[governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial

Sun Dec 28 09:17:01 EST 2014

Dear Parminder,

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 9:48 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
wrote:

>
> To my understanding,  for most of those who now support the NMI, the case
> against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence of Chinas and
> Irans over there
>

When did any one say that [States such as } China or Iran should not be
involved in UN or have a presence in IG?

> - how can we trust our Internet to such authoritarian governments?!  It is
> a bit strange to see a special happiness being expressed when the same
> actors now join the NMI. What is one missing here?
>

NETmundial Initiative is open for global participation, brings
stakeholders from every country to the table, no exceptions. Actually there
is nothing "missing" here.

>
> The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet -
> politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly interested in
> more and better (as in more democratic) global governance of the Internet.
> It can do with forums to make deals and adjustments, and that is about all.
> That is China's attraction for the NMI, and here is where its interests
> partially overlap with  those of the US, whose whole effort is to block any
> move whatsoever towards
> g
> 
> 
> 
> lobally democratic governance of the Internet. What we therefore see is a
> move that is in the interest of all those who already have the most power
> in terms of the global Internet, they have a forum to negotiate their
> narrow interests.  And all those currently dis-empowered lose out and are
> worse off. (Apart from some crumbs throwing business.)
>
> In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and the
> 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself.
>

This is an inaugural coordination council. If my assumption is right, it
might take shape further.

> Worse, it pushes countries towards a model of global governance where the
> way to go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive deals and
> negotiating narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of the global public
> interest
>

That is not fair as a comment. Even before an initiative is given shape,
you are starting with a harsh assumption about how it will work. How about
starting with an assumption that the NETmundial Initiative is ALL about
Global Public Interest?

> (ok, I can hear sniggers, which is precisely the problem), which is what a
> UN kind of global governance system is under-pinned by. It distorts the
> very political thinking and philosophy that needs to form the basis of our
> shared global living. Big loss, really.
>

It is a great step forward. Whoever initiated NETmundial merits an
applause instead of all this unfair criticism.

Sivasubramanian M

>
> parminder
>
>
> On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>
> Good point.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:
>
> I see at least two names from China as very interesting or significant:
> Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of Alibaba, both were central figures at the
> World Internet Conference held in Wuzhen, China last month. Their
> participation in this Multistakeholder venture is a good sign.
>
> I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively engage and advance our
> core values.
>
> Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements that are troublesome,
> but I like to remain constructive, critical, but more positive.
>
> And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!
>
> Izumi
>  2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <lmcknigh at syr.edu>:
>
>>  FYI and happy holidays!
>>
>>
>>  Lee
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Dave Farber via ip <ip at listbox.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM
>> *To:* ip
>> *Subject:* [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its
>> Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community Consultation
>> Phase | NETmundial
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/netmundial-initiative-announces-formation-its-inaugural-coordination-council-and
>>   Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now>
>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/8923115-8446eb07> |
>> Modify
>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8923115&id_secret=8923115-86ed04cc>
>> Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now
>> <https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?member_id=8923115&id_secret=8923115-e899f1f0&post_id=20141224105832:B3E1D282-8B85-11E4-A91F-F4DD3793BE5A>
>> <http://www.listbox.com/>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.igcaucus.org/pipermail/governance/attachments/20141228/8bb2a30b/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
     governance at lists.igcaucus.org
To be removed from the list, visit:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing

For all other list information and functions, see:
     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/

Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t