From ca at cafonso.ca  Mon Dec  1 01:41:48 2014
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:41:48 +0100
Subject: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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It is not possible. Unless you are a Canadian. You probably know Brazil 
endured 20 years of military dictatorship. As a militant against it, I 
was forced into exile in the 70's. Canada was one of the countries which 
received me, while the Brazilian military refused to provide me with 
documentation or even register my son as a Brazilian (my wife is also 
Brazilian). Se we had at the time the privilege to accept Canadian 
citizenship from the country which so generously received me and my family.

So I am now a Brazilian-Canadian, and proud of it, and so is my family.

Of course this is a silly issue, but anyway for the record... people who 
take this seriously can always write to cafonso at cidadania.org.br, while 
I like to use ca at cafonso.ca because it is short and maybe I am egocentric :)

rgds

--c.a.

On 11/30/14 23:58, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
> Hi Carlos
>
> you wrrote
>
> < Nice to be sitting comfortably somewhere in Europe and doing this kind
> of shallow evaluation of our political process. You should better take a
> look at the disastrous neoliberal policies being practiced in Europe
> since the 2008 crisis.
>  >
>  > fraternal regards
>  >
>  > --c.a.
>
> Fraternal ? Really ?? BTW  : how do you know I'm "siting comfortably
> somewhere in Europe" ?
>
> For your information, I 'm just back at home from my five hours trip to
> Geneva, where I participated -and actively contributed  as one of the
> rare CS participants- to the CSTD 2014-2015 Intersessionel Panel. I'll
> transmit later a short report of it to the lists.
>
> BTW, my e-mail address ends with .fr, indicating, as you may know, I'm
> living in France. In turn, I'm wondering how it's possible for "a
> Brazilian, from Sao Paolo and living in Rio" to get an e-mail address
> ending by .ca ...  But I must admit, I'm not an Internet insider :-))
>
> Best regards
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>
>      > Message du 30/11/14 19:18
>      > De : "Carlos Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
>      > A : "Jean-Louis FULLSACK" <jlfullsack at orange.fr>,
>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "SureshRamasubramanian"
>     <suresh at hserus.net>, "parminderitforchange.net"
>     <parminder at itforchange.net>
>      > Copie à : "HartmutRichardGlaser" <glaser at cgi.br>,
>     "bestbitslists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>      > Objet : Re: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
>      >
>      > Hi Jean, I am a Brazilian, from São Paulo and living in Rio. No
>     one saw
>      > "hundreds of thousands" in the streets in June 2013 or any other
>     time
>      > except in the 80's with the campaign for direct elections for
>     president
>      > and the 90' with the movement for ethics in politics. Brazil has 142
>      > million voters. It takes a lot more than a few hundreds of 1-2
>     thousand
>      > people in Paulista Avenue to be representative of the will of
>     Brazilian
>      > people.
>      >
>      > Nice to be sitting comfortably somewhere in Europe and doing this
>     kind
>      > of shallow evaluation of our political process. You should better
>     take a
>      > look at the disastrous neoliberal policies being practiced in Europe
>      > since the 2008 crisis.
>      >
>      > fraternal regards
>      >
>      > --c.a.
>      >
>      > On 11/30/14 18:47, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
>      > > Dear Carlos
>      > >
>      > > Yoiu wote :
>      > >
>      > > < there is no one who could say WEF indoctrinated Lula, or that
>     WEF took
>      > > the reigns
>      > > of the government of Brazil.
>      > >
>      > > You are right : there were hundreds of thousand Brasilians
>     -Indignados
>      > > and others- in the streets and places to protest about Lula's and
>      > > Dilma's "softened" policy.
>      > >
>      > > BTW, Davos is hosting annually a "policicy softening course of
>      > > treatment" ...
>      > >
>      > > Best regards
>      > >
>      > > Jean-louis Fullsack
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > > Message du 23/11/14 00:47
>      > > > De : "Carlos Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
>      > > > A : "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>,
>      > > "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
>      > > "parminder at itforchange.net" <parminder at itforchange.net>
>      > > > Copie à : "Hartmut Richard Glaser" <glaser at cgi.br>,
>      > > "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>      > > > Objet : Re: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
>      > > >
>      > > > Dear people,
>      > > >
>      > > > In January 2003, Lula was just starting his first term as
>      > > president. As
>      > > > usual he went to the World Social Forum where he was met with
>      > > massive
>      > > > acclamation. I remember crying like a child to experience in loco
>      > > the
>      > > > thousands of people cheering Lula.
>      > > >
>      > > > From Porto Alegre he went to Davos.(*) Yes, that daunting lair of
>      > > > corporate devils! A group of militants, NGOs and social
>     movements of
>      > > > course criticized Lula, along the same lines JNC does today as a
>      > > sort of
>      > > > scion of its view of political correctness. But other militants,
>      > > NGOs
>      > > > and social movements supported Lula's visit to WEF (I was among
>      > > them) --
>      > > > our president had to establish dialogue with all sectors, and
>      > > there is
>      > > > no one who could say WEF indoctrinated Lula, or that WEF took the
>      > > reigns
>      > > > of the government of Brazil. If anything happened, it would be
>      > > the other
>      > > > way around.
>      > > >
>      > > > I like to recall this story because it reminds me of the fury of
>      > > > arguments at the time -- just like we see today the different
>      > > > (adversarial?) camps of civil society nailing each other.
>      > > >
>      > > > fraternal regards
>      > > >
>      > > > --c.a.
>      > > >
>      > > > (*) See, for example, this report:
>      > > >
>      > >
>     http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/biores/news/two-world-forums-debate-globalisation
>      > > >
>      > > > On 11/22/14 21:30, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>      > > > >>
>      > > > >> I am greatly disappointed that so many friends in the CGI.Br
>      > > has now come
>      > > > >> out to vouchsafe or front for what is basically a WEF and
>      > > ICANN (basically
>      > > > >> doing US's bidding) game.
>      > > > >
>      > > > > Disappointed? My heart bleeds for you, to be sure.
>      > > > >
>      > > > >
>      > > > >> everyone knows WEF to be. Do the Brazilians, who kind of gave
>      > > the world
>      > > > >> the World Social Forum, really need to be reminded of the
>      > > basic lessons
>      > > > >> with regard to the designs of global domination by a certain
>      > > economic and
>      > > > >> political elite, and their impatience with democracy,
>      > > especially at the
>      > > > >> global level!
>      > > > >>
>      > > > >
>      > > > > Now you call them naïve. How incredibly patronizing.
>      > > > >
>      > > > > Any so called "democracy" of the sort you seem to want, that
>      > > excludes stakeholders based on any nationality and/or economic
>      > > backgrounds that you dislike, is emphatically not a democracy, but
>      > > merely pure demagoguery. Makes me glad that you continue to remain
>      > > far, far away from the civil society mainstream thinking on this
>      > > subject.
>      > > > >
>      > > > >> Again, you are fast expending the political capital that the
>      > > Brazilian
>      > > > >> government and CGI.Br has, something that I find to be such a
>      > > great loss,
>      > > > >> and very much hope were not the case. *The global progressive
>      > > community
>      > > > >> has consistently supported you, but this support cannot be
>      > > taken for
>      > > > >
>      > > > > I admire how you keep attempting to speak for the global
>      > > progressive community, in pushing the regressive agenda that you
>      > > continue to push, and that the majority of the community apparently
>      > > doesn't share.
>      > > > >
>      > > > >> granted, which is my unfortunate duty to tell you, as you
>     come out
>      > > > >> publicly to seek global support for a WEF centred global
>      > > governance
>      > > > >> initiative.*
>      > > > >>
>      > > > >
>      > > > > Your support, and those of the small splinter group of
>      > > extremists that caucus with you? Well, may the good Lord
>     preserve us
>      > > all from such support.
>      > > > >
>      > > > >> Your statement says that you are willing to dialogue and work
>      > > together
>      > > > >> with everyone. Some of us from global progressive civil
>      > > society offer
>      > > > >> ourselves for such a dialogue. We have in our hands today the
>      > > interests
>      > > > >> and fate of the people of the world, and of the future
>      > > generations. Let
>      > > > >
>      > > > > That sounds more like a royal "We" than any sort of
>      > > inclusiveness. Do stop trying to speak for civil society at large.
>      > > You don't and have never represented it all.
>      > > > >
>      > > > > --srs
>      > > > >
>      > > >
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From nnenna75 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 02:51:34 2014
From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 07:51:34 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
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Great idea here. At least someone is saying "do".
Color me interested.

Quick one here: is "social justice" as a theme covered under theme 1?
Should we add a "social and cultural development" theme, distinct from
economical development?

Still thinking

Nnenna

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:04 PM, "João Carlos R. Caribé" <joao.caribe at me.com
> wrote:

> Appear to be a very interesting idea, first time come to my mind this
> project could expose strategically the civil society stakeholder, giving
> out concerns, positions and other valuable assets that can be used against
> us in our strives, shortly thereafter I realized that who can use it knows
> us better than us.
>
> I approve, also can support in any task.
>
> Congratulations for this savvy idea Wolf
>
>
> Joao Caribe
>
> Em 28/11/2014, às 05:21, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang escreveu:
>
> > Hi everybody
> >
> > After weeks of confusing conflicts let´s move towards clarifying
> collaboration. What we have seen in the recent (sometimes unfriendly)
> disputes is that there are many different  civil society activists with
> different civil society positions. This is confusing, both for newcomers
> who want to join civil society groups in Internet Governance discussions as
> well as for other stakeholders who want to collaborate with civil society.
> On the othher Hand: This is natural. The civil Society Stakeholder Groups
> has similar differences as the governmental stakeholder group if you
> compare the governmental positions of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, US, EU,
> Brazil, India, Japan, Australia etc.
> > This not the Problem. The probllem is that you have to know what the
> position. So it is about transparency and clarity.
> >
> > Here is a proposal how to move forward:  We have seen so many people
> writing long e-mails arguing for their position. Wouldn´t it be better if
> we use this energy to write more comprehensive and structured position or
> issue papers so that newbies or outsiders will better understand what the
> real points under discussions are in CS circles? We have seen rather
> different arguments around the same issue from JNC to APC and NCUC folks.
> >
> > I propose that we start to work on what I call a “Civil Society Internet
> Governance Handbook”.  This handbook would allow all CS groups within the
> CSCG to present their own individual points of views so that everybody
> knows what the positions are. The book could be structured into four main
> chapters:
> >
> > 1.    Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
> > 2.    Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
> > 3.    Economic Development (Market domination, competition,
> infrastructure development etc.)
> > 4.    Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
> >
> > Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC)
> could nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be
> free to argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is
> no need for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his
> radical, moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main
> issues.
> >
> > Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process
> and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of us.
> >
> > We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
> official texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.)
> until the May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around
> 250 pages. If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York
> event in December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG
> Community as a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in
> the emerging IG multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into
> the WSIS 10+ process.
> >
> > The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups)
> would be the editor.
> >
> > Any comment?
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
> >
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From kichango at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 04:12:31 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:12:31 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
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Hi,

That is a very good idea and worthy undertaking suggested by Wolfgang. And
I don't take Milton's reservations as reservations but in fact as a good
complement (although he seems at the same time to shy away from the idea
that we can actually do this, hiding behind Nnenna in the process ;-)

In effect, the question of having people to agree on the legitimacy of
individuals selected as _CS representatives_ is a different one from what
we need to do here.

So I will reformulate Wolfgang's suggestion in light of Milton's
observations, as follows.

1) The idea would be to map out the different worldviews, goals, ordering
values, perspectives, ideological or theoretical postulates which structure
the positions, stances and speech of CS individuals and groups actually
intervening in the IG space (not a "universal CS").

2) So let's not start with or focus on selecting authors. Rather, we should
start with a collaborative effort to identify and properly label those
worldview/ values/ goals/ perspectives/ ideologies/ theories, etc. One
example is "Social Justice" (we've got that clear enough from JNC, but
still subject to reformulation by its proponents.) What else have we got?
Would you, Milton, argue that we have a "rational actor theory" perspective
here? This may require some online survey tool with people self-identifying
themselves with the relevant labels (we might have to decide under how many
labels an individual can identify him- or herself. Each label should be
followed by one to three sentence description (preferably) just to help
everybody in their self-identification.

What I would advise against is having people who don't share a given
perspective wanting to label that perspective (or agree with it.) For
instance if some among us, on the left side, think a group among us should
be labeled "neo-liberal," that should not matter if the group in question
chooses to label itself differently. The most important thing would be that
the basics and implications of each perspective shall be presented in the
corresponding chapter. Likewise, the people recognizing themselves in a
given perspective would be the ones responsible for drafting its chapter,
and while each chapter may be submitted to our "plenary" for input /
review, this will be with the goal to make the text materially better
wherever it proves necessary but there will be no need for universal
agreement (on values, etc.)

3) Only after we have identify and properly label the fundamental
perspectives among us, will we finalize the overall outline of the volume
and start the drafting process. Again, as far as the worldviews, values and
perspectives, only people who recognize themselves under a label would be
invited to participate in the (initial) drafting of their chapter. So it
will be up to each group to decide whether they will have a collective
drafting process or they will select a few individuals to take charge of
the process or they will set up an editorial group, etc.

4) There will probably be, in addition to the "perspective chapters," some
complementary cross-cutting and thematic chapters. Here is where we may
have to form a group, including but not limited to one member from each
perspective identified, so as to reflect the take of each perspective on
the theme/issue while analyzing it.

I realize that this sounds like a research program and may be a little more
demanding to carry out than just having a group of people from each of our
coalitions to draft a chapter. But I am sure for all the energy we waste in
trying to convince people with a different worldview than our own, the
above would be the most important legacy we can leave to the next
generation of IG wonks within civil society.

Best,

Mawaki
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Mon Dec  1 04:23:35 2014
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 04:25:39 2014
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:25:39 +1300
Subject: [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
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>
> I propose that we start to work on what I call a "Civil Society Internet
> Governance Handbook".


Sala: Let's do this!

> This handbook would allow all CS groups within the CSCG to present their
> own individual points of views so that everybody knows what the positions
> are. The book could be structured into four main chapters:
>
> 1.      Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
> 2.      Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
> 3.      Economic Development (Market domination, competition,
> infrastructure development etc.)
> 4.      Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
>
> Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC)
> could nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be
> free to argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is
> no need for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his
> radical, moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main
> issues.
>
> Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process
> and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of us.
>
> We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
> official texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.)
> until the May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around
> 250 pages. If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York
> event in December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG
> Community as a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in
> the emerging IG multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into
> the WSIS 10+ process.
>
> The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups)
> would be the editor.
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> Any comment?
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Mon Dec  1 04:54:38 2014
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:54:38 +0100
Subject: [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
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References: <793FFF2DB19A4177851ACCDC06269034@Toshiba>	<54762985.2010101@apc.org>	<053001d009ba$768cf260$63a6d720$@gmail.com>	<2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8016428EE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <CAJwbTiCZSt85Qjk00guBLjoSspSdPEnpfu8Me6ozrkc6aDb56Q@mail.gmail.com>
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The only concern I have on yet another good proposal from Wolf is that a 
book is static while the IG processes are in a complex, difficult 
dynamic. I wonder if the book could be a "photograph" of something which 
would be more or less regularly updated in a corresponding collaborative 
portal?

fraternal regards

--c.a.

On 12/1/14 10:25, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>
>
>     I propose that we start to work on what I call a “Civil Society
>     Internet Governance Handbook”.
>
>
> Sala: Let's do this!
>
>     This handbook would allow all CS groups within the CSCG to present
>     their own individual points of views so that everybody knows what
>     the positions are. The book could be structured into four main chapters:
>
>     1.      Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
>     2.      Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
>     3.      Economic Development (Market domination, competition,
>     infrastructure development etc.)
>     4.      Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
>
>     Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo,
>     APC) could nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author
>     would be free to argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen
>     pages). There is no need for consensus. Every author would be free
>     to present her/his radical, moderate, liberal and whatsoever
>     position on one of the four main issues.
>
>     Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the
>     process and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG
>     events ahead of us.
>
>     We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
>     official texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions
>     etc.) until the May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book
>     would be around 250 pages. If we find a sponsor we could publish
>     this for the New York event in December 2015. Such a book would seen
>     by the rest of the IG Community as a helpful contribution, it would
>     strengthen the role of CS in the emerging IG multistakeholder
>     mechanisms and would be also an input into the WSIS 10+ process.
>
>     The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six
>     groups) would be the editor.
>
>     Any comment?
>
>     Wolfgang
>
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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 05:34:22 2014
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:34:22 +0500
Subject: [governance] Who looks at IGF issues at UNDESA
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I had been exploring that who is looking at the IGF issues at UNDESA
nowadays? There is always a contact point at UNDESA. Does anyone know
that person and would you be kind enough to please share their phone
number and email address?

Maybe our colleagues in the MAG and Open Consultations in Geneva might
be able to help?

-- 
Regards.
--------------------------
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ICT4D and Internet Governance Advisor
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Mon Dec  1 06:39:34 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 17:09:34 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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On Monday 01 December 2014 02:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> On 01-Dec-14 04:56, Guru wrote:
>> The reason why many of us are concerned about Brazil participation in 
>> a space (WEF) that 'belongs' to the business elite of the world, is 
>> simply that many of us consider Brazil a global leader in supporting 
>> policies programmes for social justice, human rights, democracy. 
>
> And maybe they have come to the realization that is better to work 
> with the so-called elite and work to change them, than it is to remain 
> on the outside and vilify them.  Vilification may feel good and may 
> make one feel morally superior, but it gains very little in the long 
> run except for constant strife and division among ourselves.

If we  indeed generally are into being good and accommodative, perhaps 
we could be as giving and gracious with regard to the UN and its 
institutions as well, whether the ITU or a new possible space for 
Internet governance and policy. But we do not offer them similar 
considerations, do we. They are of course the bad guys. So bad that 
their vilification does not even qualify to be called as vilification.

UN or any such (institutionally) democratic form of global governance 
should be kept away from anything Internet! So, it is made to appear 
that the world will come to a halt  if the word Internet but gets into 
the ITRs of the ITU. And even if, at the ITU Plenipot, developing 
countries propose new studies and measures for data protection and 
against privacy intrusion, we look the other way, because, because, 
there are unknown terrors hiding behind anything that ITU does even if 
the intentions on the surface look good. Contribute in all ways possible 
to retard the WSIS plus 10 political process, the phase 3 of WSIS, and 
hope it just goes away somehow. (Look the other way when the developing 
countries seek a full WSIS style prep process, in Geneva, and developed 
countries simply refuse, and force on us just a small UN GA event.)

However, the WEF and the global elite deserves a chance! We should not 
vilify them! That to me and those of my kind of politics looks like a 
strange logic, but also something we have now come to expect in these 
spaces.

So, no, supporting the new WEF centred or initiated NMI is not just 
going along with anyone who is ready to work on key global IG issues. 
(We wont have any objection to any 'normal' WEF initiative in the IG 
space as they have in many other spaces.) /*This is a specific political 
choice exercised between the traditional global governance systems, like 
the UN based ones (how much ever in the need of reforms they might be) 
and new neoliberal governance systems like the WEF based one. The 
political responsibility for making this choice must be taken. */It 
cannot be dodged.

Do not make it look like an innocent choice; 'well let them also be 
given a chance when they are eager to contribute' kind of a thing. This 
is is basically one kind of global governance system rejected in the 
favour of other.... That is a stark political choice that a good part of 
IG related civil society made last week, and CGI.Br made, which we what 
we oppose. We have the right to be vociferous in our opposition, because 
both civil society actors and CGI.Br are responsible to the public.  But 
sure, of course we are the vilifiers in speaking of the WEF as 
representing the global elite, not those who foam at their mouth every 
time UN or the ITU is mentioned.

To anticipate the response I expect to this, something like, we will as 
happily participate in ITU/ UN if they too offer an equal footing 
arrangement like the WEF/ ICANN initiative has done. No, they cannot 
offer it, because unlike the WEF et al they are into serious business of 
global policy making in global public interest. Not in the business of 
obfuscating and retarding policy making, as neoliberal systems aim at 
(so that the powerful are left to their own devices). The same way as 
national political systems are into serious policy making and would 
never never, in no country, ever offer an equal footing arrangement at 
the policy making table. But sure WEF can offer this arrangement. 
Because it needs to make no policy, only resist legitimate policy 
making. And such resistance can very well get done through an equal 
footing arrangement.

Yes, morality is a big considerations in making these political choices, 
and not at all a bad word for us. It ought to be the bedrock of what 
motivates civil society not convenient political arrangements with the 
most powerful.

parminder





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From jlfullsack at orange.fr  Mon Dec  1 08:06:24 2014
From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:06:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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Dear Carlos

Thanks for having given a relevant answer to my (not so) innocent question.

 

I have the highest respect for any person who opposes/opposed dictatorial regimes in any place on earth. This is not (only) an ideological viewpoint, but a personal conviction resulting from my own experience, in my childhood, when I suffered under the Nazi regime in my (to the German Reich) annexed French province Alsace. I was present when my father has been arrested by the nazi police ; as himself, a part of my family has been deported in a so-called concentration camp because of their opposition and/or for their active resistance activities against the Nazi power.

 

Therefore, my respect applies also to you.

 

I hope that this background will also convince you -as well as other members of the lists- that I'm not "comfortably sitting somewhere in Europe", but always struggling and committed in opposing any dictatorship or hegemony, be it national or financial, that submits peoples to its reign and rules. And IMHO, WEF is a (the) place where the latter is strongly entrenched, and a space where ultra-liberal hegemonic ideology is celebrated, nurtured and fostered.

 

Lets hope that CS members who are expressing their opinion like myself, are tolerated as contributors and their opinion respected when Human Rights and basic liberties are threatened by any hegemony and power.

 

BTW, currently, my son is living in Canada. He's a mathematiciian and researcher at Dahousie University, Halifax (NS) and both a Canadian and French citizen. Of course, not for analogue reasons with yours ...  

 

There are some curious coincidences ...

 

Best regards

Jean-Louis Fullsack

 

 

 

> Message du 01/12/14 07:43
> De : "Carlos Afonso" 
> A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Jean-Louis FULLSACK" , "parminderitforchange.net" 

> Copie à : "bestbitslists.bestbits.net" 
> Objet : Re: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
> 
> It is not possible. Unless you are a Canadian. You probably know Brazil 
> endured 20 years of military dictatorship. As a militant against it, I 
> was forced into exile in the 70's. Canada was one of the countries which 
> received me, while the Brazilian military refused to provide me with 
> documentation or even register my son as a Brazilian (my wife is also 
> Brazilian). Se we had at the time the privilege to accept Canadian 
> citizenship from the country which so generously received me and my family.
> 
> So I am now a Brazilian-Canadian, and proud of it, and so is my family.
> 
> Of course this is a silly issue, but anyway for the record... people who 
> take this seriously can always write to cafonso at cidadania.org.br, while 
> I like to use ca at cafonso.ca because it is short and maybe I am egocentric :)
> 
> rgds
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> On 11/30/14 23:58, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
> > Hi Carlos
> >
> > you wrrote
> >
> > < Nice to be sitting comfortably somewhere in Europe and doing this kind
> > of shallow evaluation of our political process. You should better take a
> > look at the disastrous neoliberal policies being practiced in Europe
> > since the 2008 crisis.
> > >
> > > fraternal regards
> > >
> > > --c.a.
> >
> > Fraternal ? Really ?? BTW : how do you know I'm "siting comfortably
> > somewhere in Europe" ?
> >
> > For your information, I 'm just back at home from my five hours trip to
> > Geneva, where I participated -and actively contributed as one of the
> > rare CS participants- to the CSTD 2014-2015 Intersessionel Panel. I'll
> > transmit later a short report of it to the lists.
> >
> > BTW, my e-mail address ends with .fr, indicating, as you may know, I'm
> > living in France. In turn, I'm wondering how it's possible for "a
> > Brazilian, from Sao Paolo and living in Rio" to get an e-mail address
> > ending by .ca ... But I must admit, I'm not an Internet insider :-))
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Jean-Louis Fullsack
> >
> > > Message du 30/11/14 19:18
> > > De : "Carlos Afonso" 
> > > A : "Jean-Louis FULLSACK" ,
> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "SureshRamasubramanian"
> > , "parminderitforchange.net"
> > 

> > > Copie à : "HartmutRichardGlaser" ,
> > "bestbitslists.bestbits.net" 
> > > Objet : Re: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
> > >
> > > Hi Jean, I am a Brazilian, from São Paulo and living in Rio. No
> > one saw
> > > "hundreds of thousands" in the streets in June 2013 or any other
> > time
> > > except in the 80's with the campaign for direct elections for
> > president
> > > and the 90' with the movement for ethics in politics. Brazil has 142
> > > million voters. It takes a lot more than a few hundreds of 1-2
> > thousand
> > > people in Paulista Avenue to be representative of the will of
> > Brazilian
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Nice to be sitting comfortably somewhere in Europe and doing this
> > kind
> > > of shallow evaluation of our political process. You should better
> > take a
> > > look at the disastrous neoliberal policies being practiced in Europe
> > > since the 2008 crisis.
> > >
> > > fraternal regards
> > >
> > > --c.a.
> > >
> > > On 11/30/14 18:47, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
> > > > Dear Carlos
> > > >
> > > > Yoiu wote :
> > > >
> > > > < there is no one who could say WEF indoctrinated Lula, or that
> > WEF took
> > > > the reigns
> > > > of the government of Brazil.
> > > >
> > > > You are right : there were hundreds of thousand Brasilians
> > -Indignados
> > > > and others- in the streets and places to protest about Lula's and
> > > > Dilma's "softened" policy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, Davos is hosting annually a "policicy softening course of
> > > > treatment" ...
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > Jean-louis Fullsack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Message du 23/11/14 00:47
> > > > > De : "Carlos Afonso" 
> > > > > A : "Suresh Ramasubramanian" ,
> > > > "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" ,
> > > > "parminder at itforchange.net" 

> > > > > Copie à : "Hartmut Richard Glaser" ,
> > > > "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" 
> > > > > Objet : Re: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear people,
> > > > >
> > > > > In January 2003, Lula was just starting his first term as
> > > > president. As
> > > > > usual he went to the World Social Forum where he was met with
> > > > massive
> > > > > acclamation. I remember crying like a child to experience in loco
> > > > the
> > > > > thousands of people cheering Lula.
> > > > >
> > > > > From Porto Alegre he went to Davos.(*) Yes, that daunting lair of
> > > > > corporate devils! A group of militants, NGOs and social
> > movements of
> > > > > course criticized Lula, along the same lines JNC does today as a
> > > > sort of
> > > > > scion of its view of political correctness. But other militants,
> > > > NGOs
> > > > > and social movements supported Lula's visit to WEF (I was among
> > > > them) --
> > > > > our president had to establish dialogue with all sectors, and
> > > > there is
> > > > > no one who could say WEF indoctrinated Lula, or that WEF took the
> > > > reigns
> > > > > of the government of Brazil. If anything happened, it would be
> > > > the other
> > > > > way around.
> > > > >
> > > > > I like to recall this story because it reminds me of the fury of
> > > > > arguments at the time -- just like we see today the different
> > > > > (adversarial?) camps of civil society nailing each other.
> > > > >
> > > > > fraternal regards
> > > > >
> > > > > --c.a.
> > > > >
> > > > > (*) See, for example, this report:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/biores/news/two-world-forums-debate-globalisation
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/22/14 21:30, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I am greatly disappointed that so many friends in the CGI.Br
> > > > has now come
> > > > > >> out to vouchsafe or front for what is basically a WEF and
> > > > ICANN (basically
> > > > > >> doing US's bidding) game.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Disappointed? My heart bleeds for you, to be sure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> everyone knows WEF to be. Do the Brazilians, who kind of gave
> > > > the world
> > > > > >> the World Social Forum, really need to be reminded of the
> > > > basic lessons
> > > > > >> with regard to the designs of global domination by a certain
> > > > economic and
> > > > > >> political elite, and their impatience with democracy,
> > > > especially at the
> > > > > >> global level!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now you call them naïve. How incredibly patronizing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any so called "democracy" of the sort you seem to want, that
> > > > excludes stakeholders based on any nationality and/or economic
> > > > backgrounds that you dislike, is emphatically not a democracy, but
> > > > merely pure demagoguery. Makes me glad that you continue to remain
> > > > far, far away from the civil society mainstream thinking on this
> > > > subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Again, you are fast expending the political capital that the
> > > > Brazilian
> > > > > >> government and CGI.Br has, something that I find to be such a
> > > > great loss,
> > > > > >> and very much hope were not the case. *The global progressive
> > > > community
> > > > > >> has consistently supported you, but this support cannot be
> > > > taken for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I admire how you keep attempting to speak for the global
> > > > progressive community, in pushing the regressive agenda that you
> > > > continue to push, and that the majority of the community apparently
> > > > doesn't share.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> granted, which is my unfortunate duty to tell you, as you
> > come out
> > > > > >> publicly to seek global support for a WEF centred global
> > > > governance
> > > > > >> initiative.*
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your support, and those of the small splinter group of
> > > > extremists that caucus with you? Well, may the good Lord
> > preserve us
> > > > all from such support.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Your statement says that you are willing to dialogue and work
> > > > together
> > > > > >> with everyone. Some of us from global progressive civil
> > > > society offer
> > > > > >> ourselves for such a dialogue. We have in our hands today the
> > > > interests
> > > > > >> and fate of the people of the world, and of the future
> > > > generations. Let
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That sounds more like a royal "We" than any sort of
> > > > inclusiveness. Do stop trying to speak for civil society at large.
> > > > You don't and have never represented it all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --srs
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Mon Dec  1 20:51:10 2014
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 01:51:10 +0000
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue Dec  2 01:18:07 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:48:07 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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On Tuesday 02 December 2014 03:43 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> snip
>
> We participate in the ITU (I am sure you saw several of us at the PP 
> where we were participatory and not at all disruptive), the IGF, the 
> HRC and work with various other agencies of both the UN and the UN 
> system.  I personally worked with some of the ITU-T architecture and 
> protocol study groups during the last century before WSIS was even a 
> concept.  Currently many of us are knocking on the ITU Council Working 
> Group asking to be let in so we can have a seat at their table.  That 
> is hardly vilification.

You cannot claim that you have not heard of UN and ITU vilification in 
this space. In fact, I contend that a major part of the politics of 
major actors in this space is driven, more or less, by resistance to  
any UN body dealing with IG issues. Never mind that the same 
organisations gladly engage with intergovernmental systems dealing with 
IG inside an OECD or Council of Europe. In my email I mentioned several 
recent instances of such anti-UN ism, for instance

1. Making the very possible mention of Internet in ITU ITRs as a do or 
die issue (never mind in the US the same organisations are now fighting 
for classification of the Internet as a telecommunication service and 
not an information service).

2. Being lukewarm if not actively resistant to proposals at the ITU 
plenipot to take up issues of grave mass scale privacy violations and 
data intrusions, even as the world is reeling under the impact of this 
issue and there is no globally democratic place to deal with this issue 
in its holistic nature.

3. Being lukewarm if not actively resistant to a full scale WSIS plus 10 
political process, at the same level as the WSIS 1 and 2...

4. Having completely resistant or at least very lukewarm attitude to and 
engagement with the UN Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation which was 
trying to seek possible needed institutional reforms/ evolution in the 
global IG space.

Any number of further instances can be given. I just think the above 
suffices to show that going for the WEF/ ICANN's NM Initiative at the 
same time as resisting UN based resolution or institutional development 
is a clear political choice that some have made. Putting our finger to 
that political choice and what we understand are its implications is our 
political duty. We would also obviously resist efforts to simply 
describe this choice in a non-political manner, of 'just trying to get 
all actors in'.

BTW, remember that at the time of initiation of the original NetMundial 
process, not only ICANN but also US government said and I quote from US 
ambassador's speech at Bali IGF, "organizing multistakeholder responses 
to Internet issues that do not have a home today. And we must work 
together with them in good faith on these important issues'. Therefore 
this new WEF/ ICANN NMI is continuation of the same process to deal with 
'orphan Internet issues', the list of which will of course keep 
expanding, The same issues about which the UN spaces are struggling to 
find their feet to deal with, but it are being strongly resisted in such 
attempts by the developed countries and most of the civil society that 
has joined the new NMI now.

So, to repeat, this is a case of particular political choice made by 
civil society groups to prefer an ICANN/ WEF system to deal with 
Internet related public policy issues over a UN or such globally 
democratic system, which is simultaneously being rejected, other than 
some 'rear guard' action kind of residual engagements. We think this is 
both an extremely dangerous thing, and in that respect perhaps historic, 
with regard to possibilities of a democratic governance of the global 
Internet.

parminder


>
> Yes, I object to the idea of the UN or ITU gaining supremacy over the 
> Internet but I and many others have long supported them as equal 
> footing participants in IG functions.
>
> And yes, I would equally object to NMI or WEF gaining supremacy in IG 
> as well.  I do not have the impression that they are trying to do 
> this.  And if they try, we better be there to nip it in the bud. But I 
> support them being equal footing participants in IG in the same way I 
> support the  UN and UN system organizations.
>
> avri
>
>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue Dec  2 01:38:36 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 12:08:36 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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On Tuesday 02 December 2014 03:43 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> snip
>
> Yes, I object to the idea of the UN or ITU gaining supremacy over the 
> Internet but I and many others have long supported them as equal 
> footing participants in IG functions.
>
> And yes, I would equally object to NMI or WEF gaining supremacy in IG 
> as well.  I do not have the impression that they are trying to do 
> this.  And if they try, we better be there to nip it in the bud. But I 
> support them being equal footing participants in IG in the same way I 
> support the  UN and UN system organizations.

'Equal support' and 'equal objection'  to governments and, what is 
essentially, an industry body in taking up public policy roles is an 
interesting stand!

You just see governments as public policy actors at the same level as 
industry bodies. That precisely is the problem.

This is the neoliberal conception of governance, where (even political) 
governance is a kind of a bazaar, where anyone can come in and make 
deals, and those who have the greatest resources to back their deals 
carry the day, opting-in being of course voluntary and basically 
dependent upon how much can one resist a certain configuration of power 
which has entered into a particular deal. Any set of actors is 
'formally' as good as any other, and legitimate political power, based 
on people's representation, and an implied social contract, counts for 
nothing. (In fact this neolib model is constructed precisely to 
overthrow such currently dominant democratic models, and is therefore 
post-democratic, equal-footing multistakeholderism being just a 
convenient name for it.)

Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to 
everything, including those areas in which such principles are not 
normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of 
market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal 
governance model.

One often wonders, and I have thrown this challenge oftentimes in this 
space, why do the same actors not try to propose this model at the 
national levels . Propose that the government(s) and industry 
associations are at the same level in terms of public policy 
development, and they should work together as such. You would get some 
very clear and resounding responses that will tell you whether this 
model is democratic or not. In fact, go even further down to local 
governance level as well and propose the same thing. That is a simple 
test of democracy, isnt it.

parminder




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>
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From avri at acm.org  Tue Dec  2 01:43:13 2014
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:43:13 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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On 02-Dec-14 07:18, parminder wrote:
> You cannot claim that you have not heard of UN and ITU vilification in
> this space.

That i do not deny.

Everything and everyone has been vilified by someone or other at some
point on civil society lists;  that seems in the nature of civil society
lists and we live with it.  Business and the UN/U systems are equitably
vilified by individuals within civil society.

What I am claiming is that it is not systemic and there there are more
examples of people willing to work with the UN and the UN system than
participate in vilification activities. I beleive that most people on
civil society lists accept the interplay of  stakeholders, both
individuals and institutional.

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From suresh at hserus.net  Tue Dec  2 01:45:17 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 12:15:17 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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You are hardly the first to erroneously term multistakeholder governance 
market driven

And please let us not go into that Eric Raymond bazaar analogy to describe 
it either.

What you're essentially claiming is that nobody other than  
intergovernmental and government agencies, and some specific class of civil 
society that shares both an extreme aversion to industry as well as a 
particular affinity to govt / intergovernmental agencies should have a say 
and everybody else should be shut out of the process.

That everybody else being a clear majority, minority views do get listened 
to, subject to stopping short at nonsensical proposals such as what you 
suggest.



On December 2, 2014 12:09:36 PM parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 December 2014 03:43 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> > snip
> >
> > Yes, I object to the idea of the UN or ITU gaining supremacy over the
> > Internet but I and many others have long supported them as equal
> > footing participants in IG functions.
> >
> > And yes, I would equally object to NMI or WEF gaining supremacy in IG
> > as well.  I do not have the impression that they are trying to do
> > this.  And if they try, we better be there to nip it in the bud. But I
> > support them being equal footing participants in IG in the same way I
> > support the  UN and UN system organizations.
>
> 'Equal support' and 'equal objection'  to governments and, what is
> essentially, an industry body in taking up public policy roles is an
> interesting stand!
>
> You just see governments as public policy actors at the same level as
> industry bodies. That precisely is the problem.
>
> This is the neoliberal conception of governance, where (even political)
> governance is a kind of a bazaar, where anyone can come in and make
> deals, and those who have the greatest resources to back their deals
> carry the day, opting-in being of course voluntary and basically
> dependent upon how much can one resist a certain configuration of power
> which has entered into a particular deal. Any set of actors is
> 'formally' as good as any other, and legitimate political power, based
> on people's representation, and an implied social contract, counts for
> nothing. (In fact this neolib model is constructed precisely to
> overthrow such currently dominant democratic models, and is therefore
> post-democratic, equal-footing multistakeholderism being just a
> convenient name for it.)
>
> Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to
> everything, including those areas in which such principles are not
> normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of
> market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal
> governance model.
>
> One often wonders, and I have thrown this challenge oftentimes in this
> space, why do the same actors not try to propose this model at the
> national levels . Propose that the government(s) and industry
> associations are at the same level in terms of public policy
> development, and they should work together as such. You would get some
> very clear and resounding responses that will tell you whether this
> model is democratic or not. In fact, go even further down to local
> governance level as well and propose the same thing. That is a simple
> test of democracy, isnt it.
>
> parminder
>
>
>
>
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
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From avri at acm.org  Tue Dec  2 01:47:03 2014
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:47:03 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
In-Reply-To: <547D5E6C.1090409@itforchange.net>
References: <382183192.11809.1417369632547.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h22> <547B5F68.4090506@cafonso.ca> <547BE6E9.4060206@ITforChange.net> <547C344A.9070808@acm.org> <547C5376.7070101@itforchange.net> <547CE824.1040908@acm.org> <547D5E6C.1090409@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <547D6067.4090306@acm.org>


On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
> Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to
> everything, including those areas in which such principles are not
> normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of
> market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal
> governance model.

You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and
feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and
imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the
label you apply to me.

I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the
tussle among those with different set of principles.

avri
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue Dec  2 02:01:45 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 12:31:45 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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On Tuesday 02 December 2014 12:17 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
>> Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to 
>> everything, including those areas in which such principles are not 
>> normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of 
>> market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal 
>> governance model.
>
> You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and 
> feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and 
> imperialism at other times.

See, here precisely lies the problem. I did nothing other than 
analytically describe the affinity of a particular case in point, the NM 
Initiative, and the CS support to it, with a theoritical model called 
neoliberalism. Now, it is possible to point to deficiency in my equation 
or argument, but call it vilification!!! One could reject that the NMI 
and CS support for it does not further neoliberal model of governance, 
or, as Milton does, own up the neoliberal model of Internet governance, 
but I do not really see the vilification here. And again I associated 
the term with a particular model and a set of political actions around 
it,  and not to any individual behaviour for it to be called as 
vilification. In fact this whole thread begun with wrongly labelling 
political criticism as vilification. Such personalisation of a political 
dialogue takes us nowhere, and makes it difficult to continue with it.

parminder

> I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.
>
> I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in 
> the tussle among those with different set of principles.
>
> avri
>
>
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From suresh at hserus.net  Tue Dec  2 02:07:12 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 12:37:12 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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The problem is that your theoretical model is an artificial construct, one 
that exists only in your own little clique of people and bears little or no 
semblance to actual neo liberalism.

This random repurposing of existing terms in economics and international 
relations into terms of vilification doesn't constitute any theory that I 
am aware of.

And people are trying to get work done here and not play politics. In case 
it escaped your attention



On December 2, 2014 12:32:39 PM parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 December 2014 12:17 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> > On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
> >> Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to
> >> everything, including those areas in which such principles are not
> >> normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of
> >> market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal
> >> governance model.
> >
> > You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and
> > feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and
> > imperialism at other times.
>
> See, here precisely lies the problem. I did nothing other than
> analytically describe the affinity of a particular case in point, the NM
> Initiative, and the CS support to it, with a theoritical model called
> neoliberalism. Now, it is possible to point to deficiency in my equation
> or argument, but call it vilification!!! One could reject that the NMI
> and CS support for it does not further neoliberal model of governance,
> or, as Milton does, own up the neoliberal model of Internet governance,
> but I do not really see the vilification here. And again I associated
> the term with a particular model and a set of political actions around
> it,  and not to any individual behaviour for it to be called as
> vilification. In fact this whole thread begun with wrongly labelling
> political criticism as vilification. Such personalisation of a political
> dialogue takes us nowhere, and makes it difficult to continue with it.
>
> parminder
>
> > I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.
> >
> > I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in
> > the tussle among those with different set of principles.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
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From wjdrake at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 05:12:18 2014
From: wjdrake at gmail.com (William Drake)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:12:18 +0100
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
In-Reply-To: <14a09d2f560.2762.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net>
References: <382183192.11809.1417369632547.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h22> <547B5F68.4090506@cafonso.ca> <547BE6E9.4060206@ITforChange.net> <547C344A.9070808@acm.org> <547C5376.7070101@itforchange.net> <547CE824.1040908@acm.org> <547D5E6C.1090409@itforchange.net> <547D6067.4090306@acm.org> <547D63D9.2020700@itforchange.net> <14a09d2f560.2762.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net>
Message-ID: <1EA13878-258D-4AD3-BFD4-9A5F386A7EDD@gmail.com>

If people wanted to do some politics on which there could be broad agreement, responding to the right wing campaign in the US against the transfer of IANA stewardship from the US to the global community might be worth considering.  This has become increasingly salient with the recent US election and is widely seen on the net.  For a choice example, see the nut campaign being waged on the pages inter alia of the Wall Street Journal, e.g. below.  Why not submit a letter or op-ed?

Halfway to Wrecking Internet Freedom: To forestall censorship by authoritarian governments, the White House must renew the Icann contract. [subscription maybe required]
We’re at the midpoint between the Obama administration’s March announcement that it would end U.S. protection of the open Internet and September 2015, when the change is supposed to happen. During this time, there has been no progress finding an alternative for protecting the Internet from authoritarian governments.
<http://online.wsj.com/articles/gordon-crovitz-halfway-to-wrecking-internet-freedom-1417387404 <http://online.wsj.com/articles/gordon-crovitz-halfway-to-wrecking-internet-freedom-1417387404>>

Bill

> On Dec 2, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> 
> The problem is that your theoretical model is an artificial construct, one that exists only in your own little clique of people and bears little or no semblance to actual neo liberalism.
> 
> This random repurposing of existing terms in economics and international relations into terms of vilification doesn't constitute any theory that I am aware of.
> 
> And people are trying to get work done here and not play politics. In case it escaped your attention 
> On December 2, 2014 12:32:39 PM parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday 02 December 2014 12:17 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
>>>> Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model. 
>>> 
>>> You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times. 
>> 
>> See, here precisely lies the problem. I did nothing other than analytically describe the affinity of a particular case in point, the NM Initiative, and the CS support to it, with a theoritical model called neoliberalism. Now, it is possible to point to deficiency in my equation or argument, but call it vilification!!! One could reject that the NMI and CS support for it does not further neoliberal model of governance, or, as Milton does, own up the neoliberal model of Internet governance, but I do not really see the vilification here. And again I associated the term with a particular model and a set of political actions around it,  and not to any individual behaviour for it to be called as vilification. In fact this whole thread begun with wrongly labelling political criticism as vilification. Such personalisation of a political dialogue takes us nowhere, and makes it difficult to continue with it. 
>> 
>> parminder 
>> 
>>> I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.
>>> 
>>> I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.
>>> 
>>> avri
>>> 
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From suresh at hserus.net  Tue Dec  2 05:19:36 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:49:36 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
In-Reply-To: <1EA13878-258D-4AD3-BFD4-9A5F386A7EDD@gmail.com>
References: <382183192.11809.1417369632547.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h22> <547B5F68.4090506@cafonso.ca> <547BE6E9.4060206@ITforChange.net> <547C344A.9070808@acm.org> <547C5376.7070101@itforchange.net> <547CE824.1040908@acm.org> <547D5E6C.1090409@itforchange.net> <547D6067.4090306@acm.org> <547D63D9.2020700@itforchange.net> <14a09d2f560.2762.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> <1EA13878-258D-4AD3-BFD4-9A5F386A7EDD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECAA4E66-B045-4837-AB8F-24BD06E94489@hserus.net>

Crovitz seems concerned - at least from his words - of an ITU capture of the governance process, which most of us except a certain vocal minority do have issues with.

It might be worth damning that article with faint praise sort of - but at the same time agreeing with crovitz that a capture of the governance process by authoritarian regimes is in no ones interest, whether they be right wing, left wing or us poor neoliberal centrists.

--srs (iPad)

> On 02-Dec-2014, at 15:42, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If people wanted to do some politics on which there could be broad agreement, responding to the right wing campaign in the US against the transfer of IANA stewardship from the US to the global community might be worth considering.  This has become increasingly salient with the recent US election and is widely seen on the net.  For a choice example, see the nut campaign being waged on the pages inter alia of the Wall Street Journal, e.g. below.  Why not submit a letter or op-ed?
> 
> Halfway to Wrecking Internet Freedom: To forestall censorship by authoritarian governments, the White House must renew the Icann contract. [subscription maybe required]
> We’re at the midpoint between the Obama administration’s March announcement that it would end U.S. protection of the open Internet and September 2015, when the change is supposed to happen. During this time, there has been no progress finding an alternative for protecting the Internet from authoritarian governments.
> <http://online.wsj.com/articles/gordon-crovitz-halfway-to-wrecking-internet-freedom-1417387404>
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>> 
>> The problem is that your theoretical model is an artificial construct, one that exists only in your own little clique of people and bears little or no semblance to actual neo liberalism.
>> 
>> This random repurposing of existing terms in economics and international relations into terms of vilification doesn't constitute any theory that I am aware of.
>> 
>> And people are trying to get work done here and not play politics. In case it escaped your attention 
>>> On December 2, 2014 12:32:39 PM parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday 02 December 2014 12:17 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
>>>>> Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model. 
>>>> 
>>>> You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times. 
>>> 
>>> See, here precisely lies the problem. I did nothing other than analytically describe the affinity of a particular case in point, the NM Initiative, and the CS support to it, with a theoritical model called neoliberalism. Now, it is possible to point to deficiency in my equation or argument, but call it vilification!!! One could reject that the NMI and CS support for it does not further neoliberal model of governance, or, as Milton does, own up the neoliberal model of Internet governance, but I do not really see the vilification here. And again I associated the term with a particular model and a set of political actions around it,  and not to any individual behaviour for it to be called as vilification. In fact this whole thread begun with wrongly labelling political criticism as vilification. Such personalisation of a political dialogue takes us nowhere, and makes it difficult to continue with it. 
>>> 
>>> parminder 
>>> 
>>>> I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.
>>>> 
>>>> I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.
>>>> 
>>>> avri
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From joly at punkcast.com  Tue Dec  2 06:01:49 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:01:49 -0500
Subject: [governance] Cross Community Working Group (CWG) draft proposal on
 IANA DNS transition
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3qYw64-ZxrU_PXjkyOsFttzJo=ZZALj8J80awhfQ1BDA@mail.gmail.com>

Administering the DNS root (and a couple of other TLDs) is only one of the
four IANA functions, the others are IP address delegation, protocol
parameters, and the time zone database. But it is the one that is
controversial and has critical accountability concerns. There are sure to
be plenty of comments over the next 3 weeks including - one hopes - yours!


 joly posted: "The Cross Community Working Group (CWG) tasked with
developing to produce a consolidated transition proposal for the elements
of the IANA Functions relating to the Domain Name System (DNS)  has now
published its draft transition proposal for public commen"


[image: iana]The *Cross Community Working Group
<https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Cross+Community+Working+Group+Home>*
(CWG)
tasked with developing to produce a consolidated transition proposal for
the elements of the *IANA Functions relating to the Domain Name System
(DNS)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority#Domain_names>*
has
now published its *draft transition proposal
<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/cwg-naming-transition-2014-12-01-en>*
for
public comment. While emphasizing that the proposal is "interrelated and
interdependent " on results of the  *Cross Community Working Group on
Enhancing ICANN Accountability
<https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>* ("CCWG-Accountability"),
the group proposes the following elements for the transition:

   - The current operational performance of the IANA Naming Functions is
   generally satisfactory to its direct customers, and the community generally
   believes that the current NTIA oversight arrangement has been successful in
   ensuring the accountability of the IANA Functions Operator in that role. As
   such, the objective of the CWG is largely to replicate the roles played by
   the NTIA in the execution and oversight of the IANA Naming Functions as
   faithfully as possible, while acknowledging that certain changes will be
   required to contractual terms and arrangements that are particular to
   contracts entered into with the U.S. government.
   - The CWG does not believe that there is a reason to transition the IANA
   Naming Functions outside of ICANN concurrent with the IANA Stewardship
   Transition. Maintaining this part of the status quo implies that the new
   arrangements post-transition should provide the possibility of replacing
   ICANN as the IANA Functions Operator at a later date, including by means of
   a Request for Proposal (RFP) or other tender process.
   - The proposed replacement solution should not seek to create another
   ICANN-like structure with associated costs and complexities.
   - The proposal should not seek to replace the role of the ICANN
   multi-stakeholder community with respect to policy development for the
   Names Community,  nor to affect existing TLD policies or how they are
   currently applied by the IANA Functions Operator.
   - The existing separation between ICANN as a policy body and ICANN as
   the IANA Functions Operator needs to be reinforced and strengthened.

The group outlines a 4 part structure:

   1. *Contract Co.* – This primary function of this entity (likely a
   non-profit corporation) is to be signatory to the contract with the IANA
   Functions Operator. This entity should be lightweight and have little or no
   staff.
   2. *Multistakeholder Review Team (MRT)* – The MRT would be a
   multi-stakeholder body with formally selected representatives from all of
   the relevant communities (exact composition TBD). The operation of the MRT
   would be based on the concept of maximum public transparency. The
   responsibilities of the MRT will include:
      - Developing the detailed contract terms for the agreement between
      Contract Co. and the IANA Functions Operator, based on the key contract
      terms proposed as part of this proposal and set forth as Annex 3
      - Making key decisions for Contract Co. (e.g., whether or not to
      enter into a rebidding (RFP) process for the operation of the IANA Naming
      Functions)
      - Conducting the IANA Functions Operator Budget Review
      - Addressing any escalation issues raised by the Customer Standing
      Committee (CSC) including the possibility of engaging in enforcement
      - Performing certain elements of administration (including periodic
      performance reviews) currently set forth in the IANA Functions
Contract and
      currently being carried out by the NTIA
      - Managing a re-contracting or rebidding (RFP) process for the
      operation of the IANA Functions, both as an enforcement option
and as part
      of a regular rebidding procedure

   The CWG is in the process of discussing whether there is an additional
   enforcement role for the MRT related to policy implementation by the IANA
   Functions Operator; specifically, whether the MRT should be able to
   commence a proceeding before the Independent Appeals Panel.
   3. *Customer Standing Committee (CSC)* – While the exact composition is
   still to be determined, the CSC would primarily be made up of a number of
   representatives of registry operators, including ccTLD and gTLD
   registries. Input from the CSC would feed into and inform the work of the
   MRT. It is possible that the CSC would also include additional individuals
   with relevant expertise and/or liaisons (or representatives) from
otherSO/ACs.
   The CSC would:
      - Work with the MRT to establish Service Levels and Performance
      Indicators for the performance of the IANA Naming Functions
      - Receive reports from the IANA Functions Operator including regular
      performance reports.
      - Review these reports against established service levels and
      escalate any significant issues to the MRT
   4. *Independent Appeals Panel (IAP)* – The CWG recommends that all IANA
   actions which affect the Root Zone or Root Zone WHOIS database be subject
   to an independent and binding appeals panel. The Appeals Mechanism should
   also cover any policy implementation actions that affect the execution of
   changes to the Root Zone File or Root Zone WHOIS and how relevant policies
   are applied. This need not be a permanent body, but rather could be handled
   the same way as commercial disputes are often resolved, through the use of
   a binding arbitration process using an independent arbitration organization
   (e.g., ICDR, ICC, AAA) or a standing list of qualified people under rules
   promulgated by such an organization.

The CWG requests public comments
<http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-cwg-naming-transition-01dec14/> on
on some specific aspects of  future root management process, including NTIA
involvement, as well as an "alternative" proposal for ICANN itself to take
over the IANA functions. *Deadline for comments is December 22 2014*


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From joly at punkcast.com  Tue Dec  2 07:10:52 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:10:52 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Asia Internet Symposium Chennai 2014
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk0VU6KVHQw9_p=9T5VJDU+y0i6js24TVQJLBz0szcZ4mw@mail.gmail.com>

This is underway. We had audio issues early but it's now running fine. Very
good discussion.


   joly posted: "Today Tuesday December 2 2014 the Internet Society will
present Asia Internet Symposium Chennai 2014 in Chennai, India. The
symposium will have the theme 'India in the Open and Global Internet'. The
Internet Society's Asia Internet Symposium Chennai will"

[image: AIS Chennai]
<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/AIS_chennai_300p.png>Today*
Tuesday December 2 2014* the *Internet Society <http://internetsociety.org>*
will present *Asia Internet Symposium Chennai 2014
<http://www.internetsociety.org/events/asia-internet-symposium-chennai-2014>*
in Chennai, India. The symposium will have the theme '*India in the Open
and Global Internet*'. The Internet Society's Asia Internet Symposium
Chennai will bring together chapter Members and local community Leaders
from Business, Civil Society and Government to learn about current issues
and discuss India's role in Internet Governance and gather inputs on ways
by which India could broadly contribute to the further evolution of the
free and open Global Internet.The event will be organized in two sections.
In the first session, the following key points will be presented on:



* What are the key fears to an open and free Internet? What are the key
Internet governance issues surfacing in India? How to further leverage the
potential of an open Internet for strengthening social and economic
development in India? What are the opportunities to educate public and to
improve their participation in the Internet Governance debates?*
The second session will host a round table discussion to generate broad
thinking on positive ways by which India could broadly contribute to
further the evolution of the Free and Open Internet. The round table is to
bring a very broad discussion that would go beyond India's concerns as a
Nation, and would bring up higher thoughts on ways of strengthening
Internet Governance in a manner that is fair of the whole world. It would
be a meaningful discussion on positive ways by which India could contribute
to the Internet in a manner that it would further the progress of the
Internet as a Free and Open eco-system causing worldwide prosperity and
well being, as also point to solutions to increase global trust and
strengthen the Internet Governance framework. The event will be webcast
live via the* Internet Society Chapters Livestream Channel
<http://bit.ly/isoctv>* Chennai is 10.5 hours ahead of NYC.






*What: Asia Internet Symposium Chennai 2014
<http://www.internetsociety.org/events/asia-internet-symposium-chennai-2014>
Where: Sheraton Park Hotel Chennai When: Tuesday, 02 December 2014 16.30 -
19.45 IST | 11:00-04:15 UTC | 06:00-03:15 EST Program:
http://www.internetsociety.org/events/asia-internet-symposium-chennai-2014
<http://www.internetsociety.org/events/asia-internet-symposium-chennai-2014>
Webcast: http://bit.ly/isoctv <http://bit.ly/isoctv> Twitter: #AISChennai
<https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23AISChennai&src=typd>*


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From jmalcolm at eff.org  Tue Dec  2 14:27:45 2014
From: jmalcolm at eff.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:27:45 -0800
Subject: [governance] Invitation to participate in developing the Manila
 Principles on Intermediary Liability
Message-ID: <547E12B1.70906@eff.org>

On behalf of the steering committee of the Manila Principles project,
participants on this list are invited to join us as we develop the
Manila Principles on Intermediary Liability, which we are aiming to
launch at an event on 22-23 March in Manila, ahead of RightsCon 2015
Southeast Asia.

The Manila Principles will be a best practices framework and set of
baseline safeguards  for regulators and intermediaries to consider when
developing, adopting, and reviewing legislation, policies and practices
that extend liability to intermediaries for online third party content.
Their objective is to promote the development of more principled,
interoperable, and harmonized liability regimes that can promote users'
rights and innovation.

The steering committee of the project which has developed an initial
draft for discussion is a small but geographically diverse group
including Centre for Internet and Society (India), Electronic Frontier
Foundation (EFF) (USA), Article 19 (UK and global), Asociación por los
Derechos Civiles (ADC) (Argentina), Derechos Digitales (Chile), KICTANET
(Kenya), and OpenNet Korea.

The outputs of their initial preparatory work consist of a short
document containing the draft principles themselves, and a longer
background paper which explains the rationale behind them and includes
references to previous work on this topic.   PDF, Word and OpenDocument
versions are available on request, and Google Docs links to both, where
you can add comments, are found here:

  * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kAkqgt3cRb65d8ik6vWYgpk6DYpP8ABA43ljgDiGOf8/edit#heading=h.9kpzf1ul1zfg
    (the Manila Principles)
  * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QfxH1jX_ewfB8TV5iQBSloyttjwaMP47nwblMzN4Hg4/edit#heading=h.tqnj2pprtelu
    (the Background Paper)

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From bzs at world.std.com  Tue Dec  2 14:36:12 2014
From: bzs at world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:36:12 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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I would be more comfortable with this idea of "multistakeholder
governance" if I could understand its processes.

I did once ask for some references to read but did not get any
responses.

By processes I mean:

1. How does a group become a recognized stakeholder?

2. What is the deliberative body of stakeholders and what are its
deliberative rules?

3. How is conflict resolved? Only by vote? Simple majority?

4. Is there a multistakeholder notion of a judiciary? If so what are
its powers, membership, and basis for decision?

5. How are topics for deliberation, what might be called "bills",
introduced? How are competing and/or overlapping or redundant bills
resolved? Is there any filtering mechanism (committees) prior to their
introduction for full deliberation and vote? How are they structured?

6. How are representatives put forth by stakeholder groups chosen? By
whatever process the stakeholder group decides for itself? Is it
beyond the scope of the deliberative body to vet representatives? If
not then what minimum requirements exist? Could a recognized
multistakeholder group send a child or an international fugitive to
represent them? If not then by what process would that individual be
rejected as a representative?

6. Is there a designated executive whose function is to implement
policies agreed by this multistakeholder deliberative body? Does it
have any veto power? For example, in a case where a policy passed
proves unimplementable? And how is that decision contested?

7. How is budget managed both for the multistakeholder processes and
when intended for the larger community? Is there a process for
accounting? If so what controls does such an accounting process have
if a problem is detected? Send it back to the deliberative body?
Request the executive intervene and block further implementation until
problems are resolved? Appeal to some sort of judiciary?

8. By what process is a stakeholder group removed from participation
or added?

I could go on but I can't figure out if this is all just so
hypothetical that I've gotten far ahead of the discussion or I am
being thick-headed and this all should be obvious to me or there
actually is something substantive lacking when the word
"multistakeholder" is used.

If I've gotten far ahead of the discussion then am I also incorrect in
my understanding that decisions to implement a multistakeholder
structure for internet governance are imminent? For example, as a
structure to propose for the IANA transition in less than a year?

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From drc at virtualized.org  Tue Dec  2 14:48:29 2014
From: drc at virtualized.org (David Conrad)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:48:29 -0800
Subject: [governance] Cross Community Working Group (CWG) draft proposal
 on IANA DNS transition
In-Reply-To: <CAM9VJk3qYw64-ZxrU_PXjkyOsFttzJo=ZZALj8J80awhfQ1BDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM9VJk3qYw64-ZxrU_PXjkyOsFttzJo=ZZALj8J80awhfQ1BDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A6B5575-11AB-4817-A401-06E8966BCF22@virtualized.org>

Joly,

Actually, the other IANA Functions are numbers management (which includes IP address and AS number delegation), protocol parameters registry management (management of .ARPA is now considered a protocol parameter management function), and management of .INT.

Timezone database management is not an IANA Function.

Regards,
-drc

On Dec 2, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

>  
> Administering the DNS root (and a couple of other TLDs) is only one of the four IANA functions, the others are IP address delegation, protocol parameters, and the time zone database. But it is the one that is controversial and has critical accountability concerns. There are sure to be plenty of comments over the next 3 weeks including - one hopes - yours!
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> The Cross Community Working Group (CWG) tasked with developing to produce a consolidated transition proposal for the elements of the IANA Functions relating to the Domain Name System (DNS)  has now published its draft transition proposal for public comment. While emphasizing that the proposal is "interrelated and interdependent " on results of the  Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability ("CCWG-Accountability"), the group proposes the following elements for the transition:
> 
> The current operational performance of the IANA Naming Functions is generally satisfactory to its direct customers, and the community generally believes that the current NTIA oversight arrangement has been successful in ensuring the accountability of the IANA Functions Operator in that role. As such, the objective of the CWG is largely to replicate the roles played by the NTIA in the execution and oversight of the IANA Naming Functions as faithfully as possible, while acknowledging that certain changes will be required to contractual terms and arrangements that are particular to contracts entered into with the U.S. government.
> The CWG does not believe that there is a reason to transition the IANA Naming Functions outside of ICANN concurrent with the IANA Stewardship Transition. Maintaining this part of the status quo implies that the new arrangements post-transition should provide the possibility of replacing ICANN as the IANA Functions Operator at a later date, including by means of a Request for Proposal (RFP) or other tender process.
> The proposed replacement solution should not seek to create another ICANN-like structure with associated costs and complexities.
> The proposal should not seek to replace the role of the ICANN multi-stakeholder community with respect to policy development for the Names Community,  nor to affect existing TLD policies or how they are currently applied by the IANA Functions Operator.
> The existing separation between ICANN as a policy body and ICANN as the IANA Functions Operator needs to be reinforced and strengthened.
> The group outlines a 4 part structure:
> 
> Contract Co. – This primary function of this entity (likely a non-profit corporation) is to be signatory to the contract with the IANA Functions Operator. This entity should be lightweight and have little or no staff.
> Multistakeholder Review Team (MRT) – The MRT would be a multi-stakeholder body with formally selected representatives from all of the relevant communities (exact composition TBD). The operation of the MRT would be based on the concept of maximum public transparency. The responsibilities of the MRT will include:
> Developing the detailed contract terms for the agreement between Contract Co. and the IANA Functions Operator, based on the key contract terms proposed as part of this proposal and set forth as Annex 3
> Making key decisions for Contract Co. (e.g., whether or not to enter into a rebidding (RFP) process for the operation of the IANA Naming Functions)
> Conducting the IANA Functions Operator Budget Review
> Addressing any escalation issues raised by the Customer Standing Committee (CSC) including the possibility of engaging in enforcement
> Performing certain elements of administration (including periodic performance reviews) currently set forth in the IANA Functions Contract and currently being carried out by the NTIA
> Managing a re-contracting or rebidding (RFP) process for the operation of the IANA Functions, both as an enforcement option and as part of a regular rebidding procedure
> The CWG is in the process of discussing whether there is an additional enforcement role for the MRT related to policy implementation by the IANA Functions Operator; specifically, whether the MRT should be able to commence a proceeding before the Independent Appeals Panel.
> 
> Customer Standing Committee (CSC) – While the exact composition is still to be determined, the CSC would primarily be made up of a number of representatives of registry operators, including ccTLD and gTLD registries. Input from the CSC would feed into and inform the work of the MRT. It is possible that the CSC would also include additional individuals with relevant expertise and/or liaisons (or representatives) from otherSO/ACs. The CSC would:
> Work with the MRT to establish Service Levels and Performance Indicators for the performance of the IANA Naming Functions
> Receive reports from the IANA Functions Operator including regular performance reports.
> Review these reports against established service levels and escalate any significant issues to the MRT
> Independent Appeals Panel (IAP) – The CWG recommends that all IANA actions which affect the Root Zone or Root Zone WHOIS database be subject to an independent and binding appeals panel. The Appeals Mechanism should also cover any policy implementation actions that affect the execution of changes to the Root Zone File or Root Zone WHOIS and how relevant policies are applied. This need not be a permanent body, but rather could be handled the same way as commercial disputes are often resolved, through the use of a binding arbitration process using an independent arbitration organization (e.g., ICDR, ICC, AAA) or a standing list of qualified people under rules promulgated by such an organization.
> The CWG requests public comments on on some specific aspects of  future root management process, including NTIA involvement, as well as an "alternative" proposal for ICANN itself to take over the IANA functions. Deadline for comments is December 22 2014
> 
>  
> Comment	   See all comments
>  
>  
> Permalink
> http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7266
>  
> 
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From joly at punkcast.com  Tue Dec  2 14:53:47 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:53:47 -0500
Subject: [governance] Cross Community Working Group (CWG) draft proposal
 on IANA DNS transition
In-Reply-To: <6A6B5575-11AB-4817-A401-06E8966BCF22@virtualized.org>
References: <CAM9VJk3qYw64-ZxrU_PXjkyOsFttzJo=ZZALj8J80awhfQ1BDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <6A6B5575-11AB-4817-A401-06E8966BCF22@virtualized.org>
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Ah, don't tell me Wikipedia is wrong! Sacre bleu!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, David Conrad <drc at virtualized.org> wrote:

> Joly,
>
> Actually, the other IANA Functions are numbers management (which includes
> IP address and AS number delegation), protocol parameters registry
> management (management of .ARPA is now considered a protocol parameter
> management function), and management of .INT.
>
> Timezone database management is not an IANA Function.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
> On Dec 2, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>
>
> Administering the DNS root (and a couple of other TLDs) is only one of the
> four IANA functions, the others are IP address delegation, protocol
> parameters, and the time zone database. But it is the one that is
> controversial and has critical accountability concerns. There are sure to
> be plenty of comments over the next 3 weeks including - one hopes - yours!
>
>
>  joly posted: "The Cross Community Working Group (CWG) tasked with
> developing to produce a consolidated transition proposal for the elements
> of the IANA Functions relating to the Domain Name System (DNS)  has now
> published its draft transition proposal for public commen"
>
>
> [image: iana]The *Cross Community Working Group
> <https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Cross+Community+Working+Group+Home>* (CWG)
> tasked with developing to produce a consolidated transition proposal for
> the elements of the *IANA Functions relating to the Domain Name System
> (DNS)
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority#Domain_names>* has
> now published its *draft transition proposal
> <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/cwg-naming-transition-2014-12-01-en>* for
> public comment. While emphasizing that the proposal is "interrelated and
> interdependent " on results of the  *Cross Community Working Group on
> Enhancing ICANN Accountability
> <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>* ("CCWG-Accountability"),
> the group proposes the following elements for the transition:
>
>    - The current operational performance of the IANA Naming Functions is
>    generally satisfactory to its direct customers, and the community generally
>    believes that the current NTIA oversight arrangement has been successful in
>    ensuring the accountability of the IANA Functions Operator in that role. As
>    such, the objective of the CWG is largely to replicate the roles played by
>    the NTIA in the execution and oversight of the IANA Naming Functions as
>    faithfully as possible, while acknowledging that certain changes will be
>    required to contractual terms and arrangements that are particular to
>    contracts entered into with the U.S. government.
>    - The CWG does not believe that there is a reason to transition the
>    IANA Naming Functions outside of ICANN concurrent with the IANA Stewardship
>    Transition. Maintaining this part of the status quo implies that the new
>    arrangements post-transition should provide the possibility of replacing
>    ICANN as the IANA Functions Operator at a later date, including by means of
>    a Request for Proposal (RFP) or other tender process.
>    - The proposed replacement solution should not seek to create another
>    ICANN-like structure with associated costs and complexities.
>    - The proposal should not seek to replace the role of the ICANN
>    multi-stakeholder community with respect to policy development for the
>    Names Community,  nor to affect existing TLD policies or how they are
>    currently applied by the IANA Functions Operator.
>    - The existing separation between ICANN as a policy body and ICANN as
>    the IANA Functions Operator needs to be reinforced and strengthened.
>
> The group outlines a 4 part structure:
>
>    1. *Contract Co.* – This primary function of this entity (likely a
>    non-profit corporation) is to be signatory to the contract with the IANA
>    Functions Operator. This entity should be lightweight and have little or no
>    staff.
>    2. *Multistakeholder Review Team (MRT)* – The MRT would be a
>    multi-stakeholder body with formally selected representatives from all of
>    the relevant communities (exact composition TBD). The operation of the MRT
>    would be based on the concept of maximum public transparency. The
>    responsibilities of the MRT will include:
>       - Developing the detailed contract terms for the agreement between
>       Contract Co. and the IANA Functions Operator, based on the key contract
>       terms proposed as part of this proposal and set forth as Annex 3
>       - Making key decisions for Contract Co. (e.g., whether or not to
>       enter into a rebidding (RFP) process for the operation of the IANA Naming
>       Functions)
>       - Conducting the IANA Functions Operator Budget Review
>       - Addressing any escalation issues raised by the Customer Standing
>       Committee (CSC) including the possibility of engaging in enforcement
>       - Performing certain elements of administration (including periodic
>       performance reviews) currently set forth in the IANA Functions Contract and
>       currently being carried out by the NTIA
>       - Managing a re-contracting or rebidding (RFP) process for the
>       operation of the IANA Functions, both as an enforcement option and as part
>       of a regular rebidding procedure
>
>    The CWG is in the process of discussing whether there is an additional
>    enforcement role for the MRT related to policy implementation by the IANA
>    Functions Operator; specifically, whether the MRT should be able to
>    commence a proceeding before the Independent Appeals Panel.
>    3. *Customer Standing Committee (CSC)* – While the exact composition
>    is still to be determined, the CSC would primarily be made up of a number
>    of representatives of registry operators, including ccTLD and gTLD
>    registries. Input from the CSC would feed into and inform the work of the
>    MRT. It is possible that the CSC would also include additional individuals
>    with relevant expertise and/or liaisons (or representatives) from otherSO/ACs.
>    The CSC would:
>       - Work with the MRT to establish Service Levels and Performance
>       Indicators for the performance of the IANA Naming Functions
>       - Receive reports from the IANA Functions Operator including
>       regular performance reports.
>       - Review these reports against established service levels and
>       escalate any significant issues to the MRT
>    4. *Independent Appeals Panel (IAP)* – The CWG recommends that all
>    IANA actions which affect the Root Zone or Root Zone WHOIS database be
>    subject to an independent and binding appeals panel. The Appeals Mechanism
>    should also cover any policy implementation actions that affect the
>    execution of changes to the Root Zone File or Root Zone WHOIS and how
>    relevant policies are applied. This need not be a permanent body, but
>    rather could be handled the same way as commercial disputes are often
>    resolved, through the use of a binding arbitration process using an
>    independent arbitration organization (e.g., ICDR, ICC, AAA) or a standing
>    list of qualified people under rules promulgated by such an organization.
>
> The CWG requests public comments
> <http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-cwg-naming-transition-01dec14/> on
> on some specific aspects of  future root management process, including NTIA
> involvement, as well as an "alternative" proposal for ICANN itself to take
> over the IANA functions. *Deadline for comments is December 22 2014*
>
>
> Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7266#respond>   See all comments
> <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7266#comments>
>
>
> *Permalink*
> http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7266
>
>
>
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From joly at punkcast.com  Tue Dec  2 23:55:43 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 23:55:43 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBINARS Re: Cross Community Working Group (CWG) draft
 proposal on IANA DNS transition
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3aMtcWrvWXodsdWVVfMVEbECrpxeNobLPrjLqwtkcecA@mail.gmail.com>

Further to this proposal, various Webinars have been announced for this
week and next week on the IANA Stewardship Transition.. Thanks to Olivier
Crepin-Leblond we have the following summary.


*Webinars of the CWG on Naming Related Functions Public Consultation on
Draft Transition Proposal*:
- 3 December from 7:00 – 8:30 UTC | 02:00-03:30 EST
- 4 December from 12:30 – 14:00 UTC | 07:30 - 09:00 EST
- 4 December from 16:00 – 17:30 UTC | 11:00 - 12:30 EST

These Webinars are repeats of each other and are organised and Chaired by
the Community Working Group (CWG) which is presenting a first draft of the
Naming Communities input to the IANA Stewardship Transition process. This
Webinar will be used to explain the contents of the First Draft of the
Proposal. This will really help in understanding the draft which is
currently under Public Comment from 1 to 22 December 2014. I highly
recommend you attend at least one of them.

More details: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-12-01-en

------

*Capacity Building Program Webinar #1:*
*- Wednesday 3 December 2014 13:00 - 14:00 UTC | 08:00 - 09:00 EST*
*IANA Functions (standards, Numbering and Naming) - Patrik Fältström*

Are you interested in this topic but do not know where to start? This
Webinar is for you!
Indeed, this Webinar is a great introduction about all of the IANA
Functions, introduced by the Chairman of the ICANN Security and Stability
Advisory Committee. He is an expert! If you are interested in what is
probably one of the key topics for the year and want to learn about it,
then do not miss this Webinar!  Tell anyone who is interested! Watch,
listen, learn and ask questions - that's what this Webinar is about.

The draft Agenda and call details are on:
https://community.icann.org/x/2zrxAg



*------Capacity Building Program Webinar #2:*
*- Wednesday 10 December 2014 21:00 - 22:30 UTC*
*IANA Naming Issues by IANA Issues WG*

This Webinar will have the members of the At-Large IANA Naming Issues
working group explain the proposed ALAC response to the Public Comment
period that has opened on 1 December and will close on 22 December 2014.
This is your chance ask any questions about the proposed response and to
comment on it too! However, we highly recommend that you attend the above
capacity building Webinar before to better understand the issues and at
least one of the three CWG Webinars above to learn about the CWG's First
Draft.

Call details for this Webinar will be sent out in due course. Reserve the
time slot now!

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

>
> Administering the DNS root (and a couple of other TLDs) is only one of the
> four IANA functions, the others are IP address delegation, protocol
> parameters, and the time zone database. But it is the one that is
> controversial and has critical accountability concerns. There are sure to
> be plenty of comments over the next 3 weeks including - one hopes - yours!
>
>
>  joly posted: "The Cross Community Working Group (CWG) tasked with
> developing to produce a consolidated transition proposal for the elements
> of the IANA Functions relating to the Domain Name System (DNS)  has now
> published its draft transition proposal for public commen"
>
>
> [image: iana]The *Cross Community Working Group
> <https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Cross+Community+Working+Group+Home>* (CWG)
> tasked with developing to produce a consolidated transition proposal for
> the elements of the *IANA Functions relating to the Domain Name System
> (DNS)
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority#Domain_names>* has
> now published its *draft transition proposal
> <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/cwg-naming-transition-2014-12-01-en>* for
> public comment. While emphasizing that the proposal is "interrelated and
> interdependent " on results of the  *Cross Community Working Group on
> Enhancing ICANN Accountability
> <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>* ("CCWG-Accountability"),
> the group proposes the following elements for the transition:
>
>    - The current operational performance of the IANA Naming Functions is
>    generally satisfactory to its direct customers, and the community generally
>    believes that the current NTIA oversight arrangement has been successful in
>    ensuring the accountability of the IANA Functions Operator in that role. As
>    such, the objective of the CWG is largely to replicate the roles played by
>    the NTIA in the execution and oversight of the IANA Naming Functions as
>    faithfully as possible, while acknowledging that certain changes will be
>    required to contractual terms and arrangements that are particular to
>    contracts entered into with the U.S. government.
>    - The CWG does not believe that there is a reason to transition the
>    IANA Naming Functions outside of ICANN concurrent with the IANA Stewardship
>    Transition. Maintaining this part of the status quo implies that the new
>    arrangements post-transition should provide the possibility of replacing
>    ICANN as the IANA Functions Operator at a later date, including by means of
>    a Request for Proposal (RFP) or other tender process.
>    - The proposed replacement solution should not seek to create another
>    ICANN-like structure with associated costs and complexities.
>    - The proposal should not seek to replace the role of the ICANN
>    multi-stakeholder community with respect to policy development for the
>    Names Community,  nor to affect existing TLD policies or how they are
>    currently applied by the IANA Functions Operator.
>    - The existing separation between ICANN as a policy body and ICANN as
>    the IANA Functions Operator needs to be reinforced and strengthened.
>
> The group outlines a 4 part structure:
>
>    1. *Contract Co.* – This primary function of this entity (likely a
>    non-profit corporation) is to be signatory to the contract with the IANA
>    Functions Operator. This entity should be lightweight and have little or no
>    staff.
>    2. *Multistakeholder Review Team (MRT)* – The MRT would be a
>    multi-stakeholder body with formally selected representatives from all of
>    the relevant communities (exact composition TBD). The operation of the MRT
>    would be based on the concept of maximum public transparency. The
>    responsibilities of the MRT will include:
>       - Developing the detailed contract terms for the agreement between
>       Contract Co. and the IANA Functions Operator, based on the key contract
>       terms proposed as part of this proposal and set forth as Annex 3
>       - Making key decisions for Contract Co. (e.g., whether or not to
>       enter into a rebidding (RFP) process for the operation of the IANA Naming
>       Functions)
>       - Conducting the IANA Functions Operator Budget Review
>       - Addressing any escalation issues raised by the Customer Standing
>       Committee (CSC) including the possibility of engaging in enforcement
>       - Performing certain elements of administration (including periodic
>       performance reviews) currently set forth in the IANA Functions Contract and
>       currently being carried out by the NTIA
>       - Managing a re-contracting or rebidding (RFP) process for the
>       operation of the IANA Functions, both as an enforcement option and as part
>       of a regular rebidding procedure
>
>    The CWG is in the process of discussing whether there is an additional
>    enforcement role for the MRT related to policy implementation by the IANA
>    Functions Operator; specifically, whether the MRT should be able to
>    commence a proceeding before the Independent Appeals Panel.
>    3. *Customer Standing Committee (CSC)* – While the exact composition
>    is still to be determined, the CSC would primarily be made up of a number
>    of representatives of registry operators, including ccTLD and gTLD
>    registries. Input from the CSC would feed into and inform the work of the
>    MRT. It is possible that the CSC would also include additional individuals
>    with relevant expertise and/or liaisons (or representatives) from otherSO/ACs.
>    The CSC would:
>       - Work with the MRT to establish Service Levels and Performance
>       Indicators for the performance of the IANA Naming Functions
>       - Receive reports from the IANA Functions Operator including
>       regular performance reports.
>       - Review these reports against established service levels and
>       escalate any significant issues to the MRT
>    4. *Independent Appeals Panel (IAP)* – The CWG recommends that all
>    IANA actions which affect the Root Zone or Root Zone WHOIS database be
>    subject to an independent and binding appeals panel. The Appeals Mechanism
>    should also cover any policy implementation actions that affect the
>    execution of changes to the Root Zone File or Root Zone WHOIS and how
>    relevant policies are applied. This need not be a permanent body, but
>    rather could be handled the same way as commercial disputes are often
>    resolved, through the use of a binding arbitration process using an
>    independent arbitration organization (e.g., ICDR, ICC, AAA) or a standing
>    list of qualified people under rules promulgated by such an organization.
>
> The CWG requests public comments
> <http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-cwg-naming-transition-01dec14/> on
> on some specific aspects of  future root management process, including NTIA
> involvement, as well as an "alternative" proposal for ICANN itself to take
> over the IANA functions. *Deadline for comments is December 22 2014*
>
>
> Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7266#respond>   See all comments
> <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7266#comments>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Permalink*
> http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7266
>
>
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From skiden at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 02:47:26 2014
From: skiden at gmail.com (Sarah Kiden)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:47:26 +0300
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Uganda IGF 2014 - Remote Participation
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Dear members,

If anyone is interested in participating in the Uganda Internet Governance
Forum happening now, please see remote participation details below.

Thanks,
Sarah

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Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2014
Subject: Uganda IGF 2014 - Remote Participation
To: "members at isoc.ug" <members at isoc.ug>


Dear members,

This is a reminder about the Uganda IGF which is happening today, 3
December, 2014 at Imperial Royale Hotel starting at 8:00am.

If you cannot attend the meeting in person, remote participation will
be available. Please see details below:

*Join* *WebEx* *meeting*
https://isoc.webex.com/isoc/j.php?MTID=me2a12060a76c2d996406eb45d6964779
Meeting number: 928 659 899
Meeting password: UGIGF

*Join* *by* *phone*
1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
Access code: 928 659 899
Global call-in numbers

NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and other
information sent during the session to be recorded, which may
be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you
automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being
recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the session.

You may also find updates through social media:
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/internetsocietyug
Twitter: @isocug
Hashtag: #UIGF14

Regards,
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From joly at punkcast.com  Wed Dec  3 04:38:48 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 04:38:48 -0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Uganda IGF 2014 - Remote Participation
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:47 AM, Sarah Kiden <skiden at gmail.com> wrote:

> #UIGF14


Thanks, Sarah! Better late than never! Posted at http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7285

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From judith at jhellerstein.com  Wed Dec  3 09:35:39 2014
From: judith at jhellerstein.com (Judith Hellerstein)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:35:39 -0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Cato Conference: The 2014 Cato Institute
 Surveillance Conference, December 12, 2014
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From mueller at syr.edu  Wed Dec  3 12:10:35 2014
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:10:35 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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 <547B5F68.4090506@cafonso.ca> <547BE6E9.4060206@ITforChange.net>
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Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion?

First, neo-liberalism is not per se a “vile label” unless you think liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features of liberalism as an ideology or movement.

Neo-liberalism in literal terms simply refers to the revival of liberal thought that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s (i.e., “neo” + “liberal”) following the economic stagnation brought on by the excesses of the social democracy and regulatory state that emerged in the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think of the economic liberalizations of that period, it’s pretty hard to argue with the record of stagflation, budget crises of the welfare state, slowing or declining growth, and a record of complete failure by socialist/communist economies that occurred in that period.

Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from market forces were failing and could be improved through the introduction of competition and market forces.

The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash against trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to market forces and grew tremendously as a result.

When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am referring to several largely indisputable facts:

a)      Prior to ‘neoliberal’ policies the telecom system was the epitome of social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces were largely absent.

b)      The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of neoliberalism need to own up to this.

c)       Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive decreases in pricing for telecom services

d)      Free trade agreements for IT equipment and “information services” made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across the world regardless of state censorship or regulation

In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development and freedom, and you want to have an intelligent discussion of the role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things need to be taken into account. If you want to call people names, I’m not interested.

--MM

From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:47 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br


On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model.

You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.

I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.

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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 12:21:47 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:21:47 -0400
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS letter
 to NMI - Net Mundial
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Date: 3 Dec 2014 12:50
Subject: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS letter to NMI - Net
Mundial
To: "LatinoamerICANN" <latinoamericann at dgroups.org>
Cc:

FYI

Inicio del mensaje reenviado:

*De: *WEISE Constance <constance.weise at iccwbo.org>
*Para: *"discuss at 1net.org" <discuss at 1net.org>
*Fecha: *3 de diciembre de 2014, 11:06:15 GMT-5
*Asunto: **[discuss] ICC BASIS letter to NMI*


Please see below the letter from ICC BASIS that was sent to the NETmundial
Initiative Transitional Committee, accessible at:


http://www.iccwbo.org/Data/Documents/Basis/Internet-governance/2014/ICC-BASIS-questions-submitted-to-NETmundial-Initiative-Transitional-Committee/


We are looking forward to the responses to these questions and hope that
they might be shared widely with the community of stakeholders.
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To:
NETmundial Initiative Transitional Committee:


Virgilio Augusto Fernandes Almeida
Secretary for Information Technology Policy for the Ministry of Science,
Technology and Innovation of Brazil


Fadi Chehadé
President And Chief Executive Officer Of ICANN


Richard Samans
Managing Director and Member of the Managing Board, World Economic Forum




28 November 2014




ICC BASIS writes in response to the NETmundial Initiative (NMI)
announcement on 6 November 2014. NMI, ICC BASIS members agree with the
conveners of the NETMundial Initiative (NMI) that there is a need to work
together in a collaborative fashion toward developing solutions for
pressing Internet Governance issues. However, ICC BASIS has concerns as to
how this relatively new initiative will feed into already existing efforts.



To begin, we feel strongly that the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is the
appropriate forum for the exchange ideas and information, which in turn
raises awareness and drives toward consensus and progress on Internet
Governance issues.  The bottom-up process for planning, executing, and
participating in the IGF reflects the core tenets of the multistakeholder
model. There has also been significant commentary online, including by some
of the Internet governance (IG) community’s most respected organizations
such as the Internet Society (ISOC), regarding the inconsistencies between
NMI’s processes and those that are generally regarded as important for a
multistakeholder, bottom-up, decentralized, open, transparent, and
accountable selection and discussion format ICC BASIS agrees with many of
the views expressed.


Based on the information available to date ICC BASIS members oppose the NMI
as established, conceived, and structured. The process that has led to the
establishment and structure of the NMI was not multistakeholder in that the
creation and scope of the NMI appears to be largely conceived through
closed conversations with only a few stakeholders present. Our members also
have serious concerns with the lack of clarity regarding the rules of
procedure for the actual work of the NMI.  With this in mind, ICC BASIS
shares the views of ISOC and other stakeholders and cannot endorse the NMI
resulting from this process of formation or current form and structure.


Having said that ICC BASIS members understand that there is a pressing need
to address real concerns related to global Internet governance and as such
we continue to discuss how best to advance the continued effectiveness of
the IGF and other Internet governance organizations more broadly.


In order to ascertain whether NMI could be a forum that addresses such
concerns, we have read through the FAQs, which NMI recently posted
online.  After
doing so, we continue to have questions and requests for
clarification.  Therefore,
we seek answers to the questions below and call for more time to be allowed
for such questions to be explored and any subsequent follow up that the
responses may require.

*Formation and Governance*

1.    How long is the NMI expected to last?


2.    NMI decided to pre-allocate five seats on the Coordination Council
(CC), one each to the Brazilian Internet Steering committee (CGI.br
<http://cgi.br/>), World Economic Forum (WEF), Internet Cooperation for
Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), IGF Multistakeholder Advisory Group
(MAG), and I* Organizations.
(i)    What was the process that led to this decision and was there any
discussion or consultation more broadly in this regard?
(ii)   Are these seats expected to be permanent, or subject to rotation,
and what is the process / duration thereof?
(iii)  Will their roles or obligations be different from the rest of the 20
members on the proposed CC?


3.    The pre-conditions for being nominated to the NMI CC include,
“embrace the NETmundial Principles” and, “sign your name as a public
advocate of NETmundial Principles.” However, the NETmundial Principles are
a set of “non-binding statements” that, in spite of being well regarded,
may or may not be acceptable to individuals, organizations, or governments
in their entirety, or in part.  Furthermore, both government and industry
stakeholders may be limited in their ability to sign on to such documents
because of the legal approval processes in their organizations.
(i)    Does the pre-condition mean that those who either do not agree with
the Principles, or agree with them only partially, will not be allowed to
participate in the NETmundial Initiative?
(ii)   What if such organizations or governments have a significant role to
play in meeting NMI’s stated objectives? Will they be prohibited from
participating?


4.    Each member of the business community represents an entire business
organization - in some cases publicly held companies. In such cases, if the
CC selection criteria, which state, “if representing an organization, the
nominee must confirm that their organization will officially embrace the
NETmundial Principles”, is to be met, it could have serious, legal and
wide-ranging implications on the nominee and their organization. Further,
this is at odds with the “non-binding” character of NETmundial
Principles.  Practically
speaking, such a pre-condition could render business membership out of
reckoning as a CC nominee. This could also be true for governments as well
as other stakeholders.
(i)    Has such a consequence been anticipated? What is NMI’s response to
this issue, which has severe implications on nominees from the private
sector, and by consequence, the constitution of a multistakeholder CC?


5.    The nomination process is unclear. If the intent is to have broad
representation of stakeholder interests, then one would assume a similar
process of self-organization that happened in the lead-up to NETmundial
would be utilized.
(i)    How is this self-nomination process going to provide any assurance
of breadth of representation in terms of the broad communities’ interest
beyond the viewpoints of five individuals?


*Objectives*

6.    If NMI is be a true multistakeholder initiative, it seems
counterintuitive that many topics related to the range of possible outcomes
and issues to be discussed have been decided without any credible
multistakeholder consultation.
(i)    Should what has been suggested so far merely be considered a draft
proposal?
(ii)   Can NMI clarify the source and nature of the inputs?


7.    One of the objectives defined under NMI relates to “crowdsourcing of
enablers and solutions from the global community.” While this certainly
seems like an innovative idea, there are serious constraints on
stakeholders such as the private sector, and to a large extent,
governments, who are only allowed to submit “approved positions”, which in
turn require substantive time and internal approval processes. This would
leave the private sector as well as other stakeholders at a serious
disadvantage to engage meaningfully in NMI.
(i)    How does NMI plan to address the different pace and processes
followed amongst multistakeholder groups, when requiring formal submissions?


8.    The second NMI objective requires “crowd-funding to finance/support
the development and implementation of such enablers and solutions.” Again,
some of the stakeholders, especially the private sector and likely some
governments, are not allowed to engage in “fundraising” or “crowd-funding”
activities as a part of their corporate discipline, ethics, or terms of
employment.
(i)    How would all stakeholders participate meaningfully in this
objective?


9.    Even though the NETmundial Principles were framed as a “non-binding
outcome”, the NETmundial list of potential “solutions” includes,
“regulations, directives, contracts and/or other agreements”.
(i)    How does NMI plan to reconcile the contradiction that arises between
the basic “non-binding” characteristic of the NETmundial Principles and the
range of solutions articulated by the NMI?


10.  The NMI has pre-identified “issues ranging from cyber security to user
privacy” as those which need to be addressed “urgently”.  Other issues,
including providing access to the remaining four billion citizens – have
also been identified as issues that need to be addressed under the
NETmundial Principles and in other forums where Internet governance is
discussed.
(i)    What consultation has occurred to reach a conclusion on priorities?


11.  Assuming that a set of issues were identified that require further
attention, it is entirely possible that the organizers decide which issues
CC members will bring different views on the mechanisms to address
respective issues.
(i)    How would these issues be reconciled within the NMI procedure?
(ii)   Will the decision of the 25 Council members be final, or will
observers be allowed to intervene in the discussions?
(iii)  How will decisions be reached – by vote, by consensus?


12.  Amongst the “solutions” listed on the NMI website, some, such as
“regulations”, etc., will require buy-in by governments and international
forums for implementation.
(i)    How will the 25 CC members ensure such implementation?
(ii)   What will be the source for funding such an effort, and how will
such an effort become self-sustaining?

*Relationship to other organizations and initiatives*

13.  The United Nations Commission on Science and Technology for
Development (CSTD) Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation, 43 Working Group
members consisting of governments, international organizations, civil
society, private sector, and technical community, under the Chairmanship of
Mr. Peter Major, has been working to map Internet governance issues and
matching mechanisms. It seems the NMI expects to do much of the same.


14.  How would the NMI work differ from the CSTD effort and avoid
duplication? The existing Internet Governance ecosystem includes specific
organizations and forums including ISOC, IETF, the IAB, ICANN, IGF, the
WSIS process and more.
(i)    How will the NMI work with other organizations that are actively
considering the Internet governance issues?
(ii)   Will formal relationships be established to coordinate and leverage
the different work initiatives, or is it assumed that those with seats on
the CC will also be responsible for this coordination?


15.  The NETmundial Outcome Statement recognized the need for strengthening
the IGF and noted the recommendations of the CSTD working group on IGF
Improvements.
(i)    How will NMI contribute to accelerating implementation of the
recommended IGF improvements?
(ii)   Does CGI.br <http://cgi.br/>’s role as one of the five
pre-identified CC members result from the fact that Brazil hosted the
NETmundial conference or is it because they are hosting the next IGF in
November 2015?
(iii)  Would the host for IGF 2016 be replacing CGI.br <http://cgi.br/> next
year as has been stated by Mr Virgilio Almeida in his video message on the
NMI website?
(iv) Is singling out one of UN’s 195 member states acceptable to other
stakeholders?


Answers to the above questions are required in order for ICC BASIS and
other stakeholders to have a fulsome debate on NMI. As such, we think it is
essential to extend the debate into 2015 so as to give the business
community as well as other stakeholders the time necessary to determine
possible next steps.


ICC BASIS believes that at its very core, the Internet must remain a
decentralized and distributed system that allows multistakeholder groups to
participate meaningfully in the identification and resolution of issues by
leveraging their respective expertise. This multistakeholder engagement
ensures an ecosystem that invites and facilitates stakeholders’
participation, through publicly defined, transparent, and collaborative
initiatives, to advance the capability of the Internet to empower people,
including those who currently remain unconnected to the Internet. Business
remains firmly committed to supporting the role of the IGF and improving
current mechanisms within its mandate and current organizing principles –
namely as a body that fosters exchanges that lead to solutions and helps to
reach consensus, as opposed to a negotiating body where participants’
energy is diverted from capacity and consensus-building to drafting
negotiated outcomes.


ICC BASIS is concerned about the business community’s ability to
participate meaningfully in any initiative which has pre-defined criteria
for nomination and objectives as outputs. We are also concerned about the
NMI’s ability to pursue its objectives in the face of such pre-conditions
and objections from essential stakeholders. There is an absolute need for
greater clarity and meaningful transparency in decision-making processes
and criteria; proposed objectives and means of accomplishing them; and
anticipated relationships with existing bodies like the IGF.  We seek your
prompt response to the issues above and will come back for any further
clarifications that might arise, as we continue the discussion within our
community.




Regards,


Joe Alhadeff


Chair, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) Commission on the Digital
Economy and Representative of ICC BASIS

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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Wed Dec  3 14:05:15 2014
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:05:15 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
In-Reply-To: <d9f20a4ab4ef40979ddff7377bda2461@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu>
References: <382183192.11809.1417369632547.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h22>
 <547B5F68.4090506@cafonso.ca> <547BE6E9.4060206@ITforChange.net>
 <547C344A.9070808@acm.org> <547C5376.7070101@itforchange.net>
 <547CE824.1040908@acm.org> <547D5E6C.1090409@itforchange.net>
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Milton,


You are being too kind in describing the abject failure of those past non-neo-liberal policies, which had truly vile effects.


Waiting lists stretched up to...12 years...for a simple landline phone, in admittedly 'worst' cases.


Post-liberalization entry of mobile phones uncovered such extreme unmet demand that 1st mobiles (with service subscription) could sell for up to $50,000 - 20 years ago, in one case I am familiar with. Yeah that's right, when all one could do with a mobile was make a call.


Lee



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From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 12:10 PM
To: 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net'
Subject: RE: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br

Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion?

First, neo-liberalism is not per se a “vile label” unless you think liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features of liberalism as an ideology or movement.

Neo-liberalism in literal terms simply refers to the revival of liberal thought that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s (i.e., “neo” + “liberal”) following the economic stagnation brought on by the excesses of the social democracy and regulatory state that emerged in the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think of the economic liberalizations of that period, it’s pretty hard to argue with the record of stagflation, budget crises of the welfare state, slowing or declining growth, and a record of complete failure by socialist/communist economies that occurred in that period.

Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from market forces were failing and could be improved through the introduction of competition and market forces.

The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash against trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to market forces and grew tremendously as a result.

When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am referring to several largely indisputable facts:

a)      Prior to ‘neoliberal’ policies the telecom system was the epitome of social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces were largely absent.

b)      The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of neoliberalism need to own up to this.

c)       Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive decreases in pricing for telecom services

d)      Free trade agreements for IT equipment and “information services” made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across the world regardless of state censorship or regulation

In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development and freedom, and you want to have an intelligent discussion of the role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things need to be taken into account. If you want to call people names, I’m not interested.

--MM

From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:47 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br


On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model.

You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.

I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.

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From vanda at uol.com.br  Wed Dec  3 14:40:08 2014
From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:40:08 -0200
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS
 letter to NMI - Net Mundial
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Hi Deirdre

 For me the letter is good. Touches all  key points.
Kisses 
Vanda Scartezini
Polo Consultores Associados
Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004
01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464
Sorry for any typos.


From:  "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
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Date:  Wednesday, December 3, 2014 at 15:21
To:  "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject:  [governance] Fwd: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS
letter to NMI - Net Mundial

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Date: 3 Dec 2014 12:50
Subject: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS letter to NMI  - Net
Mundial
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Cc: 

FYI

> Inicio del mensaje reenviado:
> 
> De: WEISE Constance <constance.weise at iccwbo.org>
> Para: "discuss at 1net.org" <discuss at 1net.org>
> Fecha: 3 de diciembre de 2014, 11:06:15 GMT-5
> Asunto: [discuss] ICC BASIS letter to NMI
> 
>  
> 
> Please see below the letter from ICC BASIS that was sent to the NETmundial
> Initiative Transitional Committee, accessible at:
>  
> http://www.iccwbo.org/Data/Documents/Basis/Internet-governance/2014/ICC-BASIS-
> questions-submitted-to-NETmundial-Initiative-Transitional-Committee/
> <http://www.iccwbo.org/Data/Documents/Basis/Internet-governance/2014/ICC-BASIS
> -questions-submitted-to-NETmundial-Initiative-Transitional-Committee/>
>  
> We are looking forward to the responses to these questions and hope that they
> might be shared widely with the community of stakeholders.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> To:
> NETmundial Initiative Transitional Committee:
>  
> Virgilio Augusto Fernandes Almeida
> Secretary for Information Technology Policy for the Ministry of Science,
> Technology and Innovation of Brazil
>  
> Fadi Chehadé
> President And Chief Executive Officer Of ICANN
>  
> Richard Samans
> Managing Director and Member of the Managing Board, World Economic Forum
>  
>  
> 28 November 2014
>  
>  
> ICC BASIS writes in response to the NETmundial Initiative (NMI) announcement
> on 6 November 2014. NMI, ICC BASIS members agree with the conveners of the
> NETMundial Initiative (NMI) that there is a need to work together in a
> collaborative fashion toward developing solutions for pressing Internet
> Governance issues. However, ICC BASIS has concerns as to how this relatively
> new initiative will feed into already existing efforts.
>  
> To begin, we feel strongly that the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is the
> appropriate forum for the exchange ideas and information, which in turn raises
> awareness and drives toward consensus and progress on Internet Governance
> issues.  The bottom-up process for planning, executing, and participating in
> the IGF reflects the core tenets of the multistakeholder model. There has also
> been significant commentary online, including by some of the Internet
> governance (IG) community¹s most respected organizations such as the Internet
> Society (ISOC), regarding the inconsistencies between NMI¹s processes and
> those that are generally regarded as important for a multistakeholder,
> bottom-up, decentralized, open, transparent, and accountable selection and
> discussion format ICC BASIS agrees with many of the views expressed.
>  
> Based on the information available to date ICC BASIS members oppose the NMI as
> established, conceived, and structured. The process that has led to the
> establishment and structure of the NMI was not multistakeholder in that the
> creation and scope of the NMI appears to be largely conceived through closed
> conversations with only a few stakeholders present. Our members also have
> serious concerns with the lack of clarity regarding the rules of procedure for
> the actual work of the NMI.  With this in mind, ICC BASIS shares the views of
> ISOC and other stakeholders and cannot endorse the NMI resulting from this
> process of formation or current form and structure.
>  
> Having said that ICC BASIS members understand that there is a pressing need to
> address real concerns related to global Internet governance and as such we
> continue to discuss how best to advance the continued effectiveness of the IGF
> and other Internet governance organizations more broadly.
>  
> In order to ascertain whether NMI could be a forum that addresses such
> concerns, we have read through the FAQs, which NMI recently posted online.
> After doing so, we continue to have questions and requests for clarification.
> Therefore, we seek answers to the questions below and call for more time to be
> allowed for such questions to be explored and any subsequent follow up that
> the responses may require.
>  
> Formation and Governance
>  
> 1.    How long is the NMI expected to last?
>  
> 2.    NMI decided to pre-allocate five seats on the Coordination Council (CC),
> one each to the Brazilian Internet Steering committee (CGI.br <http://cgi.br/>
> ), World Economic Forum (WEF), Internet Cooperation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers (ICANN), IGF Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG), and I*
> Organizations.
> (i)    What was the process that led to this decision and was there any
> discussion or consultation more broadly in this regard?
> (ii)   Are these seats expected to be permanent, or subject to rotation, and
> what is the process / duration thereof?
> (iii)  Will their roles or obligations be different from the rest of the 20
> members on the proposed CC?
>  
> 3.    The pre-conditions for being nominated to the NMI CC include, ³embrace
> the NETmundial Principles² and, ³sign your name as a public advocate of
> NETmundial Principles.² However, the NETmundial Principles are a set of
> ³non-binding statements² that, in spite of being well regarded, may or may not
> be acceptable to individuals, organizations, or governments in their entirety,
> or in part.  Furthermore, both government and industry stakeholders may be
> limited in their ability to sign on to such documents because of the legal
> approval processes in their organizations.
> (i)    Does the pre-condition mean that those who either do not agree with the
> Principles, or agree with them only partially, will not be allowed to
> participate in the NETmundial Initiative?
> (ii)   What if such organizations or governments have a significant role to
> play in meeting NMI¹s stated objectives? Will they be prohibited from
> participating?
>  
> 4.    Each member of the business community represents an entire business
> organization - in some cases publicly held companies. In such cases, if the CC
> selection criteria, which state, ³if representing an organization, the nominee
> must confirm that their organization will officially embrace the NETmundial
> Principles², is to be met, it could have serious, legal and wide-ranging
> implications on the nominee and their organization. Further, this is at odds
> with the ³non-binding² character of NETmundial Principles.  Practically
> speaking, such a pre-condition could render business membership out of
> reckoning as a CC nominee. This could also be true for governments as well as
> other stakeholders.
> (i)    Has such a consequence been anticipated? What is NMI¹s response to this
> issue, which has severe implications on nominees from the private sector, and
> by consequence, the constitution of a multistakeholder CC?
>  
> 5.    The nomination process is unclear. If the intent is to have broad
> representation of stakeholder interests, then one would assume a similar
> process of self-organization that happened in the lead-up to NETmundial would
> be utilized. 
> (i)    How is this self-nomination process going to provide any assurance of
> breadth of representation in terms of the broad communities¹ interest beyond
> the viewpoints of five individuals?
>  
> Objectives
>  
> 6.    If NMI is be a true multistakeholder initiative, it seems
> counterintuitive that many topics related to the range of possible outcomes
> and issues to be discussed have been decided without any credible
> multistakeholder consultation.
> (i)    Should what has been suggested so far merely be considered a draft
> proposal?
> (ii)   Can NMI clarify the source and nature of the inputs?
>  
> 7.    One of the objectives defined under NMI relates to ³crowdsourcing of
> enablers and solutions from the global community.² While this certainly seems
> like an innovative idea, there are serious constraints on stakeholders such as
> the private sector, and to a large extent, governments, who are only allowed
> to submit ³approved positions², which in turn require substantive time and
> internal approval processes. This would leave the private sector as well as
> other stakeholders at a serious disadvantage to engage meaningfully in NMI.
> (i)    How does NMI plan to address the different pace and processes followed
> amongst multistakeholder groups, when requiring formal submissions?
>  
> 8.    The second NMI objective requires ³crowd-funding to finance/support the
> development and implementation of such enablers and solutions.² Again, some of
> the stakeholders, especially the private sector and likely some governments,
> are not allowed to engage in ³fundraising² or ³crowd-funding² activities as a
> part of their corporate discipline, ethics, or terms of employment.
> (i)    How would all stakeholders participate meaningfully in this objective?
>  
> 9.    Even though the NETmundial Principles were framed as a ³non-binding
> outcome², the NETmundial list of potential ³solutions² includes, ³regulations,
> directives, contracts and/or other agreements².
> (i)    How does NMI plan to reconcile the contradiction that arises between
> the basic ³non-binding² characteristic of the NETmundial Principles and the
> range of solutions articulated by the NMI?
>  
> 10.  The NMI has pre-identified ³issues ranging from cyber security to user
> privacy² as those which need to be addressed ³urgently².  Other issues,
> including providing access to the remaining four billion citizens ­ have also
> been identified as issues that need to be addressed under the NETmundial
> Principles and in other forums where Internet governance is discussed.
> (i)    What consultation has occurred to reach a conclusion on priorities?
>  
> 11.  Assuming that a set of issues were identified that require further
> attention, it is entirely possible that the organizers decide which issues CC
> members will bring different views on the mechanisms to address respective
> issues. 
> (i)    How would these issues be reconciled within the NMI procedure?
> (ii)   Will the decision of the 25 Council members be final, or will observers
> be allowed to intervene in the discussions?
> (iii)  How will decisions be reached ­ by vote, by consensus?
>  
> 12.  Amongst the ³solutions² listed on the NMI website, some, such as
> ³regulations², etc., will require buy-in by governments and international
> forums for implementation.
> (i)    How will the 25 CC members ensure such implementation?
> (ii)   What will be the source for funding such an effort, and how will such
> an effort become self-sustaining?
>  
> Relationship to other organizations and initiatives
>  
> 13.  The United Nations Commission on Science and Technology for Development
> (CSTD) Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation, 43 Working Group members
> consisting of governments, international organizations, civil society, private
> sector, and technical community, under the Chairmanship of Mr. Peter Major,
> has been working to map Internet governance issues and matching mechanisms. It
> seems the NMI expects to do much of the same.
>  
> 14.  How would the NMI work differ from the CSTD effort and avoid duplication?
> The existing Internet Governance ecosystem includes specific organizations and
> forums including ISOC, IETF, the IAB, ICANN, IGF, the WSIS process and more.
> (i)    How will the NMI work with other organizations that are actively
> considering the Internet governance issues?
> (ii)   Will formal relationships be established to coordinate and leverage the
> different work initiatives, or is it assumed that those with seats on the CC
> will also be responsible for this coordination?
>  
> 15.  The NETmundial Outcome Statement recognized the need for strengthening
> the IGF and noted the recommendations of the CSTD working group on IGF
> Improvements.
> (i)    How will NMI contribute to accelerating implementation of the
> recommended IGF improvements?
> (ii)   Does CGI.br <http://cgi.br/> ¹s role as one of the five pre-identified
> CC members result from the fact that Brazil hosted the NETmundial conference
> or is it because they are hosting the next IGF in November 2015?
> (iii)  Would the host for IGF 2016 be replacing CGI.br <http://cgi.br/>  next
> year as has been stated by Mr Virgilio Almeida in his video message on the NMI
> website?
> (iv) Is singling out one of UN¹s 195 member states acceptable to other
> stakeholders?
>  
> Answers to the above questions are required in order for ICC BASIS and other
> stakeholders to have a fulsome debate on NMI. As such, we think it is
> essential to extend the debate into 2015 so as to give the business community
> as well as other stakeholders the time necessary to determine possible next
> steps. 
>  
> ICC BASIS believes that at its very core, the Internet must remain a
> decentralized and distributed system that allows multistakeholder groups to
> participate meaningfully in the identification and resolution of issues by
> leveraging their respective expertise. This multistakeholder engagement
> ensures an ecosystem that invites and facilitates stakeholders¹ participation,
> through publicly defined, transparent, and collaborative initiatives, to
> advance the capability of the Internet to empower people, including those who
> currently remain unconnected to the Internet. Business remains firmly
> committed to supporting the role of the IGF and improving current mechanisms
> within its mandate and current organizing principles ­ namely as a body that
> fosters exchanges that lead to solutions and helps to reach consensus, as
> opposed to a negotiating body where participants¹ energy is diverted from
> capacity and consensus-building to drafting negotiated outcomes.
>  
> ICC BASIS is concerned about the business community¹s ability to participate
> meaningfully in any initiative which has pre-defined criteria for nomination
> and objectives as outputs. We are also concerned about the NMI¹s ability to
> pursue its objectives in the face of such pre-conditions and objections from
> essential stakeholders. There is an absolute need for greater clarity and
> meaningful transparency in decision-making processes and criteria; proposed
> objectives and means of accomplishing them; and anticipated relationships with
> existing bodies like the IGF.  We seek your prompt response to the issues
> above and will come back for any further clarifications that might arise, as
> we continue the discussion within our community.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Joe Alhadeff
>  
> Chair, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) Commission on the Digital
> Economy and Representative of ICC BASIS
>  
> _______________________________________________
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> discuss at 1net.org
> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 14:40:22 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:40:22 -0800
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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FWIW, apart from some (fairly minor) differences in interpretation and emphasis (and of course overall normative stance—the period of what Milton calls economic stagnation could be seen both as a period during which there was a huge raising up of living standards throughout the developed world at least, the putting into place of the technology and intellectual pre-conditions for the current tsunami of technology advance, and the development of institutional means for the more recent advances in many LDC’s) I agree with what Milton says below.

 

Also, knowing little about the telecom’s situation in LDC’s at the time I think it is unarguable that without the strong intervention through public sector regulation (and stimulation) there would have been little to no telecom service throughout the 90% of Canada’s geography where the cost of landline infrastructure was not market supportable. Notably today there are still significant problems throughout the Canadian north with mobile service given the cost of infrastructure in a more or less totally de-regulated telecom marketplace to the point where certain communities have developed their own infrastructure and services http://mobile.knet.ca/

 

M

 

From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:11 AM
To: 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net'
Subject: RE: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br

 

Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion? 

 

First, neo-liberalism is not per se a “vile label” unless you think liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features of liberalism as an ideology or movement. 

 

Neo-liberalism in literal terms simply refers to the revival of liberal thought that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s (i.e., “neo” + “liberal”) following the economic stagnation brought on by the excesses of the social democracy and regulatory state that emerged in the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think of the economic liberalizations of that period, it’s pretty hard to argue with the record of stagflation, budget crises of the welfare state, slowing or declining growth, and a record of complete failure by socialist/communist economies that occurred in that period.

 

Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from market forces were failing and could be improved through the introduction of competition and market forces. 

 

The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash against trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to market forces and grew tremendously as a result.

 

When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am referring to several largely indisputable facts: 

a)      Prior to ‘neoliberal’ policies the telecom system was the epitome of social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces were largely absent. 

b)      The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of neoliberalism need to own up to this.

c)       Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive decreases in pricing for telecom services

d)      Free trade agreements for IT equipment and “information services” made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across the world regardless of state censorship or regulation

 

In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development and freedom, and you want to have an intelligent discussion of the role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things need to be taken into account. If you want to call people names, I’m not interested. 

 

--MM

 

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On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:

Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model. 


You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.

I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.

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From mueller at syr.edu  Wed Dec  3 14:43:22 2014
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:43:22 +0000
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What can I say, Lee?
I always err on the side of kindness...
;-)

From: Lee W McKnight
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:05 PM
To: 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net'; Milton L Mueller
Subject: RE: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br


Milton,



You are being too kind in describing the abject failure of those past non-neo-liberal policies, which had truly vile effects.



Waiting lists stretched up to...12 years...for a simple landline phone, in admittedly 'worst' cases.



Post-liberalization entry of mobile phones uncovered such extreme unmet demand that 1st mobiles (with service subscription) could sell for up to $50,000 - 20 years ago, in one case I am familiar with. Yeah that's right, when all one could do with a mobile was make a call.



Lee





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From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org>> on behalf of Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>
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Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion?

First, neo-liberalism is not per se a "vile label" unless you think liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features of liberalism as an ideology or movement.

Neo-liberalism in literal terms simply refers to the revival of liberal thought that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s (i.e., "neo" + "liberal") following the economic stagnation brought on by the excesses of the social democracy and regulatory state that emerged in the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think of the economic liberalizations of that period, it's pretty hard to argue with the record of stagflation, budget crises of the welfare state, slowing or declining growth, and a record of complete failure by socialist/communist economies that occurred in that period.

Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from market forces were failing and could be improved through the introduction of competition and market forces.

The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash against trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to market forces and grew tremendously as a result.

When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am referring to several largely indisputable facts:

a)      Prior to 'neoliberal' policies the telecom system was the epitome of social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces were largely absent.

b)      The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of neoliberalism need to own up to this.

c)       Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive decreases in pricing for telecom services

d)      Free trade agreements for IT equipment and "information services" made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across the world regardless of state censorship or regulation

In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development and freedom, and you want to have an intelligent discussion of the role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things need to be taken into account. If you want to call people names, I'm not interested.

--MM

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On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model.

You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.

I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.

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From bzs at world.std.com  Wed Dec  3 16:29:18 2014
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Neo-Liberal is basically a broader term for what, politically, is
often referred to as "libertarianism" or various other terms,
minarchist and so forth.

I don't think it's derogatory any more (or less) than in the US the
labels "republican" or "democrat" are derogatory except perhaps as
used in some context.

I generally associate neo-liberal with the "Austrian School", Hayek
(Friedrich, not Selma), President Reagan's aspirations, Margaret
Thatcher, and Milton Friedman, and of course libertarianism.

I don't know if labelling something as such, whether it's
multi-stakeholderism or mobile phone networks, is generally useful.

At best it's a big spectrum from just reducing regulation and taxation
a little, or even just slowing its growtn, to actual anarchist,
no-government philosophies.

I find the libertarian platforms very troubling and speaking to
libertarians which I've done at length even more troubling.

For example many consider anti-discriminatory laws (race, gender) to
be unbearable government intrusion into the marketplace. And similar
for environmental regulation, food and drug safety laws, worker
protection laws such as minimum wage or occupational exposures, etc.

They tend to propose vast civil judiciary process and private process
to resolve almost all such matters. If an employer injures you or
discriminates against you sue them (under what law can be a mystery.)
If you want to know if a drug is safe then subscribe to a drug safety
service instead of relying on your govt to regulate such things.

The problem it introduces into a discussion is its large spectrum.

A person can say they're only promoting neo-liberal ideas and when
pressed spout off a few innocent ideas such as lower taxes or the
success of mobile phone technology as the sort of thing they are
after.

Examples of supposed "successes" strike me as generally cherry-picked
since no country of any significance has actually ever operated under
broad neo-liberal principles, only tendencies.

There really is little to grasp onto when a person or proposal is
described as "neo-liberal".

I think it's better to review the actual proposal -- the term itself
approaches ad hominem, i.e., some attempt to infer the motivations of
the author no different in value really than describing a proposal as
socialistic or totalitarian, etc.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

The World              | bzs at TheWorld.com           | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD        | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada
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From carolina.rossini at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 17:00:49 2014
From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:00:49 -0500
Subject: [governance] RE: From Confusion to Clarification
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A mid-term solution could be a wiki or pad with a list of topics and
editable. So organizations can list the publications they wish and feel
represent a good statement regarding a topic.

I feel that if we funnel it through a small number of authors , it will go
no where.
On Nov 29, 2014 1:29 PM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

> Wolfgang:
> This is a charmingly Kleinwachterian approach to things, but forgive me if
> I dissent.
>
> I think each of the different viewpoints of civil society can be, and
> already are, represented by CS organizations' own publications. The idea
> that "Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo,
> APC) could nominate four authors" to represent all of the spectrum of civil
> society just doesn't work. IGC is a mailing list containing a vast
> diversity of ideologies, who the heck would they nominate? At the other end
> of the spectrum, JNC is a single-ideology group, and to a lesser extent so
> is our IGP (Internet Governance Project). APC is already part of NCSG, BB,
> and IGC, do they get triple representation? Furthermore, as Andrea Glorioso
> correctly stated, the plethora of written materials churning out of this
> environment is already overwhelming, the last thing we need is more.
>
> If you want to do this right, then have an ideologically broad and diverse
> group select some of the best _existing_ publications, or excerpts from
> publications, that can summarize and explain the spectrum of viewpoints in
> civil society on IG issues. The selection of issues would also be
> important: some of us concentrate on very direct and more focused aspects
> of IG (e.g., names and numbers, routing, interconnection, standards) while
> others focus on much broader issues that go beyond IG alone (e.g., freedom
> of expression, access, economic policy) The point here would be to reveal
> and document the full ideological or policy diversity among us.
>
> However, even if you adopt that more reasonable approach, the danger of
> representing some views as hegemonic or accepted by all when they are not
> remains. We all get a bit irritated I think when Parminder tells us that
> our views are not really civil society views, and I can easily see this
> project leading to those kinds of debates. And I am not sure I see the
> point of clamoring to get represented in such a publication when we could
> be pushing our views directly into ongoing policy debates that actually
> matter.
>
> --MM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I propose that we start to work on what I call a "Civil Society Internet
> > Governance Handbook".  This handbook would allow all CS groups within the
> > CSCG to present their own individual points of views so that everybody
> > knows what the positions are. The book could be structured into four main
> > chapters:
> >
> > 1.    Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
> > 2.    Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
> > 3.    Economic Development (Market domination, competition,
> > infrastructure development etc.)
> > 4.    Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
> >
> > Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC)
> could
> > nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be free
> to
> > argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is no need
> > for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his radical,
> > moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main issues.
> >
> > Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process
> > and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of
> us.
> >
> > We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
> official
> > texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.) until
> the
> > May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around 250
> pages.
> > If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York event in
> > December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG Community as
> > a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in the
> emerging IG
> > multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into the WSIS 10+
> > process.
> >
> > The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups)
> would
> > be the editor.
> >
> > Any comment?
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
>
>
>
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From jaryn56 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 19:01:08 2014
From: jaryn56 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgRsOpbGl4IEFyaWFzIFluY2hl?=)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:01:08 -0500
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Tienes razón Carolina...ya me sentía un extraño en la comunidad, aveces me
parece como si se quisiera que la comunidad desaparezca...



*Cordialmente:         José Félix Arias Ynche*
*                        Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*

2014-12-03 17:00 GMT-05:00 Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>:

> A mid-term solution could be a wiki or pad with a list of topics and
> editable. So organizations can list the publications they wish and feel
> represent a good statement regarding a topic.
>
> I feel that if we funnel it through a small number of authors , it will go
> no where.
> On Nov 29, 2014 1:29 PM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>> Wolfgang:
>> This is a charmingly Kleinwachterian approach to things, but forgive me
>> if I dissent.
>>
>> I think each of the different viewpoints of civil society can be, and
>> already are, represented by CS organizations' own publications. The idea
>> that "Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo,
>> APC) could nominate four authors" to represent all of the spectrum of civil
>> society just doesn't work. IGC is a mailing list containing a vast
>> diversity of ideologies, who the heck would they nominate? At the other end
>> of the spectrum, JNC is a single-ideology group, and to a lesser extent so
>> is our IGP (Internet Governance Project). APC is already part of NCSG, BB,
>> and IGC, do they get triple representation? Furthermore, as Andrea Glorioso
>> correctly stated, the plethora of written materials churning out of this
>> environment is already overwhelming, the last thing we need is more.
>>
>> If you want to do this right, then have an ideologically broad and
>> diverse group select some of the best _existing_ publications, or excerpts
>> from publications, that can summarize and explain the spectrum of
>> viewpoints in civil society on IG issues. The selection of issues would
>> also be important: some of us concentrate on very direct and more focused
>> aspects of IG (e.g., names and numbers, routing, interconnection,
>> standards) while others focus on much broader issues that go beyond IG
>> alone (e.g., freedom of expression, access, economic policy) The point here
>> would be to reveal and document the full ideological or policy diversity
>> among us.
>>
>> However, even if you adopt that more reasonable approach, the danger of
>> representing some views as hegemonic or accepted by all when they are not
>> remains. We all get a bit irritated I think when Parminder tells us that
>> our views are not really civil society views, and I can easily see this
>> project leading to those kinds of debates. And I am not sure I see the
>> point of clamoring to get represented in such a publication when we could
>> be pushing our views directly into ongoing policy debates that actually
>> matter.
>>
>> --MM
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > I propose that we start to work on what I call a "Civil Society Internet
>> > Governance Handbook".  This handbook would allow all CS groups within
>> the
>> > CSCG to present their own individual points of views so that everybody
>> > knows what the positions are. The book could be structured into four
>> main
>> > chapters:
>> >
>> > 1.    Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
>> > 2.    Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
>> > 3.    Economic Development (Market domination, competition,
>> > infrastructure development etc.)
>> > 4.    Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
>> >
>> > Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC)
>> could
>> > nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be free
>> to
>> > argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is no
>> need
>> > for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his radical,
>> > moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main
>> issues.
>> >
>> > Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process
>> > and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of
>> us.
>> >
>> > We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
>> official
>> > texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.) until
>> the
>> > May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around 250
>> pages.
>> > If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York event in
>> > December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG Community as
>> > a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in the
>> emerging IG
>> > multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into the WSIS 10+
>> > process.
>> >
>> > The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups)
>> would
>> > be the editor.
>> >
>> > Any comment?
>> >
>> > Wolfgang
>> >
>>
>>
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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 02:39:05 2014
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:39:05 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS
 letter to NMI - Net Mundial
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Good structured, demand great attention and cogent answers.
On Dec 3, 2014 8:41 PM, "Vanda Scartezini" <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote:

> Hi Deirdre
>
>  For me the letter is good. Touches all  key points.
> Kisses
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> From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
> "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 at 15:21
> To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: [governance] Fwd: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS
> letter to NMI - Net Mundial
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Erick Iriarte Ahon" <eiriarte at alfa-redi.org>
> Date: 3 Dec 2014 12:50
> Subject: [latinoamericann] Fwd: [discuss] ICC BASIS letter to NMI - Net
> Mundial
> To: "LatinoamerICANN" <latinoamericann at dgroups.org>
> Cc:
>
> FYI
>
> Inicio del mensaje reenviado:
>
> *De: *WEISE Constance <constance.weise at iccwbo.org>
> *Para: *"discuss at 1net.org" <discuss at 1net.org>
> *Fecha: *3 de diciembre de 2014, 11:06:15 GMT-5
> *Asunto: **[discuss] ICC BASIS letter to NMI*
>
>
> Please see below the letter from ICC BASIS that was sent to the NETmundial
> Initiative Transitional Committee, accessible at:
>
>
>
> http://www.iccwbo.org/Data/Documents/Basis/Internet-governance/2014/ICC-BASIS-questions-submitted-to-NETmundial-Initiative-Transitional-Committee/
>
>
> We are looking forward to the responses to these questions and hope that
> they might be shared widely with the community of stakeholders.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> To:
> NETmundial Initiative Transitional Committee:
>
>
> Virgilio Augusto Fernandes Almeida
> Secretary for Information Technology Policy for the Ministry of Science,
> Technology and Innovation of Brazil
>
>
> Fadi Chehadé
> President And Chief Executive Officer Of ICANN
>
>
> Richard Samans
> Managing Director and Member of the Managing Board, World Economic Forum
>
>
>
>
> 28 November 2014
>
>
>
>
> ICC BASIS writes in response to the NETmundial Initiative (NMI)
> announcement on 6 November 2014. NMI, ICC BASIS members agree with the
> conveners of the NETMundial Initiative (NMI) that there is a need to work
> together in a collaborative fashion toward developing solutions for
> pressing Internet Governance issues. However, ICC BASIS has concerns as to
> how this relatively new initiative will feed into already existing efforts.
>
>
>
> To begin, we feel strongly that the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is the
> appropriate forum for the exchange ideas and information, which in turn
> raises awareness and drives toward consensus and progress on Internet
> Governance issues.  The bottom-up process for planning, executing, and
> participating in the IGF reflects the core tenets of the multistakeholder
> model. There has also been significant commentary online, including by some
> of the Internet governance (IG) community’s most respected organizations
> such as the Internet Society (ISOC), regarding the inconsistencies between
> NMI’s processes and those that are generally regarded as important for a
> multistakeholder, bottom-up, decentralized, open, transparent, and
> accountable selection and discussion format ICC BASIS agrees with many of
> the views expressed.
>
>
> Based on the information available to date ICC BASIS members oppose the
> NMI as established, conceived, and structured. The process that has led to
> the establishment and structure of the NMI was not multistakeholder in that
> the creation and scope of the NMI appears to be largely conceived through
> closed conversations with only a few stakeholders present. Our members also
> have serious concerns with the lack of clarity regarding the rules of
> procedure for the actual work of the NMI.  With this in mind, ICC BASIS
> shares the views of ISOC and other stakeholders and cannot endorse the NMI
> resulting from this process of formation or current form and structure.
>
>
> Having said that ICC BASIS members understand that there is a pressing
> need to address real concerns related to global Internet governance and as
> such we continue to discuss how best to advance the continued effectiveness
> of the IGF and other Internet governance organizations more broadly.
>
>
> In order to ascertain whether NMI could be a forum that addresses such
> concerns, we have read through the FAQs, which NMI recently posted online.
>   After doing so, we continue to have questions and requests for
> clarification.  Therefore, we seek answers to the questions below and
> call for more time to be allowed for such questions to be explored and any
> subsequent follow up that the responses may require.
>
> *Formation and Governance*
>
> 1.    How long is the NMI expected to last?
>
>
> 2.    NMI decided to pre-allocate five seats on the Coordination Council
> (CC), one each to the Brazilian Internet Steering committee (CGI.br
> <http://cgi.br/>), World Economic Forum (WEF), Internet Cooperation for
> Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), IGF Multistakeholder Advisory Group
> (MAG), and I* Organizations.
> (i)    What was the process that led to this decision and was there any
> discussion or consultation more broadly in this regard?
> (ii)   Are these seats expected to be permanent, or subject to rotation,
> and what is the process / duration thereof?
> (iii)  Will their roles or obligations be different from the rest of the
> 20 members on the proposed CC?
>
>
> 3.    The pre-conditions for being nominated to the NMI CC include,
> “embrace the NETmundial Principles” and, “sign your name as a public
> advocate of NETmundial Principles.” However, the NETmundial Principles are
> a set of “non-binding statements” that, in spite of being well regarded,
> may or may not be acceptable to individuals, organizations, or governments
> in their entirety, or in part.  Furthermore, both government and industry
> stakeholders may be limited in their ability to sign on to such documents
> because of the legal approval processes in their organizations.
> (i)    Does the pre-condition mean that those who either do not agree
> with the Principles, or agree with them only partially, will not be allowed
> to participate in the NETmundial Initiative?
> (ii)   What if such organizations or governments have a significant role
> to play in meeting NMI’s stated objectives? Will they be prohibited from
> participating?
>
>
> 4.    Each member of the business community represents an entire business
> organization - in some cases publicly held companies. In such cases, if the
> CC selection criteria, which state, “if representing an organization, the
> nominee must confirm that their organization will officially embrace the
> NETmundial Principles”, is to be met, it could have serious, legal and
> wide-ranging implications on the nominee and their organization. Further,
> this is at odds with the “non-binding” character of NETmundial Principles.
>   Practically speaking, such a pre-condition could render business
> membership out of reckoning as a CC nominee. This could also be true for
> governments as well as other stakeholders.
> (i)    Has such a consequence been anticipated? What is NMI’s response to
> this issue, which has severe implications on nominees from the private
> sector, and by consequence, the constitution of a multistakeholder CC?
>
>
> 5.    The nomination process is unclear. If the intent is to have broad
> representation of stakeholder interests, then one would assume a similar
> process of self-organization that happened in the lead-up to NETmundial
> would be utilized.
> (i)    How is this self-nomination process going to provide any assurance
> of breadth of representation in terms of the broad communities’ interest
> beyond the viewpoints of five individuals?
>
>
> *Objectives*
>
> 6.    If NMI is be a true multistakeholder initiative, it seems
> counterintuitive that many topics related to the range of possible outcomes
> and issues to be discussed have been decided without any credible
> multistakeholder consultation.
> (i)    Should what has been suggested so far merely be considered a draft
> proposal?
> (ii)   Can NMI clarify the source and nature of the inputs?
>
>
> 7.    One of the objectives defined under NMI relates to “crowdsourcing
> of enablers and solutions from the global community.” While this certainly
> seems like an innovative idea, there are serious constraints on
> stakeholders such as the private sector, and to a large extent,
> governments, who are only allowed to submit “approved positions”, which in
> turn require substantive time and internal approval processes. This would
> leave the private sector as well as other stakeholders at a serious
> disadvantage to engage meaningfully in NMI.
> (i)    How does NMI plan to address the different pace and processes
> followed amongst multistakeholder groups, when requiring formal submissions?
>
>
> 8.    The second NMI objective requires “crowd-funding to finance/support
> the development and implementation of such enablers and solutions.” Again,
> some of the stakeholders, especially the private sector and likely some
> governments, are not allowed to engage in “fundraising” or “crowd-funding”
> activities as a part of their corporate discipline, ethics, or terms of
> employment.
> (i)    How would all stakeholders participate meaningfully in this
> objective?
>
>
> 9.    Even though the NETmundial Principles were framed as a “non-binding
> outcome”, the NETmundial list of potential “solutions” includes,
> “regulations, directives, contracts and/or other agreements”.
> (i)    How does NMI plan to reconcile the contradiction that arises
> between the basic “non-binding” characteristic of the NETmundial Principles
> and the range of solutions articulated by the NMI?
>
>
> 10.  The NMI has pre-identified “issues ranging from cyber security to
> user privacy” as those which need to be addressed “urgently”.  Other
> issues, including providing access to the remaining four billion citizens –
> have also been identified as issues that need to be addressed under the
> NETmundial Principles and in other forums where Internet governance is
> discussed.
> (i)    What consultation has occurred to reach a conclusion on priorities?
>
>
> 11.  Assuming that a set of issues were identified that require further
> attention, it is entirely possible that the organizers decide which issues
> CC members will bring different views on the mechanisms to address
> respective issues.
> (i)    How would these issues be reconciled within the NMI procedure?
> (ii)   Will the decision of the 25 Council members be final, or will
> observers be allowed to intervene in the discussions?
> (iii)  How will decisions be reached – by vote, by consensus?
>
>
> 12.  Amongst the “solutions” listed on the NMI website, some, such as
> “regulations”, etc., will require buy-in by governments and international
> forums for implementation.
> (i)    How will the 25 CC members ensure such implementation?
> (ii)   What will be the source for funding such an effort, and how will
> such an effort become self-sustaining?
>
> *Relationship to other organizations and initiatives*
>
> 13.  The United Nations Commission on Science and Technology for
> Development (CSTD) Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation, 43 Working Group
> members consisting of governments, international organizations, civil
> society, private sector, and technical community, under the Chairmanship of
> Mr. Peter Major, has been working to map Internet governance issues and
> matching mechanisms. It seems the NMI expects to do much of the same.
>
>
> 14.  How would the NMI work differ from the CSTD effort and avoid
> duplication? The existing Internet Governance ecosystem includes specific
> organizations and forums including ISOC, IETF, the IAB, ICANN, IGF, the
> WSIS process and more.
> (i)    How will the NMI work with other organizations that are actively
> considering the Internet governance issues?
> (ii)   Will formal relationships be established to coordinate and
> leverage the different work initiatives, or is it assumed that those with
> seats on the CC will also be responsible for this coordination?
>
>
> 15.  The NETmundial Outcome Statement recognized the need for
> strengthening the IGF and noted the recommendations of the CSTD working
> group on IGF Improvements.
> (i)    How will NMI contribute to accelerating implementation of the
> recommended IGF improvements?
> (ii)   Does CGI.br <http://cgi.br/>’s role as one of the five
> pre-identified CC members result from the fact that Brazil hosted the
> NETmundial conference or is it because they are hosting the next IGF in
> November 2015?
> (iii)  Would the host for IGF 2016 be replacing CGI.br <http://cgi.br/> next
> year as has been stated by Mr Virgilio Almeida in his video message on the
> NMI website?
> (iv) Is singling out one of UN’s 195 member states acceptable to other
> stakeholders?
>
>
> Answers to the above questions are required in order for ICC BASIS and
> other stakeholders to have a fulsome debate on NMI. As such, we think it is
> essential to extend the debate into 2015 so as to give the business
> community as well as other stakeholders the time necessary to determine
> possible next steps.
>
>
> ICC BASIS believes that at its very core, the Internet must remain a
> decentralized and distributed system that allows multistakeholder groups to
> participate meaningfully in the identification and resolution of issues by
> leveraging their respective expertise. This multistakeholder engagement
> ensures an ecosystem that invites and facilitates stakeholders’
> participation, through publicly defined, transparent, and collaborative
> initiatives, to advance the capability of the Internet to empower people,
> including those who currently remain unconnected to the Internet. Business
> remains firmly committed to supporting the role of the IGF and improving
> current mechanisms within its mandate and current organizing principles –
> namely as a body that fosters exchanges that lead to solutions and helps to
> reach consensus, as opposed to a negotiating body where participants’
> energy is diverted from capacity and consensus-building to drafting
> negotiated outcomes.
>
>
> ICC BASIS is concerned about the business community’s ability to
> participate meaningfully in any initiative which has pre-defined criteria
> for nomination and objectives as outputs. We are also concerned about the
> NMI’s ability to pursue its objectives in the face of such pre-conditions
> and objections from essential stakeholders. There is an absolute need for
> greater clarity and meaningful transparency in decision-making processes
> and criteria; proposed objectives and means of accomplishing them; and
> anticipated relationships with existing bodies like the IGF.  We seek
> your prompt response to the issues above and will come back for any further
> clarifications that might arise, as we continue the discussion within our
> community.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Joe Alhadeff
>
>
> Chair, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) Commission on the Digital
> Economy and Representative of ICC BASIS
>
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From fulvio.frati at unimi.it  Thu Dec  4 09:11:45 2014
From: fulvio.frati at unimi.it (Fulvio Frati)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:11:45 +0100
Subject: [governance] [CFP] 11th Intl. Conf. on Open Source Systems
 (OSS2015)
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[Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP]

 

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***************

11th Intl. Conf. on Open Source Systems (OSS2015)

co-located with the 2015 International Conference on Software Engineering
(ICSE2015)

 

Florence, Italy – 16-17 May 2015

http://www.oss2015.org 

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*** Theme: Open Frameworks: from Service to Cloud ***

 

Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) has had a disruptive effect on the
commercial software industry and the ways that organizations and individuals
create, distribute, acquire and use software and software-based services. In
addition to the many standalone FOSS projects, FOSS is at the heart of
modern network-based computing infrastructures and can be found in the vast
majority of applications that run in these environments. 

 

Many organizations that have been known for developing proprietary software
are now actively involved with FOSS. FOSS adoption continues to grow among
businesses, governments, and other organizations. FOSS remains important for
educators and researchers, as well as an important aspect of e-government
and information society initiatives, providing access to high-quality
software and the code used to create it. 

 

Also, FOSS has taken the lead in a number of crucial ICT domains, like Cloud
Computing, where open source cloud stacks are widely adopted, and Big Data,
where a wealth of FOSS solutions is now being built around Hadoop.

 

The 11th International Conference on Open Source Systems (OSS 2015) will
celebrate a decade of advances in the use of free and open source software
by emphasizing areas and topics that will drive future use over the next
decade. This will be achieved through a combination of high-quality research
papers, tutorials, workshops, demonstrations, and invited talks.  OSS2015
will be co-located with the 2015 International Conference on Software
Engineering as a way to cross-fertilize ideas. The theme for the 2015
edition will be "Open frameworks: from service to cloud", putting forward
the idea on how open source framework can develop the transition from
traditional IT services to cloud-based architectures.

 

A central goal of OSS 2015 is to provide an international forum where a
diverse community of professionals from academia, industry, the public
sector, and diverse FOSS initiatives can come together to share research
findings and practical experiences. The conference also aims to serve as a
meeting place where people can identify new research ideas and techniques
for putting FOSS into widespread use.  

 

OSS 2015 will include research papers, industry papers, formal tool
demonstrations, lightning talks, new ideas, experience reports, and posters.
OSS 2015 also invites proposals for tutorials and workshops, submissions to
the doctoral symposium, and submissions of panel proposals.

 

Accepted papers will be included in the conference proceedings, which are
published by Springer.

 

** Topics

 

We are seeking submissions across a broad range of topics, but are
particularly interested in those areas most likely to have an impact on
computing over the next decade, including computing infrastructure, data
management, and the Internet of Things. For practical experiences, we are
seeking submissions that describe FOSS applications in embedded systems
(IoT), health care, transportation, communications, and energy management.

 

Other topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following:

 

- FOSS technologies

 

    - FOSS in the cloud

    - FOSS for data management and analysis

    - Security of FOSS

    - Interoperability, portability, scalability of FOSS

    - Open standards, open data, open cloud, open hardware and open exhibits

    - FOSS in cloud-based applications

    - Architecture and design of FOSS

 

- Mobile and Embedded FOSS

 

    - Mobile Operating Systems

    - Open Source apps for mobile devices

    - Open Source app markets and software delivery platforms

    - Software metrics for Open Source mobile software

    - Energy efficiency in Mobile FOSS 

 

- FOSS Quality

 

    - Static and Dynamic FOSS testing

    - Formal FOSS verification

    - Detection of bad coding practices and adoption of coding conventions

    - OSS metrics: measuring FOSS performance, safety, and quality

    - FOSS performance

 

- FOSS Evaluation, adoption and use

 

    - Evaluation of FOSS software, including comparisons with proprietary
software, in industry and government

    - Use and acceptance of FOSS; organizational policies

    - The role of FOSS-oriented foundations

    - Dissemination, redistribution and crowdsourcing of FOSS systems

    - Expanding scientific research and technology development methods
through openness

    - Role of FOSS in ICT and sustainable development 

 

-FOSS practices and methods

 

    - New experiences with FOSS development tools and practices

    - Knowledge and documentation management in FOSS  

 

- Economic, organizational and social issues related to FOSS

 

    - Economic analysis of FOSS

    - Maturity models of FOSS

    - FOSS in public sector

    - FOSS intellectual property, copyrights and licensing

    - Non-Governmental Organizations and FOSS 

 

- FOSS and education

                - Teaching FOSS to people of all ages and backgrounds

                - Use of FOSS in education

                

-FOSS platforms and toolkits

                - FOSS Data processing and storage platforms

                - FOSS environments for cloud computing

                - FOSS business intelligence toolkits

                - FOSS business packages (CRM, ERP, HRM)

                - FOSS collaboration and communication environments

                

** Important Dates

 

- Paper Submission due: January 10, 2015

- Notification to Authors: February 14, 2015

- Camera ready due: February 28, 2015

 

** Authors Instructions

 

Papers submitted to OSS 2015 must not have been published elsewhere and must
not be under review or submitted for review elsewhere while under
consideration for OSS 2015.

 

All papers must conform, at time of submission, to the Springer Formatting
Guidelines (LNCS)
(http://www.springer.com/computer/lncs?SGWID=0-164-6-793341-0). You may
utilize the templates provided in our website. Submissions must be in PDF
format with a limit of 10 pages for each paper.

 

All submissions will be peer-reviewed double blinded, therefore please
remove any information that could give an indication of the authorship or
affiliations. Authors of accepted papers will be therefore be required to
sign a copyright transfer (as well as register for and attend the
conference).

 

When your paper is finished, submit it using EasyChair
(https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=oss2015) according to the
submission deadlines.

 

** Organizing Committee

 

* General Chair

- Ernesto Damiani, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Program Chairs

- Dirk Riehle, Friedrich-Alexander-University Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany

- Tony Wasserman, Carnegie Mellon University, USA

 

* Regional Publicity Chairs

- Moataz Ahmed, King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals, Saudi Arabia

- Scott Hissam, Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon University,
USA

- Karl Reed, La Trobe University, Australia

- Francesco Zavatarelli, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Organizing Chairs

- Fulvio Frati, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

- Nadia Fusar Poli, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Web Chair

- Fulvio Frati, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Program Committee

- Chintan Amrit, University of Twente, The Netherlands

- Luciano Baresi, DEIB – Politecnico di Milano, Italy

- Paolo Ciancarini, University of Bologna, Italy

- Francesco Di Cerbo, SAP Research Sophia-Antipolis, France

- Jonas Gamalielsson, University of Skovde, Sweden

- Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona, Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, Spain

- Imed Hammouda, Chalmers and University of Gothenburg, Sweden

- Abram Hindle, University of Alberta, Canada

- Netta Iivari, University of Oulu, Finland

- Stefan Koch, Bogazici University, Turkey

- Fabio Kon, University of São Paulo, Brasil

- Luigi Lavazza, Università degli Studi dell’Insubria, Italy

- Eda Marchetti, ISTI-CNR, Italy

- Audris Mockus, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, USA

- Sandro Morasca, Università degli Studi dell’Insubria, Italy

- John Noll, Lero – the Irish Software Engineering Research Centre, Ireland

- Mauro Pezzè, University of Lugano, Switzerland

- Stephane Ribas, INRIA, France

- Gregorio Robles, Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, Italy

- Steve Schmid, Open Technology Foundation, Australia

- Alberto Sillitti, Free University of Bozen/Bolzano, Italy

- Diomidis Spinellis, Athens University of Economics and Business, Greece

- Megan Squire, Elon University, USA

- Klaas-Jan Stol, Lero – University of Limerick, Ireland

- Giancarlo Succi, Free University of Bozen/Bolzano, Italy

- Davide Tosi, Università degli Studi dell’Insubria, Italy

- Aaron Visaggio, University of Sannio, Italy

- Stefano Zacchiroli, Université de Paris Diderot, France

 

 

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From mueller at syr.edu  Thu Dec  4 09:56:12 2014
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:56:12 +0000
Subject: [governance] RE: From Confusion to Clarification
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2014-12-03 17:00 GMT-05:00 Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com<mailto:carolina.rossini at gmail.com>>:

A mid-term solution could be a wiki or pad with a list of topics and editable. So organizations can list the publications they wish and feel represent a good statement regarding a topic.

I feel that if we funnel it through a

Agree with Carolina. A committee of authors selected along the lines Wolfgang suggests would not be representative of the diversity of views, and expecting these authors to write something new when there are already hundreds of CS reports, manifestos, statements around seems pointless.

Milton L. Mueller
Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:04:34 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:04:34 -0800
Subject: [governance] FW: [JoCI] New Issue Published Special Issue:
 Community Informatics and Urban Planning
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While not specifically concerned with Internet Governance several of the articles in this special issue of the Journal of Community Informatics provide interesting and useful insights into what practical, effective bottom-up planning/consultation in supportive of democratic decision making might look like in our increasingly urban, complex and Internet enabled polities.

Readers:

The Journal of Community Informatics has just published its latest issue at http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej. We invite you to review the Table of Contents here and then visit our web site to review articles and items of interest.

Thanks for the continuing interest in our work, Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics, Vancouver CANADA Phone 604-602-0624 gurstein at gmail.com

The Journal of Community Informatics

Vol 10, No 3 (2014): Special Issue: Community Informatics and Urban Planning

Table of Contents

http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/issue/view/49

Editorial
--------
Community Informatics in Cities: New Catalysts for Urban Change
	Liisa Marjatta Horelli,	David Sadoway

Smart Cities vs. Smart Communities: Empowering Citizens not Market Economics
	Michael Gurstein


Articles
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Expanded Urban Planning as a Vehicle for Understanding and Shaping Smart, Liveable Cities
	Aija Staffans,	Liisa Horelli

Rethinking Third Places:  Contemporary Design With Technology
	Nemanja Memarovic,	Sidney Fels,	Junia Anacleto,	Roberto Calderon,	Federico
Gobbo,	John M. Carroll

Augmented Reality or Paper-Based Plans? A comparison of the advantages and disadvantages of their use in participatory processes based on different field tests
	Florian Reinwald,	Martin Berger,	Christop Stoik,	Mario Platzer,	Doris
Damyanovic

Urban cartography for pedestrians
	Konstantinos Chorianopoulos

Exploring the use of PPGIS in self-organizing urban development: Case softGIS in Pacific Beach
	Kaisa Schmidt-Thome,	Sirkku Wallin,	Tiina Laatikainen,	Jonna
Kangasoja,	Marketta Kyttä

Neighborhood Planning of Technology: Physical Meets Digital City from the Bottom-Up with Aging Payphones
	Benjamin Stokes,	François Bar,	Karl Baumann,	Ben Caldwell

Empowering Newcomers with Low-Tech Workshops and High-Tech Analyses
	Katia Balassiano,	Christopher J. Seeger

The ‘Urban Spacebook’ experimental process: Co-designing a Platform for Participation
	Corelia Elena Baibarac


Notes from the field
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(Re)Prioritizing Citizens in Smart Cities Governance: Examples of Smart Citizenship from Urban India
	David Sadoway,	Satyarupa Shekhar

Urban Acupuncture in the era on Ubiquitous Media
	Salvatore Iaconesi,	Oriana Persico

ICTS ENCOURAGING CHANGES IN THE CITIZEN'S RELATIONSHIP WITH GOVERNMENT AND URBAN SPACE: BRAZILIAN EXAMPLES
	Geisa Bugs

Local knowledge and the right to the hybrid city
	Panayotis Antoniadis,	Ileana Apostol

Strengthening the Environmental Third Sector in the Hyper-Digital Era
	Subas P. Dhakal


________________________________________________________________________ The Journal of Community Informatics http://www.ci-journal.net


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From ginger at paque.net  Fri Dec  5 07:39:39 2014
From: ginger at paque.net (Ginger Paque)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:39:39 -0600
Subject: [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
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Hi everyone,
I am just catching up after OC and MAG meetings, and find this to be a very
interesting concept, but with so many ideas, I have returned to the
original email. Wolfgang, is it possible for you to give us an
update/synthesis of how your would suggest we move forward, at this state
in the discussion?

Thanks so much,
Ginger

On 28 November 2014 at 01:21, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> Hi everybody
>
> After weeks of confusing conflicts let´s move towards clarifying
> collaboration. What we have seen in the recent (sometimes unfriendly)
> disputes is that there are many different  civil society activists with
> different civil society positions. This is confusing, both for newcomers
> who want to join civil society groups in Internet Governance discussions as
> well as for other stakeholders who want to collaborate with civil society.
> On the othher Hand: This is natural. The civil Society Stakeholder Groups
> has similar differences as the governmental stakeholder group if you
> compare the governmental positions of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, US, EU,
> Brazil, India, Japan, Australia etc.
> This not the Problem. The probllem is that you have to know what the
> position. So it is about transparency and clarity.
>
> Here is a proposal how to move forward:  We have seen so many people
> writing long e-mails arguing for their position. Wouldn´t it be better if
> we use this energy to write more comprehensive and structured position or
> issue papers so that newbies or outsiders will better understand what the
> real points under discussions are in CS circles? We have seen rather
> different arguments around the same issue from JNC to APC and NCUC folks.
>
> I propose that we start to work on what I call a “Civil Society Internet
> Governance Handbook”.  This handbook would allow all CS groups within the
> CSCG to present their own individual points of views so that everybody
> knows what the positions are. The book could be structured into four main
> chapters:
>
> 1.      Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
> 2.      Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
> 3.      Economic Development (Market domination, competition,
> infrastructure development etc.)
> 4.      Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
>
> Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC)
> could nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be
> free to argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is
> no need for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his
> radical, moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main
> issues.
>
> Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process
> and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of us.
>
> We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
> official texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.)
> until the May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around
> 250 pages. If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York
> event in December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG
> Community as a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in
> the emerging IG multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into
> the WSIS 10+ process.
>
> The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups)
> would be the editor.
>
> Any comment?
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec  5 07:56:49 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:26:49 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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On Wednesday 03 December 2014 10:40 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
> Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion?
>

What would we do without Prof Milton Mueller! Please do lead and direct 
us! More seriously, just stop being arrogant. It is simply annoying.

Now to the content of your email. But before that, I thank and 
congratulate you for fully and clearly responding to the 'Internet is 
neo-liberal' issue when I specifically asked you this question, which I 
agree is something you will in any case normally do.

> First, neo-liberalism is not per se a “vile label” unless you think 
> liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you 
> think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular 
> sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features 
> of liberalism as an ideology or movement.
>

  Since there is a direct question, nay challenge, let me respond fully. 
Please be so good as to see IT for Change's latest annual report 
<http://www.itforchange.net/ITfC_Annual_Report_2013-14/index.php/Main_Page> 
. At least read the covering statement as the director's report 
<http://www.itforchange.net/ITfC_Annual_Report_2013-14/index.php/Main_Page> 
.
Do we look like we have to defend or justify ourselves with regard to 
freedom of expression, association, choice, popular sovereignty and so 
on. There are specific deep works here with regard to each of them. Yes, 
each one of these ideals that you speak of.  Just to toneake  example, 
we developed a full, new theoretical framework of how digital 
capabilities can enhance informational power, communicative power and 
associational power (our theoretical formulations) of marginalised 
women, especially in terms of their political environments. And this 
framework was worked  and validated through action research in three 
countries over three continents. And that was just one example.

Now, about why would we still rally against neoliberalism, which if the 
above is true you kind of find schizophrenic? Because it is not just us 
but I claim that the majority of 'global' civil society actors today 
both work for these values and rally against neoliberalism. You sure 
know that the World Social Forum was born with anti- neoliberalism as 
its rallying cry. If you dont, see for instance this - 
http://www.wsfindia.org/ , and I quote its very first sentence

"*The World Social Forum is not an organisation,not a united front 
platform, but "…an open meeting place for reflective thinking, 
democratic debate of ideas, formulation of proposals, free exchange of 
experiences and inter-linking for effective action, by groups and 
movements of civil society that are opposed to neo- liberalism and to 
domination of the world by capital and any form of imperialism, and are 
committed to building a society centred on the human person".*

The wikipedia entry on World Social Forum describes it thus

"The World Social Forum prefers to define itself as "an opened space – 
plural, diverse, non-governmental and non-partisan – that stimulates the 
decentralized debate, reflection, proposals building, experiences 
exchange and alliances among movements and organizations engaged in 
concrete actions towards a more solidarity, democratic and fair 
world....a permanent space and process to build alternatives to 
neoliberalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism>."

It also says "some consider the World Social Forum to be a physical 
manifestation of global civil society".

Now, Milton, you do not have to agree to all this, but to dismiss it all 
as irrational, and someone's fancy etc would hardly be appropriate, dont 
you think. This is the meaning in which a very huge number of civil 
society  groups and people use the term, and employ it for there 
political activities, and you simply cannot dismiss this fact.
>
> Neo-liberalism in literal terms
>

It is more of a political term solidly embedded in contemporary history, 
and is best seem in that meaning and text, rather giving it any literal 
interpretations.

> simply refers to the revival of liberal thought that occurred in the 
> 1970s and 1980s (i.e., “neo” + “liberal”) following the economic 
> stagnation brought on by the excesses of the social democracy and 
> regulatory state that emerged in the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think 
> of the economic liberalizations of that period, it’s pretty hard to 
> argue with the record of stagflation, budget crises of the welfare 
> state, slowing or declining growth, and a record of complete failure 
> by socialist/communist economies that occurred in that period.
>

Yes, it emerged in that period, but you have a very different 
interpretation of 'how and to what end' which is very different from 
that of many others, including mine. There has been welcome 
liberalisation of economies in many places and in many areas, but 
neo-liberalism refers to an extreme and virulent version of a 
marketisation process, which is resisted by most civil society.

> Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of 
> market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that 
> many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from 
> market forces were failing and could be improved through the 
> introduction of competition and market forces.
>

Please see above. Neoliberalism is the extreme virulent kind/ level of 
marketisation of sectors that are not best suited for this purpose - or 
the extent to which they are sought to be marketised is not suitable. 
And with marketisation here we mean also a corresponding erosion of 
policy and regulation in these sectors.

> The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and 
> free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash 
> again st trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international 
> institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization 
> policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or 
> aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the 
> Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the 
> cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. 
> But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and 
> development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to 
> market forces and grew tremendously as a result.
>

Yes, but their is a difference between genuine controlled opening up, as 
in subject to due policy/ public interest processes, and the desire to 
be liberated from the latter, more or less entirely, which would be 
entering the space of what is called as neoliberalism. Milton, you will 
simply have to make this distinction. You cannot claim all the good that 
has happened in the last few decades as benefits of neoliberalism, in a 
take-all-or-leave-all approach.

> When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am 
> referring to several largely indisputable facts:
>
> a)Prior to ‘neoliberal’ policies the telecom system was the epitome of 
> social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces 
> were largely absent.
>

Yes, communications infrastructure was expensive, with inconsistent 
revenue opportunities, had a natural monopoly characteristic, and so 
on... For this reason it being run as by the public sector was often the 
norm. Most of them did not change fast enough as rapid, and often 
transformational, technology changes took place, and were washed away 
because of it. This happened almost everywhere across the world, which 
does not means that in that decade or two all the concerned governments 
become neoliberal. The same governments made so much lesser changes in 
other sectors. So there was something also quite unique to the ICT 
sector, and I suspect, everyone knows that, a technology windfall did 
happen.

> b)The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, 
> there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for 
> service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of 
> neoliberalism need to own up to this.
>

Yes and so, See above.. Neolibs cannot claim all the benefits of digital 
technologies windfall for themselves... It is more of tech windfall that 
made the huge transformation, and also changed  the organisational 
requirements around ICT infrastructure, for instance wireless 
technologies significantly reduced the 'natural monopoly' characteristic 
of ICT infrastructure. Those who made those organisational adjustments 
faster gained more, but as you have seen, an overwhelming countries have 
done it, without declaring themselves as fully neolib.

> c)Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive 
> decreases in pricing for telecom services
>
> d)Free trade agreements for IT equipment and “information services” 
> made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across 
> the world regardless of state censorship or regulation
>

Again, the picture is mixed. Brazil never signed the IT Agreement that 
you refer to, but isnt doing badly. India signed but have recently been 
ruing  the fact becuase its electronic hardware import today is next 
only to oil import, and there is practically zero local hardware 
industry. India is now making full use of the exceptions clauses in the 
ITA.

> In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development 
> and freedom,
>

I will leave unsubstantiated rhetoric aside...

> and you want to have an intelligent discussion
>

:).. Sorry, we down here are generally daft, you just have to put up 
with us...

> of the role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things 
> need to be taken into account.
>



> If you want to call people names, I’m not interested.
>

Milton, first, saying that the WEF centred NMI is a neoliberal thing is 
not name calling, we never referred to any person here. And second, do 
you realise that you frequently do name calling directly for specific 
persons, using terms like leftist, or even communist, and in fact in 
this email making references to lack of rationality and intelligence of 
some... That is name calling.

parminder

> --MM
>
> *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org 
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:47 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
>
> On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
>
>     Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles
>     to everything, including those areas in which such principles are
>     not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the
>     application of market principles to governance, as I said , the
>     pristine neoliberal governance model.
>
>
> You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and 
> feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and 
> imperialism at other times. I accept that you do so, yet I reject the 
> label you apply to me.
>
> I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in 
> the tussle among those with different set of principles.
>
> avri
>

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec  5 08:09:36 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:39:36 +0530
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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On Thursday 04 December 2014 12:35 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
>
> Milton,
>
>
> You are being too kind in describing the abject failure of those past 
> non-neo-liberal policies, which had truly vile effects.
>
>
> Waiting lists stretched up to...12 years...for a simple landline 
> phone, in admittedly 'worst' cases.
>
>
> Post-liberalization entry of mobile phones uncovered such extreme 
> unmet demand that 1st mobiles (with service subscription) could sell 
> for up to $50,000 - 20 years ago, in one case I am familiar with. Yeah 
> that's right, when all one could do with a mobile was make a call.
>


Lee

If you/ Milton would claim deregulation of the communication sector in 
1990s and 2000s  as a final triumph of neoliberalism then would you call 
the recent call by most US civil society groups, and also by your 
President, for re-regulating the Internet as a tier 2 (telecom) service, 
as the US slipping into socialism... Just for the sake of consistency 
perhaps :) . And perhaps to take from the 'Internet is neoliberal', 
epithet of Milton, can we say that the Internet is now on the way to 
becoming socialist..

Remember, it is Milton that proposed the neoliberal - socialist binary, 
and you seem to be supporting it. I am just further exploring the 
possible implications of that binary.

parminder

>
> Lee
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of Milton L Mueller 
> <mueller at syr.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 12:10 PM
> *To:* 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits 
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net'
> *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
>
> Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion?
>
> First, neo-liberalism is not per se a “vile label” unless you think 
> liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you 
> think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular 
> sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features 
> of liberalism as an ideology or movement.
>
> Neo-liberalism in literal terms simply refers to the revival of 
> liberal thought that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s (i.e., “neo” + 
> “liberal”) following the economic stagnation brought on by the 
> excesses of the social democracy and regulatory state that emerged in 
> the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think of the economic liberalizations 
> of that period, it’s pretty hard to argue with the record of 
> stagflation, budget crises of the welfare state, slowing or declining 
> growth, and a record of complete failure by socialist/communist 
> economies that occurred in that period.
>
> Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of 
> market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that 
> many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from 
> market forces were failing and could be improved through the 
> introduction of competition and market forces.
>
> The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and 
> free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash 
> against trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international 
> institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization 
> policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or 
> aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the 
> Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the 
> cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. 
> But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and 
> development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to 
> market forces and grew tremendously as a result.
>
> When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am 
> referring to several largely indisputable facts:
>
> a)Prior to ‘neoliberal’ policies the telecom system was the epitome of 
> social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces 
> were largely absent.
>
> b)The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, 
> there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for 
> service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of 
> neoliberalism need to own up to this.
>
> c)Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive 
> decreases in pricing for telecom services
>
> d)Free trade agreements for IT equipment and “information services” 
> made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across 
> the world regardless of state censorship or regulation
>
> In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development 
> and freedom, and you want to have an intelligent discussion of the 
> role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things need 
> to be taken into account. If you want to call people names, I’m not 
> interested.
>
> --MM
>
> *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org 
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:47 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
>
> On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
>
>     Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles
>     to everything, including those areas in which such principles are
>     not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the
>     application of market principles to governance, as I said , the
>     pristine neoliberal governance model.
>
>
> You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and 
> feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and 
> imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the 
> label you apply to me.
>
> I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in 
> the tussle among those with different set of principles.
>
> avri
>
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:00:52 2014
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:00:52 -0600
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?an_interesting_read=2E=2E=2E=2E_Comoros_Te?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?lecoms_=E2=80=93_The_challenges_of_privatizing_Africa=E2=80=99s?=
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http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-736/top-story/comoros-telecoms-the/en

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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Fri Dec  5 16:07:02 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:07:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Uganda IGF 2014 - Remote Participation
In-Reply-To: <CAM9VJk3V0EfrsD_TGL5apsefza0yDxdx-FkfYasJ+J7ETBz70Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABKLyKh=8WrUnBS_EhjoQnA-CXCUQFcz7psiZpiTUiAG6dFSNA@mail.gmail.com> <CABKLyKhnRCi9rPjpO2pg0eq1FH3++NOnO_SJzJo__Akh0O22wA@mail.gmail.com> <CAM9VJk3V0EfrsD_TGL5apsefza0yDxdx-FkfYasJ+J7ETBz70Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Joly,

I might need your help.

As my last post "The End of Internet Governance or The New Social Contract for the Internet" is up here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanchristophe-nothias/the-new-social-contract-for-the-internet_b_6273976.html

I did quote Vint Cerf, himself quoting (twisting) Jean-Jacques Rousseau. The para in the blog goes:
Stepping in political science, Vint Cerf made a telling attempt to quote Rousseau in a recent public chat. Google's "Chief Internet Evangelist" ineptly twisted the philosopher's Du Contrat Social, a major writing of the Enlightenment, which calls on citizens to abandon part of their personal sovereignty to a state. In turn, the state protects them and their right to electoral representation. Cerf read (see 01:30:10) that, "roughly speaking", Rousseau says: "Citizens give up some of their privacy in exchange for safety." This must be a different Rousseau, maybe one who works in the NSA's public relations department. Or perhaps this is just how Rousseau looks through Google Glass. Whatever the case, it's touching to see a computer scientist waxing philosophical about social justice, especially when it's the VP of Google trying to legitimate mass surveillance. Here, too, we see the Internet courting traditional politics, even if Cerf merely muddles them. Old power is new power.

I found this video in your ISOC thread, and watched several times, but for some reasons it doesn't show anymore. Do you have a transcription of your own or how can we get this link live? Thanks for your help
Here is a screen capture of the link in your thread. My transcription is right in the blog, but I would make sure that anyone can check it if wanting to do so, and eventually learn if you have any information of why the video link is now empty.

Very best
JC




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Le 3 déc. 2014 à 10:38, Joly MacFie a écrit :

> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:47 AM, Sarah Kiden <skiden at gmail.com> wrote:
> #UIGF14 
> 
> Thanks, Sarah! Better late than never! Posted at http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7285
> 
> j
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From joly at punkcast.com  Fri Dec  5 22:53:10 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:53:10 -0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Uganda IGF 2014 - Remote Participation
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:

> I found this video in your ISOC thread, and watched several times, but for
> some reasons it doesn't show anymore. Do you have a transcription of your
> own or how can we get this link live?


​Seems good to me at https://isoc-ny.org/p2/6910​- we have has a couple of
server hiccups in the last week - a rogue php script perhaps - that we are
yet to track down.

This was a preview of a full panel that can be see here:

​https://isoc-ny.org/p2/7225​


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From ahmed22digital at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 01:18:02 2014
From: ahmed22digital at gmail.com (ahmed eisa)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:18:02 +0300
Subject: [governance] first Sudan IGF
Message-ID: <CACKazKqnJ-L+FP3Ps2TPatG18bRspyPWbU9QQEWRk22H=7xtYw@mail.gmail.com>

dear friends
it is my pleasure to inform you that eng. Tarig Margani the secretory
general of Sudan internet society SIS invited many people on next Monday 8
December to start the sudan internet governance

Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa
+249123031155 Sudani

+249912331155 Zain

+249999331155  MTN
KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021

post code 12217


 http://www.gedaref.com/


Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit
organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where
ICT is used for community development.  GDCO is the winner of information
for development award  (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the
disabled, GDCO is the  winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations
at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the
initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and
other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the
winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in
Sudan.  The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the
founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the
thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the
founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750
computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for
community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG
(foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new
partnership for community development including people with disability
(especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture,
SeVO and other project
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From joly at punkcast.com  Sat Dec  6 03:18:35 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 03:18:35 -0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Uganda IGF 2014 - Remote Participation
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On further reading of your piece I see that the embedded link gives a 404
because somehow the ? in the url has become corrupted - try
http://youtu.be/a4JrYmprOiU

Also, you suggest viewing at 1:30:10 - however the piece ends at 1:23:23.

Using the share button on YouTube allows one to set a start time within a
link.

j

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
> Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
>
>> I found this video in your ISOC thread, and watched several times, but
>> for some reasons it doesn't show anymore. Do you have a transcription of
>> your own or how can we get this link live?
>
>
> ​Seems good to me at https://isoc-ny.org/p2/6910​- we have has a couple
> of server hiccups in the last week - a rogue php script perhaps - that we
> are yet to track down.
>
> This was a preview of a full panel that can be see here:
>
> ​https://isoc-ny.org/p2/7225​
>
>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 03:39:54 2014
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:39:54 +1300
Subject: [governance] first Sudan IGF
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Message-ID: <CAJwbTiDOg56c8bo=CN-aRb=fdhzT4+bjdjCJTc7OmRjtCgh8zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations!

I join you in your excitement on this exciting new step to building and
fostering dialogue.

Warm Regards,
Sala

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:18 PM, ahmed eisa <ahmed22digital at gmail.com> wrote:

> dear friends
> it is my pleasure to inform you that eng. Tarig Margani the secretory
> general of Sudan internet society SIS invited many people on next Monday 8
> December to start the sudan internet governance
>
> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa
> +249123031155 Sudani
>
> +249912331155 Zain
>
> +249999331155  MTN
> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021
>
> post code 12217
>
>
>  http://www.gedaref.com/
>
>
> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and
> nonprofit organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres
> movement where ICT is used for community development.  GDCO is the winner
> of information for development award  (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the
> inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the  winner of i4d 2008 awards for the
> best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009
> for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project
> and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the
> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in
> Sudan.  The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the
> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the
> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the
> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750
> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for
> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG
> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new
> partnership for community development including people with disability
> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture,
> SeVO and other project
>
>
>
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Sat Dec  6 04:12:44 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:12:44 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Uganda IGF 2014 - Remote Participation
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Joly,

Thanks, the timecode is 01:03:10! We'll make the edit with HuffPo asap.

The link works with Firefox and not Safari.

Thanks again for your help

JC


Le 6 déc. 2014 à 09:18, Joly MacFie a écrit :

> On further reading of your piece I see that the embedded link gives a 404 because somehow the ? in the url has become corrupted - try http://youtu.be/a4JrYmprOiU
> 
> Also, you suggest viewing at 1:30:10 - however the piece ends at 1:23:23.
> 
> Using the share button on YouTube allows one to set a start time within a link.
> 
> j
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
> I found this video in your ISOC thread, and watched several times, but for some reasons it doesn't show anymore. Do you have a transcription of your own or how can we get this link live?
> 
> ​Seems good to me at https://isoc-ny.org/p2/6910​- we have has a couple of server hiccups in the last week - a rogue php script perhaps - that we are yet to track down.
> 
> This was a preview of a full panel that can be see here: 
> 
> ​https://isoc-ny.org/p2/7225​
> 
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From joly at punkcast.com  Sat Dec  6 04:43:23 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:43:23 -0500
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Yep. so you will be on http://youtu.be/a4JrYmprOiU?t=1h3m10s

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:

> Joly,
>
> Thanks, the timecode is 01:03:10! We'll make the edit with HuffPo asap.
>
> The link works with Firefox and not Safari.
>
> Thanks again for your help
>
> JC
>
>
> Le 6 déc. 2014 à 09:18, Joly MacFie a écrit :
>
> On further reading of your piece I see that the embedded link gives a 404
> because somehow the ? in the url has become corrupted - try
> http://youtu.be/a4JrYmprOiU
>
> Also, you suggest viewing at 1:30:10 - however the piece ends at 1:23:23.
>
> Using the share button on YouTube allows one to set a start time within a
> link.
>
> j
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
>> Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I found this video in your ISOC thread, and watched several times, but
>>> for some reasons it doesn't show anymore. Do you have a transcription of
>>> your own or how can we get this link live?
>>
>>
>> ​Seems good to me at https://isoc-ny.org/p2/6910​- we have has a couple
>> of server hiccups in the last week - a rogue php script perhaps - that we
>> are yet to track down.
>>
>> This was a preview of a full panel that can be see here:
>>
>> ​https://isoc-ny.org/p2/7225​
>>
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> Joly MacFie  218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast
>> WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com
>>  http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com
>>  VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Sat Dec  6 04:51:09 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:51:09 +0100
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Thanks Joly

Good to learn every day

JC

Le 6 déc. 2014 à 10:43, Joly MacFie a écrit :

> http://youtu.be/a4JrYmprOiU?t=1h3m10s

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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Sun Dec  7 21:26:26 2014
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 02:26:26 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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Parminder,


I do agree that the pendulum swing of liberalization/deregulation of the late 70s (starting with airlines)/80s/90s/2000s may be seen as having run its course in the widespread calls and enthusiasm for 1930s telco re-regulation in the US; and the European Parliament, and elsewhere. Also known as the Title II issue. On other hand, odds of the FCC actually..listening to the President and not their Congressional budget-approving overseers...may have shifted post-mid-term election; similar to the Euro shift now underway led by Merkel's recent not-neutral statements.


So what label to put on the present era other than schizophrenic, which may be insulting to people with mental health challenges, I do not know, but agree that socialism is not the right term.


Nostalgia for the state when most folks are anti-state (and net) intrusions into their lives...is a condition for which I know neither the correct term nor cure, I admit. My own suggestion of a need for 'hybrid HetNet regulation' commencing with a Title I approach I explain a bit further below.


But still admittedly many are longing for an expanded role of the state in setting terms of trade for bit markets aka the net neutraility delusion (and I have already apologized in advance to anyone suffering from that or other delusional symptoms ; ) - at the same time many are afraid of the expansive role of the state in digital surveillance and in that sphere advocating for a more limited role of the state...except in select matters of national security, with each speaker and state wishing to carve their own exceptions. (Which in the case of North Korea apparently includes hacking Hollywood studios which dare make fun of...the dearest socialist leader still standing? ; )


Anyway, I do agree with you Parminder that the wave of digital technologies unfolding over the past decades has much to do with all of this, and neo-liberalism cannot take more than a share of the credit or blame depending upon one's perspective. But I also assume you are also not a technological determinist, and agree with me that human societies have shaped those technologies over time and will do so in future as well, whatever label we apply to the past and present.


While deregulation implies that things were previously regulated, I agree it does not presume a particular philosophy of governance.


Still, from a historical perspective, the coincidence of... the emergence of an Internet economy; the launch of the WTO and growth in global trade in services in the 1990s; and I admit, the extreme pressure the US government and we might also admit, allied capitalist institutions and economic forces encouraging/insisting governments to privatize their telecoms infrastructures first, and establish legal frameworks enabling national digital economies to emerge, I do agree with Milton, was not a coincidence.


Speaking as someone who was slammed online 20 years ago for helping organize workshops to discuss...gasp, the at the time the heretical notion (for some) that things might be bought and sold on the Internet, I do not mind being called out again for the same - neoliberal/pro-digital markets AND pro-information society sins! ; )


I do agree with you that it was a failure of state institutions whether in post-socialist Eastern Europe, or just state-owned cash cows milked and mismanaged in many other nations, which made the transition so abrupt.  But even where states were doing a good job managing their telco, that was not sufficient to enable a digital economy - and information society - to emerge; and heads of state of various political persuasions recognized this. The neoliberal 'law and economics' approach may not be without its limitations, but fit the times and technology.


I also agree with you that the advent of mobile telephony made it far easier to introduce competition and choice. Except...mobiles were invented decades earlier and only took off when...the European market was liberalized for cross-border entry and competition.


Anyway, as to labels, this is the label I am talking about now: 'Hybrid HetNet Regulation.'


Since, technically speaking, that is actually what (most) people mean/are concerned with when they apply terms like Net Neutrality to...hybrid heterogeneous networks.


So yes, I do expect hybrid heterogeneous networks, and over the top digital services to be regulated, but how precisely, ah that is indeed the gazillion dollar/future information society-defining question.


Letting NetFlix, the current biggest bandwidth hog of the US and Europe, and - coincidentally? the most vocal Title II advocate in the US - define our common futures, I suggest is unwise. Especially since they have recently been caught out in classic sleazy market-regulation manipulating behaviors...which indicates they are acting much more typically capitalist and less socialist in their calls for Title II regulation than some understand.


Sorry for the long-winded and not simple answer to your question: but in short, if you recall the film 'Brazil'...that's kind of feel I have for our present era ; )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wh2b1eZFUM


best,


Lee


PS:

My recent conference paper touching on some of these issues is at:


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265599051_Over_the_Virtual_Top._Digital_Service_Value_Chain_Disintermediation_Implications_for_Hybrid_Hetnet_Regulation?ev=prf_pub





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To: Lee W McKnight; 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net'; Milton L Mueller
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br


On Thursday 04 December 2014 12:35 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote:

Milton,


You are being too kind in describing the abject failure of those past non-neo-liberal policies, which had truly vile effects.


Waiting lists stretched up to...12 years...for a simple landline phone, in admittedly 'worst' cases.


Post-liberalization entry of mobile phones uncovered such extreme unmet demand that 1st mobiles (with service subscription) could sell for up to $50,000 - 20 years ago, in one case I am familiar with. Yeah that's right, when all one could do with a mobile was make a call.


Lee

If you/ Milton would claim deregulation of the communication sector in 1990s and 2000s  as a final triumph of neoliberalism then would you call the recent call by most US civil society groups, and also by your President, for re-regulating the Internet as a tier 2 (telecom) service, as the US slipping into socialism... Just for the sake of consistency perhaps :) . And perhaps to take from the 'Internet is neoliberal', epithet of Milton, can we say that the Internet is now on the way to becoming socialist..

Remember, it is Milton that proposed the neoliberal - socialist binary, and you seem to be supporting it. I am just further exploring the possible implications of that binary.

parminder



Lee



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Subject: RE: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br

Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion?

First, neo-liberalism is not per se a “vile label” unless you think liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features of liberalism as an ideology or movement.

Neo-liberalism in literal terms simply refers to the revival of liberal thought that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s (i.e., “neo” + “liberal”) following the economic stagnation brought on by the excesses of the social democracy and regulatory state that emerged in the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think of the economic liberalizations of that period, it’s pretty hard to argue with the record of stagflation, budget crises of the welfare state, slowing or declining growth, and a record of complete failure by socialist/communist economies that occurred in that period.

Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from market forces were failing and could be improved through the introduction of competition and market forces.

The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash against trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to market forces and grew tremendously as a result.

When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am referring to several largely indisputable facts:

a)      Prior to ‘neoliberal’ policies the telecom system was the epitome of social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces were largely absent.

b)      The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of neoliberalism need to own up to this.

c)       Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive decreases in pricing for telecom services

d)      Free trade agreements for IT equipment and “information services” made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across the world regardless of state censorship or regulation

In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development and freedom, and you want to have an intelligent discussion of the role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things need to be taken into account. If you want to call people names, I’m not interested.

--MM

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Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br


On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model.

You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.

I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.

avri



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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Mon Dec  8 04:59:59 2014
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Mon Dec  8 05:33:49 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:33:49 +0100
Subject: [governance] An Uptade on the NMI from ISOC
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Well, I believe Kathy Brown's post is rather explicit: ISOC is still not close from joining NMI:

While the CGI "Further Clarification" brings more clarity to the discussions and is a positive step forward, it is fair to say that issues, including the need for the NMI Council, its selection, financial transparency and long-term objectives and goals, remain.

There is little to no doubt, that CGIbr's clarification came after the Brazilian government expressed some concerns, in particular regarding respective roles, and governmental contributions. This CGIbr clarification reaffirms the
role of states as envisaged in the Tunis Agenda, and confirms the Just Net Coalition's understanding that the Netmudial outcome reaffirmed that role. Please refer to (7) of the clarification, which states:

"7) Any questions or proposed solutions involving the government sector,
such as cybercrime, for example, must necessarily be brought to the
attention of national governments and / or be channeled to existing or
planned international processes. This procedure is consistent with the
provisions of the NETmundial Declaration, which recognizes that certain
issues require international treatment, taking into account the role and
responsibility of governments on specific topics related to their
sovereignty; but at the same time reaffirms the need, even in these cases,
that the discussions take place in a multistakeholder format."

Everyone should listen to Rousseff's UN speech, and the emphasize she put on multilateralism and the roles of governance in regard to protect the rights of citizen, including the long list we are all well acquainted with. From Rousseff's stance to NM, there is an incredible stretch that first look like a victory for the multistakeholder ideology. Maybe, now that Rousseff is back in her seat, she and others at Brazilian government begin to realize what happen and are backing up. Who knows? This reminder is not to say that, in my personal capacity, or JNC's, I am supporting an excessive role for governments in any future Digital framework of national and transnational overarching system or mechanism based on the rule of law, whether national or international law. But indeed we have to acknowledge their specific role (responsibilities and duties) to their citizens (having constructive discussions and debates).



Le 8 déc. 2014 à 10:59, Arsene TUNGALI a écrit :

> Just in case you haven't read this.
> 
> This becomes More and more interesting. The debate continues on whether to participate or not to.
> 
> A message from ISOC re NMI: http://www.internetsociety.org/node/344730
> 
> Can we say that the ISOC is on it's way to join thr NMI?
> 
> Surely more is to come. Whatch out!
> 
> Regards,
> A
> 
> ------------------
> Arsene Tungali,
> Executive Director, Rudi International
> www.rudiinternational.org
> 
> Founder, Mabingwa Forum
> www.mabingwa-forum.com
> Phone:+243993810967
> 
> ICANN Fellow | ISOC Member | Child Online Protection Advocate | Youth Leader | Internet Governance.
> Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)
> 
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Mon Dec  8 05:43:45 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:43:45 +0100
Subject: [governance] An Uptade on the NMI from ISOC
In-Reply-To: <6D3BC7F3-C4FB-4F6F-801B-43DF088F085B@theglobaljournal.net>
References: <1418032799.69121.YahooMailIosMobile@web28703.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <6D3BC7F3-C4FB-4F6F-801B-43DF088F085B@theglobaljournal.net>
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Just for clarity, I am sure everyone will read me well when I write:

"This reminder is not to say that, in my personal capacity, or JNC's, I am supporting an excessive role for governments in any future Digital framework"

it means

" I am NOT supporting an excessive role for governments in any future Digital framework"

;-)



Le 8 déc. 2014 à 11:33, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal a écrit :

> Well, I believe Kathy Brown's post is rather explicit: ISOC is still not close from joining NMI:
> 
> While the CGI "Further Clarification" brings more clarity to the discussions and is a positive step forward, it is fair to say that issues, including the need for the NMI Council, its selection, financial transparency and long-term objectives and goals, remain.
> 
> There is little to no doubt, that CGIbr's clarification came after the Brazilian government expressed some concerns, in particular regarding respective roles, and governmental contributions. This CGIbr clarification reaffirms the
> role of states as envisaged in the Tunis Agenda, and confirms the Just Net Coalition's understanding that the Netmudial outcome reaffirmed that role. Please refer to (7) of the clarification, which states:
> 
> "7) Any questions or proposed solutions involving the government sector,
> such as cybercrime, for example, must necessarily be brought to the
> attention of national governments and / or be channeled to existing or
> planned international processes. This procedure is consistent with the
> provisions of the NETmundial Declaration, which recognizes that certain
> issues require international treatment, taking into account the role and
> responsibility of governments on specific topics related to their
> sovereignty; but at the same time reaffirms the need, even in these cases,
> that the discussions take place in a multistakeholder format."
> 
> Everyone should listen to Rousseff's UN speech, and the emphasize she put on multilateralism and the roles of governance in regard to protect the rights of citizen, including the long list we are all well acquainted with. From Rousseff's stance to NM, there is an incredible stretch that first look like a victory for the multistakeholder ideology. Maybe, now that Rousseff is back in her seat, she and others at Brazilian government begin to realize what happen and are backing up. Who knows? This reminder is not to say that, in my personal capacity, or JNC's, I am supporting an excessive role for governments in any future Digital framework of national and transnational overarching system or mechanism based on the rule of law, whether national or international law. But indeed we have to acknowledge their specific role (responsibilities and duties) to their citizens (having constructive discussions and debates).
> 
> 
> 
> Le 8 déc. 2014 à 10:59, Arsene TUNGALI a écrit :
> 
>> Just in case you haven't read this.
>> 
>> This becomes More and more interesting. The debate continues on whether to participate or not to.
>> 
>> A message from ISOC re NMI: http://www.internetsociety.org/node/344730
>> 
>> Can we say that the ISOC is on it's way to join thr NMI?
>> 
>> Surely more is to come. Whatch out!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> A
>> 
>> ------------------
>> Arsene Tungali,
>> Executive Director, Rudi International
>> www.rudiinternational.org
>> 
>> Founder, Mabingwa Forum
>> www.mabingwa-forum.com
>> Phone:+243993810967
>> 
>> ICANN Fellow | ISOC Member | Child Online Protection Advocate | Youth Leader | Internet Governance.
>> Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Mon Dec  8 06:20:09 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:20:09 +0100
Subject: [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
In-Reply-To: <7D3020CFCA634CBB99DFA5C51F8840FB@Toshiba>
References: <793FFF2DB19A4177851ACCDC06269034@Toshiba> <54762985.2010101@apc.org> <053001d009ba$768cf260$63a6d720$@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8016428EE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <7D3020CFCA634CBB99DFA5C51F8840FB@Toshiba>
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Wolfgang,

Following up on your original idea and suggestion of an e-book, and as you suggested Ian to be the Editor for the project, why not ask Ian to elaborate a bit more about his vision of the work to be done. Ian mentioned the media alliance project and I have been looking into it. It is absolutely fascinating. "New World Information Order" in the 70's with incredible guts! It deserves everyone's respect.

On a very personal note, I would definitely appreciate you encouraging Ian to move on his vision for the suggested project. That could ignite further constructive debate and work from the participants.

Thanks
JC

I cannot refrain to quote this from the Media Alliance website
The published results of this UNESCO project became perhaps the most maliciously attacked volume (pre-Rushdie) in the twentieth century. Named for the chairman of the commission, Sean MacBride (founder of Amnesty International, great Irish patriot, son of Maude Gonne, the only person to win both the Lenin and Nobel Peace Prizes, and whose tireless efforts for justice in the world only ended with his death at age 92), The MacBride Report: Many Voices, One World, dared to propose ways in which other voices could be heard. It saw the essentially "one-way" flow of information as a problem to be reckoned with and contained suggestions for making media production accessible throughout the world.



Le 29 nov. 2014 à 04:11, Ian Peter a écrit :

> WTF? You want CSCG (JNC, BB, IGC, NCSG APC etc) to write a book on CS perspectives on IG for CSTD in May or perhaps IGF?
> 
> With no acronyms?
> 
> But seriously I think it is a good idea to produce something like this. As long as its a genuine collaborative effort.
> 
> Perhaps it could be called "Many Voices, One World" in memory of the thwarted 1980 attempt to provide alternative perspectives on issues of media and governance in that era.
> 
> (A good summary of the 1980 events - something we should all be aware of - can be found in the first part of the article here http://www.media-alliance.org/article.php?id=472 )
> 
> Well there goes any suggestion of my involvement in an editorial role unless you want the work to be banned... but I am happy to support this idea!
> 
> 
> 
> Ian Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:21 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; michael gurstein ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
> 
> Hi everybody
> 
> After weeks of confusing conflicts let´s move towards clarifying collaboration. What we have seen in the recent (sometimes unfriendly) disputes is that there are many different  civil society activists with different civil society positions. This is confusing, both for newcomers who want to join civil society groups in Internet Governance discussions as well as for other stakeholders who want to collaborate with civil society. On the othher Hand: This is natural. The civil Society Stakeholder Groups has similar differences as the governmental stakeholder group if you compare the governmental positions of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, US, EU, Brazil, India, Japan, Australia etc.
> This not the Problem. The probllem is that you have to know what the position. So it is about transparency and clarity.
> 
> Here is a proposal how to move forward:  We have seen so many people writing long e-mails arguing for their position. Wouldn´t it be better if we use this energy to write more comprehensive and structured position or issue papers so that newbies or outsiders will better understand what the real points under discussions are in CS circles? We have seen rather different arguments around the same issue from JNC to APC and NCUC folks.
> 
> I propose that we start to work on what I call a “Civil Society Internet Governance Handbook”.  This handbook would allow all CS groups within the CSCG to present their own individual points of views so that everybody knows what the positions are. The book could be structured into four main chapters:
> 
> 1. Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
> 2. Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
> 3. Economic Development (Market domination, competition, infrastructure development etc.)
> 4. Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
> 
> Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC) could nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be free to argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is no need for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his radical, moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main issues.
> 
> Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of us.
> 
> We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main official texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.) until the May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around 250 pages. If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York event in December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG Community as a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in the emerging IG multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into the WSIS 10+ process.
> 
> The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups) would be the editor.
> 
> Any comment?
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 07:16:00 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:16:00 +0300
Subject: [JNC - Forum] [governance] From Confusion to Clarification
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I am skeptical of this enterprise for a variety of reasons but even within
that skepticism the more or less complete absence of issues/topics in the
proposed ToC relating to ICTs and Development—the major point of WSIS after
all--is particularly egregious. This and the fact that virtually no one
(with the possible exception of Nnenna) commenting on the proposal seems to
have noticed, only points to how far CS in IG has regressed from any
connection with its roots in a concern for social justice in the context of
the Information Society.

 

M

 

From: Forum [mailto:forum-bounces at justnetcoalition.org] On Behalf Of
Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 2:20 PM
To: Governance IGC; Wolfgang Kleinwächter
Cc: forum Org
Subject: Re: [JNC - Forum] [governance] From Confusion to Clarification

 

Wolfgang,




Following up on your original idea and suggestion of an e-book, and as you
suggested Ian to be the Editor for the project, why not ask Ian to elaborate
a bit more about his vision of the work to be done. Ian mentioned the media
alliance project and I have been looking into it. It is absolutely
fascinating. "New World Information Order" in the 70's with incredible guts!
It deserves everyone's respect.

 

On a very personal note, I would definitely appreciate you encouraging Ian
to move on his vision for the suggested project. That could ignite further
constructive debate and work from the participants.

 

Thanks

JC

 

I cannot refrain to quote this from the Media Alliance website
<http://www.media-alliance.org/article.php?id=472> 

The published results of this UNESCO project became perhaps the most
maliciously attacked volume (pre-Rushdie) in the twentieth century. Named
for the chairman of the commission, Sean MacBride (founder of Amnesty
International, great Irish patriot, son of Maude Gonne, the only person to
win both the Lenin and Nobel Peace Prizes, and whose tireless efforts for
justice in the world only ended with his death at age 92), The MacBride
Report: Many Voices, One World, dared to propose ways in which other voices
could be heard. It saw the essentially "one-way" flow of information as a
problem to be reckoned with and contained suggestions for making media
production accessible throughout the world.

 

 

 

Le 29 nov. 2014 à 04:11, Ian Peter a écrit :





WTF? You want CSCG (JNC, BB, IGC, NCSG APC etc) to write a book on CS
perspectives on IG for CSTD in May or perhaps IGF?

With no acronyms?

But seriously I think it is a good idea to produce something like this. As
long as its a genuine collaborative effort.

Perhaps it could be called "Many Voices, One World" in memory of the
thwarted 1980 attempt to provide alternative perspectives on issues of media
and governance in that era.

(A good summary of the 1980 events - something we should all be aware of -
can be found in the first part of the article here
http://www.media-alliance.org/article.php?id=472 )

Well there goes any suggestion of my involvement in an editorial role unless
you want the work to be banned... but I am happy to support this idea!



Ian Peter







-----Original Message----- From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:21 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; michael gurstein ;
bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: [governance] From Confusion to Clarification

Hi everybody

After weeks of confusing conflicts let´s move towards clarifying
collaboration. What we have seen in the recent (sometimes unfriendly)
disputes is that there are many different  civil society activists with
different civil society positions. This is confusing, both for newcomers who
want to join civil society groups in Internet Governance discussions as well
as for other stakeholders who want to collaborate with civil society. On the
othher Hand: This is natural. The civil Society Stakeholder Groups has
similar differences as the governmental stakeholder group if you compare the
governmental positions of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, US, EU, Brazil,
India, Japan, Australia etc.
This not the Problem. The probllem is that you have to know what the
position. So it is about transparency and clarity.

Here is a proposal how to move forward:  We have seen so many people writing
long e-mails arguing for their position. Wouldn´t it be better if we use
this energy to write more comprehensive and structured position or issue
papers so that newbies or outsiders will better understand what the real
points under discussions are in CS circles? We have seen rather different
arguments around the same issue from JNC to APC and NCUC folks.

I propose that we start to work on what I call a “Civil Society Internet
Governance Handbook”.  This handbook would allow all CS groups within the
CSCG to present their own individual points of views so that everybody knows
what the positions are. The book could be structured into four main
chapters:

1. Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
2. Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
3. Economic Development (Market domination, competition, infrastructure
development etc.)
4. Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)

Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC) could
nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be free to
argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is no need
for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his radical,
moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main issues.

Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process and
would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of us.

We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
official texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.)
until the May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around
250 pages. If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York event
in December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG Community as
a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in the emerging
IG multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into the WSIS 10+
process.

The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups)
would be the editor.

Any comment?

Wolfgang








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From jlfullsack at orange.fr  Mon Dec  8 09:05:57 2014
From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:05:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?WSIS+10=5FPropositions_faites_par_JLF/CESI?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?R_=C3=A0_la_CSTD?=
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Bonjour Jean-Chrirophe

Je te transmets le texte de mes interventions à la réunion du Vendredi 28 novembre du Panel intersessionnel de la CSTD au titre de WSIS+10 et au tittre de son programme au-delà de 2015

Commentaires bienvenus

 

Bonne lecture

 

Amicalement

 

Jean-Louis Fullsack

CESIR

 

 

 

 

> Message du 08/12/14 11:34
> De : "Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal" 
> A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Arsene TUNGALI" 
> Copie à : "Best Bits" 
> Objet : Re: [governance] An Uptade on the NMI from ISOC
> 
>
Well, I believe Kathy Brown's post is rather explicit: ISOC is still not close from joining NMI:
> 
 
While the CGI "Further Clarification" brings more clarity to the discussions and is a positive step forward, it is fair to say that issues, including the need for the NMI Council, its selection, financial transparency and long-term objectives and goals, remain.

> 
There is little to no doubt, that CGIbr's clarification came after the Brazilian government expressed some concerns, in particular regarding respective roles, and governmental contributions. This CGIbr clarification reaffirms the
role of states as envisaged in the Tunis Agenda, and confirms the Just Net Coalition's understanding that the Netmudial outcome reaffirmed that role. Please refer to (7) of the clarification, which states:
> 
> "7) Any questions or proposed solutions involving the government sector,
> such as cybercrime, for example, must necessarily be brought to the
> attention of national governments and / or be channeled to existing or
> planned international processes. This procedure is consistent with the
> provisions of the NETmundial Declaration, which recognizes that certain
> issues require international treatment, taking into account the role and
> responsibility of governments on specific topics related to their
> sovereignty; but at the same time reaffirms the need, even in these cases,
> that the discussions take place in a multistakeholder format."

> 
Everyone should listen to Rousseff's UN speech, and the emphasize she put on multilateralism and the roles of governance in regard to protect the rights of citizen, including the long list we are all well acquainted with. From Rousseff's stance to NM, there is an incredible stretch that first look like a victory for the multistakeholder ideology. Maybe, now that Rousseff is back in her seat, she and others at Brazilian government begin to realize what happen and are backing up. Who knows? This reminder is not to say that, in my personal capacity, or JNC's, I am supporting an excessive role for governments in any future Digital framework of national and transnational overarching system or mechanism based on the rule of law, whether national or international law. But indeed we have to acknowledge their specific role (responsibilities and duties) to their citizens (having constructive discussions and debates).

> 

> 

>

Le 8 déc. 2014 à 10:59, Arsene TUNGALI a écrit :







Just in case you haven't read this.

>
This becomes More and more interesting. The debate continues on whether to participate or not to.

>
A message from ISOC re NMI: http://www.internetsociety.org/node/344730

>
Can we say that the ISOC is on it's way to join thr NMI?

>
Surely more is to come. Whatch out!

>
Regards,
A
> 
> ------------------
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> www.rudiinternational.org
> 
> Founder, Mabingwa Forum
> www.mabingwa-forum.com
> Phone:+243993810967
> 
> ICANN Fellow | ISOC Member | Child Online Protection Advocate | Youth Leader | Internet Governance.
> Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)
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From bzs at world.std.com  Mon Dec  8 14:53:36 2014
From: bzs at world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:53:36 -0500
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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From: Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu>
>Letting NetFlix, the current biggest bandwidth hog of the US and Europe, an=
>d - coincidentally? the most vocal Title II advocate in the US - define our=
> common futures, I suggest is unwise. Especially since they have recently b=
>een caught out in classic sleazy market-regulation manipulating behaviors..=
>.which indicates they are acting much more typically capitalist and less so=
>cialist in their calls for Title II regulation than some understand.

Citing NetFlix without mentioning that their primary complaint was
with Comcast, a vast company who built their empire out of local and
other govt-protected monopolies or very small-N oligopolies -- the
other small 'N' such as Verizon being similar beneficiaries of govt
largesse and thus cross-subsidization -- seems disingenuous.

Comcast has built what could be described informally as a vertical
trust with control of a huge share of the US last-mile internet
business, ownership of NBC Universal, and a cable TV system with a
large on-demand business in direct competition with NetFlix. And
internet infrastructure to support that.

Plus vast new acquisitions of competitors even within their own space.
Comcast's proposed acquisition of the also very large Time-Warner
cable system I believe would give them about 60% of all CATV (and
hence last-mile DOCSIS) connections.

Personally I don't think the solution is via an FCC Title II
regulation application.

I think it's through the DoJ and FTC to break up these govt-subsidized
vertical trusts and separate wire-plant from their content business.

By granting these mono/oligopolies -- to even call them oligopolies is
almost hair-splitting, often the 'small N' is '1' or one plus the
incumbent phone monopoly -- the govt created this market distortion
and it seems appropriate for the govt to intervene.

This is not free market economics in action at all.

Or, if we sincerely do want less govt intervention in these
businesses, then remove the protections and let anyone go into these
businesses. For example let's let NetFlix sell CATV etc which
currently they would be forbidden BY LAW from doing in most major
venues.

P.S. Here in Boston we can't even get Verizon's FiOS, why is a longer
story but the effect is it's Comcast or nothing other than Verizon DSL
which doesn't include CATV etc service and is waning for good reason
everywhere. And, yes, the lack of FiOS arises from the exclusivity
granted by the City of Boston to Comcast. I suppose there's also dish
TV and in some places a small RCN presence but that's almost quibbling
at this point.

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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Mon Dec  8 16:42:34 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:42:34 +0100
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Cher Jean-Louis,

Merci pour ton message et tes notes. Je souris en pensant que j'ai un peu bousculé l'un de nos camarades brésiliens sur les "prénoms" mais vois avec une certaine joie que tu m'as rebaptisé Jean-Chrirophe, à la manière d'un enfant qui aurait du mal à prononcer ce prénom. Bref, cela détend.

J'ai parcouru tes interventions. Je pense que ton angle d'attaque est majeur et primordial. Je dois réfléchir à l'idée de ton forum qui aurait pour vocation principale cet aspect économique que tu évoques. Et qui n'a pas encore trouvé preneur. Cela mériterait que je creuse un peu. Si tu as quelques informations pour entrer un peu plus dans le sujet, cela m'aiderait. Car en l'état il manque une sorte de point d'entrée, un point de cristallisation si j'ose dire. Les trous noirs ne manquent pas en matière d'Internet dès lors que l'on soulève le voile économique. Si l'on regarder n'importe quelle époque et que l'on en recherche les tabous, alors on met rapidement le doigt sur ce qui fâche très fort. A suivre donc.

Amicalement à toi aussi
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Le 8 déc. 2014 à 15:05, Jean-Louis FULLSACK a écrit :

> Bonjour Jean-Chrirophe
> 
> Je te transmets le texte de mes interventions à la réunion du Vendredi 28 novembre du Panel intersessionnel de la CSTD au titre de WSIS+10 et au tittre de son programme au-delà de 2015
> 
> Commentaires bienvenus
> 
>  
> Bonne lecture
> 
>  
> Amicalement
> 
>  
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> 
> CESIR
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> > Message du 08/12/14 11:34
> > De : "Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal" <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>
> > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Arsene TUNGALI" <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr>
> > Copie à : "Best Bits" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> > Objet : Re: [governance] An Uptade on the NMI from ISOC
> > 
> >
> Well, I believe Kathy Brown's post is rather explicit: ISOC is still not close from joining NMI:
> >
>  
> While the CGI "Further Clarification" brings more clarity to the discussions and is a positive step forward, it is fair to say that issues, including the need for the NMI Council, its selection, financial transparency and long-term objectives and goals, remain.
> 
> >
> There is little to no doubt, that CGIbr's clarification came after the Brazilian government expressed some concerns, in particular regarding respective roles, and governmental contributions. This CGIbr clarification reaffirms the
> role of states as envisaged in the Tunis Agenda, and confirms the Just Net Coalition's understanding that the Netmudial outcome reaffirmed that role. Please refer to (7) of the clarification, which states:
> > 
> > "7) Any questions or proposed solutions involving the government sector,
> > such as cybercrime, for example, must necessarily be brought to the
> > attention of national governments and / or be channeled to existing or
> > planned international processes. This procedure is consistent with the
> > provisions of the NETmundial Declaration, which recognizes that certain
> > issues require international treatment, taking into account the role and
> > responsibility of governments on specific topics related to their
> > sovereignty; but at the same time reaffirms the need, even in these cases,
> > that the discussions take place in a multistakeholder format."
> 
> >
> Everyone should listen to Rousseff's UN speech, and the emphasize she put on multilateralism and the roles of governance in regard to protect the rights of citizen, including the long list we are all well acquainted with. From Rousseff's stance to NM, there is an incredible stretch that first look like a victory for the multistakeholder ideology. Maybe, now that Rousseff is back in her seat, she and others at Brazilian government begin to realize what happen and are backing up. Who knows? This reminder is not to say that, in my personal capacity, or JNC's, I am supporting an excessive role for governments in any future Digital framework of national and transnational overarching system or mechanism based on the rule of law, whether national or international law. But indeed we have to acknowledge their specific role (responsibilities and duties) to their citizens (having constructive discussions and debates).
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> Le 8 déc. 2014 à 10:59, Arsene TUNGALI a écrit :
> 
> Just in case you haven't read this.
> 
> >
> This becomes More and more interesting. The debate continues on whether to participate or not to.
> 
> >
> A message from ISOC re NMI: http://www.internetsociety.org/node/344730
> 
> >
> Can we say that the ISOC is on it's way to join thr NMI?
> 
> >
> Surely more is to come. Whatch out!
> 
> >
> Regards,
> A
> > 
> > ------------------
> > Arsene Tungali,
> > Executive Director, Rudi International
> > www.rudiinternational.org
> > 
> > Founder, Mabingwa Forum
> > www.mabingwa-forum.com
> > Phone:+243993810967
> > 
> > ICANN Fellow | ISOC Member | Child Online Protection Advocate | Youth Leader | Internet Governance.
> > Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)
> > 
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From mueller at syr.edu  Mon Dec  8 17:06:20 2014
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:06:20 +0000
Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br
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Lee:
The most intelligent NN advocates see antidiscrimination rules as a method of enhancing robust market competition among online services, not as a turn away from liberalization.

But there are some neo-New Dealers among NN advocates who want a return to monopoly infrastructure and public utility status. Those folks are going to lose in the US, I dunno about other countries. They will lose on the merits because people understand how overly burdensome regulation of network operators will indeed discourage investment and undercut broadband expansion goals.

--MM

From: Lee W McKnight
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:26 PM
To: parminder; 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net'; Milton L Mueller
Subject: RE: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br


Parminder,



I do agree that the pendulum swing of liberalization/deregulation of the late 70s (starting with airlines)/80s/90s/2000s may be seen as having run its course in the widespread calls and enthusiasm for 1930s telco re-regulation in the US; and the European Parliament, and elsewhere. Also known as the Title II issue. On other hand, odds of the FCC actually..listening to the President and not their Congressional budget-approving overseers...may have shifted post-mid-term election; similar to the Euro shift now underway led by Merkel's recent not-neutral statements.



So what label to put on the present era other than schizophrenic, which may be insulting to people with mental health challenges, I do not know, but agree that socialism is not the right term.



Nostalgia for the state when most folks are anti-state (and net) intrusions into their lives...is a condition for which I know neither the correct term nor cure, I admit. My own suggestion of a need for 'hybrid HetNet regulation' commencing with a Title I approach I explain a bit further below.



But still admittedly many are longing for an expanded role of the state in setting terms of trade for bit markets aka the net neutraility delusion (and I have already apologized in advance to anyone suffering from that or other delusional symptoms ; ) - at the same time many are afraid of the expansive role of the state in digital surveillance and in that sphere advocating for a more limited role of the state...except in select matters of national security, with each speaker and state wishing to carve their own exceptions. (Which in the case of North Korea apparently includes hacking Hollywood studios which dare make fun of...the dearest socialist leader still standing? ; )



Anyway, I do agree with you Parminder that the wave of digital technologies unfolding over the past decades has much to do with all of this, and neo-liberalism cannot take more than a share of the credit or blame depending upon one's perspective. But I also assume you are also not a technological determinist, and agree with me that human societies have shaped those technologies over time and will do so in future as well, whatever label we apply to the past and present.



While deregulation implies that things were previously regulated, I agree it does not presume a particular philosophy of governance.



Still, from a historical perspective, the coincidence of... the emergence of an Internet economy; the launch of the WTO and growth in global trade in services in the 1990s; and I admit, the extreme pressure the US government and we might also admit, allied capitalist institutions and economic forces encouraging/insisting governments to privatize their telecoms infrastructures first, and establish legal frameworks enabling national digital economies to emerge, I do agree with Milton, was not a coincidence.



Speaking as someone who was slammed online 20 years ago for helping organize workshops to discuss...gasp, the at the time the heretical notion (for some) that things might be bought and sold on the Internet, I do not mind being called out again for the same - neoliberal/pro-digital markets AND pro-information society sins! ; )



I do agree with you that it was a failure of state institutions whether in post-socialist Eastern Europe, or just state-owned cash cows milked and mismanaged in many other nations, which made the transition so abrupt.  But even where states were doing a good job managing their telco, that was not sufficient to enable a digital economy - and information society - to emerge; and heads of state of various political persuasions recognized this. The neoliberal 'law and economics' approach may not be without its limitations, but fit the times and technology.



I also agree with you that the advent of mobile telephony made it far easier to introduce competition and choice. Except...mobiles were invented decades earlier and only took off when...the European market was liberalized for cross-border entry and competition.



Anyway, as to labels, this is the label I am talking about now: 'Hybrid HetNet Regulation.'



Since, technically speaking, that is actually what (most) people mean/are concerned with when they apply terms like Net Neutrality to...hybrid heterogeneous networks.



So yes, I do expect hybrid heterogeneous networks, and over the top digital services to be regulated, but how precisely, ah that is indeed the gazillion dollar/future information society-defining question.



Letting NetFlix, the current biggest bandwidth hog of the US and Europe, and - coincidentally? the most vocal Title II advocate in the US - define our common futures, I suggest is unwise. Especially since they have recently been caught out in classic sleazy market-regulation manipulating behaviors...which indicates they are acting much more typically capitalist and less socialist in their calls for Title II regulation than some understand.



Sorry for the long-winded and not simple answer to your question: but in short, if you recall the film 'Brazil'...that's kind of feel I have for our present era ; )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wh2b1eZFUM



best,



Lee



PS:
My recent conference paper touching on some of these issues is at:


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265599051_Over_the_Virtual_Top._Digital_Service_Value_Chain_Disintermediation_Implications_for_Hybrid_Hetnet_Regulation?ev=prf_pub









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Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 8:09 AM
To: Lee W McKnight; 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>'; Milton L Mueller
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br


On Thursday 04 December 2014 12:35 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote:

Milton,



You are being too kind in describing the abject failure of those past non-neo-liberal policies, which had truly vile effects.



Waiting lists stretched up to...12 years...for a simple landline phone, in admittedly 'worst' cases.



Post-liberalization entry of mobile phones uncovered such extreme unmet demand that 1st mobiles (with service subscription) could sell for up to $50,000 - 20 years ago, in one case I am familiar with. Yeah that's right, when all one could do with a mobile was make a call.


Lee

If you/ Milton would claim deregulation of the communication sector in 1990s and 2000s  as a final triumph of neoliberalism then would you call the recent call by most US civil society groups, and also by your President, for re-regulating the Internet as a tier 2 (telecom) service, as the US slipping into socialism... Just for the sake of consistency perhaps :) . And perhaps to take from the 'Internet is neoliberal', epithet of Milton, can we say that the Internet is now on the way to becoming socialist..

Remember, it is Milton that proposed the neoliberal - socialist binary, and you seem to be supporting it. I am just further exploring the possible implications of that binary.

parminder





Lee





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From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org><mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu><mailto:mueller at syr.edu>
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To: 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>'; 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>'
Subject: RE: [bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br

Can I introduce some rationality to this discussion?

First, neo-liberalism is not per se a "vile label" unless you think liberalism is vile, in which case you need to explain to me why you think freedom of thought, expression, association, choice, popular sovereignty and free trade are vile, all of which are the key features of liberalism as an ideology or movement.

Neo-liberalism in literal terms simply refers to the revival of liberal thought that occurred in the 1970s and 1980s (i.e., "neo" + "liberal") following the economic stagnation brought on by the excesses of the social democracy and regulatory state that emerged in the 1920s and 30s. Whatever you think of the economic liberalizations of that period, it's pretty hard to argue with the record of stagflation, budget crises of the welfare state, slowing or declining growth, and a record of complete failure by socialist/communist economies that occurred in that period.

Thus, neo-liberalism does not mean indiscriminate application of market principles to everything, but it did reflect a recognition that many parts of society or the economy which had been exempted from market forces were failing and could be improved through the introduction of competition and market forces.

The centerpiece of neoliberalism was globalization of the economy and free trade. The term neoliberalism was coined as part of the backlash against trade liberalization and the attempt by certain international institutions to enforce budget constraints and sectoral liberalization policies on developing countries as a condition for receiving loans or aid. This is where some of the abuses or harder hands of the Washington approach to liberalization could be felt; sometimes the cookie-cutter approach to policy that was imposed was inappropriate. But for the most part, that period saw rapid worldwide growth and development. In particular, China and India opened their economies to market forces and grew tremendously as a result.

When I say that the Internet was a product of neoliberal policies I am referring to several largely indisputable facts:

a)      Prior to 'neoliberal' policies the telecom system was the epitome of social democracy: it was run as a state-owned monopoly, market forces were largely absent.

b)      The developmental record of state-owned PTT monopolies was abysmal, there were 1% - 10% penetration rates, 6 months waiting lists for service, massive inefficiency and protectionism. Opponents of neoliberalism need to own up to this.

c)       Competition stimulated rapid improvements in technology and massive decreases in pricing for telecom services

d)      Free trade agreements for IT equipment and "information services" made it possible for TCP/IP based services to spread rapidly across the world regardless of state censorship or regulation

In short, if you care about prosperity, growth, economic development and freedom, and you want to have an intelligent discussion of the role of public policy in the internet economy, all these things need to be taken into account. If you want to call people names, I'm not interested.

--MM

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On 02-Dec-14 07:38, parminder wrote:
Neoliberalism is defined as the application of market principles to everything, including those areas in which such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect case of the application of market principles to governance, as I said , the pristine neoliberal governance model.

You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and imperialism at other times.  I accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.

I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe in the tussle among those with different set of principles.

avri



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From gurstein at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 21:23:11 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 05:23:11 +0300
Subject: [governance] FW: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David
 Weinberger
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-----Original Message-----
From: Netneutrality [mailto:netneutrality-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Seth Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:14 PM
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Subject: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David Weinberger

David Weinberger coins a term and makes a critical point:


Organic Net Neutrality
> https://ting.com/blog/organic-net-neutrality/


There are two types of Net Neutrality. Supporters of it (like me) spend most of their time arguing for Artificial Net Neutrality: a government policy that regulates the few dominant providers of access to the Internet. In fact, we should be spending more of our time reminding people that before Artificial Net Neutrality the Internet came by its neutrality naturally, even organically.

To see the difference, you have to keep in mind, (as my friend Doc Searls frequently reminds me) that Net Neutrality refers not only to a policy but to a fundamental characteristic of the Internet. The Internet is an inter-network: local networks agree to pass data (divided into packets) without discriminating among them, so that no matter what participating network you’re plugged into, you can always get and send information anywhere else on the Net. That’s the magic of the Net: It doesn’t care how you’ve plugged in, where you are, or what sort of information you’re looking for. It will all get to you, no matter where it’s coming from, what it’s about, or what type of application created it.

In fact, it’s because the creators of the Internet didn’t try to anticipate what people would use it for that it has become the greatest engine of creativity and wealth in recorded history. For example, if the Internet had been designed primarily for connecting static pages, it would have become less suitable for phone calls or video. If the current Internet access providers decide that videos are their highest priority traffic, then online games might suffer, and it would be harder to establish the next new idea — maybe it’s holograms or some new high-def audio stream or a web of astronomers working on data shared around the world.

In short, we don’t want the businesses that sell us access to the Internet to have the power to decide what gets priority on the Internet…especially since many of them are also in the content business and thus would be tempted to give preference to their own videos and music streams. Artificial Net Neutrality as a policy is intended to preserve the Internet’s non-discriminatory nature by regulating the access providers.

Even the most fervent supporters of Net Neutrality policies usually favor it only because we now have so few access providers (also known as Internet Service Providers, or ISPs). Before a series of decisions by the U.S. Federal Communications Commision beginning in 2002, and a ruling by the Supreme Court in 2005, there were more than 9,000 ISPs in that country. Now the ones that remain are either serving small, often remote, areas or are one of the tiny handful of absolute giants.

When you talk about Net Neutrality with Seth Johnson, a tireless advocate presently working at the international level to defend the Internet, he explains that before 2005, when there was a vibrant, competitive market for ISPs, the Internet was naturally neutral. Back when the Internet was composed of relatively small local networks, if an ISP wanted to promise its subscribers that it would provide a “fast lane” for movies, or games, or singing telegrams, or whatever, it could only provide that favorable discrimination within its own small network. The many other networks those packets passed through wouldn’t know or care about that one network’s preferences. Zipping packets through the last couple of miles to your house would be like speeding up a jet for the last hundred meters of its flight: it wouldn’t make any noticeable difference.

That was then. We need a Net Neutrality policy now because the giant ISPs’ own networks are so extensive that a packet of data may spend most of its time within a single network. That network can institute discriminatory practices that are noticeable. A Net Neutrality policy prevents them from giving in to this commercial temptation.

Many of us Net Neutrality advocates, including Seth and Doc, would far rather see the Internet’s natural infrastructure restored — a big network composed of many smaller networks — which would in turn restore natural Net Neutrality. We lost that infrastructure through a political process. We could get it back the same way, by once again treating the wires and cables through which Internet packets flow as a public resource, open to thousands of competing ISPs, none of which would be able to effectively discriminate among packets.

It’s a shame that we’ve let the market for ISPs become so non-competitive that we have to resort to government policies to preserve the Net’s natural neutrality. As with peaches and whole grains, an organically neutral Internet would be even better for the entire system.

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From TPHANG at ntu.edu.sg  Mon Dec  8 22:16:13 2014
From: TPHANG at ntu.edu.sg (Ang Peng Hwa (Prof))
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:16:13 +0800
Subject: [governance] FW: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David
 Weinberger
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Message-ID: <D0AC8656.2B848%tphang@ntu.edu.sg>

(Now and then I get an email from the list going outside of my “Smart” mailbox, which I might read weeks later. Not sure why it happens but it makes for interesting digressions.)

Pardon me for stating the blindingly obvious but net neutrality is a complex issue.

1. Many people are surprised when I tell them to speed up the Internet, traffic is “managed” or “shaped”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping
In other words, left to its “organic” self in this Weinberger sense, we will actually have slower Internet speed than if we manage the data.

I listen to Tim Wu, who coined the term, and found that he was very careful about this point. He never says no traffic discrimination at all. Some discrimination (i.e. Traffic shaping) in fact is good for the community.

But once you do that, it’s a small step to throttling other services that are not in your interests.

2. Net neutrality is an intrusion into the rights of the owner of the pipe/system/network. We can intrude into someone’s property rights if the benefits to society at large are greater than the costs of the intrusion. An example is copyright. It is a monopoly right but there are limits to what the owner can do.

3. So between #1 and #2, we have a tricky question of balancing needs, demands and interests. It also indicates that net neutrality is not an absolute. Some non-neutrality is good. Where it crosses to bad, and IMHO only when it does so, should we say that the owner’s right to do what it wants with its pipe ends and society’s interests override.

My 2 cents.


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On 9/12/14 10:23 am, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com<mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:

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Subject: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David Weinberger

David Weinberger coins a term and makes a critical point:


Organic Net Neutrality
https://ting.com/blog/organic-net-neutrality/


There are two types of Net Neutrality. Supporters of it (like me) spend most of their time arguing for Artificial Net Neutrality: a government policy that regulates the few dominant providers of access to the Internet. In fact, we should be spending more of our time reminding people that before Artificial Net Neutrality the Internet came by its neutrality naturally, even organically.

To see the difference, you have to keep in mind, (as my friend Doc Searls frequently reminds me) that Net Neutrality refers not only to a policy but to a fundamental characteristic of the Internet. The Internet is an inter-network: local networks agree to pass data (divided into packets) without discriminating among them, so that no matter what participating network you’re plugged into, you can always get and send information anywhere else on the Net. That’s the magic of the Net: It doesn’t care how you’ve plugged in, where you are, or what sort of information you’re looking for. It will all get to you, no matter where it’s coming from, what it’s about, or what type of application created it.

In fact, it’s because the creators of the Internet didn’t try to anticipate what people would use it for that it has become the greatest engine of creativity and wealth in recorded history. For example, if the Internet had been designed primarily for connecting static pages, it would have become less suitable for phone calls or video. If the current Internet access providers decide that videos are their highest priority traffic, then online games might suffer, and it would be harder to establish the next new idea — maybe it’s holograms or some new high-def audio stream or a web of astronomers working on data shared around the world.

In short, we don’t want the businesses that sell us access to the Internet to have the power to decide what gets priority on the Internet…especially since many of them are also in the content business and thus would be tempted to give preference to their own videos and music streams. Artificial Net Neutrality as a policy is intended to preserve the Internet’s non-discriminatory nature by regulating the access providers.

Even the most fervent supporters of Net Neutrality policies usually favor it only because we now have so few access providers (also known as Internet Service Providers, or ISPs). Before a series of decisions by the U.S. Federal Communications Commision beginning in 2002, and a ruling by the Supreme Court in 2005, there were more than 9,000 ISPs in that country. Now the ones that remain are either serving small, often remote, areas or are one of the tiny handful of absolute giants.

When you talk about Net Neutrality with Seth Johnson, a tireless advocate presently working at the international level to defend the Internet, he explains that before 2005, when there was a vibrant, competitive market for ISPs, the Internet was naturally neutral. Back when the Internet was composed of relatively small local networks, if an ISP wanted to promise its subscribers that it would provide a “fast lane” for movies, or games, or singing telegrams, or whatever, it could only provide that favorable discrimination within its own small network. The many other networks those packets passed through wouldn’t know or care about that one network’s preferences. Zipping packets through the last couple of miles to your house would be like speeding up a jet for the last hundred meters of its flight: it wouldn’t make any noticeable difference.

That was then. We need a Net Neutrality policy now because the giant ISPs’ own networks are so extensive that a packet of data may spend most of its time within a single network. That network can institute discriminatory practices that are noticeable. A Net Neutrality policy prevents them from giving in to this commercial temptation.

Many of us Net Neutrality advocates, including Seth and Doc, would far rather see the Internet’s natural infrastructure restored — a big network composed of many smaller networks — which would in turn restore natural Net Neutrality. We lost that infrastructure through a political process. We could get it back the same way, by once again treating the wires and cables through which Internet packets flow as a public resource, open to thousands of competing ISPs, none of which would be able to effectively discriminate among packets.

It’s a shame that we’ve let the market for ISPs become so non-competitive that we have to resort to government policies to preserve the Net’s natural neutrality. As with peaches and whole grains, an organically neutral Internet would be even better for the entire system.

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From bzs at world.std.com  Mon Dec  8 23:22:28 2014
From: bzs at world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:22:28 -0500
Subject: [governance] FW: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David
 Weinberger
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Yes, I'd say David Weinberger is making the same distinction I am.

I'd treat the current situation as an anti-trust problem rather than a
matter for FCC regulation though he's not specific on this point.

FCC / Title II regulation would enshrine the cause of the current
problem -- vertical trusts -- and just try to make it more
"fair".

That approach could also be a nightmare to police and would beg
frivolous complaints conflating for example technical problems (e.g.,
non-reachability) with regulatory violations.

A break-up of the vertical trusts, separating wire-plant from content
provision, would no doubt be more painful for a brief period but would
help undo the underlying distortion arising from wire-plant / last
mile monopolies and resultant cross-subsidization.

        -Barry Shein

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From: "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Netneutrality [mailto:netneutrality-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behal=
>f Of Seth Johnson
>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:14 PM
>To: netneutrality at intgovforum.org; nncoalition at mailman.edri.org; bestbits
>Subject: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David Weinberger
>
>David Weinberger coins a term and makes a critical point:
>
>
>Organic Net Neutrality
>> https://ting.com/blog/organic-net-neutrality/
>
>
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>
>To see the difference, you have to keep in mind, (as my friend Doc Searls f=
>requently reminds me) that Net Neutrality refers not only to a policy but t=
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> stream or a web of astronomers working on data shared around the world.
>
>In short, we don=E2=80=99t want the businesses that sell us access to the I=
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>=80=A6especially since many of them are also in the content business and th=
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>
>Even the most fervent supporters of Net Neutrality policies usually favor i=
>t only because we now have so few access providers (also known as Internet =
>Service Providers, or ISPs). Before a series of decisions by the U.S. Feder=
>al Communications Commision beginning in 2002, and a ruling by the Supreme =
>Court in 2005, there were more than 9,000 ISPs in that country. Now the one=
>s that remain are either serving small, often remote, areas or are one of t=
>he tiny handful of absolute giants.
>
>When you talk about Net Neutrality with Seth Johnson, a tireless advocate p=
>resently working at the international level to defend the Internet, he expl=
>ains that before 2005, when there was a vibrant, competitive market for ISP=
>s, the Internet was naturally neutral. Back when the Internet was composed =
>of relatively small local networks, if an ISP wanted to promise its subscri=
>bers that it would provide a =E2=80=9Cfast lane=E2=80=9D for movies, or gam=
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>
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From seth.p.johnson at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 23:37:09 2014
From: seth.p.johnson at gmail.com (Seth Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:37:09 -0500
Subject: [governance] FW: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David
 Weinberger
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On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) <TPHANG at ntu.edu.sg>
wrote:

>
> 1. Many people are surprised when I tell them to speed up the Internet,
> traffic is “managed” or “shaped”.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping
> In other words, left to its “organic” self in this Weinberger sense, we
> will actually have slower Internet speed than if we manage the data.
>


Traffic is often shaped, but only where it's possible.  That is, when you
control policy across routers.  Or you *contract* specialized treatment
with other intermediaries or end networks.

The open network supports flexibility and interoperability.  Specialized
treatment impedes that.  It's a general purpose platform across autonomous
networks.

You can see some discussion of various practices that affect the
flexibility of the network in:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1958.txt
<http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4924.txt>
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2775.txt
<http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4924.txt>
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3724.txt
<http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4924.txt>
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4084.txt
<http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4924.txt>
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4924.txt

The last one is a sort of synthesis.



> I listen to Tim Wu, who coined the term, and found that he was very
> careful about this point. He never says no traffic discrimination at all.
> Some discrimination (i.e. Traffic shaping) in fact is good for the
> community.
>


Yes, Tim Wu started on his theme, with Lessig and Mark Lemley, when our
regulators eliminated competition at the physical layer.  He is attentive
to the fact that the network of networks is not optimized for particular
apps, and constructs his case in light of that.  However, you don't design
the network of networks to serve particular applications.  That's,
analogically speaking, the difference between a graphics card and a general
purpose computer.

The important thing is to draw the distinction properly.  What you do after
that (and after you distinguish properly) might be a number of things.  I
would stress to you that the important thing is that at bare minimum you
can track the effect of specialized services on the open platform if you
recognize the difference properly.

This goes into that:

Comments on Distinguishing Open Internet from Specialized Services
http://internetdistinction.com/statement/



> But once you do that, it’s a small step to throttling other services that
> are not in your interests.
>


Yes.  You can address that based on a proper understanding of the network
of networks and of NN in both senses, both the original form and the forms
you take when you've let the physical layer become privatized.



> 2. Net neutrality is an intrusion into the rights of the owner of the
> pipe/system/network. We can intrude into someone’s property rights if the
> benefits to society at large are greater than the costs of the intrusion.
> An example is copyright. It is a monopoly right but there are limits to
> what the owner can do.
>


Public franchises, right of way and tort law for common carriers are not
that simple.  They don't come down to "who owns what [land[."  First of
all, right of way is not ownership of real property or land; it's a set of
rights secured by the state as an easement across other people's property.
The rights of an incumbent are of that nature.  Yes, in many cases, the
pipe they lay is allowed to be their private property -- as an analog, when
railroads lose their right of way, they will often go in and remove the
ties and rails as their property.  However, their rights in the "way" are
granted and secured by the state, hence public.  They are private in the
sense that a private party holds them (sometimes it's "public right of
way," which simply means the special rights are held by the general
public), but they are not attributes of ordinary private property.

You're always going to have right of way in populated areas, because the
alternative notion of competition would be one where everybody digs their
own trenches.  Long haul transit can generally be treated more close to
"fully private," since indeed each party generally does string their own
wires.


Seth


3. So between #1 and #2, we have a tricky question of balancing needs,
> demands and interests. It also indicates that net neutrality is not an
> absolute. Some non-neutrality is good. Where it crosses to bad, and IMHO
> only when it does so, should we say that the owner’s right to do what it
> wants with its pipe ends and society’s interests override.
>
>  My 2 cents.
>
>   Regards,
>
> Peng Hwa ANG
>
> *Peng Hwa ANG (Professor)* | Wee Kim Wee School of Communication and
> Information | Nanyang Technological University *|* WKWSCI 02-17, 31
> Nanyang Link, Singapore 639798  | Tel: (65) 67906109 GMT+8h | Fax: (65)
> 6792-7526 | Web: http://www.sirc.ntu.edu.sg/Home at SiRC/Pages/Team.aspx
>
>
>  President Elect-Select 2014 ICA
>
> [image: confbanner] <http://www.icahdq.org/conf/index.asp>
>
>
>
>
>  On 9/12/14 10:23 am, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Netneutrality [mailto:netneutrality-bounces at intgovforum.org
> <netneutrality-bounces at intgovforum.org>] On Behalf Of Seth Johnson
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:14 PM
> To: netneutrality at intgovforum.org; nncoalition at mailman.edri.org; bestbits
> Subject: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David Weinberger
>
>  David Weinberger coins a term and makes a critical point:
>
>
>  Organic Net Neutrality
>
> https://ting.com/blog/organic-net-neutrality/
>
>
>
>  There are two types of Net Neutrality. Supporters of it (like me) spend
> most of their time arguing for Artificial Net Neutrality: a government
> policy that regulates the few dominant providers of access to the Internet.
> In fact, we should be spending more of our time reminding people that
> before Artificial Net Neutrality the Internet came by its neutrality
> naturally, even organically.
>
>  To see the difference, you have to keep in mind, (as my friend Doc
> Searls frequently reminds me) that Net Neutrality refers not only to a
> policy but to a fundamental characteristic of the Internet. The Internet is
> an inter-network: local networks agree to pass data (divided into packets)
> without discriminating among them, so that no matter what participating
> network you’re plugged into, you can always get and send information
> anywhere else on the Net. That’s the magic of the Net: It doesn’t care how
> you’ve plugged in, where you are, or what sort of information you’re
> looking for. It will all get to you, no matter where it’s coming from, what
> it’s about, or what type of application created it.
>
>  In fact, it’s because the creators of the Internet didn’t try to
> anticipate what people would use it for that it has become the greatest
> engine of creativity and wealth in recorded history. For example, if the
> Internet had been designed primarily for connecting static pages, it would
> have become less suitable for phone calls or video. If the current Internet
> access providers decide that videos are their highest priority traffic,
> then online games might suffer, and it would be harder to establish the
> next new idea — maybe it’s holograms or some new high-def audio stream or a
> web of astronomers working on data shared around the world.
>
>  In short, we don’t want the businesses that sell us access to the
> Internet to have the power to decide what gets priority on the
> Internet…especially since many of them are also in the content business and
> thus would be tempted to give preference to their own videos and music
> streams. Artificial Net Neutrality as a policy is intended to preserve the
> Internet’s non-discriminatory nature by regulating the access providers.
>
>  Even the most fervent supporters of Net Neutrality policies usually
> favor it only because we now have so few access providers (also known as
> Internet Service Providers, or ISPs). Before a series of decisions by the
> U.S. Federal Communications Commision beginning in 2002, and a ruling by
> the Supreme Court in 2005, there were more than 9,000 ISPs in that country.
> Now the ones that remain are either serving small, often remote, areas or
> are one of the tiny handful of absolute giants.
>
>  When you talk about Net Neutrality with Seth Johnson, a tireless
> advocate presently working at the international level to defend the
> Internet, he explains that before 2005, when there was a vibrant,
> competitive market for ISPs, the Internet was naturally neutral. Back when
> the Internet was composed of relatively small local networks, if an ISP
> wanted to promise its subscribers that it would provide a “fast lane” for
> movies, or games, or singing telegrams, or whatever, it could only provide
> that favorable discrimination within its own small network. The many other
> networks those packets passed through wouldn’t know or care about that one
> network’s preferences. Zipping packets through the last couple of miles to
> your house would be like speeding up a jet for the last hundred meters of
> its flight: it wouldn’t make any noticeable difference.
>
>  That was then. We need a Net Neutrality policy now because the giant
> ISPs’ own networks are so extensive that a packet of data may spend most of
> its time within a single network. That network can institute discriminatory
> practices that are noticeable. A Net Neutrality policy prevents them from
> giving in to this commercial temptation.
>
>  Many of us Net Neutrality advocates, including Seth and Doc, would far
> rather see the Internet’s natural infrastructure restored — a big network
> composed of many smaller networks — which would in turn restore natural Net
> Neutrality. We lost that infrastructure through a political process. We
> could get it back the same way, by once again treating the wires and cables
> through which Internet packets flow as a public resource, open to thousands
> of competing ISPs, none of which would be able to effectively discriminate
> among packets.
>
>  It’s a shame that we’ve let the market for ISPs become so
> non-competitive that we have to resort to government policies to preserve
> the Net’s natural neutrality. As with peaches and whole grains, an
> organically neutral Internet would be even better for the entire system.
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Netneutrality mailing list
> Netneutrality at intgovforum.org
> http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/netneutrality_intgovforum.org
>
>
>
>
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From seth.p.johnson at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 00:38:53 2014
From: seth.p.johnson at gmail.com (Seth Johnson)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 00:38:53 -0500
Subject: [governance] FW: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David
 Weinberger
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(Correcting the list of URLs below)


On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) <TPHANG at ntu.edu.sg>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. Many people are surprised when I tell them to speed up the Internet,
>> traffic is “managed” or “shaped”.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping
>> In other words, left to its “organic” self in this Weinberger sense, we
>> will actually have slower Internet speed than if we manage the data.
>>
>
>
> Traffic is often shaped, but only where it's possible.  That is, when you
> control policy across routers.  Or you *contract* specialized treatment
> with other intermediaries or end networks.
>
> The open network supports flexibility and interoperability.  Specialized
> treatment impedes that.  It's a general purpose platform across autonomous
> networks.
>
> You can see some discussion of various practices that affect the
> flexibility of the network in:
>
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1958.txt
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2775.txt
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3724.txt
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4084.txt
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4924.txt
>


(fixed the above URLs)



> The last one is a sort of synthesis.
>
>
>
>> I listen to Tim Wu, who coined the term, and found that he was very
>> careful about this point. He never says no traffic discrimination at all.
>> Some discrimination (i.e. Traffic shaping) in fact is good for the
>> community.
>>
>
>
> Yes, Tim Wu started on his theme, with Lessig and Mark Lemley, when our
> regulators eliminated competition at the physical layer.  He is attentive
> to the fact that the network of networks is not optimized for particular
> apps, and constructs his case in light of that.  However, you don't design
> the network of networks to serve particular applications.  That's,
> analogically speaking, the difference between a graphics card and a general
> purpose computer.
>
> The important thing is to draw the distinction properly.  What you do
> after that (and after you distinguish properly) might be a number of
> things.  I would stress to you that the important thing is that at bare
> minimum you can track the effect of specialized services on the open
> platform if you recognize the difference properly.
>
> This goes into that:
>
> Comments on Distinguishing Open Internet from Specialized Services
> http://internetdistinction.com/statement/
>
>
>
>> But once you do that, it’s a small step to throttling other services that
>> are not in your interests.
>>
>
>
> Yes.  You can address that based on a proper understanding of the network
> of networks and of NN in both senses, both the original form and the forms
> you take when you've let the physical layer become privatized.
>
>
>
>> 2. Net neutrality is an intrusion into the rights of the owner of the
>> pipe/system/network. We can intrude into someone’s property rights if the
>> benefits to society at large are greater than the costs of the intrusion.
>> An example is copyright. It is a monopoly right but there are limits to
>> what the owner can do.
>>
>
>
> Public franchises, right of way and tort law for common carriers are not
> that simple.  They don't come down to "who owns what [land[."  First of
> all, right of way is not ownership of real property or land; it's a set of
> rights secured by the state as an easement across other people's property.
> The rights of an incumbent are of that nature.  Yes, in many cases, the
> pipe they lay is allowed to be their private property -- as an analog, when
> railroads lose their right of way, they will often go in and remove the
> ties and rails as their property.  However, their rights in the "way" are
> granted and secured by the state, hence public.  They are private in the
> sense that a private party holds them (sometimes it's "public right of
> way," which simply means the special rights are held by the general
> public), but they are not attributes of ordinary private property.
>
> You're always going to have right of way in populated areas, because the
> alternative notion of competition would be one where everybody digs their
> own trenches.  Long haul transit can generally be treated more close to
> "fully private," since indeed each party generally does string their own
> wires.
>
>
> Seth
>
>
> 3. So between #1 and #2, we have a tricky question of balancing needs,
>> demands and interests. It also indicates that net neutrality is not an
>> absolute. Some non-neutrality is good. Where it crosses to bad, and IMHO
>> only when it does so, should we say that the owner’s right to do what it
>> wants with its pipe ends and society’s interests override.
>>
>>  My 2 cents.
>>
>>   Regards,
>>
>> Peng Hwa ANG
>>
>> *Peng Hwa ANG (Professor)* | Wee Kim Wee School of Communication and
>> Information | Nanyang Technological University *|* WKWSCI 02-17, 31
>> Nanyang Link, Singapore 639798  | Tel: (65) 67906109 GMT+8h | Fax: (65)
>> 6792-7526 | Web: http://www.sirc.ntu.edu.sg/Home at SiRC/Pages/Team.aspx
>>
>>
>>  President Elect-Select 2014 ICA
>>
>> [image: confbanner] <http://www.icahdq.org/conf/index.asp>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 9/12/14 10:23 am, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Netneutrality [mailto:netneutrality-bounces at intgovforum.org
>> <netneutrality-bounces at intgovforum.org>] On Behalf Of Seth Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:14 PM
>> To: netneutrality at intgovforum.org; nncoalition at mailman.edri.org; bestbits
>> Subject: [Netneutrality] Organic Net Neutrality: David Weinberger
>>
>>  David Weinberger coins a term and makes a critical point:
>>
>>
>>  Organic Net Neutrality
>>
>> https://ting.com/blog/organic-net-neutrality/
>>
>>
>>
>>  There are two types of Net Neutrality. Supporters of it (like me) spend
>> most of their time arguing for Artificial Net Neutrality: a government
>> policy that regulates the few dominant providers of access to the Internet.
>> In fact, we should be spending more of our time reminding people that
>> before Artificial Net Neutrality the Internet came by its neutrality
>> naturally, even organically.
>>
>>  To see the difference, you have to keep in mind, (as my friend Doc
>> Searls frequently reminds me) that Net Neutrality refers not only to a
>> policy but to a fundamental characteristic of the Internet. The Internet is
>> an inter-network: local networks agree to pass data (divided into packets)
>> without discriminating among them, so that no matter what participating
>> network you’re plugged into, you can always get and send information
>> anywhere else on the Net. That’s the magic of the Net: It doesn’t care how
>> you’ve plugged in, where you are, or what sort of information you’re
>> looking for. It will all get to you, no matter where it’s coming from, what
>> it’s about, or what type of application created it.
>>
>>  In fact, it’s because the creators of the Internet didn’t try to
>> anticipate what people would use it for that it has become the greatest
>> engine of creativity and wealth in recorded history. For example, if the
>> Internet had been designed primarily for connecting static pages, it would
>> have become less suitable for phone calls or video. If the current Internet
>> access providers decide that videos are their highest priority traffic,
>> then online games might suffer, and it would be harder to establish the
>> next new idea — maybe it’s holograms or some new high-def audio stream or a
>> web of astronomers working on data shared around the world.
>>
>>  In short, we don’t want the businesses that sell us access to the
>> Internet to have the power to decide what gets priority on the
>> Internet…especially since many of them are also in the content business and
>> thus would be tempted to give preference to their own videos and music
>> streams. Artificial Net Neutrality as a policy is intended to preserve the
>> Internet’s non-discriminatory nature by regulating the access providers.
>>
>>  Even the most fervent supporters of Net Neutrality policies usually
>> favor it only because we now have so few access providers (also known as
>> Internet Service Providers, or ISPs). Before a series of decisions by the
>> U.S. Federal Communications Commision beginning in 2002, and a ruling by
>> the Supreme Court in 2005, there were more than 9,000 ISPs in that country.
>> Now the ones that remain are either serving small, often remote, areas or
>> are one of the tiny handful of absolute giants.
>>
>>  When you talk about Net Neutrality with Seth Johnson, a tireless
>> advocate presently working at the international level to defend the
>> Internet, he explains that before 2005, when there was a vibrant,
>> competitive market for ISPs, the Internet was naturally neutral. Back when
>> the Internet was composed of relatively small local networks, if an ISP
>> wanted to promise its subscribers that it would provide a “fast lane” for
>> movies, or games, or singing telegrams, or whatever, it could only provide
>> that favorable discrimination within its own small network. The many other
>> networks those packets passed through wouldn’t know or care about that one
>> network’s preferences. Zipping packets through the last couple of miles to
>> your house would be like speeding up a jet for the last hundred meters of
>> its flight: it wouldn’t make any noticeable difference.
>>
>>  That was then. We need a Net Neutrality policy now because the giant
>> ISPs’ own networks are so extensive that a packet of data may spend most of
>> its time within a single network. That network can institute discriminatory
>> practices that are noticeable. A Net Neutrality policy prevents them from
>> giving in to this commercial temptation.
>>
>>  Many of us Net Neutrality advocates, including Seth and Doc, would far
>> rather see the Internet’s natural infrastructure restored — a big network
>> composed of many smaller networks — which would in turn restore natural Net
>> Neutrality. We lost that infrastructure through a political process. We
>> could get it back the same way, by once again treating the wires and cables
>> through which Internet packets flow as a public resource, open to thousands
>> of competing ISPs, none of which would be able to effectively discriminate
>> among packets.
>>
>>  It’s a shame that we’ve let the market for ISPs become so
>> non-competitive that we have to resort to government policies to preserve
>> the Net’s natural neutrality. As with peaches and whole grains, an
>> organically neutral Internet would be even better for the entire system.
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> Netneutrality mailing list
>> Netneutrality at intgovforum.org
>> http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/netneutrality_intgovforum.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ekenyanito at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 15:21:11 2014
From: ekenyanito at gmail.com (Ephraim Percy Kenyanito)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 23:21:11 +0300
Subject: [governance] Balance between privacy and security- Kenyan new
 security Bill
Message-ID: <CAHwnKeGoPrj9X9CMoy-6rezoL09wQYhtUYP6Ufr-XC4iVVorsw@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for cross posting,

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/12/investigative-journalists-on-the-spot-in-new-security-bill/

"The Bill also proposes to allow the National Security Organs to intercept
communication for the purpose of detecting, deterring and disrupting
terrorism and related activities."

"Owing to the fact that the National Assembly will be going on recess on
Thursday coupled with the urgent need to contain the security situation in
the country, the House has in the meantime approved that debate on this
Bill be fast tracked, with publication period shortened from 14 days to
just a day.

Public debate on these proposals is due Wednesday.
​"​




--

Best Regards,
​​
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From jfcallo at ciencitec.com  Tue Dec  9 15:40:40 2014
From: jfcallo at ciencitec.com (jfcallo at ciencitec.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:40:40 +0000
Subject: [governance] Clarification ISOC-PERU
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Don José Felix
Es el caso de ISOC-PERÚ, a pesar de haber escrito varias veces sobre  
el no funcionamiento de este Capitulo y como ha sido desaparecido,  
nadie hace caso.
¿Hasta cuando Ted Mooney va a investigar lo que pasa en ISOC-PERU?.
Basta de discriminaciones, por parte de los que se han enquistado en  
este Capitulo.
Atentamente
José F. Callo Romero
Fundador de ISOC-PERU.



José Félix Arias Ynche <jaryn56 at gmail.com> escribió:

> Tienes razón Carolina...ya me sentía un extraño en la comunidad, aveces me
> parece como si se quisiera que la comunidad desaparezca...
>
>
>
> *Cordialmente:         José Félix Arias Ynche*
> *                        Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*
>
> 2014-12-03 17:00 GMT-05:00 Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>:
>
>> A mid-term solution could be a wiki or pad with a list of topics and
>> editable. So organizations can list the publications they wish and feel
>> represent a good statement regarding a topic.
>>
>> I feel that if we funnel it through a small number of authors , it will go
>> no where.
>> On Nov 29, 2014 1:29 PM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Wolfgang:
>>> This is a charmingly Kleinwachterian approach to things, but forgive me
>>> if I dissent.
>>>
>>> I think each of the different viewpoints of civil society can be, and
>>> already are, represented by CS organizations' own publications. The idea
>>> that "Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo,
>>> APC) could nominate four authors" to represent all of the spectrum of civil
>>> society just doesn't work. IGC is a mailing list containing a vast
>>> diversity of ideologies, who the heck would they nominate? At the other end
>>> of the spectrum, JNC is a single-ideology group, and to a lesser extent so
>>> is our IGP (Internet Governance Project). APC is already part of NCSG, BB,
>>> and IGC, do they get triple representation? Furthermore, as Andrea Glorioso
>>> correctly stated, the plethora of written materials churning out of this
>>> environment is already overwhelming, the last thing we need is more.
>>>
>>> If you want to do this right, then have an ideologically broad and
>>> diverse group select some of the best _existing_ publications, or excerpts
>>> from publications, that can summarize and explain the spectrum of
>>> viewpoints in civil society on IG issues. The selection of issues would
>>> also be important: some of us concentrate on very direct and more focused
>>> aspects of IG (e.g., names and numbers, routing, interconnection,
>>> standards) while others focus on much broader issues that go beyond IG
>>> alone (e.g., freedom of expression, access, economic policy) The point here
>>> would be to reveal and document the full ideological or policy diversity
>>> among us.
>>>
>>> However, even if you adopt that more reasonable approach, the danger of
>>> representing some views as hegemonic or accepted by all when they are not
>>> remains. We all get a bit irritated I think when Parminder tells us that
>>> our views are not really civil society views, and I can easily see this
>>> project leading to those kinds of debates. And I am not sure I see the
>>> point of clamoring to get represented in such a publication when we could
>>> be pushing our views directly into ongoing policy debates that actually
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> --MM
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > I propose that we start to work on what I call a "Civil Society Internet
>>> > Governance Handbook".  This handbook would allow all CS groups within
>>> the
>>> > CSCG to present their own individual points of views so that everybody
>>> > knows what the positions are. The book could be structured into four
>>> main
>>> > chapters:
>>> >
>>> > 1.    Human Rights (Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy etc.)
>>> > 2.    Security (Cyberwar, Cyberterrorism, Cybercrime etc.)
>>> > 3.    Economic Development (Market domination, competition,
>>> > infrastructure development etc.)
>>> > 4.    Technical Coordination (Names, Numbers, Protocols etc.)
>>> >
>>> > Each of the six groups under the CSCG (IGC, BB, JNC, NCSG, Diplo, APC)
>>> could
>>> > nominate four authors (one for each chapter). Each author would be free
>>> to
>>> > argue for her/his position (five to maximum teen pages). There is no
>>> need
>>> > for consensus. Every author would be free to present her/his radical,
>>> > moderate, liberal and whatsoever position on one of the four main
>>> issues.
>>> >
>>> > Such a compendium would help to bring more transparency into the process
>>> > and would enable a more fact based discussion in the IG events ahead of
>>> us.
>>> >
>>> > We could deliver this as an e-book (probably with an Annex with main
>>> official
>>> > texts as Tunis Agenda, Sao Paulo Principles, UN Resolutions etc.) until
>>> the
>>> > May 2015 Sessions in Geneva. In total this book would be around 250
>>> pages.
>>> > If we find a sponsor we could publish this for the New York event in
>>> > December 2015. Such a book would seen by the rest of the IG Community as
>>> > a helpful contribution, it would strengthen the role of CS in the
>>> emerging IG
>>> > multistakeholder mechanisms and would be also an input into the WSIS 10+
>>> > process.
>>> >
>>> > The chair of the CSCG (together with the co-chairs from the six groups)
>>> would
>>> > be the editor.
>>> >
>>> > Any comment?
>>> >
>>> > Wolfgang
>>> >
>>>
>>>


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From manasa at itforchange.net  Wed Dec 10 06:09:23 2014
From: manasa at itforchange.net (Manasa Priya Vasudevan)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:39:23 +0530
Subject: [governance] Full Report and Synthesis of the IDRC- IT for Change
 Round Table on 'Inclusion in the Network Society-mapping development
 alternatives, forging research agendas'
In-Reply-To: <5486EC0D.4000408@itforchange.net>
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Dear All,

Greetings from IT for Change!

Apologies for cross posting, but we are pleased to share with you the 
full report 
<http://itforchange.net/sites/default/files/Round%20Table%20on%20Inclusion%20in%20the%20Network%20Society-Full%20Report.pdf> 
and synthesis 
<http://itforchange.net/sites/default/files/Round%20Table%20on%20Inclusion%20in%20the%20Network%20Society-Synthesis%20of%20key%20threads.pdf> 
of presentations 
<http://itforchange.net/Roundtable%20on%20%27Inclusion%20in%20the%20network%20society%27> 
and discussions from the Round Table on '/Inclusion in the Network 
Society-mapping development alternatives, forging research agendas', 
/held from 29th September to 1st October 2014 in Bengaluru, India.

The Round Table was jointly organised by International Development 
Research Centre, Canada and IT for Change, Bengaluru, India. It brought 
together 28 research scholars, development practitioners and thinkers, 
interested in the theoretical and policy aspects of equity, inclusion 
and participation in the 'ICTs and development' domain, for three days 
of intense debate and dialogue.

Please visit our website, www.ITforChange.net <http://itforchange.net/>, 
for more information and key outputs from the Round Table.

Warm regards,

-- 
Manasa Priya Vasudevan
Research Assistant
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Dec 10 08:00:23 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:30:23 +0530
Subject: [governance] UN Secretary General's report on the SDG process
Message-ID: <548843E7.6010806@itforchange.net>

The UN Secretary General has issued an important report on the SDGs 
process titled "/The Road to Dignity for All: Ending Poverty, 
Transforming 
<http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/5527SR_advance%20unedited_final.pdf>All 
<http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/5527SR_advance%20unedited_final.pdf>Lives 
and Protecting the Planet 
<http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/5527SR_advance%20unedited_final.pdf>/" 
. It is now open for responses 
<http://ngosbeyond2014.org/articles/2014/12/6/call-for-civil-society-responses-to-the-un-secretary-general.html>. 


/IT for Change submitted these comments 
<http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_synthesis_report_of_the_UN_Secretary-General_on_the_Post-2015_Development_Agenda#comments>/, 
specifically on ICTs and data issues. Here, we highlight the need to 
especially recognise ICTs as a general purpose technology which is 
transforming our societies today and the need to ensure their universal 
availability as well as an open and equitable technical architecture of 
all ICTs, including the Internet. We also comment on some of the 
initiatives proposed by the Secretary General on data for sustainable 
development, and suggest some additional measures that will turn the 
face of the digital revolution towards serving the public good from the 
currently dominant trend of proprietisation of public data resources and 
use of data for mass surveillance and social control .

In this context, please do read the very significant report of an SG's 
advisory expert group on employing the data revolution for sustainable 
development, "/A World that Counts: Mobilizing the Data Revolution for 
Sustainable Development / 
<http://www.undatarevolution.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/A-World-That-Counts.pdf>" 
.

I consider this report to be of outstanding significance. First time a 
global report deals with big data as a public resource, an issue 
entirely missed in the IG related civil society discussions and reports 
on data issues. All these discussions and reports have just seen big 
data from a privacy angle. However, the role of data as a resource, and 
its (mostly, mis-) appropriations as a private resource while the basic 
nature of much of it could actually be determined as 'public', is as 
important an issue. This report for the first time, at least at this 
level, frames the issue of big data as a public resource. It also calls 
for "building of a global consensus, applicable principles and standards 
for data".

parminder
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Dec 10 08:07:56 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:37:56 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: UN Secretary General's report on the SDG process
In-Reply-To: <548843E7.6010806@itforchange.net>
References: <548843E7.6010806@itforchange.net>
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On Wednesday 10 December 2014 06:30 PM, parminder wrote:
>
> The UN Secretary General has issued an important report on the SDGs 
> process titled "/The Road to Dignity for All: Ending Poverty, 
> Transforming 
> <http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/5527SR_advance%20unedited_final.pdf>All 
> <http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/5527SR_advance%20unedited_final.pdf>Lives 
> and Protecting the Planet 
> <http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/5527SR_advance%20unedited_final.pdf>/" 
> . It is now open for responses 
> <http://ngosbeyond2014.org/articles/2014/12/6/call-for-civil-society-responses-to-the-un-secretary-general.html>. 
>
>
> /IT for Change submitted these comments 
> <http://www.itforchange.net/Response_to_the_synthesis_report_of_the_UN_Secretary-General_on_the_Post-2015_Development_Agenda#comments>/, 
> specifically on ICTs and data issues. Here, we highlight the need to 
> especially recognise ICTs as a general purpose technology which is 
> transforming our societies today and the need to ensure their 
> universal availability as well as an open and equitable technical 
> architecture of all ICTs, including the Internet. We also comment on 
> some of the initiatives proposed by the Secretary General on data for 
> sustainable development, and suggest some additional measures that 
> will turn the face of the digital revolution towards serving the 
> public good from the currently dominant trend of proprietisation of 
> public data resources and use of data for mass surveillance and social 
> control .
>
> In this context, please do read the very significant report of an SG's 
> advisory expert group on employing the data revolution for sustainable 
> development, "/A World that Counts: Mobilizing the Data Revolution for 
> Sustainable Development / 
> <http://www.undatarevolution.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/A-World-That-Counts.pdf>" 
> .
>
> I consider this report to be of outstanding significance. First time a 
> global report deals with big data as a public resource, an issue 
> entirely missed in the IG related civil society discussions and 
> reports on data issues. All these discussions and reports have just 
> seen big data from a privacy angle. However, the role of data as a 
> resource, and its (mostly, mis-) appropriations as a private resource 
> while the basic nature of much of it could actually be determined as 
> 'public', is as important an issue. This report for the first time, at 
> least at this level, frames the issue of big data as a public 
> resource. It also calls for "building of a global consensus, 
> applicable principles and standards for data".
>

TO ADD

The above puts into focus how global IG discussions and formulations 
have mostly taken place from a civil and political rights  - also called 
negative rights - stand point, and not from the perspective of equally 
important economic, social and cultural rights. The reason for this is 
simple - almost all active global forums on IG are funded and supported 
by the North, and it is within this geopolitical constraints that IG 
discussions and norms development takes place. If there were a UN based 
space for these articulations, things would begun to take a different 
turn, more of an equity and social justice kind of considerations as 
well. But as we know, any progress on developing UN based venues for 
such normative activity are actively blocked, basically out of 
geopolitical and geoeconomic considerations. Why civil society joins in 
these blockades however is not clear.

So, to give a clear instance for better illustration, while the OECD's 
Internet related body ( CCICP ) discusses economics of private and big 
data, in an inter-governmental way, with consultations and inputs from 
other stakeholder, proposals for such discussions at the UN level in 
exactly the same format is described as an attempt to takeover the Internet.

Economics of big data is one of the biggest geo-economic issues of 
current times, as intellectual property was (and continues to be) of the 
last few decades. (Sadly, this issue  has not been understood in its 
importance by the developing countries.) The reason for keeping 
developing countries away from the processes of formulation of initial 
norms, principles and policies of this all important issue are obvious, 
as far as the interests of developed country governments go. But why 
civil society? That always remains the question.


parminder




> parminder

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From iza at anr.org  Wed Dec 10 12:02:27 2014
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 02:02:27 +0900
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] GA 2nd Committee / ICT4D
 negotiations update
In-Reply-To: <OF3857B192.DB11212A-ON85257DA8.00734FAB-85257DA9.005D0685@un.org>
References: <1CE9542B07571149A7CD4AB01871A95F36114ADB@S-DC-ESTF02-J.net1.cec.eu.int>
 <24A0C875-5A52-460F-ADCA-0EDD47AEBD36@bluewin.ch> <1CE9542B07571149A7CD4AB01871A95F361157EB@S-DC-ESTF02-J.net1.cec.eu.int>
 <CALkm_1KbusiX5Bd9Z=qhR-JXXUCQ9RYrhC22G9Yf5fcQdpwmjg@mail.gmail.com>
 <4D3EA8F3-BA10-45AB-A1DC-2D9E2022CB73@bluewin.ch> <OF3857B192.DB11212A-ON85257DA8.00734FAB-85257DA9.005D0685@un.org>
Message-ID: <CA+YNoKhKQALTdZgZbAzhtcziPM_2r1LQg06hBttg2uu-qLSqAw@mail.gmail.com>

Some of you may already know but still want to share this here.

izumi


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From: Vyacheslav Cherkasov <cherkasov at un.org>
Date: 2014-12-10 1:56 GMT+09:00
Subject: Re: [IGFmaglist] GA 2nd Committee / ICT4D negotiations update
To: igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org, Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org


Dear All,
I would like to inform and share with you that the representatives of the
Member- States have concluded informal discussions of the draft UN
resolution  A/C.2/69/L.11 on Information and communications technologies
for development.

It was an extremely challenging discussion process with many formal and
informal consultations on ICT4D including a possible extension of the IGF
mandate.  The draft has more references on the significant role of IGF than
in the 2013 Resolution and acknowledges the importance of the IGF and its
mandate  as a forum for multi-stakeholder dialogue on various matters,
including public policy issues related to key elements of Internet
governance and its role in building partnerships among different
stakeholders, including through national and regional initiatives.

The Resolution welcomes the offer of Mexico to host the next meeting of the
IGF 2016, and recommends that the extension of the mandate of the IGF be
considered in the context of the overall review in 2015.

The resolution also recalls the GA resolution 68/302 on the “Modalities for
the overall review by the General Assembly of the implementation of the
outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society” and welcoming the
High Level Meeting of the UNGA in December 2015.

Please find below  the para 17 of the draft resolution relating the IGF
mandate for your info. Once the resolution is adopted, we will share it
with you. best, slava

17. Welcomes with appreciation the offer made by Mexico to host the next
meeting of the Internet Governance Forum in 2016, and recommends that the
extension of the mandate of the IGF be considered in the context of the
overall review in 2015 [adopted ad ref],

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From soekpe at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 15:27:43 2014
From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:27:43 +0100
Subject: [governance] The rise of Swedish Cyborgs
Message-ID: <CALLeeasA7K0w+i5xKB6UpOzB=2ecd9053Os2D-_VumCnL_a3Gg@mail.gmail.com>

When data will get truly personal...





*BioStamp is a digital tattoo developed by US firm MC10. It can be stamped
directly on to the body and collects data on body temperature, hydration
levels, UV exposure and more. As with other wearables, the data can be
uploaded*





http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30144072
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From chlebrum at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 15:40:22 2014
From: chlebrum at gmail.com (chlebrum .)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:40:22 +0100
Subject: [governance] Internet History
Message-ID: <CANMQhZitnjRu=USQno0GxW6kxMDJiFuXhq6L69tabgnmzAcxNw@mail.gmail.com>

Just published in "Technology and Culture":
"*In the Shadow of ARPANET and Internet: Louis Pouzin and the Cyclades
Network in the 1970s*"
(Andrew L. Russell
<http://muse.jhu.edu/results?section1=author&search1=Andrew%20L.%20Russell>
, Valérie Schafer
<http://muse.jhu.edu/results?section1=author&search1=Val%C3%A9rie%20Schafer>
)

http://goo.gl/AGtPSG

Chantal Lebrument
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From soekpe at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 16:11:10 2014
From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:11:10 +0100
Subject: [governance] Internet History
In-Reply-To: <CANMQhZitnjRu=USQno0GxW6kxMDJiFuXhq6L69tabgnmzAcxNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANMQhZitnjRu=USQno0GxW6kxMDJiFuXhq6L69tabgnmzAcxNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALLeeaviAZ_0QgRxH0kuucevOkGKuN+HEc2hMvfB19dbZF8iTg@mail.gmail.com>

When data will get truly personal...





*BioStamp is a digital tattoo developed by US firm MC10. It can be stamped
directly on to the body and collects data on body temperature, hydration
levels, UV exposure and more. As with other wearables, the data can be
uploaded*




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30144072 Following the successful
human machine relationship, I want to see shortly human, machine and plant
relationship. Where plants nutrient can be transfer through wireless
connection to humans as food and medicine.

Lets think along this line.

Sonigitu Ekpe

Mobile +234 805 0232 469    Office + 234 802 751 0179
 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving"


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just published in "Technology and Culture":
> "*In the Shadow of ARPANET and Internet: Louis Pouzin and the Cyclades
> Network in the 1970s*"
> (Andrew L. Russell
> <http://muse.jhu.edu/results?section1=author&search1=Andrew%20L.%20Russell>
> , Valérie Schafer
> <http://muse.jhu.edu/results?section1=author&search1=Val%C3%A9rie%20Schafer>
> )
>
> http://goo.gl/AGtPSG
>
> Chantal Lebrument
> Courriel: c <lebrument at open-root.eu>hlebrum at gmail.com
> Mob: +33 6 8369 5460
>
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 20:20:20 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (williams.deirdre at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:20:20 -0400
Subject: [governance] Internet History
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From kstubbs at afilias.info  Wed Dec 10 20:24:22 2014
From: kstubbs at afilias.info (Ken Stubbs)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:24:22 -0500
Subject: [governance] Breaking: U.S. Government Funding Bill Delays IANA
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http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding_bill_delays_iana_transition/ 


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From iza at anr.org  Thu Dec 11 17:47:44 2014
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:47:44 +0900
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] GA 2nd Committee / ICT4D
 negotiations update
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So, this is final.

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Dear All,
Please be informed that the Second Committee has just adopted the draft
Resolution on A/C.2/69/L.67 on Information and communications technologies
for development. Please find below the adopted text of the para 17 related
to the mandate of the IGF. best, slava.

17. Welcomes with appreciation the offer made by Mexico to host the
meeting of the Internet Governance Forum in 2016, and recommends that the
extension of the mandate of the Forum be considered in the context of the
overall
review in 2015;

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 01:08:51 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:08:51 +0200
Subject: [governance] Putting "Human Rights" in Perspective
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A very important analysis of the historical and related contexts for "Human
Rights".

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/dec/04/-sp-case-against-human-rights

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From erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu  Fri Dec 12 02:20:08 2014
From: erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu (JOSEFSSON Erik)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:20:08 +0000
Subject: [governance] Ensuring utmost transparency - Free Software and Open
 Standards in the European Parliament
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Dear all,

I hope this analysis will be useful also in IG context.

Best regards.

//Erik


Web article: http://www.greens-efa.eu/free-software-and-open-standards-in-the-european-parliament-13245.html
Link to the study: http://www.greens-efa.eu/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Studies/Ensuring-Utmost-Transparency--Piana-Oberg-Korff.pdf

<http://www.greens-efa.eu/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Studies/Ensuring-Utmost-Transparency--Piana-Oberg-Korff.pdf>
Free Software and Open Standards in the European Parliament
Ensuring utmost transparency - Free Software and Open Standards under the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament

Do public bodies in Europe have an obligation to move from closed source and lock-in to vendor independence and free software? In general probably yes, but is it also true for the European Parliament? Definitely! This is the stark conclusion of the study "Ensuring utmost transparency - Free Software and Open Standards under the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament" by Carlo Piana and Ulf Öberg.

It is clear, the study says, that the Parliament has imposed upon itself a commitment to conduct its activities with the utmost transparency. This commitment follows from the legal standing of the Rules of Procedure, and, when analysed by Piana and Öberg, it turns out the European Parliament's standard of openness is higher than that of other EU institutions. This fact has consequences.

The study investigates in depth how the Parliament's own transparency obligations should inform its decisions, policies and procedures with regard to free software and open standards, for example:

- when Parliament implements communication infrastructure like email, the implementation should not impair standards-based access and should not restrict the use of mailing lists and encryption

- when Parliament opens procurement procedures it should promote free software and open standards through proportionate and calibrated specifications as new EU rules allow for the taking into account of environmental and social considerations and innovation in the awarding of public contracts

- when Parliament decides to make a given set of data or information available to the public, this must be done through non-discriminatory, transparent and up-to-date means of communication, and in open formats that support further analyses, uses and releases

- when Parliament adopts free software and open standards it should follow and exceed measurable benchmarks that other public bodies in the EU have already provided

- when Parliament can choose technologies that allow others to work with Parliament's own systems and data, such technologies should be privileged, even if they were to incur some extra costs

The authors conclude that "the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament should whenever possible make Free Software and Open Standards mandatory for all systems and data used for the work of Parliament. In our view, that is the most appropriate way for Parliament to meet its own standard of "utmost transparency"."

The study has been supervised by Professor Douwe Korff who says it "links this principle [of"utmost transparency"] with the technical standards and practical steps that can be taken to ensure its full implementation" and that "the authors have managed to draw on all these sources to indicate clearly what should be done in practical, technical terms by the officials managing the information and IT systems relating to the work of the European Parliament to truly and fully achieve the legal requirement of "utmost transparency". This report will become a major point of reference for the debates on those steps."
·         Download the study (first edition, PDF)<http://www.greens-efa.eu/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Studies/Ensuring-Utmost-Transparency--Piana-Oberg-Korff.pdf>

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From nb at bollow.ch  Sat Dec 13 04:23:02 2014
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:23:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] Putting "Human Rights" in Perspective
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:08:51 +0200
"michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> A very important analysis of the historical and related contexts for
> "Human Rights".
> 
> http://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/dec/04/-sp-case-against-human-rights

I strongly disagree with Posner's claims that “human rights law has
failed to accomplish its objectives” and that “a radically different
approach is long overdue.”

In fact I’m amazed to see this kind of attack on human rights law.

My response to this is also online as a blogpost, at
http://sustainability.oriented.systems/the-case-for-human-rights/

Some of Posner’s points are valid, especially where he speaks of the
kind of human rights discourse which is in fact a form of cultural and
legal imperialism. That is a real problem, and in regard to that I
agree with Posner’s concluding sentence that “a humbler approach is
long overdue.”

It is true that appropriately and correctly citing international human
rights law is often not easy, and the discourse is not helped by the
fact that in mass media based public discourse, there is generally no
room for the important subtleties around which aspects of the
internationally recognized human rights are to be accepted as absolute,
and which aspects can be legitimately restricted in view of other
concerns. Posner’s claim that international human rights law “is
hopelessly ambiguous” is simply not true. But it is a difficult topic
area, and even when human rights advocates take the trouble of writing
up careful arguments, the media will generally not report about the
careful arguments. I have some personal experience of what I speak
about here. For example, Tages-Anzeiger, one of the leading newspapers
in Switzerland, has just cited me as claiming that a certain Internet
related measure which is being discussed in one of the processes of the
Swiss political system would be a human rights violation. (The article
is here:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/digital/social-media/Anonymitaet-im-Internet-auf-dem-Pruefstand/story/17214030 ;
it’s in German.) In my answer to the journalist’s question, I had also
given him an explanation which justifies my claim, but unsurprisingly
that explanation did not make it into the journalist’s article.
Fortunately, the Internet supports not only mass media but also niche
media for example in the form of blogs, and I have been able to put my
explanation online independently. (It’s at
https://www.digitale-gesellschaft.ch/2014/12/12/anonyme-organisatoren/ ,
in German.)

I think that Posner would probably not be going nearly so far in his
(in my opinion vastly overreaching) criticism of human rights law if he
had had the opportunity to live in Swtzerland for a while (which is
where I live) and see how human rights law is an indispensable part of
our legal system. When a Swiss law violates a human right, as I believe
it is currently the case with the law on telecommunications
surveillance, the one available recourse is to take a legal case to the
European Court of Human Rights. (Some information on a legal challenge
to this, in which I am involved as one of the complainants, is at
http://sustainability.oriented.systems/challenging-swiss-data-retention/ .)

More generally, in an increasingly globalized world, emphasizing those
principles of governance which are absolute and universal is
increasingly and fundamentally important. We cannot afford to follow
Posner and look for “a radically different approach.” Rather, we must
improve the understanding of human rights law among generally educated
people, so that the discourse becomes less confused and so that the
temptation to claim that international human rights law “is hopelessly
ambiguous” will no longer be there. This applies in particular in the
context of Internet governance where purely national governance is
simply not an option. In the Internet governance realm, the
socioeconomics of network effects make it largely unavoidable that some
kind of global consolidation and then top-down process plays out. The
question is therfore mainly just whether at the top of that top-down
process are the economic interests of profit-oriented corporations and
associated imperialistic interests, or whether there is a reasonably
democratic public policy process based on the principle of primacy of
human rights.

Greetings,
Norbert

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From kichango at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 04:54:39 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:54:39 +0000
Subject: [governance] Closing of nominations to NMI Coordination Council
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Hello there,

Just a gentle reminder that for those interested in participating on the
NetMundial Initiative Coordination Committee, you have until this Monday,
15 December, to submit a nomination.

https://www.netmundial.org/coordination-council-nominations

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From kichango at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 05:40:33 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:40:33 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: URGENT: Call for candidates to IGC
 co-coordinatorship
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Hello there,

This is a gentle reminder to let you know for those who are interested in
running for the available position of IGC co-coordinator that you have
until this coming Friday, 19 December midnight UTC, to nominate (with the
acceptance of the nominee) or self-nominate.

So far, I have received nominations of or from:

- Analia Aspis
- Arsene Tungali
- Kawsar Uddin

Please let me know if I have forgotten someone. For those still on the
fence (such as Vincent Solomon, Akinremi Peter Taiwo or Kwasi
Boakye-Akyeampong to mention but those who did explicitly show some
interest), I only have one proverbial phrase for you: If I can do it, you
can do it too! So please let me know if you have made up your mind in favor
of a run.

Please find below a recall of instructions I posted earlier for the
candidates. Please make sure you send your candidacy materials to me.

Self-nomination: You do not have to forward it here on the list. You can
send it to me directly or to Deirdre: williams (dot) deirdre (at) gmail
(dot) com

Third-party nomination: Please make sure your prospective nominee accept
your nomination and then you can forward us his or her name as above.
Alternatively, you can make public nomination on the list inviting your
prospective nominee to respond by accepting or declining. Another variant
of the same is that you send us a private email with your prospective
nominee cc'ed on it, asking him or her to accept or decline in a reply to
all, etc.

In any event, all nominees who will have accepted their nomination will be
asked to provide the following information directly to me at kichango (at)
gmail (dot) com (NOT to this list), which will then be uploaded and made
public on the Caucus website by the time the poll starts.

1) Name
2) Country you affiliate yourself with (nationality or residence)
3) Organizational/Network affiliations in the context of CS/Academia or in
the context of ICTs
4) Disclosure of Conflict of Interest, if any.
5) Short Biography (you may also provide a link to your personal website or
your Linkedin page if you have one.)
6) Why you think you would make a good co-coordinator for the IGC
7) Vision for the IGC
8) A picture of you (no more than 50 Kb headshot).

We would be grateful if you can keep your text in 300 words or less.
As I said previously, we hope to receive all nominations by 19th December,
midnight UTC

Best regards,

Mawaki

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Now that the excitement of the new MAG is over it's time for us at the IGC
> to have our own election. We need to elect a second Co-coordinator. The
> results of the elections for new Co-coordinators a year ago gave Mawaki a
> one year term. As he already suggested at several occasions including
> during the election last year, he is not in position to serve two more
> years. In other words, Mawaki does not intend to stand again.
>
> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with
> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as
> a co-coordinator to serve from 2015-2017.
>
> Nominations will be open until 19th December, midnight UTC.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mawaki Chango
> Deirdre Williams
> IGC Co-coordinators
>
>
>
>
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From seth.p.johnson at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 08:57:24 2014
From: seth.p.johnson at gmail.com (Seth Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:57:24 -0500
Subject: [IRPCoalition] [governance] Putting "Human Rights" in
 Perspective
In-Reply-To: <20141213102302.6dd32700@quill>
References: <03f201d015d2$20d3c7d0$627b5770$@gmail.com> <20141213102302.6dd32700@quill>
Message-ID: <CAJkfFBwRrTBWQ68Dx7tThBzVY4kNqmbh1tBU3BqvfUZCcw_h5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Norbert -- in your Swiss data retention article, you say
"Switzerland does not have a constitutional court which would be
tasked with reviewing a law in regard to whether it appropriately
respects the constitution and in particular the human rights which are
declared to be fundamental rights in the constitution."  Surely Swiss
courts apply fundamental rights.  Is the difference you're referring
to, that the European Court of Human Rights would handle, the
opportunity to review a law directly, rather to try than an existing
controversy?  Also, does Europe, or that portion of Europe under the
jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights, have an appeal
process under documents that define that jurisdiction, either for
existing "cases or controversies" or directly for review of laws?


Seth

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:23 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:08:51 +0200
> "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A very important analysis of the historical and related contexts for
>> "Human Rights".
>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/dec/04/-sp-case-against-human-rights
>
> I strongly disagree with Posner's claims that “human rights law has
> failed to accomplish its objectives” and that “a radically different
> approach is long overdue.”
>
> In fact I’m amazed to see this kind of attack on human rights law.
>
> My response to this is also online as a blogpost, at
> http://sustainability.oriented.systems/the-case-for-human-rights/
>
> Some of Posner’s points are valid, especially where he speaks of the
> kind of human rights discourse which is in fact a form of cultural and
> legal imperialism. That is a real problem, and in regard to that I
> agree with Posner’s concluding sentence that “a humbler approach is
> long overdue.”
>
> It is true that appropriately and correctly citing international human
> rights law is often not easy, and the discourse is not helped by the
> fact that in mass media based public discourse, there is generally no
> room for the important subtleties around which aspects of the
> internationally recognized human rights are to be accepted as absolute,
> and which aspects can be legitimately restricted in view of other
> concerns. Posner’s claim that international human rights law “is
> hopelessly ambiguous” is simply not true. But it is a difficult topic
> area, and even when human rights advocates take the trouble of writing
> up careful arguments, the media will generally not report about the
> careful arguments. I have some personal experience of what I speak
> about here. For example, Tages-Anzeiger, one of the leading newspapers
> in Switzerland, has just cited me as claiming that a certain Internet
> related measure which is being discussed in one of the processes of the
> Swiss political system would be a human rights violation. (The article
> is here:
> http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/digital/social-media/Anonymitaet-im-Internet-auf-dem-Pruefstand/story/17214030 ;
> it’s in German.) In my answer to the journalist’s question, I had also
> given him an explanation which justifies my claim, but unsurprisingly
> that explanation did not make it into the journalist’s article.
> Fortunately, the Internet supports not only mass media but also niche
> media for example in the form of blogs, and I have been able to put my
> explanation online independently. (It’s at
> https://www.digitale-gesellschaft.ch/2014/12/12/anonyme-organisatoren/ ,
> in German.)
>
> I think that Posner would probably not be going nearly so far in his
> (in my opinion vastly overreaching) criticism of human rights law if he
> had had the opportunity to live in Swtzerland for a while (which is
> where I live) and see how human rights law is an indispensable part of
> our legal system. When a Swiss law violates a human right, as I believe
> it is currently the case with the law on telecommunications
> surveillance, the one available recourse is to take a legal case to the
> European Court of Human Rights. (Some information on a legal challenge
> to this, in which I am involved as one of the complainants, is at
> http://sustainability.oriented.systems/challenging-swiss-data-retention/ .)
>
> More generally, in an increasingly globalized world, emphasizing those
> principles of governance which are absolute and universal is
> increasingly and fundamentally important. We cannot afford to follow
> Posner and look for “a radically different approach.” Rather, we must
> improve the understanding of human rights law among generally educated
> people, so that the discourse becomes less confused and so that the
> temptation to claim that international human rights law “is hopelessly
> ambiguous” will no longer be there. This applies in particular in the
> context of Internet governance where purely national governance is
> simply not an option. In the Internet governance realm, the
> socioeconomics of network effects make it largely unavoidable that some
> kind of global consolidation and then top-down process plays out. The
> question is therfore mainly just whether at the top of that top-down
> process are the economic interests of profit-oriented corporations and
> associated imperialistic interests, or whether there is a reasonably
> democratic public policy process based on the principle of primacy of
> human rights.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
> _______________________________________________
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> IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp

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From nb at bollow.ch  Sat Dec 13 09:46:13 2014
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:46:13 +0100
Subject: [IRPCoalition] [governance] Putting "Human Rights" in
 Perspective
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:57:24 -0500
Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Norbert -- in your Swiss data retention article, you say
> "Switzerland does not have a constitutional court which would be
> tasked with reviewing a law in regard to whether it appropriately
> respects the constitution and in particular the human rights which are
> declared to be fundamental rights in the constitution."  Surely Swiss
> courts apply fundamental rights.

Yes they do, but they are supposed to assume that the law has already
been thoroughly vetted during the legislative process to ensure that it
does not violate fundamental rights. The job of the courts is only to
interpret the law in accordance to the fundamental rights. That cannot
reasonably be expected to lead to a productive result when the law says
that data retention e.g. of email and phone communications must be done
and we say that that is a human rights violation. Unlike in countries
which have a constitutional court, we're not going to get a judgment
from a Swiss court which says that a certain law of a part of it is in
violation of fundamental rights or otherwise unconstitutional. We can
get that kind of judgment only from the European Court of Human Rights.

>  Is the difference you're referring
> to, that the European Court of Human Rights would handle, the
> opportunity to review a law directly, rather to try than an existing
> controversy?

The European Court of Human Rights also handles only existing
controversies. So we had to create a controversy first, by filing a
petition with Dienst ÜPF (Office of Supervision of Post and
Telecommunication) to please tell our telecommunication providers to
exclude us from data retention because it violates our fundamental
rights. In response, Dienst ÜPF gave us a decision that can be
challenged in court (“beschwerdefähige Verfügung”). The current status
is that the case is pending in the Swiss Federal Court of
Administration. It is only possible to bring a case to the European
Court of Human Rights after having completed the process of going
through the national courts.

> Also, does Europe, or that portion of Europe under the
> jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights,

That is BTW essentially all of Europe except Kosovo (it's much broader
than e.g. just the EU, of which Switzerland is not a member.)

However it is not everywhere in Europe that you can expect a judgment
of the European Court of Human Rights to be taken as seriously as it
will be taken e.g. in Switzerland.

> have an appeal
> process under documents that define that jurisdiction, either for
> existing "cases or controversies" or directly for review of laws?

I'm not sure that I understand this question correctly, but if I
understand the question right, the "documents that define that
jurisdiction" are the European Convention on Human Rights and its
Protocols, and the "appeal process" is precisely the possibility of
bringing a case to the European Court of Human Rights after having gone
through the national courts.

Greetings,
Norbert

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From seth.p.johnson at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 10:35:30 2014
From: seth.p.johnson at gmail.com (Seth Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:35:30 -0500
Subject: [IRPCoalition] [governance] Putting "Human Rights" in
 Perspective
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On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:57:24 -0500
> Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Norbert -- in your Swiss data retention article, you say
>> "Switzerland does not have a constitutional court which would be
>> tasked with reviewing a law in regard to whether it appropriately
>> respects the constitution and in particular the human rights which are
>> declared to be fundamental rights in the constitution."  Surely Swiss
>> courts apply fundamental rights.
>
> Yes they do, but they are supposed to assume that the law has already
> been thoroughly vetted during the legislative process to ensure that it
> does not violate fundamental rights. The job of the courts is only to
> interpret the law in accordance to the fundamental rights.

I'm pretty sure the principle here is more that you can't just "take a
law to court" (or, what people sometimes try, attempt to effectively
amend their constitution by going to court).


> That cannot
> reasonably be expected to lead to a productive result when the law says
> that data retention e.g. of email and phone communications must be done
> and we say that that is a human rights violation. Unlike in countries
> which have a constitutional court, we're not going to get a judgment
> from a Swiss court which says that a certain law of a part of it is in
> violation of fundamental rights or otherwise unconstitutional. We can
> get that kind of judgment only from the European Court of Human Rights.
>
>> Is the difference you're referring
>> to, that the European Court of Human Rights would handle, the
>> opportunity to review a law directly, rather to try than an existing
>> controversy?
>
> The European Court of Human Rights also handles only existing
> controversies. So we had to create a controversy first, by filing a
> petition with Dienst ÜPF (Office of Supervision of Post and
> Telecommunication) to please tell our telecommunication providers to
> exclude us from data retention because it violates our fundamental
> rights. In response, Dienst ÜPF gave us a decision that can be
> challenged in court (“beschwerdefähige Verfügung”). The current status
> is that the case is pending in the Swiss Federal Court of
> Administration. It is only possible to bring a case to the European
> Court of Human Rights after having completed the process of going
> through the national courts.
>
>> Also, does Europe, or that portion of Europe under the
>> jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights,
>
> That is BTW essentially all of Europe except Kosovo (it's much broader
> than e.g. just the EU, of which Switzerland is not a member.)
>
> However it is not everywhere in Europe that you can expect a judgment
> of the European Court of Human Rights to be taken as seriously as it
> will be taken e.g. in Switzerland.
>
>> have an appeal
>> process under documents that define that jurisdiction, either for
>> existing "cases or controversies" or directly for review of laws?
>
> I'm not sure that I understand this question correctly, but if I
> understand the question right, the "documents that define that
> jurisdiction" are the European Convention on Human Rights and its
> Protocols, and the "appeal process" is precisely the possibility of
> bringing a case to the European Court of Human Rights after having gone
> through the national courts.


Surely the European Court of Human Rights has some sort of document
stating what types of cases they can consider.  It might be something
sort of suspended in the international space, with some governments
signing on and saying sure create a court, but not necessarily giving
any strong articulation of how their constitutional orders relate to
it.

A lot of times governments in the international arena are content to
cook up a treaty organization and leave it to posterity to figure out
how it will actually apply.


Seth

> Greetings,
> Norbert

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From nb at bollow.ch  Sat Dec 13 13:20:08 2014
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:20:08 +0100
Subject: [IRPCoalition] [governance] Putting "Human Rights" in
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:35:30 -0500
Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:57:24 -0500
> > Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Norbert -- in your Swiss data retention article, you say
> >> "Switzerland does not have a constitutional court which would be
> >> tasked with reviewing a law in regard to whether it appropriately
> >> respects the constitution and in particular the human rights which
> >> are declared to be fundamental rights in the constitution."
> >> Surely Swiss courts apply fundamental rights.
> >
> > Yes they do, but they are supposed to assume that the law has
> > already been thoroughly vetted during the legislative process to
> > ensure that it does not violate fundamental rights. The job of the
> > courts is only to interpret the law in accordance to the
> > fundamental rights.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the principle here is more that you can't just "take a
> law to court"

In legal systems which have a constitutional court, you can actually
*take a law to court*, claiming that it violates the constitution.

That's how the German data retention law was killed. This was possible
because Germany has a Federal Constitutional Court
(Bundesverfassungsgericht) whose intended purpose includes deciding
that kind of cases.

Also the EU's European Court of Justice has the power to act as a
constitutional court, which is why it was able to kill the EU's Data
Retention Directive.

We don't have any court with that kind of power in Switzerland. But at
least we have the recourse of appealing to the European Court of Human
Rights. 

> Surely the European Court of Human Rights has some sort of document
> stating what types of cases they can consider.

Yes, of course. That is defined in articles 32-35 of the European
Convention on Human Rights, available e.g. at
http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/en/Treaties/Html/005.htm .

>  It might be something
> sort of suspended in the international space, with some governments
> signing on and saying sure create a court, but not necessarily giving
> any strong articulation of how their constitutional orders relate to
> it.

Sure... in fact, as I said, the European Court of Human Rights is not
taken equally serious in all European countries. Generally speaking,
the same countries which simply don't care about their obligations
under the UN-based human rights treaties also don't particularly care
about their obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.

In fact for very many practical purposes, the obligations under the
European Convention on Human Rights are identical to the obligations
under the UN-based human rights treaties (all of the most central human
rights are in both human rights systems) with just the difference that
the European Convention on Human Rights establishes a Court with the
power to make a country's human rights obligations very very concrete
in a particular context or situation. But making decisions of the
European Court of Human Rights meaningful in the national context is
something that can only be done by each participating country.
The European Convention on Human Rights states that the countries
"undertake to abide by the final judgment of the Court in any case to
which they are parties". Not all countries in Europe are serious about
that. When a country fails to comply, the only thing that can be done
is to inform to the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe.

When a country doesn't take its human rights obligations serious (by
this I mean not only treaty-based human rights obligations on the basis
of human rights treaties which the country has ratified, but on the
basis of the principle of universality of human rights I view all
countries and their governments as being morally obligated with the
same obligations regardless of whether they have ratified the concerned
human rights treaty or not) there is in my view little that can be done
from the outside. It's the people of the afflicted country who need to
take action and insist on proper, human rights abiding governance.

Some kind of constitutional court or human rights court is in my opinion
a necessary ingredient. This can be a national constitutional court or a
supranational human rights court like the European Court of Human
Rights provided that respect for rulings of the supranational human
rights court is appropriately institutionalized.

In my view, ideally every country should have its own constitutional
court and it should in addition participate in a supranational human
rights court like the European Court of Human Rights.

> A lot of times governments in the international arena are content to
> cook up a treaty organization and leave it to posterity to figure out
> how it will actually apply.

I am very glad that this is not the case for the European Convention on
Human Rights.

Greetings,
Norbert

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From seth.p.johnson at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 19:47:01 2014
From: seth.p.johnson at gmail.com (Seth Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:47:01 -0500
Subject: [IRPCoalition] [governance] Putting "Human Rights" in
 Perspective
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On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:35:30 -0500
> Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:57:24 -0500
>> > Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Norbert -- in your Swiss data retention article, you say
>> >> "Switzerland does not have a constitutional court which would be
>> >> tasked with reviewing a law in regard to whether it appropriately
>> >> respects the constitution and in particular the human rights which
>> >> are declared to be fundamental rights in the constitution."
>> >> Surely Swiss courts apply fundamental rights.
>> >
>> > Yes they do, but they are supposed to assume that the law has
>> > already been thoroughly vetted during the legislative process to
>> > ensure that it does not violate fundamental rights. The job of the
>> > courts is only to interpret the law in accordance to the
>> > fundamental rights.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the principle here is more that you can't just "take a
>> law to court"
>
> In legal systems which have a constitutional court, you can actually
> *take a law to court*, claiming that it violates the constitution.


I buy that there are courts that have been specially designated with
the role of addressing constitutional matters.  But any place that has
courts and a constitution will have courts that play that function.
By "taking a law to court" I mean you don't get to go to the court as
an individual and say you think it should not have been passed just
because it's opposed to the constitution.  You don't get standing to
enter the court and go before a judge with that kind of argument, in
part because that would subject laws to all sorts of constant second
guessing by everybody.  You do that in legislative channels, through
representatives charged with the power to pass laws.  Or you'd gave to
have some sort of intermediary minister of some sort who would
shepherd claims like that.  It's part of the systemic design of
constitutional representative systems.  You have to have been affected
by the law and enter a claim against a party you hold harmed you, to
enter the court and present a constitutional argument.  That's what it
means to have to have a case or controversy.


> That's how the German data retention law was killed. This was possible
> because Germany has a Federal Constitutional Court
> (Bundesverfassungsgericht) whose intended purpose includes deciding
> that kind of cases.
>
> Also the EU's European Court of Justice has the power to act as a
> constitutional court, which is why it was able to kill the EU's Data
> Retention Directive.
>
> We don't have any court with that kind of power in Switzerland. But at
> least we have the recourse of appealing to the European Court of Human
> Rights.


Right.


>> Surely the European Court of Human Rights has some sort of document
>> stating what types of cases they can consider.
>
> Yes, of course. That is defined in articles 32-35 of the European
> Convention on Human Rights, available e.g. at
> http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/en/Treaties/Html/005.htm .
>
>>  It might be something
>> sort of suspended in the international space, with some governments
>> signing on and saying sure create a court, but not necessarily giving
>> any strong articulation of how their constitutional orders relate to
>> it.
>
> Sure... in fact, as I said, the European Court of Human Rights is not
> taken equally serious in all European countries. Generally speaking,
> the same countries which simply don't care about their obligations
> under the UN-based human rights treaties also don't particularly care
> about their obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.
>
> In fact for very many practical purposes, the obligations under the
> European Convention on Human Rights are identical to the obligations
> under the UN-based human rights treaties (all of the most central human
> rights are in both human rights systems) with just the difference that
> the European Convention on Human Rights establishes a Court with the
> power to make a country's human rights obligations very very concrete
> in a particular context or situation. But making decisions of the
> European Court of Human Rights meaningful in the national context is
> something that can only be done by each participating country.
> The European Convention on Human Rights states that the countries
> "undertake to abide by the final judgment of the Court in any case to
> which they are parties". Not all countries in Europe are serious about
> that. When a country fails to comply, the only thing that can be done
> is to inform to the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe.

> When a country doesn't take its human rights obligations serious (by
> this I mean not only treaty-based human rights obligations on the basis
> of human rights treaties which the country has ratified, but on the
> basis of the principle of universality of human rights I view all
> countries and their governments as being morally obligated with the
> same obligations regardless of whether they have ratified the concerned
> human rights treaty or not) there is in my view little that can be done
> from the outside. It's the people of the afflicted country who need to
> take action and insist on proper, human rights abiding governance.


I would not argue on ideal terms like the immediate above paragraph.
It doesn't actually work well unless you have a proper constitutional
foundation.  I would corroborate some of what you're saying in those
terms.  However, the converse side of the question of how rights work
is that they are far more solid and grounded properly at national
levels -- and we have not actually reached that level of foundation at
the international level.


> Some kind of constitutional court or human rights court is in my opinion
> a necessary ingredient. This can be a national constitutional court or a
> supranational human rights court like the European Court of Human
> Rights provided that respect for rulings of the supranational human
> rights court is appropriately institutionalized.


I agree that judicial review is critical -- that's how we secure
rights against acts of the government.

I think I understand the role that constitutional courts play in your
picture.  I'm not convinced that they're very different in the terms
I'm describing -- if they are actually different in some discernible
way in how they take up constitutional questions.  I don't think they
actually work differently when you look at it in these terms.


> In my view, ideally every country should have its own constitutional
> court and it should in addition participate in a supranational human
> rights court like the European Court of Human Rights.
>
>> A lot of times governments in the international arena are content to
>> cook up a treaty organization and leave it to posterity to figure out
>> how it will actually apply.
>
> I am very glad that this is not the case for the European Convention on
> Human Rights.


Yes, it has been accorded the responsibility, yet still it's a product
of governments, not an act of the people setting the terms on all the
governments that ostensibly take part in it -- including those you
note choose not to adhere to it.  It doesn't have the same sort of
role that a court within a government set within limits given by their
people in a constitutional act.  This is important in terms of the
kind of weight fundamental rights have in the deliberations of that
court.  Governments' claims of countervailing considerations have far
more weight there than in a place where we've set a strong foundation.


Seth

> Greetings,
> Norbert

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Mon Dec 15 08:43:47 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:13:47 +0530
Subject: [governance] Collective Intelligence for the Common Good Community
 / Network
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Dear All

A group coordinated by Doug Schuler of the Public Sphere Project 
<http://www.publicsphereproject.org/>has been working to develop a 
Network of actors working on Collective Intelligence for the Common Good 
. With digitally generated intelligence today being increasingly used 
for social and political control and economic exploitation, I think this 
one is an important counter-project. Maybe a David to the Goliath of 
data economy and data surveillance but one needs to start somewhere.

The following is an invitation for anyone interested to join the network 
/ community.

parminder

-----------

Invitation to join the Collective Intelligence for the Common Good 
Community / Network

We would like to invite you to participate in a new research and action 
community network that focuses on Collective Intelligence for the Common 
Good. We hope that our collaborative efforts will help address our 
shared challenges.

Our first group event was a workshop in London in September, 2014 
(http://caps2020.eu/collective-intelligence-common-good-workshop-london-september-29-30/) 
that 30 people attended. We now have an opportunity to publish our work 
in a journal and we are planning for other collaborations.

We plan to continue this work beyond these specific opportunities 
through a variety of approaches that are outlined in our Statement of 
Principles 
(http://publicsphereproject.org/content/statement-principles-collective-intelligence-common-good-community-network) 
and, especially through engagement among our members. The Statement of 
Principles presents our commitment to engagement, multiplicity of 
perspectives and approaches, support and promotion of the integration of 
related efforts, and the actual design and implementation of 
socio-technological systems, media, policy, events, critiques, social 
actions, etc.

Our web site should be available in early 2015. Ultimately it will have 
links to the projects of our members as well as to documents and news.

Members of our community / network are engaged in a wide number of 
projects including deliberative and systems, empirical research, policy 
development, community networks, etc. etc. By building on these efforts, 
we plan to explore and implement a variety of approaches towards 
lightweight coordination, in which relatively small efforts by all of us 
can result in big wins for all of us — and the greater public.

If you are interested in at least hearing about this work, the easiest 
way to proceed is to register on our email distribution site, 
http://scn9.scn.org/mailman/listinfo/ci4cg-announce.

Thanks!

— Doug

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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 11:54:04 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:54:04 -0400
Subject: [governance] For your information re: Civil Society Coordination
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Dear Colleagues,
This is to inform you that, due to Mawaki's need to recuse himself, I am
now the IGC member of the CSCG.
Deirdre


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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Mon Dec 15 11:58:44 2014
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:58:44 +0100
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Welcome and good luck

Wolfgang




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Dear Colleagues,
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Dec 18 02:21:12 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:51:12 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] TRADE impacts on Net Neutrality
In-Reply-To: <CAK-FJAc4M2X4Sj8pXzKgouCHjfPjDbast+UDToADZKeCcE5oEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK-FJAc4M2X4Sj8pXzKgouCHjfPjDbast+UDToADZKeCcE5oEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54928068.2090108@itforchange.net>


This below is a very important development, and the analysis 
<https://data.awp.is/data/filtrala/15/analisis.cleaned.pdf> by Prof 
Kelsey and Dr Kilic is really really good.

The upshot in my view is; the global Internet would finally be governed, 
has to be governed, like any other important social system. The real 
question that we face, especially in the context of these new 
revelations, is; whether

(1) the Internet should be governed as a 'trade system', and among a few 
willing countries, which represent the most powerful countries plus 
those who are willing to partake of the fruits of cooptation, or


(2)  it should be governed as a/unique new global infrastructure of 
communication, information, and social organizing/ (and thus of many a 
social system, including trade) in venues that are open to all countries 
of the world, more powerful or less, big or small.

(Included in the above is the question whether the key value flow on the 
Internet, data, is to be considered in a framework of its multiferous 
enmeshment with many sectors of our society, or just as a commodity for 
trade, with some minor 'exceptions' admitted here and there.)

One would think that for a civil society group the above is a simple 
choice to make. But unfortunately, most civil society actors in the IG 
space have focussed on narrow specific issues missing this larger 
framework, and thus missing the wood for the tree. Willy nilly, in my 
view, it amounts to complicity with option 1 above .

Kelsey and Kilc's analysis begins with a very pertinent listing of US' 
objectives. While all three listed objectives are instructive, I 
especially quote no 3

"prevent or restrict government regulation that impedes the activities 
and profits of the major global services industries, and guarantees 
unrestricted cross-border data flows, which impacts on consumer 
protections, privacy laws, regulatory constraints and competition policy."

How effective the US strategy has been on this count is obvious... It 
has kept the IG world embroiled in the multistakehoder versus 
multilateral debate as it goes ahead building the global architecture of 
IG and of the Internet through its secret agreements like the TISA. When 
the pressure becomes too much, like post Snowden, it throws a NTIA 
transition ball for kids to play with, which is both the not most 
important global IG issues, and even in its best possible outcome does 
not really change much. But quite good to divert people' thinking and 
energy for a year or two. And if one asks, but what about non-tech 
issues, it comes up with the WEF based NetMundial Initiative, and gets 
enthusiastic civil society backers - though anyone will ask the 
question, how the US push to prevent public interest governance of the 
Internet for the sake of protecting its big business interests (see the 
quote above) is addressed by new forums where those very big business 
interests will now direct participate in public policy development. But 
then...

parminder



On Wednesday 17 December 2014 09:17 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote:
> press release from PC (our dear Burcu) and also a briefing distributed 
> today by other groups going deeper on the issues
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Melinda St. Louis* <mstlouis at citizen.org 
> <mailto:mstlouis at citizen.org>>
> Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM
> Subject: [tpp-allies] PC Press Release: Obama "trade" text leak: net 
> neutrality, data privacy implicated
> To: tpp-allies <tpp-allies at listserver.citizen.org 
> <mailto:tpp-allies at listserver.citizen.org>>
>
> http://www.citizen.org/documents/press-release-net-neutrality-leak.pdf
>
> _For Immediate Release_:
>
> 	
>
> _Contact_:
>
> 	
>
> Angela Bradbery (202) 588-7741 <tel:%28202%29%20588-7741>, 
> abradbery at citizen.org <mailto:abradbery at citizen.org>
>
> Dec. 17, 2014
>
> 	
>
> 	
>
> Symone Sanders (202) 454-5108 <tel:%28202%29%20454-5108>, 
> ssanders at citizen.org <mailto:ssanders at citizen.org>
>
> *Leak of Obama Administration Trade Pact Proposal Reveals Negotiations 
> Affecting Net Neutrality, Limits on Data Privacy Protections*//
>
> */U.S. Internet Governance Policy Should not be Designed in 
> Closed-Door, Industry-Influenced Negotiations of U.S. Trade in 
> Services Agreement /*
>
> WASHINGTON, D.C. – While a domestic debate about net neutrality rages 
> and public demands for better data privacy protections grow, a U.S. 
> trade pact proposal leaked today reveals that issues related to both 
> policies are being negotiated in closed-door trade talks to which 
> corporate trade advisors have special access, said Public Citizen.
>
> The leaked text is the U.S. proposal for language relating to 
> e-commerce and Internet issues in a proposed**Trade in Services 
> Agreement (TISA), which is now being negotiated between a 50-country 
> subset of World Trade Organization members. The pact would require 
> signatory countries to ensure conformity of their laws, regulations 
> and administrative procedures with the provisions of the TISA; failure 
> to do so could subject a country to trade sanctions. Negotiators are 
> pushing to complete and implement the pact next year.
>
> “This leak reveals a dangerous trend where policies unrelated to trade 
> are being diplomatically legislated through closed-door international 
> ‘trade’ negotiations to which industry interests have privileged 
> access while the public and policy experts promoting consumer 
> interests are shut out,” said Lori Wallach, director of Public 
> Citizen’s Global Trade Watch. “Given the raging domestic debate over 
> net neutrality, the growing demands for more data privacy and the 
> constantly changing technology, a pact negotiated in secret that is 
> not subject to changes absent consensus of all signatories seems like 
> a very bad place to be setting U.S. Internet governance policies.”
>
> Added Burcu Kilic, a lawyer with Public Citizen, “The Internet belongs 
> to its users. Anyone who cares about an open and free Internet should 
> be concerned that U.S. trade negotiators are seeking to lock in 
> international rules about how the Internet functions, and are doing so 
> in a closed-door process that is not subject to the input of  Internet 
> users. Negotiating rules internationally, behind closed doors, while 
> the domestic discussion is ongoing not only makes an end-run around 
> the domestic process, but excludes the perspectives and expertise 
> needed to make good policy.”
>
> With respect to privacy protections, the leaked text reveals that the 
> U.S. negotiators are pushing for new corporate rights for unrestricted 
> cross-border data flows and prohibitions on requirements to hold and 
> process data locally, thus removing governments’ ability to ensure 
> that private and sensitive personal data is stored and processed only 
> in jurisdictions that ensure privacy.
>
> Such measures are considered critical to ensuring that medical, 
> financial and other data provided protection by U.S. law are not made 
> public when sent offshore for processing and storage, with no legal 
> recourse for affected individuals. Numerous U.S. organizations are 
> pushing for improvements in such policies, which are considerably 
> stronger in other countries. If the proposed TISA terms on free data 
> movement were to become binding on the United States, such needed 
> progress would be foreclosed.
>
> For a more detailed analysis of the leaked text and its implications 
> for net neutrality and data privacy, please see this memo 
> <https://data.awp.is/filtrala/2014/12/17/19.html> co-written by 
> Professor Jane Kelsey, University of Auckland School of Law, and Kilic 
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Dec 18 03:07:44 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:37:44 +0530
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Re: [At-Large] Results Available for 17 December
 2014 New gTLD Program Auction
In-Reply-To: <549287D2.9040909@itforchange.net>
References: <549287D2.9040909@itforchange.net>
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.baby is auctioned off to Johnson and Johnson, I understand, for private 
use - meaning it wont be available to anyone other than J&J. It went for 
$3,088,888 . See https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-12-17-en

   It is a clear loot - cultural and financial... But the civil society 
associated with the IG scene is too well 'engaged' and pampered by the 
status-quo-ists for them to ask the needed questions... I wrote the 
below email to a civil society group that is directly associated with 
ICANN...

In fact,  when discussions on 'closed generics'* was underway in ICANN, 
some prominent members of civil society here wrote a paper approving 
this practice in the name of 'innovative business models'...

(* closed generic are those top level domain names like .baby and .book, 
that are allocated for private use, whereby no one else will be able to 
use them. They get used to indicate services, products or activities 
exclusively of just that one company. )

parminder


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [At-Large] Results Available for 17 December 2014 New gTLD 
Program Auction
Date: 	Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:22:50 +0530
From: 	parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
To: 	at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org




It really hurts deeply to my public and political convictions when a 
generic term of language like 'baby' is auctioned off to the highest 
bidder for a certain, extremely important, exclusive use. What public 
interest has been served here? Is there anyone to ask this question? And 
I direct this question specifically to that part of the civil society 
which the rest of the world would trust should be asking the questions 
in the ICANN's context.

Any trademark authority would have rejected out of hand if Johnson and 
Johnson had sought 'baby' as a trademark for itself. The reasons are 
obvious. But those reasons do not mean anything to ICANN, and perhaps 
neither to civil society groups associated with ICANN.

But the trademark authorities are expressly public interest bodies, 
under public authorities, which are in turn subject to institutionalised 
public oversight and accountability.

ICANN on the other hand is a system captured by a group of people, who 
have developed the perfect means and system to keep all those close by 
and powerful happy in different ways - it uses the euphemism 
'stakeholders' for them.

Most of all, it keeps the big daddy, the US, happy, by employing various 
means to support its  reign over theglobalInternet - it keeps a 
boisterous IG circuit in play that supports the status quo, and drowns 
out every other voice. This has been done very effectively till now. 
Btw, which technical governance mandate ICANN was pursuing to propose 
and set up the World Economic Forum based new Net Mundial Initiative, 
which is simply a way to divert global demands for addressing pressing 
Internet related public policy issues. This is done directly to appease 
US government's political interest, which ICANN has no business to be 
doing.. And then it keep the domain name industry happy and prospering, 
and also other major industries.... This group of people, which goes in 
the name of ICANN, does all this using the enormous funds that it 
illegally collects as a tax from global public using the Internet. This 
is where the money goes, and it produces conditions for further extraction.

It is a sorry state.

parminder


On Thursday 18 December 2014 11:18 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> How long that will continue/last will be a question to answer in near
> future.
>
> Cheers!
>
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 18 Dec 2014 02:02, "Carlton Samuels"<carlton.samuels at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> The money pile grows...
>>
>> -Carlton
>>
>> ==============================
>> Carlton A Samuels
>> Mobile: 876-818-1799
>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>> =============================
>>
>>
>>    [image: ICANN]<http://www.icann.org/>  News Alert
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-12-17-en
>> ------------------------------
>> Results Available for 17 December 2014 New gTLD Program Auction
>>
>> 17 December 2014
>>
>> On 17 December 2014, Power Auctions LLC<http://www.powerauctions.com/>,
>> ICANN's authorized auction service provider, conducted a New gTLD Program
>> Auction to resolve string contention for two new generic top-level domain
>> (gTLD) strings: .BABY and .MLS. Applicants for these strings were unable to
>> resolve contention among themselves; thus their contention sets proceeded
>> to auction, which is the method of last resort to resolve string contention
>> as prescribed in Module 4 of the New gTLD Program Applicant Guidebook
>> <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb>. Subject to payment of the
>> winning price and meeting all other criteria for eligibility, the winner
>> will enter ICANN's contracting process to sign a Registry Agreement to
>> operate the respective gTLD.
>>
>> Six applicants participated in the auction for .BABY. Johnson & Johnson
>> Services Inc. prevailed with a winning price of $3,088,888.
>>
>> Two applicants participated in the auction for MLS. The Canadian Real
>> Estate Association prevailed with a winning price of $3,359,000.
>>
>> All proceeds from the Auction are being segregated and withheld from use
>> until ICANN's Board of Directors define a plan for an appropriate use of
>> the funds through consultation with the community.
>> More Information
>>
>>     - Auction Results webpage
>>     <
>> https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/auctionresults
>>> :
>>     Auction reports on this page on the New gTLD Microsite provide
>> additional
>>     information on bidding.
>>     - Auction proceeds and costs
>>     <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions/proceeds>: A detailed
>>     summary of the proceeds and costs of all auctions conducted through
>>     November 2014. This information is updated at the end of each month.
>>     - Auctions schedule
>>     <
>> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions/schedule-12dec14-en.pdf>
>>     [PDF, 253 KB]: Subsequent auctions are scheduled to occur on a monthly
>>     basis throughout 2014 and into early 2015. Auction events are intended
>> to
>>     resolve multiple contention sets simultaneously.
>>     - General New gTLD Program Auctions
>>     <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions>  information.
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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Dec 18 07:16:42 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:16:42 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: The Busan Consensus: A Turning Point?
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3AG9B-P7BaUTV_9tQr02c_Ah20jWu1Y8C_moQiHi67fw@mail.gmail.com>

We already heard Sally, Leslie, and Andrea's reflections on the Plenipot at
the ISOC-DC debrief <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7227> a month back. Now, Danny
Sepulveda is defining it as win for those who were concerned about ITU
mission creep in what he terms
<https://openinternet.state.gov/message-ambassador-sepulveda/>  "the Busan
Consensus" -   *"In Busan, we established a basis and process that enables
the ITU to work within its mandate to promote global connectivity while
leaving decisions about how people use that connectivity to more
appropriate institutions and deliberations."   *This will be the focus of
today's discussion.

For a wider overview of what went down in Busan read this report
<https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/12/10/itu-plenipotentiary-2014-impressions-and-analysis-of-outcomes>
from
ISOC-NY's own Avri Doria.


[image: ei_plenipot14]
<https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/EI-PP-14/>Today, *Thursday
December 18 2014* at *9am EST*, the *European Institute* will host *"The
Busan Consensus: A Turning Point
<https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/EI-PP-14/>"* in Washington DC.
A panel will consider the outcomes of the recent *ITU Plenipotentiary
Conference <http://www.itu.int/en/plenipotentiary/2014/Pages/default.aspx>*.
Speakers: *Ambassador Daniel Sepulveda*, Deputy Assistant Secretary and
U.S. Coordinator for International Communication and Information Policy,
U.S. Department of State; *Sally Shipman Wentworth*, Vice President of
Global Policy Development, Internet Society; *Marie Royce*, Senior Director
International Affairs, Alcatel-Lucent; *Leslie Martinkovics*, Director of
International Public Policy & Regulatory Affairs, Verizon; *Andrea Glorioso*,
Counselor, Digital Agenda & ICT, Delegation of the European Union;
Moderator: *Dr. Michael Nelson*, Adjunct Professor, Internet
Studies,Communication, Culture, & Technology Program, Georgetown
University. The event will be webcast live via the* Internet Society
Livestream Channel <https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/EI-PP-14/>*.





*What: The Busan Consensus: A Turning Point
<https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/EI-PP-14/>Where: Cosmos Club,
Washington DCWhen: Thursday December 18 2014 at 9:00-10:30am EST |
14:00-16:30
UTCWebcast: https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/EI-PP-14/
<https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/EI-PP-14/>Twitter: #plenipot14
+ @EuroInstituteDC
<https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23plenipot14%20%40EuroInstituteDC&src=typd>*


Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7329#respond>   See all comments
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Dec 18 21:59:56 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:29:56 +0530
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Re: [At-Large] Results Available for 17 December
 2014 New gTLD Program Auction
In-Reply-To: <5492F801.3090200@itforchange.net>
References: <5492F801.3090200@itforchange.net>
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Forwarding an email exchange from another elist, highlighting some facts 
about a serious violation of public interest by ICANN, and lack of any 
engagement and response from the involved civil society... parminder

McTim

See the .baby gtld proposal from J&J at  https://www.101domain.com/applications/1-1156-50969.htm

GAC advice on closed generics where it lists .baby among others as the  'problematic' kind, at  https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/gac-to-board-18apr13-en.pdf

GAC advice made a very valid point, any exclusive access to a gtld  'should serve a public interest goal', or that closed generics should  only be allowed if they specifically serve a public interest goal.

And J&J's response to GAC advice is at  http://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/applicants/23may13/gac-advice-response-1-1156-50969-en.pdf

Which is really no response, and shows nowhere how a public interest  goal is served by allowing an exclusive access to J&J and its partners,  plus whoever it likes, to the gtld .baby .

So, yes, indeed, not only is .baby a closed generic, GAC explicitly  objected to having closed generics unless a clear public interest could  be established in such an allocation.

J&J obviously could not show any public interest served by giving .baby  to it as a closed generic.

Still, ICANN goes ahead and gives .baby to J&J as a closed generic, and  pockets a cool $3,088,888.

So much so for ICANN being a public interest body. It is simply a key  node of the global Internet illegitimately captured by some people and  some interests, and the only actor who can do something about it, the US
gov, looks the other way because it serves a huge lot of its strategic  interests to do so... One cannot understand what and how public interest  will be served now with the proposal that ICANN becomes more or less
accountable to none, which is the direction of the IANA transition process.

parminder

On Thursday 18 December 2014 06:27 PM, McTim wrote:
> Parminder,
>
> It is indeed a sorry state when one jumps to conclusions.
>
> Specification 11 of the Registry Agreement, says, in part:
>
>
> d.Registry Operator of a “Generic String” TLD may not impose
> eligibility criteria for registering names in the TLD that limit
> registrations exclusively to a single person or entity and/or that
> person’s or entity’s “Affiliates” (as defined in Section 2.9(c) of the
> Registry Agreement). “Generic String” means a string consisting of a
> word or term that denominates or describes a general class of goods,
> services, groups, organizations or things, as opposed to
> distinguishing a specific brand of goods, services, groups,
> organizations or things from those of others.
>
>
>
>
> So unless you have evidence that the winner of .baby has successfully
> stricken this from the RA, I would suggest that you are incorrect
> about this being a closed generic.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:52 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     It really hurts deeply to my public and political convictions when
>     a generic term of language like 'baby' is auctioned off to the
>     highest bidder for a certain, extremely important, exclusive use.
>     What public interest has been served here? Is there anyone to ask
>     this question? And I direct this question specifically to that
>     part of the civil society which the rest of the world would trust
>     should be asking the questions in the ICANN's context.
>
>     Any trademark authority would have rejected out of hand if Johnson
>     and Johnson had sought 'baby' as a trademark for itself. The
>     reasons are obvious. But those reasons do not mean anything to
>     ICANN, and perhaps neither to civil society groups associated with
>     ICANN.
>
>     But the trademark authorities are expressly public interest
>     bodies, under public authorities, which are in turn subject to
>     institutionalised public oversight and accountability.
>
>     ICANN on the other hand is a system captured by a group of people,
>     who have developed the perfect means and system to keep all those
>     close by and powerful happy in different ways - it uses the
>     euphemism 'stakeholders' for them.
>
>     Most of all, it keeps the big daddy, the US happy, by employing
>     various means to support its  reign over theglobalInternet - it
>     keeps a boisterous IG circuit in play that supports the status
>     quo, and drowns out every other voice. This has been done very
>     effectively till now. Btw, which technical governance mandate
>     ICANN was pursuing to propose and set up the World Economic Forum
>     based new Net Mundial Initiative, which is simply a way to divert
>     global demands for addressing pressing Internet related public
>     policy issues. This is done directly to appease US government's
>     political interest, which ICANN has no business to be doing.. And
>     then it keep the domain name industry happy and prospering, and
>     also other major industries.... This group of people, which goes
>     in the name of ICANN, does all this using the enormous funds that
>     it illegally collects as a tax from global public using the
>     Internet. This is where the money goes, and it produces conditions
>     for further extraction.
>
>     It is a sorry state.
>
>     parminder
>
>
>
>     On Thursday 18 December 2014 11:18 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>         How long that will continue/last will be a question to answer
>         in near
>         future.
>
>         Cheers!
>
>         sent from Google nexus 4
>         kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>         On 18 Dec 2014 02:02, "Carlton Samuels"
>         <carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>>
>         wrote:
>
>             The money pile grows...
>
>             -Carlton
>
>             ==============================
>             Carlton A Samuels
>             Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
>             *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>             =============================
>
>
>                [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert
>
>             https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-12-17-en
>             ------------------------------
>             Results Available for 17 December 2014 New gTLD Program
>             Auction
>
>             17 December 2014
>
>             On 17 December 2014, Power Auctions LLC
>             <http://www.powerauctions.com/>,
>             ICANN's authorized auction service provider, conducted a
>             New gTLD Program
>             Auction to resolve string contention for two new generic
>             top-level domain
>             (gTLD) strings: .BABY and .MLS. Applicants for these
>             strings were unable to
>             resolve contention among themselves; thus their contention
>             sets proceeded
>             to auction, which is the method of last resort to resolve
>             string contention
>             as prescribed in Module 4 of the New gTLD Program
>             Applicant Guidebook
>             <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb>. Subject to
>             payment of the
>             winning price and meeting all other criteria for
>             eligibility, the winner
>             will enter ICANN's contracting process to sign a Registry
>             Agreement to
>             operate the respective gTLD.
>
>             Six applicants participated in the auction for .BABY.
>             Johnson & Johnson
>             Services Inc. prevailed with a winning price of $3,088,888.
>
>             Two applicants participated in the auction for MLS. The
>             Canadian Real
>             Estate Association prevailed with a winning price of
>             $3,359,000.
>
>             All proceeds from the Auction are being segregated and
>             withheld from use
>             until ICANN's Board of Directors define a plan for an
>             appropriate use of
>             the funds through consultation with the community.
>             More Information
>
>                 - Auction Results webpage
>                 <
>             https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/auctionresults
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>                 :
>
>                 Auction reports on this page on the New gTLD Microsite
>             provide
>             additional
>                 information on bidding.
>                 - Auction proceeds and costs
>
>             <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions/proceeds>:
>             A detailed
>                 summary of the proceeds and costs of all auctions
>             conducted through
>                 November 2014. This information is updated at the end
>             of each month.
>                 - Auctions schedule
>                 <
>             http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions/schedule-12dec14-en.pdf>
>                 [PDF, 253 KB]: Subsequent auctions are scheduled to
>             occur on a monthly
>                 basis throughout 2014 and into early 2015. Auction
>             events are intended
>             to
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From fulvio.frati at unimi.it  Fri Dec 19 04:13:28 2014
From: fulvio.frati at unimi.it (Fulvio Frati)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:13:28 +0100
Subject: [governance] [Deadline Approaching: 10 Jan, 2015] 11th Intl. Conf.
 on Open Source Systems (OSS2015)
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[Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP]

 

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***************

11th Intl. Conf. on Open Source Systems (OSS2015)

co-located with the 2015 International Conference on Software Engineering
(ICSE2015)

 

Florence, Italy – 16-17 May 2015

http://www.oss2015.org 

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*** Theme: Open Frameworks: from Service to Cloud ***

 

Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) has had a disruptive effect on the
commercial software industry and the ways that organizations and individuals
create, distribute, acquire and use software and software-based services. In
addition to the many standalone FOSS projects, FOSS is at the heart of
modern network-based computing infrastructures and can be found in the vast
majority of applications that run in these environments. 

 

Many organizations that have been known for developing proprietary software
are now actively involved with FOSS. FOSS adoption continues to grow among
businesses, governments, and other organizations. FOSS remains important for
educators and researchers, as well as an important aspect of e-government
and information society initiatives, providing access to high-quality
software and the code used to create it. 

 

Also, FOSS has taken the lead in a number of crucial ICT domains, like Cloud
Computing, where open source cloud stacks are widely adopted, and Big Data,
where a wealth of FOSS solutions is now being built around Hadoop.

 

The 11th International Conference on Open Source Systems (OSS 2015) will
celebrate a decade of advances in the use of free and open source software
by emphasizing areas and topics that will drive future use over the next
decade. This will be achieved through a combination of high-quality research
papers, tutorials, workshops, demonstrations, and invited talks.  OSS2015
will be co-located with the 2015 International Conference on Software
Engineering as a way to cross-fertilize ideas. The theme for the 2015
edition will be "Open frameworks: from service to cloud", putting forward
the idea on how open source framework can develop the transition from
traditional IT services to cloud-based architectures.

 

A central goal of OSS 2015 is to provide an international forum where a
diverse community of professionals from academia, industry, the public
sector, and diverse FOSS initiatives can come together to share research
findings and practical experiences. The conference also aims to serve as a
meeting place where people can identify new research ideas and techniques
for putting FOSS into widespread use.  

 

OSS 2015 will include research papers, industry papers, formal tool
demonstrations, lightning talks, new ideas, experience reports, and posters.
OSS 2015 also invites proposals for tutorials and workshops, submissions to
the doctoral symposium, and submissions of panel proposals.

 

Accepted papers will be included in the conference proceedings, which are
published by Springer.

 

** Topics

 

We are seeking submissions across a broad range of topics, but are
particularly interested in those areas most likely to have an impact on
computing over the next decade, including computing infrastructure, data
management, and the Internet of Things. For practical experiences, we are
seeking submissions that describe FOSS applications in embedded systems
(IoT), health care, transportation, communications, and energy management.

 

Other topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following:

 

- FOSS technologies

 

    - FOSS in the cloud

    - FOSS for data management and analysis

    - Security of FOSS

    - Interoperability, portability, scalability of FOSS

    - Open standards, open data, open cloud, open hardware and open exhibits

    - FOSS in cloud-based applications

    - Architecture and design of FOSS

 

- Mobile and Embedded FOSS

 

    - Mobile Operating Systems

    - Open Source apps for mobile devices

    - Open Source app markets and software delivery platforms

    - Software metrics for Open Source mobile software

    - Energy efficiency in Mobile FOSS 

 

- FOSS Quality

 

    - Static and Dynamic FOSS testing

    - Formal FOSS verification

    - Detection of bad coding practices and adoption of coding conventions

    - OSS metrics: measuring FOSS performance, safety, and quality

    - FOSS performance

 

- FOSS Evaluation, adoption and use

 

    - Evaluation of FOSS software, including comparisons with proprietary
software, in industry and government

    - Use and acceptance of FOSS; organizational policies

    - The role of FOSS-oriented foundations

    - Dissemination, redistribution and crowdsourcing of FOSS systems

    - Expanding scientific research and technology development methods
through openness

    - Role of FOSS in ICT and sustainable development 

 

-FOSS practices and methods

 

    - New experiences with FOSS development tools and practices

    - Knowledge and documentation management in FOSS  

 

- Economic, organizational and social issues related to FOSS

 

    - Economic analysis of FOSS

    - Maturity models of FOSS

    - FOSS in public sector

    - FOSS intellectual property, copyrights and licensing

    - Non-Governmental Organizations and FOSS 

 

- FOSS and education

                - Teaching FOSS to people of all ages and backgrounds

                - Use of FOSS in education

                

-FOSS platforms and toolkits

                - FOSS Data processing and storage platforms

                - FOSS environments for cloud computing

                - FOSS business intelligence toolkits

                - FOSS business packages (CRM, ERP, HRM)

                - FOSS collaboration and communication environments

                

** Important Dates

 

- Paper Submission due: January 10, 2015

- Notification to Authors: February 14, 2015

- Camera ready due: February 28, 2015

 

** Authors Instructions

 

Papers submitted to OSS 2015 must not have been published elsewhere and must
not be under review or submitted for review elsewhere while under
consideration for OSS 2015.

 

All papers must conform, at time of submission, to the Springer Formatting
Guidelines (LNCS)
(http://www.springer.com/computer/lncs?SGWID=0-164-6-793341-0). You may
utilize the templates provided in our website. Submissions must be in PDF
format with a limit of 10 pages for each paper.

 

All submissions will be peer-reviewed double blinded, therefore please
remove any information that could give an indication of the authorship or
affiliations. Authors of accepted papers will be therefore be required to
sign a copyright transfer (as well as register for and attend the
conference).

 

When your paper is finished, submit it using EasyChair
(https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=oss2015) according to the
submission deadlines.

 

** Organizing Committee

 

* General Chair

- Ernesto Damiani, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Program Chairs

- Dirk Riehle, Friedrich-Alexander-University Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany

- Tony Wasserman, Carnegie Mellon University, USA

 

* Regional Publicity Chairs

- Moataz Ahmed, King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals, Saudi Arabia

- Scott Hissam, Software Engineering Institute, Carnegie Mellon University,
USA

- Karl Reed, La Trobe University, Australia

- Francesco Zavatarelli, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Organizing Chairs

- Fulvio Frati, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

- Nadia Fusar Poli, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Web Chair

- Fulvio Frati, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

* Program Committee

- Chintan Amrit, University of Twente, The Netherlands

- Luciano Baresi, DEIB – Politecnico di Milano, Italy

- Paolo Ciancarini, University of Bologna, Italy

- Francesco Di Cerbo, SAP Research Sophia-Antipolis, France

- Jonas Gamalielsson, University of Skovde, Sweden

- Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona, Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, Spain

- Imed Hammouda, Chalmers and University of Gothenburg, Sweden

- Abram Hindle, University of Alberta, Canada

- Netta Iivari, University of Oulu, Finland

- Stefan Koch, Bogazici University, Turkey

- Fabio Kon, University of São Paulo, Brasil

- Luigi Lavazza, Università degli Studi dell’Insubria, Italy

- Eda Marchetti, ISTI-CNR, Italy

- Audris Mockus, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, USA

- Sandro Morasca, Università degli Studi dell’Insubria, Italy

- John Noll, Lero – the Irish Software Engineering Research Centre, Ireland

- Mauro Pezzè, University of Lugano, Switzerland

- Stephane Ribas, INRIA, France

- Gregorio Robles, Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, Italy

- Steve Schmid, Open Technology Foundation, Australia

- Alberto Sillitti, Free University of Bozen/Bolzano, Italy

- Diomidis Spinellis, Athens University of Economics and Business, Greece

- Megan Squire, Elon University, USA

- Klaas-Jan Stol, Lero – University of Limerick, Ireland

- Giancarlo Succi, Free University of Bozen/Bolzano, Italy

- Davide Tosi, Università degli Studi dell’Insubria, Italy

- Aaron Visaggio, University of Sannio, Italy

- Stefano Zacchiroli, Université de Paris Diderot, France

 

 

 

 

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From tisrael at cippic.ca  Fri Dec 19 14:26:02 2014
From: tisrael at cippic.ca (Tamir Israel)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:26:02 -0500
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] TRADE impacts on Net Neutrality
In-Reply-To: <54928068.2090108@itforchange.net>
References: <CAK-FJAc4M2X4Sj8pXzKgouCHjfPjDbast+UDToADZKeCcE5oEA@mail.gmail.com> <54928068.2090108@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <54947BCA.6040105@cippic.ca>

Good points Parminder.

I think the paper points this out as well, and agree that the context
for these trade agreements is not ideal as an internet governance
mechanism.

Take the local storage restriction. If this was being discussed in a
/non-/trade context, the exceptions would be crafted to permit
restrictions that are designed to protect privacy, etc., but /forbid/
the ones that facilitate censorship, are directed at
anti-competitiveness, etc. We would also, presumably, have some actual
requirements to put in place legal protections for privacy as we do in
other regional instruments designed to facilitate cross-border flows. 
In a trade negotiation, though, where public input is not only muted but
actively avoided through secrecy measures, you get a national security
exception, broader IP protections and little else.

Definitely, where EU countries are involved, the privacy restrictions
are likely to be moderated, but that does not help for, say, the TPP.

Best,
Tamir


On 18/12/2014 2:21 AM, parminder wrote:
>
> This below is a very important development, and the analysis
> <https://data.awp.is/data/filtrala/15/analisis.cleaned.pdf> by Prof
> Kelsey and Dr Kilic is really really good.
>
> The upshot in my view is; the global Internet would finally be
> governed, has to be governed, like any other important social system.
> The real question that we face, especially in the context of these new
> revelations, is; whether
>
> (1) the Internet should be governed as a 'trade system', and among a
> few willing countries, which represent the most powerful countries
> plus those who are willing to partake of the fruits of cooptation, or
>
>
> (2)Â  it should be governed as a/unique new global infrastructure of
> communication, information, and social organizing/ (and thus of many a
> social system, including trade) in venues that are open to all
> countries of the world, more powerful or less, big or small.
>
> (Included in the above is the question whether the key value flow on
> the Internet, data, is to be considered in a framework of its
> multiferous enmeshment with many sectors of our society, or just as a
> commodity for trade, with some minor 'exceptions' admitted here and
> there.)
>
> One would think that for a civil society group the above is a simple
> choice to make. But unfortunately, most civil society actors in the IG
> space have focussed on narrow specific issues missing this larger
> framework, and thus missing the wood for the tree. Willy nilly, in my
> view, it amounts to complicity with option 1 above .
>
> Kelsey and Kilc's analysis begins with a very pertinent listing of US'
> objectives. While all three listed objectives are instructive, I
> especially quote no 3
>
> "prevent or restrict government regulation that impedes the activities
> and profits of the major global services industries, and guarantees
> unrestricted cross-border data flows, which impacts on consumer
> protections, privacy laws, regulatory constraints and competition policy."
>
> How effective the US strategy has been on this count is obvious... It
> has kept the IG world embroiled in the multistakehoder versus
> multilateral debate as it goes ahead building the global architecture
> of IG and of the Internet through its secret agreements like the TISA.
> When the pressure becomes too much, like post Snowden, it throws a
> NTIA transition ball for kids to play with, which is both the not most
> important global IG issues, and even in its best possible outcome does
> not really change much. But quite good to divert people' thinking and
> energy for a year or two. And if one asks, but what about non-tech
> issues, it comes up with the WEF based NetMundial Initiative, and gets
> enthusiastic civil society backers - though anyone will ask the
> question, how the US push to prevent public interest governance of the
> Internet for the sake of protecting its big business interests (see
> the quote above) is addressed by new forums where those very big
> business interests will now direct participate in public policy
> development. But then...
>
> parminder 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday 17 December 2014 09:17 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote:
>> press release from PC (our dear Burcu) and also a briefing
>> distributed today by other groups going deeper on the issues
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Melinda St. Louis* <mstlouis at citizen.org
>> <mailto:mstlouis at citizen.org>>
>> Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM
>> Subject: [tpp-allies] PC Press Release: Obama "trade" text leak: net
>> neutrality, data privacy implicated
>> To: tpp-allies <tpp-allies at listserver.citizen.org
>> <mailto:tpp-allies at listserver.citizen.org>>
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> http://www.citizen.org/documents/press-release-net-neutrality-leak.pdf
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> _For Immediate Release_:
>>
>> 	
>>
>> _Contact_:
>>
>> 	
>>
>> Angela Bradbery (202) 588-7741 <tel:%28202%29%20588-7741>,
>> abradbery at citizen.org <mailto:abradbery at citizen.org>
>>
>> Dec. 17, 2014
>>
>> 	
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> 	
>>
>> Symone Sanders (202) 454-5108 <tel:%28202%29%20454-5108>,
>> ssanders at citizen.org <mailto:ssanders at citizen.org>
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> *Leak of Obama Administration Trade Pact Proposal Reveals
>> Negotiations Affecting Net Neutrality, Limits on Data Privacy
>> Protections*//
>>
>> */U.S. Internet Governance Policy Should not be Designed in
>> Closed-Door, Industry-Influenced Negotiations of U.S. Trade in
>> Services Agreement /*
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> WASHINGTON, D.C. â?? While a domestic debate about net neutrality
>> rages and public demands for better data privacy protections grow, a
>> U.S. trade pact proposal leaked today reveals that issues related to
>> both policies are being negotiated in closed-door trade talks to
>> which corporate trade advisors have special access, said Public Citizen.
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> The leaked text is the U.S. proposal for language relating to
>> e-commerce and Internet issues in a proposed**Trade in Services
>> Agreement (TISA), which is now being negotiated between a 50-country
>> subset of  World Trade Organization members. The pact would require
>> signatory countries to ensure conformity of their laws, regulations
>> and administrative procedures with the provisions of the TISA;
>> failure to do so could subject a country to trade sanctions.
>> Negotiators are pushing to complete and implement the pact next year.
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> â??This leak reveals a dangerous trend where policies unrelated to
>> trade are being diplomatically legislated through closed-door
>> international â??tradeâ?? negotiations to which industry interests
>> have privileged access while the public and policy experts promoting
>> consumer interests are shut out,â?? said Lori Wallach, director of
>> Public Citizenâ??s Global Trade Watch. â??Given the raging domestic
>> debate over net neutrality, the growing demands for more data privacy
>> and the constantly changing technology, a pact negotiated in secret
>> that is not subject to changes absent consensus of all signatories
>> seems like a very bad place to be setting U.S. Internet governance
>> policies.â??
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> Added Burcu Kilic, a lawyer with Public Citizen, â??The Internet
>> belongs to its users. Anyone who cares about an open and free
>> Internet should be concerned that U.S. trade negotiators are seeking
>> to lock in international rules about how the Internet functions, and
>> are doing so in a closed-door process that is not subject to the
>> input of  Internet users. Negotiating rules internationally, behind
>> closed doors, while the domestic discussion is ongoing not only makes
>> an end-run around the domestic process, but excludes the perspectives
>> and expertise needed to make good policy.â??
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> With respect to privacy protections, the leaked text reveals that the
>> U.S. negotiators are pushing for new corporate rights for
>> unrestricted cross-border data flows and prohibitions on requirements
>> to hold and process data locally, thus removing governmentsâ??
>> ability to ensure that private and sensitive personal data is stored
>> and processed only in jurisdictions that ensure privacy.
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> Such measures are considered critical to ensuring that medical,
>> financial and other data provided protection by U.S. law are not made
>> public when sent offshore for processing and storage, with no legal
>> recourse for affected individuals. Numerous U.S. organizations are
>> pushing for improvements in such policies, which are considerably
>> stronger in other countries. If the proposed TISA terms on free data
>> movement were to become binding on the United States, such needed
>> progress would be foreclosed.
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> For a more detailed analysis of the leaked text and its implications
>> for net neutrality and data privacy, please see this memo
>> <https://data.awp.is/filtrala/2014/12/17/19.html> co-written by
>> Professor Jane Kelsey, University of Auckland School of Law, and
>> Kilic of Public Citizen.
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> ###
>>
>> Â 
>>
>> *Symone D. Sanders *
>>
>> *Communications Officer | Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch*
>>
>> 215 Pennsylvania Ave SE, Washington, DC 20003
>>
>> Office: 202.454.5108 <tel:202.454.5108> | Cell: 402-671-8118
>> <tel:402-671-8118>
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>>
>> Website: www.tradewatch.org <http://www.tradewatch.org/>
>>
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>>
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 01:45:45 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:45:45 +0200
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] ] Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying to
 break DNS, the backbone of the internet
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The MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) appears intent on using US legal processes to attack the DNS system.

M
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[Note:  This item comes from friend Steve Schear.  DLH]

Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying to break DNS, the backbone of the internet
A leaked legal memo reveals a plan for blacklisting pirate sites at the ISP level
By Russell Brandom
Dec 16 2014
<http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7401769/the-mpaa-wants-to-strike-at-dns-records-piracy-sopa-leaked-documents>

Most anti-piracy tools take one of two paths: they either target the server that's sharing the files (pulling videos off YouTube or taking down sites like The Pirate Bay) or they make it harder to find (delisting offshore sites that share infringing content). But leaked documents reveal a frightening line of attack that's currently being considered by the MPAA: What if you simply erased any record that the site was there in the first place?

To do that, the MPAA's lawyers would target the Domain Name System (DNS) that directs traffic across the internet. The tactic was first proposed as part of the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in 2011, but three years after the law failed in Congress, the MPAA has been looking for legal justification for the practice in existing law and working with ISPs like Comcast to examine how a system might work technically. If the system works, DNS-blocking could be the key to the MPAA's long-standing goal of blocking sites from delivering content to the US. At the same time, it represents a bold challenge to the basic engineering of the internet, threatening to break the very backbone of the web and drawing the industry into an increasingly nasty fight with Google.

The Domain Name System is a kind of phone book for the internet, translating URLs like http://www.theverge.com into IP addresses like 192.5.151.3. Given a URL string, your computer will turn to a DNS server (often run by a local ISP or a third party like Google) to find the IP address of the corresponding server. Much like the phone book, that function is usually treated as a simple an engineering task — but a memo commissioned by the MPAA this August sketches out a legal case for blocking infringing sites from the DNS records entirely, like wiping unsavory addresses out of the phone book. You could still type http://www.piratebay.se into your browser, but without a working DNS record, you wouldn't be able to find the site itself. If a takedown notice could blacklist a site from every available DNS provider, the URL would be effectively erased from the internet.

Without a friendly DNS provider, the URL would be effectively erased from the internet

No one's ever tried to issue a takedown notice like that, but this latest memo suggests the MPAA is looking into it as a potentially powerful new tool in the fight against piracy. "A takedown notice program, therefore, could threaten ISPs with potential secondary liability in the event that they do not cease connecting users to known infringing material through their own DNS servers," the letter reads. "While not making it impossible for users to reach pirate sites (i.e., a user could still use a third-party DNS server), it could make it substantially more complicated for casual infringers to reach pirate sites if their ISPs decline to assist in the routing of communications to those sites." The full document is embedded below.

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From bzs at world.std.com  Sat Dec 20 13:27:44 2014
From: bzs at world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:27:44 -0500
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] ] Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying
 to break DNS, the backbone of the internet
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Digital media companies need a better plan than trying to outlaw
cassette tapes or whatever is their current obsession.

It hasn't worked in the past.

There's also a certain disingenuousness involved in the supposed
motivation.

For example if I buy a DVD and watch it with a friend have I cut their
royalties in half? How about two friends? Three friends? Three friends
loses them 75% of their potential royalties versus each of us having
to purchase our own copy.

They need to come up with realistic business models rather than trying
to shore up their old business models with billions of dollars in free
law enforcement subsidies.

There's no (or little) argument that large-scale infringement is
criminal and also subject to civil penalty. If their argument is that
it's not worth their while to pursue every infringer then why is it
worth our while?

Put another way, let us counter-propose that any such court order
should cost them US$1M per each. Surely if they can't rationalize $1M
in harm from a site then why should we spend probably $1M taking it
down? We can quibble the exact price but it should be some similar
number.

There is a myth that law enforcement should be freely dispensed based
only on the strength and emotional attraction of the moral
argument. It is a huge source of corporate welfare burdened by
taxpayers and any social goods the money might better be spent on.

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From bortzmeyer at internatif.org  Sun Dec 21 12:31:02 2014
From: bortzmeyer at internatif.org (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:31:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] Re: FW: [IP] ] Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying
 to  break DNS, the backbone of the internet
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On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 08:45:45AM +0200,
 michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote 
 a message of 288 lines which said:

> The MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) appears intent on
> using US legal processes to attack the DNS system.

It is a bit strange that TheVerge article did not mention that
censorship via DNS mangling is already common in many countries, for
several years. 

France
<https://www.laquadrature.net/files/20110728-LQDN-Online_Gambling_EU_Consultation.pdf>

Belgium
<http://news.techworld.com/networking/3309047/pirate-bay-encourages-filesharers-to-dodge-belgium-block/>

Turkey <http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/21/5532522/turkey-twitter-ban-google-dns-workaround>

A technical analysis of DNS filtering
<http://www.afnic.fr/en/about-afnic/news/general-news/6584/show/the-afnic-scientific-council-shares-its-report-on-dns-based-internet-filtering.html>

Apparently, the White House already said no to DNS mangling 
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/01/14/obama-administration-responds-we-people-petitions-sopa-and-online-piracy>

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From vanda at uol.com.br  Tue Dec 23 23:01:51 2014
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:01:51 -0500
Subject: [governance] Season Greetings!!
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Great 2015  to all of you and nice and joyful holidays!!
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 05:36:11 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:36:11 -0400
Subject: [governance] Season Greetings!!
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Dear Vanda,
I woke up this morning thinking that I hadn't seen a message from you and
hoping that nothing was wrong. And there the message was.
Let me join you in your greeting.
Let's wish ourselves and each other a peaceful and productive 2015.
Hugs
Deirdre

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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 08:41:29 2014
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Subject: [governance] Season Greetings!!
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Dear Vanda,
    Same to you and stay blessed.

Peter
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From isolatedn at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 10:03:02 2014
From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:33:02 +0530
Subject: [governance] A loud move to blatantly violate NETNeutrality
 principles
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http://www.gsmarena.com/bharti_airtel_to_charge_for_voip_calls_over_2g_and_3g_in_india-news-10574.php


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From jaryn56 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 10:13:32 2014
From: jaryn56 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgRsOpbGl4IEFyaWFzIFluY2hl?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:13:32 -0500
Subject: [governance] Felicidades
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A toda la comunidad...mis felicidades por navidad y un venturoso año
nuevo... espero que todos la pasen bien y en compañía de sus
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From isolatedn at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 13:18:55 2014
From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 23:48:55 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: A loud move to blatantly violate NETNeutrality
 principles
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Thank you Seun. The larger concern is that the telecoms are capturing Web
Applications, one after another. Regulators are also prone to ask for
surveillance deals as part of a scheme like this.

Sivasubramanian M

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Beyond  net-neutrality the level of packet filtering/inspection that would
> be required to effectively implement the policy is another point of concern.
> In all these, one would wonder the role of national regulators as this is
> beyond a normal business strategy which I expect should violate certain
> operations rules put in place by regulators. Airtel is a major mobile
> carrier in my region (Africa) and it will be a thing to watch-out for in my
> region as well.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Regards
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 24 Dec 2014 16:03, "Sivasubramanian M" <isolatedn at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','isolatedn at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Wed Dec 24 13:21:37 2014
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:21:37 +0000
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of
 its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community
 Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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FYI and happy holidays!


Lee

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From ymshana2003 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 14:47:10 2014
From: ymshana2003 at gmail.com (ymshana2003)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:47:10 +0200
Subject: [governance] A loud move to blatantly violate NETNeutrality
 principles
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The time for this was coming..

The Cash Cow has moved on.
Time to look for another one like Mpesa and other services. ? 

Otherwise the Comms Regulartory Authority in the country should use the ICT Policy to advice the mobile telephony companies accordingly..

Seasons Greetings

Yassin


Sent from Samsung Mobile

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Subject: [governance] A loud move to blatantly violate NETNeutrality principles 



http://www.gsmarena.com/bharti_airtel_to_charge_for_voip_calls_over_2g_and_3g_in_india-news-10574.php


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From jlfullsack at orange.fr  Thu Dec 25 03:43:25 2014
From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 09:43:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] Felicidades
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Muchas gracias, Jose

el mismo para ti !

 

amistosamente

 

Jean-Louis Fullsack

Chaire Unesco

Université de Strasbourg

France

 

 

 

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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Fri Dec 26 01:00:22 2014
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Subject: [governance] Season Greetings!!
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From pouzin at well.com  Fri Dec 26 05:34:43 2014
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:34:43 +0100
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [IP] NETmundial Initiative
 Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad
 Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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Superb NMI gibberish.
A perfect collection of usual suspects.
Thanks Dave, and interesting expectations for 2015.
Louis.
- - -

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> Phase | NETmundial
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> https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/netmundial-initiative-announces-formation-its-inaugural-coordination-council-and
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec 26 06:14:09 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:44:09 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [IP] NETmundial Initiative
 Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad
 Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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I feel and share your acute disappointment Louis.

But I think there is more to it than the usual here. The US based 
'Internet power' establishment has made a (somewhat) genuine and perhaps 
successful cooptation, of the global elite, into a new power structure. 
Although it is too early to tell whether and how much will it succeed, 
but this new one with its 'apparent global nature' would be that much 
more difficult to directly target, much less beat. US is trying to shift 
attention away from the getting-too-hot-to-bear fact that it is just too 
powerful and too much at the centre of the Internet power system. (  
WSIS plus 10 is around the corner and one never knows what people/ 
countries may do given half a toehold, and this is the formal review of 
WSIS !!!) This is that attempt to shift attention by co-opting the 
//cr//è//me/ de la cr//è//me/ of the global elite. Yes, in fact it even 
may means some degree (very slight) of genuine giving away of power; but 
giving away to whom - an elite group chosen for their power in their 
respective spheres, and the interests represented by them. And well of 
course, the World Economic Forum is the perfect backdrop and stage, and 
also the perfect symbol, of such an unholy alliance of the powerful and 
the coopted.

With the emergence of this new configuration of Internet power, the 
dispossessed and the marginalised of the world took a hit today. They, 
and those who purport to work in their interest, will need to rethink 
and restrategise....

There will be work to do in 2015 :)

Wishing everyone a great 2015, and those taking a holiday, do take a 
good rest (but dont rest your convictions :), we will need all your 
energies in 2015)

parminder

On Friday 26 December 2014 04:04 PM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote:
> Superb NMI gibberish.
> A perfect collection of usual suspects.
> Thanks Dave, and interesting expectations for 2015.
> Louis.
> - - -
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu 
> <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>> wrote:
>
>     *From:* Dave Farber via ip <ip at listbox.com <mailto:ip at listbox.com>>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM
>     *To:* ip
>     *Subject:* [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its
>     Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community
>     Consultation Phase | NETmundial
>
>     https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/netmundial-initiative-announces-formation-its-inaugural-coordination-council-and
>
>
>     	
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From suresh at hserus.net  Fri Dec 26 07:58:22 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:28:22 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [IP] Re NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation
 of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community
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Why do you conflate icann with the usa, parminder?


On December 26, 2014 6:26:38 PM "Dave Farber via ip" <ip at listbox.com> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *parminder* <parminder at itforchange.net>
> Date: Friday, December 26, 2014
> Subject: NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its Inaugural
> Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community Consultation Phase |
> NETmundial
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Louis Pouzin (well)" <pouzin at well.com>,
> Dave Farber <farber at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>
>
>  I feel and share your acute disappointment Louis.
>
> But I think there is more to it than the usual here. The US based 'Internet
> power' establishment has made a (somewhat) genuine and perhaps successful
> cooptation, of the global elite, into a new power structure. Although it is
> too early to tell whether and how much will it succeed, but this new one
> with its 'apparent global nature' would be that much more difficult to
> directly target, much less beat. US is trying to shift attention away from
> the getting-too-hot-to-bear fact that it is just too powerful and too much
> at the centre of the Internet power system. (  WSIS plus 10 is around the
> corner and one never knows what people/ countries may do given half a
> toehold, and this is the formal review of WSIS !!!) This is that attempt to
> shift attention by co-opting the *crème de la cr**è** me* of the global
> elite. Yes, in fact it even may means some degree (very slight) of genuine
> giving away of power; but giving away to whom - an elite group chosen for
> their power in their respective spheres, and the interests represented by
> them. And well of course, the World Economic Forum is the perfect backdrop
> and stage, and also the perfect symbol, of such an unholy alliance of the
> powerful and the coopted.
>
> With the emergence of this new configuration of Internet power, the
> dispossessed and the marginalised of the world took a hit today. They, and
> those who purport to work in their interest, will need to rethink and
> restrategise....
>
> There will be work to do in 2015 :)
>
> Wishing everyone a great 2015, and those taking a holiday, do take a good
> rest (but dont rest your convictions :), we will need all your energies in
> 2015)
>
> parminder
>
>  On Friday 26 December 2014 04:04 PM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote:
>
>  Superb NMI gibberish.
>  A perfect collection of usual suspects.
>  Thanks Dave, and interesting expectations for 2015.
> Louis.
>  - - -
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lmcknigh at syr.edu');>> wrote:
>
> >  *From:* Dave Farber via ip <ip at listbox.com
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ip at listbox.com');>>
> >  *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM
> > *To:* ip
> > *Subject:* [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its
> > Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community Consultation
> > Phase | NETmundial
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/netmundial-initiative-announces-formation-its-inaugural-coordination-council-and
> >
> >
> >
>
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From iza at anr.org  Fri Dec 26 19:16:13 2014
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:16:13 +0900
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [IP] NETmundial Initiative
 Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad
 Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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I see at least two names from China as very interesting or significant:
Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of Alibaba, both were central figures at the
World Internet Conference held in Wuzhen, China last month. Their
participation in this Multistakeholder venture is a good sign.

I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively engage and advance our
core values.

Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements that are troublesome,
but I like to remain constructive, critical, but more positive.

And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!

Izumi
 2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <lmcknigh at syr.edu>:

>  FYI and happy holidays!
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From ymshana2003 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 05:19:07 2014
From: ymshana2003 at gmail.com (ymshana2003)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:19:07 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [IP] NETmundial Initiative
 Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad
 Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
Message-ID: <7jo27mllf4cxc0dp71uur3n8.1419675547545@email.android.com>

True....the same same faces and fixers.?


Sent from Samsung Mobile

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From: "Louis Pouzin (well)" <pouzin at well.com> 
Date:26/12/2014  12:34  (GMT+02:00) 
To: Dave Farber <farber at gmail.com> 
Cc: "<governance at lists.igcaucus.org>" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,"Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> 
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial 

Superb NMI gibberish.
A perfect collection of usual suspects.
Thanks Dave, and interesting expectations for 2015.
Louis.
- - -

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From: Dave Farber via ip <ip at listbox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
 
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From pouzin at well.com  Sat Dec 27 05:54:02 2014
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:54:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [IP] NETmundial Initiative
 Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad
 Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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Yep, status quo, stat US quo ...
- - -

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:19 AM, ymshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> True....the same same faces and fixers.?
>
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From kichango at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 10:39:19 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:39:19 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: URGENT: Call for candidates to IGC
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I am confirming that we have received nominations for three candidates as
follows:

- Analia Aspis
- Arsene Tungali
- Kawsar Uddin

If there were other candidates left out from the above list, please let me
know. I'll directly get in touch shortly with the candidates in order to
prepare the poll which will be open sometime early January.

Thanks,

Mawaki



On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello there,
>
> This is a gentle reminder to let you know for those who are interested in
> running for the available position of IGC co-coordinator that you have
> until this coming Friday, 19 December midnight UTC, to nominate (with the
> acceptance of the nominee) or self-nominate.
>
> So far, I have received nominations of or from:
>
> - Analia Aspis
> - Arsene Tungali
> - Kawsar Uddin
>
> Please let me know if I have forgotten someone. For those still on the
> fence (such as Vincent Solomon, Akinremi Peter Taiwo or Kwasi
> Boakye-Akyeampong to mention but those who did explicitly show some
> interest), I only have one proverbial phrase for you: If I can do it, you
> can do it too! So please let me know if you have made up your mind in favor
> of a run.
>
> Please find below a recall of instructions I posted earlier for the
> candidates. Please make sure you send your candidacy materials to me.
>
> Self-nomination: You do not have to forward it here on the list. You can
> send it to me directly or to Deirdre: williams (dot) deirdre (at) gmail
> (dot) com
>
> Third-party nomination: Please make sure your prospective nominee accept
> your nomination and then you can forward us his or her name as above.
> Alternatively, you can make public nomination on the list inviting your
> prospective nominee to respond by accepting or declining. Another variant
> of the same is that you send us a private email with your prospective
> nominee cc'ed on it, asking him or her to accept or decline in a reply to
> all, etc.
>
> In any event, all nominees who will have accepted their nomination will be
> asked to provide the following information directly to me at kichango (at)
> gmail (dot) com (NOT to this list), which will then be uploaded and made
> public on the Caucus website by the time the poll starts.
>
> 1) Name
> 2) Country you affiliate yourself with (nationality or residence)
> 3) Organizational/Network affiliations in the context of CS/Academia or in
> the context of ICTs
> 4) Disclosure of Conflict of Interest, if any.
> 5) Short Biography (you may also provide a link to your personal website
> or your Linkedin page if you have one.)
> 6) Why you think you would make a good co-coordinator for the IGC
> 7) Vision for the IGC
> 8) A picture of you (no more than 50 Kb headshot).
>
> We would be grateful if you can keep your text in 300 words or less.
> As I said previously, we hope to receive all nominations by 19th December,
> midnight UTC
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mawaki
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Now that the excitement of the new MAG is over it's time for us at the
>> IGC to have our own election. We need to elect a second Co-coordinator. The
>> results of the elections for new Co-coordinators a year ago gave Mawaki a
>> one year term. As he already suggested at several occasions including
>> during the election last year, he is not in position to serve two more
>> years. In other words, Mawaki does not intend to stand again.
>>
>> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with
>> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as
>> a co-coordinator to serve from 2015-2017.
>>
>> Nominations will be open until 19th December, midnight UTC.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mawaki Chango
>> Deirdre Williams
>> IGC Co-coordinators
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From isolatedn at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 09:17:01 2014
From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:47:01 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [] NETmundial Initiative Announces
 Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global
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Dear Parminder,


On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 9:48 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
wrote:

>
> To my understanding,  for most of those who now support the NMI, the case
> against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence of Chinas and
> Irans over there
>

When did any one say that [States such as } China or Iran ​should not be
involved in UN or have a presence in IG?
​


> - how can we trust our Internet to such authoritarian governments?!  It is
> a bit strange to see a special happiness being expressed when the same
> actors now join the NMI. What is one missing here?
>

​NETmundial Initiative is open for global participation, brings
stakeholders from every country to the table, no exceptions. Actually there
is nothing "missing" here.


>
> The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet -
> politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly interested in
> more and better (as in more democratic) global governance of the Internet.
> It can do with forums to make deals and adjustments, and that is about all.
> That is China's attraction for the NMI, and here is where its interests
> partially overlap with  those of the US, whose whole effort is to block any
> move whatsoever towards
> ​g​
> ​
> ​
> ​
> lobally democratic governance of the Internet. What we therefore see is a
> move that is in the interest of all those who already have the most power
> in terms of the global Internet, they have a forum to negotiate their
> narrow interests.  And all those currently dis-empowered lose out and are
> worse off. (Apart from some crumbs throwing business.)
>
> In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and the
> 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself.
>

​This is an inaugural coordination council. If my assumption is right, it
might take shape further.
​


> Worse, it pushes countries towards a model of global governance where the
> way to go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive deals and
> negotiating narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of the global public
> interest
>

​That is not fair as a comment. Even before an initiative is given shape,
you are starting with a harsh assumption about how it will work. How about
starting with an assumption that the NETmundial Initiative is ALL about
Global Public Interest?​



> (ok, I can hear sniggers, which is precisely the problem), which is what a
> UN kind of global governance system is under-pinned by. It distorts the
> very political thinking and philosophy that needs to form the basis of our
> shared global living. Big loss, really.
>

​It is a great step forward. Whoever initiated NETmundial merits an
applause instead of all this unfair criticism.

Sivasubramanian M​






>
> parminder
>
>
> On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>
> Good point.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:
>
> I see at least two names from China as very interesting or significant:
> Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of Alibaba, both were central figures at the
> World Internet Conference held in Wuzhen, China last month. Their
> participation in this Multistakeholder venture is a good sign.
>
> I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively engage and advance our
> core values.
>
> Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements that are troublesome,
> but I like to remain constructive, critical, but more positive.
>
> And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!
>
> Izumi
>  2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <lmcknigh at syr.edu>:
>
>>  FYI and happy holidays!
>>
>>
>>  Lee
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Dave Farber via ip <ip at listbox.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM
>> *To:* ip
>> *Subject:* [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its
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>> Phase | NETmundial
>>
>>
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From bzs at world.std.com  Sun Dec 28 13:59:12 2014
From: bzs at world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:59:12 -0500
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China may have a lot of domestic control over their portion of the
internet but they still need to deal with the rest of the world. That
includes trade as one major example.

Granted so long as China is primarily a manufacturer rather than a
retailer many of these global trade internet governance issues don't
directly concern them (one can always quibble that sort of point with
a contagion model.) So long as someone can sell China's goods the
orders will keep coming.

As the Chinese become wealthier the aspect of Chinese as internet
trade consumers will grow. I suppose if that's a problem for the
Chinese govt they could if they wanted control this.

It's not so simple.

But point taken vis a vis criticisms of the UN vs how the same might
apply to NMI.

On December 28, 2014 at 09:48 parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) wrote:
 > 
 > To my understanding,  for most of those who now support the NMI, the 
 > case against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence of 
 > Chinas and Irans over there - how can we trust our Internet to such 
 > authoritarian governments?!  It is a bit strange to see a special 
 > happiness being expressed when the same actors now join the NMI. What is 
 > one missing here?
 > 
 > The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet - 
 > politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly interested 
 > in more and better (as in more democratic) global governance of the 
 > Internet. It can do with forums to make deals and adjustments, and that 
 > is about all. That is China's attraction for the NMI, and here is where 
 > its interests partially overlap with those of the US, whose whole effort 
 > is to block any move whatsoever towards globally democratic governance 
 > of the Internet. What we therefore see is a move that is in the interest 
 > of all those who already have the most power in terms of the global 
 > Internet, they have a forum to negotiate their narrow interests.  And 
 > all those currently dis-empowered lose out and are worse off. (Apart 
 > from some crumbs throwing business.)
 > 
 > In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and the 
 > 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself. Worse, it 
 > pushes countries towards a model of global governance where the way to 
 > go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive deals and negotiating 
 > narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of the global public interest 
 > (ok, I can hear sniggers, which is precisely the problem), which is what 
 > a UN kind of global governance system is under-pinned by. It distorts 
 > the very political thinking and philosophy that needs to form the basis 
 > of our shared global living. Big loss, really.
 > 
 > parminder
 > 
 > 
 > On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
 > >
 > > Good point.
 > >
 > > avri
 > >
 > >
 > > On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:
 > >>
 > >> I see at least two names from China as very interesting or 
 > >> significant: Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of Alibaba, both were 
 > >> central figures at the World Internet Conference held in Wuzhen, 
 > >> China last month. Their participation in this Multistakeholder 
 > >> venture is a good sign.
 > >>
 > >> I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively engage and advance 
 > >> our core values.
 > >>
 > >> Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements that are 
 > >> troublesome, but I like to remain constructive, critical, but more 
 > >> positive.
 > >>
 > >> And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!
 > >>
 > >> Izumi
 > >>
 > >> 2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <lmcknigh at syr.edu 
 > >> <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>>:
 > >>
 > >>     FYI and happy holidays!
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>     Lee
 > >>
 > >>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > >>     *From:* Dave Farber via ip <ip at listbox.com <mailto:ip at listbox.com>>
 > >>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM
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 > >>     Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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 >     <br>
 >     To my understanding,  for most of those who now support the NMI, the
 >     case against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence
 >     of Chinas and Irans over there - how can we trust our Internet to
 >     such authoritarian governments?!  It is a bit strange to see a
 >     special happiness being expressed when the same actors now join the
 >     NMI. What is one missing here?<br>
 >     <br>
 >     The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet -
 >     politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly
 >     interested in more and better (as in more democratic) global
 >     governance of the Internet. It can do with forums to make deals and
 >     adjustments, and that is about all. That is China's attraction for
 >     the NMI, and here is where its interests partially overlap with 
 >     those of the US, whose whole effort is to block any move whatsoever
 >     towards globally democratic governance of the Internet. What we
 >     therefore see is a move that is in the interest of all those who
 >     already have the most power in terms of the global Internet, they
 >     have a forum to negotiate their narrow interests.  And all those
 >     currently dis-empowered lose out and are worse off. (Apart from some
 >     crumbs throwing business.)<br>
 >     <br>
 >     In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and
 >     the 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself.
 >     Worse, it pushes countries towards a model of global governance
 >     where the way to go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive
 >     deals and negotiating narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of
 >     the global public interest (ok, I can hear sniggers, which is
 >     precisely the problem), which is what a UN kind of global governance
 >     system is under-pinned by. It distorts the very political thinking
 >     and philosophy that needs to form the basis of our shared global
 >     living. Big loss, really. <br>
 >     <br>
 >     parminder <br>
 >     <br>
 >     <br>
 >     <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM,
 >       Avri Doria wrote:<br>
 >     </div>
 >     <blockquote cite="mid:549EE9F1.4090909 at acm.org" type="cite">
 >       <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
 >       <br>
 >       Good point.<br>
 >       <br>
 >       avri<br>
 >       <br>
 >       <br>
 >       <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:<br>
 >       </div>
 >       <blockquote
 > cite="mid:CA+YNoKib5Nda9mAzeubZ-oKYkMxP=bwxnGH=B2Yvkn3bx9dHSw at mail.gmail.com"
 >         type="cite">
 >         <meta http-equiv="Context-Type" content="text/html; ">
 >         <p dir="ltr">I see at least two names from China as very
 >           interesting or significant: Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of
 >           Alibaba, both were central figures at the World Internet
 >           Conference held in Wuzhen, China last month. Their
 >           participation in this Multistakeholder venture is a good sign.</p>
 >         <p dir="ltr">I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively
 >           engage and advance our core values.</p>
 >         <p dir="ltr">Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements
 >           that are troublesome, but I like to remain constructive,
 >           critical, but more positive.</p>
 >         <p dir="ltr">And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!</p>
 >         <p dir="ltr">Izumi<br>
 >         </p>
 >         <div class="gmail_quote">2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" &lt;<a
 >             moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu">lmcknigh at syr.edu</a>&gt;:<br
 >             type="attribution">
 >           <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
 >             <div>
 >               <div>
 >                 <p>FYI and happy holidays!</p>
 >                 <p><br>
 >                 </p>
 >                 <p>Lee<br>
 >                 </p>
 >                 <div>
 >                   <hr>
 >                   <div dir="ltr"><b>From:</b> Dave Farber via ip &lt;<a
 >                       moz-do-not-send="true"
 >                       href="mailto:ip at listbox.com" target="_blank">ip at listbox.com</a>&gt;<br>
 >                     <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM<br>
 >                     <b>To:</b> ip<br>
 >                     <b>Subject:</b> [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces
 >                     Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and
 >                     a Broad Global Community Consultation Phase |
 >                     NETmundial
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Sat Dec 27 23:18:53 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 09:48:53 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [] NETmundial Initiative Announces
 Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global
 Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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To my understanding,  for most of those who now support the NMI, the 
case against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence of 
Chinas and Irans over there - how can we trust our Internet to such 
authoritarian governments?!  It is a bit strange to see a special 
happiness being expressed when the same actors now join the NMI. What is 
one missing here?

The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet - 
politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly interested 
in more and better (as in more democratic) global governance of the 
Internet. It can do with forums to make deals and adjustments, and that 
is about all. That is China's attraction for the NMI, and here is where 
its interests partially overlap with those of the US, whose whole effort 
is to block any move whatsoever towards globally democratic governance 
of the Internet. What we therefore see is a move that is in the interest 
of all those who already have the most power in terms of the global 
Internet, they have a forum to negotiate their narrow interests.  And 
all those currently dis-empowered lose out and are worse off. (Apart 
from some crumbs throwing business.)

In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and the 
'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself. Worse, it 
pushes countries towards a model of global governance where the way to 
go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive deals and negotiating 
narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of the global public interest 
(ok, I can hear sniggers, which is precisely the problem), which is what 
a UN kind of global governance system is under-pinned by. It distorts 
the very political thinking and philosophy that needs to form the basis 
of our shared global living. Big loss, really.

parminder


On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> Good point.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:
>>
>> I see at least two names from China as very interesting or 
>> significant: Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of Alibaba, both were 
>> central figures at the World Internet Conference held in Wuzhen, 
>> China last month. Their participation in this Multistakeholder 
>> venture is a good sign.
>>
>> I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively engage and advance 
>> our core values.
>>
>> Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements that are 
>> troublesome, but I like to remain constructive, critical, but more 
>> positive.
>>
>> And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!
>>
>> Izumi
>>
>> 2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <lmcknigh at syr.edu 
>> <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>>:
>>
>>     FYI and happy holidays!
>>
>>
>>     Lee
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Sun Dec 28 15:58:08 2014
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From ymshana2003 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 15:04:28 2014
From: ymshana2003 at gmail.com (ymshana2003)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:04:28 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [] NETmundial Initiative
 Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad
 Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial
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Democracy in the governance of the Internet. ..?
STEP ONE: There has to be an Agreed Framework ...is there any yet? 

WHY is it so?... It seems that there are many and conflicting ideas already which are led by different interest groups such as the Civil Society, Self - selected groups of individuals,  some Governments through the UN System, Technical organisations, the ICANN structure itself and more to come as the Internet-based economies develop.

Sustainability of any changes to current status will depend on the Agreed Framework and NOT by putting pressure through the attempt to democratise its governance. Abive all the negotiation for this process need to be through transparent actions. ..

New Year Wishes. ..

Yassin



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From: Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com> 
Date:28/12/2014  20:59  (GMT+02:00) 
To: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> 
Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net,governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: [] NETmundial Initiative Announces Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and a Broad Global Community Consultation Phase | NETmundial 


China may have a lot of domestic control over their portion of the
internet but they still need to deal with the rest of the world. That
includes trade as one major example.

Granted so long as China is primarily a manufacturer rather than a
retailer many of these global trade internet governance issues don't
directly concern them (one can always quibble that sort of point with
a contagion model.) So long as someone can sell China's goods the
orders will keep coming.

As the Chinese become wealthier the aspect of Chinese as internet
trade consumers will grow. I suppose if that's a problem for the
Chinese govt they could if they wanted control this.

It's not so simple.

But point taken vis a vis criticisms of the UN vs how the same might
apply to NMI.

On December 28, 2014 at 09:48 parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) wrote:
> 
> To my understanding,  for most of those who now support the NMI, the 
> case against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence of 
> Chinas and Irans over there - how can we trust our Internet to such 
> authoritarian governments?!  It is a bit strange to see a special 
> happiness being expressed when the same actors now join the NMI. What is 
> one missing here?
> 
> The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet - 
> politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly interested 
> in more and better (as in more democratic) global governance of the 
> Internet. It can do with forums to make deals and adjustments, and that 
> is about all. That is China's attraction for the NMI, and here is where 
> its interests partially overlap with those of the US, whose whole effort 
> is to block any move whatsoever towards globally democratic governance 
> of the Internet. What we therefore see is a move that is in the interest 
> of all those who already have the most power in terms of the global 
> Internet, they have a forum to negotiate their narrow interests.  And 
> all those currently dis-empowered lose out and are worse off. (Apart 
> from some crumbs throwing business.)
> 
> In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and the 
> 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself. Worse, it 
> pushes countries towards a model of global governance where the way to 
> go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive deals and negotiating 
> narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of the global public interest 
> (ok, I can hear sniggers, which is precisely the problem), which is what 
> a UN kind of global governance system is under-pinned by. It distorts 
> the very political thinking and philosophy that needs to form the basis 
> of our shared global living. Big loss, really.
> 
> parminder
> 
> 
> On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> > Good point.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:
> >>
> >> I see at least two names from China as very interesting or 
> >> significant: Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of Alibaba, both were 
> >> central figures at the World Internet Conference held in Wuzhen, 
> >> China last month. Their participation in this Multistakeholder 
> >> venture is a good sign.
> >>
> >> I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively engage and advance 
> >> our core values.
> >>
> >> Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements that are 
> >> troublesome, but I like to remain constructive, critical, but more 
> >> positive.
> >>
> >> And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!
> >>
> >> Izumi
> >>
> >> 2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <lmcknigh at syr.edu 
> >> <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>>:
> >>
> >>     FYI and happy holidays!
> >>
> >>
> >>     Lee
> >>
> >>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>     case against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence
>     of Chinas and Irans over there - how can we trust our Internet to
>     such authoritarian governments?!  It is a bit strange to see a
>     special happiness being expressed when the same actors now join the
>     NMI. What is one missing here?<br>
>     <br>
>     The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet -
>     politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly
>     interested in more and better (as in more democratic) global
>     governance of the Internet. It can do with forums to make deals and
>     adjustments, and that is about all. That is China's attraction for
>     the NMI, and here is where its interests partially overlap with 
>     those of the US, whose whole effort is to block any move whatsoever
>     towards globally democratic governance of the Internet. What we
>     therefore see is a move that is in the interest of all those who
>     already have the most power in terms of the global Internet, they
>     have a forum to negotiate their narrow interests.  And all those
>     currently dis-empowered lose out and are worse off. (Apart from some
>     crumbs throwing business.)<br>
>     <br>
>     In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and
>     the 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself.
>     Worse, it pushes countries towards a model of global governance
>     where the way to go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive
>     deals and negotiating narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of
>     the global public interest (ok, I can hear sniggers, which is
>     precisely the problem), which is what a UN kind of global governance
>     system is under-pinned by. It distorts the very political thinking
>     and philosophy that needs to form the basis of our shared global
>     living. Big loss, really. <br>
>     <br>
>     parminder <br>
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>     <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM,
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>       avri<br>
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>       <br>
>       <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:<br>
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>         <p dir="ltr">I see at least two names from China as very
>           interesting or significant: Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of
>           Alibaba, both were central figures at the World Internet
>           Conference held in Wuzhen, China last month. Their
>           participation in this Multistakeholder venture is a good sign.</p>
>         <p dir="ltr">I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively
>           engage and advance our core values.</p>
>         <p dir="ltr">Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements
>           that are troublesome, but I like to remain constructive,
>           critical, but more positive.</p>
>         <p dir="ltr">And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!</p>
>         <p dir="ltr">Izumi<br>
>         </p>
>         <div class="gmail_quote">2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" &lt;<a
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Mon Dec 29 01:07:47 2014
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:07:47 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: URGENT: Call for candidates to IGC
 co-coordinatorship
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From gpaque at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 09:18:42 2014
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:18:42 -0600
Subject: [governance] IG 2014 2-minute survey (request that you take part)
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Dear colleagues,

We are coming to the end of a very busy 2014 and the beginning of 2015,
which promises to be even more eventful. At this time of reflection, we
have prepared a visual 2014 Timeline of Internet Governance.
<http://giplatform.org/>

To add your own input to the analyses of the year, please take a moment to
vote <https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/IG2014review> on the most important
Internet governance event, issue, and personality of 2014. Watch for the
results of the survey on the GIP Platform <http://www.giplatform.org/events>
.

We wish you a smooth passage to the New Year and peace and prosperity in
2015.

Warm wishes from a freezing cold Wisconsin, USA,
Ginger
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From vanda at uol.com.br  Sun Dec 28 08:10:38 2014
From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 08:10:38 -0500
Subject: [governance] Felicidades
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Lo mismo a ti Jose y familia. 2015 lleno de realizaciones!
Vanda Scartezini
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On 12/24/14, 10:13, "José Félix Arias Ynche" <jaryn56 at gmail.com> wrote:

>A toda la comunidad...mis felicidades por navidad y un venturoso año
>nuevo... espero que todos la pasen bien y en compañía de sus
>familiares.
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>
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>Cordialmente:         José Félix Arias Ynche
>                        Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo
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From jaryn56 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 09:16:38 2014
From: jaryn56 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgRsOpbGl4IEFyaWFzIFluY2hl?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:16:38 -0500
Subject: [governance] Re: URGENT: Call for candidates to IGC
 co-coordinatorship
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Propongo como candidato a José F. Callo Romero, miembro de la lista



*Cordialmente:         José Félix Arias Ynche*
*                        Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*

2014-12-29 1:07 GMT-05:00 Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr>:

> Thank you Mawaki,
>
> I look forward to the poll. I take this opportunity to wish you a happy
> and prosperous year ahead. Please do keep positive energy and work hard on
> your cause.
>
> Best regards,
> A
> ------------------
> Arsene Tungali,
> Executive Director, Rudi International
> www.rudiinternational.org
>
> Founder, Mabingwa Forum
> www.mabingwa-forum.com
> Phone:+243993810967
>
> ICANN Fellow | ISOC Member | Child Online Protection Advocate | Youth
> Leader | Internet Governance.
> Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
> At 28 déc. 2014 17:41:26, Mawaki Chango<'kichango at gmail.com'> wrote:
> I am confirming that we have received nominations for three candidates as
> follows:
>
> - Analia Aspis
> - Arsene Tungali
> - Kawsar Uddin
>
> If there were other candidates left out from the above list, please let me
> know. I'll directly get in touch shortly with the candidates in order to
> prepare the poll which will be open sometime early January.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mawaki
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>>
>> This is a gentle reminder to let you know for those who are interested in
>> running for the available position of IGC co-coordinator that you have
>> until this coming Friday, 19 December midnight UTC, to nominate (with the
>> acceptance of the nominee) or self-nominate.
>>
>> So far, I have received nominations of or from:
>>
>> - Analia Aspis
>> - Arsene Tungali
>> - Kawsar Uddin
>>
>> Please let me know if I have forgotten someone. For those still on the
>> fence (such as Vincent Solomon, Akinremi Peter Taiwo or Kwasi
>> Boakye-Akyeampong to mention but those who did explicitly show some
>> interest), I only have one proverbial phrase for you: If I can do it, you
>> can do it too! So please let me know if you have made up your mind in favor
>> of a run.
>> Please find below a recall of instructions I posted earlier for the
>> candidates. Please make sure you send your candidacy materials to me.
>>
>> Self-nomination: You do not have to forward it here on the list. You can
>> send it to me directly or to Deirdre: williams (dot) deirdre (at) gmail
>> (dot) com
>>
>> Third-party nomination: Please make sure your prospective nominee accept
>> your nomination and then you can forward us his or her name as above.
>> Alternatively, you can make public nomination on the list inviting your
>> prospective nominee to respond by accepting or declining. Another variant
>> of the same is that you send us a private email with your prospective
>> nominee cc'ed on it, asking him or her to accept or decline in a reply to
>> all, etc.
>>
>> In any event, all nominees who will have accepted their nomination will
>> be asked to provide the following information directly to me at kichango
>> (at) gmail (dot) com (NOT to this list), which will then be uploaded and
>> made public on the Caucus website by the time the poll starts.
>>
>> 1) Name
>> 2) Country you affiliate yourself with (nationality or residence)
>> 3) Organizational/Network affiliations in the context of CS/Academia or
>> in the context of ICTs
>> 4) Disclosure of Conflict of Interest, if any.
>> 5) Short Biography (you may also provide a link to your personal website
>> or your Linkedin page if you have one.)
>> 6) Why you think you would make a good co-coordinator for the IGC
>> 7) Vision for the IGC
>> 8) A picture of you (no more than 50 Kb headshot).
>>
>> We would be grateful if you can keep your text in 300 words or less.
>> As I said previously, we hope to receive all nominations by 19th
>> December, midnight UTC
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mawaki
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Now that the excitement of the new MAG is over it's time for us at the
>>> IGC to have our own election. We need to elect a second Co-coordinator.
>>> The results of the elections for new Co-coordinators a year ago gave Mawaki
>>> a one year term. As he already suggested at several occasions including
>>> during the election last year, he is not in position to serve two more
>>> years. In other words, Mawaki does not intend to stand again.
>>>
>>> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with
>>> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as
>>> a co-coordinator to serve from 2015-2017.
>>>
>>> Nominations will be open until 19th December, midnight UTC.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Mawaki Chango
>>> Deirdre Williams
>>> IGC Co-coordinators
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From Guru at ITforChange.net  Tue Dec 30 22:14:06 2014
From: Guru at ITforChange.net (Guru)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:44:06 +0530
Subject: [governance] Other News - How the Trade in Services Agreement Lets
 Big Brother Go Global
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whether TPP or NMI, the aim/idea is the same - more power to the 
powerful....  the newsletter below should warn us about where the 
biggest dangers lie ...
Guru

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Subject: 	Other News - How the Trade in Services Agreement Lets Big 
Brother Go Global
Date: 	Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:59:40 -0000
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*How the Trade in Services Agreement Lets Big Brother Go Global*
**
*/By Don Quijones* - Naked Capitalism/*
Much has been written, at least in the alternative media, about the 
Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Transatlantic Trade and 
Investment Partnership (TTIP), two multilateral trade treaties being 
negotiated between the representatives of dozens of national governments 
and armies of corporate lawyers and lobbyists (on which you can read 
more here, here and here). However, much less is known about the 
decidedly more secretive Trade in Services Act (TiSA), which involves 
more countries than either of the other two.
At least until now, that is. Thanks to a leaked document jointly 
published by the Associated Whistleblowing Press and Filtrala, the 
potential ramifications of the treaty being hashed out behind 
hermetically sealed doors in Geneva are finally seeping out into the 
public arena.
If signed, the treaty would affect all services ranging from electronic 
transactions and data flow, to veterinary and architecture services. It 
would almost certainly open the floodgates to the final wave of 
privatization of public services, including the provision of healthcare, 
education and water. Meanwhile, already privatized companies would be 
prevented from a re-transfer to the public sector by a so-called 
barring “ratchet clause” – even if the privatization failed.
More worrisome still, the proposal stipulates that no participating 
state can stop the use, storage and exchange of personal data relating 
to their territorial base. Here’s more from Rosa Pavanelli, general 
secretary of Public Services International (PSI):
The leaked documents confirm our worst fears that TiSA is being used to 
further the interests of some of the largest corporations on earth (…) 
Negotiation of unrestricted data movement, internet neutrality and how 
electronic signatures can be used strike at the heart of individuals’ 
rights. Governments must come clean about what they are negotiating in 
these secret trade deals.
Fat chance of that, especially in light of the fact that the text is 
designed to be almost impossible to repeal, and is to be 
“considered confidential” for five years after being signed. What 
that effectively means is that the U.S. approach to data protection 
(read: virtually non-existent) could very soon become the norm across 50 
countries spanning the breadth and depth of the industrial world.
*Big Brother Goes Global*
The main players in the top-secret negotiations are the United States 
and all 28 members of the European Union. However, the broad scope of 
the treaty also includes Australia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, 
Hong Kong, Iceland, Israel, Japan, Liechtenstein, Mexico, New Zealand, 
Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, South Korea, Switzerland, 
Taiwan and Turkey. Combined they represent almost 70 percent of all 
trade in services worldwide.
An explicit goal of the TiSA negotiations is to overcome the exceptions 
in GATS that protect certain non-tariff trade barriers, such as data 
protection. For example, the draft Financial Services Annex of TiSA, 
published by Wikileaks in June 2014, would allow financial institutions, 
such as banks, the free transfer of data, including personal data, from 
one country to another. As Ralf Bendrath, a senior policy advisor to the 
MEP Jan Philipp Albrecht, writes in State Watch, this would constitute a 
radical carve-out from current European data protection rules:
The transfer and analysis of financial data from EU to US authorities 
for the US “Terrorist Finance Tracking Programme” (TFTP) has already 
shaken EU-US relations in the past and led the European Parliament to 
veto a first TFTP agreement in 2010. With the draft text of the TiSA 
leak, all floodgates would be opened.
The weakening of EU data protection rules through TiSA goes 
further than “only” the financial sector. According to sources close 
to the negotiations, a draft of the TiSA “Electronic Commerce and 
Telecommunications Services Annex” contains provisions that would ban 
any restrictions on cross-border information flows and localization 
requirements for ICT service providers. A provision proposed by US 
negotiators would rule out any conditions for the transfer of personal 
data to third countries that are currently in place in EU data 
protection law.
Given Edward Snowden’s startling revelations of the scale and scope of 
NSA snooping on European citizens, companies and political leaders – 
much of it facilitated by its junior surveillance partner, the UK’s 
General Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) – the prospect of 
completely unhindered cross-border information and data flows should set 
off alarm bells across the old continent. Unfortunately that isn’t the 
case, for the simple reason that most people are blissfully unaware of 
it, thanks in large part to the near-complete absence of mainstream 
coverage and public debate on the issue.
*The End of Privacy As We Know It?*
As for the EU, divining its real intentions concerning data protection 
is an almost impossible task. Publicly it is in favor of strengthening 
data protections. There have even been proposals to introduce changes to 
the routing of internet data packets, so that they take a certain path 
and remain within the EU. In the European Parliament an amendment was 
tabled by the Green Party to encrypt all Internet traffic from end to 
end and was adopted as part of a compromise on the committee vote in 
February.
As regards national security, the Council of Europe ministers 
responsible for media and information society stated in November 2013 that:
Any data collection or surveillance for the purpose of protection of 
national security must be done in compliance with existing human rights 
and rule of law requirements, including Article 8 of the European 
Convention on Human Rights. Given the growing technological capabilities 
for electronic mass surveillance and the resulting concerns, we 
emphasise that there must be adequate and effective guarantees against 
abuse which may undermine or even destroy democracy.
In private, however, EU trade negotiators – that is, the people with 
real power – are coming under intense U.S. pressure to sign away 
virtually all European data protection rights. As Bendrath notes, U.S. 
lobbying efforts, through groups such as the Orwellian-named 
“Coalition for Privacy and Free Trade”, have been pushing 
for “interoperability” between European and American rules on both 
sides of the Atlantic. That basically means a mutual recognition on the 
respective rules on both sides of the Atlantic. The only catch: in the 
United States there are currently no comprehensive data protection laws 
in place.
If the U.S. negotiators get their way – and let’s face it, when it 
comes to its dealings with its so-called “allies,” Washington 
invariably does – multinational corporations will have carte blanche 
to pry into just about every facet of the working and personal lives of 
the inhabitants of roughly a quarter of the world’s 200-or-so nations. 
Such a prospect should worry us all: exploitation of big data serves 
today to shape our consumption; it can reveal our whereabouts at all 
times, our conduct, preferences, feelings or even our most intimate 
thoughts. If TiSA is signed in its current form – and we will not know 
what that form is until at least five years down the line – that data 
will be freely bought and sold on the open market place without our 
knowledge; companies and governments will be able to store it for as 
long as they desire and use it for just about any purpose.
Perhaps the most perverse irony is that while the corporations and their 
servants in our elected (or in the case of the EU, unelected) 
governments seek to turn our lives into a vast open book of actionable 
or monetizable data, their own actions are increasingly being conducted 
behind an impenetrable blanket of darkness and secrecy. And as John F 
Kennedy once said during a little known speech on the grave threat posed 
by the Soviet Union, “the very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a 
free and open society.” By Don Quijones
*/*A freelance writer and translator based in Barcelona, Spain, and 
editor at Wolf Street, where this article was originally published/*
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