate in ICANN (Guyana, T&T, Jamaica and Barbados). In comparison, Latin America has about 5 times the countries participating in LACRALO, which is the Latin America and Caribbean (region) participants in ICANN. There are five regions. As a result, Latin America dominates and this is a problem we have been battling with for nearly five years, so the homogenous treatment is apparent because of the domination or the lack of participation of the Caribbean. We have been very unsuccessful in recruiting organisations from the Caribbean. I am not sure why, but the answer is not in complaining about ICANN, but participating to ensure that you get what you want. At this present moment, Caribbean is trying to emerge as a separate entity within the region. We (Caribbean) have started to speak with one voice so that we are not split. When we vote we try to vote as a bloc, etc., but we are only four. The problem is so bad that at the last General Assembly of LACRALO, which lasted four hours, never got past agenda item #2 (confirmation of the agenda), because the LA organisations did not want our motions on the agenda. We ended up using all the technicalities to get our motions for better governance and diversity on the agenda, while they did everything in their power to prevent it. I believe that meeting should be in the guinness book of records. Never before have I been part of such a meeting. Having said that, the real issue would be the domination of regions by the stronger sub regions as Caribbean would be. I am not sure if this is happening in the other four regions, but I do suspect that some sub-regions would be consumed by larger subregions; for example Pacific Islands under Asian region. The suggestion should be for ICANN to recognise the sub-regions rather than just the region. Of course this would have its challenges in terms of the budget for travel to meetings, etc. so that each sub-region is represented and not the entire region being represented by one person from the dominant sub-region... but to my mind, this is not insurmountable... it can be worked out. I would therefore support a call for recognition of sub-regions in order to overcome the apparent problem. As I said, it is not a question of ICANN imposing itself, but the arrangement within the regions because ICANN depends on the users. If you want more info on the workings of the difficulties we are facing, I will be happy to answer any question with respect to Caribbean and the Latin American region, referred to as LACRALO. ROK Roosevelt O. King Secretary General Barbados Association of Non Governmental Organisations #10 Garrison, St. Michael Barbados, Caribbean Office: 246-571-3535 Mobile: 246-822-7707 / 254-5815 e-mail: admin at bango.org.bb Network: www.ngo.bb From: Deirdre Williams Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:08 AM To: Internet Governance ; Nnenna Nwakanma Subject: Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user Dear Nnenna, ICANN needs to understand that we, the end users, are not all the same, and that attempts to homogenise us are a very serious mistake; in fact we could call such attempts crimes against humanity. It also needs to understand that we don't all belong to it and there is no compelling reason why we should, so it needs to shift its approach towards the conciliatory and welcoming. I've taken the liberty of sharing your message with Latin America and the Caribbean - to the best of my ability. 2 cents :-) Deirdre On 19 June 2014 08:35, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: Hi there ICANN is holding its second At-Large Summit (ATLAS) next week, during ICANN 50 in London. I will be doing a brief keynote speech "as a user". Just checking with you, from where you are, what are your key issues that you think ICANN should be made to understand? I will do what is possible to take the message along, to the measure of my ability. The ATLAS holds Tuesday. 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I would like to see ICANN devote a percentage of its considerable income to addressing social issues associated with the Internet, eg digital divide. Ian Peter From: Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:35 PM To: Governance ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; members ; africann at afrinic.net ; AfriCS-IG ; Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum Subject: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user Hi there ICANN is holding its second At-Large Summit (ATLAS) next week, during ICANN 50 in London. I will be doing a brief keynote speech "as a user". Just checking with you, from where you are, what are your key issues that you think ICANN should be made to understand? I will do what is possible to take the message along, to the measure of my ability. The ATLAS holds Tuesday. 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It is a non profit company. > > I would like to see ICANN devote a percentage of its considerable income to addressing social issues associated with the Internet, eg digital divide. Ian - To the extent that ICANN is recovering costs associated with the registry policy development or registry administration, I am not sure it's appropriate to characterize them them as "Internet taxes". The use of such proceeds to facilitate global participation in the policy development process, or accountability and transparency review, or similar registry-related capacity-building makes perfect sense, but that is probably more focused than the type of activities you are suggesting? Thanks, /John Disclaimer: my views alone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: John, the focus is very much on the narrow “internet community” rather than the broader community of internet users. I think that should change. There is very little that suggests to me that the current expenditure on “facilitating global participation in the policy development process” (largely travel assistance for insiders) results in either better policy, more globally inclusive policy development processes, or more efficient processes. As an example I