[governance] Fwd: [cs-coord] Civil Society Speakers for IGF Closing Ceremony

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Whether you trust milton or not is a rather separate issue, surely?


On 27 August 2014 5:09:56 pm Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:

> At 11:31 27/08/2014, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> >A centre generally does exclude extreme opinions on either side of
> >the political spectrum
> >Feel free to list them, but if you wish to proceed further than just
> >a laundry list of statements, then working toward consensus - across
> >stakeholder groups - becomes inevitable.
>
> Trimmed for commercial community pads receivers and to stay as
> non-partisan as possible.
>
> Suresh,
>
> We confuse the usual consensus/compromise issue. We disagree on
> compromise: therefore the consensus can only be a multi-consensus. It
> means that we have consensually described and report our lack of
> consensus, which the sub-consensus are, and the way for the various
> identified sub-consensual communities interelate.
>
> The question is: "do we trust Milton to present this multi-consensus,
> or do we fear he introduces his own vision of a compromise?"
> The issue is: "what is to be enhanced cooperation within the Internet
> Governance?".
>
> The IGF is the Internet Governance Forum, for Govs, Corps,
> International Orgs and CS to concert about the Internet and develop
> enhanced cooperations supported by dynamic coalitions. The task of
> understanding what is enhanced cooperation was to be worked on
> through the IGF.
>
> This has been done:
>
> - most of the CS (most people on this list) and Govs have worked
> along an intellectual/legal point approach of the Governance.
>
> - for two years last week, those (including CS people like me) who
> have worked from a pragmatic evaluation of the Internet have
>    - come to a paradigmatic/consensual understanding,
>    - published it,
>    - and acted upon it.
>
>    - I questionned that understanding (IETF appeal) because it could
> be out of tune with the CS and Govs (WCIT) majority approaches.
>
>    - However, while I was reaching the ultimate layer (ISOC appeal),
> the NTIA preempted their response in bridging their minority (WCIT)
> Government position both with the technical community consensus, and
> with the common thinking of the industry incumbents (which
> geographically fall under US legal jurisdiction).
>
> The question becomes: "do we think Milton will think and speak along
> an obsolete or an up to date reality framework?".
>
> Depending on the case Milton will either sound as:
> - out of tune with all those who have accepted it (we are talking
> about their "huge bounty").
> - or able to correct the probably suicidal money centric creep and
> lead it back to its people centered assignement.
>
>
> For the time being "Enhanced cooperation" has therefore been:
>
> - defined:  at the normative layer
>    by the OpenStand (RFC 6852) Affirmation,
>
> - approved: at the strategic layer
>    by the Montevideo Statement,
>
> - enacted: at the political layer
>    by SaoPaulo's NetMundial
>
> - now pursued: at global governance layer
>    by its economical WEF planned mentors.
>
> The eventual questions therefore are:
>
> 1. "do we trust Milton to present this multi-consensus, or do we fear
> he introduces his own vision of a compromise?"
> 2. "do we believe Milton will think and speak along an obsolete or an
> up to date reality framework?".
> 3. more seriously: "is the US/WEF scheme credible in the middle range?"
>
> jfc
>
>
> NB. WEF/Davos:
>
> - Wikipedia: "The foundation is funded by its 1,000 member companies,
> typically global enterprises with more than five billion dollars in
> turnover (varying by industry and region). These enterprises rank
> among the top companies within their industry and/or country and play
> a leading role in shaping the future of their industry and/or region").
>
> - In our internet world we know them as the US GAFAM+:  they are the
> leaders of RFC 6852 business "global communities" accumulating the
> RFC 6852 "huge bounty".
>
>
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