[bestbits] Re: [governance] civil society co ordination group - call for comments
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Sat Jan 25 10:03:34 EST 2014
Hi,
(left the x-posting in since it concerned both groups)
As IRP is a multistakeholder group I think with have a category mismatch..
I still also have an issue with both BB and IGC being represented.
BB - is still in formation with only a self appointed group in the
leadership. Once they get their whole plan together and the group buys
into it and if the differentiation becomes clear, then the combined
groups should take a look at it.
IGC - has been in a free fall state of crisis for the past 2 years and
until it manages to right itself, it has no business in a
representational role.
But the people and organization, the civil society stakeholders,
distributed through those 2 groups are indeed important participants in
Ig. So while I dispute the legitimacy the members of BB and IGC being
twice represented at this point, I do believe it is a good idea for them
to be represented by a singular BB/IGC representative that is an active
participant in both groups nd who can be supported by the combined voice
of the groups.
avri
On 25-Jan-14 08:58, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Nnenna,
>
> as small correction, NCSG is part of the co-ordination group with BB,
> IGC, Diplo and APC.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014/1/20 Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>>
>
> How about a "network nomcom"?
>
> Having followed all teh models above, I am tending towards a kind of
> improvement of what we have now.
>
> What do we have now? A cordination of individual representatives of
> different networks: IRP, APC, Diplo, BB and IGC.
>
> Here is my suggestion:
>
> 1. Extend the Coordination group to include other networks/coalitions
> with the criteria above. I still prefer "extend" to "expand" :)
> 2. Have a Non-voting Chair for 1 year, renewable.
> 3. Each participating coaltion/network will chose from within itself,
> a person/persons to represent it in a nomcom
> 4. Nomcoms will not be static but will be convened when needed
> 5. We have a nomcom Chair but nomcom members will be chosen by their
> networks to form a "nomcom of networks". Networks/coalition may decide
> the method that is best suited to them to appoint qualified person/s
> for the task at hand.
>
> What will be the merits of a "NomCom of Networks"?:
> 1. Its members are sent by their constituent network/coalition
> 2. Networks/coalitions can chose a NomCom person based on the
> person's expertise on the subject for which CS reps are being called
> for
> 3. Networks/coalitions are free to use whatever methods they deem
> best to select their network rep on the "Nomcom of Networks"
>
> In summary, we have a Nomcom of Networks non-voting Chair for 1 year,
> and membership of nomcom is Networks/coalitions and not persons. Each
> time there is need for CS representation then each network notifies
> the Chair or their rep on the NomCom
>
>
> Best
>
> Nnenna
>
>
> On 1/20/14, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net
> <mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
> > A prequalification for either nomcom duties or being selected to
> represent
> > the caucus in some forum could be a history of prior engagement
> with the
> > caucus and prior track record in igov. [And to increase the
> inclusion, this
> > could mean engagement with multiple caucus members in good
> standing on other
> > civil society fora, if not necessarily this specific caucus]
> >
> > This prevents the sort of ballot stuffing you have noted, where
> there are
> > endorsements for specific individuals from random people or
> groups that have
> > no prior engagement with the caucus or track record on igov issues.
> >
> > --srs (iPad)
> >
> >> On 20-Jan-2014, at 12:27, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I’m posting here some thoughts recently discussed among members
> of the
> >> civil society co ordination group for comments and input. It
> relates to
> >> some options for this group. It would be good to have comments
> and input.
> >>
> >> What we are proposing is a period of on line discussion, after
> which we
> >> will probably conduct some sort of on line straw poll to get a
> feeling for
> >> how people think about options emerging. So please comment and
> digest, and
> >> we will look forward to getting wide input.
> >>
> >>
> >> But firstly- is there a need for such a group?
> >>
> >> There certainly was in the context of appointing representatives for
> >> Brazil and 1net, and we would argue that it is highly advisable for
> >> functions such as MAG nominations. Perhaps there are no other
> great needs
> >> at this stage, but they might arise. And certainly a continuing
> >> communication between groups working in the area of internet
> governance
> >> might be useful.
> >>
> >> The alternative to all of this re-organisation would be for the
> group to
> >> go into recess until another urgent need arises. But that choice
> would
> >> simply reinforce the criticism that exists of this group (or its
> >> successors) when there is a need again - or alternatively lead to
> >> fragmented selection processes that hinder civil society
> representation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. EXPANSION OF THE CO-ORDINATION GROUP
> >>
> >> This has been the subject of previous discussion with a number of
> >> different parties and it was decided to defer further
> considerations until
> >> after Brazil nominations were complete. There was also some
> discussion on
> >> list here immediately before Christmas about some possible
> criteria for
> >> involvement.