could mention the currently being formed committee of 27 (!) to look at IANA transition, which cant even find one dedicated space for civil society among its members. Although I certainly wouldnt recommend expanding the committee beyond 27 because it is already too large to be efficient, I do think the most likely outcome is going to be a quagmire extending its deliberations way beyond 2015. However, I appreciate that many people here think ICANN is wonderful. But even if it were efficient, and ICANN could be held up as a shining light as to how to engage stakeholders from all over the world, I would still argue that devotion of a percentage of its income to dealing with wider internet related social issues would be a worthwhile step. Ian Peter From: John Curran Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 7:23 AM To: mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter Cc: Nnenna Nwakanma ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; members ; africann at afrinic.net ; AfriCS-IG ; Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Ian Peter wrote: ICANN collects Internet taxes from domain name owners. It is a non profit company. I would like to see ICANN devote a percentage of its considerable income to addressing social issues associated with the Internet, eg digital divide. Ian - To the extent that ICANN is recovering costs associated with the registry policy development or registry administration, I am not sure it's appropriate to characterize them them as "Internet taxes". The use of such proceeds to facilitate global participation in the policy development process, or accountability and transparency review, or similar registry-related capacity-building makes perfect sense, but that is probably more focused than the type of activities you are suggesting? Thanks, /John Disclaimer: my views alone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Thu Jun 19 17:52:29 2014 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:52:29 -0400 Subject: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <9918FC20-74F6-4B6F-A952-C0DC74ABB461@privaterra.org> Camino, Let me respond simply.. +1 to your comments!! regards Robert -- Robert Guerra Phone: +1 416-893-0377 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:25 AM, wrote: > Dear Nnenna, > > A reference to the need for a coherent and comprehensive privacy policy for ICANN would not hurt. ICANN does not only need a Privacy Executive Officer. It needs a privacy team and a single unified privacy policy. Also, defining what "relevant jurisdiction" is in most ICANN documents could help users understand what the applicable law is in whatever circumstance they see themselves involved. > > All the best > > Camino > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Deirdre Williams > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:09 PM > To: Internet Governance; Nnenna Nwakanma > Subject: Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user > > Dear Nnenna, > > ICANN needs to understand that we, the end users, are not all the same, and that attempts to homogenise us are a very serious mistake; in fact we could call such attempts crimes against humanity. > > It also needs to understand that we don't all belong to it and there is no compelling reason why we should, so it needs to shift its approach towards the conciliatory and welcoming. > > I've taken the liberty of sharing your message with Latin America and the Caribbean - to the best of my ability. > > 2 cents :-) > > Deirdre > > > > On 19 June 2014 08:35, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > Hi there > > ICANN is holding its second At-Large Summit (ATLAS) next week, during ICANN 50 in London. > > I will be doing a brief keynote speech "as a user". > > Just checking with you, from where you are, what are your key issues that you think ICANN should be made to understand? > > I will do what is possible to take the message along, to the measure of my ability. > > The ATLAS holds Tuesday. > > > Cheers > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rafik.dammak at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 18:53:11 2014 From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 07:53:11 +0900 Subject: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: <9918FC20-74F6-4B6F-A952-C0DC74ABB461@privaterra.org> References:

<9918FC20-74F6-4B6F-A952-C0DC74ABB461@privaterra.org> Message-ID: Hi Robert, as you know NCSG always defended (and still) privacy in ICANN policy processes. in fact we raised this issue about ICANN and Privacy in general at the last meeting between NCSG and ICANN Board in Singapore. Stephanie Perrin is currently leading our efforts on that matter with group of volunteers . Rafik 2014-06-20 6:52 GMT+09:00 Robert Guerra : > Camino, > > Let me respond simply.. +1 to your comments!! > > regards > > Robert > > -- > Robert Guerra > Phone: +1 416-893-0377 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:25 AM, < > Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu> wrote: > > Dear Nnenna, > > A reference to the need for a coherent and comprehensive privacy policy > for ICANN would not hurt. ICANN does not only need a Privacy Executive > Officer. It needs a privacy team and a single unified privacy policy. Also, > defining what "relevant jurisdiction" is in most ICANN documents could help > users understand what the applicable law is in whatever circumstance they > see themselves involved. > > All the best > > Camino > > *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [ > mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Deirdre Williams > *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:09 PM > *To:* Internet Governance; Nnenna Nwakanma > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user > > Dear Nnenna, > > ICANN needs to understand that we, the end users, are not all the same, > and that attempts to homogenise us are a very serious mistake; in fact we > could call such attempts crimes against humanity. > > It also needs to understand that we don't all belong to it and there is no > compelling reason why we