From anriette at apc.org  Tue Apr  1 05:31:53 2014
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:31:53 +0200
Subject: [governance] IGF Assessments Call for information
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Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible.

Anriette



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Subject: 	[IGFmaglist] Call for information
Date: 	Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300
From: 	Janis Karklins <karklinsj at gmail.com>
To: 	igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>



Dear MAG members,
As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for
information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been
taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs.
Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization
provide a brief account.
Thank you
JK
 
 

The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on
Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide
a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and
possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building,
identify and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for
concrete actions.

 

Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no
actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that
it is just a "talk shop".

 

In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and
decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of
the engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various
IGFs (international, regional or national).

 

In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary
basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a
result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011,
2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF
Secretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat
will compile all information received and will present a synthesized
report at the Istanbul IGF.

 

Thank you for your participation

 

Janis Karklins

Interim Chair of the MAG

 



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From kichango at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 15:46:47 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 19:46:47 +0000
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
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References: <CAJwbTiBLsR+=qzQmS0pc7dAg1uwZQ5AOchUxXeM_uiYVDGSWKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu>
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Hi Jeanette, Karl:

So you've made the case for avoiding the concept of "property," indeed for
its inadequacy, wrt the DNS. What about the other side of the coin? Can the
DNS be considered a public good? That is, the DNS as lnternet logical
infrastructure --not his or that gTLD or this or that domain name.
Thanks,

Mawaki


On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu> wrote:

> Hi Karl,
>
> +1
>
> The term property suggests a totality and uniformity of ownership that in
> practice often turns out to be wrong. Ownership is always subject to
> conditions and those may vary across and time and political/juridical
> cultures. This also means that exclusive rights and obligations are not
> fixed forever but are negotiable.
>
> jeanette
>
> Am 29.03.14 02:26, schrieb Karl Auerbach:
>
>  On 03/28/2014 06:17 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>
>>    1. Is the DNS property or public good?
>>>
>>
>> The word "property" is very heavily overloaded by cultural and legal
>> context.
>>
>> I find it much better to avoid that word altogether and rather to
>> consider the collection of rights and obligations that person X has to
>> thing Y.
>>
>> For example, with regard to domain names X could be the registrant and
>> X's rights include the right to delegate name servers, to sub-delegate,
>> etc.  While the obligations might include paying fees, providing contact
>> information, etc etc.
>>
>> Same for registrars - they have certain rights and obligations with
>> regard to that same domain name (from the prior paragraph above) such
>> acting as the intermediary to a registry, etc etc.
>>
>> Some people may consider those contractual things.  But to me that is
>> merely a difference in words without real difference in substance.
>>
>> I suggest, therefore, that in discussing these sorts of things that we
>> can avoid a lot of miscommmunication by avoiding the difficult word
>> "property".
>>
>>         --karl--
>>
>>
>>
>
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From andrespiazza at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 18:22:02 2014
From: andrespiazza at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piazza?=)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 19:22:02 -0300
Subject: [governance] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?LACNIC=B4s_Webex_Session_on_IPv4_Exha?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ustion?=
Message-ID: <CAB6RXGY-+c86vrMrk1s0gVjQAUbQTdJty2ZZNCnLTQfa3iXVDA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

The purpose of this communication is to invite you to a a virtual
session (via WebEx) during which we will provide an update on the latest
developments related to the impending exhaustion of LACNIC's IPv4
address pool. These session will also provide an opportunity to openly
discuss recommendations for a stable, safe and final transition to IPv6
and the current status of this technology.

The event will be held on April 4th at 7pm UTC Time, 4pm in Montevideo
and 3pm in Port Spain. More information available
here: https://eventos.lacnic.net/ev3/agotamientoipv4sociedadcivil/detail

After processing your online registration, you will receive the link to
access the conference.

Kind Regards,

Andrés Piazza
Public Affairs Officer
LACNIC
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From karl at cavebear.com  Tue Apr  1 19:09:39 2014
From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:09:39 -0700
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
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References: <CAJwbTiBLsR+=qzQmS0pc7dAg1uwZQ5AOchUxXeM_uiYVDGSWKA@mail.gmail.com> <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <CACTo+v8DWB3CeJLY27e-LLaKYGLd_hqN8ExR2QFAvUB=gMyNSA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm doing this on an ipad so please excuse it being terse...

I am not suggesting that we avoid notions such as control or alienabiliy or the right to exclude others..  Rather I am simply suggesting that we stay away from culturally loaded words such as"property".   I would prefer that we use the concept of the rights and duties that arise rather than bundling all that under the ambiguous word "property".

    --karl--

> On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeanette, Karl:
> 
> So you've made the case for avoiding the concept of "property," indeed for its inadequacy, wrt the DNS. What about the other side of the coin? Can the DNS be considered a public good? That is, the DNS as lnternet logical infrastructure --not his or that gTLD or this or that domain name.
> Thanks,
>   
> Mawaki
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu> wrote:
>> Hi Karl,
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> The term property suggests a totality and uniformity of ownership that in practice often turns out to be wrong. Ownership is always subject to conditions and those may vary across and time and political/juridical cultures. This also means that exclusive rights and obligations are not fixed forever but are negotiable.
>> 
>> jeanette
>> 
>> Am 29.03.14 02:26, schrieb Karl Auerbach:
>> 
>>> On 03/28/2014 06:17 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>> 
>>>>   1. Is the DNS property or public good?
>>> 
>>> The word "property" is very heavily overloaded by cultural and legal
>>> context.
>>> 
>>> I find it much better to avoid that word altogether and rather to
>>> consider the collection of rights and obligations that person X has to
>>> thing Y.
>>> 
>>> For example, with regard to domain names X could be the registrant and
>>> X's rights include the right to delegate name servers, to sub-delegate,
>>> etc.  While the obligations might include paying fees, providing contact
>>> information, etc etc.
>>> 
>>> Same for registrars - they have certain rights and obligations with
>>> regard to that same domain name (from the prior paragraph above) such
>>> acting as the intermediary to a registry, etc etc.
>>> 
>>> Some people may consider those contractual things.  But to me that is
>>> merely a difference in words without real difference in substance.
>>> 
>>> I suggest, therefore, that in discussing these sorts of things that we
>>> can avoid a lot of miscommmunication by avoiding the difficult word
>>> "property".
>>> 
>>>         --karl--
>> 
>> 
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From kichango at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 20:25:50 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 00:25:50 +0000
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
In-Reply-To: <EC2F38A1-197C-4B43-8314-FC3200077046@cavebear.com>
References: <CAJwbTiBLsR+=qzQmS0pc7dAg1uwZQ5AOchUxXeM_uiYVDGSWKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <CACTo+v8DWB3CeJLY27e-LLaKYGLd_hqN8ExR2QFAvUB=gMyNSA@mail.gmail.com>
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 I got that, Karl --and sorry for your ipad pain :)

My question is this: Is this answer of yours also an answer (if only
indirectly) to the question of DNS as public good. Well, assuming one can
formulate a definition of public good without positively relying on the
concept of property as culturally overloaded as it is -- but then again if
the implication of your repeated answer is that such formulation of a
definition of 'public good' is impossible, then yes your repeated answer is
the only thing I can get.

Is the unbundling of rights and duties (on specific pieces/instances of the
DNS) the only way you see fit for the question of the DNS (as a whole) as
possible public good, too?

mawaki


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com> wrote:

> I'm doing this on an ipad so please excuse it being terse...
>
> I am not suggesting that we avoid notions such as control or alienabiliy
> or the right to exclude others..  Rather I am simply suggesting that we
> stay away from culturally loaded words such as"property".   I would prefer
> that we use the concept of the rights and duties that arise rather than
> bundling all that under the ambiguous word "property".
>
>     --karl--
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeanette, Karl:
>
> So you've made the case for avoiding the concept of "property," indeed for
> its inadequacy, wrt the DNS. What about the other side of the coin? Can the
> DNS be considered a public good? That is, the DNS as lnternet logical
> infrastructure --not his or that gTLD or this or that domain name.
> Thanks,
>
> Mawaki
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu>wrote:
>
>> Hi Karl,
>>
>> +1
>>
>> The term property suggests a totality and uniformity of ownership that in
>> practice often turns out to be wrong. Ownership is always subject to
>> conditions and those may vary across and time and political/juridical
>> cultures. This also means that exclusive rights and obligations are not
>> fixed forever but are negotiable.
>>
>> jeanette
>>
>> Am 29.03.14 02:26, schrieb Karl Auerbach:
>>
>>  On 03/28/2014 06:17 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>>
>>>    1. Is the DNS property or public good?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The word "property" is very heavily overloaded by cultural and legal
>>> context.
>>>
>>> I find it much better to avoid that word altogether and rather to
>>> consider the collection of rights and obligations that person X has to
>>> thing Y.
>>>
>>> For example, with regard to domain names X could be the registrant and
>>> X's rights include the right to delegate name servers, to sub-delegate,
>>> etc.  While the obligations might include paying fees, providing contact
>>> information, etc etc.
>>>
>>> Same for registrars - they have certain rights and obligations with
>>> regard to that same domain name (from the prior paragraph above) such
>>> acting as the intermediary to a registry, etc etc.
>>>
>>> Some people may consider those contractual things.  But to me that is
>>> merely a difference in words without real difference in substance.
>>>
>>> I suggest, therefore, that in discussing these sorts of things that we
>>> can avoid a lot of miscommmunication by avoiding the difficult word
>>> "property".
>>>
>>>         --karl--
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From joly at punkcast.com  Wed Apr  2 04:19:52 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 04:19:52 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY 10:30am EDT: US House IANA Transition
 Hearing
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3uAeEOxVY_YFvR9=AxztyURwxOmXgf-VqV6=59Z9QM9A@mail.gmail.com>

Hopefully with everyone over their jetlag from the trip back from
Singapore, the US Congress now gets to talk IANA. Since the NTIA
globalization announcement back on March 14, politicians from Newt
Gingrich<https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/444608973455384576>to
Sarah
Palin <https://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin/posts/10201681563024880> have
raised concerns that it is a US giveaway of a strategic asset. Congress is
certainly going to paying close attention as the process develops. Every
Internet user worldwide has an interest in the four factors in the
hearing's title - Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom - and thus
the answers to the questions listed below. We in turn should pay close
attention to Congress,

   joly posted: "On Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT, the U.S. House
of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on
Communications and Technology will a hearing Ensuring the Security,
Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in"

  [image: Energy + Commerece]On *Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT*,
the U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's
Subcommittee on Communications and Technology will a hearing *Ensuring the
Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global
Internet*<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>in
Washington DC. The topic under discussion will be the proposed
transfer <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6393> of the IANA stewardship from the
United States to the global Internet community. Witnesses are *Larry
Strickling* of the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, *Fadi Chehade* of ICANN, former
Ambassador *David Gross*, *Steve DelBianco* of NetChoice, and *Carolina
Rossini* of the OTI. The hearing will be webcast live via Ustream.

*What*: Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the
Global Internet<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>
*Where*: Washington DC
*When*: Wednesday April 2 2014, 10.30am EDT | 1530 UTC
*Webcast*: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/energyandcommerce2322
*Background memo*:
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf
*Twitter*: #SubCommTech<https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23SubCommTech>|
#IANA <https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23IANA>

*Topics*:

   - How will NTIA collect and assess proposals? Has a process been
   determined? Is there a timeline in place for a decision?
   - Does transition of the IANA functions out of NTIA have implications
   for national security?
   - How will NTIA ensure that any transition is smooth and does not affect
   the daily functioning of the Internet?
   - What will be the result if NTIA does not receive a proposal that
   satisfies the criteria it set forth? Does NTIA plan to exercise the
   automatic option for renewal on the IANA contract if a satisfactory
   proposal is not received?
   - What sort of multi-stakeholder community would be the ideal
   replacement for NTIA's role in the IANA functions?
   - What safeguards will be in place to prevent a future change that would
   allow for governments to seize control?
   - What oversight role should Congress play to ensure a successful
   outcome.
   - What will be the practical impact of this transition on Internet users
   and businesses that utilize the Internet for commerce?

  Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6488#respond>    See all
comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6488#comments>


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From joly at punkcast.com  Wed Apr  2 08:25:13 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:25:13 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: WEBCAST TODAY 10:30am EDT: US House IANA
 Transition Hearing
In-Reply-To: <CAM9VJk3uAeEOxVY_YFvR9=AxztyURwxOmXgf-VqV6=59Z9QM9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM9VJk3uAeEOxVY_YFvR9=AxztyURwxOmXgf-VqV6=59Z9QM9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk0YKMVqVoagTD1pA2PxmUvyFtb+em9RFcW6ZC7=KmE7uw@mail.gmail.com>

Correction. This starts at 1430 UTC.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

> Hopefully with everyone over their jetlag from the trip back from
> Singapore, the US Congress now gets to talk IANA. Since the NTIA
> globalization announcement back on March 14, politicians from Newt
> Gingrich <https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/444608973455384576> to Sarah
> Palin <https://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin/posts/10201681563024880> have
> raised concerns that it is a US giveaway of a strategic asset. Congress is
> certainly going to paying close attention as the process develops. Every
> Internet user worldwide has an interest in the four factors in the
> hearing's title - Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom - and thus
> the answers to the questions listed below. We in turn should pay close
> attention to Congress,
>
>    joly posted: "On Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT, the U.S.
> House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on
> Communications and Technology will a hearing Ensuring the Security,
> Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in"
>
>   [image: Energy + Commerece]On *Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT*,
> the U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's
> Subcommittee on Communications and Technology will a hearing *Ensuring
> the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet*<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>in Washington DC. The topic under discussion will be the proposed
> transfer <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6393> of the IANA stewardship from the
> United States to the global Internet community. Witnesses are *Larry
> Strickling* of the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, *Fadi Chehade* of ICANN,
> former Ambassador *David Gross*, *Steve DelBianco* of NetChoice, and *Carolina
> Rossini* of the OTI. The hearing will be webcast live via Ustream.
>
> *What*: Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the
> Global Internet<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>
> *Where*: Washington DC
> *When*: Wednesday April 2 2014, 10.30am EDT | 1430 UTC
> *Webcast*: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/energyandcommerce2322
> *Background memo*:
> http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf
> *Twitter*: #SubCommTech<https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23SubCommTech>|
> #IANA <https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23IANA>
>
> *Topics*:
>
>    - How will NTIA collect and assess proposals? Has a process been
>    determined? Is there a timeline in place for a decision?
>    - Does transition of the IANA functions out of NTIA have implications
>    for national security?
>    - How will NTIA ensure that any transition is smooth and does not
>    affect the daily functioning of the Internet?
>    - What will be the result if NTIA does not receive a proposal that
>    satisfies the criteria it set forth? Does NTIA plan to exercise the
>    automatic option for renewal on the IANA contract if a satisfactory
>    proposal is not received?
>    - What sort of multi-stakeholder community would be the ideal
>    replacement for NTIA's role in the IANA functions?
>    - What safeguards will be in place to prevent a future change that
>    would allow for governments to seize control?
>    - What oversight role should Congress play to ensure a successful
>    outcome.
>    - What will be the practical impact of this transition on Internet
>    users and businesses that utilize the Internet for commerce?
>
>   Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6488#respond>    See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6488#comments>
>
>
>  *Permalink*:
> http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6488
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Wed Apr  2 11:52:32 2014
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 17:52:32 +0200
Subject: [governance] REMINDER and CLARIFICATION / NETmundial / European
 Commission to facilitate a conference call for information sharing
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[ *Apologies if you receive this message multiple times. Please share with
your contacts.* ]



Please be reminded of the announcement below; please also note that due to
daylight saving time, the correct time-zone for the call is actually CEST
(Central European *Summer* Time, UTC +2 hours). To avoid any
misunderstanding, just keep in mind that the host of the conference call is
based in *Brussels,** Belgium*.



+++


http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/netmundial-european-commission-facilitate-conference-call-information-sharing



In view of the forthcoming Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of
Internet Governance (NETMundial, http://www.netmundial.br/) which will take
place in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on 23-24 April 2014, the European Commission is
organising an open conference call, with the purpose of sharing information
among stakeholders.



The online meeting will be facilitated by the European Commission, but we
do expect stakeholders to actively contribute to the conversation. We
kindly ask those who plan to attend the conference call and would like to
share their views with other participants, possibly on the basis of their /
their organisation's contribution to NETmundial, to *let us know in
advance*so that we can allocate a fair number of slots for
interventions.



Details of the conference call (phone numbers, PIN, and Adobe Connect data)
are below:



·         Date: 8 April 2014

·         Time: 11:00 - 13:00 (CEST)

·         Telephone number: 02 808 1363 (if calling from Belgium - for a
list of international number, please see the attached PDF document)

·         Conference room number: 1327846

·         Adobe Connect URL:
http://ec-wacs.adobeconnect.com/ag4682/(please note that you do
*NOT* need to use Adobe Connect to participate in the teleconference - it's
offered as an option)



As background information, you might want to go through the contributions
which have been submitted to NETmundial. They are available at
http://content.netmundial.br/docs/contribs. The European Commission has
submitted two contributions, which are available at
http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/internet-governance-principles/176and
http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/roadmap-for-the-further-evolution-of-the-internet-governance-ecosystem/177.




Thanks for your kind attention. We hope you will join us for this
discussion.



Best regards,



--
Andrea Glorioso (Mr)
European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and Technology
Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy
Development
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T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E: Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu
Twitter: @andreaglorioso
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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro

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circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European
Commission.
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en aucun cas être assimilées à une position officielle de la Commission
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From rishab.bailey at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 13:25:38 2014
From: rishab.bailey at gmail.com (Rishab Bailey)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:55:38 +0530
Subject: [governance] NetMundial News
Message-ID: <CANf7=M3ntrLm13nLDWEFkaEbTMani5vWVOXLAvG5ixi56TgcQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Please find appended below the first of an occasional update from Knowledge
Common on the NetMundial meeting coming up in Sao Paolo.

Warm Regards,

Rishab
(for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)

*Welcome to the first edition of NetMundial News from Knowledge Commons!*

***********
Knowledge Commons <http://www.kcbrasil.org/> is a consortium of community
media, academics and technologists based in India and Brasil.

For more information please visit www.knowledgecommons.in and
www.kcbrasil.org and follow us on Twitter @KCNetMundial

***********

President Dilma Roussef issued a strong call for a global compact on
Internet Governance at her speech at the UN General
Assembly<http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2013/9/24/video_at_un_brazilian_president_dilma>
in
September 2013 following revelations about surveillance on various
Brasilian institutions by the NSA.

The NetMundial meeting  <http://netmundial.br/>to be held 23-24 April in
Sao Paolo, will craft new Principles for governing the Internet and a road
map for reform of current governance structures. NetMundial represents an
important turning point in the debate on democratizing Internet Governance.

The NetMundial diplomatic conference <http://netmundial.br/about/> will be
held at the Hyatt hotel and will negotiate the principles and road map.
 Several Knowledge Commons delegates have been accepted into the NetMundial
and are keen to meet up with other like minded people and organisations!

The ArenaNetMundial <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_3E1fBMPxY> will be
held at the Sao Paolo Cultural Centre starting 22 February and will feature
a series of incredible panel events and speakers from around the world.  *Stand
by for the full program*!

Knowledge Commons will be transmitting news and updates from the
conference<http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/?page_id=131>* -
let us know if you would like to be on our mailing list by writing to: *
info at knowledgecommons.in*. *

Knowledge Commons has made two
submissions<http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/?page_id=141> to
the meeting - on
policy<http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/towards-reform-of-global-internet-governance/240>
 and technical <http://towards%20reform%20of%20global%20internet%20technical%20framework/>issues
- and has summarized all187
submissions<http://summaries%20of%20submissions%20to%20netmundial/>
from
governments, NGOs and companies.

Our analysis <http://analysis%20of%20netmundial%20submissions/> of the
submissions, explained in this
infographic<http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Proposals-for-NetMundial-195x300.jpg>,
shows that

   - 31 came from governments (individual and group), 105 civil society, 42
   private sector, 3 UN and 6 Multistakeholder
   - 99 from the North, 64 from the South, 24 from Global
   - 127 submitted by men, 51 by women, 9 non-gendered
   - 18 submissions mention gender
   - 50 out of 187 submissions protest mass surveillance - while almost all
   mention privacy
   - 110 out of 187 submissions insist that human rights online
   - 135 out of 187 submissions acknowledge that the multistakeholder model
   needs reform and improvement
   - 145 out of 187 submissions affirm the fact that governments have a
   role to play in internet governance
   - 63 out of 187 submissions explicitly support the globalization or
   internationalization of ICANN & its IANA function
   - 46 out of 187 submissions explicitly support the strengthening and
   reform of the Internet Governance Forum

Many principles are under discussion in the submissions including:


   - Drag net surveillance is not legitimate and should be explicitly
   outlawed
   - Surveillance must be necessary, targeted, proportionate and with
   judicial oversight
   - Clandestine backdoors into software and hardware violate users human
   rights
   - We need new limits on information governments and companies collect,
   store and use
   - The Internet is a global knowledge commons not a market place or war
   theatre
   - The concentration of legal power and internet traffic through one
   state is dangerous
   - Competition and consumer law need to apply to online markets in light
   of monopolies
   - Fair and transparent cross border regulation and taxation of global
   internet businesses
   - Net neutrality must not be compromised
   - Digital colonialism of dominant cultures and languages online must be
   addressed.

Of the 187 submissions, a full 135 acknowledge problems with the
multistakeholder model of Internet governance, with reform urgently needed
to:


   - Untangle the Internet from the laws of one country - ICANN and the
   NTIA also agree it's time for the US to withdraw from its role as trustee
   of the Internet.

   - Make ICANN in its new "globalized" form horizontally and vertically
   accountable; most suggest but some overtly state
(CGI.br<http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/evolution-and-internationalization-of-icann/263>)
   that ICANN is captured by dominant industries

   -  Many submissions describe how the "multistakeholder" model is
   suffering from:


   - *Lack of clear standard operating procedures* including transparent
      decision making and reporting
   - *Self selection instead of equitable representation* - many
      submissions note that those who can afford to be present in the myriad of
      multistakeholder encounters, usually held in the Global North, can
      participate, which impacts not only resourced challenged NGOs but also
      developing countries
      - *Structures that are not complimentary* - but are difficult to
      navigate with overlapping mandates
      - *Vague definitions* - "stakeholders" are not easily or simply
      defined. Different configurations are required in public policy or
      technical debates.  The technical community is both private and part of
      civil society. Civil society comprises rights advocates, aid workers,
      philanthropic ventures, librarians and the media. Similarly, governments
      comprise bureaucrats, regulators, legislators, jurists, military,
      intelligence, data protection officers, and civil servants.
Simplistically
      bundling all entities as equal has benefited some actors over others.

Of the 187 submissions, 145 have acknowledged that governments have a role
to play.

   - While the precise role is the subject of a long-standing, bitter and
   polarizing debate, President Rousseff's September 2013 speech at the UN
   General Assembly and many submissions (for instance that of the German
   government) call for governments to take up their role and responsibility
   as representatives of populations

   - While technical standards and protocols must continue to be framed in
   an institutionalized bottoms up manner, Knowledge Commons believes that
   certain public policy functions can only be adequately dealt with through
   governments working together on such issues as:


   - Legal and enforceable protection of human rights, including privacy
   - Cyber warfare and cyber attacks
   - Regularity issues such as cost of access and net neutrality
   - Common ownership of domain name spaces, including control of CCTLDs by
   the country concerned, international control, supervision and oversight of
   IANA functions
   - Protection and stability of international telecommunications services
   (the right against disconnection etc.)

To further explain and demystify the above issues, Knowledge Commons has
prepared a number of papers, including on:

- What is wrong with Internet Governance?
<http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/?page_id=10>
 and
- The false dichotomy between Multistakeholder and Multilateral
models<http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/?page_id=20>

We encourage you to sign up and participate in the discussion - after all
the Internet is our global knowledge commons!

Knowledge Commons Team
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 15:21:58 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 15:21:58 -0400
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com>

The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's
Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing *Ensuring the
Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet
<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>*
in
Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also
contains a link to a background memo
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf
The
memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and
Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to transition
the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". Pages 3/ 4
of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The Multistakeholder
Community". This is the first paragraph of that section:

ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary
Internet standards

under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments,
Internet users,

corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that
develop the technology that

makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and
governments that participate in

the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the
Internet. The Internet

Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the
Internet Engineering

Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively
organized under the

international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and
all work to create

voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all
networks easier. The

flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the
"multistakeholder model," is what has

enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce,
social discourse, and

innovation.

Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you
count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that
each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they
qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are
described as " the engineering corps of the Internet".

So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?

Deirdre

-- 
"The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 15:28:23 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 15:28:23 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF Assessments Call for
 information
In-Reply-To: <533A8789.20407@apc.org>
References: <CAO3s21Qs=ZqO459iLj7rPyr7FEA4yHQrRu_aJcDu6QxmqZx7Jw@mail.gmail.com>
 <533A8789.20407@apc.org>
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN54UV-AuGWVnAdJQWgJ+OfKE836GnbeAxnsP1PKmPWhaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Following Anriette's message yesterday does IGC have any suggestions
of "concrete
decisions or actions that have been taken as a result of engagement during
the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 IGFs". We have until
30th June for submission.
Deirdre


On 1 April 2014 05:31, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:

>  Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible.
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for
> information  Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300  From: Janis Karklins
> <karklinsj at gmail.com> <karklinsj at gmail.com>  To:
> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org><igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>
>  Dear MAG members,
> As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for
> information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been
> taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs.
> Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization
> provide a brief account.
> Thank you
> JK
>
>
>
> The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet
> governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform
> for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible
> solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and
> disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.
>
>
>
> Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no
> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that
> it is just a "talk shop".
>
>
>
> In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and
> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the
> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national).
>
>
>
> In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
> institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary
> basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a
> result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012
> and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat
> will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report
> at the Istanbul IGF.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your participation
>
>
>
> Janis Karklins
>
> Interim Chair of the MAG
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IRP mailing list
> IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
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>


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From fatimacambronero at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 15:42:38 2014
From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 16:42:38 -0300
Subject: [governance] #GigaNet CALL FOR PAPERS 9th Annual Symposium
Message-ID: <CAHY4F=yL1W7=LOohuG527FjtY86BynZBwVYuTeMBhFNNb01tcw@mail.gmail.com>

[image: Bildschirmfoto 2012-03-12 um 09]





CALL FOR PAPERS



9th Annual Symposium

1 September 2014

Istanbul, Turkey



Deadline for abstract submissions: April 15 2014





The Global Internet Governance Academic Network (GigaNet) is seeking
research submissions about Internet Governance to be presented at its Ninth
Annual Symposium, held on 1 September 2014, one day before the United
Nations Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Istanbul, Turkey.



GigaNet is a scholarly community that promotes the development of Internet
Governance as a recognized, interdisciplinary field of study and
facilitates informed dialogue on policy issues and related matters between
scholars and governments, international organizations, the private sector
and civil society. http://giga-net.org/



Since 2006, GigaNet has organized an Annual Symposium to showcase research
about Internet Governance, bringing together researchers and practitioners
from a wide range of disciplines and fields. As in previous years, the
symposium will provide room to discuss current and future questions as well
as the challenges encountered and results achieved in global Internet
governance. The 2014 GigaNet Symposium offers researchers a timely
opportunity to present their work on our rapidly changing field.



Conference themes



GigaNet is interested in receiving abstracts related to Internet Governance
themes, especially those containing innovative approaches and/or emerging
research areas. The program committee welcomes all proposals on topics
related to global Internet governance including such themes as:



*             The WGEC process and outcomes

*             The WSIS review process and outcomes

*             The mainstreaming and proliferation of "Internet Governance"

*             The institutionalization of internet governance

*             Analysis of the NETmundial meeting

*             Global Trade, Intellectual Property and Internet Governance

*             The ICANN separation roadmap from the NTIA



We will continue to provide a venue for emerging scholars in the field by
offering select panels. Emerging Scholars are those individuals who have
received their Ph.D. within the past three years as well as current
doctoral students working on their approved doctoral research.



Accepted papers from senior scholars will be presented and discussed in a
roundtable format involving business, government and technical community
representatives, while emerging scholars will present their work in a more
traditional academic panel. In both cases, presenters should expect to have
conversations about their work with people from a wide range of stakeholder
groups.





Submissions

Interested scholars should submit abstracts of their research paper at the
Easy Chair platform:



https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=giganet2014

Deadline for abstract submissions: April 15 2014



Paper proposals should be submitted following these requirements:

§  An abstract of 800-1000 words, in English, that describes the paper's
main research goal(s) and methodology employed

§  A short bio note focused on institutional affiliations, advanced
degrees, scholarly publications and work in the field of Internet
Governance and related issues (for example ICTs). Please include a link to
a more detailed CV.

§  Authors of accepted abstracts must submit their final papers by *15 July
2014*. Those unable to do so will be removed from the program.



Process and publication

The Program Committee will evaluate submitted abstracts and inform proposal
authors of acceptance decisions by email before *1 June 2014*.



Accepted submissions and final papers will be published on the GigaNet
website. An online publication with selected papers on the main challenges
of Internet Governance is also planned for the Istanbul IGF.



Registration

The GigaNet Annual Symposium is free of charge. However, registration will
be required to gain entry to the event venue. Please continue visiting our
website for further information about registration, venue and
accommodation.



If you have any question related to the submission or the symposium
activities, please

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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 15:59:25 2014
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 15:59:25 -0400
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Deirdre Williams
<williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you
> count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that
> each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify
> as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as "
> the engineering corps of the Internet".
>
> So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?


Only in part.

There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers,
hundreds of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have
self-organised in many hundreds of  CS bodies to tackle challenges
they see.

Don't get distracted by something that was probably initially drafted
by a 20 year old Congressional intern!

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

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From amedinagomez at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 16:32:02 2014
From: amedinagomez at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Medina_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 15:32:02 -0500
Subject: [governance] #GigaNet CALL FOR PAPERS 9th Annual Symposium
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Fatima muchas gracias por la información
Antonio Medina Gomez
Presidente
Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet


2014-04-02 14:42 GMT-05:00 Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>:

> [image: Bildschirmfoto 2012-03-12 um 09]
>
>
>
>
>
> CALL FOR PAPERS
>
>
>
> 9th Annual Symposium
>
> 1 September 2014
>
> Istanbul, Turkey
>
>
>
> Deadline for abstract submissions: April 15 2014
>
>
>
>
>
> The Global Internet Governance Academic Network (GigaNet) is seeking
> research submissions about Internet Governance to be presented at its Ninth
> Annual Symposium, held on 1 September 2014, one day before the United
> Nations Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Istanbul, Turkey.
>
>
>
> GigaNet is a scholarly community that promotes the development of Internet
> Governance as a recognized, interdisciplinary field of study and
> facilitates informed dialogue on policy issues and related matters between
> scholars and governments, international organizations, the private sector
> and civil society. http://giga-net.org/
>
>
>
> Since 2006, GigaNet has organized an Annual Symposium to showcase research
> about Internet Governance, bringing together researchers and practitioners
> from a wide range of disciplines and fields. As in previous years, the
> symposium will provide room to discuss current and future questions as well
> as the challenges encountered and results achieved in global Internet
> governance. The 2014 GigaNet Symposium offers researchers a timely
> opportunity to present their work on our rapidly changing field.
>
>
>
> Conference themes
>
>
>
> GigaNet is interested in receiving abstracts related to Internet
> Governance themes, especially those containing innovative approaches and/or
> emerging research areas. The program committee welcomes all proposals on
> topics related to global Internet governance including such themes as:
>
>
>
> *             The WGEC process and outcomes
>
> *             The WSIS review process and outcomes
>
> *             The mainstreaming and proliferation of "Internet Governance"
>
> *             The institutionalization of internet governance
>
> *             Analysis of the NETmundial meeting
>
> *             Global Trade, Intellectual Property and Internet Governance
>
> *             The ICANN separation roadmap from the NTIA
>
>
>
> We will continue to provide a venue for emerging scholars in the field by
> offering select panels. Emerging Scholars are those individuals who have
> received their Ph.D. within the past three years as well as current
> doctoral students working on their approved doctoral research.
>
>
>
> Accepted papers from senior scholars will be presented and discussed in a
> roundtable format involving business, government and technical community
> representatives, while emerging scholars will present their work in a more
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> conversations about their work with people from a wide range of stakeholder
> groups.
>
>
>
>
>
> Submissions
>
> Interested scholars should submit abstracts of their research paper at the
> Easy Chair platform:
>
>
>
> https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=giganet2014
>
> Deadline for abstract submissions: April 15 2014
>
>
>
> Paper proposals should be submitted following these requirements:
>
> §  An abstract of 800-1000 words, in English, that describes the paper's
> main research goal(s) and methodology employed
>
> §  A short bio note focused on institutional affiliations, advanced
> degrees, scholarly publications and work in the field of Internet
> Governance and related issues (for example ICTs). Please include a link to
> a more detailed CV.
>
> §  Authors of accepted abstracts must submit their final papers by *15
> July 2014*. Those unable to do so will be removed from the program.
>
>
>
> Process and publication
>
> The Program Committee will evaluate submitted abstracts and inform
> proposal authors of acceptance decisions by email before *1 June 2014*.
>
>
>
> Accepted submissions and final papers will be published on the GigaNet
> website. An online publication with selected papers on the main challenges
> of Internet Governance is also planned for the Istanbul IGF.
>
>
>
> Registration
>
> The GigaNet Annual Symposium is free of charge. However, registration will
> be required to gain entry to the event venue. Please continue visiting our
> website for further information about registration, venue and
> accommodation.
>
>
>
> If you have any question related to the submission or the symposium
> activities, please
>
> e-mail the Program Committee Chair: j-laprise at northwestern.edu.
>
>
> --
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Wed Apr  2 16:44:52 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:44:52 +0200
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
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Thanks for sharing this Deirdre.

McTim, suggesting that a 20 year old intern did that background brief to serve a congressional subcommittee as this critical one, must be some kind of a joke, I presume. Certainly, an un-paid intern!
The overall narrative is pretty much in line with the US reasoning, except that for once, it is more or less raw and plain.

We still have a long way to go... I am afraid...

JC
PS: McTim: if you have the name of that intern, I am pleased to offer him a position. Even though I cannot but disagree with the perspective, the job is rather well done.



Le 2 avr. 2014 à 21:21, Deirdre Williams a écrit :

> The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee’s Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March “to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community”. Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of “The Multistakeholder Community”. This is the first paragraph of that section:
> 
> ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet standards
> 
> under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, Internet users,
> 
> corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop the technology that
> 
> makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments that participate in
> 
> the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the Internet. The Internet
> 
> Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering
> 
> Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively organized under the
> 
> international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and all work to create
> 
> voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks easier. The
> 
> flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the “multistakeholder model,” is what has
> 
> enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, social discourse, and
> 
> innovation.
> 
> Apart from ICANN four “ad hoc groups” are mentioned directly, five if you count ISOC which “collectively organize[s]” them. There is no denying that each of these five is a “stakeholder”, and, being more than one they qualify as “multi”. However there is no diversity – in fact they are described as “ the engineering corps of the Internet”.
> 
> So is this the “multistakeholder model” that we are discussing?
> 
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> -- 
> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 16:51:06 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 16:51:06 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: Multistakeholder model
In-Reply-To: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMz5XN7q1HJ2fwaX4v9_Lqe+JvbOoRRBQ2nUoBOT6+N_RdtWOA@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone interested in reading the formal presentations to the committee can
find them here<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>


On 2 April 2014 15:21, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's
> Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing *Ensuring the
> Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet
> <http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>* in
> Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also
> contains a link to a background memo
> http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The
> memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and
> Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to
> transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community".
> Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The
> Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section:
>
> ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary
> Internet standards
>
> under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from
> governments, Internet users,
>
> corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that
> develop the technology that
>
> makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and
> governments that participate in
>
> the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the
> Internet. The Internet
>
> Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the
> Internet Engineering
>
> Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively
> organized under the
>
> international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers
> and all work to create
>
> voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all
> networks easier. The
>
> flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the
> "multistakeholder model," is what has
>
> enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs,
> commerce, social discourse, and
>
> innovation.
>
> Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you
> count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that
> each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they
> qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are
> described as " the engineering corps of the Internet".
>
> So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?
>
> Deirdre
>
> --
> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>



-- 
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 16:59:51 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:59:51 -0700
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
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Really glad to see this McTim.  I was getting a bit worried that we would
actually have a definition of the "MS model" to discuss but I'm glad you
have reassured us that it was all a false alarm and the MS model is still
the shape shifting wraith that so many folks here in CS have come to know
and love...

M 

-----Original Message-----
From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:59 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams
Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Deirdre Williams
<williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if 
> you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no 
> denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more 
> than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact
they are described as "
> the engineering corps of the Internet".
>
> So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?


Only in part.

There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers, hundreds
of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have self-organised in
many hundreds of  CS bodies to tackle challenges they see.

Don't get distracted by something that was probably initially drafted by a
20 year old Congressional intern!

--
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel



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From suresh at hserus.net  Wed Apr  2 21:51:28 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 07:21:28 +0530
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
In-Reply-To: <0b5b01cf4eb6$7e5a3850$7b0ea8f0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com> <CACAaNxjFSpde5BjmeXmf+aRSjO0d8vS9_NeC04jBnTDwWu_ByA@mail.gmail.com> <0b5b01cf4eb6$7e5a3850$7b0ea8f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F936F7B6-950B-4DB0-8F5E-3887DD76CC55@hserus.net>

It does shift shape so often when some vocal members of civil society assure us that the technical community forms no part of civil society. 

This appears to be an effort in the reverse direction. It is quite sad, but what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and for every fringe civil society type trying to exclude the technical community, there's some crusty old neck beard engineer type who rails at those useless civil society types who wouldn't know a router if it bit them, and are trying to teach real engineers how to run the internet.

Just as wrong headed and fringe an opinion as the civil society fringe one, but oh well ..

--srs (iPad)

> On 03-Apr-2014, at 2:29, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Really glad to see this McTim.  I was getting a bit worried that we would
> actually have a definition of the "MS model" to discuss but I'm glad you
> have reassured us that it was all a false alarm and the MS model is still
> the shape shifting wraith that so many folks here in CS have come to know
> and love...
> 
> M 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:59 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams
> Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model
> 
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Deirdre Williams
> <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if 
>> you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no 
>> denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more 
>> than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact
> they are described as "
>> the engineering corps of the Internet".
>> 
>> So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?
> 
> 
> Only in part.
> 
> There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers, hundreds
> of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have self-organised in
> many hundreds of  CS bodies to tackle challenges they see.
> 
> Don't get distracted by something that was probably initially drafted by a
> 20 year old Congressional intern!
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> 
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> 
> 
> 
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Wed Apr  2 22:02:48 2014
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:02:48 +0000
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
In-Reply-To: <3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net>
References: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com>,<3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net>
Message-ID: <3df8e4cc31034cfd87641db24b7aecc0@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu>

McTim went too far...it probably was not written by a 20 year-old intern, they get stuck with more menial tasks.

Odds are principle 'drafter' was a...21-26-year-old committee staffer, cribbing/revising from lobbyist-provided talking points.

Hey at least they spelled IAB right.  ; )

Lee
________________________________
From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:44 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams
Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model

Thanks for sharing this Deirdre.

McTim, suggesting that a 20 year old intern did that background brief to serve a congressional subcommittee as this critical one, must be some kind of a joke, I presume. Certainly, an un-paid intern!
The overall narrative is pretty much in line with the US reasoning, except that for once, it is more or less raw and plain.

We still have a long way to go... I am afraid...

JC
PS: McTim: if you have the name of that intern, I am pleased to offer him a position. Even though I cannot but disagree with the perspective, the job is rather well done.



Le 2 avr. 2014 ? 21:21, Deirdre Williams a ?crit :


The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet> in Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section:

ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet standards

under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, Internet users,

corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop the technology that

makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments that participate in

the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the Internet. The Internet

Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering

Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively organized under the

international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and all work to create

voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks easier. The

flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the "multistakeholder model," is what has

enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, social discourse, and

innovation.

Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as " the engineering corps of the Internet".

So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?

Deirdre

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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 22:16:47 2014
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:16:47 -0400
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
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References: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net> <3df8e4cc31034cfd87641db24b7aecc0@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu>
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Hi Lee,

You are correct, it was probably written by someone more senior than
an intern, someone who has dozens of issue areas to become conversant
with every week.  In my defense I said "drafted by".

But this is all a red herring becasue I actually made a more important
point that some "journalists" and "academics" either deny or refuse to
admit exists, to wit:

"There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers,
hundreds of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have
self-organised in many hundreds of  CS bodies to tackle challenges
they see."

There is a very large and growing MS Internet eco-system.  If you are
opposed to this politically, well fine, but one can't deny that it
actually exists!

I had thought this thread had died, but alas.....




On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:
> McTim went too far...it probably was not written by a 20 year-old intern,
> they get stuck with more menial tasks.
>
> Odds are principle 'drafter' was a...21-26-year-old committee staffer,
> cribbing/revising from lobbyist-provided talking points.
>
> Hey at least they spelled IAB right.  ; )
>
> Lee
> ________________________________
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> <governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> on behalf of Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS
> I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:44 PM
>
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams
> Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model
>
> Thanks for sharing this Deirdre.
>
> McTim, suggesting that a 20 year old intern did that background brief to
> serve a congressional subcommittee as this critical one, must be some kind
> of a joke, I presume. Certainly, an un-paid intern!
> The overall narrative is pretty much in line with the US reasoning, except
> that for once, it is more or less raw and plain.
>
> We still have a long way to go... I am afraid...
>
> JC
> PS: McTim: if you have the name of that intern, I am pleased to offer him a
> position. Even though I cannot but disagree with the perspective, the job is
> rather well done.
>
>
>
> Le 2 avr. 2014 à 21:21, Deirdre Williams a écrit :
>
> The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee
> on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability,
> Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in Washington DC has just
> finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a
> background memo
> http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf
> The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications
> and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to
> transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community".
> Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The
> Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section:
>
> ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet
> standards
>
> under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments,
> Internet users,
>
> corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that
> develop the technology that
>
> makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments
> that participate in
>
> the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the
> Internet. The Internet
>
> Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the
> Internet Engineering
>
> Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively
> organized under the
>
> international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and
> all work to create
>
> voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all
> networks easier. The
>
> flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the
> "multistakeholder model," is what has
>
> enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce,
> social discourse, and
>
> innovation.
>
> Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you
> count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that
> each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify
> as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as "
> the engineering corps of the Internet".
>
> So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?
>
> Deirdre
>
>
> --
> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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-- 
Cheers,

McTim
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route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

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From suresh at hserus.net  Wed Apr  2 22:48:55 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 08:18:55 +0530
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
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References: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com> <3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net> <3df8e4cc31034cfd87641db24b7aecc0@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> <CACAaNxh5qSZf5wHb=MWGGSOYFwZRLorTMSgiJcm6SDiOAP5+Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A85D3E21-97ED-4EF8-9BCD-CFCA218E1C77@hserus.net>

... And don't be surprised if the people you revile don't want you any more than you want them.

--srs (iPad)

> But this is all a red herring becasue I actually made a more important
> point that some "journalists" and "academics" either deny or refuse to
> admit exists, to wit:
> 
> "There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers,
> hundreds of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have
> self-organised in many hundreds of  CS bodies to tackle challenges
> they see."
> 
> There is a very large and growing MS Internet eco-system.  If you are
> opposed to this politically, well fine, but one can't deny that it
> actually exists!
> 

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From fatimacambronero at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 08:55:27 2014
From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 09:55:27 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF Assessments Call for
 information
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*(Sorry for cross posting. It includes a correct email address to send your
comments).*



 *The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet
governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform
for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible
solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and
disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.*



*Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested that no
actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that it
is just a "talk shop".*



*In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and decisions
that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the
engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs
(international, regional or national).*



*In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
institutions that would be willing to share information, on a voluntary
basis, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a result
of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013
IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF Secretariat (*
*discussion_questions at intgovforum.org*<discussion_questions at intgovforum.org>*)
by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat will compile all information received and
will present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF.*



*Thank you for your participation*



*Janis Karklins*

*Interim Chair of the MAG*




2014-04-01 6:31 GMT-03:00 Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>:

>  Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible.
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for
> information  Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300  From: Janis Karklins
> <karklinsj at gmail.com> <karklinsj at gmail.com>  To:
> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org><igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>
>  Dear MAG members,
> As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for
> information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been
> taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs.
> Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization
> provide a brief account.
> Thank you
> JK
>
>
>
> The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet
> governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform
> for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible
> solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and
> disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.
>
>
>
> Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no
> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that
> it is just a "talk shop".
>
>
>
> In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and
> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the
> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national).
>
>
>
> In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
> institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary
> basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a
> result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012
> and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat
> will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report
> at the Istanbul IGF.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your participation
>
>
>
> Janis Karklins
>
> Interim Chair of the MAG
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IRP mailing list
> IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp
>
>


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From vanda at uol.com.br  Thu Apr  3 09:45:27 2014
From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:45:27 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: Multistakeholder model
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 <CAMz5XN7q1HJ2fwaX4v9_Lqe+JvbOoRRBQ2nUoBOT6+N_RdtWOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF62EC06.3DB31%vanda@uol.com.br>

Thank you!
 I have watched the hearing. Quite interesting! Thanks for sharing this.
Vanda Scartezini
Polo Consultores Associados
Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004
01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464




From:  "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Reply-To:  "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
"williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Date:  Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 17:51
To:  "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject:  [governance] Re: Multistakeholder model

Anyone interested in reading the formal presentations to the committee can
find them here 
<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilie
nce-and-freedom-global-internet>


On 2 April 2014 15:21, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee¹s Subcommittee
> on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability,
> Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet
> <http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilienc
> e-and-freedom-global-internet> in Washington DC has just finished. The
> information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo
> http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-
> SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National
> Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th
> March ³to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder
> community². Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of  ³The
> Multistakeholder Community². This is the first paragraph of that section:
> 
> ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet
> standards 
> 
> under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments,
> Internet users, 
> 
> corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop
> the technology that
> 
> makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments
> that participate in
> 
> the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the
> Internet. The Internet
> 
> Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the
> Internet Engineering
> 
> Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively
> organized under the
> 
> international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and
> all work to create
> 
> voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks
> easier. The 
> 
> flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the ³multistakeholder
> model,² is what has
> 
> enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce,
> social discourse, and
> 
> innovation. 
> 
> Apart from ICANN four ³ad hoc groups² are mentioned directly, five if you
> count ISOC which ³collectively organize[s]² them. There is no denying that
> each of these five is a ³stakeholder², and, being more than one they qualify
> as ³multi². However there is no diversity ­ in fact they are described as
> ³ the engineering corps of the Internet².
> 
> So is this the ³multistakeholder model² that we are discussing?
> 
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> -- 
> ³The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979



-- 
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Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From vanda at uol.com.br  Thu Apr  3 10:54:23 2014
From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:54:23 -0300
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
In-Reply-To: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CF62FC0A.3DB4C%vanda@uol.com.br>

Not from my perception. Multi will need direct interested companies, users
companies, interested governments ,interested users, organised civil society
+ the engineering group.
Vanda Scartezini
Polo Consultores Associados
Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004
01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464




From:  "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Reply-To:  "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
"williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Date:  Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 16:21
To:  "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject:  [governance] Multistakeholder model

The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee¹s Subcommittee
on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability,
Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet
<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilie
nce-and-freedom-global-internet> in Washington DC has just finished. The
information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-2014040
2-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National
Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of
14th March ³to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder
community². Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of
³The Multistakeholder Community². This is the first paragraph of that
section:

ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet
standards 

under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments,
Internet users, 

corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that
develop the technology that

makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments
that participate in

the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the
Internet. The Internet

Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the
Internet Engineering

Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively
organized under the

international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and
all work to create 

voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all
networks easier. The

flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the
³multistakeholder model,² is what has

enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce,
social discourse, and

innovation. 

Apart from ICANN four ³ad hoc groups² are mentioned directly, five if you
count ISOC which ³collectively organize[s]² them. There is no denying that
each of these five is a ³stakeholder², and, being more than one they qualify
as ³multi². However there is no diversity ­ in fact they are described as
³ the engineering corps of the Internet².

So is this the ³multistakeholder model² that we are discussing?

Deirdre


-- 
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Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 11:00:31 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 11:00:31 -0400
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
In-Reply-To: <CF62FC0A.3DB4C%vanda@uol.com.br>
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That was my perception too - that "multi"= diversity. But the document I
shared, whoever created it :-), suggests a different perception - that
"multi" simply equals more than one, many.
Looking at things from different perspectives is often helpful in reaching
an understanding.
Deirdre


On 3 April 2014 10:54, Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote:

> Not from my perception. Multi will need direct interested companies, users
> companies, interested governments ,interested users, organised civil
> society + the engineering group.
> *Vanda Scartezini*
> *Polo Consultores Associados*
> *Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004*
> *01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*
> *Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 <%2B55%2011%203266.6253>*
> *Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 <%2B%2055%2011%2098181.1464> *
>
>
>
>
> From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
> "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 16:21
> To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
>
> The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's
> Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing *Ensuring the
> Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet
> <http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilience-and-freedom-global-internet>*in
> Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also
> contains a link to a background memo
> http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The
> memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and
> Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to
> transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community".
> Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The
> Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section:
>
> ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary
> Internet standards
>
> under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from
> governments, Internet users,
>
> corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that
> develop the technology that
>
> makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and
> governments that participate in
>
> the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the
> Internet. The Internet
>
> Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the
> Internet Engineering
>
> Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively
> organized under the
>
> international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers
> and all work to create
>
> voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all
> networks easier. The
>
> flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the
> "multistakeholder model," is what has
>
> enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs,
> commerce, social discourse, and
>
> innovation.
>
> Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you
> count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that
> each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they
> qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are
> described as " the engineering corps of the Internet".
>
> So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?
>
> Deirdre
>
> --
> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Apr  3 12:41:19 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 22:11:19 +0530
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [ICTs-and-Society] Sign the Freedom of
 Information and Expression-Declaration!
In-Reply-To: <533D8210.2080002@uti.at>
References: <533D8210.2080002@uti.at>
Message-ID: <533D8F2F.9080303@itforchange.net>


Some real freedom of information work, which is not merely fronting for 
economic and political expansionism through the Internet and 
informational control route...  parminder

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Subject: 	[ICTs-and-Society] Sign the Freedom of Information and 
Expression-Declaration!
Date: 	Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:45:20 +0100
From: 	Christian Fuchs <christian.fuchs at uti.at>
Reply-To: 	christian.fuchs at uti.at
To: 	discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net



The information society, the Internet and the media are today largely
controlled by large corporations such as Google and Facebook and a
state-industrial complex. The control mechanisms unveiled by Edward
Snowden, the closure of and attack against public service media,
repression against critcal journalists, online platforms and activists,
and a highly centralised Internet and media economy are characteristic
for this situation.

We live in an unfree information society with limits to expression and
an unfree Internet.

Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression Declaration that demands
a free Internet, free media and a free information society!

The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression
Sign:
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/

More information and videos of talks from the Freedom of Information
Conference:
http://freedom-of-information.info/
https://www.youtube.com/user/transformeurope/feed

-----------------------

The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression

This petition can be signed online at
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/


We, the speakers of the Vienna 2014 International Conference “Freedom of
Information Under Pressure. Control – Crisis – Culture” (comprised of
international academics, media practitioners, librarians, experts of
open culture and public space, activists, critical citizens, lawyers and
policy makers), sign the following Declaration on Freedom of Information
and Expression:

Having met in Vienna of Austria on 28 February and 1 March 2014 and
having discussed the challenges of freedom of information in the light
of the recent surveillance revelations and the increase in censorship
and prosecutions of media, journalists and whistle-blowers in Europe and
beyond, we express our deep concern and appeal for public vigilance to
defend freedom of information and expression as key democratic rights.

We consider Edward Snowden’s revelations as a wake up call. His story is
not about one man leaking classified information; rather it is about
privacy, civil liberties, power and democracy. But also about the future
of the Internet itself, the nature of democratic oversight - and much more.

We condemn the existence of a surveillance-industrial complex, in which
the American, British and other European states’ intelligence services
conduct mass surveillance of the Internet, social media, mobile and
landline telephones, in co-operation with communications corporations
such as Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Skype, Yahoo!, Aol as well
as private security firms.

We express our solidarity and support to whistle-blowers, journalists
and organisations, including Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Chelsea
Manning, Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian and others, for
their efforts towards fostering transparency and public accountability.
We denounce their oppression and prosecution that we consider as a major
threat to freedom of information.

We observe a great paradox of the media in the 21st century: although
more people than ever have the means to express themselves freely, there
are huge power asymmetries that favour corporate and state control of
the media: journalists in Europe and many other regions face an alarming
increase in violent attacks, intimidation, legal threats and other
restrictions on their work. Among the important factors of this paradox
are the growth of anti-terrorism laws and new nationalisms, the fusion
of political, economic and media power, and the weakening of the
authority of critical and high-quality media, including independent
media, investigative journalism and public service media. Furthermore,
the Internet and social media are largely controlled by corporations and
there is not enough material support for alternative Internet and media
projects. This mix seems to represent an existential challenge to
critical media, independent journalism and to the established framework
of international laws and safeguards for press freedom and the freedoms
of expression, speech, information and opinion.

We point out that the current crisis and austerity policies have a
serious negative effect on important democratic freedoms. The official
political reactions to the crisis have given grounds for the further
centralisation of corporate, state and media power that undermine the
freedom of information and further the prosecutions of citizens,
activists, journalists and the media. We particularly condemn attempts
to limit or close down critical, independent and public service media.
The Greek government’s closure of the public service broadcaster ERT is
in this respect a particularly alarming development.

We stress that under the conditions of corporatisation and
bureaucratisation, the potentials created by access to information and
public knowledge are hampered. In many countries and at a transnational
level we lack adequate laws for the transparency of corporate and state
power and citizens’ access to information about it in order to hold
those in power accountable.

A particularly alarming development of the limitation of freedom of
information can be found in the world of libraries: large corporate
publishers tend to license access to academic and literary works only in
expensive bundles and make the access to easy-to-use e-books difficult
and expensive. The result is a limit of public access to cultural works
so that people have more and more to rely on purchasing books and
articles, which is a matter of purchasing power that disadvantages many
citizens. The corporate power of publishing houses thereby limits the
public’s right to inform itself.

We consider that the right of access to information can promote
citizens’ civic and political participation by raising their levels of
trust in political and policy-making institutions, while it can fight
phenomena such as lobbying and corruption. Open access to public and
digitised knowledge and scholarly research is also crucial for the
continuous education of the broader public and professionals, the
promotion of cultural production and diversity and the preservation of
the historic and collective memory. New social media, libraries and
archives can and should play an important role in this field.

We are convinced that freedom of information is a value worth struggling
for and that the current framework and developments strongly threaten
freedom, democracy and basic civil liberties.

A free culture, a free economy of information and a free polity of
information are possible!

First signees:
Antonis Broumas (Attorney at law, Digital Liberation Network, Greece)
Arne Hintz (Lecturer, University of Cardiff, UK)
Augustine Zenakos (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece)
Barbara Trionfi (Press Freedom Manager, International Press Institute)
Christian Fuchs (Professor of Social Media, University of Westminster, UK)
Dimitris Tsapogas (Researcher, University of Vienna, Austria)
Gerfried Sperl (Journalist, PHOENIX, Austria)
Gill Phillips (Director of Editorial Legal Service, The Guardian, United
Kingdom)
Joachim Losehand (Scholar, VIBE!at, Austria)
Kostas Arvanitis (Journalist and Director, Sto Kokkino Radio, Greece)
Kostas Efimeros (Publisher, The Press Project, Greece)
Lisa Schilhan (VÖB, University of Graz, Austria)
Mariniki Alevizopoulou (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece)
Minas Samatas (Professor, University of Crete, Greece)
Miyase Christensen (Professor, Stockholm University, Royal Institute of
Technology, Sweden, London School of Economics, UK)
Nikolaus Hamann (Vienna Public Libraries, KRIBIBI, Austria)
Paloma Fernández de la Hoz (Catholic Social Academy, Austria)







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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 13:14:15 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:14:15 -0700
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model
In-Reply-To: <CAMz5XN41OGxhFRHk8+eN6HV_wu2VGVn3zcg_8RqaFQ+W126hSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMz5XN5N10h2GQ0b_cr5c2juYh62WKzd15bLh15Fp6wcQ5=DjQ@mail.gmail.com> <CF62FC0A.3DB4C%vanda@uol.com.br> <CAMz5XN41OGxhFRHk8+eN6HV_wu2VGVn3zcg_8RqaFQ+W126hSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03f701cf4f60$241f4ec0$6c5dec40$@gmail.com>

I think the operative term there is not "multi" but "stakeholder" and the
use of that term rather than referring for example to "the Internet as a
global public good" tells it all I think.

 

M

 

From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Deirdre Williams
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 8:01 AM
To: Vanda Scartezini
Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model

 

That was my perception too - that "multi"= diversity. But the document I
shared, whoever created it :-), suggests a different perception - that
"multi" simply equals more than one, many.

Looking at things from different perspectives is often helpful in reaching
an understanding.

Deirdre

 

On 3 April 2014 10:54, Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote:

Not from my perception. Multi will need direct interested companies, users
companies, interested governments ,interested users, organised civil society
+ the engineering group.

Vanda Scartezini

Polo Consultores Associados

Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004

01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil

Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 <tel:%2B55%2011%203266.6253> 

Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 <tel:%2B%2055%2011%2098181.1464>  

 

 

 

 

From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,
"williams.deirdre at gmail.com" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 16:21
To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model

 

The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee
on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability,
Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet
<http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ensuring-security-stability-resilie
nce-and-freedom-global-internet> in Washington DC has just finished. The
information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-2014040
2-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National
Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of
14th March "to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder
community". Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The
Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section:

ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet
standards 

under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments,
Internet users, 

corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that
develop the technology that 

makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments
that participate in 

the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the
Internet. The Internet 

Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the
Internet Engineering 

Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively
organized under the 

international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and
all work to create 

voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all
networks easier. The 

flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the
"multistakeholder model," is what has 

enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce,
social discourse, and 

innovation. 

Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you
count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that
each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify
as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as "
the engineering corps of the Internet". 

So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing?

Deirdre

 

-- 
"The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 13:14:15 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:14:15 -0700
Subject: [governance] Net Neutrality: A Great Step Forward for the Free
  Internet!
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Net Neutrality: A Great Step Forward for the Free Internet!
Submitted on 3 Apr 2014 - 11:46

http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-f
ree-internet

Brussels, 3 April 2014 — Today the European Parliament adopted in first
reading the Regulation on the Single Telecoms Market. By amending the text
with the proposal of amendments made by the Social-Democrats (S&D), Greens
(Greens/EFA), United Left (GUE/NGL) and Liberals (ALDE), the Members of the
European Parliament took a historic step for the protection of Net
Neutrality and the Internet commons in the European Union. La Quadrature du
Net warmly thanks all citizens, organisations and parliamentarians who took
part in this campaign, and calls on them to remain mobilised for the rest of
the legislative procedure.

After years of inaction and only a few months before the end of her term in
office, EU Commissioner Neelie Kroes1 presented a proposal for the
regulation of the Telecom Single Market in Europe in September 2013.
Although it claimed to contain a real defence of Net Neutrality, it in fact
introduced a version of the principle that stripped it of all real meaning.
Despite much criticism2, Kroes rushed the adoption by the European
Parliament so that it could be voted before the European elections of May
2014.

This positive vote is the direct result of a very strong citizen
mobilisation3 and the constructive work of Amelia Andersdotter (Greens/EFA –
SE), Catherine Trautmann (S&D – FR), Petra Kammerevert (S&D – DE) and
Marietje Schaake (ALDE – NL). The adopted text contains a rigorous
definition of Net Neutrality and grants it a normative scope4.
While allowing telecom operators to develop offers of Internet access with a
quality of service optimised for specific applications that could not run
effectively on the so-called "best-effort" Internet, this text provides a
good framework for "specialised services" that ensures non-discrimination
between the providers of such applications5.

Support La Quadrature du Net!

Even if some amendments that aimed to give the text greater coherence and
clarity or lay out stronger enforcement mechanisms were not adopted, the
text passed today represents a clear victory for the protection of the free
Internet. This is especially true in comparison of Neelie Kroes' original
proposal. La Quadrature du Net warmly thanks all citizens and organisations
who took part in this campaign for Net Neutrality, as well as the MEPs who
fought hard for the free Internet in the last days of their mandate.

In the coming weeks, as the legislative procedure on the regulation will
proceed to its next phase, we must maintain the greatest vigilance. It is
now to the Council of the European Union (which, along with the European
Parliament, is the EU co-legislator), to deliberate next 5 and
6 juin of this year. As national governments are easily influenced by
dominant telecom groups, continued public interest and mobilisation is now
necessary to ensure that the improvements to the text achieved today are not
dismantled6.

“Today's victory on Net neutrality is the most important one for the
protection of freedom online in Europe since the rejection of ACTA in July
2012. The EU Parliament made clear that the Internet commons should be free
of corporate capture, and remain a space where freedom of communication and
innovation can thrive. We warmly thank all organisations, citizens, and
members of the EU Parliament who worked to achieve this result. We should
now all remain watchful for the remainder of the procedure, as the text now
goes to the EU Council where many national governments will seek to
undermine Net neutrality provisions so as to please their homegrown telecom
oligopolies. Even though we won today, the fight for the free Internet
continues!” concluded Félix Tréguer, co-founder of the advocacy group La
Quadrature du Net.


    1. Neelie Kroes is the European Commissioner for “Digital Agenda”.
In the months following her appointment as Commissioner in 2010, her
position on the question of Net Neutrality evolved from unmitigated support
to an alignement with the demands of telecom operators' lobbies.

    2. A leaked criticism of a draft by Viviane Reding's services says for
example that “such limited possibilities of accessing Internet content and
services of their choice would run counter to the stated objectives of the
EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.”:
http://www.edri.org/NN-negativeopinions
    The European Data Protection Supervisor wrote in a press release
published on 15 November that Neelie Kroes' proposal voids the principle of
Net Neutrality “of substance" "because of the almost unlimited right of
providers to manage Internet traffic”.

    3. The number of phone calls to MEPs for this vote even surpassed the
one for the final vote on ACTA in 2012.

    4. See articles 2.14, 23.1 and paragraph 1.

    5. See articles 2.15 and 23.2.

    6. For instance, only a few hours before today's vote, the French
government joined the corporate lobbies to support [FR] a definition of
"specialised services" that is incompatible with a real definition of Net
Neutrality an the principle of non-discrimiation. This provides an idea of
what will be the forces at work in the Council. It is therefore essential
not to let this topic leave the public eye and collectively remind national
governments of where the public interest lies in the Net Neutrality debate.


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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Apr  3 16:22:52 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:22:52 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST FRI: The Future of Internet Governance
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk37SyQfvQj-O_dF0MMPRSH79JGEdwn4fQ-OgADF9xGJ=A@mail.gmail.com>

The beat goes on! Another chance to hear Larry and Fadi explain the Fadi
plan, but this time with McDowell and Verveer. McDowell, it should be
remembered was the first U.S. official to raise the
alarm<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/2966>over WCIT.

   joly posted: "On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson Institute
will host a discussion The Future of Internet Governance in Washington DC.
The topic will be the IANA transition. Speakers include Assistant Secretary
of Commerce Larry Strickling, ICANN CEO Fadi Che"

 [image: Hudson Institute]On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson
Institute <http://hudson.org> will host a discussion *The Future of
Internet Governance*<http://www.hudson.org/events/1144-the-future-of-internet-governance-a-discussion-with-icann-s-ceo-the-head-of-the-ntia-and-more42014>in
Washington DC. The topic will be the IANA
transition <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6393>. Speakers include Assistant
Secretary of Commerce *Larry Strickling*, ICANN CEO *Fadi Chehadé*, former
FCC Commissioner *Robert M. McDowell*, and Ambassador *Daniel A. Sepulveda*,
who is the U.S. Coordinator for International Communications and
Information Policy. The event will be webcast live.

*What*: The Future of Internet
Governance<http://www.hudson.org/events/1144-the-future-of-internet-governance-a-discussion-with-icann-s-ceo-the-head-of-the-ntia-and-more42014>
*Where*: Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C.
*When*: Friday April 4 2014 at 11am-12.30pm EDT | 1500-1630 UTC
*Webcast*: http://www.hudson.org/
*Twitter*: #iana <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IANA&src=hash&f=realtime>|
@HudsonInstitute<https://twitter.com/search?q=HudsonInstitute&src=typd&f=realtime>

 Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6530#respond>    See all
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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Apr  3 16:25:48 2014
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:25:48 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: WEBCAST FRI: The Future of Internet Governance
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Strike Verveer and insert Sepulveda!


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

>
> The beat goes on! Another chance to hear Larry and Fadi explain the Fadi
> plan, but this time with McDowell and Verveer. McDowell, it should be
> remembered was the first U.S. official to raise the alarm<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/2966>over WCIT.
>
>    joly posted: "On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson Institute
> will host a discussion The Future of Internet Governance in Washington DC.
> The topic will be the IANA transition. Speakers include Assistant Secretary
> of Commerce Larry Strickling, ICANN CEO Fadi Che"
>
>  [image: Hudson Institute]On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson
> Institute <http://hudson.org> will host a discussion *The Future of
> Internet Governance*<http://www.hudson.org/events/1144-the-future-of-internet-governance-a-discussion-with-icann-s-ceo-the-head-of-the-ntia-and-more42014>in Washington DC. The topic will be the IANA
> transition <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6393>. Speakers include Assistant
> Secretary of Commerce *Larry Strickling*, ICANN CEO *Fadi Chehadé*,
> former FCC Commissioner *Robert M. McDowell*, and Ambassador *Daniel A.
> Sepulveda*, who is the U.S. Coordinator for International Communications
> and Information Policy. The event will be webcast live.
>
> *What*: The Future of Internet Governance<http://www.hudson.org/events/1144-the-future-of-internet-governance-a-discussion-with-icann-s-ceo-the-head-of-the-ntia-and-more42014>
> *Where*: Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C.
> *When*: Friday April 4 2014 at 11am-12.30pm EDT | 1500-1630 UTC
> *Webcast*: http://www.hudson.org/
> *Twitter*: #iana<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IANA&src=hash&f=realtime>|
> @HudsonInstitute<https://twitter.com/search?q=HudsonInstitute&src=typd&f=realtime>
>
>  Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6530#respond>    See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6530#comments>
>
>
> *Permalink*:
> http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6530
>
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 16:35:11 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:35:11 -0400
Subject: [governance] Twitter in Turkey
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN56fiC5-g2ng3QwJz3eoi+Q5_N9XL=6n3bRwQpX8m584g@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26873603
Deirdre

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From soekpe at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 18:43:51 2014
From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:43:51 +0100
Subject: [governance] Twitter in Turkey
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True Justice from the Court.

Sonigitu Ekpe

Mobile +234 805 0232 469    Office + 234 802 751 0179
 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving"



On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com
> wrote:

> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26873603
> Deirdre
>
> --
> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Apr  3 20:08:25 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 05:38:25 +0530
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [ICTs-and-Society] Sign the Freedom of
 Information and Expression-Declaration!
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The language right at the beginning starts making a set of assumptions that make me reject wanting to sign any part of it without reading further.

The fact that you endorse it - with a very similar description that, again, rejects multistakeholderism that involves industry - makes it conclusive.  No, I won't touch this "declaration" (or rather vaguely worded rant) with a twenty foot pole, sorry.

--srs (iPad)

> On 03-Apr-2014, at 22:11, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Some real freedom of information work, which is not merely fronting for economic and political expansionism through the Internet and informational control route...  parminder 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:	[ICTs-and-Society] Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression-Declaration!
> Date:	Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:45:20 +0100
> From:	Christian Fuchs <christian.fuchs at uti.at>
> Reply-To:	christian.fuchs at uti.at
> To:	discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net
> 
> The information society, the Internet and the media are today largely 
> controlled by large corporations such as Google and Facebook and a 
> state-industrial complex. The control mechanisms unveiled by Edward 
> Snowden, the closure of and attack against public service media, 
> repression against critcal journalists, online platforms and activists, 
> and a highly centralised Internet and media economy are characteristic 
> for this situation.
> 
> We live in an unfree information society with limits to expression and 
> an unfree Internet.
> 
> Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression Declaration that demands 
> a free Internet, free media and a free information society!
> 
> The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression
> Sign:
> https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/
> 
> More information and videos of talks from the Freedom of Information 
> Conference:
> http://freedom-of-information.info/
> https://www.youtube.com/user/transformeurope/feed
> 
> -----------------------
> 
> The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression
> 
> This petition can be signed online at
> https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/ 
> 
> 
> We, the speakers of the Vienna 2014 International Conference “Freedom of 
> Information Under Pressure. Control – Crisis – Culture” (comprised of 
> international academics, media practitioners, librarians, experts of 
> open culture and public space, activists, critical citizens, lawyers and 
> policy makers), sign the following Declaration on Freedom of Information 
> and Expression:
> 
> Having met in Vienna of Austria on 28 February and 1 March 2014 and 
> having discussed the challenges of freedom of information in the light 
> of the recent surveillance revelations and the increase in censorship 
> and prosecutions of media, journalists and whistle-blowers in Europe and 
> beyond, we express our deep concern and appeal for public vigilance to 
> defend freedom of information and expression as key democratic rights.
> 
> We consider Edward Snowden’s revelations as a wake up call. His story is 
> not about one man leaking classified information; rather it is about 
> privacy, civil liberties, power and democracy. But also about the future 
> of the Internet itself, the nature of democratic oversight - and much more.
> 
> We condemn the existence of a surveillance-industrial complex, in which 
> the American, British and other European states’ intelligence services 
> conduct mass surveillance of the Internet, social media, mobile and 
> landline telephones, in co-operation with communications corporations 
> such as Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Skype, Yahoo!, Aol as well 
> as private security firms.
> 
> We express our solidarity and support to whistle-blowers, journalists 
> and organisations, including Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Chelsea 
> Manning, Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian and others, for 
> their efforts towards fostering transparency and public accountability. 
> We denounce their oppression and prosecution that we consider as a major 
> threat to freedom of information.
> 
> We observe a great paradox of the media in the 21st century: although 
> more people than ever have the means to express themselves freely, there 
> are huge power asymmetries that favour corporate and state control of 
> the media: journalists in Europe and many other regions face an alarming 
> increase in violent attacks, intimidation, legal threats and other 
> restrictions on their work. Among the important factors of this paradox 
> are the growth of anti-terrorism laws and new nationalisms, the fusion 
> of political, economic and media power, and the weakening of the 
> authority of critical and high-quality media, including independent 
> media, investigative journalism and public service media. Furthermore, 
> the Internet and social media are largely controlled by corporations and 
> there is not enough material support for alternative Internet and media 
> projects. This mix seems to represent an existential challenge to 
> critical media, independent journalism and to the established framework 
> of international laws and safeguards for press freedom and the freedoms 
> of expression, speech, information and opinion.
> 
> We point out that the current crisis and austerity policies have a 
> serious negative effect on important democratic freedoms. The official 
> political reactions to the crisis have given grounds for the further 
> centralisation of corporate, state and media power that undermine the 
> freedom of information and further the prosecutions of citizens, 
> activists, journalists and the media. We particularly condemn attempts 
> to limit or close down critical, independent and public service media. 
> The Greek government’s closure of the public service broadcaster ERT is 
> in this respect a particularly alarming development.
> 
> We stress that under the conditions of corporatisation and 
> bureaucratisation, the potentials created by access to information and 
> public knowledge are hampered. In many countries and at a transnational 
> level we lack adequate laws for the transparency of corporate and state 
> power and citizens’ access to information about it in order to hold 
> those in power accountable.
> 
> A particularly alarming development of the limitation of freedom of 
> information can be found in the world of libraries: large corporate 
> publishers tend to license access to academic and literary works only in 
> expensive bundles and make the access to easy-to-use e-books difficult 
> and expensive. The result is a limit of public access to cultural works 
> so that people have more and more to rely on purchasing books and 
> articles, which is a matter of purchasing power that disadvantages many 
> citizens. The corporate power of publishing houses thereby limits the 
> public’s right to inform itself.
> 
> We consider that the right of access to information can promote 
> citizens’ civic and political participation by raising their levels of 
> trust in political and policy-making institutions, while it can fight 
> phenomena such as lobbying and corruption. Open access to public and 
> digitised knowledge and scholarly research is also crucial for the 
> continuous education of the broader public and professionals, the 
> promotion of cultural production and diversity and the preservation of 
> the historic and collective memory. New social media, libraries and 
> archives can and should play an important role in this field.
> 
> We are convinced that freedom of information is a value worth struggling 
> for and that the current framework and developments strongly threaten 
> freedom, democracy and basic civil liberties.
> 
> A free culture, a free economy of information and a free polity of 
> information are possible!
> 
> First signees:
> Antonis Broumas (Attorney at law, Digital Liberation Network, Greece)
> Arne Hintz (Lecturer, University of Cardiff, UK)
> Augustine Zenakos (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece)
> Barbara Trionfi (Press Freedom Manager, International Press Institute)
> Christian Fuchs (Professor of Social Media, University of Westminster, UK)
> Dimitris Tsapogas (Researcher, University of Vienna, Austria)
> Gerfried Sperl (Journalist, PHOENIX, Austria)
> Gill Phillips (Director of Editorial Legal Service, The Guardian, United 
> Kingdom)
> Joachim Losehand (Scholar, VIBE!at, Austria)
> Kostas Arvanitis (Journalist and Director, Sto Kokkino Radio, Greece)
> Kostas Efimeros (Publisher, The Press Project, Greece)
> Lisa Schilhan (VÖB, University of Graz, Austria)
> Mariniki Alevizopoulou (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece)
> Minas Samatas (Professor, University of Crete, Greece)
> Miyase Christensen (Professor, Stockholm University, Royal Institute of 
> Technology, Sweden, London School of Economics, UK)
> Nikolaus Hamann (Vienna Public Libraries, KRIBIBI, Austria)
> Paloma Fernández de la Hoz (Catholic Social Academy, Austria)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Apr  3 20:13:31 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 05:43:31 +0530
Subject: [governance] Twitter in Turkey
In-Reply-To: <CALLeeavS_pYm1LgbBWOKJKpcoNVrAL-fmJ361LCM2nMBsYYXhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMz5XN56fiC5-g2ng3QwJz3eoi+Q5_N9XL=6n3bRwQpX8m584g@mail.gmail.com> <CALLeeavS_pYm1LgbBWOKJKpcoNVrAL-fmJ361LCM2nMBsYYXhw@mail.gmail.com>
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Right after that, there's a further block ordered on Youtube. It will be interesting to see how this progresses.

--srs (iPad)

> On 04-Apr-2014, at 4:13, Sonigitu Ekpe <soekpe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> True Justice from the Court.
> 
> Sonigitu Ekpe 
> 
> Mobile +234 805 0232 469    Office + 234 802 751 0179 
>  "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26873603
>> Deirdre
>> 
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From karl at cavebear.com  Thu Apr  3 23:47:50 2014
From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 20:47:50 -0700
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
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References: <CAJwbTiBLsR+=qzQmS0pc7dAg1uwZQ5AOchUxXeM_uiYVDGSWKA@mail.gmail.com> <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <CACTo+v8DWB3CeJLY27e-LLaKYGLd_hqN8ExR2QFAvUB=gMyNSA@mail.gmail.com> <EC2F38A1-197C-4B43-8314-FC3200077046@cavebear.com> <CACTo+v8XCqRtZxMEWVFJ3fSg6mQO+poYUQeGdWBFgroAS_qc3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On 04/01/2014 05:25 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:

> My question is this: Is this answer of yours also an answer (if only
> indirectly) to the question of DNS as public good. Well, assuming one
> can formulate a definition of public good without positively relying on
> the concept of property as culturally overloaded as it is -- but then
> again if the implication of your repeated answer is that such
> formulation of a definition of 'public good' is impossible, then yes
> your repeated answer is the only thing I can get.
> 
> Is the unbundling of rights and duties (on specific pieces/instances of
> the DNS) the only way you see fit for the question of the DNS (as a
> whole) as possible public good, too?  

Almost any given thing is a blend of useful/good and bad - rights to
benefit from that thing in some way and obligations that arise.  (We
often tend to overlook those obligations.)

Sometimes those benefits accrue to - and obligations fall upon - each
individual person equally or upon all of us as a community.  I would
suggest that those kinds of things are "public" values.

Other times those benefits and obligations are more focused on a single
identifiable person (a natural human or a legal creation such as a
corporation).  I would suggest that those kind of things are "private"
values.

When we talk about private property we tend to mean things that land
mostly in that latter category, but still (we hope) remember that even
the most private of things tends to be subject to the public in some way
(often in some way that occurs more as an exception rather than the norm.)

So the problem I've wrestled with is what kind of principles can we use
to balance those public interests with the private ones.

Here's what I came up with:

First Law of the Internet
http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000059.html

+ Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way
  that is privately beneficial without being publicly
  detrimental.

   - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall
     be on those who wish to prevent the private use.

       - Such a demonstration shall require clear and
         convincing evidence of public detriment.

   - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent
     as to justify the suppression of the private activity.

I have found this useful.  However, it represents a balance between "me"
and "we" that tends to favor the former over the latter.  That may be a
balance that reflects my US/Canadian roots.  It would not surprise me to
learn that people from other cultures would strike a different balance.

To my mind, finding these kinds of statements of principle would be
useful to help us navigate our way through the maze of choices that we
have to make as we figure out how to govern - or not govern - various
aspects of the internet.

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From nnenna75 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 02:52:17 2014
From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 06:52:17 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF Assessments Call
 for information
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There is something unsettling  to me about this call. And I have been
debating with my self:

   1. Why is IGF asking for  "actions and decisions" now?
   2. Why are actions being requested in a forum whose main objective is to
   "discuss"?
   3. Why only "the current slate"?
   4. Are we looking at only the "UN" IGFs or regional, subregional or even
   country IGFs?
   5. If a meeting held on margin of an IGF led to some action, can that be
   reported?

TOL (Thinking Out Loud)


N


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Fatima Cambronero <
fatimacambronero at gmail.com> wrote:

> *(Sorry for cross posting. It includes a correct email address to send
> your comments).*
>
>
>
>  *The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet
> governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform
> for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible
> solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and
> disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.*
>
>
>
> *Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested that no
> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that it
> is just a "talk shop".*
>
>
>
> *In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and decisions
> that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the
> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs
> (international, regional or national).*
>
>
>
> *In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
> institutions that would be willing to share information, on a voluntary
> basis, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a result
> of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013
> IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF Secretariat (*
> *discussion_questions at intgovforum.org*<discussion_questions at intgovforum.org>*)
> by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat will compile all information received and
> will present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF.*
>
>
>
> *Thank you for your participation*
>
>
>
> *Janis Karklins*
>
> *Interim Chair of the MAG*
>
>
>
>
> 2014-04-01 6:31 GMT-03:00 Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>:
>
>>  Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if
>> possible.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for
>> information  Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300  From: Janis Karklins
>> <karklinsj at gmail.com> <karklinsj at gmail.com>  To:
>> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org><igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>
>>  Dear MAG members,
>> As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for
>> information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been
>> taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs.
>> Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization
>> provide a brief account.
>> Thank you
>> JK
>>
>>
>>
>> The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
>> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on
>> Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide
>> a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and
>> possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify
>> and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no
>> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that
>> it is just a "talk shop".
>>
>>
>>
>> In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
>> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and
>> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the
>> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national).
>>
>>
>>
>> In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
>> institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary
>> basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a
>> result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011,
>> 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat
>> will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report
>> at the Istanbul IGF.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your participation
>>
>>
>>
>> Janis Karklins
>>
>> Interim Chair of the MAG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> IRP mailing list
>> IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>> https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp
>>
>>
>
>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Apr  4 03:22:24 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 12:52:24 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] [bestbits] Re: IGF Assessments Call
 for information
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On Friday 04 April 2014 12:22 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote:
> There is something unsettling  to me about this call. And I have been 
> debating with my self:
>
>  1. Why is IGF asking for  "actions and decisions" now?
>  2. Why are actions being requested in a forum whose main objective is
>     to "discuss"?
>

Since you asked, let me be frank if blunt...

Because there is a great amount of activity and discussion going on 
about gaps in global governance of the Internet with regard to public 
policy 'making' (the enhanced cooperation debate) and there is much 
effort to posit the argument that 'the IGF is enough' , whereby no 
specific public policy 'making' mechanism is needed.

And since you rightly point out, IGF is to 'discuss' and that should 
normally not be enough, a somewhat desperate case is being made out that 
such discussions have led to necessary actions (and thus IGF is enough)

I agree, it is unsettling. IGF and its duty holders should stay neutral 
in this larger debate and not support any one side . They should just to 
their job, which is to convene and inefficiently run a global 
multistakeholder public policy dialogue

parminder
>
>  1. Why only "the current slate"?
>  2. Are we looking at only the "UN" IGFs or regional, subregional or
>     even country IGFs?
>  3. If a meeting held on margin of an IGF led to some action, can that
>     be reported?
>
> TOL (Thinking Out Loud)
>
>
> N
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Fatima Cambronero 
> <fatimacambronero at gmail.com <mailto:fatimacambronero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     *(Sorry for cross posting. It includes a correct email address to
>     send your comments).*
>
>
>     *
>     *
>
>     /The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on
>     the Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform
>     on Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to
>     provide a platform for information exchange, identify emerging
>     challenges and possible solutions to addressing them, provide
>     capacity building, identify and disseminate best practices and
>     forge partnerships for concrete actions./
>
>     //
>
>     /Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested
>     that no actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at
>     the IGF - that it is just a "talk shop"./
>
>     //
>
>     /In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation"
>     of the IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete
>     actions and decisions that have been taken by different
>     stakeholders as a result of the engagement and discussions of
>     Internet related issues at the various IGFs (international,
>     regional or national)./
>
>     //
>
>     /In this respect, I would like to invite all of those
>     organizations and institutions that would be willing to share
>     information, *on a voluntary basis*, about concrete decisions or
>     actions that have been taken as a result of engagement during the
>     current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so
>     by sending brief information to the IGF Secretariat
>     (//discussion_questions at intgovforum.org/
>     <mailto:discussion_questions at intgovforum.org>/) by 30 June 2014.
>     The Secretariat will compile all information received and will
>     present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF./
>
>     //
>
>     /Thank you for your participation/
>
>     //
>
>     /Janis Karklins/
>
>     /Interim Chair of the MAG/
>
>
>
>     2014-04-01 6:31 GMT-03:00 Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org
>     <mailto:anriette at apc.org>>:
>
>         Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good
>         if possible.
>
>         Anriette
>
>
>
>         -------- Original Message --------
>         Subject: 	[IGFmaglist] Call for information
>         Date: 	Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300
>         From: 	Janis Karklins <karklinsj at gmail.com>
>         <mailto:karklinsj at gmail.com>
>         To: 	igfmaglist at intgovforum.org
>         <mailto:igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>         <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org> <mailto:igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>
>
>
>         Dear MAG members,
>         As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the
>         call for information concerning the concrete actions and
>         decisions that have been taken as a result of the engagement
>         at the various IGFs.
>         Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage
>         organization provide a brief account.
>         Thank you
>         JK
>
>         The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit
>         on the Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion
>         platform on Internet governance related issues. The goals of
>         the IGF are to provide a platform for information exchange,
>         identify emerging challenges and possible solutions to
>         addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and
>         disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete
>         actions.
>
>         Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have
>         suggested that no actions have been taken and that no
>         decisions are made at the IGF - that it is just a "talk shop".
>
>         In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action
>         orientation" of the IGF it would be useful to collect data
>         about concrete actions and decisions that have been taken by
>         different stakeholders as a result of the engagement and
>         discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs
>         (international, regional or national).
>
>         In this respect, I would like to invite all of those
>         organizations and institutions that would be willing to share
>         information, *on a voluntary basis*, about concrete decisions
>         or actions that have been taken as a result of engagement
>         during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013
>         IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF
>         Secretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The
>         Secretariat will compile all information received and will
>         present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF.
>
>         Thank you for your participation
>
>         Janis Karklins
>
>         Interim Chair of the MAG
>
>
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         IRP mailing list
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>         <mailto:IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
>         https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
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>
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From kichango at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 05:16:37 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:16:37 +0000
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
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On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com> wrote:

>
> Here's what I came up with:
>
> First Law of the Internet
> http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000059.html
>
> + Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way
>   that is privately beneficial without being publicly
>   detrimental.
>
>    - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall
>      be on those who wish to prevent the private use.
>
>        - Such a demonstration shall require clear and
>          convincing evidence of public detriment.
>
>    - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent
>      as to justify the suppression of the private activity.
>
> I have found this useful.  However, it represents a balance between "me"
> and "we" that tends to favor the former over the latter.  That may be a
> balance that reflects my US/Canadian roots.  It would not surprise me to
> learn that people from other cultures would strike a different balance.
>
> To my mind, finding these kinds of statements of principle would be
> useful to help us navigate our way through the maze of choices that we
> have to make as we figure out how to govern - or not govern - various
> aspects of the internet.
>

Thanks!
m.


>
>         --karl--
>
>
>
>
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From Guru at ITforChange.net  Fri Apr  4 06:13:07 2014
From: Guru at ITforChange.net (=?UTF-8?B?R3VydSDgpJfgpYHgpLDgpYE=?=)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:43:07 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: need for regulation ....
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In an earlier mail (below), I had discussed the need for the Google 
search engine (as the de facto organiser of the worlds information for 
most of us, hence the gatekeeper) to be functioning on a public 
accountability (and hence transparency) mode.  This will include public 
participation in the algorithm design, social/public/community audit of 
the algorithm to ensure there is no distortions being inserted in the 
algorithms to feed political/economic vested interests etc....

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/22838-facebook-and-the-future-of-global-governance 
discusses similar ideas regarding Facebook, which is fulfilling a 
critical social function, and hence, cannot be dictated purely by 
private profit considerations alone.... While article also makes some 
suggestions on ways forward, it is perhaps more important to first 
acknowledge that these are important points for global public policy 
making relating to IG.... and then discuss possibilities from a public 
interest advancement perspective.

regards
Guru

On 03/10/2014 03:56 PM, Guru गुरु wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Not clear, how in Multistakeholderism, where the private sector has an 
> equal footing in public policy making, we will get Google to agree 
> that its search algorithm, as the key factor organising the worlds 
> information/knowledge for all of us, needs to be public knowledge, not 
> a commercial secret. The need for it to be public knowledge stems from 
> privacy/surveillance concerns, because such fundamental knowledge 
> ought to be available as 'cultural commons' that others can 
> take/re-use/revise, fostering competition etc.
>
> regards,
> Guru
>
> Google faces Rs 30,500-cr fine in India
> New Delhi, PTI: March 9, 2014
>
>  Google can face a penalty of up to about $5 billion if it is found to 
> have violated competition norms of the country.  Google, which is 
> facing anti-trust investigation in India by fair trade watchdog 
> Competition Commission of India (CCI), can face a penalty of up to 
> about $5 billion (Rs 30,500 crore) if it is found to have violated 
> competition norms of the country.
>
> Google said it is “extending full cooperation” to the CCI in its 
> investigation. The conclusion of a two-year review by the US antitrust 
> watchdog has concluded that the company's services were good for 
> competition, it added. The case has been before the CCI for over two 
> years now, and it relates to allegations that Google is abusing its 
> dominant position. Under competition regulations, an entity found 
> violating the norms could be slapped with penalty of up to 10 per cent 
> of its three-year annual average turnover. In the case of Google, its 
> annual revenues in the last three years amounts to a staggering $49.3 
> billion (Rs 3.01 lakh crore), and the maximum penalty can be up to 
> nearly $5 billion.
>
> When asked about the ongoing probe and the potential penalty, a Google 
> spokesperson said: “We are extending full co-operation to the 
> Competition Commission of India in their investigation.”  The emailed 
> statement added: “We're pleased that the conclusion of the Federal 
> Trade Commission's two-year review was that Google's services are good 
> for users and good for competition.”
>
> A complaint filed with the CCI cannot be withdrawn. The complaint 
> against Google, also one of the world's most valued company, was first 
> filed by advocacy group CUTS International way back in late 2011. 
> Later. Matrimonial website matrimony.com Private Ltd also filed a 
> complaint. Last year, CCI chairman Ashok Chawla had said the complaint 
> was that the Google search engine favours platforms it wants to support.
>
> “That is, when you click on Google under a certain category, you will 
> get the platforms where there is a tendency to put them in a certain 
> order which may not be the fair and non-discriminatory. So, *what is 
> the software and what is the algorithmic search, (that is) what the 
> investigation team is looking at,” *Chawla had said.
>
> source - 
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/390977/google-faces-rs-30500-cr.html

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 12:28:58 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:28:58 -0700
Subject: [governance] FW: [JoCI] Special Issue: Building the First Mile of
 Broadband Connectivity + Invitation to Online Launch
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 9:24 AM
To: Michael Gurstein
Subject: [JoCI] Special Issue: Building the First Mile of Broadband Connectivity - Commun + Invitation to Online Launch

Readers:

The Journal of Community Informatics has just published its latest issue at http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej. We invite you to review the Table of Contents here and then visit our web site to review articles and items of interest.

We also invite you to an online launch of the special issue of the Journal of Community Informatics (JoCI) on the First Mile of Broadband Connectivity
- Communities Doing It for Themselves. Authors will speak about their research and the communities they are working with. We will also launch the Community Informatics declaration: An Internet for the Common Good.

Please join us for this exciting and informative event by watching the live stream and participating in the chat. The event will go live at 15:30 Atlantic Canada time on April 4: http://live.knet.ca/fni

Thanks for the continuing interest in our work, Michael Gurstein Ph.D.
Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics, Vancouver CANADA Phone 604-602-0624 gurstein at gmail.com

The Journal of Community Informatics
Vol 10, No 2 (2014): Special Issue: Building the First Mile Table of Contents
http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/issue/view/43

Editorial
--------
The First Mile of Brodband Connectivity in Communities: Introduction to the Special Issue
	Rob McMahon,	Duncan Philpot,	Susan O'Donnell,	Brian Beaton,	Tim
Whiteduck,	Kevin Burton,	Michael Gurstein

The Multistakeholder Model, Neo-liberalism and Global (Internet) Governance
	Michael Gurstein


Points of View
--------
The Ecology of Community Networking
	Richard Lowenberg


Articles
--------
The First Mile Approach to Community Services in Fort Severn First Nation
	Matthew Kakekaspan,	Susan O'Donnell,	Brian Beaton,	Brian Walmark,	Kerri
Gibson

Bridging the Divide: Understanding and Implementing Access to the Internet as a Human Right
	Michael Karanicolas

Understanding Broadband Infrastructure Development in Remote and Rural Communities – a Staged and Reflexive Approach
	Ingjerd Skogseid,	Ivar Petter Grøtte,	Geir Liavåg Strand

First Mile Challenges to Last Mile Rhetoric: Exploring the Discourse between Remote and Rural First Nations and the Telecom Industry
	Duncan Philpot,	Brian Beaton,	Tim Whiteduck

ICT for sustainable development: an example from Cambodia
	Helena Grunfeld

>From the First Mile to Outer Space: Tamaani Satellite Internet in Northern Quebec
	Rob McMahon,	Thomassie Mangiok

Opportunities and Challenges for First-mile Development in Rural Hawaiian Communities
	Jenifer Sunrise Winter,	Wayne Buente,	Patricia Amaral Buskirk

Developing an e-Community Approach to Community Services in Kitigan Zibi Anishinabeg First Nation
	Gilbert Whiteduck,	Anita Tenasco,	Susan O'Donnell,	Tim Whiteduck,	Emily
Lockhart

Local Communities and Home Rule: Extending the Alberta SuperNet to Unserved Areas
	Nadine I Kozak

The Cancellation of the Community Access Program and the Digital Divide(s) in Canada: Lessons Learned and Future Prospects
	Chris Blanton

An African Rural Internet Network, and its interactions with Academics
	Gertjan van Stam,	Darelle van Greunen


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--------
Building Broadband Infrastructure from the Grassroots: the Case of Home LANs in Belarus
	Aljona Zorina,	William H. Dutton

GoFred: Municipally-Owned ICT Utilities in Fredericton, New Brunswick
	Mike Richard,	Duncan Philpot

Rural Communications – What is a Rural Municipality’s Role?
	Allan Bly

Building First Nation Owned and Managed Fibre Networks across Quebec
	Tim Whiteduck,	Brian Beaton

Settler Colonialism and First Nations e-Communities in Northwestern Ontario
	Brian Beaton,	Peter Campbell

Information and Communication Technology for Education in an Algonquin First Nation in Quebec
	Emily Lockhart,	Anita Tenasco,	Tim Whiteduck,	Susan O'Donnell

The First Mile Connectivity Consortium and Digital Regulation in Canada
	Rob McMahon,	Heather Hudson,	Lyle Fabian


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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 13:42:32 2014
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Subject: [governance] FYI, An internet governance model for the 21st century
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From garth.graham at telus.net  Fri Apr  4 14:40:54 2014
From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 11:40:54 -0700
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
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While I admire the clarity of your first law, it feels to me that, when you define the corporate as a person and then state an onus on other "persons" to prove that a corporate action leads to public detriment, you get something backwards, particularly with respect to obligation, responsibility and accountability .  And, as an aside re values, I see obligation as a corollary of the Golden Rule.

In common law, the relation of the individual to the state still remains - that which is not stated is not implied.  As a Canadian, I am aware that my fellow Canadians often delay acting on their obligations because there might be a rule somewhere that forbids it.  That transference of responsibility on to the other is the dark side of being "nice." But the fact remains that, absent a rule that says otherwise, we are free to act without permission, keeping in mind that action has consequence for which we are responsible.  This is not true for corporations. They do become corporate within a framework of statutory instruments and regulations and so their authority to act can be and often is circumscribed by the state in many ways, particularly with respect to primary purpose.

I mention this because I want to introduce an aspect of accountability that nation states do not usually include in their authorization of incorporation.  This is an aspect of accountability that is also absent from discussions of Internet Governance.  This the obligation of decision-makers in corporations (and in governments, and in the decision makers in the Internet Governance ecosystem) to explain their intentions and reasons publicly, fully and fairly. BEFORE THEY ACT.  It is a responsibility of corporate management to provide adequate public explanation before the fact that they have addressed both the issue of the prevention of harm and the impact question of who benefits and who pays.  They are not free to act first and seek forgiveness later.  True, we do't demand or legislate they they do this, but we could and should.

Explanation before the fact has certain benefits (public goods):
  - It reduces driving forces reasonably seen as harmful
  - It allows for an action to define in advance its own standard by which it's effectiveness and fairness can be measured after the fact.
  - It allows knowledgeable citizen organizations and individuals to sensibly and publicly challenge those intentions and reasons. 

For example, while ICANN does have an elaborate "community" process of challenge and response related to its policy intentions before the fact of deciding them, its internal discussions of accountability still only assume after the fact explanations of its actions. ICANN has achieved a degree of effective process of accountability before the fact without including that process in its contemplation of mechanisms of accountability.

When you say, "Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way that is privately beneficial without being publicly detrimental," that feels to me like another acceptable corollary of the Golden Rule.  But then saying, "the burden of demonstrating public detriment (falls) on those who wish to prevent the private use," would seem to me to preclude the resolution of the impact question of who benefits and who pays before the fact of action.  Who benefits and who pays if we do that?

GG

On 2014-04-03, at 8:47 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote:

> Almost any given thing is a blend of useful/good and bad - rights to
> benefit from that thing in some way and obligations that arise.  (We
> often tend to overlook those obligations.)
> 
> Sometimes those benefits accrue to - and obligations fall upon - each
> individual person equally or upon all of us as a community.  I would
> suggest that those kinds of things are "public" values.
> 
> Other times those benefits and obligations are more focused on a single
> identifiable person (a natural human or a legal creation such as a
> corporation).  I would suggest that those kind of things are "private"
> values.
> 
> When we talk about private property we tend to mean things that land
> mostly in that latter category, but still (we hope) remember that even
> the most private of things tends to be subject to the public in some way
> (often in some way that occurs more as an exception rather than the norm.)
> 
> So the problem I've wrestled with is what kind of principles can we use
> to balance those public interests with the private ones.
> 
> Here's what I came up with:
> 
> First Law of the Internet
> http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000059.html
> 
> + Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way
>  that is privately beneficial without being publicly
>  detrimental.
> 
>   - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall
>     be on those who wish to prevent the private use.
> 
>       - Such a demonstration shall require clear and
>         convincing evidence of public detriment.
> 
>   - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent
>     as to justify the suppression of the private activity.
> 
> I have found this useful.  However, it represents a balance between "me"
> and "we" that tends to favor the former over the latter.  That may be a
> balance that reflects my US/Canadian roots.  It would not surprise me to
> learn that people from other cultures would strike a different balance.
> 
> To my mind, finding these kinds of statements of principle would be
> useful to help us navigate our way through the maze of choices that we
> have to make as we figure out how to govern - or not govern - various
> aspects of the internet.


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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>wrote:

>  Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible.
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for
> information  Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300  From: Janis Karklins
> <karklinsj at gmail.com> <karklinsj at gmail.com>  To:
> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org><igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>
>  Dear MAG members,
> As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for
> information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been
> taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs.
> Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization
> provide a brief account.
> Thank you
> JK
>
>
>
> The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet
> governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform
> for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible
> solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and
> disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.
>
>
>
> Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no
> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that
> it is just a "talk shop".
>
>
>
> In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and
> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the
> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national).
>
>
>
> In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
> institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary
> basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a
> result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012
> and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat
> will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report
> at the Istanbul IGF.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your participation
>
>
>
> Janis Karklins
>
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>
>
>
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From karl at cavebear.com  Fri Apr  4 15:46:54 2014
From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 12:46:54 -0700
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
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References: <CAJwbTiBLsR+=qzQmS0pc7dAg1uwZQ5AOchUxXeM_uiYVDGSWKA@mail.gmail.com> <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <CACTo+v8DWB3CeJLY27e-LLaKYGLd_hqN8ExR2QFAvUB=gMyNSA@mail.gmail.com> <EC2F38A1-197C-4B43-8314-FC3200077046@cavebear.com> <CACTo+v8XCqRtZxMEWVFJ3fSg6mQO+poYUQeGdWBFgroAS_qc3Q@mail.gmail.com> <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> <975F2E9D-B4F6-4ED3-82E2-E9AD06A1AC42@telus.net>
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On 04/04/2014 11:40 AM, Garth Graham wrote:

> While I admire the clarity of your first law, it feels to me that, when you define the corporate as a person...

I'd be among the last to want to assert that corporate forms are
persons.  ;-)

Take a look at http://cavebear.com/amendment/

But in the context of my "first law" formulation, I accept that
corporations are things that use the internet and that they should have
some ability parallel to that of natural humans to have private
interests and use the internet to advance those private interests - as
long as there is not a strong, concrete public interest to the contrary.

You mentioned measuring the benefits in advance of action.  I don't see
how that can work, particularly on the internet where it is difficult to
foresee benefits and malafits (that's a word I made up to mean the
opposite of a benefit).

Indeed, back in the late 1960's when the ideas of packet switching were
bouncing around (pun intended) the circuit switching telcos were very
actively trying to suppress those ideas by claiming that they would
damage the circuit switched universe.  Had it been necessary to make a
prediction at that time of the value of packet switching we might never
had had an IP based internet.

It is also interesting to look at the Hush-A-Phone case from which I
derived much of the original notion of the "first law" that I formulated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush-A-Phone_v._United_States

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From garth.graham at telus.net  Fri Apr  4 16:30:44 2014
From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 13:30:44 -0700
Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good]
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On 2014-04-04, at 12:46 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote:

> You mentioned measuring the benefits in advance of action.  I don't see how that can work, particularly on the internet where it is difficult to foresee benefits and malafits (that's a word I made up to mean the opposite of a benefit).

Not quite.  I mentioned that explanation before the fact … allows for an action to define in advance its own standard by which it's effectiveness and fairness can be measured after the fact.

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On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks, seen
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>wrote:
>
>>  Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if
>> possible.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for
>> information  Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300  From: Janis Karklins
>> <karklinsj at gmail.com> <karklinsj at gmail.com>  To:
>> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org><igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>
>>  Dear MAG members,
>> As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for
>> information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been
>> taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs.
>> Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization
>> provide a brief account.
>> Thank you
>> JK
>>
>>
>>
>> The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the
>> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on
>> Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide
>> a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and
>> possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify
>> and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no
>> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that
>> it is just a "talk shop".
>>
>>
>>
>> In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the
>> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and
>> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the
>> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national).
>>
>>
>>
>> In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and
>> institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary
>> basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a
>> result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011,
>> 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat
>> will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report
>> at the Istanbul IGF.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your participation
>>
>>
>>
>> Janis Karklins
>>
>> Interim Chair of the MAG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dvbirve at yandex.ru  Fri Apr  4 18:45:21 2014
From: dvbirve at yandex.ru (Shcherbovich Andrey)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 02:45:21 +0400
Subject: [governance] Workshop on 'Big Data and Human Rights'
Message-ID: <5666551396651521@web23m.yandex.ru>

Dear Colleagues!

The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in Istanbul  and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely.

Sincerely yours,
Andrey Shcherbovich

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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 19:59:48 2014
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 11:59:48 +1200
Subject: [governance] Workshop on 'Big Data and Human Rights'
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Andrey wondering whether you would be interested in inviting a perspective
from the World Bank and can hook you up witb their Big Data specialist.

Really awesome that you are organising a ws in this.

Sala
On 5 Apr 2014 10:45, "Shcherbovich Andrey" <dvbirve at yandex.ru> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues!
>
> The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big
> Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in
> Istanbul  and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this
> topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Andrey Shcherbovich
>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Apr  5 00:14:16 2014
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 00:14:16 -0400
Subject: [governance] Workshop on 'Big Data and Human Rights'
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I am very interested in this topic, on the data protection side, and am writing about it.  I have not figured out how to get funding for the Istanbul conference as yet, but would gladly join the workshop either in person or remotely.
Stephanie Perrin
Canada
On 2014-04-04, at 6:45 PM, Shcherbovich Andrey wrote:

> Dear Colleagues!
> 
> The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in Istanbul  and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> Andrey Shcherbovich
> 
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Sat Apr  5 05:38:09 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 15:08:09 +0530
Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested
Message-ID: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net>

Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought 
funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information 
about how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person 
with this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to 
provide it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has 
received an email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support 
her/his travel for the meeting.)

It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process 
worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants 
who were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual 
funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a 
centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ 
considered?  Whether there are other funders too making such a direct 
approach? Who are the funders and what amounts have been committed?

If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant 
declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential 
problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind 
of funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, 
especially those who work in their own activity area , and under what 
conditions.

I request early information on the above since the person who has asked 
for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early 
decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting.

Thanks

parminder

PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change 
have been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it.
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From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com  Sat Apr  5 06:27:55 2014
From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin Schombe)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 12:27:55 +0200
Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested
In-Reply-To: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net>
References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <CAPcSPKX7HCw2h9-39OrJwtFXmJqEc-UsitGzBzK0KDBiX8qzKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Parminder,

the process was as follows:

1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked, among
other things if candidate needed a partial or total load;
1.2 Once registration is approved,  secretrariat of NetMundial has notified
 candidates.;
3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application;
4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of  hotel
by applicant and receives information about support for the stay in Sao
Paolo during the summit.
4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for
resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN
constituency contacted the candidate.

So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by
NetMundial secretariat.


2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:

>  Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought
> funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information about
> how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person with
> this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to provide
> it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has received an
> email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for
> the meeting.)
>
> It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process
> worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants who
> were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual
> funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a
> centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ considered?
> Whether there are other funders too making such a direct approach? Who are
> the funders and what amounts have been committed?
>
> If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant
> declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential
> problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind of
> funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, especially
> those who work in their own activity area , and under what conditions.
>
> I request early information on the above since the person who has asked
> for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early
> decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting.
>
> Thanks
>
> parminder
>
> PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change have
> been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it.
>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Sat Apr  5 06:38:54 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:08:54 +0530
Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested
In-Reply-To: <CAPcSPKX7HCw2h9-39OrJwtFXmJqEc-UsitGzBzK0KDBiX8qzKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <CAPcSPKX7HCw2h9-39OrJwtFXmJqEc-UsitGzBzK0KDBiX8qzKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net>


On Saturday 05 April 2014 03:57 PM, Baudouin Schombe wrote:
> Hello Parminder,
>
> the process was as follows:
>
> 1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked, 
> among other things if candidate needed a partial or total load;
> 1.2 Once registration is approved,  secretrariat of NetMundial has 
> notified  candidates.;
> 3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application;
> 4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of 
>  hotel by applicant and receives information about support for the 
> stay in Sao Paolo during the summit.
> 4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for 
> resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN 
> constituency contacted the candidate.

Thanks Baudouin, This is the set of information available at the 
participant end, which I already know, and also the person who 
originally sought the information. We would like to get some information 
at the other end, not know to us, which is contained in my questions.


>
> So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by 
> NetMundial secretariat.

The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your 
travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'...

parminder
>
>
> 2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net 
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>:
>
>     Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had
>     sought funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me
>     information about how funding support works. Since I am not able
>     to help that person with this information, may I request those
>     involved with the meeting to provide it. Please note that this is
>     urgent. (The concerned person has received an email from ICANN
>     informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for the
>     meeting.)
>
>     It will be useful to know full details about how the funding
>     process worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the
>     participants who were offered funding? What kind of criteria was
>     used? Why individual funders are approaching participants with
>     funding support, and why a centralised approach from the meeting
>     organisers was not made/ considered? Whether there are other
>     funders too making such a direct approach? Who are the funders and
>     what amounts have been committed?
>
>     If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society
>     participant declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could
>     create a potential problem because many civil society groups have
>     limitations on what kind of funding for travel etc they can accept
>     from private companies, especially those who work in their own
>     activity area , and under what conditions.
>
>     I request early information on the above since the person who has
>     asked for this information and her/his organisation needs to make
>     an early decision about accepting the funding, given the short
>     period to the meeting.
>
>     Thanks
>
>     parminder
>
>     PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for
>     Change have been offered support in a similar way and we have
>     accepted it.
>
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From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com  Sat Apr  5 06:58:57 2014
From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin Schombe)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 12:58:57 +0200
Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested
In-Reply-To: <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net>
References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <CAPcSPKX7HCw2h9-39OrJwtFXmJqEc-UsitGzBzK0KDBiX8qzKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <CAPcSPKVbFJnePnDJ-rXChmN5vakYsFiwE-1H9uPxL_Xs8f+9Mg@mail.gmail.com>

The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your
travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'...


exactly Parminder, but contact with sponsors is managed by NetMundial
Secretariat. I could be wrong.


2014-04-05 12:38 GMT+02:00 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:

>
> On Saturday 05 April 2014 03:57 PM, Baudouin Schombe wrote:
>
>  Hello Parminder,
>
>  the process was as follows:
>
>  1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked,
> among other things if candidate needed a partial or total load;
> 1.2 Once registration is approved,  secretrariat of NetMundial has
> notified  candidates.;
> 3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application;
> 4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of  hotel
> by applicant and receives information about support for the stay in Sao
> Paolo during the summit.
> 4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for
> resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN
> constituency contacted the candidate.
>
>
> Thanks Baudouin, This is the set of information available at the
> participant end, which I already know, and also the person who originally
> sought the information. We would like to get some information at the other
> end, not know to us, which is contained in my questions.
>
>
>
>  So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by
> NetMundial secretariat.
>
>
> The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your
> travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'...
>
> parminder
>
>
>
> 2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:
>
>>  Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought
>> funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information about
>> how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person with
>> this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to provide
>> it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has received an
>> email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for
>> the meeting.)
>>
>> It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process
>> worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants who
>> were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual
>> funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a
>> centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ considered?
>> Whether there are other funders too making such a direct approach? Who are
>> the funders and what amounts have been committed?
>>
>> If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant
>> declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential
>> problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind of
>> funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, especially
>> those who work in their own activity area , and under what conditions.
>>
>> I request early information on the above since the person who has asked
>> for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early
>> decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> parminder
>>
>> PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change
>> have been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it.
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sat Apr  5 07:22:08 2014
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:22:08 +0200
Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade
References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net>
 <CAPcSPKX7HCw2h9-39OrJwtFXmJqEc-UsitGzBzK0KDBiX8qzKw@mail.gmail.com>
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FYI
 
http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf
 
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From dl at panamo.eu  Sat Apr  5 07:35:32 2014
From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:35:32 +0200
Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade
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References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <CAPcSPKX7HCw2h9-39OrJwtFXmJqEc-UsitGzBzK0KDBiX8qzKw@mail.gmail.com> <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801642171@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
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Thanks Wolfgang. Very interesting.

p.5 "/and has called for revocation of the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor”
Framework, which has provided a practical mechanism for both U.S
companies and their business partners in Europe to export data to the
United States, while adhering to EU privacy requirements./"

I was told that the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor” Framework was not very
efficient. Was it ?

@+, best regards, Dominique


Le 05/04/14 13:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" a écrit :
> FYI
>  
> http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf
>  
> wolfgang
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From lorena at collaboratory.de  Sat Apr  5 08:11:43 2014
From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 14:11:43 +0200
Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade
In-Reply-To: <533FEA84.9020101@panamo.eu>
References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net>
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Hi Dominique,
Safe Harbor was not very efficient, indeed. There were many defficiencies
with regard to enforcement and judicial remedies. Since the registration
was outside the EU it could not be controlled by the EU, nobody had really
an overview whether the rules were being implemented or not. Therefore
Germany proposed to bild a robust framework for mechanisms like Safe Harbor
within the new EU regulation (which is a good idea in my opinion). However
a concrete proposal is still on work and has to be discussed in the Council.
Kind regards,
Lorena


2014-04-05 13:35 GMT+02:00 Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu>:

>  Thanks Wolfgang. Very interesting.
>
> p.5 "*and has called for revocation of the U.S.-EU "Safe Harbor"
> Framework, which has provided a practical mechanism for both U.S companies
> and their business partners in Europe to export data to the United States,
> while adhering to EU privacy requirements.*"
>
> I was told that the U.S.-EU "Safe Harbor" Framework was not very
> efficient. Was it ?
>
> @+, best regards, Dominique
>
>
> Le 05/04/14 13:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" a écrit :
>
> FYI
>  http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf
>
> wolfgang
>
>
>
>
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From Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu  Sat Apr  5 09:16:43 2014
From: Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu (Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 13:16:43 +0000
Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade
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Hello,

Also, in November last year (27.11.2013) the EU published a Communication and a package names "Restoring trust in EU-US data flows" (http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/com_2013_846_en.pdf) and that addresses the Safe Harbour, coupled with a second Communication on the functioning of the Safe Harbour from the perspective of EU Citizens and Companies established in the EU (http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/com_2013_847_en.pdf)

"Making Safe Harbour safer: the Commission today made 13 recommendations to improve the functioning of the Safe Harbour scheme, after an analysis also published today finds the functioning of the scheme deficient in several respects. Remedies should be identified by summer 2014. The Commission will then review the functioning of the scheme based on the implementation of these 13 recommendations."

Here is the press release http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-1166_en.htm
This is a MEMO containing a section on Safe Harbor http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-1059_en.htm
These are the concrete changes to the Safe Harbor: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/policies/privacy/thridcountries/adequacy-faq1_en.htm

Best

Camino




From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Lorena Jaume-Palasi [lorena at collaboratory.de]
Sent: 05 April 2014 14:11
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Dominique Lacroix
Subject: Re: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade

Hi Dominique,
Safe Harbor was not very efficient, indeed. There were many defficiencies with regard to enforcement and judicial remedies. Since the registration was outside the EU it could not be controlled by the EU, nobody had really an overview whether the rules were being implemented or not. Therefore Germany proposed to bild a robust framework for mechanisms like Safe Harbor within the new EU regulation (which is a good idea in my opinion). However a concrete proposal is still on work and has to be discussed in the Council.
Kind regards,
Lorena


2014-04-05 13:35 GMT+02:00 Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu<mailto:dl at panamo.eu>>:
Thanks Wolfgang. Very interesting.

p.5 "and has called for revocation of the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor” Framework, which has provided a practical mechanism for both U.S companies and their business partners in Europe to export data to the United States, while adhering to EU privacy requirements."

I was told that the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor” Framework was not very efficient. Was it ?

@+, best regards, Dominique


Le 05/04/14 13:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" a écrit :

FYI

http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf

wolfgang





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From mariliamaciel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 08:50:08 2014
From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 09:50:08 -0300
Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested
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I am currently in transit and unable to write detailed messages. Can get
back later. There was no support for traveling until icann 49. Cgi. Br
secured funding for committee members only. Recently, joint efforts managed
to make some funding available. I am not sure which organizations
participated in the pool. It seems icann constituency travel is helping
with emissions due to their expertise and little time available. The EMC
was not involved with funding issues.
Marilia
Em 05/04/2014 07:59, "Baudouin Schombe" <baudouin.schombe at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your
> travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'...
>
>
> exactly Parminder, but contact with sponsors is managed by NetMundial
> Secretariat. I could be wrong.
>
>
> 2014-04-05 12:38 GMT+02:00 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:
>
>>
>> On Saturday 05 April 2014 03:57 PM, Baudouin Schombe wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Parminder,
>>
>>  the process was as follows:
>>
>>  1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked,
>> among other things if candidate needed a partial or total load;
>> 1.2 Once registration is approved,  secretrariat of NetMundial has
>> notified  candidates.;
>> 3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application;
>> 4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of  hotel
>> by applicant and receives information about support for the stay in Sao
>> Paolo during the summit.
>> 4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for
>> resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN
>> constituency contacted the candidate.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Baudouin, This is the set of information available at the
>> participant end, which I already know, and also the person who originally
>> sought the information. We would like to get some information at the other
>> end, not know to us, which is contained in my questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>  So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by
>> NetMundial secretariat.
>>
>>
>> The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your
>> travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'...
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:
>>
>>>  Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought
>>> funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information about
>>> how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person with
>>> this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to provide
>>> it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has received an
>>> email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for
>>> the meeting.)
>>>
>>> It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process
>>> worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants who
>>> were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual
>>> funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a
>>> centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ considered?
>>> Whether there are other funders too making such a direct approach? Who are
>>> the funders and what amounts have been committed?
>>>
>>> If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant
>>> declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential
>>> problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind of
>>> funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, especially
>>> those who work in their own activity area , and under what conditions.
>>>
>>> I request early information on the above since the person who has asked
>>> for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early
>>> decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> parminder
>>>
>>> PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change
>>> have been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it.
>>>
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From fulvio.frati at unimi.it  Mon Apr  7 08:32:22 2014
From: fulvio.frati at unimi.it (Fulvio Frati)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:32:22 +0200
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==========================================================================

 

CALL FOR PAPERS

 

IEEE 2014 Fourth International Workshop on Security and Privacy Engineering
(SPE2014)

One day between June 27 and July 2, 2014, at Hilton Anchorage, Alaska, USA

Co-located with IEEE SERVICES 2014 (http://www.servicescongress.org/2014/) 

Workshop Web page: http://sesar.dti.unimi.it/SPE2014/ 

 

==========================================================================

 

************************************************

***** Submission Deadline Approaching: April 15, 2014   *****

************************************************

 

===========

Description

===========

 

Built upon the success of spectrum of conferences within the IEEE World
Congress on Services,

the Security and Privacy Engineering (SPE 2014) workshop is a unique place
to exchange ideas 

of engineering secure systems in the context of service computing, cloud
computing, and big 

data analytics. The emphasis on engineering in security and privacy of
services differentiates 

the workshop from other traditional prestigious security and privacy
workshops, symposiums, 

and conferences. The practicality and value realization are examined by
practitioners from 

leading industries as well as scientists from academia.

 

In line with the engineering spirit, we solicit original papers on building
secure service 

systems that can be applied to government procurement, digital medical
records, cloud 

environments, social networking for business purposes, multimedia
application, mobile commerce, 

education, and the like. Potential contributions could cover, but are not
limited to, 

methodologies, protocols, tools, or verification and validation techniques.
We also welcome 

review papers that analyze critically the status of current Security and
Privacy (S&P) in a 

specific area. Papers from practitioners who encounter security and privacy
problems and seek 

understanding are also welcome.

 

Topics of interests of SPE 2014 include, but are not limited to:

 

- S&P Engineering of Service-Based Applications

- Security Engineering of Service Compositions

- Practical Approaches to Security Engineering of Services

- Privacy-Aware Service Engineering

- Industrial and Real Use Cases in S&P Engineering of (Cloud) Services

- S&P Engineering of Cloud Services

- Auditing and Assessment

- Assurance and Certification

- Security Management and Governance

- Privacy Enforcement in Clouds and Services

- Cybersecurity Issues of Clouds and Services

- Validation and Verification of S&P in Clouds and Services

- Applied Cryptography for S&P in Clouds and Services

- S&P Testing in Clouds and Services

- Security and Privacy Modeling

- Socio-Economics and Compliance

- Education and Awareness

- Big Data S&P Engineering

 

===============

Important Dates

===============

 

Full Paper Submission Due Date (EXTENDED): April 15, 2014 

Decision Notification (Electronic): April 22, 2014 

Camera-Ready Copy Due Date & Pre-registration Due: May 1, 2014

 

================

Paper Submission

================

 

Authors are invited to submit full papers (about 8 pages) or short papers
(about 4 pages) as per 

IEEE 8.5 x 11 manuscript guidelines (download Word templates
http://conferences.computer.org/icws/2014/IEEECS_CPS_8.5x11x2.zip  

or LaTeX templates
http://conferences.computer.org/icws/2014/IEEECS_CPS_LaTeX_Letter_2Col.zip).


The submitted papers can only be in the format of PDF or WORD. Please follow
the IEEE Computer Society Press Proceedings 

Author Guidelines to prepare your papers, respectively. At least one author
of each accepted paper is required to attend the 

workshop and present the paper. All papers must be submitted via the confhub
submission system for the SPE workshop
(http://www.confhub.com/conf.php?id=338). 

 

First time users need to register with the system first (see these
instructions for 

details http://www.servicescongress.org/2014/submission.html).  

All the accepted papers by the workshops will be included in the Proceedings
of the 

IEEE 10th World Congress on Services (SERVICES 2014) which will be published
by IEEE Computer Society.

 

===============

Workshop Chairs

===============

 

- Claudio Agostino Ardagna, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy,
claudio.ardagna-AT-unimi.it

- Meiko Jensen, Independent Centre for Privacy Protection
Schleswig-Holstein, Germany, Meiko.Jensen-AT-rub.de

- Zhixiong Chen, Mercy College, NY, USA, zchen-AT-mercy.edu

- Ernesto Damiani, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy,
ernesto.damiani-AT-unimi.it

 

 

=================

Program Committee 

=================

 

- Rafael Accorsi, University of Freiburg, Germany

- Rasool Asal, British Telecommunications, UK

- Jens-atthias Bohli, NEC Laboratories Europe, Germany

- Bud Brügger, Fraunhofer IAO, Germany

- Ali Chettih, Pivot Point Security, Mercy College NY, USA

- Frances Cleary, Waterford Institute of Technology, Ireland

- Quiang Duan, Penn State at Abington, USA

- Massimo Felici, Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, USA

- Christopher Frenz, CTO at See-Thru, USA

- Atsuhiro Goto, Institute of Information Security, Japan

- Nils Gruschka, University of Applied Sciences Kiel, Germany

- Marit Hansen, Independent Centre for Privacy Protection
Schleswig-Holstein, Germany,

- Patrick Hung, University of Ontario Institute of Technology, Canada

- Luigi Lo Iacono, University of Applied Sciences Cologne, Germany

- Florian Kerschbaum, SAP Research Karlsruhe, Germany

- Zhiqiang Lin, UT Dallas, USA

- Jörg Schwenk, Ruhr University Bochum, Germany

- Wei Tan, IBM, USA

- Jong Yoon, Mercy College, USA

- Yingzhou Zhang, Nanjing University of Posts and Telecommunications, China

 

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Publicity Chair 

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- Fulvio Frati, Università degli studi di Milano, Italy

 

More information available at http://sesar.dti.unimi.it/SPE2014/ 

 

 

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From fulvio.frati at unimi.it  Mon Apr  7 08:54:49 2014
From: fulvio.frati at unimi.it (Fulvio Frati)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:54:49 +0200
Subject: [governance] 2014 IEEE International Workshop on Autonomic Cloud
 Cybersecurity (ACC 2014)
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The 2014 IEEE International Workshop on Autonomic Cloud Cybersecurity (ACC
2014)

http://sesar.dti.unimi.it/ACC2014 

Part of

the IEEE International Conference on Cloud and Autonomic Computing (CAC
2014)

http://www.autonomic-conference.org 

============================================================================
=====

 

===========

Description

===========

 

Cloud computing services offer cost effective, scalable, and reliable
outsourced platforms. 

Cloud adoption is becoming rapidly ubiquitous; therefore, private and
sensitive data is being 

moved into the cloud. This move is introducing new security and privacy
challenges, which should 

be diligently addressed in order to avoid severe security repercussions. The
focus of this workshop 

is to offer a discussion forum about autonomous cybersecurity systems, which
offer viable and 

well-suited solutions for cloud threat prediction, detection, mitigation,
and prevention.

 

The workshop is part of the IEEE International Conference on Cloud and
Autonomic Computing (CAC 2014), 

and is collocated with The 8th IEEE Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing System
Conference and The 14th 

IEEE Peer-to-Peer Computing Conference. We are soliciting original and
unpublished results of ongoing 

research projects, emerging trends, uses cases, and implementation
experiences in autonomous cloud 

cybersecurity systems and solutions. 

 

================

Topics

================

 

The topics covered include, but are not limited to:

- Self-protection techniques of computing systems, networks and
applications.

- Performance evaluation and metrics of self-protection algorithms.

- Metrics to characterize and quantify the cybersecurity algorithms
(confidentiality,integrity, 

  and availability of autonomic systems)

- Anomaly behavior analysis and discovery of autonomic systems and services.

- Data mining, stochastic analysis and prediction of autonomic systems and
applications.

- Datasets and benchmarks to compare and evaluate different self-protection
techniques.

- Autonomic prediction of cyber crime.

- Cloud cryptographic systems.

- Autonomous cyber threat mitigation methods.

- Cloud security protocols.

- Automated cloud security analysis.

- Cloud cybersecurity tools.

 

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Paper Submission

==================

 

Paper submission Papers submitted should be in the form of a two-page
extended abstract. 

Manuscript preparation and style should follow the official IEEE proceedings
format instructions. 

Papers should be submitted using the workshop submission page
(https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=acc2014). 

 

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Deadlines

==================

 

- Paper submission: May 7, 2014

- Author notification: June 12, 2014

- Camera-ready paper: July 3, 2014

- Workshop: September 8, 2014

 

=====================

Organizing Committee

=====================

 

General Chair:

- Ernesto Damiani, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy

 

Co-Chairs:

- Anas Salah Eddin, Florida Polytechnic University, USA

- George Spanoudakis, City University London, UK

 

Steering Committee:

- John Howie (Chair), Cloud Security Alliance, USA

- Salim Hariri, University of Arizona, USA

- Bill Buchanan, Edinburgh Napier University, UK

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From iza at anr.org  Mon Apr  7 09:08:03 2014
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 22:08:03 +0900
Subject: [governance] IGF to be evaluated
Message-ID: <CA+YNoKg9h=cghQQRYX1aTC4D30at4Z++3yeXsxbMvzLUBsBHUA@mail.gmail.com>

Some of you may already know, but just found this accidentally.

Interesting.

izumi


Vacancy: Internet Governance Forum (IGF) Project
Evaluator<http://workspace.unpan.org/sites/Internet/Documents/UNPAN92733.pdf>
<http://www.unpan.org/DPADM/Home/BilateralMeetingsInHouseSeminars/tabid/1511/language/en-US/Default.aspx>

DMB is soliciting applications for an Internet Governance Forum (IGF)
Project Evaluator.  Please contact Eleonora Mazzucchi(mazzucchi at un.org) COB
11 April 2014. To see the Terms of Reference, please click
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From shawna at apc.org  Mon Apr  7 11:58:22 2014
From: shawna at apc.org (Shawna Finnegan)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:58:22 -0500
Subject: [governance] A Global Conversation for a Feminist Internet
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Dear all,

(Apologies for cross-posting)

APC's 'Take Back The Tech' campaign is hosting a global conversation
this week about how you imagine a feminist internet.

These conversations will input to an evolving framework of Feminist
Principles of the Internet to be developed at a global meeting on
Gender, Sexuality and the Internet that will take place in Malaysia
from this Friday, April 12th.

You can join the conversation on Twitter, and/or reply to this message
with your thoughts.

*A Global Conversation for a Feminist Internet*

Is a feminist internet possible? How has the internet shifted the way we
understand power, politics, activism and agency? Join us in a global
conversation on how the internet can strengthen and better facilitate
feminist activism and what you think are key issues we need to engage
with and interrogate to realise its transformative potential.

How are we discussing the commodification of our bodies, behaviors,
thoughts and data? How has the internet disrupted or reinforced
capitalist frameworks? Is the internet enabling greater diversity of
sexual expression or growing opportunities for the policing of sexuality?

Do we rely too much on the internet for our work? Does activism 2.0
simply satisfy our need to "do something" without truly effecting change?

Take part in the debate. Define and question what it takes to create a
feminist internet.

Join the conversation all week on Twitter.
#imagineafeministinternet #takebackthetech @takebackthetech
<https://twitter.com/takebackthetech>

- -- 
Shawna Finnegan
Human rights and the Internet
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Association for Progressive Communications
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From dvbirve at yandex.ru  Mon Apr  7 19:09:09 2014
From: dvbirve at yandex.ru (Shcherbovich Andrey)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 03:09:09 +0400
Subject: [governance] Workshop on 'Big Data and Human Rights'
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From ivissioninternational at yahoo.fr  Tue Apr  8 06:49:58 2014
From: ivissioninternational at yahoo.fr (International Ivission)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 11:49:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [governance] Workshop on 'Big Data and Human Rights'
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References: <5666551396651521@web23m.yandex.ru> <CAJwbTiC-AXFozgBudJ3sPEhM6ALt=Ezc5dPTQNdo2-D_hZ9PCw@mail.gmail.com> <1100271396912149@web19m.yandex.ru>
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Dear colleagues,

This topic is quite interesting!
Kindly add me to the list of remote participants.

How will remote participation be done?
Hoping to hear from you.

My regards,


 
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Le Mardi 8 avril 2014 1h10, Shcherbovich Andrey <dvbirve at yandex.ru> a écrit :
 
Thank you, It would be great.
 
Thanks for your support, and you personally also invited to attend this workshop.
 
With kind regards, Andrey
 
05.04.2014, 04:00, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>:
Andrey wondering whether you would be interested in inviting a perspective from the World Bank and can hook you up witb their Big Data specialist.
>Really awesome that you are organising a ws in this.
>Sala
>On 5 Apr 2014 10:45, "Shcherbovich Andrey" <dvbirve at yandex.ru> wrote:
>
>Dear Colleagues!
>>
>>The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in Istanbul  and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely.
>>
>>Sincerely yours,
>>Andrey Shcherbovich
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 08:54:11 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 08:54:11 -0400
Subject: [governance] Graphics from big data
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For those of us who find it easier to think visually, and also for those of
us who don't. Thank you Carlton for sharing this on CIVIC.
http://geography.oii.ox.ac.uk/?page=home
Deirdre

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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Tue Apr  8 11:56:47 2014
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:56:47 -0400
Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome
 Document
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PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm

https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/

NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document
Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT

Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome 
Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder 
Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an 
international conference of twelve nations and other internet 
stakeholders, to be hosted in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened 
to lay down a roadmap for internet governance. It is co-hosted by the 
twelve goverments of Argentina, Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, 
Indonesia, South Africa, South Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United 
States of America. The document was prepared by the NETmundial Executive 
Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from the 180 NETmundial submissions and 
has been submitted to the High Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) 
for final comment. The HLMC comprises ministerial level representation 
from the twelve co-hosting nations and is due to give its feedback 
tomorrow, on April 9.



Outcome Document
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This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder 
Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder 
Committee (HLMC).

Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014

### **[0. Introduction](#introduction)**

The Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet 
Governance, also known as NETmundial, is convened to discuss two 
important issues relevant for the future evolution of the Internet, in 
an open and Multistakeholder fashion:

-   Internet Governance Principles, and
-   Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet Governance Ecosystem

The recommendations in this document have been prepared with the view to 
guiding NETmundial to consensus. This has been a collaborative effort 
among representatives of all stakeholder groups.

More than 180 contributions have been received from all stakeholders 
around the globe. Those contributions have been taken as the basis for 
the elaboration of the recommendations here submitted to the 
participants of NETmundial towards the development of broad consensus.

The recommendations of NETmundial are intended to constitute valuable 
contribution to be used in other Internet Governance related fora and 
entities.

### **[1. Internet Governance Principles 
Introduction.](#internet_governance_principles)**

NETmundial identified a set of common principles and important values 
that may serve as the foundation for an inclusive, Multistakeholder, 
effective, legitimate, and evolving Internet Governance framework. Human 
Rights

Principles related to Human Rights.

Human rights are central values that should underpin Internet governance 
principles. Rights that people have offline must also be protected 
online, in accordance with international human rights law, including the 
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenants on 
Civil and Political Rights and Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. 
Those rights include, but are not limited to:

-   Access to information and the free flow of information
-   Freedom of association
-   Freedom of expression: Everyone has the right to hold and express 
opinions, and to seek, receive, and impart information on the Internet 
without arbitrary interference.
-   Privacy: People should be able to exercise their right to privacy 
online the same way they do offline, including avoiding arbitrary or 
unlawful collection of personal data and surveillance.
-   Accessibility: People with disabilities should be granted full 
access to online resources.
-   Culture and linguistic diversity: Cultural and linguistic diversity 
should be encouraged and supported in a non-discriminatory manner.
-   Development: The Internet has a vital role to play in helping to 
achieve the full realization of internationally agreed sustainable 
development goals.

### **[Internet Infrastructure](#internet_infrastructure)**

Principles related to the Internet infrastructure.

To preserve an unfragmented, interconnected, interoperable, secure, 
stable, resilient, sustainable, and trustworthy Internet.

SECURITY, STABILITY AND RESILIENCY

Internet as an universal global resource, should remain a secure, 
stable, resilient and trustworthy network. Effectiveness in handling 
security depends on strong and constant cooperation among different 
stakeholders.

-   Security, stability, robustness and resilience of the Internet 
should be a key objective of all stakeholders in Internet governance.

SINGLE AND UNFRAGMENTED SPACE

The Internet should continue to be a globally coherent interconnected, 
unfragmented, scalable and accessible network which allows the free flow 
of data packets throughout the community, with:

-   A common set of unique identifiers
-   A stable and globally coherent Internet operations

OPEN AND DISTRIBUTED ARCHITECTURE

The Internet should be preserved as a fertile and innovative environment 
and an open system architecture, with voluntary collaboration, 
collective stewardship and participation, recognizing technical 
management principles for efficient and improved network operation and 
preserving:

-   End-to-end nature of the network
-   Equal treatment to all protocols and data, delivered by the 
underlying communications

ENABLING ENVIRONMENT FOR INNOVATION

The ability to innovate has been at the heart of the remarkable growth 
of the Internet and it brought great value to the global society. For 
the preservation of its dynamism, Internet must continue to allow 
permission-less innovation through an enabling environment.

OPEN ACCESS/PLATFORM

The Internet should be an open and accessible platform, promoting fair 
access to any content, applications and services at the user's choice. 
Internet should be a tool for equal opportunity and development, based on:

-   Minimal barriers: There should be no unreasonable barriers or 
unnecessary burdens to entry for new users
-   Universality: Access to the Internet should become universal as an 
effective tool for human development and social inclusion.
-   Agility: Policies for access to Internet service should be future 
oriented and technology neutral, able to accommodate rapidly developing 
technologies and different types of use.
-   Neutrality: The Internet should remain a neutral, free from 
discrimination, so as to encourage free expression, the free flow of 
information and ideas, creativity, innovation and entrepreneurship
-   Intermediary liability should be limited in line with international 
best practice
-   Diversity: The Internet must respect and promote diversity in all 
its forms

### **[Internet Governance Process](#internet_governance_process)**

Principles related to Internet governance decision-making processes and 
arrangements.

Internet governance should be open, participatory, Multistakeholder, 
technology-neutral, sensitive to human rights and based on principles of 
transparency, accountability and inclusiveness, among others:

-   Multistakeholder: with the full participation of governments, the 
private sector, civil society, the technical community, the academia and 
users in their respective roles and responsibilities.
-   Open, participatory, process driven governance: The development of 
international Internet-related public policies and Internet governance 
arrangements should enable full and balanced participation of all 
stakeholders from around the globe.
-   Transparent: it should be easy to understand how decisions are made, 
processes should be clearly documented and follow agreed procedures; 
procedures which should have been developed and agreed through 
Multistakeholder processes.
-   Accountable: mechanisms for checks and balances as well as for 
redress should exist.
-   Inclusive: Internet governance institutions and processes should be 
inclusive and open to all interested stakeholders. Processes should be 
bottom-up, enabling the full involvement of all stakeholders in a way 
does not disadvantage any category of stakeholder.
-   Distributed: A governance characterized by distributed and 
Multistakeholder mechanisms and organizations.
-   Collaborative: Internet governance should be based on and encourage 
collaborative and cooperative approaches to policy development that 
reflect the inputs and interests of stakeholders.
-   Enabling meaningful participation: All stakeholders should be able 
to participate in any internet governance process. Particularly, 
Internet governance institutions and processes should support capacity 
building for newcomers, especially stakeholders from developing 
countries and underrepresented groups.

### **[Standards](#standards)**

Principles related to the technical standardization of the Internet

OPEN STANDARDS

The Internet should be unique, interoperable, resilient, decentralized, 
secure, interconnected, and based on open public standards, embracing:

-   Openness: allows for sharing and innovation, respecting rights and 
accessibility enabling global competition;
-   Interoperability: Open Standards facilitate interoperability and 
enable all to fully participate in the global network.
-   Stability: The open nature of the Internet allows its continued 
growth, resilience and stability.
-   Open development: Informed by individual and collective expertise 
and practical experience, decisions made by open consensus rather than 
voting.
-   Innovation: Open Standards serve as building blocks for further 
innovation and contribute to the creation of global communities.
-   Human rights: Standards must respect human rights contributing to 
the creation of global communities.
-   Availability: Open standards specifications on which the Internet is 
based should be made accessible to all for implementation and deployment.

### **[2. Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet 
Governance](#roadmap)**

### **[I. Introduction](#roadmap_introduction)**

The objective of this roadmap is to recommend the steps forward in the 
process of continuously improving the existing Internet governance 
framework ensuring full involvement of all stakeholders. Internet 
governance framework is a distributed and coordinated ecosystem 
involving various organizations and fora. It must be inclusive, 
transparent and accountable, and its structures and operations must 
follow a model that enable the participation of all stakeholders in 
order to address the interests of all those who benefit from the 
Internet. The implementation of the Tunis Agenda has demonstrated the 
value of the Multistakeholder model in Internet governance. The valuable 
contribution of all stakeholders to Internet governance should be 
recognized. Due to the successful experiences this model should be 
further strengthened, improved and evolved. Internet governance should 
serve as a catalyst for development and for promotion of human rights. 
Participation should reflect geographic balance and include stakeholders 
from developing and least developed countries.

Issues that deserve attention of the community in the Internet 
governance future evolution.

-   Internet governance decisions are sometimes taken without the 
meaningful participation of all stakeholders. It is important that 
Multistakeholder decision-making and policy formulation are improved in 
order to ensure the full participation of all interested parties, 
recognizing the different roles played by different stakeholders.
-   Enhanced cooperation to address international public policy issues 
pertaining to the Internet must be fully implemented on a consensual 
basis. It is important that all stakeholders commit to advancing this 
discussion through the working group created to this purpose under UN 
CSTD and/or other international Multistakeholder dialogues.
-   Stakeholder representatives appointed to Multistakeholder Internet 
governance processes should be selected through open and transparent 
processes. Different stakeholder groups should self-manage their 
processes based on publicly known mechanisms.
-   There is a need to develop Multistakeholder mechanisms at the local 
level since a good portion of Internet governance issues should be 
tackled at this level. Local Multistakeholder mechanisms should serve as 
a link between local discussions and regional and global instances. 
Therefore a fluent coordination and dialogue across those different 
dimensions is essential.
-   There should be meaningful participation by all interested parties 
in Internet governance discussions and decision-making, with attention 
to geographic, stakeholder and gender balance in order to avoid asymmetries.
-   The establishment of enabling mechanisms including capacity building 
and empowerment mechanisms, such as remote participation or adequate 
funding, and access to meaningful and timely information are essential 
for promoting inclusive and effective Internet governance.
-   All stakeholders must renew their commitment to build a people 
centered, inclusive and development oriented Information Society. 
Therefore in pursuing the improvements of the Internet governance 
ecosystem, the focus on Digital Development Agenda should be retained.
-   Internet governance discussions would benefit from improved 
communication and coordination between technical and non-technical 
communities, providing a better understanding about the policy 
implications in technical decisions and technical implications in policy 
decision.

### **[Issues dealing with institutional 
improvements.](#issues_inst_improvements)**

-   There is a need for mechanisms to consider emerging topics and 
issues that are not currently being adequately addressed by existing 
Internet governance arrangements and usually referred as orphan issues.
-   There is a need for a strengthened Internet Governance Forum (IGF). 
Important recommendations to that end were made by the UN CSTD working 
group on IGF improvements. Improvements should include inter-alia:

     -   Improved outcomes. Even keeping the nature of IGF as a 
non-decision-making body, improvements can be implemented including 
creative ways of providing outcomes/recommendations and the analysis of 
policy options.
     -   Extending the IGF mandate beyond five-year terms, and 
considering the IGF as a permanent forum.
     -   Ensuring guaranteed stable and predictable funding for the IGF 
is essential.
     -   The IGF should adopt mechanisms to promote worldwide 
discussions between meetings. The 1Net initiative could possibly provide 
a platform for Multistakeholder intercessional dialogue.

     A strengthened IGF could better serve as a platform for discussing 
those orphans and emerging issues already mentioned in the previous 
point with a view to contributing to the identification of possible ways 
to address them.

-   There should be adequate communication and coordination among 
existing forums, task forces and organizations of the Internet 
governance ecosystem. Periodical reports, formal liaisons and timely 
feedbacks are examples of mechanisms that could be implemented to that 
end. It would be recommendable to analyze the option of creating 
Internet governance coordination mechanisms to perform on-going 
monitoring, analysis, and information-sharing functions.
-   In the follow up to the recent announcement of US Government with 
regard to its intent to transition the stewardship of IANA functions, 
the discussion about mechanisms for guaranteeing the transparency and 
accountability of those functions after the US Government role ends, has 
to take place through an open process with the participation of all 
stakeholders extending beyond the ICANN community. The IANA functions 
are currently performed under policies developed in processes hosted by 
several organizations and forums. Any adopted mechanism should protect 
the bottom up, open and participatory nature of those policy development 
processes and ensure the stability and resilience of the Internet. It is 
desirable to keep an adequate separation between the policy process and 
its operational aspects. This transition should be completed by 
September 2015.
-   It is expected that the process of globalization of ICANN speeds up 
leading to a truly international and global organization with an 
independent status and clear accountability mechanisms that satisfy 
requirements from its own stakeholders and from the global community. 
The relevant, balanced, and active representation from all regions and 
stakeholders in the ICANN structure is a key issue in the process of a 
successful globalization.

### **[Issues dealing with specific Internet Governance 
topics](#issues_governance_topics)**

​1. Security and Stability

-   It is necessary to continue working pursuing international 
agreements on topics such jurisdiction, law enforcement assistance to 
promote cybersecurity and prevent cybercrime. Discussions about those 
frameworks should be held in a Multistakeholder manner. International 
agreements should include measures of restraining cyber weapons 
development and deployment.
-   Initiatives to improve cybersecurity and address security threats 
should involve collaboration among private sector, researchers, 
technical experts, governments and NGOs. There are stakeholders that 
still need to become more involved with cybersecurity, for example 
network operators and software developers.
-   There is room for new forums and initiatives, they should not 
duplicate, but to add to current structures. All stakeholders should aim 
to leverage from and improve these already existing cybersecurity 
organizations. The experience accumulated by several of them, for 
example the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST) and 
Computer Incident Response Teams (CERTs/CSIRTs), demonstrates that, in 
order to be effective, any cybersecurity initiative depends on 
cooperation among different stakeholders, and it can't be achieved via a 
single organization or structure.

​2. Internet Surveillance ? Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines 
trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet Governance ecosystem. 
Mass surveillance and contradicts some of the principles proposed in 
this document. Surveillance should be conducted in accordance with the 
?Necessary and Proportionate? principles. More dialogue is needed on 
this topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the 
Human Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the 
related aspects.

​3. Capacity building - One of the key requirements for realization of 
Internet governance principles is ensuring that diverse stakeholders 
have not merely the opportunity for nominal participation, but in fact 
the formation and the resources for effective participation. Capacity 
building is important to support the emergence of true Multistakeholder 
communities, especially in those regions where the participation of some 
stakeholders group needs to be further strengthened.

### **[Points to be further discussed beyond 
NETmundial:](#points_further_disc)**

Several contributions to NETmundial identified points that need further 
discussion and better understanding regarding the following:

-   Different roles and responsibilities of stakeholders on the Internet 
governance ecosystem, including the meaning and application of equal 
footing.
-   Jurisdiction issues and how they relate to Internet governance.
-   A principles based code of conduct and related indicators for the 
Internet governance ecosystem.

### **[Key messages](#key_messages)**

The Internet governance ecosystem needs to continuously evolve as 
described above, strengthening the Multistakeholder model across the 
entire ecosystem.

Capacity building is a crucial aspect to enhance the participation of 
all stakeholders in a meaningful way.

The IGF should be strengthened.

There are issues that are not being treated properly by existing 
Internet governance mechanisms. IGF is one of the venues for discussing 
ways to deal with those issues.

It is expected that ICANN continues working in evolving the organization 
toward a more global organization with a balanced participation of all 
stakeholders.

The US Government?s special role with regard to the IANA functions 
should end in a short term and the transition should be conducted in an 
open, participatory and responsible manner.

All the organizations with responsibilities in Internet governance 
ecosystem have to develop principles for transparency, accountability 
and inclusiveness and implement them. All the organizations should 
prepare periodical reports on their progresses and status about these 
issues. Those reports should be made publicly available.

Further discussion is required to reach consensus on the roles and 
responsibilities of stakeholders in Internet governance.

All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance 
ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly 
adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial.

It is expected that the NETmundial findings and outcomes feed other 
processes and forums, such as WSIS+10, IGF and all Internet governance 
discussions held in different organizations and bodies at all levels.

The follow up and future discussions of topics listed in this document 
should prompt the creation of expert groups, task forces or groups of 
facilitators convened by existing entities or bodies. They should 
present reports of their works in major Internet governance meetings.


-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society
T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
-------------------
Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School
M: +1 520 314 7147 | W: http://yaleisp.org
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From nnenna75 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 12:09:48 2014
From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 16:09:48 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Wikileaks releases Penultimate
 NetMundial Outcome Document
In-Reply-To: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org>
References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <CADFgh10K0Ld37dO+rZEnWzPHoOTMaqcOYFJd7fsycfzKmNH2=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Still reading..

N


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>wrote:

> PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm
>
> https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/
>
> NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document
> Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT
>
> Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome
> Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting
> on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international
> conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted
> in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for
> internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina,
> Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South
> Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was
> prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from
> the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level
> Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises
> ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is
> due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9.
>
>
>
> Outcome Document
> ----------------
>
> This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder Committee
> (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC).
>
> Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014
>
> ### **[0. Introduction](#introduction)**
>
> The Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance,
> also known as NETmundial, is convened to discuss two important issues
> relevant for the future evolution of the Internet, in an open and
> Multistakeholder fashion:
>
> -   Internet Governance Principles, and
> -   Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet Governance Ecosystem
>
> The recommendations in this document have been prepared with the view to
> guiding NETmundial to consensus. This has been a collaborative effort among
> representatives of all stakeholder groups.
>
> More than 180 contributions have been received from all stakeholders
> around the globe. Those contributions have been taken as the basis for the
> elaboration of the recommendations here submitted to the participants of
> NETmundial towards the development of broad consensus.
>
> The recommendations of NETmundial are intended to constitute valuable
> contribution to be used in other Internet Governance related fora and
> entities.
>
> ### **[1. Internet Governance Principles Introduction.](#internet_
> governance_principles)**
>
> NETmundial identified a set of common principles and important values that
> may serve as the foundation for an inclusive, Multistakeholder, effective,
> legitimate, and evolving Internet Governance framework. Human Rights
>
> Principles related to Human Rights.
>
> Human rights are central values that should underpin Internet governance
> principles. Rights that people have offline must also be protected online,
> in accordance with international human rights law, including the Universal
> Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenants on Civil and
> Political Rights and Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Those rights
> include, but are not limited to:
>
> -   Access to information and the free flow of information
> -   Freedom of association
> -   Freedom of expression: Everyone has the right to hold and express
> opinions, and to seek, receive, and impart information on the Internet
> without arbitrary interference.
> -   Privacy: People should be able to exercise their right to privacy
> online the same way they do offline, including avoiding arbitrary or
> unlawful collection of personal data and surveillance.
> -   Accessibility: People with disabilities should be granted full access
> to online resources.
> -   Culture and linguistic diversity: Cultural and linguistic diversity
> should be encouraged and supported in a non-discriminatory manner.
> -   Development: The Internet has a vital role to play in helping to
> achieve the full realization of internationally agreed sustainable
> development goals.
>
> ### **[Internet Infrastructure](#internet_infrastructure)**
>
> Principles related to the Internet infrastructure.
>
> To preserve an unfragmented, interconnected, interoperable, secure,
> stable, resilient, sustainable, and trustworthy Internet.
>
> SECURITY, STABILITY AND RESILIENCY
>
> Internet as an universal global resource, should remain a secure, stable,
> resilient and trustworthy network. Effectiveness in handling security
> depends on strong and constant cooperation among different stakeholders.
>
> -   Security, stability, robustness and resilience of the Internet should
> be a key objective of all stakeholders in Internet governance.
>
> SINGLE AND UNFRAGMENTED SPACE
>
> The Internet should continue to be a globally coherent interconnected,
> unfragmented, scalable and accessible network which allows the free flow of
> data packets throughout the community, with:
>
> -   A common set of unique identifiers
> -   A stable and globally coherent Internet operations
>
> OPEN AND DISTRIBUTED ARCHITECTURE
>
> The Internet should be preserved as a fertile and innovative environment
> and an open system architecture, with voluntary collaboration, collective
> stewardship and participation, recognizing technical management principles
> for efficient and improved network operation and preserving:
>
> -   End-to-end nature of the network
> -   Equal treatment to all protocols and data, delivered by the underlying
> communications
>
> ENABLING ENVIRONMENT FOR INNOVATION
>
> The ability to innovate has been at the heart of the remarkable growth of
> the Internet and it brought great value to the global society. For the
> preservation of its dynamism, Internet must continue to allow
> permission-less innovation through an enabling environment.
>
> OPEN ACCESS/PLATFORM
>
> The Internet should be an open and accessible platform, promoting fair
> access to any content, applications and services at the user's choice.
> Internet should be a tool for equal opportunity and development, based on:
>
> -   Minimal barriers: There should be no unreasonable barriers or
> unnecessary burdens to entry for new users
> -   Universality: Access to the Internet should become universal as an
> effective tool for human development and social inclusion.
> -   Agility: Policies for access to Internet service should be future
> oriented and technology neutral, able to accommodate rapidly developing
> technologies and different types of use.
> -   Neutrality: The Internet should remain a neutral, free from
> discrimination, so as to encourage free expression, the free flow of
> information and ideas, creativity, innovation and entrepreneurship
> -   Intermediary liability should be limited in line with international
> best practice
> -   Diversity: The Internet must respect and promote diversity in all its
> forms
>
> ### **[Internet Governance Process](#internet_governance_process)**
>
> Principles related to Internet governance decision-making processes and
> arrangements.
>
> Internet governance should be open, participatory, Multistakeholder,
> technology-neutral, sensitive to human rights and based on principles of
> transparency, accountability and inclusiveness, among others:
>
> -   Multistakeholder: with the full participation of governments, the
> private sector, civil society, the technical community, the academia and
> users in their respective roles and responsibilities.
> -   Open, participatory, process driven governance: The development of
> international Internet-related public policies and Internet governance
> arrangements should enable full and balanced participation of all
> stakeholders from around the globe.
> -   Transparent: it should be easy to understand how decisions are made,
> processes should be clearly documented and follow agreed procedures;
> procedures which should have been developed and agreed through
> Multistakeholder processes.
> -   Accountable: mechanisms for checks and balances as well as for redress
> should exist.
> -   Inclusive: Internet governance institutions and processes should be
> inclusive and open to all interested stakeholders. Processes should be
> bottom-up, enabling the full involvement of all stakeholders in a way does
> not disadvantage any category of stakeholder.
> -   Distributed: A governance characterized by distributed and
> Multistakeholder mechanisms and organizations.
> -   Collaborative: Internet governance should be based on and encourage
> collaborative and cooperative approaches to policy development that reflect
> the inputs and interests of stakeholders.
> -   Enabling meaningful participation: All stakeholders should be able to
> participate in any internet governance process. Particularly, Internet
> governance institutions and processes should support capacity building for
> newcomers, especially stakeholders from developing countries and
> underrepresented groups.
>
> ### **[Standards](#standards)**
>
> Principles related to the technical standardization of the Internet
>
> OPEN STANDARDS
>
> The Internet should be unique, interoperable, resilient, decentralized,
> secure, interconnected, and based on open public standards, embracing:
>
> -   Openness: allows for sharing and innovation, respecting rights and
> accessibility enabling global competition;
> -   Interoperability: Open Standards facilitate interoperability and
> enable all to fully participate in the global network.
> -   Stability: The open nature of the Internet allows its continued
> growth, resilience and stability.
> -   Open development: Informed by individual and collective expertise and
> practical experience, decisions made by open consensus rather than voting.
> -   Innovation: Open Standards serve as building blocks for further
> innovation and contribute to the creation of global communities.
> -   Human rights: Standards must respect human rights contributing to the
> creation of global communities.
> -   Availability: Open standards specifications on which the Internet is
> based should be made accessible to all for implementation and deployment.
>
> ### **[2. Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet
> Governance](#roadmap)**
>
> ### **[I. Introduction](#roadmap_introduction)**
>
> The objective of this roadmap is to recommend the steps forward in the
> process of continuously improving the existing Internet governance
> framework ensuring full involvement of all stakeholders. Internet
> governance framework is a distributed and coordinated ecosystem involving
> various organizations and fora. It must be inclusive, transparent and
> accountable, and its structures and operations must follow a model that
> enable the participation of all stakeholders in order to address the
> interests of all those who benefit from the Internet. The implementation of
> the Tunis Agenda has demonstrated the value of the Multistakeholder model
> in Internet governance. The valuable contribution of all stakeholders to
> Internet governance should be recognized. Due to the successful experiences
> this model should be further strengthened, improved and evolved. Internet
> governance should serve as a catalyst for development and for promotion of
> human rights. Participation should reflect geographic balance and include
> stakeholders from developing and least developed countries.
>
> Issues that deserve attention of the community in the Internet governance
> future evolution.
>
> -   Internet governance decisions are sometimes taken without the
> meaningful participation of all stakeholders. It is important that
> Multistakeholder decision-making and policy formulation are improved in
> order to ensure the full participation of all interested parties,
> recognizing the different roles played by different stakeholders.
> -   Enhanced cooperation to address international public policy issues
> pertaining to the Internet must be fully implemented on a consensual basis.
> It is important that all stakeholders commit to advancing this discussion
> through the working group created to this purpose under UN CSTD and/or
> other international Multistakeholder dialogues.
> -   Stakeholder representatives appointed to Multistakeholder Internet
> governance processes should be selected through open and transparent
> processes. Different stakeholder groups should self-manage their processes
> based on publicly known mechanisms.
> -   There is a need to develop Multistakeholder mechanisms at the local
> level since a good portion of Internet governance issues should be tackled
> at this level. Local Multistakeholder mechanisms should serve as a link
> between local discussions and regional and global instances. Therefore a
> fluent coordination and dialogue across those different dimensions is
> essential.
> -   There should be meaningful participation by all interested parties in
> Internet governance discussions and decision-making, with attention to
> geographic, stakeholder and gender balance in order to avoid asymmetries.
> -   The establishment of enabling mechanisms including capacity building
> and empowerment mechanisms, such as remote participation or adequate
> funding, and access to meaningful and timely information are essential for
> promoting inclusive and effective Internet governance.
> -   All stakeholders must renew their commitment to build a people
> centered, inclusive and development oriented Information Society. Therefore
> in pursuing the improvements of the Internet governance ecosystem, the
> focus on Digital Development Agenda should be retained.
> -   Internet governance discussions would benefit from improved
> communication and coordination between technical and non-technical
> communities, providing a better understanding about the policy implications
> in technical decisions and technical implications in policy decision.
>
> ### **[Issues dealing with institutional improvements.](#issues_inst_
> improvements)**
>
> -   There is a need for mechanisms to consider emerging topics and issues
> that are not currently being adequately addressed by existing Internet
> governance arrangements and usually referred as orphan issues.
> -   There is a need for a strengthened Internet Governance Forum (IGF).
> Important recommendations to that end were made by the UN CSTD working
> group on IGF improvements. Improvements should include inter-alia:
>
>     -   Improved outcomes. Even keeping the nature of IGF as a
> non-decision-making body, improvements can be implemented including
> creative ways of providing outcomes/recommendations and the analysis of
> policy options.
>     -   Extending the IGF mandate beyond five-year terms, and considering
> the IGF as a permanent forum.
>     -   Ensuring guaranteed stable and predictable funding for the IGF is
> essential.
>     -   The IGF should adopt mechanisms to promote worldwide discussions
> between meetings. The 1Net initiative could possibly provide a platform for
> Multistakeholder intercessional dialogue.
>
>     A strengthened IGF could better serve as a platform for discussing
> those orphans and emerging issues already mentioned in the previous point
> with a view to contributing to the identification of possible ways to
> address them.
>
> -   There should be adequate communication and coordination among existing
> forums, task forces and organizations of the Internet governance ecosystem.
> Periodical reports, formal liaisons and timely feedbacks are examples of
> mechanisms that could be implemented to that end. It would be recommendable
> to analyze the option of creating Internet governance coordination
> mechanisms to perform on-going monitoring, analysis, and
> information-sharing functions.
> -   In the follow up to the recent announcement of US Government with
> regard to its intent to transition the stewardship of IANA functions, the
> discussion about mechanisms for guaranteeing the transparency and
> accountability of those functions after the US Government role ends, has to
> take place through an open process with the participation of all
> stakeholders extending beyond the ICANN community. The IANA functions are
> currently performed under policies developed in processes hosted by several
> organizations and forums. Any adopted mechanism should protect the bottom
> up, open and participatory nature of those policy development processes and
> ensure the stability and resilience of the Internet. It is desirable to
> keep an adequate separation between the policy process and its operational
> aspects. This transition should be completed by September 2015.
> -   It is expected that the process of globalization of ICANN speeds up
> leading to a truly international and global organization with an
> independent status and clear accountability mechanisms that satisfy
> requirements from its own stakeholders and from the global community. The
> relevant, balanced, and active representation from all regions and
> stakeholders in the ICANN structure is a key issue in the process of a
> successful globalization.
>
> ### **[Issues dealing with specific Internet Governance
> topics](#issues_governance_topics)**
>
> 1. Security and Stability
>
> -   It is necessary to continue working pursuing international agreements
> on topics such jurisdiction, law enforcement assistance to promote
> cybersecurity and prevent cybercrime. Discussions about those frameworks
> should be held in a Multistakeholder manner. International agreements
> should include measures of restraining cyber weapons development and
> deployment.
> -   Initiatives to improve cybersecurity and address security threats
> should involve collaboration among private sector, researchers, technical
> experts, governments and NGOs. There are stakeholders that still need to
> become more involved with cybersecurity, for example network operators and
> software developers.
> -   There is room for new forums and initiatives, they should not
> duplicate, but to add to current structures. All stakeholders should aim to
> leverage from and improve these already existing cybersecurity
> organizations. The experience accumulated by several of them, for example
> the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST) and Computer
> Incident Response Teams (CERTs/CSIRTs), demonstrates that, in order to be
> effective, any cybersecurity initiative depends on cooperation among
> different stakeholders, and it can't be achieved via a single organization
> or structure.
>
> 2. Internet Surveillance ? Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines
> trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet Governance ecosystem. Mass
> surveillance and contradicts some of the principles proposed in this
> document. Surveillance should be conducted in accordance with the
> ?Necessary and Proportionate? principles. More dialogue is needed on this
> topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights
> Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the related aspects.
>
> 3. Capacity building - One of the key requirements for realization of
> Internet governance principles is ensuring that diverse stakeholders have
> not merely the opportunity for nominal participation, but in fact the
> formation and the resources for effective participation. Capacity building
> is important to support the emergence of true Multistakeholder communities,
> especially in those regions where the participation of some stakeholders
> group needs to be further strengthened.
>
> ### **[Points to be further discussed beyond NETmundial:](#points_further_
> disc)**
>
> Several contributions to NETmundial identified points that need further
> discussion and better understanding regarding the following:
>
> -   Different roles and responsibilities of stakeholders on the Internet
> governance ecosystem, including the meaning and application of equal
> footing.
> -   Jurisdiction issues and how they relate to Internet governance.
> -   A principles based code of conduct and related indicators for the
> Internet governance ecosystem.
>
> ### **[Key messages](#key_messages)**
>
> The Internet governance ecosystem needs to continuously evolve as
> described above, strengthening the Multistakeholder model across the entire
> ecosystem.
>
> Capacity building is a crucial aspect to enhance the participation of all
> stakeholders in a meaningful way.
>
> The IGF should be strengthened.
>
> There are issues that are not being treated properly by existing Internet
> governance mechanisms. IGF is one of the venues for discussing ways to deal
> with those issues.
>
> It is expected that ICANN continues working in evolving the organization
> toward a more global organization with a balanced participation of all
> stakeholders.
>
> The US Government?s special role with regard to the IANA functions should
> end in a short term and the transition should be conducted in an open,
> participatory and responsible manner.
>
> All the organizations with responsibilities in Internet governance
> ecosystem have to develop principles for transparency, accountability and
> inclusiveness and implement them. All the organizations should prepare
> periodical reports on their progresses and status about these issues. Those
> reports should be made publicly available.
>
> Further discussion is required to reach consensus on the roles and
> responsibilities of stakeholders in Internet governance.
>
> All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance
> ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly
> adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial.
>
> It is expected that the NETmundial findings and outcomes feed other
> processes and forums, such as WSIS+10, IGF and all Internet governance
> discussions held in different organizations and bodies at all levels.
>
> The follow up and future discussions of topics listed in this document
> should prompt the creation of expert groups, task forces or groups of
> facilitators convened by existing entities or bodies. They should present
> reports of their works in major Internet governance meetings.
>
>
> --
> Pranesh Prakash
> Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society
> T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org
> -------------------
> Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School
> M: +1 520 314 7147 | W: http://yaleisp.org
> PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash
>
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From rishab.bailey at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 14:01:39 2014
From: rishab.bailey at gmail.com (Rishab Bailey)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 23:31:39 +0530
Subject: [governance] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the
 Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair
Message-ID: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of
NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the
meeting), please find attached:

(a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
Virgilio Almeida,
(b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio
Almeida;
(b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.

Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper
giving some of the context behind this:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx

Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning
plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.

Regards,
Rishab Bailey
(for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
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From jefsey at jefsey.com  Tue Apr  8 14:37:33 2014
From: jefsey at jefsey.com (Jefsey)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 20:37:33 +0200
Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome
 Document
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At 17:56 08/04/2014, Pranesh Prakash wrote:

>PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm
>https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/
>
>NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document
>Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT

Thank you for the news. All this seems nominal. However, the devil is 
in details and further misunderstandings.

I entered the text under: 
http://dnsa.org/index.php/Wikileaks:_preparation_of_NETmundial2014
The talk page will list the relevant comments from IUsers point of view.

Best

jfc




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From rishab.bailey at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 16:04:04 2014
From: rishab.bailey at gmail.com (Rishab Bailey)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 01:34:04 +0530
Subject: [governance] Knowledge Commons statement on NetMundial Outcome
 Document (leaked by Wikileaks)
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Dear All,

You may have seen that Wikileaks released the first draft of the NetMundial
outcome document earlier today.

Please find appended below, a response from Knowledge Commons which can
also be viewed on our website at
http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/?page_id=214.

Regards,
Rishab

--------

*Knowledge Commons Statement on Draft NetMundial document leaked by
Wikileaks*

*8 April 2014*



Knowledge Commons has carefully examined the text on the Wikileaks
website<https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/#efmEr-E0c>that
purports to be the first iteration of the outcome document for
NetMundial.



Given we have read and analyzed all of the 187 submissions to NetMundial, we
believe that the leaked document generally reflects the inputs
received. Further,
Knowledge Commons makes the following observations and recommendations:



First, the document recognises the Internet as a 'universal global
resource' [in Section 1. Internet Infrastructure]. Knowledge Commons
believes that the Internet has become more than a resource, it is a public
good and global commons upon which trade, media, education, health and
government systems rely.



Second, the document appropriately emphasizes the need for reform to
democratize the multistakeholder system, acknowledging that decisions are
taken without meaningful participation and in the absence of geographic and
gender balance [in Section 2. Roadmap for the future evolution of
Internet Governance]. Knowledge Commons believes there would be greater
utility in clearly defining the roles and responsibilities of various
stakeholders and specifying the elements of a minimum standard set of
guidelines, operating procedures, or the identification of an entity to
elaborate these modalities for multistakeholder fora.


Third, Knowledge Commons strongly welcomes the call for new international
agreements on cyber weapons development and deployment [in Section 2.
Issues dealing with specific Internet governance topics]. As more and more
critical infrastructure resources around the world are maintained and
operated through digital mechanisms, ensuring the security of these
installations from targeted attacks is critical.  Such an agreement is the
core business of governments. . A multilateral agreement ensuring cyber
peace and de-militarising the Internet is essential if we are not to see
the Balkanisation of the Internet.



Fourth, the document acknowledges that changes to the IANA function need to
take place through discussion rather than announcement and
that such discussion is still to take place [in Section 2. Issues dealing
with Institutional Improvements].  Knowledge Commons notes that
ICANN, which should be an independent entity immune from any jurisdiction,
will be charged with the process, but given the document also acknowledges
the current flaws in participation and decision making processes, believes
that improved modalities and minimum standards should be applied in this
discussion and decision making process.


Fifth, the document condemns mass surveillance for undermining trust in the
Internet. [in Section 2. Issues dealing with Institutional Improvements].
Knowledge Commons believes that democracy itself has been damaged and so
too has diplomacy. The NetMundial should be calling for the cessation of
the practices of the 5 Eyes countries that violate sovereignty of states
and the human rights of citizens.  While some countries may unilaterally
declare such practices and the operation of secret courts lawful, the
NetMundial meeting should more strongly resist the wholesale disregard for
human rights including by ensuring that permissible derogation is
proportionate and necessary.
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From carolina.rossini at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 16:06:41 2014
From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 16:06:41 -0400
Subject: [governance] video up - The Global War for Internet Governance with
 Dr. Laura DeNardis
Message-ID: <CAK-FJAeZ9XpUDQO61tF3xyeF3bOJN0paD217hhYOLVzHpg9gCQ@mail.gmail.com>

The Global War for Internet Governance with Dr. Laura DeNardis

http://newamerica.net/events/2014/global_war_for_internet_governance

*Featured Speakers:*
*Dr. Laura DeNardis
<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001Y5Ai6o_aZhaE9IgUl774v5POs7XpCG_7AhSxgWpsvguT4rN5u9GL-NxChdoheaTtAtuDrMSutYTzBC_3jb-ASL9vsXOcKsCe2RD1X9fC3fciAb36ko2u7B1B7m1Aj1H1gq0Zw8sOctYWhJK__p822nO1JPFNsjIA>*

Author of *The Global War for Internet Governance*
Professor in the School of Communication, American University

*Benoni Belli*
Minister Counselor at the Embassy of Brazil in Washington D.C.

*Richard Beaird*
Senior International Policy Advisor at Wiley Rein LLP

*Emma Llanso*
Director of Center for Democracy and Technology's Free Expression Project

*Organizer and Moderator:*
*Carolina Rossini
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 19:54:50 2014
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:54:50 +1200
Subject: [governance] Threats to Online Freedom of Expression in Fiji
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiDaNZ+w1C8NwnP4akJeR6p8EnNTNk2KwdhH9kXNB023XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I wish all those who are making tracks to Brazil the very best for the Net
Mundial. This is a brief note to say that, Fiji recently promulgated the
Electoral Decree. We do not have a Parliament at the moment but will have
one after Elections.

*Section 63 of the Electoral Decree says any person is prohibited from
communicating political messages by telephone, internet, email, social
media or other electronic means 48 hours before polling opens.*

*Violating the decree can result in a 27,000 US dollar fine, or 10 years in
jail.*

The Transcripts of the Interview with a journalist or the audio pod can be
found here:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/2591849/fiji-constitution-would-trump-any-decree-in-court-lawyer

Kind Regards,

Sala
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From suresh at hserus.net  Tue Apr  8 20:09:41 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 05:39:41 +0530
Subject: [governance] Threats to Online Freedom of Expression in Fiji
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiDaNZ+w1C8NwnP4akJeR6p8EnNTNk2KwdhH9kXNB023XQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwbTiDaNZ+w1C8NwnP4akJeR6p8EnNTNk2KwdhH9kXNB023XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89FE82A1-865A-40A6-8ED7-5F15839B1401@hserus.net>

It does make sense to have a moratorium on election campaigning for upto two days before the polls begin, and this prevents last minute rumors being started up against any candidate, or other dirty tricks (text message that the election is cancelled,mor polling station shifted to another location etc)

--srs (iPad)

> On 09-Apr-2014, at 5:24, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I wish all those who are making tracks to Brazil the very best for the Net Mundial. This is a brief note to say that, Fiji recently promulgated the Electoral Decree. We do not have a Parliament at the moment but will have one after Elections. 
> Section 63 of the Electoral Decree says any person is prohibited from communicating political messages by telephone, internet, email, social media or other electronic means 48 hours before polling opens.
> 
> Violating the decree can result in a 27,000 US dollar fine, or 10 years in jail.
> 
> The Transcripts of the Interview with a journalist or the audio pod can be found here:
> 
> http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/2591849/fiji-constitution-would-trump-any-decree-in-court-lawyer 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Sala
> 
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Apr  9 03:32:34 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:02:34 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [discuss] Wikileaks releases Penultimate
 NetMundial Outcome Document
In-Reply-To: <E1WXcx4-0005Z9-MT@shire.syminet.com>
References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> <E1WXcx4-0005Z9-MT@shire.syminet.com>
Message-ID: <5344F792.30705@itforchange.net>


On Wednesday 09 April 2014 02:16 AM, Michel Gauthier wrote:
>
>> At 17:56 08/04/2014, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>>> https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/
>
> The number of occurences of some words:

democracy 0, multistakeholder - 17

people - 4, stakeholder - 34

Compare this with any other key political document related to 
constitutional moments like the Netmundial meetings - you will find 
repeated references to people and democracy, and hardly any to 
stakeholders and MSism.....

A silent political revolution is taking place, right under our noses, as 
the proverbial Nero plays the flute...

parminder



>
> Internet 77
> stakeholder 34
> Multisakeholder 17
> IGF 12
> Human rights 11
> NETmundial 9
> government 5
> ICANN 4
> IANA 3
> User 3
> globalization 2
> neutrality 1
> IP 0
> domain name 0
> DNS 0
> root 0
>
> Interesting indication of the political priorities.
>
> M G
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> discuss mailing list
> discuss at 1net.org
> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From suresh at hserus.net  Wed Apr  9 04:01:00 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:31:00 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [discuss] Wikileaks releases Penultimate
 NetMundial Outcome Document
In-Reply-To: <5344F792.30705@itforchange.net>
References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org>
 <E1WXcx4-0005Z9-MT@shire.syminet.com>
 <5344F792.30705@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <145458102f0.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net>

This is not a political or intergovernmental document. So the use or non 
use of some terminology becomes quite an obvious choice.


On 9 April 2014 1:03:06 pm parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

>
> On Wednesday 09 April 2014 02:16 AM, Michel Gauthier wrote:
> >
> >> At 17:56 08/04/2014, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
> >>> https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/
> >
> > The number of occurences of some words:
>
> democracy 0, multistakeholder - 17
>
> people - 4, stakeholder - 34
>
> Compare this with any other key political document related to 
> constitutional moments like the Netmundial meetings - you will find 
> repeated references to people and democracy, and hardly any to stakeholders 
> and MSism.....
>
> A silent political revolution is taking place, right under our noses, as 
> the proverbial Nero plays the flute...
>
> parminder
>
>
>
> >
> > Internet 77
> > stakeholder 34
> > Multisakeholder 17
> > IGF 12
> > Human rights 11
> > NETmundial 9
> > government 5
> > ICANN 4
> > IANA 3
> > User 3
> > globalization 2
> > neutrality 1
> > IP 0
> > domain name 0
> > DNS 0
> > root 0
> >
> > Interesting indication of the political priorities.
> >
> > M G
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > discuss mailing list
> > discuss at 1net.org
> > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
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From garth.graham at telus.net  Wed Apr  9 14:08:07 2014
From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:08:07 -0700
Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome
 Document
In-Reply-To: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org>
References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <AB23B7DC-234F-4834-A728-0E3D17EDF623@telus.net>

There are two key words used in this draft document that are mutually exclusive but not acknowledged as such - "universal" and "distributed."  Universal is mechanistic and comes from the world of management control, where systems are closed and rules are imposed on them from outside.  It reflects a conventional belief that the future can and should be rendered more predictable.  Distributed describes a functional principle of complex adaptive systems, i.e. the world of ecosystems, where systems are open and rules emerge from internal relationships.  The future of such systems cannot be known from their initial conditions.  These two words represent structural principles of governance that are incompatible.  I have always believed that the existence of the Internet was a symptom of the distributed systems worldview in action.

To effectively increase the resilience of the Internet Governance Ecosystem, it is not enough to reference open systems.  The processes of rules formation and future anticipation should be trending towards that word distributed and its internal relational implications.   It seems to me that this document does not fully take the implications of distributed open systems to heart.  The evidence of an intention to cling to the universal is the call that:

> All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial.

To make such a commitment would be to accept that there are universal principles external to the Internet Governance ecosystem that govern what it can do and that can render its future more predictable.  That pushes us towards some global centralizing mechanism.  It's also bad systems theory.  For example, if we defined the global in distributed terms as a "federation of locals," <http://cirn.wikispaces.com/CI+Declaration+-+Principle+8+Discussion> rather than as a universalizing principle, we insure that what we commit to is a process where the rules structuring relational interdependencies evolve within from common practice.

GG

On 2014-04-08, at 8:56 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:

> PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm
> 
> https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/
> 
> NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document
> Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT
> 
> Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina, Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9.
> 
> Outcome Document
> ----------------
> This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC).
> Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014


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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 15:28:15 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 15:28:15 -0400
Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome
 Document
In-Reply-To: <AB23B7DC-234F-4834-A728-0E3D17EDF623@telus.net>
References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> <AB23B7DC-234F-4834-A728-0E3D17EDF623@telus.net>
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN7apzb5S3igN6z8dfnsz23b3sujY8R7YGNv8CGkeiPMHg@mail.gmail.com>

> All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance
ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly
adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial.

In this paragraph are we supposed to read "are expected to commit" as "it
is probable that they will commit" or "they must commit"? Either meaning is
possible in the context.
Deirdre


On 9 April 2014 14:08, Garth Graham <garth.graham at telus.net> wrote:

> There are two key words used in this draft document that are mutually
> exclusive but not acknowledged as such - "universal" and "distributed."
>  Universal is mechanistic and comes from the world of management control,
> where systems are closed and rules are imposed on them from outside.  It
> reflects a conventional belief that the future can and should be rendered
> more predictable.  Distributed describes a functional principle of complex
> adaptive systems, i.e. the world of ecosystems, where systems are open and
> rules emerge from internal relationships.  The future of such systems
> cannot be known from their initial conditions.  These two words represent
> structural principles of governance that are incompatible.  I have always
> believed that the existence of the Internet was a symptom of the
> distributed systems worldview in action.
>
> To effectively increase the resilience of the Internet Governance
> Ecosystem, it is not enough to reference open systems.  The processes of
> rules formation and future anticipation should be trending towards that
> word distributed and its internal relational implications.   It seems to me
> that this document does not fully take the implications of distributed open
> systems to heart.  The evidence of an intention to cling to the universal
> is the call that:
>
> > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance
> ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly
> adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial.
>
> To make such a commitment would be to accept that there are universal
> principles external to the Internet Governance ecosystem that govern what
> it can do and that can render its future more predictable.  That pushes us
> towards some global centralizing mechanism.  It's also bad systems theory.
>  For example, if we defined the global in distributed terms as a
> "federation of locals," <
> http://cirn.wikispaces.com/CI+Declaration+-+Principle+8+Discussion>
> rather than as a universalizing principle, we insure that what we commit to
> is a process where the rules structuring relational interdependencies
> evolve within from common practice.
>
> GG
>
> On 2014-04-08, at 8:56 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>
> > PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/
> >
> > NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document
> > Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT
> >
> > Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome
> Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting
> on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international
> conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted
> in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for
> internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina,
> Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South
> Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was
> prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from
> the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level
> Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises
> ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is
> due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9.
> >
> > Outcome Document
> > ----------------
> > This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder
> Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder
> Committee (HLMC).
> > Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014
>
>
>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Apr 10 01:47:25 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:17:25 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>


I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...

this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society 
groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from 
India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of 
NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the 
global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed 
disrespectful of the Indian civil society.

Now, we have a newspaper report 
<http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx> 
which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much 
more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as 
NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.

May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net 
steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive 
committee and high level committee.

At least please respond to the issue.

  If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what 
they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil 
society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society 
involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now 
further exacerbated by the news report 
<http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx> 
in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.

Thanks

parminder

On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of 
> NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair 
> for the meeting), please find attached:
>
> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. 
> Virgilio Almeida,
> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. 
> Virgilio Almeida;
> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>
> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper 
> giving some of the context behind this: 
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx 
>
>
> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning 
> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>
> Regards,
> Rishab Bailey
> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)

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From anriette at apc.org  Thu Apr 10 02:26:07 2014
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:26:07 +0200
Subject: [governance] APC looking for policy comms person
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Apologies for cross posting. Analia Lavin whom many of you might have met is leaving us soon to do a Phd so we are lookin for someone new.. Spanish and French fluency would be important.

Anriette.
--------

APC to hire communications officer: http://www.apc.org/en/node/19142

Association for Progressive Communications (apc.org) has an opening for
a communications officer to participate in the virtual communications
team of the world's oldest online progressive network. The position is
60-80% time on a one-year contract with the option to renew if funding
is available. Candidates should be available to begin in June 2014. The
deadline for applications is 29 April 2014.

*Job profile*
You will lead communications work for one of APC's two programmes, our
Communications and Internet Policy Programme (CIPP).

We are looking for someone who has:
* At least five years experience in communications, media relations and
social marketing
* Developed successful strategies and plans for campaigns, events and
publication dissemination
* Measurable success with campaigns and dissemination via social media,
Twitter in particular
* Experience working completely online including managing projects remotely
* A concise, creative, confident communication style, with a strong
visual sense and excellent English writing and editing skills
* Experience working in the non-profit sector, specifically in internet
policy
* Experience dealing with multiple cultures and languages.

Note that fluency in French, Spanish will be a distinct advantage.

*Communications, media and social outreach*
You will work on a four-person editorial team to produce original news
and feature content in English, French and Spanish. A suitable,
qualified candidate could also be appointed as editorial chief of our
French-language website (APC.org/fr) and our twice-monthly
French-language newsletter, APCNouvelles.

On issues related to communications and internet policy, you will act as
international media liaison and sometimes spokesperson with primarily
print, web and radio media in English (and potentially Spanish and
French). You will assist the communications team in developing and
monitoring relationships with the media and in the production of media
releases.

You will keep APC up to date in social networking spaces, planning and
coordinating strategic approaches to product launches and events.

You will join one other communications officer in reporting to the
communications manager and will work on a day-to-day basis with the CIPP
manager and staff, as well as the entire APC staff and its members. Most
of the work takes place in mailing lists.

*Remuneration and working conditions*
The remuneration for this position is negotiable depending on skills,
qualifications and experience.
The successful applicant is expected to provide his or her own computer,
have easy access to an internet connection, and work during normal
office hours. Reimbursement for office supplies and communication costs
will be covered by APC. While much of the communications work will take
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*How to apply*
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of your application
* Two references: names, relationship, contact details; at least one of
these should be related to an online communications initiative in which
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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Apr 10 02:52:26 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:22:26 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <1454a68a458.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net>

Given that most people on the list don't know her from adam, there isn't as 
much point as you would think in entering into a he said she said series of 
accusations against any specific individual.


On 10 April 2014 11:18:34 am parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

>
> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>
> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a 
> few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote 
> a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was 
> most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with 
> regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian 
> civil society.
>
> Now, we have a newspaper report 
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx> 
> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much more 
> importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as 
> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
>
> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering 
> committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and 
> high level committee.
>
> At least please respond to the issue.
>
>   If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil 
> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society 
> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further 
> exacerbated by the news report 
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx> 
> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.
>
> Thanks
>
> parminder
>
> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of 
> NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the 
> meeting), please find attached:
> >
> > (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. 
> Virgilio Almeida,
> > (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. 
> Virgilio Almeida;
> > (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
> >
> > Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper 
> giving some of the context behind this: 
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx 
> >
> >
> > Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning 
> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rishab Bailey
> > (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Thu Apr 10 03:23:21 2014
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:23:21 +1000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>

Hi Parminder,

I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back, but let me respond again as this is escalating.

Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet governance were available – including from India, and including women from India.

However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more of us who share that.

The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the elements of a personal attack.

So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the prevailing circumstances.

Ian Peter

 



From: parminder 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net 
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair


I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...

this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society.

Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.

May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and high level committee. 

At least please respond to the issue.

If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further exacerbated by the news report in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. 

Thanks

parminder 


On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:

  Dear All,

  Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the meeting), please find attached:

  (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida,
  (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida;
  (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.

  Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper giving some of the context behind this:  http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx 

  Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.

  Regards,
  Rishab Bailey
  (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)





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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Apr 10 03:33:05 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:03:05 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>
 <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <1454a8dcff8.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net>

+1


On 10 April 2014 12:54:14 pm "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

> Hi Parminder,
>
> I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back, 
> but let me respond again as this is escalating.
>
> Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the 
> appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also 
> agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet 
> governance were available – including from India, and including women from 
> India.
>
> However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi 
> Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly 
> feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is 
> becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only 
> “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more 
> of us who share that.
>
> The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil 
> society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and 
> may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the 
> elements of a personal attack.
>
> So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while 
> recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial 
> contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than 
> optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep 
> appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue 
> personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the 
> prevailing circumstances.
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> From: parminder Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net 
> Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society 
> organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil 
> society co-chair
>
>
> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>
> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a 
> few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote 
> a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was 
> most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with 
> regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian 
> civil society.
>
> Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of 
> plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who 
> is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. 
> And still no response.
>
> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering 
> committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and 
> high level committee.
> At least please respond to the issue.
>
> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they 
> would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil 
> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society 
> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further 
> exacerbated by the news report in a top national daily of India. And we 
> find no visible support.
> Thanks
>
> parminder
>
> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>
>   Dear All,
>
>   Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of 
>   NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the 
>   meeting), please find attached:
>
>   (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. 
>   Virgilio Almeida,
>   (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio 
>   Almeida;
>   (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>
>   Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper 
>   giving some of the context behind this:  
>   http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>
>   Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning 
>   plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>
>   Regards,
>   Rishab Bailey
>   (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>
>
>
>
>
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From avri at acm.org  Thu Apr 10 03:49:05 2014
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:49:05 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <53464CF1.7070401@acm.org>


Ian,

Thank you for this.  I was afraid to jump into this discussion, but I
want to endorse what you have said.

avri

On 10-Apr-14 03:23, Ian Peter wrote:
> Hi Parminder,
>  
> I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks
> back, but let me respond again as this is escalating.
>  
> Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
> appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
> agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
> governance were available – including from India, and including women
> from India.
>  
> However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
> Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues,
> particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is
> that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian
> woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And
> there are plenty more of us who share that.
>  
> The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some
> civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular
> “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions.
> However, it has the elements of a personal attack.
>  
> So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
> recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
> contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less
> than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil
> society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not
> to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial
> in the prevailing circumstances.
>  
> Ian Peter
>  
>  
>  
>  
> *From:* parminder <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
> organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> society co-chair
>  
> 
> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
> 
> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from
> India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of
> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the
> global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed
> disrespectful of the Indian civil society.
> 
> Now, we have a newspaper report
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much
> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as
> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
> 
> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive
> committee and high level committee.
> 
> At least please respond to the issue.
> 
> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society
> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now
> further exacerbated by the news report
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> parminder
> 
> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of
>> NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair
>> for the meeting), please find attached:
>>
>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>> Virgilio Almeida,
>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>> Virgilio Almeida;
>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>>
>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper
>> giving some of the context behind this: 
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>>
>>
>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning
>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rishab Bailey
>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
> 
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From lorena at collaboratory.de  Thu Apr 10 04:00:19 2014
From: lorena at collaboratory.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lorena_Jaume-Palas=ED?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:00:19 +0200
Subject: AW: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil
 Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of
 civil society co-chair
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+1



Von Samsung Galaxy Note gesendetAvri Doria <avri at acm.org> hat geschrieben:
Ian,

Thank you for this.  I was afraid to jump into this discussion, but I
want to endorse what you have said.

avri

On 10-Apr-14 03:23, Ian Peter wrote:
> Hi Parminder,
>  
> I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks
> back, but let me respond again as this is escalating.
>  
> Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
> appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
> agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
> governance were available – including from India, and including women
> from India.
>  
> However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
> Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues,
> particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is
> that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian
> woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And
> there are plenty more of us who share that.
>  
> The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some
> civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular
> “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions.
> However, it has the elements of a personal attack.
>  
> So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
> recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
> contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less
> than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil
> society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not
> to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial
> in the prevailing circumstances.
>  
> Ian Peter
>  
>  
>  
>  
> *From:* parminder <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
> organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> society co-chair
>  
> 
> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
> 
> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from
> India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of
> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the
> global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed
> disrespectful of the Indian civil society.
> 
> Now, we have a newspaper report
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much
> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as
> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
> 
> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive
> committee and high level committee.
> 
> At least please respond to the issue.
> 
> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society
> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now
> further exacerbated by the news report
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> parminder
> 
> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of
>> NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair
>> for the meeting), please find attached:
>>
>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>> Virgilio Almeida,
>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>> Virgilio Almeida;
>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>>
>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper
>> giving some of the context behind this: 
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>>
>>
>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning
>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rishab Bailey
>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
> 
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Apr 10 05:10:30 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:40:30 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <53466006.80804@itforchange.net>

Ian

Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or 
amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who 
is behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy 
if you respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had 
learnt on considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the 
position of civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian 
government? Why would a similar subversive act of US big business look 
any different to you, and your supporters here?

parminder

PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below 
makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/ 
newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of 
your stance.


On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
> Hi Parminder,
> I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks 
> back, but let me respond again as this is escalating.
> Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the 
> appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I 
> also agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of 
> internet governance were available – including from India, and 
> including women from India.
> However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi 
> Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, 
> particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is 
> that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young 
> Indian woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being 
> ambitious. And there are plenty more of us who share that.
> The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some 
> civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular 
> “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. 
> However, it has the elements of a personal attack.
> So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while 
> recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial 
> contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less 
> than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil 
> society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is 
> not to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during 
> NetMundial in the prevailing circumstances.
> Ian Peter
> *From:* parminder <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; 
> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil 
> Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment 
> of civil society co-chair
>
> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>
> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society 
> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations 
> from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of 
> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from 
> the global networks with regard to that representation, which is 
> indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society.
>
> Now, we have a newspaper report 
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx> 
> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much 
> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as 
> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
>
> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net 
> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive 
> committee and high level committee.
>
> At least please respond to the issue.
>
> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what 
> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil 
> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society 
> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now 
> further exacerbated by the news report 
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx> 
> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.
>
> Thanks
>
> parminder
>
> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair 
>> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society 
>> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached:
>>
>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. 
>> Virgilio Almeida,
>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. 
>> Virgilio Almeida;
>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>>
>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper 
>> giving some of the context behind this: 
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx 
>>
>>
>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning 
>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rishab Bailey
>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From anriette at apc.org  Thu Apr 10 05:45:42 2014
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:45:42 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <53465BD5.303@apc.org>
References: <53465BD5.303@apc.org>
Message-ID: <53466846.3040208@apc.org>

Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier.

Anriette

-----------

Dear Parminder and all

I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil
society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection
process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have
been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important
for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples
when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty
roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case
selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an
example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder
processes which so many of you have discussed.

But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to
move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the
event, and on our influence on the outcomes.

Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put
these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process.
Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have
put into this event.  They are working very, very hard to make it
inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the
process gives everyone equal voice.

I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made
to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of
certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I
think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use
this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be.
Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising
CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at
whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs.

I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil
society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a
personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have
positive outcomes.

At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the
substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For
example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than
it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in
the draft outcome doc.

Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these
processes become less adhoc in the future.

Anriette


On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote:
>
> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>
> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations
> from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of
> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from
> the global networks with regard to that representation, which is
> indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society.
>
> Now, we have a newspaper report
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much
> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as
> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
>
> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive
> committee and high level committee.
>
> At least please respond to the issue.
>
>  If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society
> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now
> further exacerbated by the news report
> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.
>
> Thanks
>
> parminder
>
> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair
>> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society
>> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached:
>>
>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>> Virgilio Almeida,
>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>> Virgilio Almeida;
>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>>
>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper
>> giving some of the context behind this:
>>  http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>>
>>
>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning
>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rishab Bailey
>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>

-- 
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 06:25:58 2014
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 06:25:58 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <53466006.80804@itforchange.net>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Ian.

These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
with zero evidence behind it.

"Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly
close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change
is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at
Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. "

Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing.

I agree with Anriette.  It is also impolitic.

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> Ian
>
> Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or
> amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is
> behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if you
> respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on
> considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of
> civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why
> would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to you,
> and your supporters here?
>
> parminder
>
> PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below
> makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/
> newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of your
> stance.
>
>
> On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
>
> Hi Parminder,
>
> I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back,
> but let me respond again as this is escalating.
>
> Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
> appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
> agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
> governance were available – including from India, and including women from
> India.
>
> However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
> Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly
> feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is
> becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only
> “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more
> of us who share that.
>
> The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil
> society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and
> may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the
> elements of a personal attack.
>
> So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
> recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
> contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than
> optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep
> appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue
> personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the
> prevailing circumstances.
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
>
>
> From: parminder
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
> organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> society co-chair
>
>
> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>
> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a
> few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote
> a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was
> most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with
> regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian
> civil society.
>
> Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of
> plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who
> is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And
> still no response.
>
> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering
> committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and
> high level committee.
>
> At least please respond to the issue.
>
> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they
> would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society...
> Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG
> writing a representation, about issues that are now further exacerbated by
> the news report in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible
> support.
>
> Thanks
>
> parminder
>
> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of
> NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the
> meeting), please find attached:
>
> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
> Virgilio Almeida,
> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio
> Almeida;
> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>
> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper giving
> some of the context behind this:
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>
> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning plagiarism
> charges) are also attached to this email.
>
> Regards,
> Rishab Bailey
> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>
>
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From iza at anr.org  Thu Apr 10 06:52:02 2014
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:52:02 +0900
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,
I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on the
selection process, but was afraid to say more than that  as I have little
capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right inside
Indian CS community.

Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive
approach.

Let's move on.

Izumi


2014年4月10日木曜日、McTim<dogwallah at gmail.com>さんは書きました:

> I agree with Ian.
>
> These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
> with zero evidence behind it.
>
> "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly
> close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change
> is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at
> Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. "
>
> Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing.
>
> I agree with Anriette.  It is also impolitic.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> wrote:
> > Ian
> >
> > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or
> > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is
> > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if
> you
> > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on
> > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of
> > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why
> > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to
> you,
> > and your supporters here?
> >
> > parminder
> >
> > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below
> > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/
> > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of
> your
> > stance.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
> >
> > Hi Parminder,
> >
> > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks
> back,
> > but let me respond again as this is escalating.
> >
> > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
> > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
> > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
> > governance were available - including from India, and including women
> from
> > India.
> >
> > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
> > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues,
> particularly
> > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is
> > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose
> only
> > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty
> more
> > of us who share that.
> >
> > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some
> civil
> > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and
> > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the
> > elements of a personal attack.
> >
> > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
> > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
> > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less
> than
> > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society
> rep
> > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue
> > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the
> > prevailing circumstances.
> >
> > Ian Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: parminder
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
> > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> > society co-chair
> >
> >
> > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
> >
> > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
> groups a
> > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India
> wrote
> > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was
> > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with
> > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the
> Indian
> > civil society.
> >
> > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of
> > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly
> who
> > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business.
> And
> > still no response.
> >
> > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
> steering
> > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee
> and
> > high level committee.
> >
> > At least please respond to the issue.
> >
> > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they
> > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
> society...
> > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG
>


-- 
                     >> Izumi Aizu <<
Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
Japan
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 08:56:34 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:56:34 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
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In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as
Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her
from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the
statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should
be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community.
Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be
recognised by civil society as coming from among them.
Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be
focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting.
Deirdre


On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on
> the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that  as I have
> little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right
> inside Indian CS community.
>
> Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive
> approach.
>
> Let's move on.
>
> Izumi
>
>
> 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTim<dogwallah at gmail.com>さんは書きました:
>
> I agree with Ian.
>>
>> These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
>> with zero evidence behind it.
>>
>> "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly
>> close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change
>> is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at
>> Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. "
>>
>> Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing.
>>
>> I agree with Anriette.  It is also impolitic.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Ian
>> >
>> > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or
>> > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who
>> is
>> > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if
>> you
>> > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on
>> > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of
>> > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why
>> > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to
>> you,
>> > and your supporters here?
>> >
>> > parminder
>> >
>> > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below
>> > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/
>> > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of
>> your
>> > stance.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Parminder,
>> >
>> > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks
>> back,
>> > but let me respond again as this is escalating.
>> >
>> > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
>> > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
>> > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
>> > governance were available - including from India, and including women
>> from
>> > India.
>> >
>> > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
>> > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues,
>> particularly
>> > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is
>> > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose
>> only
>> > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty
>> more
>> > of us who share that.
>> >
>> > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some
>> civil
>> > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”,
>> and
>> > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the
>> > elements of a personal attack.
>> >
>> > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
>> > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
>> > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less
>> than
>> > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society
>> rep
>> > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue
>> > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the
>> > prevailing circumstances.
>> >
>> > Ian Peter
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: parminder
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
>> > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>> > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
>> > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
>> > society co-chair
>> >
>> >
>> > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>> >
>> > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
>> groups a
>> > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India
>> wrote
>> > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was
>> > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with
>> > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the
>> Indian
>> > civil society.
>> >
>> > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of
>> > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly
>> who
>> > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big
>> business. And
>> > still no response.
>> >
>> > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
>> steering
>> > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee
>> and
>> > high level committee.
>> >
>> > At least please respond to the issue.
>> >
>> > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
>> they
>> > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
>> society...
>> > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG
>>
>
>
> --
>                      >> Izumi Aizu <<
> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
> Japan
> www.anr.org
>
>
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Thu Apr 10 09:32:18 2014
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:32:18 +0900
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
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On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:

> In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community. Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be recognised by civil society as coming from among them.

After members of a number of Indian civil society organizations raised this matter a few weeks ago, we asked for clarification through the executive multistakeholder committee.  We were told the selection of co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting.  This is not unusual, for example the selection of Chair of the IGF and IGF session chairs is the choice of the host country.  It seems no stakeholder group was consulted about these appointments, civil society has not been treated differently (that of course does not make it right.)  So it doesn't really matter if we "don't know her from adam" (hello :-)).

I am not saying this is the correct way to continue, and hopefully we'll see relevant text about the broader issue of selection for such positions in the NETmundial drafts.

As for the content of the newspaper article, there's a lot of conjecture and not very much relevant fact.  That is not to dismiss the concerns of the organizations raising the complaint, but there's not much hard evidence. I agree with Anriette's comments.

Adam



> Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting.
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
> Hi, 
> I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that  as I have little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right inside Indian CS community.
> 
> Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive approach.
> 
> Let's move on.
> 
> Izumi
> 
> 
> 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTim<dogwallah at gmail.com>さんは書きました:
> 
> I agree with Ian.
> 
> These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
> with zero evidence behind it.
> 
> "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly
> close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change
> is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at
> Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. "
> 
> Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing.
> 
> I agree with Anriette.  It is also impolitic.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> 
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> > Ian
> >
> > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or
> > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is
> > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if you
> > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on
> > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of
> > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why
> > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to you,
> > and your supporters here?
> >
> > parminder
> >
> > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below
> > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/
> > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of your
> > stance.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
> >
> > Hi Parminder,
> >
> > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back,
> > but let me respond again as this is escalating.
> >
> > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
> > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
> > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
> > governance were available – including from India, and including women from
> > India.
> >
> > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
> > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly
> > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is
> > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only
> > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more
> > of us who share that.
> >
> > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil
> > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and
> > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the
> > elements of a personal attack.
> >
> > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
> > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
> > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than
> > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep
> > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue
> > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the
> > prevailing circumstances.
> >
> > Ian Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: parminder
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
> > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> > society co-chair
> >
> >
> > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
> >
> > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a
> > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote
> > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was
> > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with
> > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian
> > civil society.
> >
> > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of
> > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who
> > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And
> > still no response.
> >
> > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering
> > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and
> > high level committee.
> >
> > At least please respond to the issue.
> >
> > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they
> > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society...
> > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG
> 
> 
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From garth.graham at telus.net  Thu Apr 10 09:33:01 2014
From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 06:33:01 -0700
Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome
 Document
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That's a good question, particularly because the capacity of the individual to make a choice, and to thereby gain the freedom that results from commitment, is fundamental to the formation of community.  But, in that phrase, "is expected to commit," I'm hearing someone undefined asking "all" who come to the table to swear something like an oath of allegiance.  Elsewhere in the draft, you become defined as an "interested party" by "committing to "advancing this discussion" within a particular framework.  Then there's a phrase with an imperative, "All stakeholders MUST renew their commitment to build a people centered, inclusive and development oriented Information Society."  Isn't there a whiff of the ecclesiastical in this language?  WSIS never defined "Information Society" and neither does this draft NETmundial outcome document. It would seem to me that "trust, then run the Information Society's code" should be enough of a commitment.

I remain committed to community networking.  In the framework of exploring what happens to community when we are all online, I see that local issues of adapting the uses of the Internet for community development actually represent issues of governance.  I see that community is a critical structural element of the changing "distributed" nature of the societies that are emerging.  In another thread on IGC, Anriette Esterhuysen (April 10/14) noted the importance "for us to look at whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs."  I'm not finding the view that the global has become a federation of locals reflected in the document.

GG

On 2014-04-09, at 12:28 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:

> > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial.
> 
> In this paragraph are we supposed to read "are expected to commit" as "it is probable that they will commit" or "they must commit"? Either meaning is possible in the context.
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> On 9 April 2014 14:08, Garth Graham <garth.graham at telus.net> wrote:
> There are two key words used in this draft document that are mutually exclusive but not acknowledged as such - "universal" and "distributed."  Universal is mechanistic and comes from the world of management control, where systems are closed and rules are imposed on them from outside.  It reflects a conventional belief that the future can and should be rendered more predictable.  Distributed describes a functional principle of complex adaptive systems, i.e. the world of ecosystems, where systems are open and rules emerge from internal relationships.  The future of such systems cannot be known from their initial conditions.  These two words represent structural principles of governance that are incompatible.  I have always believed that the existence of the Internet was a symptom of the distributed systems worldview in action.
> 
> To effectively increase the resilience of the Internet Governance Ecosystem, it is not enough to reference open systems.  The processes of rules formation and future anticipation should be trending towards that word distributed and its internal relational implications.   It seems to me that this document does not fully take the implications of distributed open systems to heart.  The evidence of an intention to cling to the universal is the call that:
> 
> > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial.
> 
> To make such a commitment would be to accept that there are universal principles external to the Internet Governance ecosystem that govern what it can do and that can render its future more predictable.  That pushes us towards some global centralizing mechanism.  It's also bad systems theory.  For example, if we defined the global in distributed terms as a "federation of locals," <http://cirn.wikispaces.com/CI+Declaration+-+Principle+8+Discussion> rather than as a universalizing principle, we insure that what we commit to is a process where the rules structuring relational interdependencies evolve within from common practice.
> 
> GG
> 
> On 2014-04-08, at 8:56 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
> 
> > PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/
> >
> > NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document
> > Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT
> >
> > Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina, Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9.
> >
> > Outcome Document
> > ----------------
> > This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC).
> > Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014
> 
> 
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 10:46:36 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:46:36 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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"We were told the selection of co-chairs was the prerogative of the host
country chair of the meeting."
This is clearly something with which we are in no position to argue, since
it is not "our" meeting.
However any designation of that person as from civil society or
representing civil society is surely something that can be questioned. The
meeting has set great public store on inclusion, transparency and openness.
If the majority of persons already defined as "civil society" are
unfamiliar with the person chosen this becomes an important point, and such
a comment should be welcomed by the organisers.
But we don't yet know whether "the majority of persons already defined as
"civil society" are unfamiliar with the person chosen", so far we have only
conjecture. For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and
had some difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )
I would agree that personal issues about the person selected are not
particularly relevant at this point.
And yes, once again we urgently need to address ourselves to the meeting
documents as suggested by Anriette.
Deirdre


On 10 April 2014 09:32, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:

>
> On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>
> > In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as
> Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her
> from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the
> statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should
> be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community.
> Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be
> recognised by civil society as coming from among them.
>
> After members of a number of Indian civil society organizations raised
> this matter a few weeks ago, we asked for clarification through the
> executive multistakeholder committee.  We were told the selection of
> co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting.
>  This is not unusual, for example the selection of Chair of the IGF and IGF
> session chairs is the choice of the host country.  It seems no stakeholder
> group was consulted about these appointments, civil society has not been
> treated differently (that of course does not make it right.)  So it doesn't
> really matter if we "don't know her from adam" (hello :-)).
>
> I am not saying this is the correct way to continue, and hopefully we'll
> see relevant text about the broader issue of selection for such positions
> in the NETmundial drafts.
>
> As for the content of the newspaper article, there's a lot of conjecture
> and not very much relevant fact.  That is not to dismiss the concerns of
> the organizations raising the complaint, but there's not much hard
> evidence. I agree with Anriette's comments.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> > Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be
> focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting.
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> > On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on
> the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that  as I have
> little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right
> inside Indian CS community.
> >
> > Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive
> approach.
> >
> > Let's move on.
> >
> > Izumi
> >
> >
> > 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTim<dogwallah at gmail.com>さんは書きました:
> >
> > I agree with Ian.
> >
> > These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
> > with zero evidence behind it.
> >
> > "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly
> > close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change
> > is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at
> > Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. "
> >
> > Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing.
> >
> > I agree with Anriette.  It is also impolitic.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> wrote:
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or
> > > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who
> is
> > > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy
> if you
> > > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on
> > > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position
> of
> > > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government?
> Why
> > > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different
> to you,
> > > and your supporters here?
> > >
> > > parminder
> > >
> > > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below
> > > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the
> journalist/
> > > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of
> your
> > > stance.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Parminder,
> > >
> > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks
> back,
> > > but let me respond again as this is escalating.
> > >
> > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
> > > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
> > > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
> > > governance were available - including from India, and including women
> from
> > > India.
> > >
> > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
> > > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues,
> particularly
> > > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is
> > > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose
> only
> > > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty
> more
> > > of us who share that.
> > >
> > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some
> civil
> > > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”,
> and
> > > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has
> the
> > > elements of a personal attack.
> > >
> > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
> > > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
> > > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less
> than
> > > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil
> society rep
> > > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue
> > > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the
> > > prevailing circumstances.
> > >
> > > Ian Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: parminder
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
> > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> > > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
> > > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> > > society co-chair
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
> > >
> > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
> groups a
> > > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India
> wrote
> > > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It
> was
> > > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks
> with
> > > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the
> Indian
> > > civil society.
> > >
> > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of
> > > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows
> clearly who
> > > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big
> business. And
> > > still no response.
> > >
> > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
> steering
> > > committee members, and civil society members of the executive
> committee and
> > > high level committee.
> > >
> > > At least please respond to the issue.
> > >
> > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
> they
> > > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
> society...
> > > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in
> IG
> >
> >
> > --
> >                      >> Izumi Aizu <<
> > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
> > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
> > Japan
> > www.anr.org
> >
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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Apr 10 11:11:16 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:41:16 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+YNoKj93BYYxwf6oTREAiLDWV=Q+yfeb7komJAckDQrOTHnwg@mail.gmail.com> <CAMz5XN5QcYVxnJj_u=SHVqSjArEOh6gGoPp3f1Ja8R8EZ==fWA@mail.gmail.com> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <CAMz5XN6wWAOy+usN1QafEk4bNxVsHG8m0dhfPvPOzJLo+Nt=oA@mail.gmail.com>
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As someone else (Ian, right) pointed out she appears involved in other than igov civil society (womens empowerment etc) circles besides teaching at a top flight womens' college in New Delhi.   

--srs (iPad)

> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:16, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> "We were told the selection of co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting."
> This is clearly something with which we are in no position to argue, since it is not "our" meeting.
> However any designation of that person as from civil society or representing civil society is surely something that can be questioned. The meeting has set great public store on inclusion, transparency and openness. If the majority of persons already defined as "civil society" are unfamiliar with the person chosen this becomes an important point, and such a comment should be welcomed by the organisers.
> But we don't yet know whether "the majority of persons already defined as "civil society" are unfamiliar with the person chosen", so far we have only conjecture. For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )
> I would agree that personal issues about the person selected are not particularly relevant at this point.
> And yes, once again we urgently need to address ourselves to the meeting documents as suggested by Anriette.
> Deirdre
> 
> 
>> On 10 April 2014 09:32, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>> 
>> > In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community. Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be recognised by civil society as coming from among them.
>> 
>> After members of a number of Indian civil society organizations raised this matter a few weeks ago, we asked for clarification through the executive multistakeholder committee.  We were told the selection of co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting.  This is not unusual, for example the selection of Chair of the IGF and IGF session chairs is the choice of the host country.  It seems no stakeholder group was consulted about these appointments, civil society has not been treated differently (that of course does not make it right.)  So it doesn't really matter if we "don't know her from adam" (hello :-)).
>> 
>> I am not saying this is the correct way to continue, and hopefully we'll see relevant text about the broader issue of selection for such positions in the NETmundial drafts.
>> 
>> As for the content of the newspaper article, there's a lot of conjecture and not very much relevant fact.  That is not to dismiss the concerns of the organizations raising the complaint, but there's not much hard evidence. I agree with Anriette's comments.
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting.
>> > Deirdre
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that  as I have little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right inside Indian CS community.
>> >
>> > Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive approach.
>> >
>> > Let's move on.
>> >
>> > Izumi
>> >
>> >
>> > 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTim<dogwallah at gmail.com>さんは書きました:
>> >
>> > I agree with Ian.
>> >
>> > These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
>> > with zero evidence behind it.
>> >
>> > "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly
>> > close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change
>> > is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at
>> > Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. "
>> >
>> > Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing.
>> >
>> > I agree with Anriette.  It is also impolitic.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > McTim
>> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>> > > Ian
>> > >
>> > > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or
>> > > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is
>> > > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if you
>> > > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on
>> > > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of
>> > > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why
>> > > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to you,
>> > > and your supporters here?
>> > >
>> > > parminder
>> > >
>> > > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below
>> > > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/
>> > > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of your
>> > > stance.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Parminder,
>> > >
>> > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back,
>> > > but let me respond again as this is escalating.
>> > >
>> > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the
>> > > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also
>> > > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet
>> > > governance were available – including from India, and including women from
>> > > India.
>> > >
>> > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi
>> > > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly
>> > > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is
>> > > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only
>> > > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more
>> > > of us who share that.
>> > >
>> > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil
>> > > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and
>> > > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the
>> > > elements of a personal attack.
>> > >
>> > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while
>> > > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial
>> > > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than
>> > > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep
>> > > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue
>> > > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the
>> > > prevailing circumstances.
>> > >
>> > > Ian Peter
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From: parminder
>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM
>> > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>> > > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
>> > > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
>> > > society co-chair
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>> > >
>> > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a
>> > > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote
>> > > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was
>> > > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with
>> > > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian
>> > > civil society.
>> > >
>> > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of
>> > > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who
>> > > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And
>> > > still no response.
>> > >
>> > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering
>> > > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and
>> > > high level committee.
>> > >
>> > > At least please respond to the issue.
>> > >
>> > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they
>> > > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society...
>> > > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >                      >> Izumi Aizu <<
>> > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
>> > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
>> > Japan
>> > www.anr.org
>> >
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From avri at acm.org  Thu Apr 10 11:26:51 2014
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:26:51 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <CAMz5XN6wWAOy+usN1QafEk4bNxVsHG8m0dhfPvPOzJLo+Nt=oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+YNoKj93BYYxwf6oTREAiLDWV=Q+yfeb7komJAckDQrOTHnwg@mail.gmail.com> <CAMz5XN5QcYVxnJj_u=SHVqSjArEOh6gGoPp3f1Ja8R8EZ==fWA@mail.gmail.com> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <CAMz5XN6wWAOy+usN1QafEk4bNxVsHG8m0dhfPvPOzJLo+Nt=oA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote:
> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some
> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )


Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and
knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I
know some, and less well than others.

Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set.

avri

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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 11:30:54 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (williams.deirdre at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:30:54 +0000
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Thank you Avri.
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On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote:
> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some
> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )


Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and
knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I
know some, and less well than others.

Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set.

avri


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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Apr 10 11:37:40 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:07:40 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
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Good then.  Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says.  Thanks for pointing that out.

--srs (iPad)

> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some
>> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )
> 
> 
> Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and
> knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I
> know some, and less well than others.
> 
> Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set.
> 
> avri
> 
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Thu Apr 10 11:48:51 2014
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:48:51 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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I obviously (writing in my personal capacity, not representing anyone)
agree with Anriette.

I respect the internal divergences and political struggles within India,
but this "war on Chaturvedi" got out of proportion, particularly because
the locus of concrete decisions regarding NETmundial is *not* in the
meeting's chairship. A "war", incidentally, which I did not see when she
was appointed to the MAG, but then it might have happened and escaped me.

As the issue seems to be recurrent now, I am really concerned our
excellent and combative CS reps from India might take this as *the*
issue in the scant two days we will have in Sampa.

Prioritize, please!

fraternal regards

--c.a.

On 04/10/2014 06:45 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> -----------
> 
> Dear Parminder and all
> 
> I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil
> society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection
> process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have
> been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important
> for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples
> when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty
> roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case
> selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an
> example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder
> processes which so many of you have discussed.
> 
> But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to
> move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the
> event, and on our influence on the outcomes.
> 
> Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put
> these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process.
> Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have
> put into this event.  They are working very, very hard to make it
> inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the
> process gives everyone equal voice.
> 
> I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made
> to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of
> certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I
> think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use
> this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be.
> Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising
> CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at
> whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs.
> 
> I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil
> society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a
> personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have
> positive outcomes.
> 
> At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the
> substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For
> example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than
> it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in
> the draft outcome doc.
> 
> Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these
> processes become less adhoc in the future.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>>
>> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
>> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations
>> from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of
>> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from
>> the global networks with regard to that representation, which is
>> indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society.
>>
>> Now, we have a newspaper report
>> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
>> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much
>> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as
>> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
>>
>> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
>> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive
>> committee and high level committee.
>>
>> At least please respond to the issue.
>>
>>  If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
>> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
>> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society
>> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now
>> further exacerbated by the news report
>> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
>> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> parminder
>>
>> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair
>>> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society
>>> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached:
>>>
>>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>>> Virgilio Almeida,
>>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>>> Virgilio Almeida;
>>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>>>
>>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper
>>> giving some of the context behind this:
>>>  http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning
>>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rishab Bailey
>>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>>
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From isolatedn at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 12:02:17 2014
From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:32:17 +0530
Subject: [governance] Message relevant to a very small proportion of List
 participants: from the southern region of India: NETmundial Remote
 Participation Hub
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List participants from the southern region of India, who prefer Chennai as
a location for participation could take part from this Hub (There are five
hubs in India in Total. This is about the Chennai Hub to be organized and
operated by the Members of the Internet Society India Chennai)

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The registration form is at page
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https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c8qcjlodo83e59npikmbcsqbbcg?authkey=CJ_wlZCKtofiVQ

If you have friends from this region who may be interested, please share.

There is a more importance purpose in looking for participants from this
list:  Participants familiar with the Internet Governance process and the
current issues of relevance to NETmundial could offer an overview to those
who are new to Internet Governance. In this hub, there are likely to be
many who are new to the Internet Governance multi-stakeholder process and
to the issues.

Thank you
Sivasubramanian M




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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Thu Apr 10 12:05:19 2014
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:05:19 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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Very well said indeed, and unfortunately it did not go through earlier, at least to me. 
Kind regards,
Stephanie Perrin
On 2014-04-10, at 5:45 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:

> Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> -----------
> 
> Dear Parminder and all
> 
> I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder processes which so many of you have discussed.
> 
> But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the event, and on our influence on the outcomes.
> 
> Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process. Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have put into this event.  They are working very, very hard to make it inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the process gives everyone equal voice.
> 
> I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be. Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs.
> 
> I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have positive outcomes.
> 
> At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in the draft outcome doc.
> 
> Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these processes become less adhoc in the future. 
> 
> Anriette
> 
> 
> On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>> 
>> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society.
>> 
>> Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
>> 
>> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and high level committee. 
>> 
>> At least please respond to the issue.
>> 
>>  If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further exacerbated by the news report in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> parminder 
>> 
>> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the meeting), please find attached:
>>> 
>>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida,
>>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida;
>>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>>> 
>>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper giving some of the context behind this:  http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>>> 
>>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Rishab Bailey
>>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>> 
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Thu Apr 10 12:11:50 2014
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 01:11:50 +0900
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+YNoKj93BYYxwf6oTREAiLDWV=Q+yfeb7komJAckDQrOTHnwg@mail.gmail.com> <CAMz5XN5QcYVxnJj_u=SHVqSjArEOh6gGoPp3f1Ja8R8EZ==fWA@mail.gmail.com> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <CAMz5XN6wWAOy+usN1QafEk4bNxVsHG8m0dhfPvPOzJLo+Nt=oA@mail.gmail.com> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net>
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On Apr 11, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

> Good then.  Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her


Suresh, "parminder & friends" happen to be a very reputable group of civil society organizations with the long history of serious contributions to Internet governance dialogue.  They are also a very diverse group, that they are so united in this is a suggestion that we should pay attention. Your knee seems to be jerking again.  

And I agree with Carlos - "Prioritize, please!"

Adam




> doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says.  Thanks for pointing that out.
> 
> --srs (iPad)
> 
>> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>>> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some
>>> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )
>> 
>> 
>> Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and
>> knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I
>> know some, and less well than others.
>> 
>> Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set.
>> 
>> avri
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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Apr 10 12:56:10 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:26:10 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+YNoKj93BYYxwf6oTREAiLDWV=Q+yfeb7komJAckDQrOTHnwg@mail.gmail.com> <CAMz5XN5QcYVxnJj_u=SHVqSjArEOh6gGoPp3f1Ja8R8EZ==fWA@mail.gmail.com> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <CAMz5XN6wWAOy+usN1QafEk4bNxVsHG8m0dhfPvPOzJLo+Nt=oA@mail.gmail.com> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net> <A0AD5EE6-188C-4BBA-982C-F61AFA449842@glocom.ac.jp>
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There are some names there that I recognize and respect for their contributions. Others possibly less so.

This was simply an exercise in pointing out the aptness of avri's statement here.  If she knows this person to the extent she does, and the organizations that signed this letter do not, that is about the same as my not recognizing at least two or three out of the orgs in that group.

Which I agree is knee jerk but serves to highlight, by example, what appears to be a knee jerk reaction from said group of cs orgs.

--srs (iPad)

> On 10-Apr-2014, at 21:41, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>> 
>> Good then.  Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her
> 
> 
> Suresh, "parminder & friends" happen to be a very reputable group of civil society organizations with the long history of serious contributions to Internet governance dialogue.  They are also a very diverse group, that they are so united in this is a suggestion that we should pay attention. Your knee seems to be jerking again.  
> 
> And I agree with Carlos - "Prioritize, please!"
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says.  Thanks for pointing that out.
>> 
>> --srs (iPad)
>> 
>>> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>>>> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some
>>>> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and
>>> knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I
>>> know some, and less well than others.
>>> 
>>> Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set.
>>> 
>>> avri
>>> 
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From mueller at syr.edu  Thu Apr 10 17:35:07 2014
From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:35:07 +0000
Subject: [governance] RE: [discuss] Wikileaks releases Penultimate
 NetMundial Outcome Document
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-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter

> Good to know that the organisers have kindly prepared the conclusions 
> before the meeting. While that technique is often practiced by people 
> trying to avoid the inconvenience of argument and dissent, it's hardly 
> in the spirit of open debate and the emergence of a true consensus at the meeting itself.

This, coming from someone who has been defending ICANN's attempt to rule out of scope any proposal for the IANA transition that does not serve its organizational interest? How ironic. 

> I would have preferred to see a draft statement of the issues as a guideline 
> for debate. 

That's what it is, actually. 

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 18:23:27 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:23:27 -0700
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+YNoKj93BYYxwf6oTREAiLDWV=Q+yfeb7komJAckDQrOTHnwg@mail.gmail.com> <CAMz5XN5QcYVxnJj_u=SHVqSjArEOh6gGoPp3f1Ja8R8EZ==fWA@mail.gmail.com> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <CAMz5XN6wWAOy+usN1QafEk4bNxVsHG8m0dhfPvPOzJLo+Nt=oA@mail.gmail.com> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net> <A0AD5EE6-188C-4BBA-982C-F61AFA449842@glocom.ac.jp>
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Without commenting on the substance of the issues here and leaving aside
issues of the suitability of Ms. Chaturvedi's appointment from a "character"
perspective, something that perhaps would best be left to our Indian CS
colleagues for comment; what is of particular significance to international
Civil Society should be her suitability from a "political" perspective. 

Her evident ties to the corporate sector combined with the murky process of
her nomination/appointment as co-Chair of the event without apparent
consultation or evident deep ties to or extensive experience in the CS
community casts further shadows on the overall legitimacy of the NetMundial
multistakeholder process and its outcomes.

M 

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organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
society co-chair


On Apr 11, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

> Good then.  Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her


Suresh, "parminder & friends" happen to be a very reputable group of civil
society organizations with the long history of serious contributions to
Internet governance dialogue.  They are also a very diverse group, that they
are so united in this is a suggestion that we should pay attention. Your
knee seems to be jerking again.  

And I agree with Carlos - "Prioritize, please!"

Adam




> doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says.
Thanks for pointing that out.
> 
> --srs (iPad)
> 
>> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>>> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had 
>>> some difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) )
>> 
>> 
>> Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years 
>> and knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better 
>> than I know some, and less well than others.
>> 
>> Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly
set.
>> 
>> avri
>> 
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From jfcallo at ciencitec.com  Thu Apr 10 19:01:33 2014
From: jfcallo at ciencitec.com (jfcallo at ciencitec.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:01:33 +0000
Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested
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Parminder:
Interesante hecho. Quien le escribe, es un activista de Internet.  
Fundador de ISOC, Capitulo de Peru (Capitulo que no ha renovado su  
Directiva, pues quienm se arroga la presidencia se ha apropiado y es  
importante que sepa la Comunidad de Internet).
En efecto, ¿cual es el criterio para una Beca de las Organizaciones?.  
Por ejmplo muchas veces a pesar de garantizar replicar los acuerdos,  
diversificar lo aprendido, he postulado miles de ves a una Beca en  
LACNIC y veo en la lista que las Becas, siempre la ganan los mismos,  
un circulo de "amigos" que habla de masificación, desterrar la Brecha  
Digital, Governanza en Internet...¿un grupito es el que va a cambiar  
esto?. ¿saben las entidades que financian esto? lo que sucede cuando  
entregan su dinero para causas nobles y una casta la disfruta.
Es importante que se de a conocer algo como esto. No mas puertas  
cerradas y "conciliabulos".
Espero que lo pueda replicar en su idioma (English), pues no lo domino  
bien y pueda decir una cosa por otra.
Gracias
Atentamente
José F. Callo Romero
Comunicador Digital
Organizador: www.internautaperu.org



parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> escribió:

> Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had  
> sought funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me  
> information about how funding support works. Since I am not able to  
> help that person with this information, may I request those involved  
> with the meeting to provide it. Please note that this is urgent.  
> (The concerned person has received an email from ICANN informing him  
> that ICANN would support her/his travel for the meeting.)
>
> It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process  
> worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the  
> participants who were offered funding? What kind of criteria was  
> used? Why individual funders are approaching participants with  
> funding support, and why a centralised approach from the meeting  
> organisers was not made/ considered?  Whether there are other  
> funders too making such a direct approach? Who are the funders and  
> what amounts have been committed?
>
> If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society  
> participant declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could  
> create a potential problem because many civil society groups have  
> limitations on what kind of funding for travel etc they can accept  
> from private companies, especially those who work in their own  
> activity area , and under what conditions.
>
> I request early information on the above since the person who has  
> asked for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an  
> early decision about accepting the funding, given the short period  
> to the meeting.
>
> Thanks
>
> parminder
>
> PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for  
> Change have been offered support in a similar way and we have  
> accepted it.




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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 20:04:46 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:04:46 -0700
Subject: [governance] FW: LDC's Turning Backs on Multistakeholder Trade
 Agreements
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These “Investor Treaties” are the trade equivalent of multistakeholder governance processes <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2014/03/26/the-multistakeholder-model-neo-liberalism-and-global-internet-governance/>  in that they give the private sector equal rights with governments in determining the contents of sectoral trade agreements.

 

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SOUTHNEWS          No. 52, 10 April 2014

SOUTHNEWS is a service of the South Centre to provide information and news on topical issues from a South perspective.
Visit the South Centre’s website: www.southcentre.int.

Investor Treaties in Trouble

By Martin Khor
 
The tide is turning against investment treaties and free trade agreements that contain the controversial investor-state dispute system, as countries like Indonesia and Germany take action on this.

The tide is turning against investment treaties that allow foreign investors to take up cases against host governments and claim compensation of up to billions of dollars.
 
Indonesia has given notice to it will terminate its bilateral investment treaty (BIT) with the Netherlands, according to a statement issued by the Dutch Embassy in Jakarta last week.
 
“The Indonesian Government has also mentioned it intends to terminate all of its 67 bilateral investment treaties”, according to the same statement.
 
The Dutch statement has not been confirmed by Indonesia.  But if this is correct, Indonesia joins South Africa, which last year announced it is ending all its BITS.
 
Several other countries are also reviewing their investment treaties.  This is prompted by increasing numbers of cases being brought against governments by foreign companies who claim that changes in government policies or contracts affect their future profits.
 
Many countries have been asked to pay large compensations to companies under the treaties.  The biggest claim was against Ecuador, which has to compensate an American oil company US$ 2.3 billion for cancelling a contract.
 
The system empowering investors to sue governments in an international tribunal, thus bypassing national laws and courts, is a subject of controversy in Malaysia because it is part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) which the country is negotiating with 11 other countries.
 
The investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) system is contained in free trade agreements (especially those involving the United States) and also in BITS which countries sign among themselves to protect foreign investors’ rights.
 
When these treaties containing ISDS were signed, many countries did not know they were opening themselves to legal cases that foreign investors can take up under loosely worded provisions that allow them to win cases where they claim they have not been treated fairly or that there expected revenues have been expropriated.
 
Indonesia and South Africa are among many countries that faced such cases.  The Indonesian government has been taken to the ICSID tribunal based in Washington by a British company, Churchill Mining, which claimed the government violated the UK-Indonesia BIT when its contract with a local government in East Kalimantan was cancelled.
 
Reports indicate the company is claiming compensation of US$ 1 billion to US$ 2 billion in losses.
 
This and other cases taken against Indonesia prompted the government to review whether it should retain its many BITS.
 
South Africa had also been sued by a British mining company which claimed losses after the government introduced policies to boost the economic capacity of the blacks to redress apartheid policies.        
 
India is also reviewing its BITS, after many companies filed cases after the Supreme Court cancelled their 2G mobile communications licenses in the wake of a high-profile corruption scandal linked to the granting of the licenses.
 
But it is not only developing countries that are getting disillusioned by the ISDS.  Europe is getting cold feet over the investor-state dispute mechanism in the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) it is negotiating with the US, similar to the mechanism in the TPPA.
 
Several weeks ago, Germany told the European Commission that the TTIP must not have the investor-state dispute mechanism.
 
Brigitte Zypries, an economy minister, told the German parliament that Berlin was determined to exclude arbitration rights from the TTIP deal, according to the Financial Times.
 
“From the perspective of the [German] federal government, US investors in the EU have sufficient legal protection in the national courts,” she said.
 
The French trade minister had earlier voiced opposition to ISDS, while a report commissioned by the United Kingdom government also pointed out problems with the mechanism.
 
The European disillusionment has two causes.  ISDS cases are also affecting the countries.
 
Germany has been taken to ICSID by a Swedish company Vattenfall which claimed it suffered over a billion euros in losses resulting from the government’s decision to phase out nuclear power after the Fukushima disaster.
 
And the European public is getting upset over the investment system.  Two European organisations last year published a report showing how the international investment arbitration system is monopolised by a few big law firms, how the tribunals are riddled with conflicts of interest and the arbitrary nature of tribunal decisions.
 
That report caused shockwaves not only in the civil society but also among European policy makers.
 
In January, the European Commission suspended negotiations with the US on the ISDS provisions in the TTIP, and announced it would hold 90 days of consultations with the public over the issue.
 
In Australia, the previous government decided it would not have an ISDS clause in its future FTAs and BITS, following a case taken against it by Philip Morris International which claimed loss of profits because of laws requiring only plain packaging on cigarette boxes.
 
In Malaysia, the ISDS is one of the major controversial issues relating to the TPPA.  Many business, professional and public-interest groups want the government to exclude the ISDS as a “red line” in the TPPA negotiations.
 
Prime Minister Dato’ Sri Najib Tun Razak had also mentioned investment policy and ISDS as one of the issues (the others being government procurement and state owned enterprises) in the TTPA that may impinge on national sovereignty, when he was at the APEC Summit and TPPA Summit in Indonesia last year.
 
So far the United States has stuck to its position that ISDS has to be part of the TPPA and TTIP.  However if the emerging European opposition affects the TTIP negotiations, it could affect the TPPA as this would strengthen the position of those opposed to ISDS.
 
Meanwhile, we can also expect more countries to review their BITS.  Developing countries seeking to end their bilateral agreements with European countries can point to the fact that more and more European countries are themselves having second thoughts about the ISDS embedded in these agreements.
 

Author: Martin Khor is the Executive Director of the South Centre. Contact: director at southcentre.int.
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From nb at bollow.ch  Fri Apr 11 08:35:01 2014
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:35:01 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>
	<24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
	<53466006.80804@itforchange.net>
	<CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill>

McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
> with zero evidence behind it.

For what it's worth, I was in India in mid-February at a civil society
meeting focused on Internet governance, shortly after the appointment
of Subi Chaturvedi was announced. While it of course doesn't say too
much that a European like myself didn't know who she was, it in my
view says a lot that most of the Indians who were there didn't know who
she was either, and it seemed that the few who had first-hand knowledge
of her were outraged (considering her an "AT&T plant").

In my opinion, the one main benefit of multistakeholder processes is to
allow those perspectives and viewpoints and concerns to be fully and
duly taken into consideration for which this would not happen in other
types of policy processes, because most perspectives and viewpoints and
concerns don't enjoy the support of a powerful lobby.

Nota bene I'm not claiming that this benefit arises automatically in
any kind of multistakeholder process. Quite on the contrary, we need to
carefully design the future of governance in regard to any particular
subject matter area, in order to make sure to achieve this benefit
while at the same time also ensuring that fundamental principles such as
democracy, primacy of human rights, etc, are not violated.

Now in regard to Netmundial, which is aimed at trying to move us a step
forward in figuring out this future of governance, it is in my opinion
absolutely essential that any "civil society" appointment to a key
role, such as "civil society co-chair", must be someone who not only
has ambitions and some claim of being a member of civil society, but
someone with a track record of working to get those perspectives and
viewpoints and concerns which not always heard fully and duly taken into
consideration. This can't be done without becoming reasonably
well-known among other civil society groups as part of that process!!!

Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of
the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in itself.

If her appointment to this role at Netmundial is not reconsidered, that
in itself will, in my eyes at least, very seriously undermine any claim
of legitimacy of Netmundial as a whole.

Greetings,
Norbert

P.S. Cc list trimmed, in order to minimize crossposting.

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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Fri Apr 11 08:51:31 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:51:31 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
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References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com> <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill>
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+1


JC

Le 11 avr. 2014 à 14:35, Norbert Bollow a écrit :

> McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> These seem to be unfounded allegations.  In short a smear campaign
>> with zero evidence behind it.
> 
> For what it's worth, I was in India in mid-February at a civil society
> meeting focused on Internet governance, shortly after the appointment
> of Subi Chaturvedi was announced. While it of course doesn't say too
> much that a European like myself didn't know who she was, it in my
> view says a lot that most of the Indians who were there didn't know who
> she was either, and it seemed that the few who had first-hand knowledge
> of her were outraged (considering her an "AT&T plant").
> 
> In my opinion, the one main benefit of multistakeholder processes is to
> allow those perspectives and viewpoints and concerns to be fully and
> duly taken into consideration for which this would not happen in other
> types of policy processes, because most perspectives and viewpoints and
> concerns don't enjoy the support of a powerful lobby.
> 
> Nota bene I'm not claiming that this benefit arises automatically in
> any kind of multistakeholder process. Quite on the contrary, we need to
> carefully design the future of governance in regard to any particular
> subject matter area, in order to make sure to achieve this benefit
> while at the same time also ensuring that fundamental principles such as
> democracy, primacy of human rights, etc, are not violated.
> 
> Now in regard to Netmundial, which is aimed at trying to move us a step
> forward in figuring out this future of governance, it is in my opinion
> absolutely essential that any "civil society" appointment to a key
> role, such as "civil society co-chair", must be someone who not only
> has ambitions and some claim of being a member of civil society, but
> someone with a track record of working to get those perspectives and
> viewpoints and concerns which not always heard fully and duly taken into
> consideration. This can't be done without becoming reasonably
> well-known among other civil society groups as part of that process!!!
> 
> Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of
> the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in itself.
> 
> If her appointment to this role at Netmundial is not reconsidered, that
> in itself will, in my eyes at least, very seriously undermine any claim
> of legitimacy of Netmundial as a whole.
> 
> Greetings,
> Norbert
> 
> P.S. Cc list trimmed, in order to minimize crossposting.
> 
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 09:47:03 2014
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
 <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill>
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of
> the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in itself.

and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"?

Seriously?

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

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From ngreen260 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 10:30:04 2014
From: ngreen260 at gmail.com (Natalie Green)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:30:04 -0400
Subject: [governance] Open Tech Institute: How The DOTCOM Act Could Endanger
 Rather Than Protect Internet Freedom
Message-ID: <CAJSziHo_cF6T6_iT=MxnqC=EKZ6i6QMzA1st7HsmJof2uyaDrg@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for cross-posting

http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/how_the_dotcom_act_could_endanger_rather_than_protect_internet_freedom-107817

-- 
Natalie Green
*Program Associate, **Internet Freedom and Human Rights Program*
Open Technology Institute
New America Foundation
202-986-2700 ext. 3609
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Apr 11 10:38:18 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:08:18 +0530
Subject: [governance] Initial response of Just Net Coalition to the leaked
 NetMUndial draft
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Please find as below, and enclosed...


/*Initial response of Just Net Coalition to the early draft of 
NetMundial outcome document*/

11th April, 2014


We commend the NetMundial process for its openness in inviting, 
receiving and reviewing submissions from the range of public interest 
actors as well as private interest ones. We thank the Executive 
Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) for developing the first draft of their 
report which we had the opportunity to access through wikileaks and on 
which we would like to comment in advance of the finalized report.

We think that the EMC has made a sincere effort to combine the various 
inputs into a coherent whole and the resulting draft provides some 
useful elements. We must observe however that the inputs cannot be 
viewed as being truly representative of the totality of Internet users, 
much less of the totality of the world’s population which should benefit 
from the Internet, because the there is a great dis-balance in terms of 
groups and constituencies that have contributed inputs.

We especially note positively the mention of the 'necessary and 
proportionate' principles for surveillance practices and the need for an 
international treaty to deal with jurisdictional issues, cyber crime and 
to restrain cyber weapons. We also commend the recommendations on open 
and inclusive IG processes at all level, particularly the inclusion of 
participation of all interested actors.

Having said this, we must express our dissatisfaction with the current 
document as having largely failed to meet the high expectations of a new 
start that the world community had placed on the NetMundial meeting. 
That high expectation was not necessarily to achieve full consensus: we 
know that many issues are contentious. The expectation was that there 
would be a full and open airing of the issues, with frank and robust 
discussions.

Reading between the lines, it is clear that the document effectively 
endorses the current Internet Governance status quo along with 
suggestions for minor changes. While being able to present substantially 
new proposals for change may have been difficult at such short notice, 
sadly we see the document as not even opening up new directions, and in 
fact perhaps closing down some that are currently being discussed in 
other places. In our view, the document avoids dealing with contentious 
issues. We believe that it is essential that the existence of such 
contentious issues be openly acknowledged, in particular since some of 
those issues have been under discussion for years and are of fundamental 
importance.

The document does not contain any forwarding looking proposals for 
addressing the absence of any means or mechanisms at the global level 
that could democratically address the urgent and important public policy 
issues that currently face the global community. Further the document 
fails even to appropriately frame the problem. In this sense it 
represents a retreat from the Tunis Agenda – which is surprising, since 
during the 10 years since the Tunis agenda was written the the global 
importance of public policy issues pertaining to the Internet has only 
exponentially increased in importance.

It is noteworthy that the Tunis agenda is referred to only once in the 
whole document, and in that instance as indicating quite incorrectly 
that that the Tunis Agenda has been implemented: “The implementation of 
the Tunis Agenda has demonstrated the value of the Multistakeholder 
model in Internet governance.” Such a statement, suggesting closure on 
Tunis Agenda, is really surprising especially when there is a UN working 
Group that is currently mandated to develop recommendations to 'fully 
implement Tunis Agenda' especially with regard to the key issue of 
addressing Internet-related public policy issues.

After saying that mechanisms may be needed to address 'emerging' public 
policy issues (using the unfortunate term 'orphan issues' which gives a 
kind of 'residual' status to one of the most significant set of global 
public policy issues) the draft veers towards recommending (1) Internet 
Governance Forum (IGF) as the principal site for addressing of these 
issue (although in a bit apologetic and round about language) and (2) 
improving information flows between existing fora dealing with 
Internet-related public policy issues.

While some believe that IGF needs to be strengthened as a global policy 
dialogue space, and that all kinds of information flows between 
concerned institutions enhanced, this recipe for 'institutional reform' 
basically just rubber stamps the status quo of global Internet 
governance. This approach would mean that there would continue to be no 
global policy mechanisms to respond to the range of issues that have and 
are emerging globally concerning the impact of the Internet in economic 
restructuring and in helping to ameliorate the extreme concentrations of 
economic, social, cultural and geo-political controls that are emerging 
on and through the global Internet. The current draft completely fails 
at its central task, which is to give direction for responding to the 
principal problem facing the world today: how to channel the extremely 
powerful forces of the Internet into the support of the public good. It 
is this that we and many others believe to be the central challenge and 
opportunity for the NetMundial meeting.

The second major issue with the current document is that while it refers 
repeatedly to “multistakeholderism” and “stakeholders” as providing the 
frameworks for Internet Governance nowhere does it mention democracy or 
how multistakeholderism might contribute to or enhance the fundamental 
elements of democracy on which so much of human rights Internet freedom 
and social justice are based. This is truly alarming given the stridency 
with which so many actors are attempting to ensure that those pursuing 
private interests and the corporate sector have an equal role with those 
legitimately representing the public interest in the determination of 
public policy. It must be remembered that the Tunis Agenda repeatedly 
speaks of 'democratic (processes)' when referring to global Internet 
governance. Omission of this primary political norm from the NetMndial 
text is therefore highly objectionable and completely unacceptable.

The document must therefore underline that

 1.

    while the formulation of technical standards and technical
    coordination activities may most effectively be undertaken through
    an “equal footing of all stakeholders”, there is no basis for
    extending such a formulation or such mechanisms beyond the technical
    into broader areas of public policy decision making

 2.

    whereas all stakeholders should be able to freely input into public
    policy making processes, and even have a right to know how their
    inputs were considered, the right to make the final decisions on
    public policies rests with legitimate public interest actors that
    hold political responsibilities arising from formal democratic
    processes (this was also the process followed for the famous 'Marco
    Civil' legislation, and there can and should be no other kind of
    process for legitimate public policy making) .

While the draft document mentions the 'respective roles and 
responsibilities' of stakeholders in two places, these references are 
mitigated through questionable language in many other places in the 
document. The document should therefore clearly declare that MSism 
outside of the technical sphere is only operative within and as a 
contributor to the more fundamental democratic framework, and as well 
the term democratic should in all places be used in conjunction with the 
multistakeholder terminology. As the document calls for further 
discussions on 'respective roles and responsibilities' it should also be 
mentioned that such a discussion should take place within a larger 
discussion and debate on the relationship between democracy and MSism.

Specifically, one new item should be added to the Human Rights catalog 
under II on page 3: “Democracy: everyone shall have the right and 
opportunity to take part in the conduct of public affairs and public 
policy decisions, directly or through freely chosen representatives.”

A third issue with the current draft is the almost total neglect of 
global Internet-related public policy issues of an economic, social and 
cultural nature. While development and cultural diversity is mentioned 
in the context of “Internet principles”, there is nothing concerning key 
global public policy issues of this nature on the operations part, which 
though, admirably, does talk about global agreements on surveillance and 
cyber peace. As the Internet increasingly determines the global 
distribution of economic, social and cultural resources, we need global 
mechanisms to deal with the emerging distortions in such distribution. 
It was hoped that with a developing country taking the lead for the 
first time in steering a global IG discussion, such issues would come to 
the fore, not only in terms of statements of concerns, but also in terms 
of actual proposals for addressing them. The draft document needs 
significant improvement in this regard. (Also, a full mention of the 
term 'net neutrality' is needed and not just a reference to 'neutrality' 
which can be interpreted in different ways.)

Recognition of the Internet as a public good and a global commons must 
be stated as a primary principle underlying various Internet related 
public policies.

Further, even on issues such as democratization of technical 
coordination functions and their oversight, the document does not go 
beyond what has recently been declared by the US government and as is 
being pursued by ICANN. There is a need to discuss – without any 
preconditions – what kind of structure is most appropriate for managing 
the DNS and other critical Internet resources. We must for instance 
affirm the need for freeing such technical coordination functions from 
the jurisdiction of any one country, and the simultaneous need for 
appropriate oversight of these functions by the global community. 
**Specifically, the following should be added at the end of the second 
paragraph of 4 of III, on page 9, add: “The operational aspects must not 
be subject to the law of any one country, that is, they must benefit 
from immunity of jurisdiction.”

Given the limited time to evaluate and study this document, we are of 
the view that it should not be endorsed or approved at the meeting, it 
should be noted. It will then provide a useful input for further 
discussions.

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Apr 11 11:50:34 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:34 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: Other News - Developing Nations Seek U.N.
 Retaliation on Bank Cancellations
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3534.1397230857.1522.english@other-news.info>
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A news that needs to be read closely for those discussing ICANN's 
internationalisation....

parminder

> *Developing Nations Seek U.N. Retaliation on Bank Cancellations*
> **
> */By Thalif Deen/*
> UNITED NATIONS, Apr  2014 (IPS) - The 132-member Group of 77, the 
> largest single coalition of developing nations, has urged 
> Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to provide, "as soon as 
> possible...alternative options for banking services" in New York City 
> following the mass cancellation of bank accounts of U.N. missions and 
> foreign diplomats.
> The draft resolution, a copy of which was obtained by IPS, is an 
> "agreed text" which has the blessings of all 132 countries, plus China.
> Responding to a demand by member states for reciprocal retaliation, 
> the G77 requests the secretary-general to review the "U.N. 
> Secretariat's financial relations with the JP Morgan Chase Bank and 
> consider alternatives to such financial institutions and to report 
> thereon, along with the information requested."
> Currently, the bank handles billions of dollars in the accounts 
> maintained by the United Nations and its agencies in New York City.
> The Group expresses "deep concern" over the decisions made by several 
> banking institutions, including JP Morgan Chase, in closing bank 
> accounts of mostly developing countries, and diplomats accredited to 
> the United Nations and their relatives.
> The resolution, which is subject to amendments, cites the 1947 U.S.- 
> U.N. headquarters agreement that "guarantees the rights, obligations 
> and the fulfillment of responsibilities by member states towards the 
> United Nations, under the United Nations Charter and international law."
> Additionally, it cites the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic 
> Relations as a regulatory framework for states and international 
> organisations, in particular the working relationship between the 
> United Nations and the City of New York.
> Citing the two agreements, the G77 is calling for all "necessary 
> measures to ensure permanent missions accredited to the United Nations 
> and their staff are granted equal, fair and non-discriminatory 
> treatment by the banking system."
> Asked for an official response, U.N. Spokesperson Stephane Dujarric 
> told IPS: "We would not comment on a draft resolution."
> At a closed-door meeting of the G77 last month, speaker after speaker 
> lambasted banks in the city for selectively cutting off the banking 
> system from the diplomatic community, describing the action as 
> "outrageous".
> Their anger was directed mostly at JP Morgan Chase (formerly Chemical 
> bank) which was once considered part of the U.N. family -- and a 
> preferred bank by most diplomats -- and at one time was housed in the 
> secretariat building.
> The G77 is expected to hold consultations with member states outside 
> the Group, specifically Western nations, before tabling the resolution 
> with the 193-member General Assembly later this month.
> If any proposed amendments are aimed at weakening the resolution, the 
> G77 will go for a vote in the Assembly with its agreed text, a G77 
> diplomat told IPS Thursday.
> But with the Group having more than two-thirds majority in the 
> Assembly, the resolution is expected to be adopted either with or 
> without the support of Western nations.
> If adopted by a majority vote, the secretary-general is expected to 
> abide by the resolution and respond to its demands.
> The draft resolution also requests the secretary-general to review and 
> report to the General Assembly, within 120 days of its adoption, "of 
> any obstacles or impediments observed in the accounts of permanent 
> missions or their staff at the JP Morgan Chase Bank in the City of New 
> York, and the impact these impediments have on the adequate 
> functioning of their offices."
> And to this end, the G77 invites all members to provide the 
> secretary-general with relevant information that will facilitate the 
> elaboration of such report.
> In an appeal to the United States, the G77 has also underscored the 
> importance of the host country taking the necessary measures to ensure 
> that personal data and information of persons affected by the closure 
> of accounts is kept confidential by banking institutions, and requests 
> the secretary-general to work with the host country in that regard and 
> to report to the General Assembly within 90 days.
> The closure of accounts was triggered by a request from the U.S. 
> treasury, which wanted all banks to meticulously report every single 
> transaction of some 70 "blacklisted" U.N. diplomatic missions, and 
> individual diplomats -- perhaps as part of a monitoring system to 
> prevent money laundering and terrorism financing.
> But the banks have said such an elaborate exercise is administratively 
> expensive and cumbersome.
> And as a convenient alternative, they have closed down, or are in the 
> process of closing down, all accounts, shutting off banks from the 
> diplomatic community in New York.

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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Fri Apr 11 12:03:59 2014
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:03:59 +0200
Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: My thoughts on NETmundial
 and the Future of Internet Governance
Message-ID: <CAOLD2+brGinHY2Cf0C30WtLLBqhn6LBhKtRc5oGcF-DScd+hzA@mail.gmail.com>

[ Apologies if you receive this message multiple times ]

Dear all,

you might be interested to read the recent blog post of Neelie Kroes,
Vice-President of the European Commission and member of the High-Level
Multistakeholder Committee of NETmundial, available at
https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governanceand
reproduced below.

My thoughts on NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance
Published by Neelie
KROES<https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/users/neelie-kroes>on
Friday, 11/04/2014

As the European Commission clearly stated in its Communication on Internet
Policy and Governance<http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-142_en.htm>of
12 February 2014, conflicting visions on the future of the Internet
and
on how to strengthen its multistakeholder governance in a sustainable
manner have intensified recently. The next two years will be critical in
redrawing the global map of Internet governance. Europe must contribute to
finding a credible way forward for global internet governance; it must play
a strong role in defining how the internet is run and ensuring it remains a
single, un-fragmented network.

In less than two weeks, I will be travelling to Sao Paulo to attend NETmundial,
the Multi-stakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet
Governance<http://netmundial.br/>.
The purpose of NETmundial is to develop principles of Internet governance
and a roadmap for the future development of this ecosystem. This
international conference comes at a very timely moment in the debates on
Internet governance and I commend the Brazilian government, and in
particular President Dilma Rousseff, for taking this important initiative.

I was very pleased that the Brazilian Government asked me to join the
High-Level
Multi-stakeholder Committee of NETmundial <http://netmundial.br/hlmc/>,
which oversees the overall strategy of the meeting and fosters the
involvement of the international community.

The members of the High-Level Multi-stakeholder Committee recently received
a "draft outcome document", prepared on the basis of the more than 180
comments and submissions <http://content.netmundial.br/docs/contribs>(including
two<http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/roadmap-for-the-further-evolution-of-the-internet-governance-ecosystem/177>
submissions<http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/internet-governance-principles/176>by
the European Commission) to the conference. A public
consultation on the outcome
document<http://netmundial.br/blog/2014/04/08/information-regarding-the-draft-outcome-document/>is
going to be launched by the conference organisers very shortly.

In the meantime, I shared my observations on this draft document with my
colleagues in the High-Level Multi-Stakeholder Committee, the co-chairs of
the drafting team and with the secretariat of the conference; in a spirit
of transparency, I would like to also share them with the broader Internet
community.

++++++++

*From:*


* KROES Neelie (CAB-KROES)Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 7:26 PMTo:
'hlmc at netmundial.br <hlmc at netmundial.br>'Subject: RE: [HLMC] NETmundial
draft outcome document*



*Dear colleagues,*

*I read with great interest the "draft outcome document" for NETmundial
prepared by the Executive Meeting Committee (EMC). I would like to thank
the members of the EMC and the colleagues who supported them for the hard
work that went into drafting the document in such a short amount of time.*

*On behalf of the European Commission, I would like to share with you a
number of observations and considerations, which I trust will be useful as
we move forward towards meeting each other in Sao Paulo in two weeks' time.*

*It is in my view absolutely essential that we make a collective effort to
ensure that the final outcomes of NETmundial are concrete and actionable,
with clear milestones and with a realistic but ambitious timeline. As I had
the occasion to underline throughout my tenure as EU Commissioner for the
Digital Agenda and responsible for EU Internet governance policies - and as
the European Commission clearly asserted in our recent Communication on
Internet Policy and Governance - I strongly believe that we need to put on
the table an evolutionary but concrete agenda for addressing the
limitations - whether real or perceived - of the current multi-stakeholder
model for the governance of the Internet.*

*In this sense, I regret to say that I find the draft outcome document too
abstract and vague when it comes to the proposed roadmap. I understand the
challenges that the EMC had to face in summarising the many contributions
that were submitted, and I trust my remarks will be taken as a constructive
contribution; but I am convinced this outcome document, as it stands, will
be interpreted as putting off necessary discussions - in particular by
those who have different opinion as to the value and effectiveness of the
multi-stakeholder model.*

*To be clear, I am not arguing that all substantive issues should be
"solved" in Sao Paulo. This is neither the purpose of the meeting nor a
realistic achievement to plan for, and indeed we need to have a targeted
number of issues to address over the two days. However, NETmundial should
definitively mark a significant "change of pace" in the discussions and
deliberations that have taken place so far. My own experience in public
service suggests that a necessary condition to achieve such objective is to
start from a substantially more ambitious point of departure than is
currently the case.*

*There are a few other observations on the draft outcome document that I
would like to make at this point in time.*

*First of all, I found some of the language related to human rights
unnecessarily weak. I refer in particular to the passage "Internet
governance should be open, participatory, Multistakeholder,
technology-neutral, sensitive to human rights". We have an obligation to
respect and promote human rights, not merely be "sensitive" to them, and
this should be clearly reflected throughout the outcome document. This
includes, among a number of important issues, the protection of privacy and
personal data protection, which should have a prominent role in the outcome
document.*

*Secondly, self-regulation and self-organisation of different stakeholders
are certainly to be preserved and promoted. However, this cannot be to the
detriment of basic democratic principles. It is not sufficient that the
mechanisms through which "different stakeholder groups [...] self-manage
their processes [are] based on publicly known mechanisms", if this results
in the explicit or implicit exclusion of persons in a manner that would
contradict democratic processes.*

*Thirdly, I am glad that the draft outcome document recognises the
importance of distributed institutional models for Internet governance,
avoiding centralised solutions as a default. This is very much in line with
the position of the European Commission that stronger interactions between
stakeholders involved in Internet governance should be fostered via
cross-cutting, issue-based dialogues, instead of through new bodies. This
would allow relevant stakeholders to address specific challenges across
structural and organisational boundaries. Such arrangements should be
inspired by the distributed architecture of the Internet which should serve
as a model for better interactions between all parties.*

*In this light, let me underline that in order for such distributed models
to truly work, especially for people, organisations and countries with
fewer resources to devote to this policy area, it is absolutely essential
that the right ICT tools are globally available. The draft outcome document
does refer to this, in particular in regard to remote participation in
meetings and discussions. I believe we should be more ambitious and look
more carefully at the role that ICTs, including Big Data technologies, can
play in this context. The European Commission is addressing this challenge
via the Global Internet Policy Observatory (GIPO) initiative. I would be
glad to share further details and explore how we could join forces in this
endeavour, possibly as a concrete deliverable of NETmundial.*

*Fourthly, I cannot stress enough how important it is that we keep the
momentum towards a real and effective globalisation of core Internet
functions and decisions. This is perhaps one of the most essential
conditions to satisfy if we want the multi-stakeholder model for Internet
governance to be seen as truly legitimate across the world. I have already
had the occasion to congratulate the United States Government for its
announcement of 14 March 2014, concerning the globalisation of certain IANA
functions; I am therefore pleased that the draft outcome document
specifically mentions the globalisation of both IANA and ICANN. I want
nonetheless to underline that any such movement towards further
globalisation of Internet processes should firmly and explicitly keep the
public interest as a primary condition.*

*I appreciate that the EMC in its proposal has tried to take maximum
account of the contributions received. However, I think that the conference
should not overextend the areas it wants to cover meaningfully. *

*I am not convinced, for example, that the outcome document should or
indeed needs to touch upon issues such as "network neutrality" and the
liability of Internet intermediaries. Both are certainly very important
issues in the overall debate on an open Internet, but are the subject of
detailed discussions elsewhere. *

*On Net Neutrality for example, legislators of the European Union are at
this very moment engaged in a democratic debate on the "Connected
Continent" proposal by the European Commission. I understand a similar
debate is taking place in Brazil, on the "Marco Civil". We should not be
seen as prejudging the outcome of a democratic procedure on such sensitive
topics. *

*As regards the topic of the liability of intermediaries, I believe there
is no added value in referring, via potentially contentious language, to an
issue which has extensively been debated in many different settings and
democratic fora and has in some cases been enshrined in legislation, as is
the case of the European Union. *

*I trust the above observations will be taken with the same constructive
spirit with which I wrote them. I am looking forward to meeting all of you
in Sao Paulo.*



*Yours sincerely,*

*Neelie Kroes*

*Vice-President of the European Commission"*

Best regards,

--
Andrea Glorioso (Mr)
European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and Technology
Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy
Development
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From nb at bollow.ch  Fri Apr 11 12:16:21 2014
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:16:21 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <CACAaNxhp2WhzRjKtAGEXzFyMZXzUx72vX0TmKrcEs3jf3hqWVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>
	<24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>
	<53466006.80804@itforchange.net>
	<CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400
schrieb McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>:

> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of
> > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in
> > itself.
> 
> and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"?
> 
> Seriously?

Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why
would being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at
the "stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial???

Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society
body to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be
something that could be considered as part of the kind of track record
that I was talking about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case.

Greetings,
Norbert

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 12:41:45 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:41:45 -0700
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
In-Reply-To: <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill>
References: <CANf7=M0WOKKYSjmRWqEVAehYF4ay_+rDvyDtSjaYw02cwFPPfw@mail.gmail.com>	<5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net>	<24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba>	<53466006.80804@itforchange.net>	<CACAaNxhz1bK=KR21tm47gZwC8FLTR6caQxD7UUCuEzKObUCvHQ@mail.gmail.com>	<20140411143501.10ee7968@quill>	<CACAaNxhp2WhzRjKtAGEXzFyMZXzUx72vX0TmKrcEs3jf3hqWVg@mail.gmail.com> <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill>
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The issue of "personal" vs. "political" still stands.

The question is who put her on/nominated her for the MAG and for what
purpose... It clearly wasn't CS as she wasn't nominated by any of the
conventional CS processes and to the best of my knowledge no alternative CS
process has come forward to acknowledge them having nominated her...

M

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Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:16 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
society co-chair

Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400
schrieb McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>:

> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of 
> > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in 
> > itself.
> 
> and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"?
> 
> Seriously?

Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why would
being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at the
"stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial???

Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society body
to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be something that
could be considered as part of the kind of track record that I was talking
about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case.

Greetings,
Norbert



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From nb at bollow.ch  Fri Apr 11 13:42:55 2014
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:42:55 +0200
Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: My thoughts on
 NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance
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Message-ID: <20140411194255.5b2805d2@quill>

Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:

> you might be interested to read the recent blog post of Neelie Kroes,
> Vice-President of the European Commission and member of the High-Level
> Multistakeholder Committee of NETmundial, available at
> https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governanceand

actually it's

https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governance

Anyway I'm very positively impressed.

I particularly appreciate the emphasis on strengthening the Netmundial
outcome document in regard to the role that human rights need to play
and in regard to the need for Internet related governance decisions
to be made in ways that do not contradict democracy. The point about not
putting off certain important discussions is also good and very
well-stated, IMO.

Greetings,
Norbert

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From kichango at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 14:52:51 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:52:51 +0000
Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: My thoughts on
 NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance
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I'm also positively impressed with her concise and result- and
action-oriented take on NETmundial, with a clear vision and a decisive tone.
The good thing is that presumably many others will notice, too.

Now, Andrea, where are you guys at with the GIPO project? Will you have
aomething to show at NETmundial as she seems to imply?
Thanks,

Mawaki

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On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:
>
> > you might be interested to read the recent blog post of Neelie Kroes,
> > Vice-President of the European Commission and member of the High-Level
> > Multistakeholder Committee of NETmundial, available at
> >
> https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governanceand
>
> actually it's
>
>
> https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governance
>
> Anyway I'm very positively impressed.
>
> I particularly appreciate the emphasis on strengthening the Netmundial
> outcome document in regard to the role that human rights need to play
> and in regard to the need for Internet related governance decisions
> to be made in ways that do not contradict democracy. The point about not
> putting off certain important discussions is also good and very
> well-stated, IMO.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
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From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com  Fri Apr 11 16:58:03 2014
From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:58:03 +0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
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If Civil Society does not get a favourable outcome in the meeting,
will civil society conclude that "powerful lobbies" planted a mole to
steer their agenda as the co-chair and that is why they lost?

Can we say with confidence that Chaturvedi will(not) represent the
interests of the Civil Society?

On 11/04/2014, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> The issue of "personal" vs. "political" still stands.
>
> The question is who put her on/nominated her for the MAG and for what
> purpose... It clearly wasn't CS as she wasn't nominated by any of the
> conventional CS processes and to the best of my knowledge no alternative CS
> process has come forward to acknowledge them having nominated her...
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Norbert Bollow
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:16 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
> organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> society co-chair
>
> Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400
> schrieb McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> <snip>
>> >
>> > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of
>> > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in
>> > itself.
>>
>> and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"?
>>
>> Seriously?
>
> Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why would
> being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at the
> "stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial???
>
> Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society body
> to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be something
> that
> could be considered as part of the kind of track record that I was talking
> about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>
>
>


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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Fri Apr 11 17:15:15 2014
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:15:15 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
 society co-chair
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Very well put, Anriette.  Thank you.

And along with the processes going forward being "less ad-hoc", I would 
add, "open to new participants and perspectives", since that seems to be 
an important theme that's cropping up.

But I do wish those new participants to IG dialogues would bring with 
them expertise in their own fields, and that such expertise enriches 
their participation in IG discussions.  That having been said, I can 
find scanty evidence online of such expertise in the present case. 
Searches for her academic writings yield very little, for instance.  I 
do hope this lack of trust can be bridged soon, though.

Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> [2014-04-10 11:45:42 +0200]:
> Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier.
>
> Anriette
>
> -----------
>
> Dear Parminder and all
>
> I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil
> society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection
> process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have
> been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important
> for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples
> when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty
> roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case
> selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an
> example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder
> processes which so many of you have discussed.
>
> But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to
> move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the
> event, and on our influence on the outcomes.
>
> Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put
> these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process.
> Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have
> put into this event.  They are working very, very hard to make it
> inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the
> process gives everyone equal voice.
>
> I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made
> to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of
> certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I
> think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use
> this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be.
> Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising
> CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at
> whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs.
>
> I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil
> society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a
> personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have
> positive outcomes.
>
> At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the
> substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For
> example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than
> it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in
> the draft outcome doc.
>
> Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these
> processes become less adhoc in the future.
>
> Anriette
>
>
> On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below...
>>
>> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society
>> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations
>> from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of
>> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from
>> the global networks with regard to that representation, which is
>> indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society.
>>
>> Now, we have a newspaper report
>> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
>> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much
>> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as
>> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response.
>>
>> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net
>> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive
>> committee and high level committee.
>>
>> At least please respond to the issue.
>>
>>   If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what
>> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil
>> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society
>> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now
>> further exacerbated by the news report
>> <http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx>
>> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> parminder
>>
>> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair
>>> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society
>>> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached:
>>>
>>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>>> Virgilio Almeida,
>>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof.
>>> Virgilio Almeida;
>>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups.
>>>
>>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper
>>> giving some of the context behind this:
>>>   http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning
>>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rishab Bailey
>>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India)
>>
>

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From avri at acm.org  Fri Apr 11 17:20:45 2014
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:20:45 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
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On 11-Apr-14 16:58, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:
> Can we say with confidence that Chaturvedi will(not) represent the
> interests of the Civil Society?

Hard for one to know what someone else will do.

What we can know is that we decided to work with her to help her
represent the interests of civil society.

Or that we decided not to.

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Fri Apr 11 17:32:33 2014
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:32:33 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
 organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
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All I can add is that those of us who were elected were up all night (well, till only 3am in my case) drafting and discussing documents.  At this point, we do have to prioritize on getting the texts as good as we can.  
Folks on the ground in Brazil have been working round the clock for weeks, if anyone wants to contribute to flowers for them, I am collecting.  
Kind regards, 
Stephanie Perrin
On 2014-04-11, at 5:20 PM, Avri Doria wrote:

> 
> 
> On 11-Apr-14 16:58, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:
>> Can we say with confidence that Chaturvedi will(not) represent the
>> interests of the Civil Society?
> 
> Hard for one to know what someone else will do.
> 
> What we can know is that we decided to work with her to help her
> represent the interests of civil society.
> 
> Or that we decided not to.
> 
> avri
> 
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From isolatedn at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 17:58:31 2014
From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 03:28:31 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society
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The Indian Civil Society letter makes me uncomfortable because it makes
such a strong allegation against two individuals.

One individual targeted is Virat Bhatia, about whom I heard a good opinion
concerning his interest in getting our Government to pay better attention
to Internet Governance issues. This opinion came from someone who is quite
capable of judging people. Months later I met him during the India Internet
Conference, which was an initiative that he led and did very well (In that
Conference organized by him, I saw some of the the signatories of this
letter or representatives from their organization as invitees, seated
equally in panel discussions);

The other person targeted, Subi, struck me as a very resourceful organizer
who could have been a source of strength for that Conference, this was
visible, she brought in student participation, and the Conference, despite
some shortcomings, was a well organized event with a good quality of
participation.

During the India Internet Conference and in the Internet Governance Forum,
Subi Chaturvedi was quite noticeable by the strength of the quality of her
interventions. Many noticed her for the way she participated even as a new
comer to Internet Governance, and a few would have felt that a participant
like her should be encouraged. If Virat Bhatia had recommended her to
positions, and he happens to be working for a Telecom Company, I would
still look at it as a Grey situation:  a Telecom Company, an Executive with
the usual functions of promoting a company's interests in Business
situations, The same Indian Executive with a possibly individual interest
in Internet Governance, possibly wanting to improve India's participation
in Internet Governance,  a successful College Teacher who is noticed in a
new environment and encouraged, a not-so-exhaustive effort to find Civil
Society candidates for MAG or NETmundial, some possible flaws on the part
of one of the individuals, all conveniently brought together and
sensationally interpreted with a bias possibly out of misunderstanding and
an inclination to rush to a conclusion.

Positive judgements could be rushed, not much harm done if the positive
judgement goes wrong, but such a strong negative judgement should wait,
because of its potential to do irreparable damage to the person. If the
signatories wanted a change, with or without a compelling reason, they
could have handled it in so many other subtle ways.

Sivasubramanian M


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
> wrote:

> If Civil Society does not get a favourable outcome in the meeting,
> will civil society conclude that "powerful lobbies" planted a mole to
> steer their agenda as the co-chair and that is why they lost?
>
> Can we say with confidence that Chaturvedi will(not) represent the
> interests of the Civil Society?
>
> On 11/04/2014, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The issue of "personal" vs. "political" still stands.
> >
> > The question is who put her on/nominated her for the MAG and for what
> > purpose... It clearly wasn't CS as she wasn't nominated by any of the
> > conventional CS processes and to the best of my knowledge no alternative
> CS
> > process has come forward to acknowledge them having nominated her...
> >
> > M
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Norbert
> Bollow
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:16 AM
> > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil
> Society
> > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil
> > society co-chair
> >
> > Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400
> > schrieb McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> >> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of
> >> > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in
> >> > itself.
> >>
> >> and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"?
> >>
> >> Seriously?
> >
> > Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why
> would
> > being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at the
> > "stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial???
> >
> > Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society
> body
> > to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be something
> > that
> > could be considered as part of the kind of track record that I was
> talking
> > about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case.
> >
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> > Norbert
> >
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> >
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From mariliamaciel at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 12:15:04 2014
From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:15:04 -0300
Subject: [governance] Meeting EMC and next steps
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Dear all,

Yesterday we had a very long call of the Executive Multistakeholder
Committee and we managed to finish the review of Net Mundial initial
document (principles and roadmap) from our side. The Secretariat prepared a
summary of comments from HLMC members and co-hosts. We also received some
track-changed versions of the initial document.

Based on all those documents we received, EMC tried to introduce changes
that would increase the possibility of consensus. Now there is s version
2.0 of the document. We did manage to preserve points that were important
in most CS contributions to Net Mundial, such as Human Rights principles.
So I see yesterday's meeting as a good step, although there is much more to
come.

As explained to us, this document will now go to the board and they can
introduce changes. We raised our concerns about the legitimacy of the
board, particularly on the side of civil society. We hope that the board
will have the sensitivity to refrain from making much changes, given that
this document is fruit os large amount of discussions in the
multistakeholder committees. After the board's agreement, the doc will be
available online for public consultation.

Best,
Marília

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 01:44:13 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 22:44:13 -0700
Subject: [governance] Google, once disdainful of lobbying, now a master of
 Washington influence
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Google, once disdainful of lobbying, now a master of Washington influence

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-google-is-transforming-power-and-
politicsgoogle-once-disdainful-of-lobbying-now-a-master-of-washington-influe
nce/2014/04/12/51648b92-b4d3-11e3-8cb6-284052554d74_story.html?hpid=z1

http://tinyurl.com/plr76oe

In May 2012, the law school at George Mason University hosted a forum billed
as a "vibrant discussion" about Internet search competition. Many of the
major players in the field were there - regulators from the Federal Trade
Commission, federal and state prosecutors, top congressional staffers.

What the guests had not been told was that the day-long academic conference
was in large part the work of Google, which maneuvered behind the scenes
with GMU's Law & Economics Center to put on the event. At the time, the
company was under FTC investigation over concerns about the dominance of its
famed search engine, a case that threatened Google's core business.

.......

The behind-the-scenes machinations demonstrate how Google - once a lobbying
weakling - has come to master a new method of operating in modern-day
Washington, where spending on traditional lobbying is rivaled by other, less
visible forms of influence.

That system includes financing sympathetic research at universities and
think tanks, investing in nonprofit advocacy groups across the political
spectrum and funding pro-business coalitions cast as public-interest
projects.


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From jefsey at jefsey.com  Mon Apr 14 03:44:07 2014
From: jefsey at jefsey.com (Jefsey)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 09:44:07 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [IANAtransition] Redlined Scoping Document
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At 01:45 14/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:
>Michel stop baiting. I did not say exclusively. I said these 
>technical ideas are in scope and therefore could be considered.

Michel,

Vint does not want to plainly respond to your good questions: however 
he eventually said "could" where you tested for "should". Mike 
Roberts has had the guts to answer: "So far, the responses on this 
list and elsewhere are not encouraging". Their and my common reason 
is simple: the NTIA question is biased and leads to an aporetic 
dilemma: "do you want the Internet to be American along our plan B or 
your plan C?"

The reality is also very simple: the international catenet, under 
IETF logic or not, is our's. The question is to which kind of 
sovereignty does that "our's" resolve? Michael Gurstein is correct: 
the question of the NTIA is not only about the internet, but about 
the "internet world", i.e. our world, the world's governance, i.e. 
the world sovereignty.

Let disambiguate the root of the question (keeping in mind that it is 
iterative, since it concerns a systemic evolution).

1. what is the internet? Why is it so much associated with the DNS? 
What is the internet we want? as long as we do not agree on these 
points discussions are futile.
2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need 
sovereignty?
3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, 
societal, geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, 
economical, etc.
4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, 
aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, 
status holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly 
accepted meaning of each of these terms?
5. what is the best common interest in a closed global system of 
interests as now is the internet, where only win/win or lose/lose 
situations are possible.

Then and only then,
- one can discuss the questions posed by the NTIA: is the world 
sovereignty to be localized (i.e. to some specific State [USA], to 
Nation-States [as UN or ITU outside of US control, or GAC embedded in 
an US registered ICANN?]).
- one can know how to follow the ICANN position which is (current 
Internet Coordination Policy # 3) which does not mention NTIA and 
calls for experimentation:

"ICANN's mandate to preserve stability of the DNS [...] means that 
ICANN continues to adhere to community-based processes in its 
decisions regarding the content of the authoritative root. Within its 
current policy framework, ICANN can give no preference to those who 
choose to work outside of these processes and outside of the policies 
engendered by this public trust.  None of this precludes 
experimentation done in a manner that does not threaten the stability 
of name resolution in the authoritative DNS. Responsible 
experimentation is essential to the vitality of the Internet. Nor 
does it preclude the ultimate introduction of new architectures that 
may ultimately obviate the need for a unique, authoritative root. But 
the translation of experiments into production and the introduction 
of new architectures require community-based approaches, and are not 
compatible with individual efforts to gain proprietary advantage."

At this stage, the NTIA aporetic proposition is an "individual effort 
to gain proprietary advantage" to say the least.

jfc


>On Apr 13, 2014 7:00 PM, "Michel Gauthier" 
><<mailto:mg at telepresse.com>mg at telepresse.com> wrote:
>At 23:48 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:
>>part of the process initiated by ICANN has the scope to look at 
>>additional technical safeg uards to limit the actions of IANA and 
>>the TLD operators to those actions both agree to.
>Dear Vint,
>I just want to be sure I do not misunderstand you, because this is 
>very important to everyone.
>You mean that you consider that the ICANN scope is the ***only*** 
>set of actions that is to be undertaken, with no additional 
>experimentation if not within the limits aproved by ICANN. Noother 
>backup option to be experimented. The internet users are to 100% 
>rely upon and to 100% trust ICANN. In other words that your entire 
>internet project is now to ***limit*** itself to the ICANN scope and 
>its internal safeguards?
>This in spite of the ICANN/ICP-3 own recommendations?
>What if NTIA disapproves ICANN?
>M G
>
>
>
>
>>v
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Michel Gauthier 
>><<mailto:mg at telepresse.com>mg at telepresse.com> wrote:
>>Dear Vint,
>>Thank you to reminding us that no one has ***ever*** changed a 
>>national or international communication system without being 
>>"sponsored" by a soverign authority (USG [FCC or NTIA] or 
>>monopolies): Mokapetris and Postel have not introduced any change 
>>in the file they received..
>>So, now you state: "it is possible to fashion sufficient 
>>accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional 
>>interlocks on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an 
>>institutional replacement for NTIA's oversight". Don't you think it 
>>is  a big responsibility? Without any experimentation for the 
>>mechanism you only guarantee the possibility.
>>What do you think of those who want at least to experiment a back-up?
>>M G
>>At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:
>>>Seun,
>>>there are two separations in the present situation: NTIA as 
>>>contract holder and ICANN as contractor and the further 
>>>segregation of IANA as a distinct entity within the ICANN 
>>>framework. IANA is isolated from the production of policy although 
>>>i has to follow and execute policies developed in the ICANN 
>>>process and that are relevant to the IANA responsibilities. One 
>>>question on the table is whether the IANA functions require the 
>>>kind of NTIA oversight that has been in place since 1998. I would 
>>>recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources 
>>>during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested 
>>>the change from one master root zone server to another that 
>>>triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player within 
>>>the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by 
>>>his contemporaries. As many on these lists know, I believe it is 
>>>possible to fashion sufficient accountability and transparency 
>>>mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone changes 
>>>to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's 
>>>oversight.Ā
>>>I appreciate your efforts to try to keep the discussion moving in 
>>>constructive directions.
>>>vint
>>>On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Seun Ojedeji 
>>><<mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>seun.ojedeji at gmail.com > wrote:
>>>Hello Milton,
>>>On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Milton L Mueller 
>>><<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> > As Chip Sharp points out, there is a contractual requirement 
>>> for IANA staff to not
>>> > be involved in policy development (other than to respond to 
>>> questions), but that
>>> > is different than requiring the IANA Functions operator to be 
>>> separated from ICANN.
>>>OK, so you want to play semantic games. Look, everyone involved in 
>>>this discussion has noted multiple times that ICANN currently has 
>>>_functional_ separation, via C.2.5 and other requirements. Once 
>>>that contractual requirement is gone, the issue is how is that 
>>>separation maintained. Many Ā believe structural separation will 
>>>be requuired. This was a point made in our original paper back on 
>>>March 3. Thanks for advancing the debate.
>>>
>>>What is functional and structural separation within the context of 
>>>this discussion?. I understand that by contract the IANA function 
>>>itself requires a separation on its own. The fact that it has a 
>>>separate department dedicated to it, make it a structural 
>>>separation within ICANN. I don't think structuring should always 
>>>have to do with setting up something outside of existing 
>>>organisation. (as i have always pointed out since the IGP proposal 
>>>was released)
>>>So you have pointed out the right issue; which is to discuss "how 
>>>to maintain the current separation" (that is already structural 
>>>and functional)
>>>Nevertheless as usual, i am open to be convinced on what aspect i 
>>>may have missed. ;)
>>>Thanks
>>>Regards
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 10:13:52 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 10:13:52 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [IANAtransition] Redlined Scoping Document
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 There seems to be an elephant in the room again, which everyone is
avoiding. Perhaps the elephant is better imagined as a black hole, in the
sense that it marks an absence rather than a presence. There is no more
trust. We have no trust for one another, let alone trust for “them”. Please
refer to the comment from Vint Cerf, from this string, quoted below. At
21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:  I would recall that Jon Postel was
largely left to his own resources during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not
intervene until he tested the change from one master root zone server to
another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player
within the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by his
contemporaries. The other thing that is missing is truth, in the sense of
truth as reliable information. Please refer to the final question under 4
below. On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:  2. from
history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need sovereignty?
3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal,
geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc.
4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial,
aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status
holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted
meaning of each of these terms?  A satisfactory answer to this question
might move us towards a re-creation of trust. However we need to remember
that in a commercial system predicated on money, the ethos, the basic
values, are different. Perhaps we are expecting as automatic the appearance
of values that we may espouse – trust, truth, human rights – when the
system we were accustomed to has changed underneath us and those values are
no longer relevant? If trust cannot be re-established, then there seems to
be little chance for rapprochement among the (undefined) stakeholders,
however many they may be.
Deirdre


On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:

>  At 01:45 14/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:
>
> Michel stop baiting. I did not say exclusively. I said these technical
> ideas are in scope and therefore could be considered.
>
>
> Michel,
>
> Vint does not want to plainly respond to your good questions: however he
> eventually said "could" where you tested for "should". Mike Roberts has had
> the guts to answer: "So far, the responses on this list and elsewhere are
> not encouraging". Their and my common reason is simple: the NTIA question
> is biased and leads to an aporetic dilemma: "do you want the Internet to be
> American along our plan B or your plan C?"
>
> The reality is also very simple: the international catenet, under IETF
> logic or not, is our's. The question is to which kind of sovereignty does
> that "our's" resolve? Michael Gurstein is correct: the question of the NTIA
> is not only about the internet, but about the "internet world", i.e. our
> world, the world's governance, i.e. the world sovereignty.
>
> Let disambiguate the root of the question (keeping in mind that it is
> iterative, since it concerns a systemic evolution).
>
> 1. what is the internet? Why is it so much associated with the DNS? What
> is the internet we want? as long as we do not agree on these points
> discussions are futile.
> 2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need
> sovereignty?
> 3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal,
> geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc.
> 4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial,
> aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status
> holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted
> meaning of each of these terms?
> 5. what is the best common interest in a closed global system of interests
> as now is the internet, where only win/win or lose/lose situations are
> possible.
>
> Then and only then,
> - one can discuss the questions posed by the NTIA: is the world
> sovereignty to be localized (i.e. to some specific State [USA], to
> Nation-States [as UN or ITU outside of US control, or GAC embedded in an US
> registered ICANN?]).
> - one can know how to follow the ICANN position which is (current Internet
> Coordination Policy # 3) which does not mention NTIA and calls for
> experimentation:
>
> "ICANN's mandate to preserve stability of the DNS [...] means that ICANN
> continues to adhere to community-based processes in its decisions regarding
> the content of the authoritative root. Within its current policy framework,
> ICANN can give no preference to those who choose to work outside of these
> processes and outside of the policies engendered by this public trust.
> None of this precludes experimentation done in a manner that does not
> threaten the stability of name resolution in the authoritative DNS.
> Responsible experimentation is essential to the vitality of the Internet.
> Nor does it preclude the ultimate introduction of new architectures that
> may ultimately obviate the need for a unique, authoritative root. But the
> translation of experiments into production and the introduction of new
> architectures require community-based approaches, and are not compatible
> with individual efforts to gain proprietary advantage."
>
> At this stage, the NTIA aporetic proposition is an "individual effort to
> gain proprietary advantage" to say the least.
>
> jfc
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2014 7:00 PM, "Michel Gauthier" <mg at telepresse.com> wrote: At
> 23:48 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:
>
> part of the process initiated by ICANN has the scope to look at additional
> technical safeg uards to limit the actions of IANA and the TLD operators to
> those actions both agree to.
>
> Dear Vint,
> I just want to be sure I do not misunderstand you, because this is very
> important to everyone.
> You mean that you consider that the ICANN scope is the ***only*** set of
> actions that is to be undertaken, with no additional experimentation if not
> within the limits aproved by ICANN. Noother backup option to be
> experimented. The internet users are to 100% rely upon and to 100% trust
> ICANN. In other words that your entire internet project is now to
> ***limit*** itself to the ICANN scope and its internal safeguards?
> This in spite of the ICANN/ICP-3 own recommendations?
> What if NTIA disapproves ICANN?
> M G
>
>
>
>
>  v
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Michel Gauthier <mg at telepresse.com>
> wrote: Dear Vint, Thank you to reminding us that no one has ***ever***
> changed a national or international communication system without being
> "sponsored" by a soverign authority (USG [FCC or NTIA] or monopolies):
> Mokapetris and Postel have not introduced any change in the file they
> received.. So, now you state: "it is possible to fashion sufficient
> accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks
> on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement
> for NTIA's oversight". Don't you think it is  a big responsibility?
> Without any experimentation for the mechanism you only guarantee the
> possibility. What do you think of those who want at least to experiment a
> back-up? M G At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:
>
> Seun, there are two separations in the present situation: NTIA as
> contract holder and ICANN as contractor and the further segregation of IANA
> as a distinct entity within the ICANN framework. IANA is isolated from the
> production of policy although i has to follow and execute policies
> developed in the ICANN process and that are relevant to the IANA
> responsibilities. One question on the table is whether the IANA functions
> require the kind of NTIA oversight that has been in place since 1998. I
> would recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources during
> his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested the change from
> one master root zone server to another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon
> was, of course, a key player within the Internet development community and
> guided by and trusted by his contemporaries. As many on these lists know, I
> believe it is possible to fashion sufficient accountability and
> transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone
> changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's
> oversight.Ä€ I appreciate your efforts to try to keep the discussion
> moving in constructive directions. vint On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM,
> Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com > wrote: Hello Milton, On Sun, Apr
> 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>  > As Chip Sharp points out, there is a contractual requirement for IANA
> staff to not > be involved in policy development (other than to respond
> to questions), but that > is different than requiring the IANA Functions
> operator to be separated from ICANN. OK, so you want to play semantic
> games. Look, everyone involved in this discussion has noted multiple times
> that ICANN currently has _functional_ separation, via C.2.5 and other
> requirements. Once that contractual requirement is gone, the issue is how
> is that separation maintained. Many Ā believe structural separation will
> be requuired. This was a point made in our original paper back on March 3.
> Thanks for advancing the debate.
>
>  What is functional and structural separation within the context of this
> discussion?. I understand that by contract the IANA function itself
> requires a separation on its own. The fact that it has a separate
> department dedicated to it, make it a structural separation within ICANN. I
> don't think structuring should always have to do with setting up something
> outside of existing organisation. (as i have always pointed out since the
> IGP proposal was released) So you have pointed out the right issue; which
> is to discuss "how to maintain the current separation" (that is already
> structural and functional) Nevertheless as usual, i am open to be
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 13:25:02 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:25:02 -0400
Subject: [governance] Petition: Affirm a commitment to the "Internet as a
 Common Good of Mankind to be Governed in the Global Public Interest".
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN7yfq-HS+ERRsjQmT2NZbxTHND2QFVomCqLDMQ5UCkzRg@mail.gmail.com>

This petition has just been published on another list. The members of the
IGC should have the opportunity to be aware of it.
Deirdre

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From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
Date: 14 April 2014 12:18

After some discussion with colleagues of the JNC and elsewhere I've
launched an initiative/petition intended to impact on the outcome of the
NetMundial meeting.  I think the best possible achievable outcome of the
NetMundial meeting would be an affirmation/reaffirmation of the "Internet
as a Global Commons Operating in the Global Public Interest" and the
petition is intended to provide an opportunity for voices globally to
insist that that at least be placed on the table in Sao Paolo.

The petition is available for signing at http://tinyurl.com/nawk9ak

The blogpost introducing and giving the longer rationale for the petition
can be found at http://tinyurl.com/opqwhs4

It would be really great if you could spread this information through your
networks and invite your networks to sign on to the petition or to send
notes directly to the NetMundial secretariat secretariat at netmundial.br with
a copy to me at gurstein at gmail.com

M

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 16:06:38 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:06:38 -0700
Subject: [governance] FT: The power of the US cable (Internet) barons must
 be challenged
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>From the Financial Times (UK)


The power of the US cable barons must be challenged


Edward
LuceBy Edward LuceAuthor alerts <javascript:void(0)> 

No one in Washington seems to have the will to stop industry moguls from
tightening their grip on the internet 

Matt
Kenyon illustrationCMatt Kenyon

Imagine if one company controlled 40 per cent of America's roads and raised
tolls far in excess of inflation. Suppose the roads were potholed. Imagine
too that its former chief lobbyist headed the highway sector's federal
regulator. American drivers would not be happy. US internet users ought to
be feeling equally worried.

Some time in the next year, Comcast
<http://markets.ft.com/tearsheets/performance.asp?s=us:CMCSA> 's proposed
$45.2bn takeover
<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c0a0f348-bf27-11e3-8683-00144feabdc0.html?siteedi
tion=uk>  of Time Warner Cable
<http://markets.ft.com/tearsheets/performance.asp?s=us:TWC>  is likely to be
waved through by antitrust regulators. The chances are it will also get a
green light from the Federal Communications Commission (headed by Tom
Wheeler, Comcast's former chief lobbyist).

The deal will give Comcast TWC control of 40 per cent of US broadband and
almost a third of its cable television market. 

Such concentration ought to trigger concern among the vast majority of
Americans who use the internet at home and in their work lives. Yet the
backlash
<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5645e304-97f5-11e3-8c0e-00144feab7de.html>  is
largely confined to a few maverick senators and policy wonks in Washington.
When the national highway system was built in the 1950s, it provided the
arteries of the US economy. The internet is America's neural system - as
well as its eyes and ears. Yet it is monopolised by an ever-shrinking
handful of private interests.

Where does it go from here? The probability is that Comcast and the rest of
the industry will further consolidate its grip on the US internet because
there is no one in Washington with the will to stop it. The FCC is dominated
by senior former cable industry officials. And there is barely a US elected
official - from President Barack Obama down - who has not benefited from
Comcast's extensive campaign financing. As with the railway barons of the
late 19th century, he who pays the piper picks the tune.

The company is brilliantly effective. Last week, David Cohen, Comcast's
genial but razor-sharp executive vice-president, batted off a US Senate
hearing
<http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1931611e-c004-11e3-bfbc-00144feabdc0.html>  with
the ease of a longstanding Washington insider. A half smile played over his
face throughout the three-hour session. One or two senators, notably Al
Franken, the Democrat from Minnesota, offered sceptical cross-examination
about the proposed merger. But, for the most part, Mr Cohen received
softballs. Lindsey Graham, the Republican from South Carolina, complained
that his satellite TV service was unreliable when the weather was bad. Like
many of his colleagues, Mr Graham either had little idea of what was at
stake, or did not care. With interrogations like this, who needs pillow
talk?

Comcast is aided by the complexity of the US cable industry. Confusion is
its ally. The real game is to control the internet. But a lot of the focus
has been on the merger's impact on cable TV competition, which is largely a
red herring. The TV market is in long-term decline - online video streaming
is the viewing of the future.

Yet Comcast has won plaudits for saying it would divest 3m television
subscribers to head off antitrust concerns. Whether that will be enough to
stop it from charging monopoly prices for its TV programmes is of secondary
importance. The internet is the prize.

The public's indifference to the rise of the internet barons is also
assisted by lack of knowledge. Americans are rightly proud of the fact that
the US invented the internet. Few know that it was developed largely with
public money by the Pentagon - or that Google
<http://markets.ft.com/tearsheets/performance.asp?s=us:GOOG> 's algorithmic
search engine began with a grant from the National Science Foundation. It is
a classic case of the public sector taking the risk while private operators
reap the gains. Few Americans have experienced the fast internet services in
places such as Stockholm and Seoul, where prices are a fraction of those in
the US. When South Koreans visit the US, they joke about taking an "internet
holiday".

US average speeds are as little as a tenth as fast as those in Tokyo and
Singapore. Among developed economies, only Mexico and Chile are slower. Even
Greeks get faster downloads.

So can anything stop the cable guy? Possibly. US history is full of
optimistic examples. Among the dominant platforms of their time, only
railways compare to today's internet. The Vanderbilts and the Stanfords had
the regulators in their pockets. Yet their outsize influence generated a
backlash that eventually loosened their grip.

For the most part, electricity, roads and the telephone were treated as
utilities and either publicly owned, or regulated in the public interest.
The internet should be no exception. Much like the progressive movement that
tamed the railroad barons, opposition to the US internet monopolists is
starting to percolate up from the states and the cities. It is mayors, not
presidents, who react to potholed roads.

Last week, Ed Murray, the mayor of Seattle, declared war on Comcast even
though it donated to his election campaign last year. Drawing on the outrage
among Seattle's consumers, Mr Murray seems happy to bite the hand that fed
him. "If we find that building our own municipal broadband is the best way
forward for our citizens then I will lead the way," he said.

Others, such as the town of Chattanooga, Tennessee, which is distributing
high-speed internet via electricity lines, are also doing it for themselves.
Forget Washington. This is where change comes from. "We need to find a path
forward as quickly as possible before we [the US] fall even further behind -
our economy depends on it," said Mr Murray. As indeed does America's
democracy.

edward.luce at ft.com 

 

 

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 16:06:54 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:06:54 -0700
Subject: [governance] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
 Scientific Study
References: <CACKppcwj7=SCt5UaW6g83dfNNbpAVMkv_jCxbOfXsOskb_HL3A@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <044c01cf581d$151d4790$3f57d6b0$@gmail.com>

I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision making processes.

 

Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies.

 

M 

 

From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study

 

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14

Common Dreams     April 14, 2014 


US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study


“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” 

by Eric Zuesse 

In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A  <http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf> study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: 

"Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."

To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy.

The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled  <http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf> "Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich:

Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater.

Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an enormous number of policy-issues studied.

What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell.

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  <http://www.amazon.com/Theyre-Not-Even-Close-Democratic/dp/1880026090/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1339027537&sr=8-9> They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of  <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q1H4EG> CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity. 

 

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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Mon Apr 14 16:20:21 2014
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:20:21 +1000
Subject: TRUST - was Re: [governance] Re: [IANAtransition] Redlined Scoping
 Document
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References: <CANwsP3AKkKnbu-ssdAr6KmM9ysateMuJLaUJPf6-B-NrRnzw1A@mail.gmail.com> <CAD_dc6jKccm8WHneUdadbYXw=vNKT9ziY0Zi_b7AizbpP25QZg@mail.gmail.com> <42c6e618a2d2489cb16c1b38cf1a961e@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <1C71E44A-059C-4E44-B202-E1C06DC63D1A@virtualized.org> <fdcc607719744c6bbaf581b06eb318d9@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <CAD_dc6ichT0_gkBnRmYQmO2sS+La+MMXYYziN_U0J0kFhbBUpA@mail.gmail.com> <CAHxHggeJVDUKzFe7HoWydJF_64F2oAa_k31N5MsPx6bk46hBPw@mail.gmail.com> <534af954.49620e0a.7752.5bd0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <CAHxHggdprn8CxDroa6zKW0OeUvzxE7F+MZGhhDQur_0y+95nyQ@mail.gmail.com> <534b16fa.c3080e0a.3a68.0b27SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <CAHxHggcLyNb75Ge7=5iBSTE2h-r3uU4VnEm4hUtXsQdTW6bPQg@mail.gmail.com> <E1WZbzx-0004d2-FW@igcaucus.org> <CAMz5XN77EOTZw1wxnkiTt1dYhvLCnL7tj2kDq4KT9V0_Uf_+BA@mail.gmail.com>
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Well said Deirdre

From: Deirdre Williams 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:13 AM
To: Internet Governance ; Jefsey 
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [IANAtransition] Redlined Scoping Document

  There seems to be an elephant in the room again, which everyone is avoiding. Perhaps the elephant is better imagined as a black hole, in the sense that it marks an absence rather than a presence. There is no more trust. We have no trust for one another, let alone trust for “them”. Please refer to the comment from Vint Cerf, from this string, quoted below. 
  At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: 
   I would recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested the change from one master root zone server to another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player within the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by his contemporaries. 
  The other thing that is missing is truth, in the sense of truth as reliable information. Please refer to the final question under 4 below. 
  On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote: 
  2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need sovereignty?
  3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal, geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc.
  4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted meaning of each of these terms? 
  A satisfactory answer to this question might move us towards a re-creation of trust. 
  However we need to remember that in a commercial system predicated on money, the ethos, the basic values, are different. Perhaps we are expecting as automatic the appearance of values that we may espouse – trust, truth, human rights – when the system we were accustomed to has changed underneath us and those values are no longer relevant? 
  If trust cannot be re-established, then there seems to be little chance for rapprochement among the (undefined) stakeholders, however many they may be. 


  Deirdre 



On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:

  At 01:45 14/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote:

    Michel stop baiting. I did not say exclusively. I said these technical ideas are in scope and therefore could be considered. 

  Michel,

  Vint does not want to plainly respond to your good questions: however he eventually said "could" where you tested for "should". Mike Roberts has had the guts to answer: "So far, the responses on this list and elsewhere are not encouraging". Their and my common reason is simple: the NTIA question is biased and leads to an aporetic dilemma: "do you want the Internet to be American along our plan B or your plan C?" 

  The reality is also very simple: the international catenet, under IETF logic or not, is our's. The question is to which kind of sovereignty does that "our's" resolve? Michael Gurstein is correct: the question of the NTIA is not only about the internet, but about the "internet world", i.e. our world, the world's governance, i.e. the world sovereignty. 

  Let disambiguate the root of the question (keeping in mind that it is iterative, since it concerns a systemic evolution).

  1. what is the internet? Why is it so much associated with the DNS? What is the internet we want? as long as we do not agree on these points discussions are futile.
  2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need sovereignty?
  3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal, geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc.
  4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted meaning of each of these terms?
  5. what is the best common interest in a closed global system of interests as now is the internet, where only win/win or lose/lose situations are possible.

  Then and only then,
  - one can discuss the questions posed by the NTIA: is the world sovereignty to be localized (i.e. to some specific State [USA], to Nation-States [as UN or ITU outside of US control, or GAC embedded in an US registered ICANN?]).
  - one can know how to follow the ICANN position which is (current Internet Coordination Policy # 3) which does not mention NTIA and calls for experimentation:

  "ICANN's mandate to preserve stability of the DNS [...] means that ICANN continues to adhere to community-based processes in its decisions regarding the content of the authoritative root. Within its current policy framework, ICANN can give no preference to those who choose to work outside of these processes and outside of the policies engendered by this public trust.  None of this precludes experimentation done in a manner that does not threaten the stability of name resolution in the authoritative DNS. Responsible experimentation is essential to the vitality of the Internet. Nor does it preclude the ultimate introduction of new architectures that may ultimately obviate the need for a unique, authoritative root. But the translation of experiments into production and the introduction of new architectures require community-based approaches, and are not compatible with individual efforts to gain proprietary advantage."

  At this stage, the NTIA aporetic proposition is an "individual effort to gain proprietary advantage" to say the least.

  jfc



    On Apr 13, 2014 7:00 PM, "Michel Gauthier" <mg at telepresse.com> wrote: 
      At 23:48 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: 
        part of the process initiated by ICANN has the scope to look at additional technical safeg uards to limit the actions of IANA and the TLD operators to those actions both agree to.
      Dear Vint,

      I just want to be sure I do not misunderstand you, because this is very important to everyone.

      You mean that you consider that the ICANN scope is the ***only*** set of actions that is to be undertaken, with no additional experimentation if not within the limits aproved by ICANN. Noother backup option to be experimented. The internet users are to 100% rely upon and to 100% trust ICANN. In other words that your entire internet project is now to ***limit*** itself to the ICANN scope and its internal safeguards?

      This in spite of the ICANN/ICP-3 own recommendations?

      What if NTIA disapproves ICANN?

      M G





        v



        On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Michel Gauthier <mg at telepresse.com> wrote: 
          Dear Vint, 
          Thank you to reminding us that no one has ***ever*** changed a national or international communication system without being "sponsored" by a soverign authority (USG [FCC or NTIA] or monopolies): Mokapetris and Postel have not introduced any change in the file they received.. 
          So, now you state: "it is possible to fashion sufficient accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's oversight". Don't you think it is  a big responsibility? Without any experimentation for the mechanism you only guarantee the possibility. 
          What do you think of those who want at least to experiment a back-up? 
          M G 
          At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: 
            Seun, 
            there are two separations in the present situation: NTIA as contract holder and ICANN as contractor and the further segregation of IANA as a distinct entity within the ICANN framework. IANA is isolated from the production of policy although i has to follow and execute policies developed in the ICANN process and that are relevant to the IANA responsibilities. One question on the table is whether the IANA functions require the kind of NTIA oversight that has been in place since 1998. I would recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested the change from one master root zone server to another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player within the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by his contemporaries. As many on these lists know, I believe it is possible to fashion sufficient accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's oversight.Ä€ 
            I appreciate your efforts to try to keep the discussion moving in constructive directions. 
            vint 
            On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com > wrote: 
              Hello Milton, 
              On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:


                > As Chip Sharp points out, there is a contractual requirement for IANA staff to not 
                > be involved in policy development (other than to respond to questions), but that 
                > is different than requiring the IANA Functions operator to be separated from ICANN. 
                OK, so you want to play semantic games. Look, everyone involved in this discussion has noted multiple times that ICANN currently has _functional_ separation, via C.2.5 and other requirements. Once that contractual requirement is gone, the issue is how is that separation maintained. Many Ā believe structural separation will be requuired. This was a point made in our original paper back on March 3. Thanks for advancing the debate.


    What is functional and structural separation within the context of this discussion?. I understand that by contract the IANA function itself requires a separation on its own. The fact that it has a separate department dedicated to it, make it a structural separation within ICANN. I don't think structuring should always have to do with setting up something outside of existing organisation. (as i have always pointed out since the IGP proposal was released) 
    So you have pointed out the right issue; which is to discuss "how to maintain the current separation" (that is already structural and functional) 
    Nevertheless as usual, i am open to be convinced on what aspect i may have missed. ;) 
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From george.sadowsky at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 18:57:58 2014
From: george.sadowsky at gmail.com (George Sadowsky)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:57:58 -0400
Subject: [governance] Re: [discuss] FT: The power of the US cable (Internet)
 barons must be challenged
In-Reply-To: <043d01cf581d$0c027fe0$24077fa0$@gmail.com>
References: <043d01cf581d$0c027fe0$24077fa0$@gmail.com>
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Mike,

Is your point that Internet governance concerns should be expanded to include layer 1 connectivity providers, and all that the subject implies?

If so, perhaps you could say more rather than just copying an article from the press.  If not, then this is off topic.

George


On Apr 14, 2014, at 4:06 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> From the Financial Times (UK)
> The power of the US cable barons must be challenged
> 
> <Untitled attachment 01028.gif>By Edward LuceAuthor alerts
> 
> No one in Washington seems to have the will to stop industry moguls from tightening their grip on the internet
> <Untitled attachment 01031.jpg>©Matt Kenyon
> Imagine if one company controlled 40 per cent of America’s roads and raised tolls far in excess of inflation. Suppose the roads were potholed. Imagine too that its former chief lobbyist headed the highway sector’s federal regulator. American drivers would not be happy. US internet users ought to be feeling equally worried.
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From joana at varonferraz.com  Mon Apr 14 19:58:59 2014
From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:58:59 -0300
Subject: [governance] NetMundial Draft Outcome document Online for comments
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From suresh at hserus.net  Mon Apr 14 21:01:36 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:31:36 +0530
Subject: [governance] Petition: Affirm a commitment to the "Internet as
 a Common Good of Mankind to be Governed in the Global Public Interest".
In-Reply-To: <CAMz5XN7yfq-HS+ERRsjQmT2NZbxTHND2QFVomCqLDMQ5UCkzRg@mail.gmail.com>
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The language has to be specific especially if using terms repurposed from economics. Global commons isn't always common good, just for instance.

--srs (iPad)

> On 14-Apr-2014, at 22:55, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This petition has just been published on another list. The members of the IGC should have the opportunity to be aware of it.
> Deirdre
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> Date: 14 April 2014 12:18
> 
> After some discussion with colleagues of the JNC and elsewhere I've launched an initiative/petition intended to impact on the outcome of the NetMundial meeting.  I think the best possible achievable outcome of the NetMundial meeting would be an affirmation/reaffirmation of the "Internet as a Global Commons Operating in the Global Public Interest" and the petition is intended to provide an opportunity for voices globally to insist that that at least be placed on the table in Sao Paolo.
> 
> The petition is available for signing at http://tinyurl.com/nawk9ak
> 
> The blogpost introducing and giving the longer rationale for the petition can be found at http://tinyurl.com/opqwhs4
> 
> It would be really great if you could spread this information through your networks and invite your networks to sign on to the petition or to send notes directly to the NetMundial secretariat secretariat at netmundial.br with a copy to me at gurstein at gmail.com
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From suresh at hserus.net  Mon Apr 14 21:03:51 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:33:51 +0530
Subject: [governance] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
 Scientific Study
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References: <CACKppcwj7=SCt5UaW6g83dfNNbpAVMkv_jCxbOfXsOskb_HL3A@mail.gmail.com> <044c01cf581d$151d4790$3f57d6b0$@gmail.com>
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Funny, I support MSism and I have yet to see a penny of this "direct benefit from oligarchies"

Can we please dispense with the conspiracy theories at least, even if you don't like multistakeholderism in the form that it is commonly practiced?

--srs (iPad)

> On 15-Apr-2014, at 1:36, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision making processes.
>  
> Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies.
>  
> M
>  
> From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM
> To: undisclosed-recipients:
> Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
>  
> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14
> 
> Common Dreams     April 14, 2014
> US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
> 
> “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” 
> 
> by Eric Zuesse
> In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: 
> 
> "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."
> 
> To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy.
> 
> The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich:
> 
> Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater.
> 
> Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an enormous number of policy-issues studied.
> 
> What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell.
> 
> Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Mon Apr 14 21:08:13 2014
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:08:13 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [Marcocivil] RES: NetMundial Draft Outcome
 document Online for comments	at the platform
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Laura, I think you did not read the docs in detail:

"Internet should continue to be a globally coherent, interconnected,
stable, unfragmented, scalable and accessible network-of-networks, based
on a common set of unique identifiers and that allows the free flow of
data packets/information."

and:

"The Internet should be preserved as a fertile and innovative
environment based on an open system architecture, with voluntary
collaboration, collective stewardship and participation, recognizing
technical management principles for efficient and improved network
operation and preserving the end-to-end nature of the network,  equal
technical treatment of all protocols and data, delivered by the
underlying communications and seeking to resolve technical issues at a
level closest to their origin."

--c.a.

On 04/14/2014 09:59 PM, Laura Tresca wrote:
> Wow, net neutrality is NOT pointed out as a principle!
> 
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From suresh at hserus.net  Mon Apr 14 21:08:57 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:38:57 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [discuss] FT: The power of the US cable
 (Internet) barons must be challenged
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(Applause)

This hobby horse has been ridden long enough, can we please bring the discussion back to internet governance? Please?

--srs (iPad)

> On 15-Apr-2014, at 4:27, George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Is your point that Internet governance concerns should be expanded to include layer 1 connectivity providers, and all that the subject implies?
> 
> If so, perhaps you could say more rather than just copying an article from the press.  If not, then this is off topic.
> 
> George
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 4:06 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From the Financial Times (UK)
>> The power of the US cable barons must be challenged
>> 
>> <Untitled attachment 01028.gif>By Edward LuceAuthor alerts
>> 
>> No one in Washington seems to have the will to stop industry moguls from tightening their grip on the internet 
>> <Untitled attachment 01031.jpg>©Matt Kenyon
>> Imagine if one company controlled 40 per cent of America’s roads and raised tolls far in excess of inflation. Suppose the roads were potholed. Imagine too that its former chief lobbyist headed the highway sector’s federal regulator. American drivers would not be happy. US internet users ought to be feeling equally worried.
>> 
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Mon Apr 14 22:36:51 2014
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:36:51 +0900
Subject: [governance] NETmundial documents online for comment
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Please see <http://document.netmundial.br/> Use the Navigate button. 

Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC.

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WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE

After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and Technical Community.

Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final version of the document is released here for public comments. The public consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC.

For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address alongside your comment.

By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility  to register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous comments before making yours.

This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by all stakeholders.

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From nnenna75 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 02:35:46 2014
From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:35:46 +0000
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major
 issues
Message-ID: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to
speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of
those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.

I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".

There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
will be overlooked.


I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
draft/keypoints will be Monday.

Hope we can pull this off well.

All for now

Nnenna
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Tue Apr 15 02:38:41 2014
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:38:41 +1000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
 Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!



From: Nnenna Nwakanma 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
To: Governance ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net 
Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

Dear all,


I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.


I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".


There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked.



I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday.


Hope we can pull this off well.


All for now

Nnenna



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From joana at varonferraz.com  Tue Apr 15 02:42:49 2014
From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:42:49 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
 Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba>
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 <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <CALTAiTqk3AhsmgUwC2qdi2X=7DQfWKxnTKm-941NX8XKuwY7uQ@mail.gmail.com>

;)
happy to help.


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>   Congratulations Nnenna - great choice!
>
>
>
>  *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
> *To:* Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ;
> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> major issues
>
>     Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 03:12:19 2014
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 00:12:19 -0700
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
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Message-ID: <-4755729043675593517@unknownmsgid>

  Good news if you ask me.
Thank God for journey mercies.
Remmy

Sent from my Windows Phone
 ------------------------------
From: Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
Sent: 15/04/2014 07:36
To: Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
<bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major
issues

Dear all,

I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to
speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of
those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.

I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".

There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
will be overlooked.


I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
draft/keypoints will be Monday.

Hope we can pull this off well.

All for now

Nnenna
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From jeanette at wzb.eu  Tue Apr 15 03:23:07 2014
From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:23:07 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba>
References: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com> <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu>

+ 1
jeanette

Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ;
> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> major issues
> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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From anriette at apc.org  Tue Apr 15 03:44:04 2014
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:44:04 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu>
References: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com> <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu>
Message-ID: <534CE344.2050200@apc.org>

Congrats Nnenna!

Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working
inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly
those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very
different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes
hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures,
consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not
always agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that
defines what the public interest is in internet governance that can be
used to promote and protect this public interest across the internet
governance ecosystem and it is this framework that we trust the
NetMundial can get us closer to.

You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only -
mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to
deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to get
the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only issue that
NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it is a key
opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that are not simply
cosmetic.

Anriette

On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
> + 1
> jeanette
>
> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ;
>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>> major issues
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>
>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>
>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
>> will be overlooked.
>>
>>
>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>
>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>
>> All for now
>>
>> Nnenna
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From ggithaiga at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 15 03:56:09 2014
From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:56:09 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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References:  <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba>
 <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu>,<534CE344.2050200@apc.org>
Message-ID: <DUB111-W684AC737A3477620972D19B4500@phx.gbl>

Great points Anriette.

Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:44:04 +0200
From: anriette at apc.org
To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues


  
    
  
  
    Congrats Nnenna!

      

      Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
      working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
      particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil
      society - is very different from putting on a colourful West
      African outfit :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change
      in structures and procedures, consultation, respect, trust,
      debate, and struggle, because do not always agree. It also
      requires a common framework of principles that defines what the
      public interest is in internet governance that can be used to
      promote and protect this public interest across the internet
      governance ecosystem and it is this framework that we trust the
      NetMundial can get us closer to.

      

      You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not
      only - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy
      trust, and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test
      for multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be
      good to get the message accross that the IANA transition is not
      the only issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the
      same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and
      approaches that are not simply cosmetic.

      

      Anriette

      

    
    On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann
      wrote:

    
    + 1
      

      jeanette
      

      

      Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
      

      Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
        

        *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
        

        *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
        

        *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ;
        

        mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
        

        *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
        Society
        

        major issues
        

        Dear all,
        

        

        I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
        inviting me
        

        to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have
        to pack
        

        one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
        

        

        I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
        

        perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
        

        

        There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my
        ideas into
        

        place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no
        major issues
        

        will be overlooked.
        

        

        

        I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can
        share a
        

        draft/keypoints will be Monday.
        

        

        Hope we can pull this off well.
        

        

        All for now
        

        

        Nnenna
        

        

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From lorena at collaboratory.de  Tue Apr 15 03:57:09 2014
From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:57:09 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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	<28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba>
	<534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu>
	<534CE344.2050200@apc.org>
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+1


2014-04-15 9:44 GMT+02:00 Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>:

>  Congrats Nnenna!
>
> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working
> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly
> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very
> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard
> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures,
> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always
> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what
> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote
> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem
> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>
> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only -
> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to
> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder
> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross
> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be
> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with
> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic.
>
> Anriette
>
>  On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>
> + 1
> jeanette
>
> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>
> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com> <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org><governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> major issues
> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From admin at alkasir.com  Tue Apr 15 04:10:45 2014
From: admin at alkasir.com (Walid AL-SAQAF)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:10:45 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
 Society major issues
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Congrats Nenna and I'm really delighted to know that we have you as a
champion for civil society and the global south as well.

I support Anriette's points and wish to add that it would be an opportune
moment for you to raise the issue of bridging the digital divide as a
priority and doing it  a comprehensive way does require involving all
stakeholders. Remind governments that, on issues related to the internet,
all stakeholders should have a say and it is NOT business as usual.

I hope your message will resonate, in particular, with Arab governments,
which are -in my view- still living in the past and may want to hijack the
process  to put government in charge and shape the future of IG.

Let's not allow that to happen.

Good luck!

Sincerely,

Walid
On Apr 15, 2014 8:36 AM, "Nnenna Nwakanma" <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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From jefsey at jefsey.com  Tue Apr 15 05:13:50 2014
From: jefsey at jefsey.com (Jefsey)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:13:50 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [Marcocivil] RES: NetMundial Draft  Outcome
 document Online for comments	at the platform
In-Reply-To: <534C867D.9030203@cafonso.ca>
References: <CALTAiTrg0zYe-6PDsiWEo+oNmZjE9CPAeSx+p0vG5PjNE-upKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7C9F27BE10361942966E4835F365891A77DAFC7C@A19MAIL.aricle19.org>
 <534C867D.9030203@cafonso.ca>
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At 03:08 15/04/2014, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>  unfragmented,

Dear Carlos,

the internet is fragmented at missing layer six. This results in the 
RFC 6852 "global communities" of which the economy is now to direct 
the standardization evolution. This fragmentation is dependent on the 
mobile OS environment. It is not yet at the parameter plane but this 
what all this is about.

The whole lobbying we are submitted to comes from this: the edge 
providers (Google, Apple, Microsoft ...) want to get rid of the 
single NTIA oversight. The internet is now growing as the addition of 
the global community networks (edge MS) of the network of networks 
opposing through a fragmented "de facto standardisation" the 
emergence of general personal (multitude's MS) virtual networking of 
the networks of networks. Please read RFC 6852.

The qui-pro-quo is to societally engineer this new status-quo as 
being supposedly desired by the Civil Society (i.e. consumers). 
Brazil is a key spot for this tug of war as Europe is sleeping and US 
is already conquered. It has the Marco Civil and the engineering 
capacity to oppose fragmentation through open source. The brillant 
move is to diverted attention from the technical dividing to a 
political bog, so everyone's focus will be on the wrong spot until a 
de facto consensus of usage has settled the technical fragmentation, 
which in turn will induce the community fragmentation, and eventually 
the parameter fragmentation that will stabilize the market share new 
status-quo through the growth of goodwill "bridges".

This is why the only way to oppose that now leading trend is to 
rebuild the internet from its WSIS indentified core: the person, its 
digital use, its digital resources optimization, from home to the 
global world, on an open Libre basis to get rid of the commercial 
money of the edge oligopoles.

As a Brazilian Civil Society leader your role is not negligible in 
that uncertain situation.

jfc


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From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 05:23:18 2014
From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:23:18 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [Marcocivil] RES: NetMundial Draft  Outcome
 document Online for comments	at the platform
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+1


Le 15 avr. 2014 à 11:13, Jefsey a écrit :

> At 03:08 15/04/2014, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>> unfragmented,
> 
> Dear Carlos,
> 
> the internet is fragmented at missing layer six. This results in the RFC 6852 "global communities" of which the economy is now to direct the standardization evolution. This fragmentation is dependent on the mobile OS environment. It is not yet at the parameter plane but this what all this is about.
> 
> The whole lobbying we are submitted to comes from this: the edge providers (Google, Apple, Microsoft ...) want to get rid of the single NTIA oversight. The internet is now growing as the addition of the global community networks (edge MS) of the network of networks opposing through a fragmented "de facto standardisation" the emergence of general personal (multitude's MS) virtual networking of the networks of networks. Please read RFC 6852.
> 
> The qui-pro-quo is to societally engineer this new status-quo as being supposedly desired by the Civil Society (i.e. consumers). Brazil is a key spot for this tug of war as Europe is sleeping and US is already conquered. It has the Marco Civil and the engineering capacity to oppose fragmentation through open source. The brillant move is to diverted attention from the technical dividing to a political bog, so everyone's focus will be on the wrong spot until a de facto consensus of usage has settled the technical fragmentation, which in turn will induce the community fragmentation, and eventually the parameter fragmentation that will stabilize the market share new status-quo through the growth of goodwill "bridges".
> 
> This is why the only way to oppose that now leading trend is to rebuild the internet from its WSIS indentified core: the person, its digital use, its digital resources optimization, from home to the global world, on an open Libre basis to get rid of the commercial money of the edge oligopoles.
> 
> As a Brazilian Civil Society leader your role is not negligible in that uncertain situation.
> 
> jfc
> 
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 06:48:43 2014
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:48:43 +1200
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
 major issues
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Hey Nnenna,

Many thanks for the heads up. Safe travels.

Best Wishes,
Sala


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 06:50:04 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:50:04 -0700
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy,
 says Scientific Study
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Mike,

 

Do I take you as saying below that you would trade (even the opportunity) of influence via democratic participation for the many; in return for the (in my opinion) illusion of not being “excluded” for the few via multistakeholderism?

 

M

 

From: Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] 
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM
To: michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus List; bestbits
Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study

 


Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which they are baseline excluded.

 


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From: michael gurstein
Sent: 4/14/14, 4:07 PM
To: 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits
Subject: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study

I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision making processes.

 

Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies.

 

M 

 

From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study

 

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14

Common Dreams     April 14, 2014 


US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study


“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” 

by Eric Zuesse 

In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A  <http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf> study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: 

"Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."

To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy.

The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled  <http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf> "Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich:

Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater.

Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an enormous number of policy-issues studied.

What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell.

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  <http://www.amazon.com/Theyre-Not-Even-Close-Democratic/dp/1880026090/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1339027537&sr=8-9> They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of  <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q1H4EG> CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity. 

 

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From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 07:18:50 2014
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 07:47:30 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:47:30 -0400
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
 major issues
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Dear Nnenna,
I am quite sure that it will be "pulled off well" :-)
Anriette mentions trust twice in her suggestion. I hope you can include
trust as a desirable state to achieve.
You'll look great and sound great
De


On 15 April 2014 02:35, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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From iza at anr.org  Tue Apr 15 07:49:32 2014
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:49:32 +0900
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
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Congratulations Nnenna!!

One point I like to share is -

We need to increase meaningful input and participation from the people in
the developing parts of the world.

This does not necessarily developing countries and their governments.
There are so many people living in the underdeveloped parts inside
developed countries.
They are mostly in the remote areas, in the mountains, country side, far
from major cities etc.  Or even inside large cities but in the slums, poor
areas.

They are as marginalized and ignored. People in the small and often remote
island countries, landlocked countries are in similar situation, if not the
same.
 These were mentioned by Tunis Agenda, I believe.

Often, if the got connectivity, thanks to Internet and mobile phones, these
new links might bring as much benefits as problems. But their voices and
views are often ignored, not much invited. Most domain names are owned and
operated by the people in the cities.

Of course, these economic factors and conditions are not directly generated
by the Internet, and Internet Governance issues may not seem to be directly
linked. But nonetheless, I like to ask you to consider these issues.

Thank you,

izumi

2014年4月15日火曜日、Nnenna Nwakanma<nnenna75 at gmail.com>さんは書きました:

> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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From kichango at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 07:52:55 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:52:55 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
 Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <20140415111850.5779601.10632.39472@gmail.com>
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Congrats, Nnenna!
+ to Anriette's points (to keep it at the principles and big ideas level,
given the time constraint.)
So I'm not going to add to the load, as I'm sure at the end all good ideas
will be raised --not to mention you know as well as I do the corner of the
world you and I live in.

Good luck!

mawaki



On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Tracy Hackshaw @ Google <
tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Nnenna!
>
> It would be very much appreciated if you could make a mention of the
> challenges being faced by Small Island Developing States in their ongoing
> struggle to balance Information Society objectives with basic
> infrastructural requirements in the face of environmental threats.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tracy
>
>  Sent from BlackBerry Q10
>   *From: *Nnenna Nwakanma
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:36 AM
> *To: *Governance; <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> *Reply To: *Nnenna Nwakanma
> *Subject: *[bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> major issues
>
> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
>
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From bavouc at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 08:04:53 2014
From: bavouc at gmail.com (Martial Bavou)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 13:04:53 +0100
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
 major issues
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+1 Nnenna

 

From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma
Sent: mardi 15 avril 2014 07:36
To: Governance; <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

 

Dear all,

I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.

I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".

There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked.



I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday.

Hope we can pull this off well.

All for now

Nnenna

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From valeriab at apc.org  Tue Apr 15 08:15:38 2014
From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:15:38 -0500
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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Congratulations, Nnenna!   

El 15/04/2014, a las 1:42, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> escribió:

> ;)
> happy to help.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>  
>  
>  
> From: Nnenna Nwakanma
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
> To: Governance ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues
>  
> Dear all,
> 
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
> 
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
> 
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked.
> 
> 
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday.
> 
> Hope we can pull this off well.
> 
> All for now
> 
> Nnenna
> 
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From valeriab at apc.org  Tue Apr 15 08:16:24 2014
From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:16:24 -0500
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+ 1 on Anriette’s points.  

El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> escribió:

> Congrats Nnenna!
> 
> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
> 
> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>> + 1 
>> jeanette 
>> 
>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: 
>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! 
>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com> 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM 
>>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; 
>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net 
>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society 
>>> major issues 
>>> Dear all, 
>>> 
>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me 
>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack 
>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. 
>>> 
>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society 
>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". 
>>> 
>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into 
>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues 
>>> will be overlooked. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a 
>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. 
>>> 
>>> Hope we can pull this off well. 
>>> 
>>> All for now 
>>> 
>>> Nnenna 
>>> 
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 08:02:28 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 05:02:28 -0700
Subject: [governance] RE: [be US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
 Scientific Study
Message-ID: <003301cf58a2$93d1cc20$bb756460$@gmail.com>

A couple of points before I rush off.

 

It is to my mind quite bizarre to equate democracy with governmentalism.
Democracy is giving the people voice (including dare I say through
independent media) and the means to turn those voices into actions.
Government is a means, perhaps the best means to do this but in no sense is
it the only means and certainly doesn't involve a commitment to incumbent
governments (or inter-governments) or their actions.

 

Second, the issue with MSism is not its relation (or not) to democratic
"principles" however high minded or rhetorically compelling. The question is
its relation to democratic practices i.e. substituting decision making by
the few and self-selected for decision making by the many operating through
accountable and transparent processes.

 

M

 

From: Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:19 AM
To: michael gurstein; 'Internet Governance Caucus List'; 'bestbits'
Subject: Re: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
Scientific Study

 

My own personal view, which I have to stress does not purport to represent
my employer, is more nuanced. I think all governments, from the most
democratic to the most authoritarian, share certain self-perceptions and
assumptions that tend to run against the radically democratic potentialities
of online media. (In my own work, I run into this constantly - the
perception that the internet is so inherently disruptive that it must be
controlled in one way or another. It's how, until very recently, democratic
governments even thought of the traditional press.) This isn't malice or
selfishness - instead, this is an "occupational hazard" if your occupation
is being a government, and nobody is immune, really. Multi-stakeholderism at
its best, in my view, formalizes the necessity of taking input from
non-governmental "outsiders." I think that's the right outcome,
democratically speaking. (I also happen to think that the USG's favoring
multi-stakeholderism--at least as it does right now--is a happy
circumstance, because institutional governmental self-interest over the long
term tends to favor governmental--or inter-governmental--bodies most of the
time.)

 

So my "solution space" for internet governance tends to center on
multi-stakeholderism, clearly, but of course multi-stakeholderism has to be
structured correctly, and multi-stakeholderism is to be valued not in itself
but to the extent that it serves democratic values. (A multistakeholder
system favoring corporate dominance is no better than one favoring
institutional government dominance, and of course, as I think you agree,
might be worse.) By contrast, I don't view the ITU (for example) as being a
leading candidate for serving those values.

 

We have a number of models to pick from. And as Laura DeNardis suggests in
her recent writings, we may actually need to pick different models for
different particular governance spaces and roles.

 

 

-Mike

 

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Address 1601 R Street NW, 2nd Floor Washington, DC 20009 USA

 

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From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 at 6:50 AM
To: Mike Godwin <mgodwin at internews.org>, 'Internet Governance Caucus List'
<governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, 'bestbits' <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
Scientific Study

 

Mike,

 

Do I take you as saying below that you would trade (even the opportunity) of
influence via democratic participation for the many; in return for the (in
my opinion) illusion of not being "excluded" for the few via
multistakeholderism?

 

M

 

From: Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] 
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM
To: michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus List; bestbits
Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
Scientific Study

 


Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may
legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which they are
baseline excluded.

 


Sent from my iPhone using Mail+ for Outlook <http://taps.io/mailplus>  

From: michael gurstein
Sent: 4/14/14, 4:07 PM
To: 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits
Subject: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific
Study

I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have
multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism
would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask)
their power in global decision making processes.

 

Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet
Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases
the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies.

 

M 

 

From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sid Shniad
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study

 

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14

Common Dreams     April 14, 2014 


US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study


"The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule,
near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." 

by Eric Zuesse 

In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight.
(Photo: Shutterstock)A
<http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20
and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf>
study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives
on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy,
meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study's opening
question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: 

"Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for
theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of
the American public actually have little influence over the policies our
government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic
governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association,
and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go
on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic
society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever
comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is
instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian
Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic
elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the
preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule,
near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."

To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an
oligarchy.

The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and
Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled
<http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20
and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf>
"Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data
available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of
the U.S. by the super-rich:

Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even
though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites.
Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans - though
useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases - is
probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures
of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest
groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this
imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be
still greater.

Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of
whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to
test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking
operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of
the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper
reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes
measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That's an enormous
number of policy-issues studied.

What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is
important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a
democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The
clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at
all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the
oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media).
The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other
dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we
clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, "the
preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule,
near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." That's
it, in a nutshell.

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of
<http://www.amazon.com/Theyre-Not-Even-Close-Democratic/dp/1880026090/ref=sr
_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1339027537&sr=8-9> They're Not Even Close: The Democratic
vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of
<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q1H4EG> CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event
that Created Christianity. 

 

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From babatope at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 08:19:46 2014
From: babatope at gmail.com (Babatope Soremi)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 13:19:46 +0100
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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Congrats Nnenna.

+1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to ensure
trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding invasive
surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org>wrote:

> + 1 on Anriette’s points.
>
> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
> escribió:
>
>  Congrats Nnenna!
>
> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working
> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly
> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very
> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard
> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures,
> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always
> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what
> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote
> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem
> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>
> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only -
> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to
> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder
> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross
> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be
> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with
> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic.
>
> Anriette
>
>  On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>
> + 1
> jeanette
>
> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>
> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com> <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org><governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> major issues
> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 08:30:41 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 08:30:41 -0400
Subject: [governance] NETmundial documents online for comment
In-Reply-To: <749AA860-B2CF-4C8A-B783-073C6C4F9E9D@glocom.ac.jp>
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Thank you Adam and Joana.
Just to underscore that 21st is next Monday.
Deirdre




On 14 April 2014 22:36, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:

> Please see <http://document.netmundial.br/> Use the Navigate button.
>
> Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE
>
> After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global
> Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received
> 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by
> representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and
> Technical Community.
>
> Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive
> Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and
> submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder
> Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from
> the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final
> version of the document is released here for public comments. The public
> consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee
> Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC.
>
> For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at
> http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public
> comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create
> an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to
> immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to
> say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address
> alongside your comment.
>
> By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all
> the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of
> the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility  to
> register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in
> someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous
> comments before making yours.
>
> This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public
> content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the
> Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of
> trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance
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From fatimacambronero at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 08:47:50 2014
From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:47:50 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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	<28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba>
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Congrats Nnenna and thanks for representing us!

I also support Anriette's points, especially those about trust, and I would
add:



-a REAL participation of civil society and Internet users in IG ecosystem >
related to capacity building to allow that participation

-infrastructure (development/access to) < it is still an issue in many of
our developing countries

-human rights: freedom of expression, privacy, freedom of association
(respect to)

-Openness, accountability, transparency, inclusiveness

-Bottom-up and multistakeholder processes

Thanks.



Best Regards,

Fatima




2014-04-15 9:19 GMT-03:00 Babatope Soremi <babatope at gmail.com>:

> Congrats Nnenna.
>
> +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to
> ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding
> invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org>wrote:
>
>> + 1 on Anriette's points.
>>
>> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>> escribió:
>>
>>  Congrats Nnenna!
>>
>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working
>> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly
>> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very
>> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard
>> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures,
>> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always
>> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what
>> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote
>> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem
>> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>
>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only -
>> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to
>> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder
>> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross
>> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be
>> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with
>> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>  On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>
>> + 1
>> jeanette
>>
>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>
>> Congratulations Nnenna - great choice!
>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com> <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org><governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>> major issues
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>
>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>
>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
>> will be overlooked.
>>
>>
>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>
>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>
>> All for now
>>
>> Nnenna
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ____________________________________________________________
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>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
>> executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org
>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>> south africa
>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>
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From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com  Tue Apr 15 08:55:56 2014
From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:55:56 +0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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 <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu>
 <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <3E5FA9C5-7BC8-442F-8A5C-53B62A00E838@apc.org> <CAG7Q5UcxrT67A+isORnos7Z1=fphj6ObU7YqvRbDnPct51wi-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Nnenna, do not mince words. To echo Anriette's wisdom:-

Privacy and surveillance are very key issues. Indeed, NSA's surveillance of
President Rousseff's communication was the precursor to the meeting. Mass
Surveillance is a serious case of violation of human rights and civil
liberties, it is disrespectful and destroy's trust on the Internet.

Also point out that All stakeholders have an equal voice and should be
allowed to participate "as peers on equal footing"

______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
twitter.com/lordmwesh



On 15 April 2014 15:19, Babatope Soremi <babatope at gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats Nnenna.
>
> +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to
> ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding
> invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org>wrote:
>
>> + 1 on Anriette's points.
>>
>> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>> escribió:
>>
>>  Congrats Nnenna!
>>
>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working
>> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly
>> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very
>> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard
>> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures,
>> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always
>> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what
>> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote
>> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem
>> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>
>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only -
>> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to
>> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder
>> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross
>> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be
>> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with
>> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>  On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>
>> + 1
>> jeanette
>>
>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>
>> Congratulations Nnenna - great choice!
>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com> <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org><governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>> major issues
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>
>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>
>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
>> will be overlooked.
>>
>>
>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>
>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>
>> All for now
>>
>> Nnenna
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
>> executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org
>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>> south africa
>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>
>>  ____________________________________________________________
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>
> Quality is never an accident. It is always the result of intelligent
> effort.
>
> *John Ruskin *
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 09:02:05 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:02:05 -0700
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
 Society major issues
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Congrats Nnenna,

 

Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest the following:

1.       A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the Common Good/in the Public Interest… I only see minor and off-handed references to this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a full-on commitment/re-commitment to this.  This is especially the case given the risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a “stakeholder” approach to Internet governance presents. 

2.       Framing/reframing “multistakeholderism” as a useful element in policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place to ensure the probity and accountability of  these processes, within the context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase “multistakeholder dialogue in a democratic framework”. 

3.       Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic) justice.  The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity and wealth distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the NetMundial document is extended to include the “Right to Development” needs also to address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the dominant issues of our time.

4.       Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple “capacity building” which ultimately can only enable the few, into designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and have those voices heard.

Good luck with it.

 

Mike

 

From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM
To: Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso
Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

 

Dear all,

I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.

I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".

There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked.



I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday.

Hope we can pull this off well.

All for now

Nnenna

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From fsylla at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 09:04:04 2014
From: fsylla at gmail.com (Fatimata Seye Sylla)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 13:04:04 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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Congratulations Nnenna!
+1 Anriette
+1 Izumi

And I am sure Nnenna, you will stress on youth and women's inclusion
and participation in IG in developing countries.

Fatimata

2014-04-15 12:55 GMT+00:00 Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com>:
> Nnenna, do not mince words. To echo Anriette's wisdom:-
>
> Privacy and surveillance are very key issues. Indeed, NSA's surveillance of
> President Rousseff's communication was the precursor to the meeting. Mass
> Surveillance is a serious case of violation of human rights and civil
> liberties, it is disrespectful and destroy's trust on the Internet.
>
> Also point out that All stakeholders have an equal voice and should be
> allowed to participate "as peers on equal footing"
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>
>
>
> On 15 April 2014 15:19, Babatope Soremi <babatope at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Congrats Nnenna.
>>
>> +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to
>> ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding
>> invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> + 1 on Anriette’s points.
>>>
>>> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>
>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working
>>> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly those
>>> that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very different from
>>> putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard work, change in
>>> behaviour, change in structures and procedures, consultation, respect,
>>> trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always agree. It also requires a
>>> common framework of principles that defines what the public interest is in
>>> internet governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this framework
>>> that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>
>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only -
>>> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to deny
>>> accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder
>>> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross
>>> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be
>>> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with
>>> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic.
>>>
>>> Anriette
>>>
>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>
>>> + 1
>>> jeanette
>>>
>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>
>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ;
>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>> major issues
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>
>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>
>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
>>> will be overlooked.
>>>
>>>
>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>
>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>
>>> All for now
>>>
>>> Nnenna
>>>
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>>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>> www.apc.org
>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>> south africa
>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Babatope Soremi
>>
>> A destructive means can not bring about a constructive end....
>>
>> TB
>>
>>
>> Quality is never an accident. It is always the result of intelligent
>> effort.
>>
>> John Ruskin
>>
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Tue Apr 15 09:11:11 2014
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:11:11 -0300
Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
 major issues
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This is great news! I want to hear your powerful voice and ideas make
the walls of Hyatt (and all stakeholders present) tremble!

It would be too arrogant on my part to dare to try putting words in your
mouth. You know what to say.

Congratulations, Nnenna! See you soon.

--c.a.

On 04/15/2014 03:35 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
> 
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
> 
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
> 
> 
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
> 
> Hope we can pull this off well.
> 
> All for now
> 
> Nnenna

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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 09:11:21 2014
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:11:21 +1200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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Remind them that as the discussions ensue that we be mindful that
decisions, influences made will affect diverse communities who may be
under-represented at the Net Mundial. Noting that the timespan of the call
for submissions were made in haste and would have ensured a fragment of
views from the world.

Principles such as stewardship, accountability, transparency are key. The
conflict in definitions of "governance" whether this is "narrow" or "wide"
continues to impact debate, dialogue and discussions. Whilst there is both
light handed and heavy handed regulations of various aspects of the
Internet, it is critical that the community agree on principles of Internet
Governance that can help get the discussions rolling from a neutral
platform.

We are witnessing a war that to some degree is influenced by geopolitics,
market power, struggle to be heard that at times global public interest can
be easily marginalised. We have to find room to hear not only the "loud"
voices but also the "lone" voices in the desert.

Inclusion, meaningful participation, humility to listen to diverse voices
is essential for authentic dialogue and engagement where we talk to each
other and not at each other. Sometimes as stakeholders, we can be so
focussed with hearing our own voices that we miss hearing what others have
to say. It will require a level of give and take from each other so that
all stakeholder groups - civil society, private sector and public sector
can engage. The degree in which they are able to collaborate and engage
will determine tomorrow's landscape.


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva <
Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:

> Nnenna, do not mince words. To echo Anriette's wisdom:-
>
> Privacy and surveillance are very key issues. Indeed, NSA's surveillance
> of President Rousseff's communication was the precursor to the meeting.
> Mass Surveillance is a serious case of violation of human rights and civil
> liberties, it is disrespectful and destroy's trust on the Internet.
>
> Also point out that All stakeholders have an equal voice and should be
> allowed to participate "as peers on equal footing"
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>
>
>
> On 15 April 2014 15:19, Babatope Soremi <babatope at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Congrats Nnenna.
>>
>> +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to
>> ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding
>> invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org>wrote:
>>
>>> + 1 on Anriette's points.
>>>
>>> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>  Congrats Nnenna!
>>>
>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working
>>> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly
>>> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very
>>> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard
>>> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures,
>>> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always
>>> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what
>>> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote
>>> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem
>>> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>
>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only -
>>> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to
>>> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder
>>> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross
>>> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be
>>> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with
>>> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic.
>>>
>>> Anriette
>>>
>>>  On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>
>>> + 1
>>> jeanette
>>>
>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>
>>> Congratulations Nnenna - great choice!
>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com> <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org><governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>> major issues
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>
>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>
>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
>>> will be overlooked.
>>>
>>>
>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>
>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>
>>> All for now
>>>
>>> Nnenna
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
>>> executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org
>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>> south africa
>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Babatope Soremi
>>
>> A destructive means can not bring about a constructive end....
>>
>> TB
>>
>>
>> Quality is never an accident. It is always the result of intelligent
>> effort.
>>
>> *John Ruskin *
>>
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From kichango at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 09:37:46 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 13:37:46 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy,
 says Scientific Study
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) <
mgodwin at internews.org> wrote:

> My own personal view, which I have to stress does not purport to represent
> my employer, is more nuanced. I think all governments, from the most
> democratic to the most authoritarian, share certain self-perceptions and
> assumptions that tend to run against the radically democratic
> potentialities of online media. (In my own work, I run into this constantly
> -- the perception that the internet is so inherently disruptive that it must
> be controlled in one way or another. It's how, until very recently,
> democratic governments even thought of the traditional press.) This isn't
> malice or selfishness -- instead, this is an "occupational hazard" if your
> occupation is being a government, and nobody is immune, really.
> Multi-stakeholderism at its best, in my view, formalizes the necessity of
> taking input from non-governmental "outsiders." I think that's the right
> outcome, democratically speaking. (I also happen to think that the USG's
> favoring multi-stakeholderism--at least as it does right now--is a happy
> circumstance, because institutional governmental self-interest over the
> long term tends to favor governmental--or inter-governmental--bodies most
> of the time.)
>
> So my "solution space" for internet governance tends to center on
> multi-stakeholderism, clearly, but of course multi-stakeholderism has to be
> structured correctly, and multi-stakeholderism is to be valued not in
> itself but to the extent that it serves democratic values.
>

Exactly the direction that my own thinking... But I am still to write my
self-promised piece on MSism :)


> (A multistakeholder system favoring corporate dominance is no better than
> one favoring institutional government dominance, and of course, as I think
> you agree, might be worse.) By contrast, I don't view the ITU (for example)
> as being a leading candidate for serving those values.
>
> We have a number of models to pick from. And as Laura DeNardis suggests in
> her recent writings, we may actually need to pick different models for
> different particular governance spaces and roles.
>

The only way that makes sense. I think one of the biggest problem we have
been facing in our discussion of MSism is that many people are confusing
different level of analysis (thus confusing or mis-characterizing aspects
of the phenomena to be analyzed.) MSism is a decision-making process and I
don't know where anyone could have possibly taken that bogus idea that
MSism is the next big thing after democracy (just like democracy once was
that next big thing after tyranny, aristocracy, etc.) Those two things are
not contiguous (thus mutually exclusive) phenomena on the same plane (say,
the timeline of history.) We still are in the era of democracy the benefits
of which many peoples on earth are still waiting for. Democracy is not only
about voting (it's not even exhaustively defined by that) and exclusively
for nation-state governments. It is about getting the consent of the
governed (through the inclusion of their concerns) to the matters of
governing -- whatever is being governed. It's not because historically,
democracy has reached its highest peak (in terms of the maximum people
being involved) in the context of national governments where people freely
vote that that has to be the only way democracy can be operationalized,
much less the only possible meaning for its concept.

When the Greeks coined the word to mean the rule of the people, did people
vote? Free citizenship was only extended to a subset of people (probably
still a numerical minority) excluding slaves and women, although presumably
a larger elite than the one that exclusively ruled before democracy was
established. It's not even clear to me whether those free citizens went to
the poll to vote as we do today. And until the second half of last century,
there were many suffrage movements to extend citizenship to women and
(political) minorities for the right to vote, including in very developed
countries. So democracy as a concept cannot be frozen into the practice of
voting as we know it today (one person, one vote) in the sole context of
nation-sates. It an idea that is still with us and still fully has its
relevance while we are experimenting with emergent collective
decision-making ideas and practices such as MSism.

In that sense, as a decision-making process MSism can prove to be more, or
less, democratic, in the sense of getting the consent of the governed
(through the inclusion of their concerns) to the matters of governing. If
it survives its infancy and grows robust, the specific value MSism may be
said to bring is the ability to make collective decisions, particularly
policy decisions, at supra- and transnational level where governments are
not the only participants or direct actors (I locate the primary value at
that level because so far it seems in supra-national spaces, policy
decisions have been made directly by government reps voting while in
sub-national spaces a full and well-implemented operationalization of
democratic principles may lead to outcomes that are as good and legitimate
as MSism applied in those spaces.)

As a collective decision-making mechanisms chosen from various models to
fit a particular governance space, each instance of MSism will be shaped
and will perform based on the actors/stakeholders involved and the
resources and tools available in that space. As a result, with
multi-stakeholderism the devil will ALWAYS be in the detail (not to say
MSism is the only thing for which this applies, so please don't start
another useless discussion on this particular point, thanks.)

P.S. Sorry, maybe I should have posted this in the MSism thread... I didn't
mean to be that elaborate when I begun to reply. But, hey, that's what it
is.

Mawaki


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> From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 at 6:50 AM
> To: Mike Godwin <mgodwin at internews.org>, 'Internet Governance Caucus
> List' <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, 'bestbits' <
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>
> Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
> Scientific Study
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> Do I take you as saying below that you would trade (even the opportunity)
> of influence via democratic participation for the many; in return for the
> (in my opinion) illusion of not being "excluded" for the few via
> multistakeholderism?
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG<mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG>]
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM
> *To:* michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus List;
> bestbits
> *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
> Scientific Study
>
>
>
>
> Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may
> legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which they are
> baseline excluded.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone using Mail+ for Outlook <http://taps.io/mailplus>
>
> *From:* michael gurstein
> *Sent:* 4/14/14, 4:07 PM
> *To:* 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits
> *Subject:* [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
> Scientific Study
>
> I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have
> multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since
> MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert
> (and mask) their power in global decision making processes.
>
>
>
> Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet
> Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases
> the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies.
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> *From:* sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com<sid-l at googlegroups.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Sid Shniad
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM
> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
> *Subject:* US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
>
>
>
>
>
> *http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14
> <http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14>Common Dreams     April 14,
> 2014 *
> US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
>
>
>
> *"The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule,
> near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." by
> Eric Zuesse*
>
> In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight.
> (Photo: Shutterstock)A study<http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf>,
> to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal *Perspectives on
> Politics*, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy,
> meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study's opening
> question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is:
>
> "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for
> theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of
> the American public actually have little influence over the policies our
> government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic
> governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association,
> and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go
> on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic
> society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever
> comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is
> instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian
> Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic
> elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the
> preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule,
> near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."
>
> To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an
> oligarchy.
>
> The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and
> Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of
> American Politics."<http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf> The
> authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the
> actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich:
>
> Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even
> though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites.
> Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans - though
> useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases - is
> probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our
> measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged
> interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using
> this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy
> may be still greater.
>
> Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of
> whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible
> to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking
> operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of
> the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper
> reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes
> measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That's an enormous
> number of policy-issues studied.
>
> What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data,
> is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a
> democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The
> clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at
> all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the
> oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media).
> The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other
> dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we
> clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, "the
> preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule,
> near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." That's
> it, in a nutshell.
>
> Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of *They're
> Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010*<http://www.amazon.com/Theyre-Not-Even-Close-Democratic/dp/1880026090/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1339027537&sr=8-9>
> *,*and of *CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.*<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q1H4EG>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 09:47:26 2014
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:47:26 +1200
Subject: [governance] Commission welcomes European Parliament support for a
 safer, healthier, high-tech and more #Connected Continent
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Dear All,

Aside from the Lunar Eclipse there are some really interesting things
happening globally. The European Parliament has released its Press Release
on making the rollout of broadband cheaper.

Today the European Parliament voted on EU rules which would cut by 30% the
cost of rolling out high-speed Internet.
European Commission Vice-President
@NeelieKroesEU<https://twitter.com/NeelieKroesEU>said: "Broadband
for all is not a promise! It is a commitment, of the EU, of the European
Commission, of the Heads of States. Today's measures are another step
towards delivering better internet for the Europeans.

See: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-304_en.htm

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue Apr 15 10:09:50 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:39:50 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy,
 says Scientific Study
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On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:07 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>
> SNIP

> . So democracy as a concept cannot be frozen into the practice of 
> voting as we know it today (one person, one vote) in the sole context 
> of nation-sates.

It may not be frozen into the practice of voting-- there is a huge 
amount of literature and practice of participatory democracy that says 
exactly that.. But, can we freeze in not having a vote for corporates - 
in fact multiple and exclusive votes, where ordinary people do not have 
votes... That is MS decision making...

Why do we need to go beyond participatory democracy as the means of 
fulfilling the ideal of democracy and rather jump to MSism which is 
simply not democratic in a thousand way.....

parminder

> It an idea that is still with us and still fully has its relevance 
> while we are experimenting with emergent collective decision-making 
> ideas and practices such as MSism.
>
> In that sense, as a decision-making process MSism can prove to be 
> more, or less, democratic, in the sense of getting the consent of the 
> governed (through the inclusion of their concerns) to the matters of 
> governing. If it survives its infancy and grows robust, the specific 
> value MSism may be said to bring is the ability to make collective 
> decisions, particularly policy decisions, at supra- and transnational 
> level where governments are not the only participants or direct actors 
> (I locate the primary value at that level because so far it seems in 
> supra-national spaces, policy decisions have been made directly by 
> government reps voting while in sub-national spaces a full and 
> well-implemented operationalization of democratic principles may lead 
> to outcomes that are as good and legitimate as MSism applied in those 
> spaces.)
>
> As a collective decision-making mechanisms chosen from various models 
> to fit a particular governance space, each instance of MSism will be 
> shaped and will perform based on the actors/stakeholders involved and 
> the resources and tools available in that space. As a result, with 
> multi-stakeholderism the devil will ALWAYS be in the detail (not to 
> say MSism is the only thing for which this applies, so please don't 
> start another useless discussion on this particular point, thanks.)
>
> P.S. Sorry, maybe I should have posted this in the MSism thread... I 
> didn't mean to be that elaborate when I begun to reply. But, hey, 
> that's what it is.
>
> Mawaki
>
>
>
>     —Mike
>
>     -- 
>
>     *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project
>
>     mgodwin at internews.org <mailto:mgodwin at internews.org> | *Mobile*
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>
>     From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>>
>     Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 at 6:50 AM
>     To: Mike Godwin <mgodwin at internews.org
>     <mailto:mgodwin at internews.org>>, 'Internet Governance Caucus List'
>     <governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>     <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>, 'bestbits'
>     <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>
>
>     Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy,
>     says Scientific Study
>
>     Mike,
>
>     Do I take you as saying below that you would trade (even the
>     opportunity) of influence via democratic participation for the
>     many; in return for the (in my opinion) illusion of not being
>     “excluded” for the few via multistakeholderism?
>
>     M
>
>     *From:*Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG
>     <mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG>) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG]
>     *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM
>     *To:* michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus
>     List; bestbits
>     *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy,
>     says Scientific Study
>
>
>     Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may
>     legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which
>     they are baseline excluded.
>
>
>     Sent from my iPhone using Mail+ for Outlook <http://taps.io/mailplus>
>
>     *From:*michael gurstein
>     *Sent:* 4/14/14, 4:07 PM
>     *To:* 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits
>     *Subject:* [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says
>     Scientific Study
>
>     I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG
>     to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet)
>     governance since MSism would be the political form through which
>     oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision
>     making processes.
>
>     Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in
>     Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they
>     are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies.
>
>     M
>
>     *From:*sid-l at googlegroups.com <mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com>
>     [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sid Shniad
>     *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM
>     *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
>     *Subject:* US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
>
>     *http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14
>
>     Common Dreams     April 14, 2014 *
>
>
>         US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
>
>     *“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a
>     minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon
>     public policy.”
>
>     by Eric Zuesse*
>
>     In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing
>     weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A study
>     <http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf>,
>     to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal
>     /Perspectives on Politics/, finds that the U.S. is no democracy,
>     but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the
>     answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really
>     rules?" in this country, is:
>
>     "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous
>     studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses
>     suggest that majorities of the American public actually have
>     little influence over the policies our government adopts.
>     Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance,
>     such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and
>     a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then
>     they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to
>     being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the
>     findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of
>     the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total
>     failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral
>     Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic
>     elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled
>     for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a
>     minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon
>     public policy."
>
>     To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually
>     an oligarchy.
>
>     The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens
>     and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing
>     Theories of American Politics."
>     <http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf> The
>     authors clarify that the data available are probably
>     under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the
>     super-rich:
>
>         Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our
>         analysis, even though our findings probably understate the
>         political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences
>         of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we
>         could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably
>         less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our
>         measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments
>         of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated
>         effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world
>         impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater.
>
>     Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the
>     question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it
>     has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical
>     predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy,
>     versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against
>     each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports
>     on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes
>     measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an
>     enormous number of policy-issues studied.
>
>     What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the
>     data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether
>     the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some
>     combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an
>     oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a
>     sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the
>     country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in
>     other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious
>     "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we
>     clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the
>     data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only
>     a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon
>     public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell.
>
>     Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently,
>     of /They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic
>     Records, 1910-2010/
>     <http://www.amazon.com/Theyre-Not-Even-Close-Democratic/dp/1880026090/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1339027537&sr=8-9>/,/and
>     of /CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity./
>     <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q1H4EG>
>
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Tue Apr 15 10:21:14 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:21:14 +0200
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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Congrats Nnenna!

May I add to Mike excellent comments, one point? 

Nnenna, I am not sure if you will be there intuitu personae, persona grata or representing some, part, or all of Civil society entities (?!), but just in case you represent some of our thoughts and opinions, I think it would be nice to mention that among civil society there are people who disagree with the equal stakeholder - equal rights - equal footing  thinking and narrative. Stakeholder voices might all be equal, meaning equally audible, but that amusing "equal footing" expression doesn't mean that these respectable voices are legitimate or representative of anything, anyone, and properly checked and balanced. So equal voices with different rights, that might be interesting to explore. But equal footing meaning equal rights among stakeholders, that jungle is right the opposite of Democracy, where corporations are still not invited to make the law, and participate and seat in parliaments on an equal footing. The market seating in the Congress, I wish never to see that in my life. It sounds like some kind of very un-democratic thing. I do remember that some comments on these lists where made about civil servants (and their so called legendary inability to work without other people holding the pencil for them, which I tend to think as very untrue), and I know that governmental bashing is just the legitimate cousin of democratic bashing, but please voice equally and multistakeholderly that there are a diversity of views. We know that NetMundial will not be able to provide dialogue, but more some sort of convergence (+1...) out of magic wonder, still it would to see some principles are respected when it comes to express the diversity of views.

Sorry for the ironic tone in that last sentence.

JC

Le 15 avr. 2014 à 15:02, michael gurstein a écrit :ung

> Congrats Nnenna,
>  
> Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest the following:
> 1.       A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the Common Good/in the Public Interest… I only see minor and off-handed references to this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a full-on commitment/re-commitment to this.  This is especially the case given the risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a “stakeholder” approach to Internet governance presents.
> 2.       Framing/reframing “multistakeholderism” as a useful element in policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place to ensure the probity and accountability of  these processes, within the context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase “multistakeholder dialogue in a democratic framework”.
> 3.       Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic) justice.  The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity and wealth distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the NetMundial document is extended to include the “Right to Development” needs also to address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the dominant issues of our time.
> 4.       Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple “capacity building” which ultimately can only enable the few, into designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and have those voices heard.
> Good luck with it.
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM
> To: Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso
> Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues
>  
> Dear all,
> 
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
> 
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
> 
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked.
> 
> 
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday.
> 
> Hope we can pull this off well.
> 
> All for now
> 
> Nnenna
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue Apr 15 10:29:20 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:59:20 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] multistakeholderism is democracy was
 Re: [] FW: US Is an O...
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On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>> MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could
>> have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing
>> after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after
>> tyranny, aristocracy, etc.)

You had in your email sought focussing on actual practices... Therefore 
you need to look at practices of MSism... It is indeed the next thing 
after democracy, and NOT democracy... MSism gives big business a veto on 
public policy making. This kind of thing is impossible to even mention 
in a democratic discourse.. But the same unmentionable has been dressed 
by employment of huge expenditure of resources in the respectable 
clothes if MSism.

Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing' 
model (1) gives veto power to big business and (2) such a thing is 
unattainable in democratic discourse and practice..

Now you may say that I am speaking about entirely imaginary models of 
MSism, and creatign strawmen of MSism...

Well, no..

On the BestBit list an elaborate model has been developed and presented, 
latest in response to the leaked NetMundial draft (did you also support 
this model?) which creates a multistakeholder screening mechanism for 
taking up any public policy issue.. Does this not give big business a 
veto on what matters can be taken for public policy treatment? Is this 
democratic?

Second, the NetMundial draft document seeks public policy making through 
consensus basis alone -  which is an multistakeholder consensus on equal 
footing...  It says that processes of governance have to be first be 
agreed by all stakeholders (keep reading business when I say 
stakeholders bec it is they for whom these models are fashioned)....

Now, is it democratic to give business (big business, no one asked my 
corner shop guy) such structural vetos over public policy making? What 
could be more democratic...

Since you said devil is in the details, lets talk about the detail and 
the devil... Lets talk specifics, and these above are the specifics of 
MSism...

parminder







> I am one who does argues that Multistakeholderism is not just another
> decision making process.
>
> I also do not claim in is the next big thing after democracy.  I argue
> that it is a form of democracy.  Multistakeholderism includes modalities
> of democratic organization as well as a variety of mechanisms.    It is
> a form of participatory democracy that builds upon the varieties of
> representational democracy that one finds in some countries and the
> various forms of self-organization that people in society uses to
> organize itself on issues of importance and brings them in the greater
> democratic mix.
>
> I do agree that there is not just one form of the multistakeholder
> model, but argue that there are attributes of Multistakeholderism as
> participatory democracy that are necessary.
>
> I too have yet to finish my self-promised work on multistakeholderism.
> Though I have written on this a bit.
>
> avri


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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue Apr 15 10:44:26 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:14:26 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] free flow of information @ Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:49 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
> SNIP
>
> I hope it represents progress.  How we moved on since Tunis -- just look at the statements about Human Rights. What chance of those being considered a few years ago. And much more.

Dont know what you are talking about. You sure have read WSIS docs, right?


>
> Everything could be better, but I am quite satisfied we are making progress.

There is no progress... It is going backwards, and steeply... BTW, do 
you think democracy is a human right, or it isnt... What is your comment 
on this human right not only being absent in the initial text but also 
not being included when a few HLC members asked for it. Will really like 
to know

parminder
>
> Please comment on the documents.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>> jeanette
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 10:55:03 2014
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:55:03 -0500
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] multistakeholderism is democracy
 was Re: [] FW: US Is an O...
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:29 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>>>
>>> MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could
>>> have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing

>
> Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing' model
> (1) gives veto power to big business


I disagree with this, yes.

In my experience in multiple MS processes, no one has a "veto".



-- 
Cheers,

McTim
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Apr 15 12:22:20 2014
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:22:20 +0900
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On Apr 15, 2014, at 11:44 PM, parminder wrote:

> 
> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:49 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>> SNIP
>> 
>> I hope it represents progress.  How we moved on since Tunis -- just look at the statements about Human Rights. What chance of those being considered a few years ago. And much more.
> 
> Dont know what you are talking about. You sure have read WSIS docs, right?
> 
> 

Thanks Parminder. 

The documents are open for comment.

Adam



>> 
>> Everything could be better, but I am quite satisfied we are making progress.
> 
> There is no progress... It is going backwards, and steeply... BTW, do you think democracy is a human right, or it isnt... What is your comment on this human right not only being absent in the initial text but also not being included when a few HLC members asked for it. Will really like to know
> 

> parminder
>> 
>> Please comment on the documents.
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Tue Apr 15 13:26:09 2014
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:26:09 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: NETmundial / European Commission to facilitate a
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Dear all,

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it>wrote:

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> In view of the forthcoming Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future
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> take place in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on 23-24 April 2014, the European
> Commission is organising an open conference call, with the purpose of
> sharing information among stakeholders.
>

Please note that a summary of the"information sharing" conference call on
NETmundial, which the European Commission hosted and chaired on 8.4.2014,
is now available at
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From anja at internetdemocracy.in  Tue Apr 15 14:34:22 2014
From: anja at internetdemocracy.in (Anja Kovacs)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 00:04:22 +0530
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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Congrats, Nnenna! This is very good news indeed.

Many good proposals have been made already. Following up on Anriette's
comments on multistakeholderism and trust, I would in particularly like to
support recommendations to not just mention the struggle of engaging with
multiple stakeholders etc, but also the urgent need for checks and
balances, including transparency and accountability, and appropriate action
where these standards are violated. It might be worthwhile to add that if
such efforts are not stepped up, support from multistakeholderism will
erode quickly as trust in the system will simply have disappeared.

Thank you for the opportunity to provide input and make proposals - much
appreciated.

Anja




On 15 April 2014 19:51, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <
jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:

> Congrats Nnenna!
>
> May I add to Mike excellent comments, one point?
>
> Nnenna, I am not sure if you will be there *intuitu personae, persona
> grata *or representing some, part, or all of Civil society entities (?!),
> but just in case you represent some of our thoughts and opinions, I think
> it would be nice to mention that among civil society there are people who
> disagree with the *equal stakeholder - equal rights - equal footing* thinking and narrative. Stakeholder voices might all be equal, meaning
> equally audible, but that amusing "equal footing" expression doesn't mean
> that these respectable voices are legitimate or representative of anything,
> anyone, and properly checked and balanced. So equal voices with different
> rights, that might be interesting to explore. But equal footing meaning
> equal rights among stakeholders, that jungle is right the opposite of
> Democracy, where corporations are still not invited to make the law, and
> participate and seat in parliaments on an equal footing. The *market*seating in the Congress, I wish never to see that in my life. It sounds
> like some kind of very un-democratic thing. I do remember that some
> comments on these lists where made about civil servants (and their so
> called legendary inability to work without other people holding the pencil
> for them, which I tend to think as very untrue), and I know that
> governmental bashing is just the legitimate cousin of democratic bashing,
> but please voice equally and multistakeholderly that there are a diversity
> of views. We know that NetMundial will not be able to provide dialogue, but
> more some sort of convergence (+1...) out of magic wonder, still it would
> to see some principles are respected when it comes to express the diversity
> of views.
>
> Sorry for the ironic tone in that last sentence.
>
> JC
>
> Le 15 avr. 2014 à 15:02, michael gurstein a écrit :ung
>
> Congrats Nnenna,
>
> Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest
> the following:
> 1.       A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the Common
> Good/in the Public Interest... I only see minor and off-handed references to
> this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a full-on
> commitment/re-commitment to this.  This is especially the case given the
> risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a "stakeholder" approach
> to Internet governance presents.
> 2.       Framing/reframing "multistakeholderism" as a useful element in
> policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place
> to ensure the probity and accountability of  these processes, within the
> context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase "multistakeholder
> dialogue in a democratic framework".
> 3.       Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic) justice.
> The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity and wealth
> distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the NetMundial
> document is extended to include the "Right to Development" needs also to
> address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the dominant
> issues of our time.
> 4.       Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the
> Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple
> "capacity building" which ultimately can only enable the few, into
> designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a
> useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and
> have those voices heard.
> Good luck with it.
>
> Mike
>
> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Nnenna Nwakanma
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM
> *To:* Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso
> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> major issues
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
> will be overlooked.
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
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From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net  Tue Apr 15 15:12:54 2014
From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:12:54 +0200
Subject: [governance] Government and innovation
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I think this is of interest, thanks to the New York Review of Books, specially for the usual government bashing multitude.

Innovation and the Government
Jeff Madrick
A new book makes a forceful case for the value and competence of government itself, and for its ability to do what the private sector simply cannot.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/apr/24/innovation-government-was-crucial-after-all/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=April+15+2014&utm_content=April+15+2014+CID_8a397ba65c247c05c90bf915a78ff13b&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=Innovation%20and%20the%20Government
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From ekenyanito at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 15:17:22 2014
From: ekenyanito at gmail.com (Ephraim Percy Kenyanito)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:17:22 +0300
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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+1 on Anja's conments.

Best,

Ephraim Percy Kenyanito
On Apr 15, 2014 9:34 PM, "Anja Kovacs" <anja at internetdemocracy.in> wrote:

> Congrats, Nnenna! This is very good news indeed.
>
> Many good proposals have been made already. Following up on Anriette's
> comments on multistakeholderism and trust, I would in particularly like to
> support recommendations to not just mention the struggle of engaging with
> multiple stakeholders etc, but also the urgent need for checks and
> balances, including transparency and accountability, and appropriate action
> where these standards are violated. It might be worthwhile to add that if
> such efforts are not stepped up, support from multistakeholderism will
> erode quickly as trust in the system will simply have disappeared.
>
> Thank you for the opportunity to provide input and make proposals - much
> appreciated.
>
> Anja
>
>
>
>
> On 15 April 2014 19:51, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <
> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
>
>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>
>> May I add to Mike excellent comments, one point?
>>
>> Nnenna, I am not sure if you will be there *intuitu personae, persona
>> grata *or representing some, part, or all of Civil society entities
>> (?!), but just in case you represent some of our thoughts and opinions, I
>> think it would be nice to mention that among civil society there are people
>> who disagree with the *equal stakeholder - equal rights - equal footing* thinking and narrative. Stakeholder voices might all be equal, meaning
>> equally audible, but that amusing "equal footing" expression doesn't mean
>> that these respectable voices are legitimate or representative of anything,
>> anyone, and properly checked and balanced. So equal voices with different
>> rights, that might be interesting to explore. But equal footing meaning
>> equal rights among stakeholders, that jungle is right the opposite of
>> Democracy, where corporations are still not invited to make the law, and
>> participate and seat in parliaments on an equal footing. The *market*seating in the Congress, I wish never to see that in my life. It sounds
>> like some kind of very un-democratic thing. I do remember that some
>> comments on these lists where made about civil servants (and their so
>> called legendary inability to work without other people holding the pencil
>> for them, which I tend to think as very untrue), and I know that
>> governmental bashing is just the legitimate cousin of democratic bashing,
>> but please voice equally and multistakeholderly that there are a diversity
>> of views. We know that NetMundial will not be able to provide dialogue, but
>> more some sort of convergence (+1...) out of magic wonder, still it would
>> to see some principles are respected when it comes to express the diversity
>> of views.
>>
>> Sorry for the ironic tone in that last sentence.
>>
>> JC
>>
>> Le 15 avr. 2014 à 15:02, michael gurstein a écrit :ung
>>
>> Congrats Nnenna,
>>
>> Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest
>> the following:
>> 1.       A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the
>> Common Good/in the Public Interest… I only see minor and off-handed
>> references to this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a
>> full-on commitment/re-commitment to this.  This is especially the case
>> given the risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a “stakeholder”
>> approach to Internet governance presents.
>> 2.       Framing/reframing “multistakeholderism” as a useful element in
>> policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place
>> to ensure the probity and accountability of  these processes, within the
>> context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase “multistakeholder
>> dialogue in a democratic framework”.
>> 3.       Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic)
>> justice.  The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity
>> and wealth distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the
>> NetMundial document is extended to include the “Right to Development” needs
>> also to address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the
>> dominant issues of our time.
>> 4.       Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the
>> Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple
>> “capacity building” which ultimately can only enable the few, into
>> designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a
>> useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and
>> have those voices heard.
>>  Good luck with it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Nnenna Nwakanma
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM
>> *To:* Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso
>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>> major issues
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me
>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one
>> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>
>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>
>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into
>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues
>> will be overlooked.
>>
>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>
>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>> All for now
>>
>> Nnenna
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From pouzin at well.com  Tue Apr 15 16:21:28 2014
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:21:28 +0200
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS.

some bits
- linguistic diversity
- translation in workshop sessions
- funding for LDC delegates in international events
- protection of traditional knowledge
- affordable medicine
- free educational material
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Tue Apr 15 16:25:23 2014
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 06:25:23 +1000
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together

From: Louis Pouzin (well) 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM
To: Nnenna Nwakanma 
Cc: Best Bits ; mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS.


some bits

- linguistic diversity

- translation in workshop sessions

- funding for LDC delegates in international events

- protection of traditional knowledge

- affordable medicine

- free educational material
.

Louis




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From joana at varonferraz.com  Wed Apr 16 01:45:05 2014
From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 02:45:05 -0300
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly
changing the geopolitics!

Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma!
+1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that kept
coming in this thread with some additions:

- Surveillance and the right to privacy

- digital divide is still an issue

- net neutrality shall be reinforced

- IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and
inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced

- multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic
participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence
within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency,
accountability and eventually sanctions

- we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing
parts of the world  (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be
able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the
outcome)

- need for capacity building

and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the
web we want, is the web we trust.

;)




On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>   and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together
>
>  *From:* Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM
> *To:* Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Best Bits <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> ;
> mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at
> Netmundial - Civil Society major issues
>
>     Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS.
>
> some bits
> - linguistic diversity
> - translation in workshop sessions
> - funding for LDC delegates in international events
> - protection of traditional knowledge
> - affordable medicine
> - free educational material
> .
> Louis
>
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From joana at varonferraz.com  Wed Apr 16 01:48:19 2014
From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 02:48:19 -0300
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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would also mention the need to come up with some sort of coordination
mechanism for addressing the gaps on IG policies...
rock it!


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:

> Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly
> changing the geopolitics!
>
> Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma!
> +1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that
> kept coming in this thread with some additions:
>
> - Surveillance and the right to privacy
>
> - digital divide is still an issue
>
> - net neutrality shall be reinforced
>
> - IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and
> inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced
>
> - multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic
> participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence
> within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency,
> accountability and eventually sanctions
>
> - we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing
> parts of the world  (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be
> able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the
> outcome)
>
> - need for capacity building
>
> and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the
> web we want, is the web we trust.
>
> ;)
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>>   and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together
>>
>>  *From:* Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM
>> *To:* Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Best Bits <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> ;
>> mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at
>> Netmundial - Civil Society major issues
>>
>>     Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS.
>>
>> some bits
>> - linguistic diversity
>> - translation in workshop sessions
>> - funding for LDC delegates in international events
>> - protection of traditional knowledge
>> - affordable medicine
>> - free educational material
>> .
>> Louis
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Wed Apr 16 04:25:30 2014
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:25:30 +1000
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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I like Anne’s suggestion. I definitely think that a percentage of ICANN revenue (aka taxes) should be set aside for such purposes. 

As regards common good/ public utility; I am very interested to see what others think. I am reminded of the Macbride description of mass media as “a tool for the development of humankind”, and also of the various arguments (Bob Franklin and others) that we should treat Internet as we do footpaths, roads, etc – available to all to use and not restricted on the grounds of affordability. 

As yet, I dont think the internet is a common good or a public utility. Perhaps it should be; an interesting question is what will need to happen before it is a common good or a public utility.

Ian Peter

From: Anne Jellema 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:56 PM
To: Joana Varon 
Cc: Ian Peter ; Louis Pouzin (well) ; Nnenna Nwakanma ; Best Bits ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

Hi all 
Resource issues have been mentioned several times in proposals for Nnenna's speech:

- Access issues, closing the digital divide(s)
- Resources needed for civil society to play its part in IG processes on a more equal footing with other 'stakeholders'
- Resources needed for the IGF to function well 

I strongly agree that these issues need to be raised. I think we will be most effective if we also put forward proposals for acting on them. 

I wonder if we want to suggest that a portion of domain name revenue should be set aside in a public benefit fund to help close the above resource gaps. Clearly the design and governance of such a fund would be incredibly hard to get right. But at this stage, it's a matter of pushing for a broad principle: i.e. that a part of the hundreds of millions raised every year in domain name fees (ICANN alone will earn $200m in 2014, according to their 2014 budget statement) should be reinvested in public benefit efforts that would contribute to achieving the admirable rights and principles listed in the outcome document.


Additionally, in tackling the first point (access/digital divide), is there broad consensus among us that the internet should be considered a common good and/or a public utility?

Best
Anne








On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:

  Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly changing the geopolitics! 

  Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma! 


  +1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that kept coming in this thread with some additions:

  - Surveillance and the right to privacy

  - digital divide is still an issue

  - net neutrality shall be reinforced

  - IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced

  - multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency, accountability and eventually sanctions

  - we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing parts of the world  (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the outcome)

  - need for capacity building

  and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the web we want, is the web we trust. 

  ;)






  On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

    and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together

    From: Louis Pouzin (well) 
    Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM
    To: Nnenna Nwakanma 
    Cc: Best Bits ; mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
    Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

    Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS.


    some bits

    - linguistic diversity

    - translation in workshop sessions

    - funding for LDC delegates in international events

    - protection of traditional knowledge

    - affordable medicine

    - free educational material
    .

    Louis



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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Apr 16 06:08:46 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:38:46 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil
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And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and 
public standards' which was in the initial draft......

I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document 
that has been put for public comments..

Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard 
anyone present it.

This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward 
to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document.

parminder


On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco 
> Civil; it is not here in this document...
>
> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically 
> removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to 
> convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>
> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' 
> which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed 
> from both places..
>
> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has 
> been removed..
>
> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
>
> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>
> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to 
> address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home 
> has been greatly diluted...
>
> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make 
> sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere 
> with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
>
> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big 
> business or the US gov...
>
> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the 
> European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 
> 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet 
> governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
>
> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of 
> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the 
> changes in the document clearly show.
>
> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked 
> documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet 
> as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>
> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this 
> document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 
> places it says multi-stakeholder....
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>> please re-read.
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all
>>>>
>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>> MF
>>>>
>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>
>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma<mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Governance<mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>  ;
>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>> south africa
>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
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>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
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From kichango at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 07:13:42 2014
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:13:42 +0000
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] multistakeholderism is democracy was
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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
 wrote:

>
> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:07 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>
>
> SNIP
>
>
> . So democracy as a concept cannot be frozen into the practice of voting
> as we know it today (one person, one vote) in the sole context of
> nation-sates.
>
>
> It may not be frozen into the practice of voting-- there is a huge amount
> of literature and practice of participatory democracy that says exactly
> that.. But, can we freeze in not having a vote for corporates - in fact
> multiple and exclusive votes, where ordinary people do not have votes...
> That is MS decision making...
>

By that sentence plus the phrase that says MSism may be more, or less,
democratic --as indeed the gist of a good chunk of my message-- I was in
fact addressing the party that reacts against any reference to democracy in
the Ig context (as seems to be the case with Milton reacting to EC's Neelie
Kroes' blog post on the NETmundial outcome draft document.)

So don't get me wrong: I am not satisfied with everything about MSism
although I remain open to the fact that some implementation(s) of it may
work well in some setting(s). And as I have suggested, I can't even
effectively compare Democracy and Multi-stakeholderism because, as I said,
it seems to me we're conflating different levels of analysis (it's even
worse when one thinks Democracy is something that is necessarily confined
within nation-state boundaries for government affairs.) Furthermore, the
simple word "democracy" (the rule of the people) tells me a good deal about
the intent, goal and set of values being in play, while the simple word
"multistakeholderism" only tells me that multiple stakeholders are
involved. It doesn't even say "multi-stakeholder-cracy" and it's much
easier for so many people around the world to understand the notion of "the
people" than it is for us here to even agree on what constitutes
"stakeholder" (let alone for people at large to understand what it is.)

And for those who think they can effectively compare MSism with Democracy
(putting them on the same plane of analysis), I would like someone to tell
me (indeed demonstrate) how you're going to use MSism to elect the US
President and members of Congress -- in a way that will convince American
people that this will better serve their interests as opposed to what they
have right now.

Further on that line of reflection, one might wonder what are those state
Republicans (still in the US) intent on vote suppression or making it
harder to some people to vote at elections up to? And what about all the
gerrymandering of the districts? Are they being less democratic in a
democracy, or more democratic? Are they having their own version of MSism?
(I'm asking this not to be provocative but because it was my impression
that some people see any reference to voting, equated with Democracy, as
something counter to MSism.) And if they're just messing around for pure
political/election gains (IOW, making "rational choices") what would be the
(principled?) response of Democracy to that and what would be MSism's?

[Again, the boundaries for the questions in the above 2 paragraphs to make
sense, in my view, are delineated by the thinking that assumes both models
are comparable in such a way that one can be said to be better than and to
supersede the other.]

>
>
> Why do we need to go beyond participatory democracy as the means of
> fulfilling the ideal of democracy and rather jump to MSism which is simply
> not democratic in a thousand way.....
>

On the other hand, could you please elaborate on how you would concretely
apply participatory democracy to decision-making about the Internet and all
what we're referring to as its governance? Sorry if you've done this
elsewhere and I haven't read it. Otherwise, my sense is that all your
criticism is being construed as advocacy for intergovernmental mode of
governance, notably though traditional treaty-making.

I don't have answers to all the questions. I still have a lot of thinking
to do and a lot to learn. But those are the things I can say so far
regarding the question of MSism and Democracy. Democracy is much older and
has delivered many goods, and I don't think anybody can say (nor do I think
anybody is saying) it's time to throw that away. MSism is much younger (in
its infancy) and still needs to prove itself in the eyes of countless
number of people. However, I don't think one can replace the other because
I see them conceptually and to some extent operationally at different
levels. That's why I can conceive of a MSism instance that is less
democratic, even anti-democratic, as well as I can conceive of one that is
more democratic or maybe even enhancing Democracy in an already existing
form. It will all depend on the specifics on the implementation at hand:
the setting, what is in a "stakeholder" and how do they impact the
decision-making process, to mention the most obvious ones.



On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote:
> > MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could
> > have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing
> > after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after
> > tyranny, aristocracy, etc.)
>
> I am one who does argues that Multistakeholderism is not just another
> decision making process.
>
> I also do not claim in is the next big thing after democracy.  I argue
> that it is a form of democracy.


I cannot fundamentally disagree with that but I might say it
differently: Multistakeholderism may be a form of exercise of democracy.
For it to be effectively so, we would need (as I mention above) consensus
on who are the stakeholders (or even what is a stakeholder) and how do they
impact decisions, etc. Are all the conditions in place for everyone to have
equal chance to participate and influence the outcome, if they're so
inclined? It is those details that will make MSism a form of Democracy or
not.


> <snip>.
>
> I do agree that there is not just one form of the multistakeholder
> model, but argue that there are attributes of Multistakeholderism as
> participatory democracy that are necessary.
>

Do you think we could initiate collaborative work with the aim to put
together a table which will include those attributes as well as the points
of criticism?


>

>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>>>
>>>> MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could
>>>> have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing
>>>> after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after
>>>> tyranny, aristocracy, etc.)
>>>>
>>>
>> You had in your email sought focussing on actual practices... Therefore
>> you need to look at practices of MSism... It is indeed the next thing after
>> democracy, and NOT democracy... MSism gives big business a veto on public
>> policy making. This kind of thing is impossible to even mention in a
>> democratic discourse.. But the same unmentionable has been dressed by
>> employment of huge expenditure of resources in the respectable clothes if
>> MSism.
>>
>> Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing'
>> model (1) gives veto power to big business and (2) such a thing is
>> unattainable in democratic discourse and practice..
>>
>
I agree with (2). I haven't seen a formal veto power accorded to any
stakeholder group but in some instances there is de facto something
bordering a veto. Based on my experience with the GNSO Council at ICANN,
particularly with the WHOIS policy debate. It seemed that business would
push for yet another task force, and yet another working group, etc. until
they get what they wanted (and the system allowed for that kind of
manoeuvre.) The issue was so contentious we had to take a vote and their
party lost. Their refusal to take a No for an answer led the Chair to
accept, at the Marrakesh meeting (2006? or 07) the request that those who
voted for the definition of Whois that won the vote to explain their...
vote. I'm sure he meant it to be a kind of pedagogical engagement with the
public at large. But think about that: you have to publicly declare your
vote and explain it on the request of people who reject the result (and
only those who voted for that result were asked to do that, obviously
because of what they voted for.) I objected and declined. It made me feel
like I was a character in a novel by Milan Kundera in which the setting is
the old (pre-Vaclav Havel) Czechoslovakia -- The Joke (La Plaisanterie).

That was my closest encounter with MSism ;) but it has been years now and I
want to believe things didn't stay that way (so I don't mean the above as a
wholesale characterization.) Or at least we can contribute to shaping them
in a better direction (though I must say the way you describe what has been
happening to the NETmundial draft document is alarming.)

Mawaki


>
>> Now you may say that I am speaking about entirely imaginary models of
>> MSism, and creatign strawmen of MSism...
>>
>> Well, no..
>>
>> On the BestBit list an elaborate model has been developed and presented,
>> latest in response to the leaked NetMundial draft (did you also support
>> this model?) which creates a multistakeholder screening mechanism for
>> taking up any public policy issue.. Does this not give big business a veto
>> on what matters can be taken for public policy treatment? Is this
>> democratic?
>>
>> Second, the NetMundial draft document seeks public policy making through
>> consensus basis alone -  which is an multistakeholder consensus on equal
>> footing...  It says that processes of governance have to be first be agreed
>> by all stakeholders (keep reading business when I say stakeholders bec it
>> is they for whom these models are fashioned)....
>>
>> Now, is it democratic to give business (big business, no one asked my
>> corner shop guy) such structural vetos over public policy making? What
>> could be more democratic...
>>
>> Since you said devil is in the details, lets talk about the detail and
>> the devil... Lets talk specifics, and these above are the specifics of
>> MSism...
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From anriette at apc.org  Wed Apr 16 11:25:38 2014
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 17:25:38 +0200
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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Agree with Parminder.

We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just
all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do
collaborative submissions?

But I would not blame big business Parminder.

Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are
also problematic from a public-interest perspective.

Anriette


On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>
> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and
> public standards' which was in the initial draft......
>
> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document
> that has been put for public comments..
>
> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not
> heard anyone present it.
>
> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward
> to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document.
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>> Carlos,
>>
>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco
>> Civil; it is not here in this document...
>>
>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically
>> removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to
>> convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>>
>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information'
>> which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed
>> from both places..
>>
>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has
>> been removed..
>>
>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been
>> removed...
>>
>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>>
>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to
>> address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home
>> has been greatly diluted...
>>
>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make
>> sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially
>> interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass
>> through...
>>
>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to
>> big business or the US gov...
>>
>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the
>> European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term
>> 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of
>> Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not
>> accepted...
>>
>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of
>> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the
>> changes in the document clearly show.
>>
>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked
>> documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet
>> as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>>
>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this
>> document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500
>> places it says multi-stakeholder....
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>>> please re-read.
>>>
>>> --c.a.
>>>
>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>> MF
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ;
>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>>> south africa
>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin
>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
>>>>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>> @GloComm
>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm
>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/
>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>>>> @netrights
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 11:37:00 2014
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:37:00 -0400
Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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Dear Joana,
What a great slogan!
I'd suggest one small addition -
The web we want is the web we *can* trust
Deirdre


On 16 April 2014 01:45, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:

> Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly
> changing the geopolitics!
>
> Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma!
> +1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that
> kept coming in this thread with some additions:
>
> - Surveillance and the right to privacy
>
> - digital divide is still an issue
>
> - net neutrality shall be reinforced
>
> - IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and
> inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced
>
> - multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic
> participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence
> within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency,
> accountability and eventually sanctions
>
> - we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing
> parts of the world  (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be
> able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the
> outcome)
>
> - need for capacity building
>
> and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the
> web we want, is the web we trust.
>
> ;)
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>>   and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together
>>
>>  *From:* Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM
>> *To:* Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Best Bits <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> ;
>> mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at
>> Netmundial - Civil Society major issues
>>
>>     Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS.
>>
>> some bits
>> - linguistic diversity
>> - translation in workshop sessions
>> - funding for LDC delegates in international events
>> - protection of traditional knowledge
>> - affordable medicine
>> - free educational material
>> .
>> Louis
>>
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>
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Wed Apr 16 11:46:31 2014
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:46:31 +0900
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
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what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"?  Does the word public add clarity?  Does it tell us something otherwise missing?

Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) 

The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is:

Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation.

(25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/)

Is this weak? How can it be improved?  6 comments so far, are they helpful?

Adam (in my individual capacity) 


On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:

> Agree with Parminder.
> 
> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions?
> 
> But I would not blame big business Parminder.
> 
> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> 
> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>> 
>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft......
>> 
>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments..
>> 
>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it.
>> 
>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. 
>> 
>> parminder
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>>> Carlos,
>>> 
>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document...
>>> 
>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>>> 
>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places..
>>> 
>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed..
>>> 
>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
>>> 
>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>>> 
>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted...
>>> 
>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
>>> 
>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov...
>>> 
>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
>>> 
>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. 
>>> 
>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>>> 
>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder....
>>> 
>>> parminder 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>>>> please re-read.
>>>> 
>>>> --c.a.
>>>> 
>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <
>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> MF
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>  ;
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen 
>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>>>> south africa
>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin
>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @GloComm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm
>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/
>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @netrights
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>     
>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>     
>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> anriette esterhuysen 
> anriette at apc.org
> 
> executive director, association for progressive communications
> 
> www.apc.org
> 
> po box 29755, melville 2109
> south africa
> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>     bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Apr 16 12:02:10 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:32:10 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org>
References: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com> <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org>
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On Wednesday 16 April 2014 08:55 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> Agree with Parminder.
>
> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just 
> all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do 
> collaborative submissions?

Anriette

I am happy to join any credible strategy others come up with. Right now 
ITfC and partners are thinking about our response.
>
> But I would not blame big business Parminder.
>
> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are 
> also problematic from a public-interest perspective.
>

In case of such inter-gov processes, civil society openly names and 
criticizes those who are responsible for non-inclusion or exclusion of 
public -interest text. we never shy away from it... Whether it is Saudi 
Arabia and China, or the US or EU - I have seen this everywhere, in WIPO 
discussions on access to knowledge for the disabled, in human right 
resolutions, in WTO negotiations on food grain subsidies, in climate 
talks about concrete targets and so on.. Civil society uses naming and 
shaming as a regular tactic. Why should we be shy to name 'bad actors' 
in the present case, What is the basis of cultivating any special 
relationship with big business based on non-criticism or anything.

Here, most exclusions, net neutrality, pulbicness of standards, free 
flow of information (as per my understanding), weakening of provision on 
access for disabled, not accepting HLM members suggestion to include 
'democratic' have happened on big business' behest, largely, although 
there are other key omissions caused by the one country most opposed to 
global measures against surveillance and cyber weapon control..

So, I dont understand why should I not blame big business when they re 
to be blamed? I find no reason. Well, I know they can play a big role in 
top civil society selections - like they did with the CS co chair of 
NetMundial - but thanks, I am not interested.

parminder


> Anriette
>
>
> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>>
>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and 
>> public standards' which was in the initial draft......
>>
>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome 
>> document that has been put for public comments..
>>
>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not 
>> heard anyone present it.
>>
>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much 
>> forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome 
>> document.
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>>> Carlos,
>>>
>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco 
>>> Civil; it is not here in this document...
>>>
>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically 
>>> removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to 
>>> convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>>>
>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' 
>>> which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed 
>>> from both places..
>>>
>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has 
>>> been removed..
>>>
>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been 
>>> removed...
>>>
>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>>>
>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to 
>>> address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home 
>>> has been greatly diluted...
>>>
>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make 
>>> sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially 
>>> interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass 
>>> through...
>>>
>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to 
>>> big business or the US gov...
>>>
>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the 
>>> European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 
>>> 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of 
>>> Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not 
>>> accepted...
>>>
>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of 
>>> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the 
>>> changes in the document clearly show.
>>>
>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked 
>>> documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet 
>>> as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>>>
>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this 
>>> document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 
>>> places it says multi-stakeholder....
>>>
>>> parminder
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>>>> please re-read.
>>>>
>>>> --c.a.
>>>>
>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> MF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma<mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance<mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>  ;
>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysenanriette at apc.org
>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>>>> south africa
>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin
>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
>>>>>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>> @GloComm
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm
>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/
>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>>>>> @netrights
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net  <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>
>>
>
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> anriette esterhuysenanriette at apc.org
> executive director, association for progressive communications
> www.apc.org
> po box 29755, melville 2109
> south africa
> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692

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From ca at cafonso.ca  Wed Apr 16 12:07:46 2014
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:07:46 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org>
References: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com> <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org>
Message-ID: <534EAAD2.5040508@cafonso.ca>

Dear Anri, "collaborative submissions" not inserted in the comments
space will not work at this point. Use the comments, and please recall
the deadline for them is April 21st.

fraternal regards

--c.a.

On 04/16/2014 12:25 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> Agree with Parminder.
> 
> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just
> all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do
> collaborative submissions?
> 
> But I would not blame big business Parminder.
> 
> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are
> also problematic from a public-interest perspective.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> 
> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>>
>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and
>> public standards' which was in the initial draft......
>>
>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document
>> that has been put for public comments..
>>
>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not
>> heard anyone present it.
>>
>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward
>> to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document.
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>>> Carlos,
>>>
>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco
>>> Civil; it is not here in this document...
>>>
>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically
>>> removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to
>>> convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>>>
>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information'
>>> which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed
>>> from both places..
>>>
>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has
>>> been removed..
>>>
>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been
>>> removed...
>>>
>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>>>
>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to
>>> address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home
>>> has been greatly diluted...
>>>
>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make
>>> sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially
>>> interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass
>>> through...
>>>
>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to
>>> big business or the US gov...
>>>
>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the
>>> European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term
>>> 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of
>>> Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not
>>> accepted...
>>>
>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of
>>> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the
>>> changes in the document clearly show.
>>>
>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked
>>> documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet
>>> as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>>>
>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this
>>> document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500
>>> places it says multi-stakeholder....
>>>
>>> parminder
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>>>> please re-read.
>>>>
>>>> --c.a.
>>>>
>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> MF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ;
>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>>>> south africa
>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin
>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
>>>>>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>> @GloComm
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm
>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/
>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>>>>> @netrights
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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> -- 
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> executive director, association for progressive communications
> www.apc.org
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> south africa
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Wed Apr 16 12:10:44 2014
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:10:44 -0300
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <C19409AE-9015-4DFA-ADD1-BA13AD6AB436@glocom.ac.jp>
References: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com> <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> <C19409AE-9015-4DFA-ADD1-BA13AD6AB436@glocom.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <534EAB84.9090309@cafonso.ca>

Excellent, objective comments, Adam.

--c.a.


On 04/16/2014 12:46 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
> what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"?  Does the word public add clarity?  Does it tell us something otherwise missing?
> 
> Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) 
> 
> The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is:
> 
> Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation.
> 
> (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/)
> 
> Is this weak? How can it be improved?  6 comments so far, are they helpful?
> 
> Adam (in my individual capacity) 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> 
>> Agree with Parminder.
>>
>> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions?
>>
>> But I would not blame big business Parminder.
>>
>> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>>>
>>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft......
>>>
>>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments..
>>>
>>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it.
>>>
>>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. 
>>>
>>> parminder
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>>>> Carlos,
>>>>
>>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document...
>>>>
>>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>>>>
>>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places..
>>>>
>>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed..
>>>>
>>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
>>>>
>>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>>>>
>>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted...
>>>>
>>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
>>>>
>>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov...
>>>>
>>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
>>>>
>>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. 
>>>>
>>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>>>>
>>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder....
>>>>
>>>> parminder 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>>>>> please re-read.
>>>>>
>>>>> --c.a.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>>>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <
>>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>>>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> MF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>  ;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen 
>>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>>>>> south africa
>>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin
>>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @GloComm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm
>>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/
>>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @netrights
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> anriette esterhuysen 
>> anriette at apc.org
>>
>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>
>> www.apc.org
>>
>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>> south africa
>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Wed Apr 16 12:10:21 2014
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:40:21 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
In-Reply-To: <C19409AE-9015-4DFA-ADD1-BA13AD6AB436@glocom.ac.jp>
References: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com> <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> <C19409AE-9015-4DFA-ADD1-BA13AD6AB436@glocom.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <534EAB6D.70901@itforchange.net>


On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
> what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"?  Does the word public add clarity?  Does it tell us something otherwise missing?

If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer 
your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just 
and Equitable Internet' (enclosed)

"An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open 
and public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable 
implementation by anyone in any type of software, including Free and 
Open Source Software (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital 
standards must be stemmed and measures must be introduced to ensure that 
standards are publicly owned, freely accessible and implementable. "

I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further.

No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 
'public standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course 
written much earlier.

parminder


>
> Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...)
>
> The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is:
>
> Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation.
>
> (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/)
>
> Is this weak? How can it be improved?  6 comments so far, are they helpful?
>
> Adam (in my individual capacity)
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>
>> Agree with Parminder.
>>
>> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions?
>>
>> But I would not blame big business Parminder.
>>
>> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft......
>>>
>>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments..
>>>
>>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it.
>>>
>>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document.
>>>
>>> parminder
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>>>> Carlos,
>>>>
>>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document...
>>>>
>>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>>>>
>>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places..
>>>>
>>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed..
>>>>
>>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
>>>>
>>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>>>>
>>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted...
>>>>
>>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
>>>>
>>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov...
>>>>
>>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
>>>>
>>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>>>>
>>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder....
>>>>
>>>> parminder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>>>>> please re-read.
>>>>>
>>>>> --c.a.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>>>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <
>>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>>>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>> MF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>   ;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen
>>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>>>>> south africa
>>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin
>>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @GloComm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm
>>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/
>>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @netrights
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>> -- 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> anriette esterhuysen
>> anriette at apc.org
>>
>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>
>> www.apc.org
>>
>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>> south africa
>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Wed Apr 16 13:37:47 2014
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:37:47 +0200
Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: let's get to work
Message-ID: <CAOLD2+Z5Wiyt0OFguTsJ2LVw4R7bu_wA5f1S=e=MMKBAT9wzbA@mail.gmail.com>

[ Apologies if you receive this message multiple times ]

Dear all,

Concerning the forthcoming Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of
Internet Governance (NETmundial) which will take place in Sao Paulo
(Brazil) on 23-24 April 2014, you might be interested to read the latest
blog post of Neelie Kroes, Vice-President of the European Commission and
member of the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee of NETmundial,
available at
https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/netmundial-lets-get-workand
reproduced below.



+++


NETmundial: let's get to work

Published by Neelie
KROES<https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/users/neelie-kroes>on
Wednesday, 16/04/2014

I will soon be travelling to Sao Paulo to attend NETmundial, the
Multi-stakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet
Governance<http://netmundial.br/>.
The purpose of NETmundial is to develop principles of Internet governance
and a roadmap for the future development of this ecosystem.

I have already shared<http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governance>with
all of you my thoughts on the draft "outcome document" that I and
other members of the High-Level Multi-stakeholder Committee of
NETmundial<http://netmundial.br/hlmc/>received on 3 April 2014. In the
meantime, the organisers of the conference
have published a new version of the outcome
document<http://document.netmundial.br/>and are inviting everyone to
send
their views and comments <http://document.netmundial.br/> – I warmly invite
all of you to do so.

I did so, too; I have sent an email to the
members<http://netmundial.br/hlmc/>of the High Level Multi-stakeholder
Committee, to the Chair
of the Meeting <http://netmundial.br/chair-of-the-meeting/> (Prof. Virgilio
Almeida) and to the two co-chairs of the Executive Meeting
Committee<http://netmundial.br/emc/>,
Raul Echeberria and Demi Getschko.

Again, in a spirit of transparency, I would like to share the contents of
this message with the broader Internet community.... so please read my
letter below.

*From: KROES Neelie (CAB-KROES)*
*Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 7:26 PM*
*To: 'hlmc at netmundial.br <hlmc at netmundial.br>'*
*Subject: Proposals for the NETmundial outcome document*



Dear colleagues,

I am pleased to see that the draft outcome document for NETmundial has been
published and that the broader public has now the possibility to intervene
in the discussion, before we all meet in Sao Paulo next week. Again, I
would like to thank all the members of the Executive Multistakeholder
Committee, as well as the Chair and the Co-Chairs of the meeting, for their
tireless work.

As a follow-up to the
comments<http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governance>which
I have already shared with you, I would like to make some further
observations. In the same spirit of transparency as my previous
communication, I am also posting a copy of this e-mail on my
blog<http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/blog>
.

I continue to strongly believe that the outcomes of NETmundial must be
concrete and actionable, with clear milestones and with a realistic but
ambitious timeline. Several reactions to my comments show that I am not
alone in thinking that concreteness is paramount to the success of this
important gathering; and even though positions on substance may well
differ, I believe that my assessment on the necessity of a "change of pace"
in these discussions is shared by a broad range of stakeholders.

Read in this light, it is clear me that more work is needed on the latest
draft; especially if we consider that a number of public contributions
submitted to NETmundial did include concrete and actionable suggestions.

Luckily, several passages of the draft outcome document do lend themselves
quite well to being turned into more concrete actions – and we should make
full use of this opportunity. I will focus on six specific examples:

   1. Improvements to the multi-stakeholder model
   2. Strengthening the Internet Governance Forum
   3. Tools and mechanisms for better information sharing and capacity
   building
   4. Globalisation of IANA
   5. Globalisation of ICANN
   6. Jurisdictional issues on the Internet

*(1) Improvements to the multi-stakeholder model*

The draft outcome document refers several times to the need to *further
improve and strengthen the multi-stakeholder model*, to enable the full and
balanced participation of all stakeholders from around the globe, to have
clear and transparent processes and procedures (including mechanisms for
checks and balances and for review). I completely agree – in fact, I have
said so for a long time.

The keywords here are inclusiveness and openness, which must both be real
and meaningful, not just theoretical.

NETmundial should be the moment to properly connect the debates on Internet
governance with the discussions and concrete activities on citizens'
engagement and participatory democracy. Europe has been quite active in
this field, ranging from EU-funded projects in the ICT field, such as
DEMO-NET <http://participedia.net/en/organizations/demo-net>, Cross
Over<http://crossover-project.eu/>and
D-CENT <http://dcentproject.eu/>; to legal innovations such as the European
Citizens Initiative; to national initiatives such as the use of Liquid
Democracy in the Germany and the People's Assembly
Rahvakogu<https://www.rahvakogu.ee/pages/what-is-rahvakogu>in Estonia,
to name just a few. Brazil, with the inclusive and
participatory conception and discussions on the "Marco Civil", is also an
inspiration for all of us. And it is purely for reasons of space that I
cannot mention all the efforts by many organisations and individuals across
the world.

In its Communication on Internet Policy and
Governance<http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52014DC0072>of
12 February 2014, the European Commission suggested that the *further
development of multistakeholder guidelines and the sharing of best
practices* would be a good manner to move forward. Accordingly, *I suggest
that the outcomes of NETmundial should include*:

   - a clear commitment to the *bottom-up and cooperative* development of a
   "concept paper" to be discussed at the 9th Internet Governance Forum
   (Istanbul, Turkey, *2-5 September 2014*);
   - this concept paper should identify initial recommendations on how the
   above mentioned engagement and participatory tools and initiatives could be
   used in Internet governance debates; it should also propose an initial
   outline of principles-based guidelines to safeguard accountability,
   transparency, inclusiveness and independence for multi-stakeholder
   processes;
   - the discussions in Istanbul and all other appropriate fora should
   lead, by the *beginning of 2015*, to a proposal for two "case studies",
   to examine how we could turn the high-level principles into concrete,
   operational practices of existing Internet governance organisations and
   processes;
   - further discussions and practical experimentation on these cases
   studies could then result in a *concrete reference paper* to be
   presented and discussed at the 10th Internet Governance Forum, towards
   the *end of 2015* – and of course, to be further refined as need be.

*(2) Strengthening the Internet Governance Forum*

I referred multiple times to the *Internet Governance Forum* or IGF. The
draft outcome document of NETmundial clearly mentions the need for
strengthening and improving this most important and unique example of
global and multi-stakeholder engagement and dialogue.

I agree that such improvements should include an extension of the IGF
mandate beyond its usual 5-years cycle, without prejudice to any possible
adaptation of such mandate as the global community will see fit; I also
agree that ensuring stable and predictable funding for the IGF is
absolutely essential.

I reiterate my invitation for everyone, but especially those organisations
which have greatly benefited from the Internet, to become a donor to the
IGF – like the EU, some of its Member States and others from the public and
private sector. I believe that NETmundial should also make a clear
reference, and if possible provide some practical examples, on how
innovative forms of crowd-funding could contribute to this joint effort.

The other improvements mentioned in the draft outcome document, namely the
need to implement creative ways of providing outcomes / recommendations and
the analysis of policy options, and to promote inter-sessional dialogues
between the yearly gatherings of the IGF, are also essential and, in my
view, closely linked to the need to better connect to existing experiences,
expertise and practical tools for inclusive engagement, that I highlighted
above.

On this basis, *I propose that the NETmundial outcome document should ask
the Multistakeholder Advisory Group to present to the global community a
clear and realistic assessment of how and when, in their view, these
recommendations could be concretely implemented*, at the 9th Internet
Governance Forum in *September 2014*. Members of the MAG serve in their
personal capacity, but are expected to have extensive linkages with their
respective stakeholder groups; I am therefore certain that such assessment
would be well informed and inclusive of all opinions.

But to be even more concrete: let us not forget that, as the draft outcome
document mentions, we already have a very clear set of recommendations to
refer to, i.e. the *Report of the Working Group on Improvements to the
Internet Governance
Forum*<http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G12/504/04/PDF/G1250404.pdf?OpenElement>(WGIGF)
of 2012. Some of these recommendations have been acted upon; some
are still lingering; but more in general, I sense that we are missing a
sense of the "global picture". Therefore, I would strongly *recommend that
one of the concrete outputs of NETmundial should be an assessment – even if
an initial one – of where we stand in terms of implementation for each
recommendation of the WGIGF*, or at the very least a clear commitment that
such assessment will be presented at the latest at 9th Internet Governance
Forum in *September 2014*; and that this "state of play" will be duly
updated and be open to public input, possibly using participatory tools as
I highlighted above.

 *(3) Tools and mechanisms for better information sharing and capacity
building*

As you can certainly see, I strongly believe in the *use of appropriate ICT
tools* for better and more inclusive dialogues.

The NETmundial draft outcome document clearly mentions the need for
communication and coordination within the Internet governance ecosystem,
including via tools to perform on-going monitoring, analysis, and
information-sharing function. I have already highlighted in my previous
comments how the European Commission is investing in the *Global Internet
Policy Observatory
initiative*<http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/commission-plans-guide-through-global-internet-policy-labyrinth>(GIPO)
as a way to experiment with the automated collection, analysis,
organisation and visualisation of information on Internet governance
discussions and decisions. The European Commission is currently finalising
a feasibility assessment of the technological and organisational options
for the GIPO, and we will share our conclusions by *mid-2014*, with a view
to launch the technological development of GIPO by the *end of 2014*.

In the meantime many other organisations, public and private, are either
already working or are planning to invest in Internet policy observatories
and similar initiatives. We should strive to avoid duplication of efforts.

Let me be crystal clear: I do not see any need for a winner-takes-all
beauty contest between observatories. Quite the contrary. But we should
strive to learn from each other's understanding of the problems and
proposed solutions. Ideally, we should also move towards a federation of
Internet policy observatories.

I therefore suggest that the draft outcome document of NETmundial
should *include
a clear commitment to have a broad, inclusive and operational roundtable
among all "observatory initiatives"* during the 9th Internet Governance
Forum in *September 2014*; ideally, this roundtable should lead to the
development of an initial "*collaboration roadmap*" by *mid-2015* and
identify mechanisms, including via existing meetings and dialogues, to
foster cooperation and communication among these various initiatives.

 *(4) Globalisation of IANA*

You already know how important I believe it is to keep the momentum towards
a real and effective globalisation of core Internet functions and
decisions, including IANA.

ICANN has recently shared a draft "scoping paper" and a roadmap that will
certainly be helpful in the discussions on the globalisation of IANA. *I
believe that the NETmundial outcome document should explicitly recognise
this draft proposal by ICANN as an important contribution and explicitly
call all stakeholders to express their views on it*.

*I also believe that in order for this discussion to be truly meaningful,
the NETmundial outcome document should clearly flag that*:

   - the engagement of the broader public should make full use of *all**
   existing meetings and fora*, including the global Internet Governance
   Forum and the regional ones, as appropriate; ICANN should also reach out to
   organisations across the world which are willing and capable to foster
   dialogue among citizens, besides and beyond those who are able to attend
   the meetings of ICANN or other Internet technical organisations;

   - with due consideration to the criteria which the US Government has
   presented in its announcement of 14 March
2014<http://www.ntia.doc.gov/press-release/2014/ntia-announces-intent-transition-key-internet-domain-name-functions>,
   *there should be no artificial limitation in the scope of the discussion*.
   For example, a consideration of *various organisational options*, as
   well as of the *opportunity* and the *most appropriate ways to separate
   policy, operational and oversight activities* should not be
   "off-limits", if we want the debate on the future of IANA to be seen as
   truly legitimate at the global level.

 *(5) Globalisation of ICANN*

The CEO of ICANN has recently
declared<https://blog.icann.org/2014/04/training-wheels-off/>that a
public dialogue on how to strengthen ICANN’s accountability will
soon be launched. In my view, this dialogue cannot be separated from the
broader issue of how to make ICANN a truly global organization serving the
public interest, as the draft outcome document mentions. I understand that
this dialogue will look at strengthening existing accountability mechanisms
like the Affirmation of Commitments, and ICANN’s redress mechanisms, as
well as exploring new accountability mechanisms where necessary.

I am looking forward to further information and details and I expect that
ICANN will also provide a clear timeline on the concrete implementation of
its globalisation efforts. Accordingly, I *recommend that the NETmundial
outcome document clearly invites ICANN to share its concrete proposals* at
the 50th ICANN meeting (London, UK, *22-26 June 2014*).

 *(6) Jurisdictional issues on the Internet*

It is natural, when talking about globalisation, to reflect not only on the
amazing opportunities brought about by the Internet, but also on the
challenges which this inherently cross-border medium raises with respect to
the application of laws. The European Commission
committed<http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52014DC0072&from=EN>to
launching an in-depth review of the risks, at international level, of
conflicts of laws and jurisdictions arising on the Internet and to assess
all mechanisms, processes and tools available and necessary to solve such
conflicts.

The NETmundial draft outcome document clearly identifies jurisdictional
issues and how they relate to Internet governance as "material for further
discussion". While I understand and agree that a full debate on this broad
topic during NETmundial would be neither desirable nor productive, *we
should have a stronger commitment to a phase-by-phase examination of this
issue*, with a view to produce "good practice" guidelines as appropriate.

Accordingly, *I suggest that the outcomes of NETmundial should include *an
invitation to interested parties to:

   - develop a "scoping paper" by *July 2014*;
   - facilitate on-line and off-line engagement opportunities, as
   appropriate, in the run-up to the 9th Internet Governance Forum
   (Istanbul, Turkey, *2-5 September 2014*);
   - following these discussions, aim to produce a first draft of "problem
   statements" and possible recommendations by the *first half of 2015*.



Dear colleagues, I thank you for your patience in reading my observations
and proposals, which I trust will be useful in further refining the outcome
document of NETmundial.

Kind regards,

Neelie Kroes

+++



Best,



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From carolina.rossini at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 16:59:07 2014
From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:59:07 -0400
Subject: [governance] QUESTION TO ADAM - NETmundial documents online for
 comment
Message-ID: <CAK-FJAeqV4VFfx3ADn48XT92domGN2XqQnqvCNtA1k=Juc8cFg@mail.gmail.com>

Adam,

Will the organizers consolidate the comments into a new document?! If
no....why should we be commenting on it? (this second is just a rhetoric
question to understand the process)


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:

> Please see <http://document.netmundial.br/> Use the Navigate button.
>
> Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE
>
> After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global
> Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received
> 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by
> representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and
> Technical Community.
>
> Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive
> Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and
> submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder
> Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from
> the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final
> version of the document is released here for public comments. The public
> consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee
> Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC.
>
> For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at
> http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public
> comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create
> an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to
> immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to
> say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address
> alongside your comment.
>
> By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all
> the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of
> the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility  to
> register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in
> someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous
> comments before making yours.
>
> This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public
> content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the
> Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of
> trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance
> debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final
> stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by
> all stakeholders.
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From rishab.bailey at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 17:21:42 2014
From: rishab.bailey at gmail.com (Rishab Bailey)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 02:51:42 +0530
Subject: [governance] Society for Knowledge Commons statement on High Level
 Committee iteration of the NetMundial Outcome Document
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Hi All,

Please find appended below a statement from Knowledge Commons on the High
Level Committee iteration of the NetMundial Outcome Document. The statement
can also be accessed on the Knowledge Commons website at www.kcbrasil.org

Regards
Rishab Bailey
(for the Society for Knowledge Commons)

****

*Knowledge Commons Statement on the latest iteration of the NetMundial
Outcome Document*


On 14 April 2014, the High Level Committee (HLC) of NetMundial published
the latest version of the draft outcome document at
*http://document.netmundial.br/
<http://document.netmundial.br/>*


This document has numerous changes to the draft document prepared by the
Executive Stakeholder Committee, which Knowledge Commons has previously
commented on<http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/en/internet-governance-meeting-in-brasil-23-24/statement-on-draft-netmundial-document-leaked-by-wikileaks-on-8-april-2014/>.



Having read and
analysed<http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/en/internet-governance-meeting-in-brasil-23-24/submissions-to-netmundial/>all
187 submissions made to the meeting, it is our considered view that
the
latest draft of the outcome document significantly waters down many of the
progressive positions mentioned in the first iteration prepared by the
Executive Stakeholder Committee.


*First,* The document does not adequately respond to and prohibit mass
surveillance – which was one of the issues that prompted the call for this
meeting in the first place.  The document has dropped reference to
“necessary and proportionate” principles and does not prohibit the
practices of targeting innocent civilians around the world of which Snowden
has made us all aware



*Second, *the deletion of references to an international agreement to
protect against cyber warfare is a serious concern. As more and more
critical infrastructure resources around the world are maintained and
operated through digital mechanisms, ensuring the security of these
installations from targeted attacks is critical.  Such an agreement is the
core business of governments.



*Third, *the document departs from accepted notions of multistakeholderism
as notably enshrined in the Tunis Agenda by recommending that all
stakeholders be placed on an equal footing, irrespective of their roles and
responsibilities. This turns the concept of representative democracy on its
head by permitting those with financial interests to frustrate the will of
legitimate and representative organisations.



*Fourth, *the document attempts to ensure accountability and transparency
of multistakeholder organizations including by putting in place periodic
reporting requirements. We continue to believe that there would be greater
utility in clearly defining the roles and responsibilities of various
stakeholders and specifying the elements of a minimum standard set of
guidelines, operating procedures, or the identification of an entity to
elaborate these modalities for multistakeholder fora.



*Fifth, *the document fails to recognize the need for a separation between
policy processes and operational aspects of ICANN. We believe there is a
need to ensure structures are put in place that can ensure public policy is
framed in a legitimate, representative fashion.  It is essential that the
role of governments within ICANN be spelt out and re-affirmed.



By watering down the language on transition on IANA functions and the
restructured role of ICANN, we believe that the High Level Committee has
missed an opportunity to ensure global pressure on the USA to relinquish
control over a resource that is a global commons.


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From suresh at hserus.net  Wed Apr 16 17:46:14 2014
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 03:16:14 +0530
Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial -
 Civil Society major issues
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References: <CADFgh11BtOaGOQ+kTUfgmJkqTOLzqFtWeDW3GrhzfN49ymeW_Q@mail.gmail.com> <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> <C19409AE-9015-4DFA-ADD1-BA13AD6AB436@glocom.ac.jp> <534EAB6D.70901@itforchange.net>
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Public versus publicly owned .. Publicly owned too is vague enough .. but do you mean for example standards owned through the ietf rather than ITU?  Still rather more clear than just stating "public standards"

--srs (iPad)

> On 16-Apr-2014, at 21:40, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>> what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"?  Does the word public add clarity?  Does it tell us something otherwise missing?
> 
> If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and Equitable Internet' (enclosed)
> 
> "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned, freely accessible and implementable. "
> 
> I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further.
> 
> No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much earlier.
> 
> parminder 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) 
>> 
>> The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is:
>> 
>> Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation.
>> 
>> (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/)
>> 
>> Is this weak? How can it be improved?  6 comments so far, are they helpful?
>> 
>> Adam (in my individual capacity) 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>> 
>>> Agree with Parminder.
>>> 
>>> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions?
>>> 
>>> But I would not blame big business Parminder.
>>> 
>>> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective.
>>> 
>>> Anriette
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>>>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft......
>>>> 
>>>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments..
>>>> 
>>>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it.
>>>> 
>>>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. 
>>>> 
>>>> parminder
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>>>>> Carlos,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document...
>>>>> 
>>>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places..
>>>>> 
>>>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed..
>>>>> 
>>>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
>>>>> 
>>>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>>>>> 
>>>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted...
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
>>>>> 
>>>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>>>>> 
>>>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder....
>>>>> 
>>>>> parminder 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
>>>>>> please re-read.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --c.a.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
>>>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
>>>>>>> to help Nnenna?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <
>>>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
>>>>>>> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> MF
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
>>>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
>>>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
>>>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
>>>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
>>>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
>>>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
>>>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
>>>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
>>>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
>>>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
>>>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
>>>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
>>>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
>>>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
>>>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
>>>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
>>>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> + 1
>>>>>>>>>> jeanette
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>  ;
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
>>>>>>>>>>> major issues
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
>>>>>>>>>>> inviting me
>>>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
>>>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
>>>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
>>>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> All for now
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Nnenna
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen 
>>>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> www.apc.org
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>>>>>>>>> south africa
>>>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin
>>>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics
>>>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
>>>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London)
>>>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications
>>>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW
>>>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> @GloComm
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm
>>>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/
>>>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
>>>>>>>> 
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