> >>
> >> One possibility we would suggest here is we could decide to
> enlarge the
> >> group to (say) 9 -12 people. The current voting members could
> remain and
> >> would be joined by one of the incoming IGC Co-ordinators. For
> additional
> >> voting members, we suggest that we open it up to expressions of
> interest –
> >> but not only from organisations, but also from individuals. That
> allows
> >> involvement of representatives of multistakeholder groups with a
> strong
> >> relationship with civil society (eg IRP). That might be a good
> step, and
> >> to this we could add rotation of members.... or leave such
> questions until
> >> the co ordination group is fully populated.
> >>
> >> That’s the first issue where clarity is needed. But how to
> select....
> >>
> >>
> >> 2. SELECTION PROCEDURES (possibly for expanding the co
> ordination group,
> >> but also for any future CS representation).
> >>
> >> We present three different options here.
> >>
> >> OPTION ONE - VOTING
> >>
> >> This works well within one organisation, but is more difficult with
> >> multi-organisational elections – who is in for voting, who is
> out? And
> >> some of us remember the original ICANN at large elections, where
> suddenly
> >> thousands of people with no previous involvement got involved in
> support
> >> of one candidate who was elected with a large majority. The
> context for us
> >> here is that, without a consolidated membership list of all our
> >> organisations, this is very open to capture and manipulation.
> And setting
> >> up and maintaining a multi-organisation single voting list is a
> fairly
> >> time consuming administrative task. (and then we need to ask which
> >> organisations mailing lists and/or membership lists would be
> included)
> >>
> >> So there are a few issues to solve if we take that direction.
> >>
> >> OPTION TWO – RANDOM NOMCOM
> >>
> >> This option has been widely used in IETF and was adopted in the
> Charter of
> >> IGC. We are not aware of anywhere else it is used but there may
> be some
> >> other examples.
> >>
> >> While this form is gospel to some people, others have reservations.
> >>
> >> Ian Peter writes, as one critic with some experience of this
> >>
> >> “My personal reservations arise from involvement with perhaps 9
> or so
> >> random Nomcoms, with the following results:
> >>
> >> 2 included known trolls.
> >> Only one of 9 had all members active – most worked on the basis
> of only
> >> one or two active members.
> >> One refused to work with the appointed Chair
> >> One had the Chair drop out mid process and ended up with one
> individual
> >> making decisions
> >> Gender and geographic balance are purely left up to chance.”
> >>
> >> To this we would add issues involved with random selection when
> >> factions/different organisations are involved. It is easy in
> this case for
> >> important sections of CS to be left out entirely from deliberations
> >> because they weren’t randomly selected.
> >>
> >> So some of us caution against use of this form in the context of a
> >> multi-organisational steering group, arguing that these are
> important
> >> matters of representation best not left to chance.
> >>
> >>
> >> OPTION THREE – APPOINTED NOMCOM
> >>
> >> This is the most widely used form and is used by technical
> community,
> >> business community, ICANN, and just about any other organisation
> we can
> >> think of. It’s the safest way, providing that transparent,
> accountable and
> >> inclusive processes are used to select the members of the
> Nomcom. That
> >> would be something the coordination group mentioned above could
> undertake
> >> when in place.
> >>
> >>
> >> And I am sure there are other variations. But they need to be
> agreed to
> >> and sorted out.
> >>
> >> CRITERIA
> >>
> >> We also need criteria for selection. Previously we discussed
> these in
> >> terms of determining suitable organisations who would nominate
> >> representatives. But if we are looking at individuals as well,
> they will
> >> need to change. But for reference, the previous discussions left
> these
> >> under consideration
> >>
> >> 1. Is it a coalition which is globally representative -
> all regions
> >> covered?
> >>
> >> 2. Is it non-commercial and public interest oriented (as opposed to
> >> business)?
> >>
> >> 3. Would it more properly fit under technical community, academic,
> >> business or government in its categorization?
> >>
> >> 4. Is a large part of this coalition's members already covered
> by one of
> >> the existing members?
> >>
> >>
> >> 5. The internal governance of the coalition is adequately
> transparent and
> >> accountable to its members.
> >>
> >>
> >> 6. Does the coalition have a substantial current involvement in and
> >> knowledge of internet governance issues
> >>
> >> Obviously if individuals are to be considered these have to change.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Over to everyone for comments.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ian Peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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