should, so it needs to shift its approach towards > the conciliatory and welcoming. > > I've taken the liberty of sharing your message with Latin America and the > Caribbean - to the best of my ability. > > 2 cents :-) > > Deirdre > > > > On 19 June 2014 08:35, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > > Hi there > > ICANN is holding its second At-Large Summit (ATLAS) next week, during > ICANN 50 in London. > > I will be doing a brief keynote speech "as a user". > > Just checking with you, from where you are, what are your key issues that > you think ICANN should be made to understand? > > I will do what is possible to take the message along, to the measure of my > ability. > The ATLAS holds Tuesday. > > > > Cheers > Nnenna > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 20:16:47 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:16:47 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On 19 June 2014 17:51, Ian Peter wrote: > John, the focus is very much on the narrow “internet community” rather > than the broader community of internet users. I think that should change. > In fact the next message to arrive in my mail after Ian's was an ICANN News Alert - Universal Acceptance of TLDs Draft Roadmap which gives as its Purpose (Brief): To solicit community comment on draft roadmap for the Universal Acceptance Initiative. There are a couple of loose terms in this: "universal" and "community". During the ICANN session at NETmundial I asked who ICANN meant when it uses the term "community". I'm still not sure of the answer. Roosevelt (ROK) in an earlier message in this string wrote "ICANN is about end users". So now I would like to know - all end users or just some of them? I share Ian's concern about the committee of 27 that he mentions below. Following NETmundial I expected this committee to be inclusive in nature, but in fact it is exclusive in its composition since it indicates very precisely where delegates should come from. > ... > > As an example I could mention the currently being formed committee of 27 > (!) to look at IANA transition, which cant even find one dedicated space > for civil society among its members. Although I certainly wouldnt recommend > expanding the committee beyond 27 because it is already too large to be > efficient, I do think the most likely outcome is going to be a quagmire > extending its deliberations way beyond 2015. > It feels very uncomfortable to play dungeons and dragons with language. There are progressively fewer of the words we currently use in these discussions that we can rely on not to commit us to something we didn't intend when we use them. Do others share this concern? Deirdre > > .... > > > *From:* John Curran > *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 7:23 AM > *To:* mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org > ; Ian Peter > *Cc:* Nnenna Nwakanma ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > ; members ; africann at afrinic.net ; AfriCS-IG > ; Discussion List on African Internet > Governance Forum > *Subject:* [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user > > On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > ICANN collects Internet taxes from domain name owners. It is a non > profit company. > > I would like to see ICANN devote a percentage of its considerable income > to addressing social issues associated with the Internet, eg digital > divide. > > > Ian - > > To the extent that ICANN is recovering costs associated with the > registry > policy development or registry administration, I am not sure it's > appropriate > to characterize them them as "Internet taxes". > > The use of such proceeds to facilitate global participation in the > policy > development process, or accountability and transparency review, or > similar registry-related capacity-building makes perfect sense, but that > is probably more focused than the type of activities you are suggesting? > > Thanks, > /John > > Disclaimer: my views alone. > > > > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at istaff.org Thu Jun 19 20:39:03 2014 From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:39:03 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <535B54C0-F42C-4B0B-89F7-AAC5495EC04D@istaff.org> On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > John, the focus is very much on the narrow “internet community” rather than the broader community of internet users. I think that should change. If you are referring to "the participants involved in matters within ICANN's remit" (e.g. coordination of Internet names and numbers, DNS name policy development, operation of the IANA registry) then I fully agree with you. > There is very little that suggests to me that the current expenditure on “facilitating global participation in the policy development process” (largely travel assistance for insiders) results in either better policy, more globally inclusive policy development processes, or more efficient processes. That is unfortunate, and probably a topic that folks should advocate to change. > However, I appreciate that many people here think ICANN is wonderful. "ICANN is wonderful" is a rather large encompassing statement which I doubt very many could universally embrace. I think ICANN has done an excellent job in some areas, but there is always room for improvement. However, how well ICANN performs its tasks is not necessarily even relevant to to the issue you raised, i.e. whether ICANN should be devoting a percentage of its considerable income to addressing Internet-related social issues (and possibly issues unrelated to its mission of coordinating the Internet's systems of unique identifiers?) > But even if it were efficient, and ICANN could be held up as a shining light as to how to engage stakeholders from all over the world, I would still argue that devotion of a percentage of its income to dealing with wider internet related social issues would be a worthwhile step. There are quite a few participants in the Internet ecosystem, including Internet service providers, online content providers, parties involved in Internet registry coordination, etc. Many of these are for-profit, some are not-for-profit. You've asserted that there should be a tax on the Internet registry system to address Internet-related social issues; is this because that is the appropriate place to levy such taxes, or simply because it is a matter of convenience to tax the single centralized not-for-profit entity rather than the globally diverse for-profit entities located in hundreds of jurisdictions? /John Disclaimer: my views alone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pimienta at funredes.org Thu Jun 19 21:56:47 2014 From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:56:47 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: <535B54C0-F42C-4B0B-89F7-AAC5495EC04D@istaff.org> References:

<535B54C0-F42C-4B0B-89F7-AAC5495EC04D@istaff.org> Message-ID: > You've asserted that there should be a tax on the Internet > registry system to address Internet-related social issues; is this >because that is the appropriate place to levy such taxes, or simply >because it is a matter >of convenience to tax the single centralized not-for-profit entity >rather than the globally >diverse for-profit entities located in hundreds of jurisdictions? Maybe it is just that a global citizen,being netizen or not, can ask, with some genuine concern, why a body which is supposed to serve public interest in the area of Internet have to spent a little more that half a millon US$ in one year to 2 US based lobbying (*) consulting companies and if that money could not be used in a way more profitable to the general and global public interest. This information can be read at page 25 of the 2013 Tax document which is publically acessed at the following link: Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Tax Form 990, the United States return for organizations exempt from income taxes under section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code and the California State Tax Form 199 Citation: "THE ORGANIZATION UTILIZED THE SERVICES OF TWO GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FIRMS DURING THE YEAR ENDED JUNE 30, 2013, FOR A COST OF $520,252." (*) I take the terminology "lobbying" from the section of the document: "Political Campaign and Lobbying Activities" -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at bango.org.bb Fri Jun 20 00:25:39 2014 From: admin at bango.org.bb (admin at bango.org.bb) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 00:25:39 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <3685776F66B94B2D9139996F31E798FE@BANGO> Yes, all end users. It is a simple matter of participating. groups and individuals participate. Even governments participate. Just visit the ICANN website. It is public. ROK From: Deirdre Williams Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:16 PM To: Internet Governance ; Ian Peter Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user On 19 June 2014 17:51, Ian Peter wrote: John, the focus is very much on the narrow “internet community” rather than the broader community of internet users. I think that should change. In fact the next message to arrive in my mail after Ian's was an ICANN News Alert - Universal Acceptance of TLDs Draft Roadmap which gives as its Purpose (Brief): To solicit community comment on draft roadmap for the Universal Acceptance Initiative. There are a couple of loose terms in this: "universal" and "community". During the ICANN session at NETmundial I asked who ICANN meant when it uses the term "community". I'm still not sure of the answer. Roosevelt (ROK) in an earlier message in this string wrote "ICANN is about end users". So now I would like to know - all end users or just some of them? I share Ian's concern about the committee of 27 that he mentions below. Following NETmundial I expected this committee to be inclusive in nature, but in fact it is exclusive in its composition since it indicates very precisely where delegates should come from. ... As an example I could mention the currently being formed committee of 27 (!) to look at IANA transition, which cant even find one dedicated space for civil society among its members. Although I certainly wouldnt recommend expanding the committee beyond 27 because it is already too large to be efficient, I do think the most likely outcome is going to be a quagmire extending its deliberations way beyond 2015. It feels very uncomfortable to play dungeons and dragons with language. There are progressively fewer of the words we currently use in these discussions that we can rely on not to commit us to something we didn't intend when we use them. Do others share this concern? Deirdre .... From: John Curran Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 7:23 AM To: mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter Cc: Nnenna Nwakanma ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; members ; africann at afrinic.net ; AfriCS-IG ; Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Ian Peter wrote: ICANN collects Internet taxes from domain name owners. It is a non profit company. I would like to see ICANN devote a percentage of its considerable income to addressing social issues associated with the Internet, eg digital divide. Ian - To the extent that ICANN is recovering costs associated with the registry policy development or registry administration, I am not sure it's appropriate to characterize them them as "Internet taxes". The use of such proceeds to facilitate global participation in the policy development process, or accountability and transparency review, or similar registry-related capacity-building makes perfect sense, but that is probably more focused than the type of activities you are suggesting? Thanks, /John Disclaimer: my views alone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3972/7709 - Release Date: 06/19/14 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at istaff.org Fri Jun 20 05:33:34 2014 From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:33:34 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Your key ICANN issues as a user In-Reply-To: References: