From anriette at apc.org Tue Apr 1 05:31:53 2014 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:31:53 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGF Assessments Call for information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <533A8789.20407@apc.org> Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible. Anriette -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for information Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300 From: Janis Karklins To: igfmaglist at intgovforum.org Dear MAG members, As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs. Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization provide a brief account. Thank you JK The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions. Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that it is just a "talk shop". In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs (international, regional or national). In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF Secretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF. Thank you for your participation Janis Karklins Interim Chair of the MAG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What about the other side of the coin? Can the DNS be considered a public good? That is, the DNS as lnternet logical infrastructure --not his or that gTLD or this or that domain name. Thanks, Mawaki On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Hi Karl, > > +1 > > The term property suggests a totality and uniformity of ownership that in > practice often turns out to be wrong. Ownership is always subject to > conditions and those may vary across and time and political/juridical > cultures. This also means that exclusive rights and obligations are not > fixed forever but are negotiable. > > jeanette > > Am 29.03.14 02:26, schrieb Karl Auerbach: > > On 03/28/2014 06:17 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >> 1. Is the DNS property or public good? >>> >> >> The word "property" is very heavily overloaded by cultural and legal >> context. >> >> I find it much better to avoid that word altogether and rather to >> consider the collection of rights and obligations that person X has to >> thing Y. >> >> For example, with regard to domain names X could be the registrant and >> X's rights include the right to delegate name servers, to sub-delegate, >> etc. While the obligations might include paying fees, providing contact >> information, etc etc. >> >> Same for registrars - they have certain rights and obligations with >> regard to that same domain name (from the prior paragraph above) such >> acting as the intermediary to a registry, etc etc. >> >> Some people may consider those contractual things. But to me that is >> merely a difference in words without real difference in substance. >> >> I suggest, therefore, that in discussing these sorts of things that we >> can avoid a lot of miscommmunication by avoiding the difficult word >> "property". >> >> --karl-- >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These session will also provide an opportunity to openly discuss recommendations for a stable, safe and final transition to IPv6 and the current status of this technology. The event will be held on April 4th at 7pm UTC Time, 4pm in Montevideo and 3pm in Port Spain. More information available here: https://eventos.lacnic.net/ev3/agotamientoipv4sociedadcivil/detail After processing your online registration, you will receive the link to access the conference. Kind Regards, Andrés Piazza Public Affairs Officer LACNIC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Tue Apr 1 19:09:39 2014 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:09:39 -0700 Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good] In-Reply-To: References: <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> Message-ID: I'm doing this on an ipad so please excuse it being terse... I am not suggesting that we avoid notions such as control or alienabiliy or the right to exclude others.. Rather I am simply suggesting that we stay away from culturally loaded words such as"property". I would prefer that we use the concept of the rights and duties that arise rather than bundling all that under the ambiguous word "property". --karl-- > On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > > Hi Jeanette, Karl: > > So you've made the case for avoiding the concept of "property," indeed for its inadequacy, wrt the DNS. What about the other side of the coin? Can the DNS be considered a public good? That is, the DNS as lnternet logical infrastructure --not his or that gTLD or this or that domain name. > Thanks, > > Mawaki > > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> Hi Karl, >> >> +1 >> >> The term property suggests a totality and uniformity of ownership that in practice often turns out to be wrong. Ownership is always subject to conditions and those may vary across and time and political/juridical cultures. This also means that exclusive rights and obligations are not fixed forever but are negotiable. >> >> jeanette >> >> Am 29.03.14 02:26, schrieb Karl Auerbach: >> >>> On 03/28/2014 06:17 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>> >>>> 1. Is the DNS property or public good? >>> >>> The word "property" is very heavily overloaded by cultural and legal >>> context. >>> >>> I find it much better to avoid that word altogether and rather to >>> consider the collection of rights and obligations that person X has to >>> thing Y. >>> >>> For example, with regard to domain names X could be the registrant and >>> X's rights include the right to delegate name servers, to sub-delegate, >>> etc. While the obligations might include paying fees, providing contact >>> information, etc etc. >>> >>> Same for registrars - they have certain rights and obligations with >>> regard to that same domain name (from the prior paragraph above) such >>> acting as the intermediary to a registry, etc etc. >>> >>> Some people may consider those contractual things. But to me that is >>> merely a difference in words without real difference in substance. >>> >>> I suggest, therefore, that in discussing these sorts of things that we >>> can avoid a lot of miscommmunication by avoiding the difficult word >>> "property". >>> >>> --karl-- >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 20:25:50 2014 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 00:25:50 +0000 Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good] In-Reply-To: References: <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> Message-ID: I got that, Karl --and sorry for your ipad pain :) My question is this: Is this answer of yours also an answer (if only indirectly) to the question of DNS as public good. Well, assuming one can formulate a definition of public good without positively relying on the concept of property as culturally overloaded as it is -- but then again if the implication of your repeated answer is that such formulation of a definition of 'public good' is impossible, then yes your repeated answer is the only thing I can get. Is the unbundling of rights and duties (on specific pieces/instances of the DNS) the only way you see fit for the question of the DNS (as a whole) as possible public good, too? mawaki On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote: > I'm doing this on an ipad so please excuse it being terse... > > I am not suggesting that we avoid notions such as control or alienabiliy > or the right to exclude others.. Rather I am simply suggesting that we > stay away from culturally loaded words such as"property". I would prefer > that we use the concept of the rights and duties that arise rather than > bundling all that under the ambiguous word "property". > > --karl-- > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > > Hi Jeanette, Karl: > > So you've made the case for avoiding the concept of "property," indeed for > its inadequacy, wrt the DNS. What about the other side of the coin? Can the > DNS be considered a public good? That is, the DNS as lnternet logical > infrastructure --not his or that gTLD or this or that domain name. > Thanks, > > Mawaki > > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > >> Hi Karl, >> >> +1 >> >> The term property suggests a totality and uniformity of ownership that in >> practice often turns out to be wrong. Ownership is always subject to >> conditions and those may vary across and time and political/juridical >> cultures. This also means that exclusive rights and obligations are not >> fixed forever but are negotiable. >> >> jeanette >> >> Am 29.03.14 02:26, schrieb Karl Auerbach: >> >> On 03/28/2014 06:17 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>> >>> 1. Is the DNS property or public good? >>>> >>> >>> The word "property" is very heavily overloaded by cultural and legal >>> context. >>> >>> I find it much better to avoid that word altogether and rather to >>> consider the collection of rights and obligations that person X has to >>> thing Y. >>> >>> For example, with regard to domain names X could be the registrant and >>> X's rights include the right to delegate name servers, to sub-delegate, >>> etc. While the obligations might include paying fees, providing contact >>> information, etc etc. >>> >>> Same for registrars - they have certain rights and obligations with >>> regard to that same domain name (from the prior paragraph above) such >>> acting as the intermediary to a registry, etc etc. >>> >>> Some people may consider those contractual things. But to me that is >>> merely a difference in words without real difference in substance. >>> >>> I suggest, therefore, that in discussing these sorts of things that we >>> can avoid a lot of miscommmunication by avoiding the difficult word >>> "property". >>> >>> --karl-- >>> >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joly at punkcast.com Wed Apr 2 04:19:52 2014 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 04:19:52 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY 10:30am EDT: US House IANA Transition Hearing Message-ID: Hopefully with everyone over their jetlag from the trip back from Singapore, the US Congress now gets to talk IANA. Since the NTIA globalization announcement back on March 14, politicians from Newt Gingrichto Sarah Palin have raised concerns that it is a US giveaway of a strategic asset. Congress is certainly going to paying close attention as the process develops. Every Internet user worldwide has an interest in the four factors in the hearing's title - Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom - and thus the answers to the questions listed below. We in turn should pay close attention to Congress, joly posted: "On Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT, the U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Communications and Technology will a hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in" [image: Energy + Commerece]On *Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT*, the U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Communications and Technology will a hearing *Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet*in Washington DC. The topic under discussion will be the proposed transfer of the IANA stewardship from the United States to the global Internet community. Witnesses are *Larry Strickling* of the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, *Fadi Chehade* of ICANN, former Ambassador *David Gross*, *Steve DelBianco* of NetChoice, and *Carolina Rossini* of the OTI. The hearing will be webcast live via Ustream. *What*: Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet *Where*: Washington DC *When*: Wednesday April 2 2014, 10.30am EDT | 1530 UTC *Webcast*: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/energyandcommerce2322 *Background memo*: http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf *Twitter*: #SubCommTech| #IANA *Topics*: - How will NTIA collect and assess proposals? Has a process been determined? Is there a timeline in place for a decision? - Does transition of the IANA functions out of NTIA have implications for national security? - How will NTIA ensure that any transition is smooth and does not affect the daily functioning of the Internet? - What will be the result if NTIA does not receive a proposal that satisfies the criteria it set forth? Does NTIA plan to exercise the automatic option for renewal on the IANA contract if a satisfactory proposal is not received? - What sort of multi-stakeholder community would be the ideal replacement for NTIA's role in the IANA functions? - What safeguards will be in place to prevent a future change that would allow for governments to seize control? - What oversight role should Congress play to ensure a successful outcome. - What will be the practical impact of this transition on Internet users and businesses that utilize the Internet for commerce? Comment See all comments *Permalink*: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6488 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joly at punkcast.com Wed Apr 2 08:25:13 2014 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:25:13 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: WEBCAST TODAY 10:30am EDT: US House IANA Transition Hearing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Correction. This starts at 1430 UTC. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > Hopefully with everyone over their jetlag from the trip back from > Singapore, the US Congress now gets to talk IANA. Since the NTIA > globalization announcement back on March 14, politicians from Newt > Gingrich to Sarah > Palin have > raised concerns that it is a US giveaway of a strategic asset. Congress is > certainly going to paying close attention as the process develops. Every > Internet user worldwide has an interest in the four factors in the > hearing's title - Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom - and thus > the answers to the questions listed below. We in turn should pay close > attention to Congress, > > joly posted: "On Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT, the U.S. > House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on > Communications and Technology will a hearing Ensuring the Security, > Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in" > > [image: Energy + Commerece]On *Wednesday April 2 2014, at 10.30am EDT*, > the U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's > Subcommittee on Communications and Technology will a hearing *Ensuring > the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet*in Washington DC. The topic under discussion will be the proposed > transfer of the IANA stewardship from the > United States to the global Internet community. Witnesses are *Larry > Strickling* of the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, *Fadi Chehade* of ICANN, > former Ambassador *David Gross*, *Steve DelBianco* of NetChoice, and *Carolina > Rossini* of the OTI. The hearing will be webcast live via Ustream. > > *What*: Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the > Global Internet > *Where*: Washington DC > *When*: Wednesday April 2 2014, 10.30am EDT | 1430 UTC > *Webcast*: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/energyandcommerce2322 > *Background memo*: > http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf > *Twitter*: #SubCommTech| > #IANA > > *Topics*: > > - How will NTIA collect and assess proposals? Has a process been > determined? Is there a timeline in place for a decision? > - Does transition of the IANA functions out of NTIA have implications > for national security? > - How will NTIA ensure that any transition is smooth and does not > affect the daily functioning of the Internet? > - What will be the result if NTIA does not receive a proposal that > satisfies the criteria it set forth? Does NTIA plan to exercise the > automatic option for renewal on the IANA contract if a satisfactory > proposal is not received? > - What sort of multi-stakeholder community would be the ideal > replacement for NTIA's role in the IANA functions? > - What safeguards will be in place to prevent a future change that > would allow for governments to seize control? > - What oversight role should Congress play to ensure a successful > outcome. > - What will be the practical impact of this transition on Internet > users and businesses that utilize the Internet for commerce? > > Comment See all comments > > > *Permalink*: > http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6488 > > > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com > VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please share with your contacts.* ] Please be reminded of the announcement below; please also note that due to daylight saving time, the correct time-zone for the call is actually CEST (Central European *Summer* Time, UTC +2 hours). To avoid any misunderstanding, just keep in mind that the host of the conference call is based in *Brussels,** Belgium*. +++ http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/netmundial-european-commission-facilitate-conference-call-information-sharing In view of the forthcoming Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance (NETMundial, http://www.netmundial.br/) which will take place in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on 23-24 April 2014, the European Commission is organising an open conference call, with the purpose of sharing information among stakeholders. The online meeting will be facilitated by the European Commission, but we do expect stakeholders to actively contribute to the conversation. We kindly ask those who plan to attend the conference call and would like to share their views with other participants, possibly on the basis of their / their organisation's contribution to NETmundial, to *let us know in advance*so that we can allocate a fair number of slots for interventions. Details of the conference call (phone numbers, PIN, and Adobe Connect data) are below: · Date: 8 April 2014 · Time: 11:00 - 13:00 (CEST) · Telephone number: 02 808 1363 (if calling from Belgium - for a list of international number, please see the attached PDF document) · Conference room number: 1327846 · Adobe Connect URL: http://ec-wacs.adobeconnect.com/ag4682/(please note that you do *NOT* need to use Adobe Connect to participate in the teleconference - it's offered as an option) As background information, you might want to go through the contributions which have been submitted to NETmundial. They are available at http://content.netmundial.br/docs/contribs. The European Commission has submitted two contributions, which are available at http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/internet-governance-principles/176and http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/roadmap-for-the-further-evolution-of-the-internet-governance-ecosystem/177. Thanks for your kind attention. We hope you will join us for this discussion. Best regards, -- Andrea Glorioso (Mr) European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and Technology Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy Development Avenue de Beaulieu 25 (4/64) / B-1049 / Brussels / Belgium T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E: Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu Twitter: @andreaglorioso Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.glorioso LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro The views expressed above are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. 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Warm Regards, Rishab (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) *Welcome to the first edition of NetMundial News from Knowledge Commons!* *********** Knowledge Commons is a consortium of community media, academics and technologists based in India and Brasil. For more information please visit www.knowledgecommons.in and www.kcbrasil.org and follow us on Twitter @KCNetMundial *********** President Dilma Roussef issued a strong call for a global compact on Internet Governance at her speech at the UN General Assembly in September 2013 following revelations about surveillance on various Brasilian institutions by the NSA. The NetMundial meeting to be held 23-24 April in Sao Paolo, will craft new Principles for governing the Internet and a road map for reform of current governance structures. NetMundial represents an important turning point in the debate on democratizing Internet Governance. The NetMundial diplomatic conference will be held at the Hyatt hotel and will negotiate the principles and road map. Several Knowledge Commons delegates have been accepted into the NetMundial and are keen to meet up with other like minded people and organisations! The ArenaNetMundial will be held at the Sao Paolo Cultural Centre starting 22 February and will feature a series of incredible panel events and speakers from around the world. *Stand by for the full program*! Knowledge Commons will be transmitting news and updates from the conference* - let us know if you would like to be on our mailing list by writing to: * info at knowledgecommons.in*. * Knowledge Commons has made two submissions to the meeting - on policy and technical issues - and has summarized all187 submissions from governments, NGOs and companies. Our analysis of the submissions, explained in this infographic, shows that - 31 came from governments (individual and group), 105 civil society, 42 private sector, 3 UN and 6 Multistakeholder - 99 from the North, 64 from the South, 24 from Global - 127 submitted by men, 51 by women, 9 non-gendered - 18 submissions mention gender - 50 out of 187 submissions protest mass surveillance - while almost all mention privacy - 110 out of 187 submissions insist that human rights online - 135 out of 187 submissions acknowledge that the multistakeholder model needs reform and improvement - 145 out of 187 submissions affirm the fact that governments have a role to play in internet governance - 63 out of 187 submissions explicitly support the globalization or internationalization of ICANN & its IANA function - 46 out of 187 submissions explicitly support the strengthening and reform of the Internet Governance Forum Many principles are under discussion in the submissions including: - Drag net surveillance is not legitimate and should be explicitly outlawed - Surveillance must be necessary, targeted, proportionate and with judicial oversight - Clandestine backdoors into software and hardware violate users human rights - We need new limits on information governments and companies collect, store and use - The Internet is a global knowledge commons not a market place or war theatre - The concentration of legal power and internet traffic through one state is dangerous - Competition and consumer law need to apply to online markets in light of monopolies - Fair and transparent cross border regulation and taxation of global internet businesses - Net neutrality must not be compromised - Digital colonialism of dominant cultures and languages online must be addressed. Of the 187 submissions, a full 135 acknowledge problems with the multistakeholder model of Internet governance, with reform urgently needed to: - Untangle the Internet from the laws of one country - ICANN and the NTIA also agree it's time for the US to withdraw from its role as trustee of the Internet. - Make ICANN in its new "globalized" form horizontally and vertically accountable; most suggest but some overtly state (CGI.br) that ICANN is captured by dominant industries - Many submissions describe how the "multistakeholder" model is suffering from: - *Lack of clear standard operating procedures* including transparent decision making and reporting - *Self selection instead of equitable representation* - many submissions note that those who can afford to be present in the myriad of multistakeholder encounters, usually held in the Global North, can participate, which impacts not only resourced challenged NGOs but also developing countries - *Structures that are not complimentary* - but are difficult to navigate with overlapping mandates - *Vague definitions* - "stakeholders" are not easily or simply defined. Different configurations are required in public policy or technical debates. The technical community is both private and part of civil society. Civil society comprises rights advocates, aid workers, philanthropic ventures, librarians and the media. Similarly, governments comprise bureaucrats, regulators, legislators, jurists, military, intelligence, data protection officers, and civil servants. Simplistically bundling all entities as equal has benefited some actors over others. Of the 187 submissions, 145 have acknowledged that governments have a role to play. - While the precise role is the subject of a long-standing, bitter and polarizing debate, President Rousseff's September 2013 speech at the UN General Assembly and many submissions (for instance that of the German government) call for governments to take up their role and responsibility as representatives of populations - While technical standards and protocols must continue to be framed in an institutionalized bottoms up manner, Knowledge Commons believes that certain public policy functions can only be adequately dealt with through governments working together on such issues as: - Legal and enforceable protection of human rights, including privacy - Cyber warfare and cyber attacks - Regularity issues such as cost of access and net neutrality - Common ownership of domain name spaces, including control of CCTLDs by the country concerned, international control, supervision and oversight of IANA functions - Protection and stability of international telecommunications services (the right against disconnection etc.) To further explain and demystify the above issues, Knowledge Commons has prepared a number of papers, including on: - What is wrong with Internet Governance? and - The false dichotomy between Multistakeholder and Multilateral models We encourage you to sign up and participate in the discussion - after all the Internet is our global knowledge commons! 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The information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section: ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet standards under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, Internet users, corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop the technology that makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments that participate in the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the Internet. The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively organized under the international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and all work to create voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks easier. The flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the "multistakeholder model," is what has enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, social discourse, and innovation. Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as " the engineering corps of the Internet". So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? 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We have until 30th June for submission. Deirdre On 1 April 2014 05:31, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible. > > Anriette > > > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for > information Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300 From: Janis Karklins > To: > igfmaglist at intgovforum.org > > Dear MAG members, > As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for > information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been > taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs. > Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization > provide a brief account. > Thank you > JK > > > > The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the > Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet > governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform > for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible > solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and > disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions. > > > > Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no > actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that > it is just a "talk shop". > > > > In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the > IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and > decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the > engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national). > > > > In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and > institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary > basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a > result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 > and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat > will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report > at the Istanbul IGF. > > > > Thank you for your participation > > > > Janis Karklins > > Interim Chair of the MAG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IRP mailing list > IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org > https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp > > -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GigaNet is a scholarly community that promotes the development of Internet Governance as a recognized, interdisciplinary field of study and facilitates informed dialogue on policy issues and related matters between scholars and governments, international organizations, the private sector and civil society. http://giga-net.org/ Since 2006, GigaNet has organized an Annual Symposium to showcase research about Internet Governance, bringing together researchers and practitioners from a wide range of disciplines and fields. As in previous years, the symposium will provide room to discuss current and future questions as well as the challenges encountered and results achieved in global Internet governance. The 2014 GigaNet Symposium offers researchers a timely opportunity to present their work on our rapidly changing field. Conference themes GigaNet is interested in receiving abstracts related to Internet Governance themes, especially those containing innovative approaches and/or emerging research areas. The program committee welcomes all proposals on topics related to global Internet governance including such themes as: * The WGEC process and outcomes * The WSIS review process and outcomes * The mainstreaming and proliferation of "Internet Governance" * The institutionalization of internet governance * Analysis of the NETmundial meeting * Global Trade, Intellectual Property and Internet Governance * The ICANN separation roadmap from the NTIA We will continue to provide a venue for emerging scholars in the field by offering select panels. Emerging Scholars are those individuals who have received their Ph.D. within the past three years as well as current doctoral students working on their approved doctoral research. Accepted papers from senior scholars will be presented and discussed in a roundtable format involving business, government and technical community representatives, while emerging scholars will present their work in a more traditional academic panel. In both cases, presenters should expect to have conversations about their work with people from a wide range of stakeholder groups. Submissions Interested scholars should submit abstracts of their research paper at the Easy Chair platform: https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=giganet2014 Deadline for abstract submissions: April 15 2014 Paper proposals should be submitted following these requirements: § An abstract of 800-1000 words, in English, that describes the paper's main research goal(s) and methodology employed § A short bio note focused on institutional affiliations, advanced degrees, scholarly publications and work in the field of Internet Governance and related issues (for example ICTs). Please include a link to a more detailed CV. § Authors of accepted abstracts must submit their final papers by *15 July 2014*. Those unable to do so will be removed from the program. Process and publication The Program Committee will evaluate submitted abstracts and inform proposal authors of acceptance decisions by email before *1 June 2014*. Accepted submissions and final papers will be published on the GigaNet website. An online publication with selected papers on the main challenges of Internet Governance is also planned for the Istanbul IGF. Registration The GigaNet Annual Symposium is free of charge. However, registration will be required to gain entry to the event venue. Please continue visiting our website for further information about registration, venue and accommodation. If you have any question related to the submission or the symposium activities, please e-mail the Program Committee Chair: j-laprise at northwestern.edu. -- *Fatima Cambronero* Abogada-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is no denying that > each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify > as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as " > the engineering corps of the Internet". > > So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? Only in part. There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers, hundreds of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have self-organised in many hundreds of CS bodies to tackle challenges they see. Don't get distracted by something that was probably initially drafted by a 20 year old Congressional intern! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From amedinagomez at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 16:32:02 2014 From: amedinagomez at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Medina_G=F3mez?=) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 15:32:02 -0500 Subject: [governance] #GigaNet CALL FOR PAPERS 9th Annual Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fatima muchas gracias por la información Antonio Medina Gomez Presidente Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet 2014-04-02 14:42 GMT-05:00 Fatima Cambronero : > [image: Bildschirmfoto 2012-03-12 um 09] > > > > > > CALL FOR PAPERS > > > > 9th Annual Symposium > > 1 September 2014 > > Istanbul, Turkey > > > > Deadline for abstract submissions: April 15 2014 > > > > > > The Global Internet Governance Academic Network (GigaNet) is seeking > research submissions about Internet Governance to be presented at its Ninth > Annual Symposium, held on 1 September 2014, one day before the United > Nations Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Istanbul, Turkey. > > > > GigaNet is a scholarly community that promotes the development of Internet > Governance as a recognized, interdisciplinary field of study and > facilitates informed dialogue on policy issues and related matters between > scholars and governments, international organizations, the private sector > and civil society. http://giga-net.org/ > > > > Since 2006, GigaNet has organized an Annual Symposium to showcase research > about Internet Governance, bringing together researchers and practitioners > from a wide range of disciplines and fields. As in previous years, the > symposium will provide room to discuss current and future questions as well > as the challenges encountered and results achieved in global Internet > governance. The 2014 GigaNet Symposium offers researchers a timely > opportunity to present their work on our rapidly changing field. > > > > Conference themes > > > > GigaNet is interested in receiving abstracts related to Internet > Governance themes, especially those containing innovative approaches and/or > emerging research areas. The program committee welcomes all proposals on > topics related to global Internet governance including such themes as: > > > > * The WGEC process and outcomes > > * The WSIS review process and outcomes > > * The mainstreaming and proliferation of "Internet Governance" > > * The institutionalization of internet governance > > * Analysis of the NETmundial meeting > > * Global Trade, Intellectual Property and Internet Governance > > * The ICANN separation roadmap from the NTIA > > > > We will continue to provide a venue for emerging scholars in the field by > offering select panels. Emerging Scholars are those individuals who have > received their Ph.D. within the past three years as well as current > doctoral students working on their approved doctoral research. > > > > Accepted papers from senior scholars will be presented and discussed in a > roundtable format involving business, government and technical community > representatives, while emerging scholars will present their work in a more > traditional academic panel. In both cases, presenters should expect to have > conversations about their work with people from a wide range of stakeholder > groups. > > > > > > Submissions > > Interested scholars should submit abstracts of their research paper at the > Easy Chair platform: > > > > https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=giganet2014 > > Deadline for abstract submissions: April 15 2014 > > > > Paper proposals should be submitted following these requirements: > > § An abstract of 800-1000 words, in English, that describes the paper's > main research goal(s) and methodology employed > > § A short bio note focused on institutional affiliations, advanced > degrees, scholarly publications and work in the field of Internet > Governance and related issues (for example ICTs). Please include a link to > a more detailed CV. > > § Authors of accepted abstracts must submit their final papers by *15 > July 2014*. Those unable to do so will be removed from the program. > > > > Process and publication > > The Program Committee will evaluate submitted abstracts and inform > proposal authors of acceptance decisions by email before *1 June 2014*. > > > > Accepted submissions and final papers will be published on the GigaNet > website. An online publication with selected papers on the main challenges > of Internet Governance is also planned for the Istanbul IGF. > > > > Registration > > The GigaNet Annual Symposium is free of charge. However, registration will > be required to gain entry to the event venue. Please continue visiting our > website for further information about registration, venue and > accommodation. > > > > If you have any question related to the submission or the symposium > activities, please > > e-mail the Program Committee Chair: j-laprise at northwestern.edu. > > > -- > *Fatima Cambronero* > Abogada-Argentina > > Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 > Twitter: @facambronero > Skype: fatima.cambronero > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net Wed Apr 2 16:44:52 2014 From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:44:52 +0200 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net> Thanks for sharing this Deirdre. McTim, suggesting that a 20 year old intern did that background brief to serve a congressional subcommittee as this critical one, must be some kind of a joke, I presume. Certainly, an un-paid intern! The overall narrative is pretty much in line with the US reasoning, except that for once, it is more or less raw and plain. We still have a long way to go... I am afraid... JC PS: McTim: if you have the name of that intern, I am pleased to offer him a position. Even though I cannot but disagree with the perspective, the job is rather well done. Le 2 avr. 2014 à 21:21, Deirdre Williams a écrit : > The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee’s Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March “to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community”. Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of “The Multistakeholder Community”. This is the first paragraph of that section: > > ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet standards > > under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, Internet users, > > corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop the technology that > > makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments that participate in > > the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the Internet. The Internet > > Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering > > Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively organized under the > > international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and all work to create > > voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks easier. The > > flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the “multistakeholder model,” is what has > > enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, social discourse, and > > innovation. > > Apart from ICANN four “ad hoc groups” are mentioned directly, five if you count ISOC which “collectively organize[s]” them. There is no denying that each of these five is a “stakeholder”, and, being more than one they qualify as “multi”. However there is no diversity – in fact they are described as “ the engineering corps of the Internet”. > > So is this the “multistakeholder model” that we are discussing? > > Deirdre > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 16:51:06 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 16:51:06 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone interested in reading the formal presentations to the committee can find them here On 2 April 2014 15:21, Deirdre Williams wrote: > The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's > Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing *Ensuring the > Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet > * in > Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also > contains a link to a background memo > http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The > memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and > Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to > transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". > Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The > Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section: > > ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary > Internet standards > > under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from > governments, Internet users, > > corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that > develop the technology that > > makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and > governments that participate in > > the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the > Internet. The Internet > > Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the > Internet Engineering > > Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively > organized under the > > international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers > and all work to create > > voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all > networks easier. The > > flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the > "multistakeholder model," is what has > > enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, > commerce, social discourse, and > > innovation. > > Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you > count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that > each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they > qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are > described as " the engineering corps of the Internet". > > So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? > > Deirdre > > -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 16:59:51 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:59:51 -0700 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0b5b01cf4eb6$7e5a3850$7b0ea8f0$@gmail.com> Really glad to see this McTim. I was getting a bit worried that we would actually have a definition of the "MS model" to discuss but I'm glad you have reassured us that it was all a false alarm and the MS model is still the shape shifting wraith that so many folks here in CS have come to know and love... M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:59 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if > you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no > denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more > than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as " > the engineering corps of the Internet". > > So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? Only in part. There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers, hundreds of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have self-organised in many hundreds of CS bodies to tackle challenges they see. Don't get distracted by something that was probably initially drafted by a 20 year old Congressional intern! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Apr 2 21:51:28 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 07:21:28 +0530 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: <0b5b01cf4eb6$7e5a3850$7b0ea8f0$@gmail.com> References: <0b5b01cf4eb6$7e5a3850$7b0ea8f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It does shift shape so often when some vocal members of civil society assure us that the technical community forms no part of civil society. This appears to be an effort in the reverse direction. It is quite sad, but what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and for every fringe civil society type trying to exclude the technical community, there's some crusty old neck beard engineer type who rails at those useless civil society types who wouldn't know a router if it bit them, and are trying to teach real engineers how to run the internet. Just as wrong headed and fringe an opinion as the civil society fringe one, but oh well .. --srs (iPad) > On 03-Apr-2014, at 2:29, "michael gurstein" wrote: > > Really glad to see this McTim. I was getting a bit worried that we would > actually have a definition of the "MS model" to discuss but I'm glad you > have reassured us that it was all a false alarm and the MS model is still > the shape shifting wraith that so many folks here in CS have come to know > and love... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:59 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams > Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Deirdre Williams > wrote: > > > >> Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if >> you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no >> denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more >> than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact > they are described as " >> the engineering corps of the Internet". >> >> So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? > > > Only in part. > > There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers, hundreds > of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have self-organised in > many hundreds of CS bodies to tackle challenges they see. > > Don't get distracted by something that was probably initially drafted by a > 20 year old Congressional intern! > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Wed Apr 2 22:02:48 2014 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:02:48 +0000 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: <3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net> References: ,<3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net> Message-ID: <3df8e4cc31034cfd87641db24b7aecc0@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> McTim went too far...it probably was not written by a 20 year-old intern, they get stuck with more menial tasks. Odds are principle 'drafter' was a...21-26-year-old committee staffer, cribbing/revising from lobbyist-provided talking points. Hey at least they spelled IAB right. ; ) Lee ________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org on behalf of Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:44 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model Thanks for sharing this Deirdre. McTim, suggesting that a 20 year old intern did that background brief to serve a congressional subcommittee as this critical one, must be some kind of a joke, I presume. Certainly, an un-paid intern! The overall narrative is pretty much in line with the US reasoning, except that for once, it is more or less raw and plain. We still have a long way to go... I am afraid... JC PS: McTim: if you have the name of that intern, I am pleased to offer him a position. Even though I cannot but disagree with the perspective, the job is rather well done. Le 2 avr. 2014 ? 21:21, Deirdre Williams a ?crit : The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section: ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet standards under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, Internet users, corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop the technology that makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments that participate in the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the Internet. The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively organized under the international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and all work to create voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks easier. The flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the "multistakeholder model," is what has enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, social discourse, and innovation. Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as " the engineering corps of the Internet". So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 22:16:47 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:16:47 -0400 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: <3df8e4cc31034cfd87641db24b7aecc0@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> References: <3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net> <3df8e4cc31034cfd87641db24b7aecc0@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Hi Lee, You are correct, it was probably written by someone more senior than an intern, someone who has dozens of issue areas to become conversant with every week. In my defense I said "drafted by". But this is all a red herring becasue I actually made a more important point that some "journalists" and "academics" either deny or refuse to admit exists, to wit: "There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers, hundreds of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have self-organised in many hundreds of CS bodies to tackle challenges they see." There is a very large and growing MS Internet eco-system. If you are opposed to this politically, well fine, but one can't deny that it actually exists! I had thought this thread had died, but alas..... On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote: > McTim went too far...it probably was not written by a 20 year-old intern, > they get stuck with more menial tasks. > > Odds are principle 'drafter' was a...21-26-year-old committee staffer, > cribbing/revising from lobbyist-provided talking points. > > Hey at least they spelled IAB right. ; ) > > Lee > ________________________________ > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > on behalf of Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS > I The Global Journal > Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:44 PM > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams > Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model > > Thanks for sharing this Deirdre. > > McTim, suggesting that a 20 year old intern did that background brief to > serve a congressional subcommittee as this critical one, must be some kind > of a joke, I presume. Certainly, an un-paid intern! > The overall narrative is pretty much in line with the US reasoning, except > that for once, it is more or less raw and plain. > > We still have a long way to go... I am afraid... > > JC > PS: McTim: if you have the name of that intern, I am pleased to offer him a > position. Even though I cannot but disagree with the perspective, the job is > rather well done. > > > > Le 2 avr. 2014 à 21:21, Deirdre Williams a écrit : > > The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee > on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, > Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in Washington DC has just > finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a > background memo > http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf > The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications > and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to > transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". > Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The > Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section: > > ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet > standards > > under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, > Internet users, > > corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that > develop the technology that > > makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments > that participate in > > the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the > Internet. The Internet > > Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the > Internet Engineering > > Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively > organized under the > > international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and > all work to create > > voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all > networks easier. The > > flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the > "multistakeholder model," is what has > > enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, > social discourse, and > > innovation. > > Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you > count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that > each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify > as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as " > the engineering corps of the Internet". > > So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? > > Deirdre > > > -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Apr 2 22:48:55 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 08:18:55 +0530 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: <3F862841-A3E8-4B2C-90A3-9F73DF2C60D7@theglobaljournal.net> <3df8e4cc31034cfd87641db24b7aecc0@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: ... And don't be surprised if the people you revile don't want you any more than you want them. --srs (iPad) > But this is all a red herring becasue I actually made a more important > point that some "journalists" and "academics" either deny or refuse to > admit exists, to wit: > > "There are other standards bodies, other orgs that work on numbers, > hundreds of DNS orgs, and lots of folk in issue areas that have > self-organised in many hundreds of CS bodies to tackle challenges > they see." > > There is a very large and growing MS Internet eco-system. If you are > opposed to this politically, well fine, but one can't deny that it > actually exists! > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fatimacambronero at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 08:55:27 2014 From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 09:55:27 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF Assessments Call for information In-Reply-To: <533A8789.20407@apc.org> References: <533A8789.20407@apc.org> Message-ID: *(Sorry for cross posting. It includes a correct email address to send your comments).* *The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.* *Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested that no actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that it is just a "talk shop".* *In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs (international, regional or national).* *In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and institutions that would be willing to share information, on a voluntary basis, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF Secretariat (* *discussion_questions at intgovforum.org**) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF.* *Thank you for your participation* *Janis Karklins* *Interim Chair of the MAG* 2014-04-01 6:31 GMT-03:00 Anriette Esterhuysen : > Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible. > > Anriette > > > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for > information Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300 From: Janis Karklins > To: > igfmaglist at intgovforum.org > > Dear MAG members, > As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for > information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been > taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs. > Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization > provide a brief account. > Thank you > JK > > > > The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the > Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet > governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform > for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible > solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and > disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions. > > > > Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no > actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that > it is just a "talk shop". > > > > In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the > IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and > decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the > engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national). > > > > In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and > institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary > basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a > result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 > and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat > will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report > at the Istanbul IGF. > > > > Thank you for your participation > > > > Janis Karklins > > Interim Chair of the MAG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IRP mailing list > IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org > https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp > > -- *Fatima Cambronero* Abogada-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From vanda at uol.com.br Thu Apr 3 09:45:27 2014 From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:45:27 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you! I have watched the hearing. Quite interesting! Thanks for sharing this. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 17:51 To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" Subject: [governance] Re: Multistakeholder model Anyone interested in reading the formal presentations to the committee can find them here On 2 April 2014 15:21, Deirdre Williams wrote: > The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee¹s Subcommittee > on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, > Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet > e-and-freedom-global-internet> in Washington DC has just finished. The > information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo > http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402- > SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National > Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th > March ³to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder > community². Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of ³The > Multistakeholder Community². This is the first paragraph of that section: > > ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet > standards > > under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, > Internet users, > > corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop > the technology that > > makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments > that participate in > > the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the > Internet. The Internet > > Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the > Internet Engineering > > Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively > organized under the > > international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and > all work to create > > voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks > easier. The > > flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the ³multistakeholder > model,² is what has > > enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, > social discourse, and > > innovation. > > Apart from ICANN four ³ad hoc groups² are mentioned directly, five if you > count ISOC which ³collectively organize[s]² them. There is no denying that > each of these five is a ³stakeholder², and, being more than one they qualify > as ³multi². However there is no diversity ­ in fact they are described as > ³ the engineering corps of the Internet². > > So is this the ³multistakeholder model² that we are discussing? > > Deirdre > > > -- > ³The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -- ³The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From vanda at uol.com.br Thu Apr 3 10:54:23 2014 From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:54:23 -0300 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not from my perception. Multi will need direct interested companies, users companies, interested governments ,interested users, organised civil society + the engineering group. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 16:21 To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee¹s Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-2014040 2-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March ³to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community². Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of ³The Multistakeholder Community². This is the first paragraph of that section: ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet standards under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, Internet users, corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop the technology that makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments that participate in the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the Internet. The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively organized under the international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and all work to create voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks easier. The flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the ³multistakeholder model,² is what has enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, social discourse, and innovation. Apart from ICANN four ³ad hoc groups² are mentioned directly, five if you count ISOC which ³collectively organize[s]² them. There is no denying that each of these five is a ³stakeholder², and, being more than one they qualify as ³multi². However there is no diversity ­ in fact they are described as ³ the engineering corps of the Internet². So is this the ³multistakeholder model² that we are discussing? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 11:00:31 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 11:00:31 -0400 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was my perception too - that "multi"= diversity. But the document I shared, whoever created it :-), suggests a different perception - that "multi" simply equals more than one, many. Looking at things from different perspectives is often helpful in reaching an understanding. Deirdre On 3 April 2014 10:54, Vanda Scartezini wrote: > Not from my perception. Multi will need direct interested companies, users > companies, interested governments ,interested users, organised civil > society + the engineering group. > *Vanda Scartezini* > *Polo Consultores Associados* > *Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004* > *01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil* > *Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 <%2B55%2011%203266.6253>* > *Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 <%2B%2055%2011%2098181.1464> * > > > > > From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" > Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , > "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" > Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 16:21 > To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" > Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model > > The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's > Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing *Ensuring the > Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet > *in > Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also > contains a link to a background memo > http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-20140402-SD002-U1.pdf The > memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and > Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to > transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". > Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The > Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section: > > ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary > Internet standards > > under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from > governments, Internet users, > > corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that > develop the technology that > > makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and > governments that participate in > > the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the > Internet. The Internet > > Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the > Internet Engineering > > Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively > organized under the > > international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers > and all work to create > > voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all > networks easier. The > > flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the > "multistakeholder model," is what has > > enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, > commerce, social discourse, and > > innovation. > > Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you > count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that > each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they > qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are > described as " the engineering corps of the Internet". > > So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? > > Deirdre > > -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ You received > this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.orgTo be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and > functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your > profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 3 12:41:19 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 22:11:19 +0530 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [ICTs-and-Society] Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression-Declaration! In-Reply-To: <533D8210.2080002@uti.at> References: <533D8210.2080002@uti.at> Message-ID: <533D8F2F.9080303@itforchange.net> Some real freedom of information work, which is not merely fronting for economic and political expansionism through the Internet and informational control route... parminder -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ICTs-and-Society] Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression-Declaration! Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:45:20 +0100 From: Christian Fuchs Reply-To: christian.fuchs at uti.at To: discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net The information society, the Internet and the media are today largely controlled by large corporations such as Google and Facebook and a state-industrial complex. The control mechanisms unveiled by Edward Snowden, the closure of and attack against public service media, repression against critcal journalists, online platforms and activists, and a highly centralised Internet and media economy are characteristic for this situation. We live in an unfree information society with limits to expression and an unfree Internet. Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression Declaration that demands a free Internet, free media and a free information society! The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression Sign: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/ More information and videos of talks from the Freedom of Information Conference: http://freedom-of-information.info/ https://www.youtube.com/user/transformeurope/feed ----------------------- The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression This petition can be signed online at https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/ We, the speakers of the Vienna 2014 International Conference “Freedom of Information Under Pressure. Control – Crisis – Culture” (comprised of international academics, media practitioners, librarians, experts of open culture and public space, activists, critical citizens, lawyers and policy makers), sign the following Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression: Having met in Vienna of Austria on 28 February and 1 March 2014 and having discussed the challenges of freedom of information in the light of the recent surveillance revelations and the increase in censorship and prosecutions of media, journalists and whistle-blowers in Europe and beyond, we express our deep concern and appeal for public vigilance to defend freedom of information and expression as key democratic rights. We consider Edward Snowden’s revelations as a wake up call. His story is not about one man leaking classified information; rather it is about privacy, civil liberties, power and democracy. But also about the future of the Internet itself, the nature of democratic oversight - and much more. We condemn the existence of a surveillance-industrial complex, in which the American, British and other European states’ intelligence services conduct mass surveillance of the Internet, social media, mobile and landline telephones, in co-operation with communications corporations such as Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Skype, Yahoo!, Aol as well as private security firms. We express our solidarity and support to whistle-blowers, journalists and organisations, including Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian and others, for their efforts towards fostering transparency and public accountability. We denounce their oppression and prosecution that we consider as a major threat to freedom of information. We observe a great paradox of the media in the 21st century: although more people than ever have the means to express themselves freely, there are huge power asymmetries that favour corporate and state control of the media: journalists in Europe and many other regions face an alarming increase in violent attacks, intimidation, legal threats and other restrictions on their work. Among the important factors of this paradox are the growth of anti-terrorism laws and new nationalisms, the fusion of political, economic and media power, and the weakening of the authority of critical and high-quality media, including independent media, investigative journalism and public service media. Furthermore, the Internet and social media are largely controlled by corporations and there is not enough material support for alternative Internet and media projects. This mix seems to represent an existential challenge to critical media, independent journalism and to the established framework of international laws and safeguards for press freedom and the freedoms of expression, speech, information and opinion. We point out that the current crisis and austerity policies have a serious negative effect on important democratic freedoms. The official political reactions to the crisis have given grounds for the further centralisation of corporate, state and media power that undermine the freedom of information and further the prosecutions of citizens, activists, journalists and the media. We particularly condemn attempts to limit or close down critical, independent and public service media. The Greek government’s closure of the public service broadcaster ERT is in this respect a particularly alarming development. We stress that under the conditions of corporatisation and bureaucratisation, the potentials created by access to information and public knowledge are hampered. In many countries and at a transnational level we lack adequate laws for the transparency of corporate and state power and citizens’ access to information about it in order to hold those in power accountable. A particularly alarming development of the limitation of freedom of information can be found in the world of libraries: large corporate publishers tend to license access to academic and literary works only in expensive bundles and make the access to easy-to-use e-books difficult and expensive. The result is a limit of public access to cultural works so that people have more and more to rely on purchasing books and articles, which is a matter of purchasing power that disadvantages many citizens. The corporate power of publishing houses thereby limits the public’s right to inform itself. We consider that the right of access to information can promote citizens’ civic and political participation by raising their levels of trust in political and policy-making institutions, while it can fight phenomena such as lobbying and corruption. Open access to public and digitised knowledge and scholarly research is also crucial for the continuous education of the broader public and professionals, the promotion of cultural production and diversity and the preservation of the historic and collective memory. New social media, libraries and archives can and should play an important role in this field. We are convinced that freedom of information is a value worth struggling for and that the current framework and developments strongly threaten freedom, democracy and basic civil liberties. A free culture, a free economy of information and a free polity of information are possible! First signees: Antonis Broumas (Attorney at law, Digital Liberation Network, Greece) Arne Hintz (Lecturer, University of Cardiff, UK) Augustine Zenakos (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece) Barbara Trionfi (Press Freedom Manager, International Press Institute) Christian Fuchs (Professor of Social Media, University of Westminster, UK) Dimitris Tsapogas (Researcher, University of Vienna, Austria) Gerfried Sperl (Journalist, PHOENIX, Austria) Gill Phillips (Director of Editorial Legal Service, The Guardian, United Kingdom) Joachim Losehand (Scholar, VIBE!at, Austria) Kostas Arvanitis (Journalist and Director, Sto Kokkino Radio, Greece) Kostas Efimeros (Publisher, The Press Project, Greece) Lisa Schilhan (VÖB, University of Graz, Austria) Mariniki Alevizopoulou (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece) Minas Samatas (Professor, University of Crete, Greece) Miyase Christensen (Professor, Stockholm University, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden, London School of Economics, UK) Nikolaus Hamann (Vienna Public Libraries, KRIBIBI, Austria) Paloma Fernández de la Hoz (Catholic Social Academy, Austria) _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:14:15 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:14:15 -0700 Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03f701cf4f60$241f4ec0$6c5dec40$@gmail.com> I think the operative term there is not "multi" but "stakeholder" and the use of that term rather than referring for example to "the Internet as a global public good" tells it all I think. M From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Deirdre Williams Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 8:01 AM To: Vanda Scartezini Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholder model That was my perception too - that "multi"= diversity. But the document I shared, whoever created it :-), suggests a different perception - that "multi" simply equals more than one, many. Looking at things from different perspectives is often helpful in reaching an understanding. Deirdre On 3 April 2014 10:54, Vanda Scartezini wrote: Not from my perception. Multi will need direct interested companies, users companies, interested governments ,interested users, organised civil society + the engineering group. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 at 16:21 To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" Subject: [governance] Multistakeholder model The U.S. House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee's Subcommittee on Communications and Technology's hearing Ensuring the Security, Stability, Resilience, and Freedom of the Global Internet in Washington DC has just finished. The information about the hearing also contains a link to a background memo http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF16/20140402/102044/HHRG-113-IF16-2014040 2-SD002-U1.pdf The memo gives the background leading up to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) announcement of 14th March "to transition the IANA functions to the global multi-stakeholder community". Pages 3/ 4 of the memo give a four paragraph explanation of "The Multistakeholder Community". This is the first paragraph of that section: ICANN, as well as the groups that oversee the creation of voluntary Internet standards under the auspices of the Internet Society, receive input from governments, Internet users, corporations investing in the Internet, academics, and engineers that develop the technology that makes the Internet possible. In addition to the corporations and governments that participate in the process, a series of ad hoc groups form the engineering corps of the Internet. The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering Steering Group, and the Internet Research Task Force, now collectively organized under the international non-profit Internet Society (ISOC), are run by volunteers and all work to create voluntary standards for Internet users to make interconnection of all networks easier. The flexibility of this governance structure, referred to as the "multistakeholder model," is what has enabled the explosive growth of the Internet as a driver of jobs, commerce, social discourse, and innovation. Apart from ICANN four "ad hoc groups" are mentioned directly, five if you count ISOC which "collectively organize[s]" them. There is no denying that each of these five is a "stakeholder", and, being more than one they qualify as "multi". However there is no diversity - in fact they are described as " the engineering corps of the Internet". So is this the "multistakeholder model" that we are discussing? Deirdre -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:14:15 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 10:14:15 -0700 Subject: [governance] Net Neutrality: A Great Step Forward for the Free Internet! Message-ID: <040101cf4f60$25b2e710$7118b530$@gmail.com> Net Neutrality: A Great Step Forward for the Free Internet! Submitted on 3 Apr 2014 - 11:46 http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-f ree-internet Brussels, 3 April 2014 — Today the European Parliament adopted in first reading the Regulation on the Single Telecoms Market. By amending the text with the proposal of amendments made by the Social-Democrats (S&D), Greens (Greens/EFA), United Left (GUE/NGL) and Liberals (ALDE), the Members of the European Parliament took a historic step for the protection of Net Neutrality and the Internet commons in the European Union. La Quadrature du Net warmly thanks all citizens, organisations and parliamentarians who took part in this campaign, and calls on them to remain mobilised for the rest of the legislative procedure. After years of inaction and only a few months before the end of her term in office, EU Commissioner Neelie Kroes1 presented a proposal for the regulation of the Telecom Single Market in Europe in September 2013. Although it claimed to contain a real defence of Net Neutrality, it in fact introduced a version of the principle that stripped it of all real meaning. Despite much criticism2, Kroes rushed the adoption by the European Parliament so that it could be voted before the European elections of May 2014. This positive vote is the direct result of a very strong citizen mobilisation3 and the constructive work of Amelia Andersdotter (Greens/EFA – SE), Catherine Trautmann (S&D – FR), Petra Kammerevert (S&D – DE) and Marietje Schaake (ALDE – NL). The adopted text contains a rigorous definition of Net Neutrality and grants it a normative scope4. While allowing telecom operators to develop offers of Internet access with a quality of service optimised for specific applications that could not run effectively on the so-called "best-effort" Internet, this text provides a good framework for "specialised services" that ensures non-discrimination between the providers of such applications5. Support La Quadrature du Net! Even if some amendments that aimed to give the text greater coherence and clarity or lay out stronger enforcement mechanisms were not adopted, the text passed today represents a clear victory for the protection of the free Internet. This is especially true in comparison of Neelie Kroes' original proposal. La Quadrature du Net warmly thanks all citizens and organisations who took part in this campaign for Net Neutrality, as well as the MEPs who fought hard for the free Internet in the last days of their mandate. In the coming weeks, as the legislative procedure on the regulation will proceed to its next phase, we must maintain the greatest vigilance. It is now to the Council of the European Union (which, along with the European Parliament, is the EU co-legislator), to deliberate next 5 and 6 juin of this year. As national governments are easily influenced by dominant telecom groups, continued public interest and mobilisation is now necessary to ensure that the improvements to the text achieved today are not dismantled6. “Today's victory on Net neutrality is the most important one for the protection of freedom online in Europe since the rejection of ACTA in July 2012. The EU Parliament made clear that the Internet commons should be free of corporate capture, and remain a space where freedom of communication and innovation can thrive. We warmly thank all organisations, citizens, and members of the EU Parliament who worked to achieve this result. We should now all remain watchful for the remainder of the procedure, as the text now goes to the EU Council where many national governments will seek to undermine Net neutrality provisions so as to please their homegrown telecom oligopolies. Even though we won today, the fight for the free Internet continues!” concluded Félix Tréguer, co-founder of the advocacy group La Quadrature du Net. 1. Neelie Kroes is the European Commissioner for “Digital Agenda”. In the months following her appointment as Commissioner in 2010, her position on the question of Net Neutrality evolved from unmitigated support to an alignement with the demands of telecom operators' lobbies. 2. A leaked criticism of a draft by Viviane Reding's services says for example that “such limited possibilities of accessing Internet content and services of their choice would run counter to the stated objectives of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.”: http://www.edri.org/NN-negativeopinions The European Data Protection Supervisor wrote in a press release published on 15 November that Neelie Kroes' proposal voids the principle of Net Neutrality “of substance" "because of the almost unlimited right of providers to manage Internet traffic”. 3. The number of phone calls to MEPs for this vote even surpassed the one for the final vote on ACTA in 2012. 4. See articles 2.14, 23.1 and paragraph 1. 5. See articles 2.15 and 23.2. 6. For instance, only a few hours before today's vote, the French government joined the corporate lobbies to support [FR] a definition of "specialised services" that is incompatible with a real definition of Net Neutrality an the principle of non-discrimiation. This provides an idea of what will be the forces at work in the Council. It is therefore essential not to let this topic leave the public eye and collectively remind national governments of where the public interest lies in the Net Neutrality debate. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joly at punkcast.com Thu Apr 3 16:22:52 2014 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:22:52 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST FRI: The Future of Internet Governance Message-ID: The beat goes on! Another chance to hear Larry and Fadi explain the Fadi plan, but this time with McDowell and Verveer. McDowell, it should be remembered was the first U.S. official to raise the alarmover WCIT. joly posted: "On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson Institute will host a discussion The Future of Internet Governance in Washington DC. The topic will be the IANA transition. Speakers include Assistant Secretary of Commerce Larry Strickling, ICANN CEO Fadi Che" [image: Hudson Institute]On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson Institute will host a discussion *The Future of Internet Governance*in Washington DC. The topic will be the IANA transition . Speakers include Assistant Secretary of Commerce *Larry Strickling*, ICANN CEO *Fadi Chehadé*, former FCC Commissioner *Robert M. McDowell*, and Ambassador *Daniel A. Sepulveda*, who is the U.S. Coordinator for International Communications and Information Policy. The event will be webcast live. *What*: The Future of Internet Governance *Where*: Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C. *When*: Friday April 4 2014 at 11am-12.30pm EDT | 1500-1630 UTC *Webcast*: http://www.hudson.org/ *Twitter*: #iana | @HudsonInstitute Comment See all comments *Permalink*: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6530 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joly at punkcast.com Thu Apr 3 16:25:48 2014 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:25:48 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: WEBCAST FRI: The Future of Internet Governance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Strike Verveer and insert Sepulveda! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Joly MacFie wrote: > > The beat goes on! Another chance to hear Larry and Fadi explain the Fadi > plan, but this time with McDowell and Verveer. McDowell, it should be > remembered was the first U.S. official to raise the alarmover WCIT. > > joly posted: "On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson Institute > will host a discussion The Future of Internet Governance in Washington DC. > The topic will be the IANA transition. Speakers include Assistant Secretary > of Commerce Larry Strickling, ICANN CEO Fadi Che" > > [image: Hudson Institute]On Friday April 4 2014 at 11am EDT the Hudson > Institute will host a discussion *The Future of > Internet Governance*in Washington DC. The topic will be the IANA > transition . Speakers include Assistant > Secretary of Commerce *Larry Strickling*, ICANN CEO *Fadi Chehadé*, > former FCC Commissioner *Robert M. McDowell*, and Ambassador *Daniel A. > Sepulveda*, who is the U.S. Coordinator for International Communications > and Information Policy. The event will be webcast live. > > *What*: The Future of Internet Governance > *Where*: Hudson Institute, Washington, D.C. > *When*: Friday April 4 2014 at 11am-12.30pm EDT | 1500-1630 UTC > *Webcast*: http://www.hudson.org/ > *Twitter*: #iana| > @HudsonInstitute > > Comment See all comments > > > *Permalink*: > http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6530 > > > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com > VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26873603 > Deirdre > > -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <533D8F2F.9080303@itforchange.net> References: <533D8210.2080002@uti.at> <533D8F2F.9080303@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <9D81D5B7-D245-4647-A75E-7044E2287885@hserus.net> The language right at the beginning starts making a set of assumptions that make me reject wanting to sign any part of it without reading further. The fact that you endorse it - with a very similar description that, again, rejects multistakeholderism that involves industry - makes it conclusive. No, I won't touch this "declaration" (or rather vaguely worded rant) with a twenty foot pole, sorry. --srs (iPad) > On 03-Apr-2014, at 22:11, parminder wrote: > > > Some real freedom of information work, which is not merely fronting for economic and political expansionism through the Internet and informational control route... parminder > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [ICTs-and-Society] Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression-Declaration! > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:45:20 +0100 > From: Christian Fuchs > Reply-To: christian.fuchs at uti.at > To: discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net > > The information society, the Internet and the media are today largely > controlled by large corporations such as Google and Facebook and a > state-industrial complex. The control mechanisms unveiled by Edward > Snowden, the closure of and attack against public service media, > repression against critcal journalists, online platforms and activists, > and a highly centralised Internet and media economy are characteristic > for this situation. > > We live in an unfree information society with limits to expression and > an unfree Internet. > > Sign the Freedom of Information and Expression Declaration that demands > a free Internet, free media and a free information society! > > The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression > Sign: > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/ > > More information and videos of talks from the Freedom of Information > Conference: > http://freedom-of-information.info/ > https://www.youtube.com/user/transformeurope/feed > > ----------------------- > > The 2014 Vienna Declaration on Freedom of Information and Expression > > This petition can be signed online at > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_2014_Vienna_Declaration_on_Freedom_of_Information_and_Expression_Petition/ > > > We, the speakers of the Vienna 2014 International Conference “Freedom of > Information Under Pressure. Control – Crisis – Culture” (comprised of > international academics, media practitioners, librarians, experts of > open culture and public space, activists, critical citizens, lawyers and > policy makers), sign the following Declaration on Freedom of Information > and Expression: > > Having met in Vienna of Austria on 28 February and 1 March 2014 and > having discussed the challenges of freedom of information in the light > of the recent surveillance revelations and the increase in censorship > and prosecutions of media, journalists and whistle-blowers in Europe and > beyond, we express our deep concern and appeal for public vigilance to > defend freedom of information and expression as key democratic rights. > > We consider Edward Snowden’s revelations as a wake up call. His story is > not about one man leaking classified information; rather it is about > privacy, civil liberties, power and democracy. But also about the future > of the Internet itself, the nature of democratic oversight - and much more. > > We condemn the existence of a surveillance-industrial complex, in which > the American, British and other European states’ intelligence services > conduct mass surveillance of the Internet, social media, mobile and > landline telephones, in co-operation with communications corporations > such as Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Skype, Yahoo!, Aol as well > as private security firms. > > We express our solidarity and support to whistle-blowers, journalists > and organisations, including Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Chelsea > Manning, Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian and others, for > their efforts towards fostering transparency and public accountability. > We denounce their oppression and prosecution that we consider as a major > threat to freedom of information. > > We observe a great paradox of the media in the 21st century: although > more people than ever have the means to express themselves freely, there > are huge power asymmetries that favour corporate and state control of > the media: journalists in Europe and many other regions face an alarming > increase in violent attacks, intimidation, legal threats and other > restrictions on their work. Among the important factors of this paradox > are the growth of anti-terrorism laws and new nationalisms, the fusion > of political, economic and media power, and the weakening of the > authority of critical and high-quality media, including independent > media, investigative journalism and public service media. Furthermore, > the Internet and social media are largely controlled by corporations and > there is not enough material support for alternative Internet and media > projects. This mix seems to represent an existential challenge to > critical media, independent journalism and to the established framework > of international laws and safeguards for press freedom and the freedoms > of expression, speech, information and opinion. > > We point out that the current crisis and austerity policies have a > serious negative effect on important democratic freedoms. The official > political reactions to the crisis have given grounds for the further > centralisation of corporate, state and media power that undermine the > freedom of information and further the prosecutions of citizens, > activists, journalists and the media. We particularly condemn attempts > to limit or close down critical, independent and public service media. > The Greek government’s closure of the public service broadcaster ERT is > in this respect a particularly alarming development. > > We stress that under the conditions of corporatisation and > bureaucratisation, the potentials created by access to information and > public knowledge are hampered. In many countries and at a transnational > level we lack adequate laws for the transparency of corporate and state > power and citizens’ access to information about it in order to hold > those in power accountable. > > A particularly alarming development of the limitation of freedom of > information can be found in the world of libraries: large corporate > publishers tend to license access to academic and literary works only in > expensive bundles and make the access to easy-to-use e-books difficult > and expensive. The result is a limit of public access to cultural works > so that people have more and more to rely on purchasing books and > articles, which is a matter of purchasing power that disadvantages many > citizens. The corporate power of publishing houses thereby limits the > public’s right to inform itself. > > We consider that the right of access to information can promote > citizens’ civic and political participation by raising their levels of > trust in political and policy-making institutions, while it can fight > phenomena such as lobbying and corruption. Open access to public and > digitised knowledge and scholarly research is also crucial for the > continuous education of the broader public and professionals, the > promotion of cultural production and diversity and the preservation of > the historic and collective memory. New social media, libraries and > archives can and should play an important role in this field. > > We are convinced that freedom of information is a value worth struggling > for and that the current framework and developments strongly threaten > freedom, democracy and basic civil liberties. > > A free culture, a free economy of information and a free polity of > information are possible! > > First signees: > Antonis Broumas (Attorney at law, Digital Liberation Network, Greece) > Arne Hintz (Lecturer, University of Cardiff, UK) > Augustine Zenakos (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece) > Barbara Trionfi (Press Freedom Manager, International Press Institute) > Christian Fuchs (Professor of Social Media, University of Westminster, UK) > Dimitris Tsapogas (Researcher, University of Vienna, Austria) > Gerfried Sperl (Journalist, PHOENIX, Austria) > Gill Phillips (Director of Editorial Legal Service, The Guardian, United > Kingdom) > Joachim Losehand (Scholar, VIBE!at, Austria) > Kostas Arvanitis (Journalist and Director, Sto Kokkino Radio, Greece) > Kostas Efimeros (Publisher, The Press Project, Greece) > Lisa Schilhan (VÖB, University of Graz, Austria) > Mariniki Alevizopoulou (Journalist, UNFOLLOW magazine, Greece) > Minas Samatas (Professor, University of Crete, Greece) > Miyase Christensen (Professor, Stockholm University, Royal Institute of > Technology, Sweden, London School of Economics, UK) > Nikolaus Hamann (Vienna Public Libraries, KRIBIBI, Austria) > Paloma Fernández de la Hoz (Catholic Social Academy, Austria) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net > http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Apr 3 20:13:31 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 05:43:31 +0530 Subject: [governance] Twitter in Turkey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B21D5B4-59D0-415D-B0B3-2D4ABA26DC4C@hserus.net> Right after that, there's a further block ordered on Youtube. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. --srs (iPad) > On 04-Apr-2014, at 4:13, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > > True Justice from the Court. > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26873603 >> Deirdre >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Thu Apr 3 23:47:50 2014 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 20:47:50 -0700 Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good] In-Reply-To: References: <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> On 04/01/2014 05:25 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > My question is this: Is this answer of yours also an answer (if only > indirectly) to the question of DNS as public good. Well, assuming one > can formulate a definition of public good without positively relying on > the concept of property as culturally overloaded as it is -- but then > again if the implication of your repeated answer is that such > formulation of a definition of 'public good' is impossible, then yes > your repeated answer is the only thing I can get. > > Is the unbundling of rights and duties (on specific pieces/instances of > the DNS) the only way you see fit for the question of the DNS (as a > whole) as possible public good, too? Almost any given thing is a blend of useful/good and bad - rights to benefit from that thing in some way and obligations that arise. (We often tend to overlook those obligations.) Sometimes those benefits accrue to - and obligations fall upon - each individual person equally or upon all of us as a community. I would suggest that those kinds of things are "public" values. Other times those benefits and obligations are more focused on a single identifiable person (a natural human or a legal creation such as a corporation). I would suggest that those kind of things are "private" values. When we talk about private property we tend to mean things that land mostly in that latter category, but still (we hope) remember that even the most private of things tends to be subject to the public in some way (often in some way that occurs more as an exception rather than the norm.) So the problem I've wrestled with is what kind of principles can we use to balance those public interests with the private ones. Here's what I came up with: First Law of the Internet http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000059.html + Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way that is privately beneficial without being publicly detrimental. - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall be on those who wish to prevent the private use. - Such a demonstration shall require clear and convincing evidence of public detriment. - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent as to justify the suppression of the private activity. I have found this useful. However, it represents a balance between "me" and "we" that tends to favor the former over the latter. That may be a balance that reflects my US/Canadian roots. It would not surprise me to learn that people from other cultures would strike a different balance. To my mind, finding these kinds of statements of principle would be useful to help us navigate our way through the maze of choices that we have to make as we figure out how to govern - or not govern - various aspects of the internet. --karl-- -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nnenna75 at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 02:52:17 2014 From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 06:52:17 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Re: [IRPCoalition] IGF Assessments Call for information In-Reply-To: References: <533A8789.20407@apc.org> Message-ID: There is something unsettling to me about this call. And I have been debating with my self: 1. Why is IGF asking for "actions and decisions" now? 2. Why are actions being requested in a forum whose main objective is to "discuss"? 3. Why only "the current slate"? 4. Are we looking at only the "UN" IGFs or regional, subregional or even country IGFs? 5. If a meeting held on margin of an IGF led to some action, can that be reported? TOL (Thinking Out Loud) N On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Fatima Cambronero < fatimacambronero at gmail.com> wrote: > *(Sorry for cross posting. It includes a correct email address to send > your comments).* > > > > *The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the > Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet > governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform > for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible > solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and > disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions.* > > > > *Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested that no > actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that it > is just a "talk shop".* > > > > *In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the > IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and decisions > that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the > engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs > (international, regional or national).* > > > > *In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and > institutions that would be willing to share information, on a voluntary > basis, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a result > of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 > IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF Secretariat (* > *discussion_questions at intgovforum.org**) > by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat will compile all information received and > will present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF.* > > > > *Thank you for your participation* > > > > *Janis Karklins* > > *Interim Chair of the MAG* > > > > > 2014-04-01 6:31 GMT-03:00 Anriette Esterhuysen : > >> Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if >> possible. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for >> information Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300 From: Janis Karklins >> To: >> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >> >> Dear MAG members, >> As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for >> information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been >> taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs. >> Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization >> provide a brief account. >> Thank you >> JK >> >> >> >> The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the >> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on >> Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide >> a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and >> possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify >> and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions. >> >> >> >> Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no >> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that >> it is just a "talk shop". >> >> >> >> In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the >> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and >> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the >> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national). >> >> >> >> In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and >> institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary >> basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a >> result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, >> 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat >> will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report >> at the Istanbul IGF. >> >> >> >> Thank you for your participation >> >> >> >> Janis Karklins >> >> Interim Chair of the MAG >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IRP mailing list >> IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org >> https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp >> >> > > > -- > *Fatima Cambronero* > Abogada-Argentina > > Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 > Twitter: @facambronero > Skype: fatima.cambronero > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Why is IGF asking for "actions and decisions" now? > 2. Why are actions being requested in a forum whose main objective is > to "discuss"? > Since you asked, let me be frank if blunt... Because there is a great amount of activity and discussion going on about gaps in global governance of the Internet with regard to public policy 'making' (the enhanced cooperation debate) and there is much effort to posit the argument that 'the IGF is enough' , whereby no specific public policy 'making' mechanism is needed. And since you rightly point out, IGF is to 'discuss' and that should normally not be enough, a somewhat desperate case is being made out that such discussions have led to necessary actions (and thus IGF is enough) I agree, it is unsettling. IGF and its duty holders should stay neutral in this larger debate and not support any one side . They should just to their job, which is to convene and inefficiently run a global multistakeholder public policy dialogue parminder > > 1. Why only "the current slate"? > 2. Are we looking at only the "UN" IGFs or regional, subregional or > even country IGFs? > 3. If a meeting held on margin of an IGF led to some action, can that > be reported? > > TOL (Thinking Out Loud) > > > N > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Fatima Cambronero > > wrote: > > *(Sorry for cross posting. It includes a correct email address to > send your comments).* > > > * > * > > /The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on > the Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform > on Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to > provide a platform for information exchange, identify emerging > challenges and possible solutions to addressing them, provide > capacity building, identify and disseminate best practices and > forge partnerships for concrete actions./ > > // > > /Over the past few years, some sceptics of the IGF have suggested > that no actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at > the IGF - that it is just a "talk shop"./ > > // > > /In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" > of the IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete > actions and decisions that have been taken by different > stakeholders as a result of the engagement and discussions of > Internet related issues at the various IGFs (international, > regional or national)./ > > // > > /In this respect, I would like to invite all of those > organizations and institutions that would be willing to share > information, *on a voluntary basis*, about concrete decisions or > actions that have been taken as a result of engagement during the > current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so > by sending brief information to the IGF Secretariat > (//discussion_questions at intgovforum.org/ > /) by 30 June 2014. > The Secretariat will compile all information received and will > present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF./ > > // > > /Thank you for your participation/ > > // > > /Janis Karklins/ > > /Interim Chair of the MAG/ > > > > 2014-04-01 6:31 GMT-03:00 Anriette Esterhuysen >: > > Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good > if possible. > > Anriette > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for information > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300 > From: Janis Karklins > > To: igfmaglist at intgovforum.org > > > > > > Dear MAG members, > As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the > call for information concerning the concrete actions and > decisions that have been taken as a result of the engagement > at the various IGFs. > Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage > organization provide a brief account. > Thank you > JK > > The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit > on the Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion > platform on Internet governance related issues. The goals of > the IGF are to provide a platform for information exchange, > identify emerging challenges and possible solutions to > addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and > disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete > actions. > > Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have > suggested that no actions have been taken and that no > decisions are made at the IGF - that it is just a "talk shop". > > In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action > orientation" of the IGF it would be useful to collect data > about concrete actions and decisions that have been taken by > different stakeholders as a result of the engagement and > discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs > (international, regional or national). > > In this respect, I would like to invite all of those > organizations and institutions that would be willing to share > information, *on a voluntary basis*, about concrete decisions > or actions that have been taken as a result of engagement > during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 and 2013 > IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGF > Secretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The > Secretariat will compile all information received and will > present a synthesized report at the Istanbul IGF. > > Thank you for your participation > > Janis Karklins > > Interim Chair of the MAG > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IRP mailing list > IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org > > https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp > > > > > -- > /*Fatima Cambronero*/ > Abogada-Argentina > > Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 > Twitter: @facambronero > Skype: fatima.cambronero > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IRP mailing list > IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org > https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 05:16:37 2014 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:16:37 +0000 Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good] In-Reply-To: <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> References: <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote: > > Here's what I came up with: > > First Law of the Internet > http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000059.html > > + Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way > that is privately beneficial without being publicly > detrimental. > > - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall > be on those who wish to prevent the private use. > > - Such a demonstration shall require clear and > convincing evidence of public detriment. > > - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent > as to justify the suppression of the private activity. > > I have found this useful. However, it represents a balance between "me" > and "we" that tends to favor the former over the latter. That may be a > balance that reflects my US/Canadian roots. It would not surprise me to > learn that people from other cultures would strike a different balance. > > To my mind, finding these kinds of statements of principle would be > useful to help us navigate our way through the maze of choices that we > have to make as we figure out how to govern - or not govern - various > aspects of the internet. > Thanks! m. > > --karl-- > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <531D9366.9060301@ITforChange.net> References: <531D9366.9060301@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: <533E85B3.3040701@ITforChange.net> In an earlier mail (below), I had discussed the need for the Google search engine (as the de facto organiser of the worlds information for most of us, hence the gatekeeper) to be functioning on a public accountability (and hence transparency) mode. This will include public participation in the algorithm design, social/public/community audit of the algorithm to ensure there is no distortions being inserted in the algorithms to feed political/economic vested interests etc.... http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/22838-facebook-and-the-future-of-global-governance discusses similar ideas regarding Facebook, which is fulfilling a critical social function, and hence, cannot be dictated purely by private profit considerations alone.... While article also makes some suggestions on ways forward, it is perhaps more important to first acknowledge that these are important points for global public policy making relating to IG.... and then discuss possibilities from a public interest advancement perspective. regards Guru On 03/10/2014 03:56 PM, Guru गुरु wrote: > Dear all, > > Not clear, how in Multistakeholderism, where the private sector has an > equal footing in public policy making, we will get Google to agree > that its search algorithm, as the key factor organising the worlds > information/knowledge for all of us, needs to be public knowledge, not > a commercial secret. The need for it to be public knowledge stems from > privacy/surveillance concerns, because such fundamental knowledge > ought to be available as 'cultural commons' that others can > take/re-use/revise, fostering competition etc. > > regards, > Guru > > Google faces Rs 30,500-cr fine in India > New Delhi, PTI: March 9, 2014 > > Google can face a penalty of up to about $5 billion if it is found to > have violated competition norms of the country. Google, which is > facing anti-trust investigation in India by fair trade watchdog > Competition Commission of India (CCI), can face a penalty of up to > about $5 billion (Rs 30,500 crore) if it is found to have violated > competition norms of the country. > > Google said it is “extending full cooperation” to the CCI in its > investigation. The conclusion of a two-year review by the US antitrust > watchdog has concluded that the company's services were good for > competition, it added. The case has been before the CCI for over two > years now, and it relates to allegations that Google is abusing its > dominant position. Under competition regulations, an entity found > violating the norms could be slapped with penalty of up to 10 per cent > of its three-year annual average turnover. In the case of Google, its > annual revenues in the last three years amounts to a staggering $49.3 > billion (Rs 3.01 lakh crore), and the maximum penalty can be up to > nearly $5 billion. > > When asked about the ongoing probe and the potential penalty, a Google > spokesperson said: “We are extending full co-operation to the > Competition Commission of India in their investigation.” The emailed > statement added: “We're pleased that the conclusion of the Federal > Trade Commission's two-year review was that Google's services are good > for users and good for competition.” > > A complaint filed with the CCI cannot be withdrawn. The complaint > against Google, also one of the world's most valued company, was first > filed by advocacy group CUTS International way back in late 2011. > Later. Matrimonial website matrimony.com Private Ltd also filed a > complaint. Last year, CCI chairman Ashok Chawla had said the complaint > was that the Google search engine favours platforms it wants to support. > > “That is, when you click on Google under a certain category, you will > get the platforms where there is a tendency to put them in a certain > order which may not be the fair and non-discriminatory. So, *what is > the software and what is the algorithmic search, (that is) what the > investigation team is looking at,” *Chawla had said. > > source - > http://www.deccanherald.com/content/390977/google-faces-rs-30500-cr.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We invite you to review the Table of Contents here and then visit our web site to review articles and items of interest. We also invite you to an online launch of the special issue of the Journal of Community Informatics (JoCI) on the First Mile of Broadband Connectivity - Communities Doing It for Themselves. Authors will speak about their research and the communities they are working with. We will also launch the Community Informatics declaration: An Internet for the Common Good. Please join us for this exciting and informative event by watching the live stream and participating in the chat. The event will go live at 15:30 Atlantic Canada time on April 4: http://live.knet.ca/fni Thanks for the continuing interest in our work, Michael Gurstein Ph.D. Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics, Vancouver CANADA Phone 604-602-0624 gurstein at gmail.com The Journal of Community Informatics Vol 10, No 2 (2014): Special Issue: Building the First Mile Table of Contents http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/issue/view/43 Editorial -------- The First Mile of Brodband Connectivity in Communities: Introduction to the Special Issue Rob McMahon, Duncan Philpot, Susan O'Donnell, Brian Beaton, Tim Whiteduck, Kevin Burton, Michael Gurstein The Multistakeholder Model, Neo-liberalism and Global (Internet) Governance Michael Gurstein Points of View -------- The Ecology of Community Networking Richard Lowenberg Articles -------- The First Mile Approach to Community Services in Fort Severn First Nation Matthew Kakekaspan, Susan O'Donnell, Brian Beaton, Brian Walmark, Kerri Gibson Bridging the Divide: Understanding and Implementing Access to the Internet as a Human Right Michael Karanicolas Understanding Broadband Infrastructure Development in Remote and Rural Communities – a Staged and Reflexive Approach Ingjerd Skogseid, Ivar Petter Grøtte, Geir Liavåg Strand First Mile Challenges to Last Mile Rhetoric: Exploring the Discourse between Remote and Rural First Nations and the Telecom Industry Duncan Philpot, Brian Beaton, Tim Whiteduck ICT for sustainable development: an example from Cambodia Helena Grunfeld >From the First Mile to Outer Space: Tamaani Satellite Internet in Northern Quebec Rob McMahon, Thomassie Mangiok Opportunities and Challenges for First-mile Development in Rural Hawaiian Communities Jenifer Sunrise Winter, Wayne Buente, Patricia Amaral Buskirk Developing an e-Community Approach to Community Services in Kitigan Zibi Anishinabeg First Nation Gilbert Whiteduck, Anita Tenasco, Susan O'Donnell, Tim Whiteduck, Emily Lockhart Local Communities and Home Rule: Extending the Alberta SuperNet to Unserved Areas Nadine I Kozak The Cancellation of the Community Access Program and the Digital Divide(s) in Canada: Lessons Learned and Future Prospects Chris Blanton An African Rural Internet Network, and its interactions with Academics Gertjan van Stam, Darelle van Greunen Notes from the field -------- Building Broadband Infrastructure from the Grassroots: the Case of Home LANs in Belarus Aljona Zorina, William H. Dutton GoFred: Municipally-Owned ICT Utilities in Fredericton, New Brunswick Mike Richard, Duncan Philpot Rural Communications – What is a Rural Municipality’s Role? Allan Bly Building First Nation Owned and Managed Fibre Networks across Quebec Tim Whiteduck, Brian Beaton Settler Colonialism and First Nations e-Communities in Northwestern Ontario Brian Beaton, Peter Campbell Information and Communication Technology for Education in an Algonquin First Nation in Quebec Emily Lockhart, Anita Tenasco, Tim Whiteduck, Susan O'Donnell The First Mile Connectivity Consortium and Digital Regulation in Canada Rob McMahon, Heather Hudson, Lyle Fabian ________________________________________________________________________ The Journal of Community Informatics http://www.ci-journal.net -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 13:42:32 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 13:42:32 -0400 Subject: [governance] FYI, An internet governance model for the 21st century Message-ID: http://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/twt/archive/view/198543 -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From garth.graham at telus.net Fri Apr 4 14:40:54 2014 From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 11:40:54 -0700 Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good] In-Reply-To: <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> References: <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> Message-ID: <975F2E9D-B4F6-4ED3-82E2-E9AD06A1AC42@telus.net> While I admire the clarity of your first law, it feels to me that, when you define the corporate as a person and then state an onus on other "persons" to prove that a corporate action leads to public detriment, you get something backwards, particularly with respect to obligation, responsibility and accountability . And, as an aside re values, I see obligation as a corollary of the Golden Rule. In common law, the relation of the individual to the state still remains - that which is not stated is not implied. As a Canadian, I am aware that my fellow Canadians often delay acting on their obligations because there might be a rule somewhere that forbids it. That transference of responsibility on to the other is the dark side of being "nice." But the fact remains that, absent a rule that says otherwise, we are free to act without permission, keeping in mind that action has consequence for which we are responsible. This is not true for corporations. They do become corporate within a framework of statutory instruments and regulations and so their authority to act can be and often is circumscribed by the state in many ways, particularly with respect to primary purpose. I mention this because I want to introduce an aspect of accountability that nation states do not usually include in their authorization of incorporation. This is an aspect of accountability that is also absent from discussions of Internet Governance. This the obligation of decision-makers in corporations (and in governments, and in the decision makers in the Internet Governance ecosystem) to explain their intentions and reasons publicly, fully and fairly. BEFORE THEY ACT. It is a responsibility of corporate management to provide adequate public explanation before the fact that they have addressed both the issue of the prevention of harm and the impact question of who benefits and who pays. They are not free to act first and seek forgiveness later. True, we do't demand or legislate they they do this, but we could and should. Explanation before the fact has certain benefits (public goods): - It reduces driving forces reasonably seen as harmful - It allows for an action to define in advance its own standard by which it's effectiveness and fairness can be measured after the fact. - It allows knowledgeable citizen organizations and individuals to sensibly and publicly challenge those intentions and reasons. For example, while ICANN does have an elaborate "community" process of challenge and response related to its policy intentions before the fact of deciding them, its internal discussions of accountability still only assume after the fact explanations of its actions. ICANN has achieved a degree of effective process of accountability before the fact without including that process in its contemplation of mechanisms of accountability. When you say, "Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way that is privately beneficial without being publicly detrimental," that feels to me like another acceptable corollary of the Golden Rule. But then saying, "the burden of demonstrating public detriment (falls) on those who wish to prevent the private use," would seem to me to preclude the resolution of the impact question of who benefits and who pays before the fact of action. Who benefits and who pays if we do that? GG On 2014-04-03, at 8:47 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote: > Almost any given thing is a blend of useful/good and bad - rights to > benefit from that thing in some way and obligations that arise. (We > often tend to overlook those obligations.) > > Sometimes those benefits accrue to - and obligations fall upon - each > individual person equally or upon all of us as a community. I would > suggest that those kinds of things are "public" values. > > Other times those benefits and obligations are more focused on a single > identifiable person (a natural human or a legal creation such as a > corporation). I would suggest that those kind of things are "private" > values. > > When we talk about private property we tend to mean things that land > mostly in that latter category, but still (we hope) remember that even > the most private of things tends to be subject to the public in some way > (often in some way that occurs more as an exception rather than the norm.) > > So the problem I've wrestled with is what kind of principles can we use > to balance those public interests with the private ones. > > Here's what I came up with: > > First Law of the Internet > http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000059.html > > + Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way > that is privately beneficial without being publicly > detrimental. > > - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall > be on those who wish to prevent the private use. > > - Such a demonstration shall require clear and > convincing evidence of public detriment. > > - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent > as to justify the suppression of the private activity. > > I have found this useful. However, it represents a balance between "me" > and "we" that tends to favor the former over the latter. That may be a > balance that reflects my US/Canadian roots. It would not surprise me to > learn that people from other cultures would strike a different balance. > > To my mind, finding these kinds of statements of principle would be > useful to help us navigate our way through the maze of choices that we > have to make as we figure out how to govern - or not govern - various > aspects of the internet. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From remmyn at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 15:21:27 2014 From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 20:21:27 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGF Assessments Call for information In-Reply-To: <533A8789.20407@apc.org> References: <533A8789.20407@apc.org> Message-ID: thanks, seen On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if possible. > > Anriette > > > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for > information Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300 From: Janis Karklins > To: > igfmaglist at intgovforum.org > > Dear MAG members, > As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for > information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been > taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs. > Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization > provide a brief account. > Thank you > JK > > > > The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the > Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on Internet > governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide a platform > for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and possible > solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify and > disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions. > > > > Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no > actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that > it is just a "talk shop". > > > > In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the > IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and > decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the > engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national). > > > > In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and > institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary > basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a > result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, 2012 > and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. The Secretariat > will compile all information received and will present a synthesized report > at the Istanbul IGF. > > > > Thank you for your participation > > > > Janis Karklins > > Interim Chair of the MAG > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- REMMY NWEKE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd (publishers of) DigitalSENSE Business News; ITREALMS, NaijaAgroNet (Multiple-award winning medium) Published by: DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms [Member, NIRA Executive Board] Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria NDS Forum on Internet Governance for Development (IG4D) 2014< http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>- June 5 Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable 2014 - June 6 @Welcome Centre Hotels. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Fri Apr 4 15:46:54 2014 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 12:46:54 -0700 Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good] In-Reply-To: <975F2E9D-B4F6-4ED3-82E2-E9AD06A1AC42@telus.net> References: <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> <975F2E9D-B4F6-4ED3-82E2-E9AD06A1AC42@telus.net> Message-ID: <533F0C2E.6020208@cavebear.com> On 04/04/2014 11:40 AM, Garth Graham wrote: > While I admire the clarity of your first law, it feels to me that, when you define the corporate as a person... I'd be among the last to want to assert that corporate forms are persons. ;-) Take a look at http://cavebear.com/amendment/ But in the context of my "first law" formulation, I accept that corporations are things that use the internet and that they should have some ability parallel to that of natural humans to have private interests and use the internet to advance those private interests - as long as there is not a strong, concrete public interest to the contrary. You mentioned measuring the benefits in advance of action. I don't see how that can work, particularly on the internet where it is difficult to foresee benefits and malafits (that's a word I made up to mean the opposite of a benefit). Indeed, back in the late 1960's when the ideas of packet switching were bouncing around (pun intended) the circuit switching telcos were very actively trying to suppress those ideas by claiming that they would damage the circuit switched universe. Had it been necessary to make a prediction at that time of the value of packet switching we might never had had an IP based internet. It is also interesting to look at the Hush-A-Phone case from which I derived much of the original notion of the "first law" that I formulated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush-A-Phone_v._United_States --karl-- -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From garth.graham at telus.net Fri Apr 4 16:30:44 2014 From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 13:30:44 -0700 Subject: [governance] DNS [Property or Public Good] In-Reply-To: <533F0C2E.6020208@cavebear.com> References: <53362153.7040806@cavebear.com> <53369CDF.9090405@wzb.eu> <533E2B66.2060109@cavebear.com> <975F2E9D-B4F6-4ED3-82E2-E9AD06A1AC42@telus.net> <533F0C2E.6020208@cavebear.com> Message-ID: <7DE545EA-E82E-484C-8553-93677088B010@telus.net> On 2014-04-04, at 12:46 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote: > You mentioned measuring the benefits in advance of action. I don't see how that can work, particularly on the internet where it is difficult to foresee benefits and malafits (that's a word I made up to mean the opposite of a benefit). Not quite. I mentioned that explanation before the fact … allows for an action to define in advance its own standard by which it's effectiveness and fairness can be measured after the fact. GG -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From soekpe at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 18:22:41 2014 From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 23:22:41 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGF Assessments Call for information In-Reply-To: References: <533A8789.20407@apc.org> Message-ID: Discussions lead to decisions and actions. Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Remmy Nweke wrote: > thanks, seen > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> Dear all this is important. Compiled responses would be good if >> possible. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IGFmaglist] Call for >> information Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:07:12 +0300 From: Janis Karklins >> To: >> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >> >> Dear MAG members, >> As we discussed during the last conference call pls see the call for >> information concerning the concrete actions and decisions that have been >> taken as a result of the engagement at the various IGFs. >> Pls disseminate this call as wide as possible and encourage organization >> provide a brief account. >> Thank you >> JK >> >> >> >> The Internet Governance Forum was created by the World Summit on the >> Information Society as a multistakeholder discussion platform on >> Internet governance related issues. The goals of the IGF are to provide >> a platform for information exchange, identify emerging challenges and >> possible solutions to addressing them, provide capacity building, identify >> and disseminate best practices and forge partnerships for concrete actions. >> >> >> >> Over the past few years, some critics of the IGF have suggested that no >> actions have been taken and that no decisions are made at the IGF - that >> it is just a "talk shop". >> >> >> >> In order to dissipate those doubts about the "action orientation" of the >> IGF it would be useful to collect data about concrete actions and >> decisions that have been taken by different stakeholders as a result of the >> engagement and discussions of Internet related issues at the various IGFs(international, regional or national). >> >> >> >> In this respect, I would like to invite all of those organizations and >> institutions that would be willing to share information, *on a voluntary >> basis*, about concrete decisions or actions that have been taken as a >> result of engagement during the current mandate of the IGF the 2011, >> 2012 and 2013 IGFs to do so by sending brief information to the IGFSecretariat (insert the e-mail address) by 30 June 2014. 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The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in Istanbul and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely. Sincerely yours, Andrey Shcherbovich -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 19:59:48 2014 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 11:59:48 +1200 Subject: [governance] Workshop on 'Big Data and Human Rights' In-Reply-To: <5666551396651521@web23m.yandex.ru> References: <5666551396651521@web23m.yandex.ru> Message-ID: Andrey wondering whether you would be interested in inviting a perspective from the World Bank and can hook you up witb their Big Data specialist. Really awesome that you are organising a ws in this. Sala On 5 Apr 2014 10:45, "Shcherbovich Andrey" wrote: > Dear Colleagues! > > The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big > Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in > Istanbul and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this > topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely. > > Sincerely yours, > Andrey Shcherbovich > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca Sat Apr 5 00:14:16 2014 From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 00:14:16 -0400 Subject: [governance] Workshop on 'Big Data and Human Rights' In-Reply-To: <5666551396651521@web23m.yandex.ru> References: <5666551396651521@web23m.yandex.ru> Message-ID: <0534C0AA-DBF9-40A5-AB79-D4EA4FC78C49@mail.utoronto.ca> I am very interested in this topic, on the data protection side, and am writing about it. I have not figured out how to get funding for the Istanbul conference as yet, but would gladly join the workshop either in person or remotely. Stephanie Perrin Canada On 2014-04-04, at 6:45 PM, Shcherbovich Andrey wrote: > Dear Colleagues! > > The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in Istanbul and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely. > > Sincerely yours, > Andrey Shcherbovich > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat Apr 5 05:38:09 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 15:08:09 +0530 Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested Message-ID: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information about how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person with this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to provide it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has received an email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for the meeting.) It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants who were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ considered? Whether there are other funders too making such a direct approach? Who are the funders and what amounts have been committed? If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind of funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, especially those who work in their own activity area , and under what conditions. I request early information on the above since the person who has asked for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting. Thanks parminder PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change have been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 06:27:55 2014 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin Schombe) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 12:27:55 +0200 Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested In-Reply-To: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hello Parminder, the process was as follows: 1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked, among other things if candidate needed a partial or total load; 1.2 Once registration is approved, secretrariat of NetMundial has notified candidates.; 3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application; 4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of hotel by applicant and receives information about support for the stay in Sao Paolo during the summit. 4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN constituency contacted the candidate. So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by NetMundial secretariat. 2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder : > Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought > funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information about > how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person with > this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to provide > it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has received an > email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for > the meeting.) > > It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process > worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants who > were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual > funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a > centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ considered? > Whether there are other funders too making such a direct approach? Who are > the funders and what amounts have been committed? > > If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant > declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential > problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind of > funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, especially > those who work in their own activity area , and under what conditions. > > I request early information on the above since the person who has asked > for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early > decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting. > > Thanks > > parminder > > PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change have > been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECCOORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat Apr 5 06:38:54 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:08:54 +0530 Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested In-Reply-To: References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> On Saturday 05 April 2014 03:57 PM, Baudouin Schombe wrote: > Hello Parminder, > > the process was as follows: > > 1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked, > among other things if candidate needed a partial or total load; > 1.2 Once registration is approved, secretrariat of NetMundial has > notified candidates.; > 3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application; > 4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of > hotel by applicant and receives information about support for the > stay in Sao Paolo during the summit. > 4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for > resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN > constituency contacted the candidate. Thanks Baudouin, This is the set of information available at the participant end, which I already know, and also the person who originally sought the information. We would like to get some information at the other end, not know to us, which is contained in my questions. > > So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by > NetMundial secretariat. The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'... parminder > > > 2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder >: > > Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had > sought funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me > information about how funding support works. Since I am not able > to help that person with this information, may I request those > involved with the meeting to provide it. Please note that this is > urgent. (The concerned person has received an email from ICANN > informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for the > meeting.) > > It will be useful to know full details about how the funding > process worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the > participants who were offered funding? What kind of criteria was > used? Why individual funders are approaching participants with > funding support, and why a centralised approach from the meeting > organisers was not made/ considered? Whether there are other > funders too making such a direct approach? Who are the funders and > what amounts have been committed? > > If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society > participant declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could > create a potential problem because many civil society groups have > limitations on what kind of funding for travel etc they can accept > from private companies, especially those who work in their own > activity area , and under what conditions. > > I request early information on the above since the person who has > asked for this information and her/his organisation needs to make > an early decision about accepting the funding, given the short > period to the meeting. > > Thanks > > parminder > > PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for > Change have been offered support in a similar way and we have > accepted it. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* > *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC > COORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* > * > *Téléphone mobile:+243998983491 /+243813684512 > > email : b.schombe at gmail.com > skype : b.schombe > blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 06:58:57 2014 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin Schombe) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 12:58:57 +0200 Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested In-Reply-To: <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> Message-ID: The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'... exactly Parminder, but contact with sponsors is managed by NetMundial Secretariat. I could be wrong. 2014-04-05 12:38 GMT+02:00 parminder : > > On Saturday 05 April 2014 03:57 PM, Baudouin Schombe wrote: > > Hello Parminder, > > the process was as follows: > > 1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked, > among other things if candidate needed a partial or total load; > 1.2 Once registration is approved, secretrariat of NetMundial has > notified candidates.; > 3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application; > 4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of hotel > by applicant and receives information about support for the stay in Sao > Paolo during the summit. > 4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for > resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN > constituency contacted the candidate. > > > Thanks Baudouin, This is the set of information available at the > participant end, which I already know, and also the person who originally > sought the information. We would like to get some information at the other > end, not know to us, which is contained in my questions. > > > > So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by > NetMundial secretariat. > > > The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your > travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'... > > parminder > > > > 2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder : > >> Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought >> funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information about >> how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person with >> this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to provide >> it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has received an >> email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for >> the meeting.) >> >> It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process >> worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants who >> were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual >> funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a >> centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ considered? >> Whether there are other funders too making such a direct approach? Who are >> the funders and what amounts have been committed? >> >> If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant >> declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential >> problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind of >> funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, especially >> those who work in their own activity area , and under what conditions. >> >> I request early information on the above since the person who has asked >> for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early >> decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting. >> >> Thanks >> >> parminder >> >> PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change >> have been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* > *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* > > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC COORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* > > Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 > email : b.schombe at gmail.com > skype : b.schombe > blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > > > -- *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECCOORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Sat Apr 5 07:22:08 2014 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:22:08 +0200 Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801642171@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> FYI http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Sat Apr 5 07:35:32 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:35:32 +0200 Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801642171@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801642171@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <533FEA84.9020101@panamo.eu> Thanks Wolfgang. Very interesting. p.5 "/and has called for revocation of the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor” Framework, which has provided a practical mechanism for both U.S companies and their business partners in Europe to export data to the United States, while adhering to EU privacy requirements./" I was told that the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor” Framework was not very efficient. Was it ? @+, best regards, Dominique Le 05/04/14 13:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" a écrit : > FYI > > http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf > > wolfgang > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Sat Apr 5 08:11:43 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 14:11:43 +0200 Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade In-Reply-To: <533FEA84.9020101@panamo.eu> References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801642171@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <533FEA84.9020101@panamo.eu> Message-ID: Hi Dominique, Safe Harbor was not very efficient, indeed. There were many defficiencies with regard to enforcement and judicial remedies. Since the registration was outside the EU it could not be controlled by the EU, nobody had really an overview whether the rules were being implemented or not. Therefore Germany proposed to bild a robust framework for mechanisms like Safe Harbor within the new EU regulation (which is a good idea in my opinion). However a concrete proposal is still on work and has to be discussed in the Council. Kind regards, Lorena 2014-04-05 13:35 GMT+02:00 Dominique Lacroix
: > Thanks Wolfgang. Very interesting. > > p.5 "*and has called for revocation of the U.S.-EU "Safe Harbor" > Framework, which has provided a practical mechanism for both U.S companies > and their business partners in Europe to export data to the United States, > while adhering to EU privacy requirements.*" > > I was told that the U.S.-EU "Safe Harbor" Framework was not very > efficient. Was it ? > > @+, best regards, Dominique > > > Le 05/04/14 13:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" a écrit : > > FYI > http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf > > wolfgang > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. * Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de * Newsletter * Facebook * Twitter * Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu Sat Apr 5 09:16:43 2014 From: Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu (Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 13:16:43 +0000 Subject: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade In-Reply-To: References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801642171@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <533FEA84.9020101@panamo.eu>, Message-ID: Hello, Also, in November last year (27.11.2013) the EU published a Communication and a package names "Restoring trust in EU-US data flows" (http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/com_2013_846_en.pdf) and that addresses the Safe Harbour, coupled with a second Communication on the functioning of the Safe Harbour from the perspective of EU Citizens and Companies established in the EU (http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/com_2013_847_en.pdf) "Making Safe Harbour safer: the Commission today made 13 recommendations to improve the functioning of the Safe Harbour scheme, after an analysis also published today finds the functioning of the scheme deficient in several respects. Remedies should be identified by summer 2014. The Commission will then review the functioning of the scheme based on the implementation of these 13 recommendations." Here is the press release http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-1166_en.htm This is a MEMO containing a section on Safe Harbor http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-1059_en.htm These are the concrete changes to the Safe Harbor: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/policies/privacy/thridcountries/adequacy-faq1_en.htm Best Camino From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Lorena Jaume-Palasi [lorena at collaboratory.de] Sent: 05 April 2014 14:11 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Dominique Lacroix Subject: Re: [governance] Regional Networks and Global Trade Hi Dominique, Safe Harbor was not very efficient, indeed. There were many defficiencies with regard to enforcement and judicial remedies. Since the registration was outside the EU it could not be controlled by the EU, nobody had really an overview whether the rules were being implemented or not. Therefore Germany proposed to bild a robust framework for mechanisms like Safe Harbor within the new EU regulation (which is a good idea in my opinion). However a concrete proposal is still on work and has to be discussed in the Council. Kind regards, Lorena 2014-04-05 13:35 GMT+02:00 Dominique Lacroix
>: Thanks Wolfgang. Very interesting. p.5 "and has called for revocation of the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor” Framework, which has provided a practical mechanism for both U.S companies and their business partners in Europe to export data to the United States, while adhering to EU privacy requirements." I was told that the U.S.-EU “Safe Harbor” Framework was not very efficient. Was it ? @+, best regards, Dominique Le 05/04/14 13:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" a écrit : FYI http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013-14%20-1377Report-final.pdf wolfgang ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 08:50:08 2014 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 09:50:08 -0300 Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested In-Reply-To: References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> <533FDD3E.4010502@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I am currently in transit and unable to write detailed messages. Can get back later. There was no support for traveling until icann 49. Cgi. Br secured funding for committee members only. Recently, joint efforts managed to make some funding available. I am not sure which organizations participated in the pool. It seems icann constituency travel is helping with emissions due to their expertise and little time available. The EMC was not involved with funding issues. Marilia Em 05/04/2014 07:59, "Baudouin Schombe" escreveu: > The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your > travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'... > > > exactly Parminder, but contact with sponsors is managed by NetMundial > Secretariat. I could be wrong. > > > 2014-04-05 12:38 GMT+02:00 parminder : > >> >> On Saturday 05 April 2014 03:57 PM, Baudouin Schombe wrote: >> >> Hello Parminder, >> >> the process was as follows: >> >> 1.Registration online NetMundial; in the online form, it was asked, >> among other things if candidate needed a partial or total load; >> 1.2 Once registration is approved, secretrariat of NetMundial has >> notified candidates.; >> 3.Secretariat has NetMundial then sent a link to the visa application; >> 4.It is at this stage that the secretariat requires the booking of hotel >> by applicant and receives information about support for the stay in Sao >> Paolo during the summit. >> 4. it is also at this stage that the secretariat sent a form for >> resrevation flight. It is also at this time that the travel ICANN >> constituency contacted the candidate. >> >> >> Thanks Baudouin, This is the set of information available at the >> participant end, which I already know, and also the person who originally >> sought the information. We would like to get some information at the other >> end, not know to us, which is contained in my questions. >> >> >> >> So, the whole process of funding support is coordinated and managed by >> NetMundial secretariat. >> >> >> The mail from travel-ICANN-constituency says 'ICANN is supporting your >> travel' and not that 'NetMundial is supporting your travel'... >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> 2014-04-05 11:38 GMT+02:00 parminder : >> >>> Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had sought >>> funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me information about >>> how funding support works. Since I am not able to help that person with >>> this information, may I request those involved with the meeting to provide >>> it. Please note that this is urgent. (The concerned person has received an >>> email from ICANN informing him that ICANN would support her/his travel for >>> the meeting.) >>> >>> It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process >>> worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the participants who >>> were offered funding? What kind of criteria was used? Why individual >>> funders are approaching participants with funding support, and why a >>> centralised approach from the meeting organisers was not made/ considered? >>> Whether there are other funders too making such a direct approach? Who are >>> the funders and what amounts have been committed? >>> >>> If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society participant >>> declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could create a potential >>> problem because many civil society groups have limitations on what kind of >>> funding for travel etc they can accept from private companies, especially >>> those who work in their own activity area , and under what conditions. >>> >>> I request early information on the above since the person who has asked >>> for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an early >>> decision about accepting the funding, given the short period to the meeting. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for Change >>> have been offered support in a similar way and we have accepted it. >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* >> *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* >> >> *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC COORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* >> >> Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 >> email : b.schombe at gmail.com >> skype : b.schombe >> blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* > *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* > > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECCOORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* > > Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 > email : b.schombe at gmail.com > skype : b.schombe > blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The emphasis on engineering in security and privacy of services differentiates the workshop from other traditional prestigious security and privacy workshops, symposiums, and conferences. The practicality and value realization are examined by practitioners from leading industries as well as scientists from academia. In line with the engineering spirit, we solicit original papers on building secure service systems that can be applied to government procurement, digital medical records, cloud environments, social networking for business purposes, multimedia application, mobile commerce, education, and the like. Potential contributions could cover, but are not limited to, methodologies, protocols, tools, or verification and validation techniques. We also welcome review papers that analyze critically the status of current Security and Privacy (S&P) in a specific area. Papers from practitioners who encounter security and privacy problems and seek understanding are also welcome. Topics of interests of SPE 2014 include, but are not limited to: - S&P Engineering of Service-Based Applications - Security Engineering of Service Compositions - Practical Approaches to Security Engineering of Services - Privacy-Aware Service Engineering - Industrial and Real Use Cases in S&P Engineering of (Cloud) Services - S&P Engineering of Cloud Services - Auditing and Assessment - Assurance and Certification - Security Management and Governance - Privacy Enforcement in Clouds and Services - Cybersecurity Issues of Clouds and Services - Validation and Verification of S&P in Clouds and Services - Applied Cryptography for S&P in Clouds and Services - S&P Testing in Clouds and Services - Security and Privacy Modeling - Socio-Economics and Compliance - Education and Awareness - Big Data S&P Engineering =============== Important Dates =============== Full Paper Submission Due Date (EXTENDED): April 15, 2014 Decision Notification (Electronic): April 22, 2014 Camera-Ready Copy Due Date & Pre-registration Due: May 1, 2014 ================ Paper Submission ================ Authors are invited to submit full papers (about 8 pages) or short papers (about 4 pages) as per IEEE 8.5 x 11 manuscript guidelines (download Word templates http://conferences.computer.org/icws/2014/IEEECS_CPS_8.5x11x2.zip or LaTeX templates http://conferences.computer.org/icws/2014/IEEECS_CPS_LaTeX_Letter_2Col.zip). The submitted papers can only be in the format of PDF or WORD. Please follow the IEEE Computer Society Press Proceedings Author Guidelines to prepare your papers, respectively. At least one author of each accepted paper is required to attend the workshop and present the paper. All papers must be submitted via the confhub submission system for the SPE workshop (http://www.confhub.com/conf.php?id=338). First time users need to register with the system first (see these instructions for details http://www.servicescongress.org/2014/submission.html). All the accepted papers by the workshops will be included in the Proceedings of the IEEE 10th World Congress on Services (SERVICES 2014) which will be published by IEEE Computer Society. =============== Workshop Chairs =============== - Claudio Agostino Ardagna, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy, claudio.ardagna-AT-unimi.it - Meiko Jensen, Independent Centre for Privacy Protection Schleswig-Holstein, Germany, Meiko.Jensen-AT-rub.de - Zhixiong Chen, Mercy College, NY, USA, zchen-AT-mercy.edu - Ernesto Damiani, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy, ernesto.damiani-AT-unimi.it ================= Program Committee ================= - Rafael Accorsi, University of Freiburg, Germany - Rasool Asal, British Telecommunications, UK - Jens-atthias Bohli, NEC Laboratories Europe, Germany - Bud Brügger, Fraunhofer IAO, Germany - Ali Chettih, Pivot Point Security, Mercy College NY, USA - Frances Cleary, Waterford Institute of Technology, Ireland - Quiang Duan, Penn State at Abington, USA - Massimo Felici, Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, USA - Christopher Frenz, CTO at See-Thru, USA - Atsuhiro Goto, Institute of Information Security, Japan - Nils Gruschka, University of Applied Sciences Kiel, Germany - Marit Hansen, Independent Centre for Privacy Protection Schleswig-Holstein, Germany, - Patrick Hung, University of Ontario Institute of Technology, Canada - Luigi Lo Iacono, University of Applied Sciences Cologne, Germany - Florian Kerschbaum, SAP Research Karlsruhe, Germany - Zhiqiang Lin, UT Dallas, USA - Jörg Schwenk, Ruhr University Bochum, Germany - Wei Tan, IBM, USA - Jong Yoon, Mercy College, USA - Yingzhou Zhang, Nanjing University of Posts and Telecommunications, China =============== Publicity Chair =============== - Fulvio Frati, Università degli studi di Milano, Italy More information available at http://sesar.dti.unimi.it/SPE2014/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cloud adoption is becoming rapidly ubiquitous; therefore, private and sensitive data is being moved into the cloud. This move is introducing new security and privacy challenges, which should be diligently addressed in order to avoid severe security repercussions. The focus of this workshop is to offer a discussion forum about autonomous cybersecurity systems, which offer viable and well-suited solutions for cloud threat prediction, detection, mitigation, and prevention. The workshop is part of the IEEE International Conference on Cloud and Autonomic Computing (CAC 2014), and is collocated with The 8th IEEE Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing System Conference and The 14th IEEE Peer-to-Peer Computing Conference. We are soliciting original and unpublished results of ongoing research projects, emerging trends, uses cases, and implementation experiences in autonomous cloud cybersecurity systems and solutions. ================ Topics ================ The topics covered include, but are not limited to: - Self-protection techniques of computing systems, networks and applications. - Performance evaluation and metrics of self-protection algorithms. - Metrics to characterize and quantify the cybersecurity algorithms (confidentiality,integrity, and availability of autonomic systems) - Anomaly behavior analysis and discovery of autonomic systems and services. - Data mining, stochastic analysis and prediction of autonomic systems and applications. - Datasets and benchmarks to compare and evaluate different self-protection techniques. - Autonomic prediction of cyber crime. - Cloud cryptographic systems. - Autonomous cyber threat mitigation methods. - Cloud security protocols. - Automated cloud security analysis. - Cloud cybersecurity tools. ================== Paper Submission ================== Paper submission Papers submitted should be in the form of a two-page extended abstract. Manuscript preparation and style should follow the official IEEE proceedings format instructions. Papers should be submitted using the workshop submission page (https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=acc2014). ================== Deadlines ================== - Paper submission: May 7, 2014 - Author notification: June 12, 2014 - Camera-ready paper: July 3, 2014 - Workshop: September 8, 2014 ===================== Organizing Committee ===================== General Chair: - Ernesto Damiani, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy Co-Chairs: - Anas Salah Eddin, Florida Polytechnic University, USA - George Spanoudakis, City University London, UK Steering Committee: - John Howie (Chair), Cloud Security Alliance, USA - Salim Hariri, University of Arizona, USA - Bill Buchanan, Edinburgh Napier University, UK - Mohand-Said Hacid, Université Lyon 1, France -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These conversations will input to an evolving framework of Feminist Principles of the Internet to be developed at a global meeting on Gender, Sexuality and the Internet that will take place in Malaysia from this Friday, April 12th. You can join the conversation on Twitter, and/or reply to this message with your thoughts. *A Global Conversation for a Feminist Internet* Is a feminist internet possible? How has the internet shifted the way we understand power, politics, activism and agency? Join us in a global conversation on how the internet can strengthen and better facilitate feminist activism and what you think are key issues we need to engage with and interrogate to realise its transformative potential. How are we discussing the commodification of our bodies, behaviors, thoughts and data? How has the internet disrupted or reinforced capitalist frameworks? Is the internet enabling greater diversity of sexual expression or growing opportunities for the policing of sexuality? Do we rely too much on the internet for our work? Does activism 2.0 simply satisfy our need to "do something" without truly effecting change? Take part in the debate. Define and question what it takes to create a feminist internet. 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Kindly add me to the list of remote participants. How will remote participation be done? Hoping to hear from you. My regards,   ___________________________________ Asama Abel Excel President and CEO I-VISSION INTERNATIONAL 3rd Floor immeuble Centre Médical de Bessengué  Box 13040 Blvd de la rep., Feu Rouge Bessengué Douala Cameroon E: ivissioninternational at yahoo.fr / excelasama at yahoo.fr : info at ivission.net T (bur): +237 33 76 55 76  (Mob): 99 44 43 91 / 76 14 26 23Skype (office): i-vission (personal): excelasama, My blogWeb: www.ivission.net  Web album: www.flickr.com/ivission Facebook: ivission.internationl Twitter: www.twitter.com/ivission  NWK: www.meetup.com/ivission Le Mardi 8 avril 2014 1h10, Shcherbovich Andrey a écrit : Thank you, It would be great.   Thanks for your support, and you personally also invited to attend this workshop.   With kind regards, Andrey   05.04.2014, 04:00, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" : Andrey wondering whether you would be interested in inviting a perspective from the World Bank and can hook you up witb their Big Data specialist. >Really awesome that you are organising a ws in this. >Sala >On 5 Apr 2014 10:45, "Shcherbovich Andrey" wrote: > >Dear Colleagues! >> >>The Higher School of Economics is planning to organize a workshop on 'Big Data & Human Rights' on the 9th Session of the Internet Governance Forum in Istanbul  and we are looking for colleagues who will be interested in this topic and who could possibly join us at the workshop onsite or remotely. >> >>Sincerely yours, >>Andrey Shcherbovich >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >>For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >>Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>, >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t     -- Отправлено из быстрой Яндекс.Почты http://mail.yandex.ru/neo2/collect/?exp=1&t=5   ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pranesh at cis-india.org Tue Apr 8 11:56:47 2014 From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:56:47 -0400 Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome Document Message-ID: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/ NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina, Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9. Outcome Document ---------------- This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC). Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014 ### **[0. Introduction](#introduction)** The Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance, also known as NETmundial, is convened to discuss two important issues relevant for the future evolution of the Internet, in an open and Multistakeholder fashion: - Internet Governance Principles, and - Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet Governance Ecosystem The recommendations in this document have been prepared with the view to guiding NETmundial to consensus. This has been a collaborative effort among representatives of all stakeholder groups. More than 180 contributions have been received from all stakeholders around the globe. Those contributions have been taken as the basis for the elaboration of the recommendations here submitted to the participants of NETmundial towards the development of broad consensus. The recommendations of NETmundial are intended to constitute valuable contribution to be used in other Internet Governance related fora and entities. ### **[1. Internet Governance Principles Introduction.](#internet_governance_principles)** NETmundial identified a set of common principles and important values that may serve as the foundation for an inclusive, Multistakeholder, effective, legitimate, and evolving Internet Governance framework. Human Rights Principles related to Human Rights. Human rights are central values that should underpin Internet governance principles. Rights that people have offline must also be protected online, in accordance with international human rights law, including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenants on Civil and Political Rights and Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Those rights include, but are not limited to: - Access to information and the free flow of information - Freedom of association - Freedom of expression: Everyone has the right to hold and express opinions, and to seek, receive, and impart information on the Internet without arbitrary interference. - Privacy: People should be able to exercise their right to privacy online the same way they do offline, including avoiding arbitrary or unlawful collection of personal data and surveillance. - Accessibility: People with disabilities should be granted full access to online resources. - Culture and linguistic diversity: Cultural and linguistic diversity should be encouraged and supported in a non-discriminatory manner. - Development: The Internet has a vital role to play in helping to achieve the full realization of internationally agreed sustainable development goals. ### **[Internet Infrastructure](#internet_infrastructure)** Principles related to the Internet infrastructure. To preserve an unfragmented, interconnected, interoperable, secure, stable, resilient, sustainable, and trustworthy Internet. SECURITY, STABILITY AND RESILIENCY Internet as an universal global resource, should remain a secure, stable, resilient and trustworthy network. Effectiveness in handling security depends on strong and constant cooperation among different stakeholders. - Security, stability, robustness and resilience of the Internet should be a key objective of all stakeholders in Internet governance. SINGLE AND UNFRAGMENTED SPACE The Internet should continue to be a globally coherent interconnected, unfragmented, scalable and accessible network which allows the free flow of data packets throughout the community, with: - A common set of unique identifiers - A stable and globally coherent Internet operations OPEN AND DISTRIBUTED ARCHITECTURE The Internet should be preserved as a fertile and innovative environment and an open system architecture, with voluntary collaboration, collective stewardship and participation, recognizing technical management principles for efficient and improved network operation and preserving: - End-to-end nature of the network - Equal treatment to all protocols and data, delivered by the underlying communications ENABLING ENVIRONMENT FOR INNOVATION The ability to innovate has been at the heart of the remarkable growth of the Internet and it brought great value to the global society. For the preservation of its dynamism, Internet must continue to allow permission-less innovation through an enabling environment. OPEN ACCESS/PLATFORM The Internet should be an open and accessible platform, promoting fair access to any content, applications and services at the user's choice. Internet should be a tool for equal opportunity and development, based on: - Minimal barriers: There should be no unreasonable barriers or unnecessary burdens to entry for new users - Universality: Access to the Internet should become universal as an effective tool for human development and social inclusion. - Agility: Policies for access to Internet service should be future oriented and technology neutral, able to accommodate rapidly developing technologies and different types of use. - Neutrality: The Internet should remain a neutral, free from discrimination, so as to encourage free expression, the free flow of information and ideas, creativity, innovation and entrepreneurship - Intermediary liability should be limited in line with international best practice - Diversity: The Internet must respect and promote diversity in all its forms ### **[Internet Governance Process](#internet_governance_process)** Principles related to Internet governance decision-making processes and arrangements. Internet governance should be open, participatory, Multistakeholder, technology-neutral, sensitive to human rights and based on principles of transparency, accountability and inclusiveness, among others: - Multistakeholder: with the full participation of governments, the private sector, civil society, the technical community, the academia and users in their respective roles and responsibilities. - Open, participatory, process driven governance: The development of international Internet-related public policies and Internet governance arrangements should enable full and balanced participation of all stakeholders from around the globe. - Transparent: it should be easy to understand how decisions are made, processes should be clearly documented and follow agreed procedures; procedures which should have been developed and agreed through Multistakeholder processes. - Accountable: mechanisms for checks and balances as well as for redress should exist. - Inclusive: Internet governance institutions and processes should be inclusive and open to all interested stakeholders. Processes should be bottom-up, enabling the full involvement of all stakeholders in a way does not disadvantage any category of stakeholder. - Distributed: A governance characterized by distributed and Multistakeholder mechanisms and organizations. - Collaborative: Internet governance should be based on and encourage collaborative and cooperative approaches to policy development that reflect the inputs and interests of stakeholders. - Enabling meaningful participation: All stakeholders should be able to participate in any internet governance process. Particularly, Internet governance institutions and processes should support capacity building for newcomers, especially stakeholders from developing countries and underrepresented groups. ### **[Standards](#standards)** Principles related to the technical standardization of the Internet OPEN STANDARDS The Internet should be unique, interoperable, resilient, decentralized, secure, interconnected, and based on open public standards, embracing: - Openness: allows for sharing and innovation, respecting rights and accessibility enabling global competition; - Interoperability: Open Standards facilitate interoperability and enable all to fully participate in the global network. - Stability: The open nature of the Internet allows its continued growth, resilience and stability. - Open development: Informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience, decisions made by open consensus rather than voting. - Innovation: Open Standards serve as building blocks for further innovation and contribute to the creation of global communities. - Human rights: Standards must respect human rights contributing to the creation of global communities. - Availability: Open standards specifications on which the Internet is based should be made accessible to all for implementation and deployment. ### **[2. Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet Governance](#roadmap)** ### **[I. Introduction](#roadmap_introduction)** The objective of this roadmap is to recommend the steps forward in the process of continuously improving the existing Internet governance framework ensuring full involvement of all stakeholders. Internet governance framework is a distributed and coordinated ecosystem involving various organizations and fora. It must be inclusive, transparent and accountable, and its structures and operations must follow a model that enable the participation of all stakeholders in order to address the interests of all those who benefit from the Internet. The implementation of the Tunis Agenda has demonstrated the value of the Multistakeholder model in Internet governance. The valuable contribution of all stakeholders to Internet governance should be recognized. Due to the successful experiences this model should be further strengthened, improved and evolved. Internet governance should serve as a catalyst for development and for promotion of human rights. Participation should reflect geographic balance and include stakeholders from developing and least developed countries. Issues that deserve attention of the community in the Internet governance future evolution. - Internet governance decisions are sometimes taken without the meaningful participation of all stakeholders. It is important that Multistakeholder decision-making and policy formulation are improved in order to ensure the full participation of all interested parties, recognizing the different roles played by different stakeholders. - Enhanced cooperation to address international public policy issues pertaining to the Internet must be fully implemented on a consensual basis. It is important that all stakeholders commit to advancing this discussion through the working group created to this purpose under UN CSTD and/or other international Multistakeholder dialogues. - Stakeholder representatives appointed to Multistakeholder Internet governance processes should be selected through open and transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self-manage their processes based on publicly known mechanisms. - There is a need to develop Multistakeholder mechanisms at the local level since a good portion of Internet governance issues should be tackled at this level. Local Multistakeholder mechanisms should serve as a link between local discussions and regional and global instances. Therefore a fluent coordination and dialogue across those different dimensions is essential. - There should be meaningful participation by all interested parties in Internet governance discussions and decision-making, with attention to geographic, stakeholder and gender balance in order to avoid asymmetries. - The establishment of enabling mechanisms including capacity building and empowerment mechanisms, such as remote participation or adequate funding, and access to meaningful and timely information are essential for promoting inclusive and effective Internet governance. - All stakeholders must renew their commitment to build a people centered, inclusive and development oriented Information Society. Therefore in pursuing the improvements of the Internet governance ecosystem, the focus on Digital Development Agenda should be retained. - Internet governance discussions would benefit from improved communication and coordination between technical and non-technical communities, providing a better understanding about the policy implications in technical decisions and technical implications in policy decision. ### **[Issues dealing with institutional improvements.](#issues_inst_improvements)** - There is a need for mechanisms to consider emerging topics and issues that are not currently being adequately addressed by existing Internet governance arrangements and usually referred as orphan issues. - There is a need for a strengthened Internet Governance Forum (IGF). Important recommendations to that end were made by the UN CSTD working group on IGF improvements. Improvements should include inter-alia: - Improved outcomes. Even keeping the nature of IGF as a non-decision-making body, improvements can be implemented including creative ways of providing outcomes/recommendations and the analysis of policy options. - Extending the IGF mandate beyond five-year terms, and considering the IGF as a permanent forum. - Ensuring guaranteed stable and predictable funding for the IGF is essential. - The IGF should adopt mechanisms to promote worldwide discussions between meetings. The 1Net initiative could possibly provide a platform for Multistakeholder intercessional dialogue. A strengthened IGF could better serve as a platform for discussing those orphans and emerging issues already mentioned in the previous point with a view to contributing to the identification of possible ways to address them. - There should be adequate communication and coordination among existing forums, task forces and organizations of the Internet governance ecosystem. Periodical reports, formal liaisons and timely feedbacks are examples of mechanisms that could be implemented to that end. It would be recommendable to analyze the option of creating Internet governance coordination mechanisms to perform on-going monitoring, analysis, and information-sharing functions. - In the follow up to the recent announcement of US Government with regard to its intent to transition the stewardship of IANA functions, the discussion about mechanisms for guaranteeing the transparency and accountability of those functions after the US Government role ends, has to take place through an open process with the participation of all stakeholders extending beyond the ICANN community. The IANA functions are currently performed under policies developed in processes hosted by several organizations and forums. Any adopted mechanism should protect the bottom up, open and participatory nature of those policy development processes and ensure the stability and resilience of the Internet. It is desirable to keep an adequate separation between the policy process and its operational aspects. This transition should be completed by September 2015. - It is expected that the process of globalization of ICANN speeds up leading to a truly international and global organization with an independent status and clear accountability mechanisms that satisfy requirements from its own stakeholders and from the global community. The relevant, balanced, and active representation from all regions and stakeholders in the ICANN structure is a key issue in the process of a successful globalization. ### **[Issues dealing with specific Internet Governance topics](#issues_governance_topics)** ​1. Security and Stability - It is necessary to continue working pursuing international agreements on topics such jurisdiction, law enforcement assistance to promote cybersecurity and prevent cybercrime. Discussions about those frameworks should be held in a Multistakeholder manner. International agreements should include measures of restraining cyber weapons development and deployment. - Initiatives to improve cybersecurity and address security threats should involve collaboration among private sector, researchers, technical experts, governments and NGOs. There are stakeholders that still need to become more involved with cybersecurity, for example network operators and software developers. - There is room for new forums and initiatives, they should not duplicate, but to add to current structures. All stakeholders should aim to leverage from and improve these already existing cybersecurity organizations. The experience accumulated by several of them, for example the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST) and Computer Incident Response Teams (CERTs/CSIRTs), demonstrates that, in order to be effective, any cybersecurity initiative depends on cooperation among different stakeholders, and it can't be achieved via a single organization or structure. ​2. Internet Surveillance ? Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet Governance ecosystem. Mass surveillance and contradicts some of the principles proposed in this document. Surveillance should be conducted in accordance with the ?Necessary and Proportionate? principles. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the related aspects. ​3. Capacity building - One of the key requirements for realization of Internet governance principles is ensuring that diverse stakeholders have not merely the opportunity for nominal participation, but in fact the formation and the resources for effective participation. Capacity building is important to support the emergence of true Multistakeholder communities, especially in those regions where the participation of some stakeholders group needs to be further strengthened. ### **[Points to be further discussed beyond NETmundial:](#points_further_disc)** Several contributions to NETmundial identified points that need further discussion and better understanding regarding the following: - Different roles and responsibilities of stakeholders on the Internet governance ecosystem, including the meaning and application of equal footing. - Jurisdiction issues and how they relate to Internet governance. - A principles based code of conduct and related indicators for the Internet governance ecosystem. ### **[Key messages](#key_messages)** The Internet governance ecosystem needs to continuously evolve as described above, strengthening the Multistakeholder model across the entire ecosystem. Capacity building is a crucial aspect to enhance the participation of all stakeholders in a meaningful way. The IGF should be strengthened. There are issues that are not being treated properly by existing Internet governance mechanisms. IGF is one of the venues for discussing ways to deal with those issues. It is expected that ICANN continues working in evolving the organization toward a more global organization with a balanced participation of all stakeholders. The US Government?s special role with regard to the IANA functions should end in a short term and the transition should be conducted in an open, participatory and responsible manner. All the organizations with responsibilities in Internet governance ecosystem have to develop principles for transparency, accountability and inclusiveness and implement them. All the organizations should prepare periodical reports on their progresses and status about these issues. Those reports should be made publicly available. Further discussion is required to reach consensus on the roles and responsibilities of stakeholders in Internet governance. All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial. It is expected that the NETmundial findings and outcomes feed other processes and forums, such as WSIS+10, IGF and all Internet governance discussions held in different organizations and bodies at all levels. The follow up and future discussions of topics listed in this document should prompt the creation of expert groups, task forces or groups of facilitators convened by existing entities or bodies. 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N On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm > > https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/ > > NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document > Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT > > Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome > Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting > on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international > conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted > in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for > internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina, > Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South > Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was > prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from > the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level > Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises > ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is > due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9. > > > > Outcome Document > ---------------- > > This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder Committee > (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC). > > Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014 > > ### **[0. Introduction](#introduction)** > > The Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance, > also known as NETmundial, is convened to discuss two important issues > relevant for the future evolution of the Internet, in an open and > Multistakeholder fashion: > > - Internet Governance Principles, and > - Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet Governance Ecosystem > > The recommendations in this document have been prepared with the view to > guiding NETmundial to consensus. This has been a collaborative effort among > representatives of all stakeholder groups. > > More than 180 contributions have been received from all stakeholders > around the globe. Those contributions have been taken as the basis for the > elaboration of the recommendations here submitted to the participants of > NETmundial towards the development of broad consensus. > > The recommendations of NETmundial are intended to constitute valuable > contribution to be used in other Internet Governance related fora and > entities. > > ### **[1. Internet Governance Principles Introduction.](#internet_ > governance_principles)** > > NETmundial identified a set of common principles and important values that > may serve as the foundation for an inclusive, Multistakeholder, effective, > legitimate, and evolving Internet Governance framework. Human Rights > > Principles related to Human Rights. > > Human rights are central values that should underpin Internet governance > principles. Rights that people have offline must also be protected online, > in accordance with international human rights law, including the Universal > Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenants on Civil and > Political Rights and Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Those rights > include, but are not limited to: > > - Access to information and the free flow of information > - Freedom of association > - Freedom of expression: Everyone has the right to hold and express > opinions, and to seek, receive, and impart information on the Internet > without arbitrary interference. > - Privacy: People should be able to exercise their right to privacy > online the same way they do offline, including avoiding arbitrary or > unlawful collection of personal data and surveillance. > - Accessibility: People with disabilities should be granted full access > to online resources. > - Culture and linguistic diversity: Cultural and linguistic diversity > should be encouraged and supported in a non-discriminatory manner. > - Development: The Internet has a vital role to play in helping to > achieve the full realization of internationally agreed sustainable > development goals. > > ### **[Internet Infrastructure](#internet_infrastructure)** > > Principles related to the Internet infrastructure. > > To preserve an unfragmented, interconnected, interoperable, secure, > stable, resilient, sustainable, and trustworthy Internet. > > SECURITY, STABILITY AND RESILIENCY > > Internet as an universal global resource, should remain a secure, stable, > resilient and trustworthy network. Effectiveness in handling security > depends on strong and constant cooperation among different stakeholders. > > - Security, stability, robustness and resilience of the Internet should > be a key objective of all stakeholders in Internet governance. > > SINGLE AND UNFRAGMENTED SPACE > > The Internet should continue to be a globally coherent interconnected, > unfragmented, scalable and accessible network which allows the free flow of > data packets throughout the community, with: > > - A common set of unique identifiers > - A stable and globally coherent Internet operations > > OPEN AND DISTRIBUTED ARCHITECTURE > > The Internet should be preserved as a fertile and innovative environment > and an open system architecture, with voluntary collaboration, collective > stewardship and participation, recognizing technical management principles > for efficient and improved network operation and preserving: > > - End-to-end nature of the network > - Equal treatment to all protocols and data, delivered by the underlying > communications > > ENABLING ENVIRONMENT FOR INNOVATION > > The ability to innovate has been at the heart of the remarkable growth of > the Internet and it brought great value to the global society. For the > preservation of its dynamism, Internet must continue to allow > permission-less innovation through an enabling environment. > > OPEN ACCESS/PLATFORM > > The Internet should be an open and accessible platform, promoting fair > access to any content, applications and services at the user's choice. > Internet should be a tool for equal opportunity and development, based on: > > - Minimal barriers: There should be no unreasonable barriers or > unnecessary burdens to entry for new users > - Universality: Access to the Internet should become universal as an > effective tool for human development and social inclusion. > - Agility: Policies for access to Internet service should be future > oriented and technology neutral, able to accommodate rapidly developing > technologies and different types of use. > - Neutrality: The Internet should remain a neutral, free from > discrimination, so as to encourage free expression, the free flow of > information and ideas, creativity, innovation and entrepreneurship > - Intermediary liability should be limited in line with international > best practice > - Diversity: The Internet must respect and promote diversity in all its > forms > > ### **[Internet Governance Process](#internet_governance_process)** > > Principles related to Internet governance decision-making processes and > arrangements. > > Internet governance should be open, participatory, Multistakeholder, > technology-neutral, sensitive to human rights and based on principles of > transparency, accountability and inclusiveness, among others: > > - Multistakeholder: with the full participation of governments, the > private sector, civil society, the technical community, the academia and > users in their respective roles and responsibilities. > - Open, participatory, process driven governance: The development of > international Internet-related public policies and Internet governance > arrangements should enable full and balanced participation of all > stakeholders from around the globe. > - Transparent: it should be easy to understand how decisions are made, > processes should be clearly documented and follow agreed procedures; > procedures which should have been developed and agreed through > Multistakeholder processes. > - Accountable: mechanisms for checks and balances as well as for redress > should exist. > - Inclusive: Internet governance institutions and processes should be > inclusive and open to all interested stakeholders. Processes should be > bottom-up, enabling the full involvement of all stakeholders in a way does > not disadvantage any category of stakeholder. > - Distributed: A governance characterized by distributed and > Multistakeholder mechanisms and organizations. > - Collaborative: Internet governance should be based on and encourage > collaborative and cooperative approaches to policy development that reflect > the inputs and interests of stakeholders. > - Enabling meaningful participation: All stakeholders should be able to > participate in any internet governance process. Particularly, Internet > governance institutions and processes should support capacity building for > newcomers, especially stakeholders from developing countries and > underrepresented groups. > > ### **[Standards](#standards)** > > Principles related to the technical standardization of the Internet > > OPEN STANDARDS > > The Internet should be unique, interoperable, resilient, decentralized, > secure, interconnected, and based on open public standards, embracing: > > - Openness: allows for sharing and innovation, respecting rights and > accessibility enabling global competition; > - Interoperability: Open Standards facilitate interoperability and > enable all to fully participate in the global network. > - Stability: The open nature of the Internet allows its continued > growth, resilience and stability. > - Open development: Informed by individual and collective expertise and > practical experience, decisions made by open consensus rather than voting. > - Innovation: Open Standards serve as building blocks for further > innovation and contribute to the creation of global communities. > - Human rights: Standards must respect human rights contributing to the > creation of global communities. > - Availability: Open standards specifications on which the Internet is > based should be made accessible to all for implementation and deployment. > > ### **[2. Roadmap for the future evolution of the Internet > Governance](#roadmap)** > > ### **[I. Introduction](#roadmap_introduction)** > > The objective of this roadmap is to recommend the steps forward in the > process of continuously improving the existing Internet governance > framework ensuring full involvement of all stakeholders. Internet > governance framework is a distributed and coordinated ecosystem involving > various organizations and fora. It must be inclusive, transparent and > accountable, and its structures and operations must follow a model that > enable the participation of all stakeholders in order to address the > interests of all those who benefit from the Internet. The implementation of > the Tunis Agenda has demonstrated the value of the Multistakeholder model > in Internet governance. The valuable contribution of all stakeholders to > Internet governance should be recognized. Due to the successful experiences > this model should be further strengthened, improved and evolved. Internet > governance should serve as a catalyst for development and for promotion of > human rights. Participation should reflect geographic balance and include > stakeholders from developing and least developed countries. > > Issues that deserve attention of the community in the Internet governance > future evolution. > > - Internet governance decisions are sometimes taken without the > meaningful participation of all stakeholders. It is important that > Multistakeholder decision-making and policy formulation are improved in > order to ensure the full participation of all interested parties, > recognizing the different roles played by different stakeholders. > - Enhanced cooperation to address international public policy issues > pertaining to the Internet must be fully implemented on a consensual basis. > It is important that all stakeholders commit to advancing this discussion > through the working group created to this purpose under UN CSTD and/or > other international Multistakeholder dialogues. > - Stakeholder representatives appointed to Multistakeholder Internet > governance processes should be selected through open and transparent > processes. Different stakeholder groups should self-manage their processes > based on publicly known mechanisms. > - There is a need to develop Multistakeholder mechanisms at the local > level since a good portion of Internet governance issues should be tackled > at this level. Local Multistakeholder mechanisms should serve as a link > between local discussions and regional and global instances. Therefore a > fluent coordination and dialogue across those different dimensions is > essential. > - There should be meaningful participation by all interested parties in > Internet governance discussions and decision-making, with attention to > geographic, stakeholder and gender balance in order to avoid asymmetries. > - The establishment of enabling mechanisms including capacity building > and empowerment mechanisms, such as remote participation or adequate > funding, and access to meaningful and timely information are essential for > promoting inclusive and effective Internet governance. > - All stakeholders must renew their commitment to build a people > centered, inclusive and development oriented Information Society. Therefore > in pursuing the improvements of the Internet governance ecosystem, the > focus on Digital Development Agenda should be retained. > - Internet governance discussions would benefit from improved > communication and coordination between technical and non-technical > communities, providing a better understanding about the policy implications > in technical decisions and technical implications in policy decision. > > ### **[Issues dealing with institutional improvements.](#issues_inst_ > improvements)** > > - There is a need for mechanisms to consider emerging topics and issues > that are not currently being adequately addressed by existing Internet > governance arrangements and usually referred as orphan issues. > - There is a need for a strengthened Internet Governance Forum (IGF). > Important recommendations to that end were made by the UN CSTD working > group on IGF improvements. Improvements should include inter-alia: > > - Improved outcomes. Even keeping the nature of IGF as a > non-decision-making body, improvements can be implemented including > creative ways of providing outcomes/recommendations and the analysis of > policy options. > - Extending the IGF mandate beyond five-year terms, and considering > the IGF as a permanent forum. > - Ensuring guaranteed stable and predictable funding for the IGF is > essential. > - The IGF should adopt mechanisms to promote worldwide discussions > between meetings. The 1Net initiative could possibly provide a platform for > Multistakeholder intercessional dialogue. > > A strengthened IGF could better serve as a platform for discussing > those orphans and emerging issues already mentioned in the previous point > with a view to contributing to the identification of possible ways to > address them. > > - There should be adequate communication and coordination among existing > forums, task forces and organizations of the Internet governance ecosystem. > Periodical reports, formal liaisons and timely feedbacks are examples of > mechanisms that could be implemented to that end. It would be recommendable > to analyze the option of creating Internet governance coordination > mechanisms to perform on-going monitoring, analysis, and > information-sharing functions. > - In the follow up to the recent announcement of US Government with > regard to its intent to transition the stewardship of IANA functions, the > discussion about mechanisms for guaranteeing the transparency and > accountability of those functions after the US Government role ends, has to > take place through an open process with the participation of all > stakeholders extending beyond the ICANN community. The IANA functions are > currently performed under policies developed in processes hosted by several > organizations and forums. Any adopted mechanism should protect the bottom > up, open and participatory nature of those policy development processes and > ensure the stability and resilience of the Internet. It is desirable to > keep an adequate separation between the policy process and its operational > aspects. This transition should be completed by September 2015. > - It is expected that the process of globalization of ICANN speeds up > leading to a truly international and global organization with an > independent status and clear accountability mechanisms that satisfy > requirements from its own stakeholders and from the global community. The > relevant, balanced, and active representation from all regions and > stakeholders in the ICANN structure is a key issue in the process of a > successful globalization. > > ### **[Issues dealing with specific Internet Governance > topics](#issues_governance_topics)** > > 1. Security and Stability > > - It is necessary to continue working pursuing international agreements > on topics such jurisdiction, law enforcement assistance to promote > cybersecurity and prevent cybercrime. Discussions about those frameworks > should be held in a Multistakeholder manner. International agreements > should include measures of restraining cyber weapons development and > deployment. > - Initiatives to improve cybersecurity and address security threats > should involve collaboration among private sector, researchers, technical > experts, governments and NGOs. There are stakeholders that still need to > become more involved with cybersecurity, for example network operators and > software developers. > - There is room for new forums and initiatives, they should not > duplicate, but to add to current structures. All stakeholders should aim to > leverage from and improve these already existing cybersecurity > organizations. The experience accumulated by several of them, for example > the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST) and Computer > Incident Response Teams (CERTs/CSIRTs), demonstrates that, in order to be > effective, any cybersecurity initiative depends on cooperation among > different stakeholders, and it can't be achieved via a single organization > or structure. > > 2. Internet Surveillance ? Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines > trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet Governance ecosystem. Mass > surveillance and contradicts some of the principles proposed in this > document. Surveillance should be conducted in accordance with the > ?Necessary and Proportionate? principles. More dialogue is needed on this > topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights > Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the related aspects. > > 3. Capacity building - One of the key requirements for realization of > Internet governance principles is ensuring that diverse stakeholders have > not merely the opportunity for nominal participation, but in fact the > formation and the resources for effective participation. Capacity building > is important to support the emergence of true Multistakeholder communities, > especially in those regions where the participation of some stakeholders > group needs to be further strengthened. > > ### **[Points to be further discussed beyond NETmundial:](#points_further_ > disc)** > > Several contributions to NETmundial identified points that need further > discussion and better understanding regarding the following: > > - Different roles and responsibilities of stakeholders on the Internet > governance ecosystem, including the meaning and application of equal > footing. > - Jurisdiction issues and how they relate to Internet governance. > - A principles based code of conduct and related indicators for the > Internet governance ecosystem. > > ### **[Key messages](#key_messages)** > > The Internet governance ecosystem needs to continuously evolve as > described above, strengthening the Multistakeholder model across the entire > ecosystem. > > Capacity building is a crucial aspect to enhance the participation of all > stakeholders in a meaningful way. > > The IGF should be strengthened. > > There are issues that are not being treated properly by existing Internet > governance mechanisms. IGF is one of the venues for discussing ways to deal > with those issues. > > It is expected that ICANN continues working in evolving the organization > toward a more global organization with a balanced participation of all > stakeholders. > > The US Government?s special role with regard to the IANA functions should > end in a short term and the transition should be conducted in an open, > participatory and responsible manner. > > All the organizations with responsibilities in Internet governance > ecosystem have to develop principles for transparency, accountability and > inclusiveness and implement them. All the organizations should prepare > periodical reports on their progresses and status about these issues. Those > reports should be made publicly available. > > Further discussion is required to reach consensus on the roles and > responsibilities of stakeholders in Internet governance. > > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance > ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly > adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial. > > It is expected that the NETmundial findings and outcomes feed other > processes and forums, such as WSIS+10, IGF and all Internet governance > discussions held in different organizations and bodies at all levels. > > The follow up and future discussions of topics listed in this document > should prompt the creation of expert groups, task forces or groups of > facilitators convened by existing entities or bodies. They should present > reports of their works in major Internet governance meetings. > > > -- > Pranesh Prakash > Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society > T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org > ------------------- > Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School > M: +1 520 314 7147 | W: http://yaleisp.org > PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper giving some of the context behind this: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. Regards, Rishab Bailey (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Indian CS Email to NetMundial - April 7,2014 .pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 71954 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Letter to India-CS.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 124924 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Subi Chaturvedia. 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All this seems nominal. However, the devil is in details and further misunderstandings. I entered the text under: http://dnsa.org/index.php/Wikileaks:_preparation_of_NETmundial2014 The talk page will list the relevant comments from IUsers point of view. Best jfc -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rishab.bailey at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 16:04:04 2014 From: rishab.bailey at gmail.com (Rishab Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 01:34:04 +0530 Subject: [governance] Knowledge Commons statement on NetMundial Outcome Document (leaked by Wikileaks) Message-ID: Dear All, You may have seen that Wikileaks released the first draft of the NetMundial outcome document earlier today. Please find appended below, a response from Knowledge Commons which can also be viewed on our website at http://www.knowledgecommons.in/brasil/?page_id=214. Regards, Rishab -------- *Knowledge Commons Statement on Draft NetMundial document leaked by Wikileaks* *8 April 2014* Knowledge Commons has carefully examined the text on the Wikileaks websitethat purports to be the first iteration of the outcome document for NetMundial. Given we have read and analyzed all of the 187 submissions to NetMundial, we believe that the leaked document generally reflects the inputs received. Further, Knowledge Commons makes the following observations and recommendations: First, the document recognises the Internet as a 'universal global resource' [in Section 1. Internet Infrastructure]. Knowledge Commons believes that the Internet has become more than a resource, it is a public good and global commons upon which trade, media, education, health and government systems rely. Second, the document appropriately emphasizes the need for reform to democratize the multistakeholder system, acknowledging that decisions are taken without meaningful participation and in the absence of geographic and gender balance [in Section 2. Roadmap for the future evolution of Internet Governance]. Knowledge Commons believes there would be greater utility in clearly defining the roles and responsibilities of various stakeholders and specifying the elements of a minimum standard set of guidelines, operating procedures, or the identification of an entity to elaborate these modalities for multistakeholder fora. Third, Knowledge Commons strongly welcomes the call for new international agreements on cyber weapons development and deployment [in Section 2. Issues dealing with specific Internet governance topics]. As more and more critical infrastructure resources around the world are maintained and operated through digital mechanisms, ensuring the security of these installations from targeted attacks is critical. Such an agreement is the core business of governments. . A multilateral agreement ensuring cyber peace and de-militarising the Internet is essential if we are not to see the Balkanisation of the Internet. Fourth, the document acknowledges that changes to the IANA function need to take place through discussion rather than announcement and that such discussion is still to take place [in Section 2. Issues dealing with Institutional Improvements]. Knowledge Commons notes that ICANN, which should be an independent entity immune from any jurisdiction, will be charged with the process, but given the document also acknowledges the current flaws in participation and decision making processes, believes that improved modalities and minimum standards should be applied in this discussion and decision making process. Fifth, the document condemns mass surveillance for undermining trust in the Internet. [in Section 2. Issues dealing with Institutional Improvements]. Knowledge Commons believes that democracy itself has been damaged and so too has diplomacy. The NetMundial should be calling for the cessation of the practices of the 5 Eyes countries that violate sovereignty of states and the human rights of citizens. 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We do not have a Parliament at the moment but will have one after Elections. *Section 63 of the Electoral Decree says any person is prohibited from communicating political messages by telephone, internet, email, social media or other electronic means 48 hours before polling opens.* *Violating the decree can result in a 27,000 US dollar fine, or 10 years in jail.* The Transcripts of the Interview with a journalist or the audio pod can be found here: http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/2591849/fiji-constitution-would-trump-any-decree-in-court-lawyer Kind Regards, Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue Apr 8 20:09:41 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 05:39:41 +0530 Subject: [governance] Threats to Online Freedom of Expression in Fiji In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89FE82A1-865A-40A6-8ED7-5F15839B1401@hserus.net> It does make sense to have a moratorium on election campaigning for upto two days before the polls begin, and this prevents last minute rumors being started up against any candidate, or other dirty tricks (text message that the election is cancelled,mor polling station shifted to another location etc) --srs (iPad) > On 09-Apr-2014, at 5:24, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" wrote: > > Dear All, > > I wish all those who are making tracks to Brazil the very best for the Net Mundial. This is a brief note to say that, Fiji recently promulgated the Electoral Decree. We do not have a Parliament at the moment but will have one after Elections. > Section 63 of the Electoral Decree says any person is prohibited from communicating political messages by telephone, internet, email, social media or other electronic means 48 hours before polling opens. > > Violating the decree can result in a 27,000 US dollar fine, or 10 years in jail. > > The Transcripts of the Interview with a journalist or the audio pod can be found here: > > http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/2591849/fiji-constitution-would-trump-any-decree-in-court-lawyer > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Apr 9 03:32:34 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:02:34 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [discuss] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> Message-ID: <5344F792.30705@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 09 April 2014 02:16 AM, Michel Gauthier wrote: > >> At 17:56 08/04/2014, Pranesh Prakash wrote: >>> https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/ > > The number of occurences of some words: democracy 0, multistakeholder - 17 people - 4, stakeholder - 34 Compare this with any other key political document related to constitutional moments like the Netmundial meetings - you will find repeated references to people and democracy, and hardly any to stakeholders and MSism..... A silent political revolution is taking place, right under our noses, as the proverbial Nero plays the flute... parminder > > Internet 77 > stakeholder 34 > Multisakeholder 17 > IGF 12 > Human rights 11 > NETmundial 9 > government 5 > ICANN 4 > IANA 3 > User 3 > globalization 2 > neutrality 1 > IP 0 > domain name 0 > DNS 0 > root 0 > > Interesting indication of the political priorities. > > M G > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at 1net.org > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So the use or non use of some terminology becomes quite an obvious choice. On 9 April 2014 1:03:06 pm parminder wrote: > > On Wednesday 09 April 2014 02:16 AM, Michel Gauthier wrote: > > > >> At 17:56 08/04/2014, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > >>> https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/ > > > > The number of occurences of some words: > > democracy 0, multistakeholder - 17 > > people - 4, stakeholder - 34 > > Compare this with any other key political document related to > constitutional moments like the Netmundial meetings - you will find > repeated references to people and democracy, and hardly any to stakeholders > and MSism..... > > A silent political revolution is taking place, right under our noses, as > the proverbial Nero plays the flute... > > parminder > > > > > > > Internet 77 > > stakeholder 34 > > Multisakeholder 17 > > IGF 12 > > Human rights 11 > > NETmundial 9 > > government 5 > > ICANN 4 > > IANA 3 > > User 3 > > globalization 2 > > neutrality 1 > > IP 0 > > domain name 0 > > DNS 0 > > root 0 > > > > Interesting indication of the political priorities. > > > > M G > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > discuss mailing list > > discuss at 1net.org > > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From garth.graham at telus.net Wed Apr 9 14:08:07 2014 From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:08:07 -0700 Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> Message-ID: There are two key words used in this draft document that are mutually exclusive but not acknowledged as such - "universal" and "distributed." Universal is mechanistic and comes from the world of management control, where systems are closed and rules are imposed on them from outside. It reflects a conventional belief that the future can and should be rendered more predictable. Distributed describes a functional principle of complex adaptive systems, i.e. the world of ecosystems, where systems are open and rules emerge from internal relationships. The future of such systems cannot be known from their initial conditions. These two words represent structural principles of governance that are incompatible. I have always believed that the existence of the Internet was a symptom of the distributed systems worldview in action. To effectively increase the resilience of the Internet Governance Ecosystem, it is not enough to reference open systems. The processes of rules formation and future anticipation should be trending towards that word distributed and its internal relational implications. It seems to me that this document does not fully take the implications of distributed open systems to heart. The evidence of an intention to cling to the universal is the call that: > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial. To make such a commitment would be to accept that there are universal principles external to the Internet Governance ecosystem that govern what it can do and that can render its future more predictable. That pushes us towards some global centralizing mechanism. It's also bad systems theory. For example, if we defined the global in distributed terms as a "federation of locals," rather than as a universalizing principle, we insure that what we commit to is a process where the rules structuring relational interdependencies evolve within from common practice. GG On 2014-04-08, at 8:56 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm > > https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/ > > NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document > Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT > > Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina, Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9. > > Outcome Document > ---------------- > This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC). > Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 15:28:15 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 15:28:15 -0400 Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> Message-ID: > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial. In this paragraph are we supposed to read "are expected to commit" as "it is probable that they will commit" or "they must commit"? Either meaning is possible in the context. Deirdre On 9 April 2014 14:08, Garth Graham wrote: > There are two key words used in this draft document that are mutually > exclusive but not acknowledged as such - "universal" and "distributed." > Universal is mechanistic and comes from the world of management control, > where systems are closed and rules are imposed on them from outside. It > reflects a conventional belief that the future can and should be rendered > more predictable. Distributed describes a functional principle of complex > adaptive systems, i.e. the world of ecosystems, where systems are open and > rules emerge from internal relationships. The future of such systems > cannot be known from their initial conditions. These two words represent > structural principles of governance that are incompatible. I have always > believed that the existence of the Internet was a symptom of the > distributed systems worldview in action. > > To effectively increase the resilience of the Internet Governance > Ecosystem, it is not enough to reference open systems. The processes of > rules formation and future anticipation should be trending towards that > word distributed and its internal relational implications. It seems to me > that this document does not fully take the implications of distributed open > systems to heart. The evidence of an intention to cling to the universal > is the call that: > > > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance > ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly > adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial. > > To make such a commitment would be to accept that there are universal > principles external to the Internet Governance ecosystem that govern what > it can do and that can render its future more predictable. That pushes us > towards some global centralizing mechanism. It's also bad systems theory. > For example, if we defined the global in distributed terms as a > "federation of locals," < > http://cirn.wikispaces.com/CI+Declaration+-+Principle+8+Discussion> > rather than as a universalizing principle, we insure that what we commit to > is a process where the rules structuring relational interdependencies > evolve within from common practice. > > GG > > On 2014-04-08, at 8:56 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > > > PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm > > > > https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/ > > > > NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document > > Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT > > > > Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome > Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting > on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international > conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted > in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for > internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina, > Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South > Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was > prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from > the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level > Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises > ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is > due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9. > > > > Outcome Document > > ---------------- > > This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder > Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder > Committee (HLMC). > > Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 10 01:47:25 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:17:25 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society. Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and high level committee. At least please respond to the issue. If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further exacerbated by the news report in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. Thanks parminder On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: > Dear All, > > Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of > NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair > for the meeting), please find attached: > > (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. > Virgilio Almeida, > (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. > Virgilio Almeida; > (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. > > Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper > giving some of the context behind this: > http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx > > > Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning > plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. > > Regards, > Rishab Bailey > (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Thu Apr 10 02:26:07 2014 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:26:07 +0200 Subject: [governance] APC looking for policy comms person Message-ID: <5346397F.7020503@apc.org> Apologies for cross posting. Analia Lavin whom many of you might have met is leaving us soon to do a Phd so we are lookin for someone new.. Spanish and French fluency would be important. Anriette. -------- APC to hire communications officer: http://www.apc.org/en/node/19142 Association for Progressive Communications (apc.org) has an opening for a communications officer to participate in the virtual communications team of the world's oldest online progressive network. The position is 60-80% time on a one-year contract with the option to renew if funding is available. Candidates should be available to begin in June 2014. The deadline for applications is 29 April 2014. *Job profile* You will lead communications work for one of APC's two programmes, our Communications and Internet Policy Programme (CIPP). We are looking for someone who has: * At least five years experience in communications, media relations and social marketing * Developed successful strategies and plans for campaigns, events and publication dissemination * Measurable success with campaigns and dissemination via social media, Twitter in particular * Experience working completely online including managing projects remotely * A concise, creative, confident communication style, with a strong visual sense and excellent English writing and editing skills * Experience working in the non-profit sector, specifically in internet policy * Experience dealing with multiple cultures and languages. Note that fluency in French, Spanish will be a distinct advantage. *Communications, media and social outreach* You will work on a four-person editorial team to produce original news and feature content in English, French and Spanish. A suitable, qualified candidate could also be appointed as editorial chief of our French-language website (APC.org/fr) and our twice-monthly French-language newsletter, APCNouvelles. On issues related to communications and internet policy, you will act as international media liaison and sometimes spokesperson with primarily print, web and radio media in English (and potentially Spanish and French). You will assist the communications team in developing and monitoring relationships with the media and in the production of media releases. You will keep APC up to date in social networking spaces, planning and coordinating strategic approaches to product launches and events. You will join one other communications officer in reporting to the communications manager and will work on a day-to-day basis with the CIPP manager and staff, as well as the entire APC staff and its members. Most of the work takes place in mailing lists. *Remuneration and working conditions* The remuneration for this position is negotiable depending on skills, qualifications and experience. The successful applicant is expected to provide his or her own computer, have easy access to an internet connection, and work during normal office hours. Reimbursement for office supplies and communication costs will be covered by APC. While much of the communications work will take place online, some travel to meetings, conferences and workshops is expected. *How to apply* Your statement of interest is extremely important. Your CV must be included as an attachment. Please consider the following in your statement: * A description of your interest in working with APC in this position * Your experience related to the requirements listed above * A rating of the languages you speak and write * A description of your computer skills * Other information you think might be of importance to our assessment of your application * Two references: names, relationship, contact details; at least one of these should be related to an online communications initiative in which you had a leadership role. Please send this information via email to jobs at apc.org with the subject line: "APC communications officer -- your name" by 29 April. -- Mallory Knodel Communications & Network Development Manager :: mallory at apc.org Association for Progressive Communications :: apc.org twitter. @malloryknodel :: xmpp. malloryk at im.mayfirst.org gpg fingerprint :: E3EB 63E0 65A3 B240 BCD9 B071 0C32 A271 BD3C C780 -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Apr 10 02:52:26 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:22:26 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <1454a68a458.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Given that most people on the list don't know her from adam, there isn't as much point as you would think in entering into a he said she said series of accusations against any specific individual. On 10 April 2014 11:18:34 am parminder wrote: > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian > civil society. > > Now, we have a newspaper report > > which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much more > importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as > NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and > high level committee. > > At least please respond to the issue. > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what > they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society > involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further > exacerbated by the news report > > in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. > > Thanks > > parminder > > On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of > NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the > meeting), please find attached: > > > > (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. > Virgilio Almeida, > > (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. > Virgilio Almeida; > > (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. > > > > Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper > giving some of the context behind this: > http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx > > > > > > Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning > plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. > > > > Regards, > > Rishab Bailey > > (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Apr 10 03:23:21 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:23:21 +1000 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> Hi Parminder, I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back, but let me respond again as this is escalating. Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet governance were available – including from India, and including women from India. However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more of us who share that. The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the elements of a personal attack. So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the prevailing circumstances. Ian Peter From: parminder Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society. Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and high level committee. At least please respond to the issue. If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further exacerbated by the news report in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. Thanks parminder On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: Dear All, Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the meeting), please find attached: (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida, (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida; (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper giving some of the context behind this: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. Regards, Rishab Bailey (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Apr 10 03:33:05 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:03:05 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> Message-ID: <1454a8dcff8.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> +1 On 10 April 2014 12:54:14 pm "Ian Peter" wrote: > Hi Parminder, > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back, > but let me respond again as this is escalating. > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet > governance were available – including from India, and including women from > India. > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more > of us who share that. > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the > elements of a personal attack. > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the > prevailing circumstances. > > Ian Peter > > > > > > From: parminder Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > society co-chair > > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian > civil society. > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. > And still no response. > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and > high level committee. > At least please respond to the issue. > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society > involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further > exacerbated by the news report in a top national daily of India. And we > find no visible support. > Thanks > > parminder > > On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: > > Dear All, > > Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of > NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the > meeting), please find attached: > > (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. > Virgilio Almeida, > (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio > Almeida; > (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. > > Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper > giving some of the context behind this: > http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx > > Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning > plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. > > Regards, > Rishab Bailey > (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Thu Apr 10 03:49:05 2014 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 03:49:05 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> Message-ID: <53464CF1.7070401@acm.org> Ian, Thank you for this. I was afraid to jump into this discussion, but I want to endorse what you have said. avri On 10-Apr-14 03:23, Ian Peter wrote: > Hi Parminder, > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks > back, but let me respond again as this is escalating. > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet > governance were available – including from India, and including women > from India. > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, > particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is > that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian > woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And > there are plenty more of us who share that. > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some > civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular > “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. > However, it has the elements of a personal attack. > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less > than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil > society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not > to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial > in the prevailing circumstances. > > Ian Peter > > > > > *From:* parminder > *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > society co-chair > > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society > groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from > India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of > NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the > global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed > disrespectful of the Indian civil society. > > Now, we have a newspaper report > > which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much > more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as > NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net > steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive > committee and high level committee. > > At least please respond to the issue. > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what > they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society > involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now > further exacerbated by the news report > > in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. > > Thanks > > parminder > > On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of >> NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair >> for the meeting), please find attached: >> >> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida, >> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida; >> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. >> >> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper >> giving some of the context behind this: >> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx >> >> >> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning >> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. >> >> Regards, >> Rishab Bailey >> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Thu Apr 10 04:00:19 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lorena_Jaume-Palas=ED?=) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:00:19 +0200 Subject: AW: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair Message-ID: +1 Von Samsung Galaxy Note gesendetAvri Doria hat geschrieben: Ian, Thank you for this.  I was afraid to jump into this discussion, but I want to endorse what you have said. avri On 10-Apr-14 03:23, Ian Peter wrote: > Hi Parminder, >  > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks > back, but let me respond again as this is escalating. >  > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet > governance were available – including from India, and including women > from India. >  > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, > particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is > that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian > woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And > there are plenty more of us who share that. >  > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some > civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular > “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. > However, it has the elements of a personal attack. >  > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less > than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil > society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not > to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial > in the prevailing circumstances. >  > Ian Peter >  >  >  >  > *From:* parminder > *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > society co-chair >  > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society > groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from > India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of > NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the > global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed > disrespectful of the Indian civil society. > > Now, we have a newspaper report > > which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much > more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as > NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net > steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive > committee and high level committee. > > At least please respond to the issue. > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what > they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society > involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now > further exacerbated by the news report > > in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. > > Thanks > > parminder > > On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of >> NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair >> for the meeting), please find attached: >> >> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida, >> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida; >> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. >> >> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper >> giving some of the context behind this: >> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx >> >> >> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning >> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. >> >> Regards, >> Rishab Bailey >> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 10 05:10:30 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:40:30 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> Message-ID: <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> Ian Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if you respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to you, and your supporters here? parminder PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/ newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of your stance. On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > Hi Parminder, > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks > back, but let me respond again as this is escalating. > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I > also agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of > internet governance were available – including from India, and > including women from India. > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, > particularly feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is > that this is becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young > Indian woman whose only “crime”, as far as I can see, is being > ambitious. And there are plenty more of us who share that. > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some > civil society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular > “news”, and may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. > However, it has the elements of a personal attack. > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less > than optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil > society rep appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is > not to pursue personal attacks and to work as best we can during > NetMundial in the prevailing circumstances. > Ian Peter > *From:* parminder > *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > ; > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil > Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment > of civil society co-chair > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society > groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations > from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of > NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from > the global networks with regard to that representation, which is > indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society. > > Now, we have a newspaper report > > which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much > more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as > NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net > steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive > committee and high level committee. > > At least please respond to the issue. > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what > they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society > involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now > further exacerbated by the news report > > in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. > > Thanks > > parminder > > On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair >> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society >> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached: >> >> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida, >> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida; >> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. >> >> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper >> giving some of the context behind this: >> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx >> >> >> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning >> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. >> >> Regards, >> Rishab Bailey >> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Thu Apr 10 05:45:42 2014 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:45:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <53465BD5.303@apc.org> References: <53465BD5.303@apc.org> Message-ID: <53466846.3040208@apc.org> Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier. Anriette ----------- Dear Parminder and all I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder processes which so many of you have discussed. But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the event, and on our influence on the outcomes. Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process. Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have put into this event. They are working very, very hard to make it inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the process gives everyone equal voice. I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be. Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs. I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have positive outcomes. At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in the draft outcome doc. Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these processes become less adhoc in the future. Anriette On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote: > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society > groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations > from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of > NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from > the global networks with regard to that representation, which is > indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society. > > Now, we have a newspaper report > > which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much > more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as > NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net > steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive > committee and high level committee. > > At least please respond to the issue. > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what > they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society > involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now > further exacerbated by the news report > > in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. > > Thanks > > parminder > > On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair >> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society >> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached: >> >> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida, >> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >> Virgilio Almeida; >> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. >> >> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper >> giving some of the context behind this: >> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx >> >> >> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning >> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. >> >> Regards, >> Rishab Bailey >> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 06:25:58 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 06:25:58 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I agree with Ian. These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign with zero evidence behind it. "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. " Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing. I agree with Anriette. It is also impolitic. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder wrote: > Ian > > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if you > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to you, > and your supporters here? > > parminder > > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/ > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of your > stance. > > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Hi Parminder, > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back, > but let me respond again as this is escalating. > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet > governance were available – including from India, and including women from > India. > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more > of us who share that. > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the > elements of a personal attack. > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the > prevailing circumstances. > > Ian Peter > > > > > From: parminder > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > society co-chair > > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian > civil society. > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And > still no response. > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and > high level committee. > > At least please respond to the issue. > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG > writing a representation, about issues that are now further exacerbated by > the news report in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible > support. > > Thanks > > parminder > > On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: > > Dear All, > > Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of > NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the > meeting), please find attached: > > (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. > Virgilio Almeida, > (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio > Almeida; > (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. > > Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper giving > some of the context behind this: > http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx > > Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning plagiarism > charges) are also attached to this email. > > Regards, > Rishab Bailey > (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) > > > ________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Thu Apr 10 06:52:02 2014 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:52:02 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi, I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that as I have little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right inside Indian CS community. Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive approach. Let's move on. Izumi 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTimさんは書きました: > I agree with Ian. > > These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign > with zero evidence behind it. > > "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly > close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change > is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at > Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. " > > Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing. > > I agree with Anriette. It is also impolitic. > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder > wrote: > > Ian > > > > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or > > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is > > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if > you > > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on > > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of > > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why > > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to > you, > > and your supporters here? > > > > parminder > > > > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below > > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/ > > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of > your > > stance. > > > > > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > > > Hi Parminder, > > > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks > back, > > but let me respond again as this is escalating. > > > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also > > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet > > governance were available - including from India, and including women > from > > India. > > > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, > particularly > > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is > > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose > only > > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty > more > > of us who share that. > > > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some > civil > > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and > > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the > > elements of a personal attack. > > > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less > than > > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society > rep > > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue > > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the > > prevailing circumstances. > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > From: parminder > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > > society co-chair > > > > > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society > groups a > > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India > wrote > > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was > > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with > > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the > Indian > > civil society. > > > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of > > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly > who > > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. > And > > still no response. > > > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net > steering > > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee > and > > high level committee. > > > > At least please respond to the issue. > > > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they > > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... > > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 08:56:34 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:56:34 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> Message-ID: In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community. Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be recognised by civil society as coming from among them. Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting. Deirdre On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on > the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that as I have > little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right > inside Indian CS community. > > Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive > approach. > > Let's move on. > > Izumi > > > 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTimさんは書きました: > > I agree with Ian. >> >> These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign >> with zero evidence behind it. >> >> "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly >> close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change >> is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at >> Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. " >> >> Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing. >> >> I agree with Anriette. It is also impolitic. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder >> wrote: >> > Ian >> > >> > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or >> > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who >> is >> > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if >> you >> > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on >> > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of >> > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why >> > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to >> you, >> > and your supporters here? >> > >> > parminder >> > >> > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below >> > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/ >> > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of >> your >> > stance. >> > >> > >> > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >> > >> > Hi Parminder, >> > >> > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks >> back, >> > but let me respond again as this is escalating. >> > >> > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the >> > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also >> > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet >> > governance were available - including from India, and including women >> from >> > India. >> > >> > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi >> > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, >> particularly >> > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is >> > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose >> only >> > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty >> more >> > of us who share that. >> > >> > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some >> civil >> > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, >> and >> > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the >> > elements of a personal attack. >> > >> > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while >> > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial >> > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less >> than >> > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society >> rep >> > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue >> > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the >> > prevailing circumstances. >> > >> > Ian Peter >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: parminder >> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM >> > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society >> > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil >> > society co-chair >> > >> > >> > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... >> > >> > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society >> groups a >> > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India >> wrote >> > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was >> > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with >> > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the >> Indian >> > civil society. >> > >> > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of >> > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly >> who >> > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big >> business. And >> > still no response. >> > >> > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net >> steering >> > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee >> and >> > high level committee. >> > >> > At least please respond to the issue. >> > >> > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what >> they >> > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil >> society... >> > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG >> > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Apr 10 09:32:18 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:32:18 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community. Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be recognised by civil society as coming from among them. After members of a number of Indian civil society organizations raised this matter a few weeks ago, we asked for clarification through the executive multistakeholder committee. We were told the selection of co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting. This is not unusual, for example the selection of Chair of the IGF and IGF session chairs is the choice of the host country. It seems no stakeholder group was consulted about these appointments, civil society has not been treated differently (that of course does not make it right.) So it doesn't really matter if we "don't know her from adam" (hello :-)). I am not saying this is the correct way to continue, and hopefully we'll see relevant text about the broader issue of selection for such positions in the NETmundial drafts. As for the content of the newspaper article, there's a lot of conjecture and not very much relevant fact. That is not to dismiss the concerns of the organizations raising the complaint, but there's not much hard evidence. I agree with Anriette's comments. Adam > Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting. > Deirdre > > > On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that as I have little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right inside Indian CS community. > > Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive approach. > > Let's move on. > > Izumi > > > 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTimさんは書きました: > > I agree with Ian. > > These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign > with zero evidence behind it. > > "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly > close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change > is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at > Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. " > > Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing. > > I agree with Anriette. It is also impolitic. > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder wrote: > > Ian > > > > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or > > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is > > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if you > > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on > > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of > > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why > > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to you, > > and your supporters here? > > > > parminder > > > > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below > > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/ > > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of your > > stance. > > > > > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > > > Hi Parminder, > > > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back, > > but let me respond again as this is escalating. > > > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also > > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet > > governance were available – including from India, and including women from > > India. > > > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly > > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is > > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only > > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more > > of us who share that. > > > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil > > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and > > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the > > elements of a personal attack. > > > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than > > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep > > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue > > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the > > prevailing circumstances. > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > From: parminder > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > > society co-chair > > > > > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a > > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote > > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was > > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with > > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian > > civil society. > > > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of > > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who > > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And > > still no response. > > > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering > > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and > > high level committee. > > > > At least please respond to the issue. > > > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they > > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... > > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From garth.graham at telus.net Thu Apr 10 09:33:01 2014 From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 06:33:01 -0700 Subject: [governance] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> Message-ID: <9E809D34-419B-42E2-9830-EB753F108022@telus.net> That's a good question, particularly because the capacity of the individual to make a choice, and to thereby gain the freedom that results from commitment, is fundamental to the formation of community. But, in that phrase, "is expected to commit," I'm hearing someone undefined asking "all" who come to the table to swear something like an oath of allegiance. Elsewhere in the draft, you become defined as an "interested party" by "committing to "advancing this discussion" within a particular framework. Then there's a phrase with an imperative, "All stakeholders MUST renew their commitment to build a people centered, inclusive and development oriented Information Society." Isn't there a whiff of the ecclesiastical in this language? WSIS never defined "Information Society" and neither does this draft NETmundial outcome document. It would seem to me that "trust, then run the Information Society's code" should be enough of a commitment. I remain committed to community networking. In the framework of exploring what happens to community when we are all online, I see that local issues of adapting the uses of the Internet for community development actually represent issues of governance. I see that community is a critical structural element of the changing "distributed" nature of the societies that are emerging. In another thread on IGC, Anriette Esterhuysen (April 10/14) noted the importance "for us to look at whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs." I'm not finding the view that the global has become a federation of locals reflected in the document. GG On 2014-04-09, at 12:28 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial. > > In this paragraph are we supposed to read "are expected to commit" as "it is probable that they will commit" or "they must commit"? Either meaning is possible in the context. > Deirdre > > > On 9 April 2014 14:08, Garth Graham wrote: > There are two key words used in this draft document that are mutually exclusive but not acknowledged as such - "universal" and "distributed." Universal is mechanistic and comes from the world of management control, where systems are closed and rules are imposed on them from outside. It reflects a conventional belief that the future can and should be rendered more predictable. Distributed describes a functional principle of complex adaptive systems, i.e. the world of ecosystems, where systems are open and rules emerge from internal relationships. The future of such systems cannot be known from their initial conditions. These two words represent structural principles of governance that are incompatible. I have always believed that the existence of the Internet was a symptom of the distributed systems worldview in action. > > To effectively increase the resilience of the Internet Governance Ecosystem, it is not enough to reference open systems. The processes of rules formation and future anticipation should be trending towards that word distributed and its internal relational implications. It seems to me that this document does not fully take the implications of distributed open systems to heart. The evidence of an intention to cling to the universal is the call that: > > > All the organizations, forums and processes of the Internet Governance ecosystem are expected to commit to implementing, as well as explicitly adhere, to all the principles agreed in NETmundial. > > To make such a commitment would be to accept that there are universal principles external to the Internet Governance ecosystem that govern what it can do and that can render its future more predictable. That pushes us towards some global centralizing mechanism. It's also bad systems theory. For example, if we defined the global in distributed terms as a "federation of locals," rather than as a universalizing principle, we insure that what we commit to is a process where the rules structuring relational interdependencies evolve within from common practice. > > GG > > On 2014-04-08, at 8:56 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > > > PDF link: http://goo.gl/z5bFXm > > > > https://wikileaks.org/netmundial-outcome/ > > > > NETmundial Executive Stakeholder Committee (EMC) Outcome Document > > Tuesday 8 April 2014, 15:30 GMT > > > > Today WikiLeaks released the penultimate draft agreement ("Outcome Document") going into NETmundial 2014 - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. NETmundial is an international conference of twelve nations and other internet stakeholders, to be hosted in São Paulo, Brazil, April 23-24, convened to lay down a roadmap for internet governance. It is co-hosted by the twelve goverments of Argentina, Brazil, France, Ghana, Germany, India, Indonesia, South Africa, South Korea, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States of America. The document was prepared by the NETmundial Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) from the 180 NETmundial submissions and has been submitted to the High Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) for final comment. The HLMC comprises ministerial level representation from the twelve co-hosting nations and is due to give its feedback tomorrow, on April 9. > > > > Outcome Document > > ---------------- > > This document has been created by the Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) and is submitted to the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC). > > Last Updated: April 3rd, 2014 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From carolina.rossini at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 10:17:36 2014 From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:17:36 -0400 Subject: [governance] Press Release International - Public Interest Groups Send Letter Expressing Concerns on DOTCOM Act to House Message-ID: http://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/press-release/public-interest-groups-send-letter-expressing-concerns-on-dotcom-act-to-hou -- *Carolina Rossini* *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center* Open Technology Institute *New America Foundation* // http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* skype: carolrossini @carolinarossini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is clearly something with which we are in no position to argue, since it is not "our" meeting. However any designation of that person as from civil society or representing civil society is surely something that can be questioned. The meeting has set great public store on inclusion, transparency and openness. If the majority of persons already defined as "civil society" are unfamiliar with the person chosen this becomes an important point, and such a comment should be welcomed by the organisers. But we don't yet know whether "the majority of persons already defined as "civil society" are unfamiliar with the person chosen", so far we have only conjecture. For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) I would agree that personal issues about the person selected are not particularly relevant at this point. And yes, once again we urgently need to address ourselves to the meeting documents as suggested by Anriette. Deirdre On 10 April 2014 09:32, Adam Peake wrote: > > On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > > In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as > Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her > from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the > statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should > be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community. > Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be > recognised by civil society as coming from among them. > > After members of a number of Indian civil society organizations raised > this matter a few weeks ago, we asked for clarification through the > executive multistakeholder committee. We were told the selection of > co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting. > This is not unusual, for example the selection of Chair of the IGF and IGF > session chairs is the choice of the host country. It seems no stakeholder > group was consulted about these appointments, civil society has not been > treated differently (that of course does not make it right.) So it doesn't > really matter if we "don't know her from adam" (hello :-)). > > I am not saying this is the correct way to continue, and hopefully we'll > see relevant text about the broader issue of selection for such positions > in the NETmundial drafts. > > As for the content of the newspaper article, there's a lot of conjecture > and not very much relevant fact. That is not to dismiss the concerns of > the organizations raising the complaint, but there's not much hard > evidence. I agree with Anriette's comments. > > Adam > > > > > Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be > focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting. > > Deirdre > > > > > > On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > Hi, > > I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on > the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that as I have > little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right > inside Indian CS community. > > > > Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive > approach. > > > > Let's move on. > > > > Izumi > > > > > > 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTimさんは書きました: > > > > I agree with Ian. > > > > These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign > > with zero evidence behind it. > > > > "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly > > close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change > > is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at > > Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. " > > > > Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing. > > > > I agree with Anriette. It is also impolitic. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > McTim > > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder > wrote: > > > Ian > > > > > > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or > > > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who > is > > > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy > if you > > > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on > > > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position > of > > > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? > Why > > > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different > to you, > > > and your supporters here? > > > > > > parminder > > > > > > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below > > > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the > journalist/ > > > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of > your > > > stance. > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > > > > > Hi Parminder, > > > > > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks > back, > > > but let me respond again as this is escalating. > > > > > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the > > > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also > > > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet > > > governance were available - including from India, and including women > from > > > India. > > > > > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi > > > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, > particularly > > > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is > > > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose > only > > > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty > more > > > of us who share that. > > > > > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some > civil > > > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, > and > > > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has > the > > > elements of a personal attack. > > > > > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while > > > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial > > > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less > than > > > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil > society rep > > > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue > > > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the > > > prevailing circumstances. > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: parminder > > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM > > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > > > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > > > society co-chair > > > > > > > > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... > > > > > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society > groups a > > > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India > wrote > > > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It > was > > > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks > with > > > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the > Indian > > > civil society. > > > > > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of > > > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows > clearly who > > > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big > business. And > > > still no response. > > > > > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net > steering > > > committee members, and civil society members of the executive > committee and > > > high level committee. > > > > > > At least please respond to the issue. > > > > > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what > they > > > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil > society... > > > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in > IG > > > > > > -- > > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > > Japan > > www.anr.org > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > -- > > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Apr 10 11:11:16 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:41:16 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <21D2C52A-1B8D-4903-8D78-1E4E244ECD20@hserus.net> As someone else (Ian, right) pointed out she appears involved in other than igov civil society (womens empowerment etc) circles besides teaching at a top flight womens' college in New Delhi. --srs (iPad) > On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:16, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > "We were told the selection of co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting." > This is clearly something with which we are in no position to argue, since it is not "our" meeting. > However any designation of that person as from civil society or representing civil society is surely something that can be questioned. The meeting has set great public store on inclusion, transparency and openness. If the majority of persons already defined as "civil society" are unfamiliar with the person chosen this becomes an important point, and such a comment should be welcomed by the organisers. > But we don't yet know whether "the majority of persons already defined as "civil society" are unfamiliar with the person chosen", so far we have only conjecture. For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) > I would agree that personal issues about the person selected are not particularly relevant at this point. > And yes, once again we urgently need to address ourselves to the meeting documents as suggested by Anriette. > Deirdre > > >> On 10 April 2014 09:32, Adam Peake wrote: >> >> On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> >> > In this discussion we seem to be missing the most important issue; as Suresh wrote earlier in this thread "most people on the list don't know her from adam". If we can demonstrate in a more concrete manner that the statement is true, and not simply an individual opinion, then that should be communicated to the meeting organisers and to the general community. Whoever the "representative of civil society" is, he/she should be recognised by civil society as coming from among them. >> >> After members of a number of Indian civil society organizations raised this matter a few weeks ago, we asked for clarification through the executive multistakeholder committee. We were told the selection of co-chairs was the prerogative of the host country chair of the meeting. This is not unusual, for example the selection of Chair of the IGF and IGF session chairs is the choice of the host country. It seems no stakeholder group was consulted about these appointments, civil society has not been treated differently (that of course does not make it right.) So it doesn't really matter if we "don't know her from adam" (hello :-)). >> >> I am not saying this is the correct way to continue, and hopefully we'll see relevant text about the broader issue of selection for such positions in the NETmundial drafts. >> >> As for the content of the newspaper article, there's a lot of conjecture and not very much relevant fact. That is not to dismiss the concerns of the organizations raising the complaint, but there's not much hard evidence. I agree with Anriette's comments. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> > Apart from that I agree with Anriette and others that we should be focussing our energy on the preliminary documents for the meeting. >> > Deirdre >> > >> > >> > On 10 April 2014 06:52, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> > Hi, >> > I also share the discomfort expressed by Indian civil society groups on the selection process, but was afraid to say more than that as I have little capacity and interest in examining what is true or who is right inside Indian CS community. >> > >> > Thus I echo with Anriette's fairly neutral, honest and constructive approach. >> > >> > Let's move on. >> > >> > Izumi >> > >> > >> > 2014年4月10日木曜日、McTimさんは書きました: >> > >> > I agree with Ian. >> > >> > These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign >> > with zero evidence behind it. >> > >> > "Deepening the controversy, Bhatia also appears to be particularly >> > close to one of the civil society bodies on the MAG. Media for Change >> > is a trust operated by Subi Chaturvedi, an assistant professor at >> > Delhi-based Lady Shri Ram College for women. " >> > >> > Being "particularly close" is not evidence of any wrongdoing. >> > >> > I agree with Anriette. It is also impolitic. >> > >> > -- >> > Cheers, >> > >> > McTim >> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 AM, parminder wrote: >> > > Ian >> > > >> > > Your response is well I dont know whether I should call it shocking or >> > > amusing... As the article shows, it is not about Subi but what and who is >> > > behind her. One question occurs to me to ask you and I will be happy if you >> > > respond to it. Would you have been as indifferent if you had learnt on >> > > considerable evidence that someone had been planted into the position of >> > > civil society co chair of NetMundial by say, the Iranian government? Why >> > > would a similar subversive act of US big business look any different to you, >> > > and your supporters here? >> > > >> > > parminder >> > > >> > > PS: The shocking part are the considerable allegations your email below >> > > makes about the Indian civil society groups involved and the journalist/ >> > > newspaper who wrote the article... I simply dont know what to make of your >> > > stance. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Parminder, >> > > >> > > I did respond last time you posted information on this several weeks back, >> > > but let me respond again as this is escalating. >> > > >> > > Firstly, I agree with you and the Indian civil society groups that the >> > > appointment and the way it was undertaken was less than optimal. I also >> > > agree that far more experienced candidates in the area of internet >> > > governance were available – including from India, and including women from >> > > India. >> > > >> > > However, despite her inexperience in internet governance areas, Subi >> > > Chaturvedi appears to be quite active in civil society issues, particularly >> > > feminist issues. I am concerned that what is happening is that this is >> > > becoming an increasingly personal attack on a young Indian woman whose only >> > > “crime”, as far as I can see, is being ambitious. And there are plenty more >> > > of us who share that. >> > > >> > > The newspaper article clearly was written with the assistance of some civil >> > > society groups or members to discredit her. It is not regular “news”, and >> > > may or may not be accurate in all of its assertions. However, it has the >> > > elements of a personal attack. >> > > >> > > So I am personally uncomfortable with pursuing this any further, while >> > > recognising that it was important for Indian NGOs to make the initial >> > > contact with the Chair to express reservations. Someone has given less than >> > > optimal advice to the Chair, and we may not have the best civil society rep >> > > appointed, but I believe the most important thing now is not to pursue >> > > personal attacks and to work as best we can during NetMundial in the >> > > prevailing circumstances. >> > > >> > > Ian Peter >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > From: parminder >> > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:47 PM >> > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> > > Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society >> > > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil >> > > society co-chair >> > > >> > > >> > > I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... >> > > >> > > this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a >> > > few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote >> > > a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was >> > > most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with >> > > regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian >> > > civil society. >> > > >> > > Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of >> > > plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who >> > > is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And >> > > still no response. >> > > >> > > May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering >> > > committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and >> > > high level committee. >> > > >> > > At least please respond to the issue. >> > > >> > > If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they >> > > would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... >> > > Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> Izumi Aizu << >> > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> > Japan >> > www.anr.org >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Thu Apr 10 11:26:51 2014 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:26:51 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote: > For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some > difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I know some, and less well than others. Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 11:30:54 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (williams.deirdre at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:30:54 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> Message-ID: <1896851798-1397143880-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1153387964-@b4.c3.bise6.blackberry> Thank you Avri. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria Sender: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:26:51 To: Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Avri Doria Cc: Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote: > For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some > difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I know some, and less well than others. Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Apr 10 11:37:40 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:07:40 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> Message-ID: <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net> Good then. Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says. Thanks for pointing that out. --srs (iPad) > On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria wrote: > > > >> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some >> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) > > > Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and > knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I > know some, and less well than others. > > Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set. > > avri > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Thu Apr 10 11:48:51 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:48:51 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <53466846.3040208@apc.org> References: <53465BD5.303@apc.org> <53466846.3040208@apc.org> Message-ID: <5346BD63.5050508@cafonso.ca> I obviously (writing in my personal capacity, not representing anyone) agree with Anriette. I respect the internal divergences and political struggles within India, but this "war on Chaturvedi" got out of proportion, particularly because the locus of concrete decisions regarding NETmundial is *not* in the meeting's chairship. A "war", incidentally, which I did not see when she was appointed to the MAG, but then it might have happened and escaped me. As the issue seems to be recurrent now, I am really concerned our excellent and combative CS reps from India might take this as *the* issue in the scant two days we will have in Sampa. Prioritize, please! fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/10/2014 06:45 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier. > > Anriette > > ----------- > > Dear Parminder and all > > I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil > society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection > process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have > been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important > for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples > when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty > roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case > selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an > example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder > processes which so many of you have discussed. > > But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to > move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the > event, and on our influence on the outcomes. > > Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put > these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process. > Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have > put into this event. They are working very, very hard to make it > inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the > process gives everyone equal voice. > > I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made > to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of > certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I > think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use > this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be. > Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising > CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at > whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs. > > I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil > society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a > personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have > positive outcomes. > > At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the > substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For > example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than > it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in > the draft outcome doc. > > Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these > processes become less adhoc in the future. > > Anriette > > > On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote: >> >> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... >> >> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society >> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations >> from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of >> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from >> the global networks with regard to that representation, which is >> indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society. >> >> Now, we have a newspaper report >> >> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much >> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as >> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. >> >> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net >> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive >> committee and high level committee. >> >> At least please respond to the issue. >> >> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what >> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil >> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society >> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now >> further exacerbated by the news report >> >> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. >> >> Thanks >> >> parminder >> >> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair >>> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society >>> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached: >>> >>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >>> Virgilio Almeida, >>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >>> Virgilio Almeida; >>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. >>> >>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper >>> giving some of the context behind this: >>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx >>> >>> >>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning >>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rishab Bailey >>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 12:02:17 2014 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:32:17 +0530 Subject: [governance] Message relevant to a very small proportion of List participants: from the southern region of India: NETmundial Remote Participation Hub Message-ID: List participants from the southern region of India, who prefer Chennai as a location for participation could take part from this Hub (There are five hubs in India in Total. This is about the Chennai Hub to be organized and operated by the Members of the Internet Society India Chennai) https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c8qcjlodo83e59npikmbcsqbbcg?authkey=CJ_wlZCKtofiVQ The registration form is at page https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1P6yRl3KR0CdUliOtEQcU4LqJPmBW_zdzKxEC0NuD2a4/viewform Facebook Event page: https://www.facebook.com/events/752247164795246 Google + : https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c8qcjlodo83e59npikmbcsqbbcg?authkey=CJ_wlZCKtofiVQ If you have friends from this region who may be interested, please share. There is a more importance purpose in looking for participants from this list: Participants familiar with the Internet Governance process and the current issues of relevance to NETmundial could offer an overview to those who are new to Internet Governance. In this hub, there are likely to be many who are new to the Internet Governance multi-stakeholder process and to the issues. 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Kind regards, Stephanie Perrin On 2014-04-10, at 5:45 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier. > > Anriette > > ----------- > > Dear Parminder and all > > I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder processes which so many of you have discussed. > > But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the event, and on our influence on the outcomes. > > Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process. Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have put into this event. They are working very, very hard to make it inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the process gives everyone equal voice. > > I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be. Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs. > > I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have positive outcomes. > > At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in the draft outcome doc. > > Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these processes become less adhoc in the future. > > Anriette > > > On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote: >> >> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... >> >> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from the global networks with regard to that representation, which is indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society. >> >> Now, we have a newspaper report which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. >> >> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive committee and high level committee. >> >> At least please respond to the issue. >> >> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now further exacerbated by the news report in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. >> >> Thanks >> >> parminder >> >> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society co-chair for the meeting), please find attached: >>> >>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida, >>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. Virgilio Almeida; >>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. >>> >>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper giving some of the context behind this: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx >>> >>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rishab Bailey >>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Apr 10 12:11:50 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 01:11:50 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net> Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Good then. Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her Suresh, "parminder & friends" happen to be a very reputable group of civil society organizations with the long history of serious contributions to Internet governance dialogue. They are also a very diverse group, that they are so united in this is a suggestion that we should pay attention. Your knee seems to be jerking again. And I agree with Carlos - "Prioritize, please!" Adam > doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says. Thanks for pointing that out. > > --srs (iPad) > >> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some >>> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) >> >> >> Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and >> knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I >> know some, and less well than others. >> >> Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set. >> >> avri >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Apr 10 12:56:10 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:26:10 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net> Message-ID: There are some names there that I recognize and respect for their contributions. Others possibly less so. This was simply an exercise in pointing out the aptness of avri's statement here. If she knows this person to the extent she does, and the organizations that signed this letter do not, that is about the same as my not recognizing at least two or three out of the orgs in that group. Which I agree is knee jerk but serves to highlight, by example, what appears to be a knee jerk reaction from said group of cs orgs. --srs (iPad) > On 10-Apr-2014, at 21:41, Adam Peake wrote: > > >> On Apr 11, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> >> Good then. Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her > > > Suresh, "parminder & friends" happen to be a very reputable group of civil society organizations with the long history of serious contributions to Internet governance dialogue. They are also a very diverse group, that they are so united in this is a suggestion that we should pay attention. Your knee seems to be jerking again. > > And I agree with Carlos - "Prioritize, please!" > > Adam > > > > >> doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says. Thanks for pointing that out. >> >> --srs (iPad) >> >>> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>>> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had some >>>> difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) >>> >>> >>> Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years and >>> knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better than I >>> know some, and less well than others. >>> >>> Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set. >>> >>> avri >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Thu Apr 10 17:35:07 2014 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:35:07 +0000 Subject: [governance] RE: [discuss] Wikileaks releases Penultimate NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: <5345D2C4.5070406@gmail.com> References: <53441C3F.4010005@cis-india.org> <5345D2C4.5070406@gmail.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter > Good to know that the organisers have kindly prepared the conclusions > before the meeting. While that technique is often practiced by people > trying to avoid the inconvenience of argument and dissent, it's hardly > in the spirit of open debate and the emergence of a true consensus at the meeting itself. This, coming from someone who has been defending ICANN's attempt to rule out of scope any proposal for the IANA transition that does not serve its organizational interest? How ironic. > I would have preferred to see a draft statement of the issues as a guideline > for debate. That's what it is, actually. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 18:23:27 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:23:27 -0700 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <1430C804-72AC-4848-8309-BAB3C80B8D0C@glocom.ac.jp> <5346B83B.7020502@acm.org> <6B4E431F-233D-4EC0-A8B1-20C55957AC55@hserus.net> Message-ID: <01f801cf550b$7f2005c0$7d601140$@gmail.com> Without commenting on the substance of the issues here and leaving aside issues of the suitability of Ms. Chaturvedi's appointment from a "character" perspective, something that perhaps would best be left to our Indian CS colleagues for comment; what is of particular significance to international Civil Society should be her suitability from a "political" perspective. Her evident ties to the corporate sector combined with the murky process of her nomination/appointment as co-Chair of the event without apparent consultation or evident deep ties to or extensive experience in the CS community casts further shadows on the overall legitimacy of the NetMundial multistakeholder process and its outcomes. M -----Original Message----- From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Adam Peake Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:12 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Suresh Ramasubramanian Cc: Avri Doria; Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair On Apr 11, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Good then. Just because parminder & friends haven't ever heard of her Suresh, "parminder & friends" happen to be a very reputable group of civil society organizations with the long history of serious contributions to Internet governance dialogue. They are also a very diverse group, that they are so united in this is a suggestion that we should pay attention. Your knee seems to be jerking again. And I agree with Carlos - "Prioritize, please!" Adam > doesn't mean she isn't reasonably active in igov, from what Avri says. Thanks for pointing that out. > > --srs (iPad) > >> On 10-Apr-2014, at 20:56, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 10-Apr-14 10:46, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>> For myself I had never heard of her before the announcement and had >>> some difficulty finding any information. (And I do know Adam :-) ) >> >> >> Just to say, I had been on several panels with her in previous years >> and knew her as well as I know many people on the CS lists, better >> than I know some, and less well than others. >> >> Just did not want the meme that no one knew her to get set too firmly set. >> >> avri >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jfcallo at ciencitec.com Thu Apr 10 19:01:33 2014 From: jfcallo at ciencitec.com (jfcallo at ciencitec.com) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:01:33 +0000 Subject: [governance] NetMundial funding - information requested In-Reply-To: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> References: <533FCF01.30201@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <20140410230133.Horde.HU-WcIY9Wq6yWivKfG9mhw1@www.ciencitec.com> Parminder: Interesante hecho. Quien le escribe, es un activista de Internet. Fundador de ISOC, Capitulo de Peru (Capitulo que no ha renovado su Directiva, pues quienm se arroga la presidencia se ha apropiado y es importante que sepa la Comunidad de Internet). En efecto, ¿cual es el criterio para una Beca de las Organizaciones?. Por ejmplo muchas veces a pesar de garantizar replicar los acuerdos, diversificar lo aprendido, he postulado miles de ves a una Beca en LACNIC y veo en la lista que las Becas, siempre la ganan los mismos, un circulo de "amigos" que habla de masificación, desterrar la Brecha Digital, Governanza en Internet...¿un grupito es el que va a cambiar esto?. ¿saben las entidades que financian esto? lo que sucede cuando entregan su dinero para causas nobles y una casta la disfruta. Es importante que se de a conocer algo como esto. No mas puertas cerradas y "conciliabulos". Espero que lo pueda replicar en su idioma (English), pues no lo domino bien y pueda decir una cosa por otra. Gracias Atentamente José F. Callo Romero Comunicador Digital Organizador: www.internautaperu.org parminder escribió: > Someone who is not in these civil society circles, and who had > sought funding support on registering for NetMundial, asked me > information about how funding support works. Since I am not able to > help that person with this information, may I request those involved > with the meeting to provide it. Please note that this is urgent. > (The concerned person has received an email from ICANN informing him > that ICANN would support her/his travel for the meeting.) > > It will be useful to know full details about how the funding process > worked. Was there a pool of donations? Who picked up the > participants who were offered funding? What kind of criteria was > used? Why individual funders are approaching participants with > funding support, and why a centralised approach from the meeting > organisers was not made/ considered? Whether there are other > funders too making such a direct approach? Who are the funders and > what amounts have been committed? > > If say an Internet company was to approach a civil society > participant declaring that it will fund her/ his travel, it could > create a potential problem because many civil society groups have > limitations on what kind of funding for travel etc they can accept > from private companies, especially those who work in their own > activity area , and under what conditions. > > I request early information on the above since the person who has > asked for this information and her/his organisation needs to make an > early decision about accepting the funding, given the short period > to the meeting. > > Thanks > > parminder > > PS: It is not a personal gripe because two persons from IT for > Change have been offered support in a similar way and we have > accepted it. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 20:04:46 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:04:46 -0700 Subject: [governance] FW: LDC's Turning Backs on Multistakeholder Trade Agreements In-Reply-To: <024c01cf5519$11a3bb00$34eb3100$@gmail.com> References: <024c01cf5519$11a3bb00$34eb3100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <026301cf5519$a7068740$f51395c0$@gmail.com> These “Investor Treaties” are the trade equivalent of multistakeholder governance processes in that they give the private sector equal rights with governments in determining the contents of sectoral trade agreements. M From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:17 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: Investor Treaties in Trouble http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=fa9cf38799136b5660f367ba6 &id=3990f710bb&e=3f7d5d14f1 SOUTHNEWS No. 52, 10 April 2014 SOUTHNEWS is a service of the South Centre to provide information and news on topical issues from a South perspective. Visit the South Centre’s website: www.southcentre.int. Investor Treaties in Trouble By Martin Khor The tide is turning against investment treaties and free trade agreements that contain the controversial investor-state dispute system, as countries like Indonesia and Germany take action on this. The tide is turning against investment treaties that allow foreign investors to take up cases against host governments and claim compensation of up to billions of dollars. Indonesia has given notice to it will terminate its bilateral investment treaty (BIT) with the Netherlands, according to a statement issued by the Dutch Embassy in Jakarta last week. “The Indonesian Government has also mentioned it intends to terminate all of its 67 bilateral investment treaties”, according to the same statement. The Dutch statement has not been confirmed by Indonesia. But if this is correct, Indonesia joins South Africa, which last year announced it is ending all its BITS. Several other countries are also reviewing their investment treaties. This is prompted by increasing numbers of cases being brought against governments by foreign companies who claim that changes in government policies or contracts affect their future profits. Many countries have been asked to pay large compensations to companies under the treaties. The biggest claim was against Ecuador, which has to compensate an American oil company US$ 2.3 billion for cancelling a contract. The system empowering investors to sue governments in an international tribunal, thus bypassing national laws and courts, is a subject of controversy in Malaysia because it is part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) which the country is negotiating with 11 other countries. The investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) system is contained in free trade agreements (especially those involving the United States) and also in BITS which countries sign among themselves to protect foreign investors’ rights. When these treaties containing ISDS were signed, many countries did not know they were opening themselves to legal cases that foreign investors can take up under loosely worded provisions that allow them to win cases where they claim they have not been treated fairly or that there expected revenues have been expropriated. Indonesia and South Africa are among many countries that faced such cases. The Indonesian government has been taken to the ICSID tribunal based in Washington by a British company, Churchill Mining, which claimed the government violated the UK-Indonesia BIT when its contract with a local government in East Kalimantan was cancelled. Reports indicate the company is claiming compensation of US$ 1 billion to US$ 2 billion in losses. This and other cases taken against Indonesia prompted the government to review whether it should retain its many BITS. South Africa had also been sued by a British mining company which claimed losses after the government introduced policies to boost the economic capacity of the blacks to redress apartheid policies. India is also reviewing its BITS, after many companies filed cases after the Supreme Court cancelled their 2G mobile communications licenses in the wake of a high-profile corruption scandal linked to the granting of the licenses. But it is not only developing countries that are getting disillusioned by the ISDS. Europe is getting cold feet over the investor-state dispute mechanism in the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) it is negotiating with the US, similar to the mechanism in the TPPA. Several weeks ago, Germany told the European Commission that the TTIP must not have the investor-state dispute mechanism. Brigitte Zypries, an economy minister, told the German parliament that Berlin was determined to exclude arbitration rights from the TTIP deal, according to the Financial Times. “From the perspective of the [German] federal government, US investors in the EU have sufficient legal protection in the national courts,” she said. The French trade minister had earlier voiced opposition to ISDS, while a report commissioned by the United Kingdom government also pointed out problems with the mechanism. The European disillusionment has two causes. ISDS cases are also affecting the countries. Germany has been taken to ICSID by a Swedish company Vattenfall which claimed it suffered over a billion euros in losses resulting from the government’s decision to phase out nuclear power after the Fukushima disaster. And the European public is getting upset over the investment system. Two European organisations last year published a report showing how the international investment arbitration system is monopolised by a few big law firms, how the tribunals are riddled with conflicts of interest and the arbitrary nature of tribunal decisions. That report caused shockwaves not only in the civil society but also among European policy makers. In January, the European Commission suspended negotiations with the US on the ISDS provisions in the TTIP, and announced it would hold 90 days of consultations with the public over the issue. In Australia, the previous government decided it would not have an ISDS clause in its future FTAs and BITS, following a case taken against it by Philip Morris International which claimed loss of profits because of laws requiring only plain packaging on cigarette boxes. In Malaysia, the ISDS is one of the major controversial issues relating to the TPPA. Many business, professional and public-interest groups want the government to exclude the ISDS as a “red line” in the TPPA negotiations. Prime Minister Dato’ Sri Najib Tun Razak had also mentioned investment policy and ISDS as one of the issues (the others being government procurement and state owned enterprises) in the TTPA that may impinge on national sovereignty, when he was at the APEC Summit and TPPA Summit in Indonesia last year. So far the United States has stuck to its position that ISDS has to be part of the TPPA and TTIP. However if the emerging European opposition affects the TTIP negotiations, it could affect the TPPA as this would strengthen the position of those opposed to ISDS. Meanwhile, we can also expect more countries to review their BITS. Developing countries seeking to end their bilateral agreements with European countries can point to the fact that more and more European countries are themselves having second thoughts about the ISDS embedded in these agreements. Author: Martin Khor is the Executive Director of the South Centre. Contact: director at southcentre.int. To view other articles in SouthNews, please click here. For more information, please contact Vicente Paolo Yu of the South Centre: Email yu at southcentre.int, or telephone +41 22 791 80 50 . -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sid-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri Apr 11 08:35:01 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:35:01 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> McTim wrote: > These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign > with zero evidence behind it. For what it's worth, I was in India in mid-February at a civil society meeting focused on Internet governance, shortly after the appointment of Subi Chaturvedi was announced. While it of course doesn't say too much that a European like myself didn't know who she was, it in my view says a lot that most of the Indians who were there didn't know who she was either, and it seemed that the few who had first-hand knowledge of her were outraged (considering her an "AT&T plant"). In my opinion, the one main benefit of multistakeholder processes is to allow those perspectives and viewpoints and concerns to be fully and duly taken into consideration for which this would not happen in other types of policy processes, because most perspectives and viewpoints and concerns don't enjoy the support of a powerful lobby. Nota bene I'm not claiming that this benefit arises automatically in any kind of multistakeholder process. Quite on the contrary, we need to carefully design the future of governance in regard to any particular subject matter area, in order to make sure to achieve this benefit while at the same time also ensuring that fundamental principles such as democracy, primacy of human rights, etc, are not violated. Now in regard to Netmundial, which is aimed at trying to move us a step forward in figuring out this future of governance, it is in my opinion absolutely essential that any "civil society" appointment to a key role, such as "civil society co-chair", must be someone who not only has ambitions and some claim of being a member of civil society, but someone with a track record of working to get those perspectives and viewpoints and concerns which not always heard fully and duly taken into consideration. This can't be done without becoming reasonably well-known among other civil society groups as part of that process!!! Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in itself. If her appointment to this role at Netmundial is not reconsidered, that in itself will, in my eyes at least, very seriously undermine any claim of legitimacy of Netmundial as a whole. Greetings, Norbert P.S. Cc list trimmed, in order to minimize crossposting. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net Fri Apr 11 08:51:31 2014 From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:51:31 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> Message-ID: +1 JC Le 11 avr. 2014 à 14:35, Norbert Bollow a écrit : > McTim wrote: > >> These seem to be unfounded allegations. In short a smear campaign >> with zero evidence behind it. > > For what it's worth, I was in India in mid-February at a civil society > meeting focused on Internet governance, shortly after the appointment > of Subi Chaturvedi was announced. While it of course doesn't say too > much that a European like myself didn't know who she was, it in my > view says a lot that most of the Indians who were there didn't know who > she was either, and it seemed that the few who had first-hand knowledge > of her were outraged (considering her an "AT&T plant"). > > In my opinion, the one main benefit of multistakeholder processes is to > allow those perspectives and viewpoints and concerns to be fully and > duly taken into consideration for which this would not happen in other > types of policy processes, because most perspectives and viewpoints and > concerns don't enjoy the support of a powerful lobby. > > Nota bene I'm not claiming that this benefit arises automatically in > any kind of multistakeholder process. Quite on the contrary, we need to > carefully design the future of governance in regard to any particular > subject matter area, in order to make sure to achieve this benefit > while at the same time also ensuring that fundamental principles such as > democracy, primacy of human rights, etc, are not violated. > > Now in regard to Netmundial, which is aimed at trying to move us a step > forward in figuring out this future of governance, it is in my opinion > absolutely essential that any "civil society" appointment to a key > role, such as "civil society co-chair", must be someone who not only > has ambitions and some claim of being a member of civil society, but > someone with a track record of working to get those perspectives and > viewpoints and concerns which not always heard fully and duly taken into > consideration. This can't be done without becoming reasonably > well-known among other civil society groups as part of that process!!! > > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in itself. > > If her appointment to this role at Netmundial is not reconsidered, that > in itself will, in my eyes at least, very seriously undermine any claim > of legitimacy of Netmundial as a whole. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > P.S. Cc list trimmed, in order to minimize crossposting. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 09:47:03 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > McTim wrote: > > > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in itself. and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"? Seriously? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Fri Apr 11 10:38:18 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:08:18 +0530 Subject: [governance] Initial response of Just Net Coalition to the leaked NetMUndial draft Message-ID: <5347FE5A.2020509@itforchange.net> Please find as below, and enclosed... /*Initial response of Just Net Coalition to the early draft of NetMundial outcome document*/ 11th April, 2014 We commend the NetMundial process for its openness in inviting, receiving and reviewing submissions from the range of public interest actors as well as private interest ones. We thank the Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) for developing the first draft of their report which we had the opportunity to access through wikileaks and on which we would like to comment in advance of the finalized report. We think that the EMC has made a sincere effort to combine the various inputs into a coherent whole and the resulting draft provides some useful elements. We must observe however that the inputs cannot be viewed as being truly representative of the totality of Internet users, much less of the totality of the world’s population which should benefit from the Internet, because the there is a great dis-balance in terms of groups and constituencies that have contributed inputs. We especially note positively the mention of the 'necessary and proportionate' principles for surveillance practices and the need for an international treaty to deal with jurisdictional issues, cyber crime and to restrain cyber weapons. We also commend the recommendations on open and inclusive IG processes at all level, particularly the inclusion of participation of all interested actors. Having said this, we must express our dissatisfaction with the current document as having largely failed to meet the high expectations of a new start that the world community had placed on the NetMundial meeting. That high expectation was not necessarily to achieve full consensus: we know that many issues are contentious. The expectation was that there would be a full and open airing of the issues, with frank and robust discussions. Reading between the lines, it is clear that the document effectively endorses the current Internet Governance status quo along with suggestions for minor changes. While being able to present substantially new proposals for change may have been difficult at such short notice, sadly we see the document as not even opening up new directions, and in fact perhaps closing down some that are currently being discussed in other places. In our view, the document avoids dealing with contentious issues. We believe that it is essential that the existence of such contentious issues be openly acknowledged, in particular since some of those issues have been under discussion for years and are of fundamental importance. The document does not contain any forwarding looking proposals for addressing the absence of any means or mechanisms at the global level that could democratically address the urgent and important public policy issues that currently face the global community. Further the document fails even to appropriately frame the problem. In this sense it represents a retreat from the Tunis Agenda – which is surprising, since during the 10 years since the Tunis agenda was written the the global importance of public policy issues pertaining to the Internet has only exponentially increased in importance. It is noteworthy that the Tunis agenda is referred to only once in the whole document, and in that instance as indicating quite incorrectly that that the Tunis Agenda has been implemented: “The implementation of the Tunis Agenda has demonstrated the value of the Multistakeholder model in Internet governance.” Such a statement, suggesting closure on Tunis Agenda, is really surprising especially when there is a UN working Group that is currently mandated to develop recommendations to 'fully implement Tunis Agenda' especially with regard to the key issue of addressing Internet-related public policy issues. After saying that mechanisms may be needed to address 'emerging' public policy issues (using the unfortunate term 'orphan issues' which gives a kind of 'residual' status to one of the most significant set of global public policy issues) the draft veers towards recommending (1) Internet Governance Forum (IGF) as the principal site for addressing of these issue (although in a bit apologetic and round about language) and (2) improving information flows between existing fora dealing with Internet-related public policy issues. While some believe that IGF needs to be strengthened as a global policy dialogue space, and that all kinds of information flows between concerned institutions enhanced, this recipe for 'institutional reform' basically just rubber stamps the status quo of global Internet governance. This approach would mean that there would continue to be no global policy mechanisms to respond to the range of issues that have and are emerging globally concerning the impact of the Internet in economic restructuring and in helping to ameliorate the extreme concentrations of economic, social, cultural and geo-political controls that are emerging on and through the global Internet. The current draft completely fails at its central task, which is to give direction for responding to the principal problem facing the world today: how to channel the extremely powerful forces of the Internet into the support of the public good. It is this that we and many others believe to be the central challenge and opportunity for the NetMundial meeting. The second major issue with the current document is that while it refers repeatedly to “multistakeholderism” and “stakeholders” as providing the frameworks for Internet Governance nowhere does it mention democracy or how multistakeholderism might contribute to or enhance the fundamental elements of democracy on which so much of human rights Internet freedom and social justice are based. This is truly alarming given the stridency with which so many actors are attempting to ensure that those pursuing private interests and the corporate sector have an equal role with those legitimately representing the public interest in the determination of public policy. It must be remembered that the Tunis Agenda repeatedly speaks of 'democratic (processes)' when referring to global Internet governance. Omission of this primary political norm from the NetMndial text is therefore highly objectionable and completely unacceptable. The document must therefore underline that 1. while the formulation of technical standards and technical coordination activities may most effectively be undertaken through an “equal footing of all stakeholders”, there is no basis for extending such a formulation or such mechanisms beyond the technical into broader areas of public policy decision making 2. whereas all stakeholders should be able to freely input into public policy making processes, and even have a right to know how their inputs were considered, the right to make the final decisions on public policies rests with legitimate public interest actors that hold political responsibilities arising from formal democratic processes (this was also the process followed for the famous 'Marco Civil' legislation, and there can and should be no other kind of process for legitimate public policy making) . While the draft document mentions the 'respective roles and responsibilities' of stakeholders in two places, these references are mitigated through questionable language in many other places in the document. The document should therefore clearly declare that MSism outside of the technical sphere is only operative within and as a contributor to the more fundamental democratic framework, and as well the term democratic should in all places be used in conjunction with the multistakeholder terminology. As the document calls for further discussions on 'respective roles and responsibilities' it should also be mentioned that such a discussion should take place within a larger discussion and debate on the relationship between democracy and MSism. Specifically, one new item should be added to the Human Rights catalog under II on page 3: “Democracy: everyone shall have the right and opportunity to take part in the conduct of public affairs and public policy decisions, directly or through freely chosen representatives.” A third issue with the current draft is the almost total neglect of global Internet-related public policy issues of an economic, social and cultural nature. While development and cultural diversity is mentioned in the context of “Internet principles”, there is nothing concerning key global public policy issues of this nature on the operations part, which though, admirably, does talk about global agreements on surveillance and cyber peace. As the Internet increasingly determines the global distribution of economic, social and cultural resources, we need global mechanisms to deal with the emerging distortions in such distribution. It was hoped that with a developing country taking the lead for the first time in steering a global IG discussion, such issues would come to the fore, not only in terms of statements of concerns, but also in terms of actual proposals for addressing them. The draft document needs significant improvement in this regard. (Also, a full mention of the term 'net neutrality' is needed and not just a reference to 'neutrality' which can be interpreted in different ways.) Recognition of the Internet as a public good and a global commons must be stated as a primary principle underlying various Internet related public policies. Further, even on issues such as democratization of technical coordination functions and their oversight, the document does not go beyond what has recently been declared by the US government and as is being pursued by ICANN. There is a need to discuss – without any preconditions – what kind of structure is most appropriate for managing the DNS and other critical Internet resources. We must for instance affirm the need for freeing such technical coordination functions from the jurisdiction of any one country, and the simultaneous need for appropriate oversight of these functions by the global community. **Specifically, the following should be added at the end of the second paragraph of 4 of III, on page 9, add: “The operational aspects must not be subject to the law of any one country, that is, they must benefit from immunity of jurisdiction.” Given the limited time to evaluate and study this document, we are of the view that it should not be endorsed or approved at the meeting, it should be noted. It will then provide a useful input for further discussions. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Retaliation on Bank Cancellations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53480F4A.5060400@itforchange.net> A news that needs to be read closely for those discussing ICANN's internationalisation.... parminder > *Developing Nations Seek U.N. Retaliation on Bank Cancellations* > ** > */By Thalif Deen/* > UNITED NATIONS, Apr 2014 (IPS) - The 132-member Group of 77, the > largest single coalition of developing nations, has urged > Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to provide, "as soon as > possible...alternative options for banking services" in New York City > following the mass cancellation of bank accounts of U.N. missions and > foreign diplomats. > The draft resolution, a copy of which was obtained by IPS, is an > "agreed text" which has the blessings of all 132 countries, plus China. > Responding to a demand by member states for reciprocal retaliation, > the G77 requests the secretary-general to review the "U.N. > Secretariat's financial relations with the JP Morgan Chase Bank and > consider alternatives to such financial institutions and to report > thereon, along with the information requested." > Currently, the bank handles billions of dollars in the accounts > maintained by the United Nations and its agencies in New York City. > The Group expresses "deep concern" over the decisions made by several > banking institutions, including JP Morgan Chase, in closing bank > accounts of mostly developing countries, and diplomats accredited to > the United Nations and their relatives. > The resolution, which is subject to amendments, cites the 1947 U.S.- > U.N. headquarters agreement that "guarantees the rights, obligations > and the fulfillment of responsibilities by member states towards the > United Nations, under the United Nations Charter and international law." > Additionally, it cites the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic > Relations as a regulatory framework for states and international > organisations, in particular the working relationship between the > United Nations and the City of New York. > Citing the two agreements, the G77 is calling for all "necessary > measures to ensure permanent missions accredited to the United Nations > and their staff are granted equal, fair and non-discriminatory > treatment by the banking system." > Asked for an official response, U.N. Spokesperson Stephane Dujarric > told IPS: "We would not comment on a draft resolution." > At a closed-door meeting of the G77 last month, speaker after speaker > lambasted banks in the city for selectively cutting off the banking > system from the diplomatic community, describing the action as > "outrageous". > Their anger was directed mostly at JP Morgan Chase (formerly Chemical > bank) which was once considered part of the U.N. family -- and a > preferred bank by most diplomats -- and at one time was housed in the > secretariat building. > The G77 is expected to hold consultations with member states outside > the Group, specifically Western nations, before tabling the resolution > with the 193-member General Assembly later this month. > If any proposed amendments are aimed at weakening the resolution, the > G77 will go for a vote in the Assembly with its agreed text, a G77 > diplomat told IPS Thursday. > But with the Group having more than two-thirds majority in the > Assembly, the resolution is expected to be adopted either with or > without the support of Western nations. > If adopted by a majority vote, the secretary-general is expected to > abide by the resolution and respond to its demands. > The draft resolution also requests the secretary-general to review and > report to the General Assembly, within 120 days of its adoption, "of > any obstacles or impediments observed in the accounts of permanent > missions or their staff at the JP Morgan Chase Bank in the City of New > York, and the impact these impediments have on the adequate > functioning of their offices." > And to this end, the G77 invites all members to provide the > secretary-general with relevant information that will facilitate the > elaboration of such report. > In an appeal to the United States, the G77 has also underscored the > importance of the host country taking the necessary measures to ensure > that personal data and information of persons affected by the closure > of accounts is kept confidential by banking institutions, and requests > the secretary-general to work with the host country in that regard and > to report to the General Assembly within 90 days. > The closure of accounts was triggered by a request from the U.S. > treasury, which wanted all banks to meticulously report every single > transaction of some 70 "blacklisted" U.N. diplomatic missions, and > individual diplomats -- perhaps as part of a monitoring system to > prevent money laundering and terrorism financing. > But the banks have said such an elaborate exercise is administratively > expensive and cumbersome. > And as a convenient alternative, they have closed down, or are in the > process of closing down, all accounts, shutting off banks from the > diplomatic community in New York. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andrea at digitalpolicy.it Fri Apr 11 12:03:59 2014 From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:03:59 +0200 Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: My thoughts on NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance Message-ID: [ Apologies if you receive this message multiple times ] Dear all, you might be interested to read the recent blog post of Neelie Kroes, Vice-President of the European Commission and member of the High-Level Multistakeholder Committee of NETmundial, available at https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governanceand reproduced below. My thoughts on NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance Published by Neelie KROESon Friday, 11/04/2014 As the European Commission clearly stated in its Communication on Internet Policy and Governanceof 12 February 2014, conflicting visions on the future of the Internet and on how to strengthen its multistakeholder governance in a sustainable manner have intensified recently. The next two years will be critical in redrawing the global map of Internet governance. Europe must contribute to finding a credible way forward for global internet governance; it must play a strong role in defining how the internet is run and ensuring it remains a single, un-fragmented network. In less than two weeks, I will be travelling to Sao Paulo to attend NETmundial, the Multi-stakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance. The purpose of NETmundial is to develop principles of Internet governance and a roadmap for the future development of this ecosystem. This international conference comes at a very timely moment in the debates on Internet governance and I commend the Brazilian government, and in particular President Dilma Rousseff, for taking this important initiative. I was very pleased that the Brazilian Government asked me to join the High-Level Multi-stakeholder Committee of NETmundial , which oversees the overall strategy of the meeting and fosters the involvement of the international community. The members of the High-Level Multi-stakeholder Committee recently received a "draft outcome document", prepared on the basis of the more than 180 comments and submissions (including two submissionsby the European Commission) to the conference. A public consultation on the outcome documentis going to be launched by the conference organisers very shortly. In the meantime, I shared my observations on this draft document with my colleagues in the High-Level Multi-Stakeholder Committee, the co-chairs of the drafting team and with the secretariat of the conference; in a spirit of transparency, I would like to also share them with the broader Internet community. ++++++++ *From:* * KROES Neelie (CAB-KROES)Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 7:26 PMTo: 'hlmc at netmundial.br 'Subject: RE: [HLMC] NETmundial draft outcome document* *Dear colleagues,* *I read with great interest the "draft outcome document" for NETmundial prepared by the Executive Meeting Committee (EMC). I would like to thank the members of the EMC and the colleagues who supported them for the hard work that went into drafting the document in such a short amount of time.* *On behalf of the European Commission, I would like to share with you a number of observations and considerations, which I trust will be useful as we move forward towards meeting each other in Sao Paulo in two weeks' time.* *It is in my view absolutely essential that we make a collective effort to ensure that the final outcomes of NETmundial are concrete and actionable, with clear milestones and with a realistic but ambitious timeline. As I had the occasion to underline throughout my tenure as EU Commissioner for the Digital Agenda and responsible for EU Internet governance policies - and as the European Commission clearly asserted in our recent Communication on Internet Policy and Governance - I strongly believe that we need to put on the table an evolutionary but concrete agenda for addressing the limitations - whether real or perceived - of the current multi-stakeholder model for the governance of the Internet.* *In this sense, I regret to say that I find the draft outcome document too abstract and vague when it comes to the proposed roadmap. I understand the challenges that the EMC had to face in summarising the many contributions that were submitted, and I trust my remarks will be taken as a constructive contribution; but I am convinced this outcome document, as it stands, will be interpreted as putting off necessary discussions - in particular by those who have different opinion as to the value and effectiveness of the multi-stakeholder model.* *To be clear, I am not arguing that all substantive issues should be "solved" in Sao Paulo. This is neither the purpose of the meeting nor a realistic achievement to plan for, and indeed we need to have a targeted number of issues to address over the two days. However, NETmundial should definitively mark a significant "change of pace" in the discussions and deliberations that have taken place so far. My own experience in public service suggests that a necessary condition to achieve such objective is to start from a substantially more ambitious point of departure than is currently the case.* *There are a few other observations on the draft outcome document that I would like to make at this point in time.* *First of all, I found some of the language related to human rights unnecessarily weak. I refer in particular to the passage "Internet governance should be open, participatory, Multistakeholder, technology-neutral, sensitive to human rights". We have an obligation to respect and promote human rights, not merely be "sensitive" to them, and this should be clearly reflected throughout the outcome document. This includes, among a number of important issues, the protection of privacy and personal data protection, which should have a prominent role in the outcome document.* *Secondly, self-regulation and self-organisation of different stakeholders are certainly to be preserved and promoted. However, this cannot be to the detriment of basic democratic principles. It is not sufficient that the mechanisms through which "different stakeholder groups [...] self-manage their processes [are] based on publicly known mechanisms", if this results in the explicit or implicit exclusion of persons in a manner that would contradict democratic processes.* *Thirdly, I am glad that the draft outcome document recognises the importance of distributed institutional models for Internet governance, avoiding centralised solutions as a default. This is very much in line with the position of the European Commission that stronger interactions between stakeholders involved in Internet governance should be fostered via cross-cutting, issue-based dialogues, instead of through new bodies. This would allow relevant stakeholders to address specific challenges across structural and organisational boundaries. Such arrangements should be inspired by the distributed architecture of the Internet which should serve as a model for better interactions between all parties.* *In this light, let me underline that in order for such distributed models to truly work, especially for people, organisations and countries with fewer resources to devote to this policy area, it is absolutely essential that the right ICT tools are globally available. The draft outcome document does refer to this, in particular in regard to remote participation in meetings and discussions. I believe we should be more ambitious and look more carefully at the role that ICTs, including Big Data technologies, can play in this context. The European Commission is addressing this challenge via the Global Internet Policy Observatory (GIPO) initiative. I would be glad to share further details and explore how we could join forces in this endeavour, possibly as a concrete deliverable of NETmundial.* *Fourthly, I cannot stress enough how important it is that we keep the momentum towards a real and effective globalisation of core Internet functions and decisions. This is perhaps one of the most essential conditions to satisfy if we want the multi-stakeholder model for Internet governance to be seen as truly legitimate across the world. I have already had the occasion to congratulate the United States Government for its announcement of 14 March 2014, concerning the globalisation of certain IANA functions; I am therefore pleased that the draft outcome document specifically mentions the globalisation of both IANA and ICANN. I want nonetheless to underline that any such movement towards further globalisation of Internet processes should firmly and explicitly keep the public interest as a primary condition.* *I appreciate that the EMC in its proposal has tried to take maximum account of the contributions received. However, I think that the conference should not overextend the areas it wants to cover meaningfully. * *I am not convinced, for example, that the outcome document should or indeed needs to touch upon issues such as "network neutrality" and the liability of Internet intermediaries. Both are certainly very important issues in the overall debate on an open Internet, but are the subject of detailed discussions elsewhere. * *On Net Neutrality for example, legislators of the European Union are at this very moment engaged in a democratic debate on the "Connected Continent" proposal by the European Commission. I understand a similar debate is taking place in Brazil, on the "Marco Civil". We should not be seen as prejudging the outcome of a democratic procedure on such sensitive topics. * *As regards the topic of the liability of intermediaries, I believe there is no added value in referring, via potentially contentious language, to an issue which has extensively been debated in many different settings and democratic fora and has in some cases been enshrined in legislation, as is the case of the European Union. * *I trust the above observations will be taken with the same constructive spirit with which I wrote them. I am looking forward to meeting all of you in Sao Paulo.* *Yours sincerely,* *Neelie Kroes* *Vice-President of the European Commission"* Best regards, -- Andrea Glorioso (Mr) European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and Technology Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy Development Avenue de Beaulieu 25 (4/64) / B-1049 / Brussels / Belgium T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E: Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu Twitter: @andreaglorioso Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.glorioso LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro The views expressed above are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. Les opinions exprimées ci-dessus n'engagent que leur auteur et ne sauraient en aucun cas être assimilées à une position officielle de la Commission européenne. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri Apr 11 12:16:21 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:16:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> Message-ID: <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill> Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400 schrieb McTim : > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > McTim wrote: > > > > > > > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of > > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in > > itself. > > and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"? > > Seriously? Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why would being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at the "stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial??? Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society body to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be something that could be considered as part of the kind of track record that I was talking about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 12:41:45 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:41:45 -0700 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill> Message-ID: <071001cf55a4$ed3191c0$c794b540$@gmail.com> The issue of "personal" vs. "political" still stands. The question is who put her on/nominated her for the MAG and for what purpose... It clearly wasn't CS as she wasn't nominated by any of the conventional CS processes and to the best of my knowledge no alternative CS process has come forward to acknowledge them having nominated her... M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Norbert Bollow Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:16 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400 schrieb McTim : > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > McTim wrote: > > > > > > > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of > > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in > > itself. > > and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"? > > Seriously? Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why would being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at the "stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial??? Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society body to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be something that could be considered as part of the kind of track record that I was talking about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri Apr 11 13:42:55 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:42:55 +0200 Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: My thoughts on NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140411194255.5b2805d2@quill> Andrea Glorioso wrote: > you might be interested to read the recent blog post of Neelie Kroes, > Vice-President of the European Commission and member of the High-Level > Multistakeholder Committee of NETmundial, available at > https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governanceand actually it's https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governance Anyway I'm very positively impressed. I particularly appreciate the emphasis on strengthening the Netmundial outcome document in regard to the role that human rights need to play and in regard to the need for Internet related governance decisions to be made in ways that do not contradict democracy. The point about not putting off certain important discussions is also good and very well-stated, IMO. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 14:52:51 2014 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:52:51 +0000 Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: My thoughts on NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance In-Reply-To: <20140411194255.5b2805d2@quill> References: <20140411194255.5b2805d2@quill> Message-ID: I'm also positively impressed with her concise and result- and action-oriented take on NETmundial, with a clear vision and a decisive tone. The good thing is that presumably many others will notice, too. Now, Andrea, where are you guys at with the GIPO project? Will you have aomething to show at NETmundial as she seems to imply? Thanks, Mawaki ===================================== Mawaki Chango, PhD Founder and Owner DIGILEXIS Consulting m.chango at digilexis.com | http://www.digilexis.com Twitter: @digilexis | @dig_mawaki | Skype: digilexis ====================================== On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Andrea Glorioso wrote: > > > you might be interested to read the recent blog post of Neelie Kroes, > > Vice-President of the European Commission and member of the High-Level > > Multistakeholder Committee of NETmundial, available at > > > https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governanceand > > actually it's > > > https://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governance > > Anyway I'm very positively impressed. > > I particularly appreciate the emphasis on strengthening the Netmundial > outcome document in regard to the role that human rights need to play > and in regard to the need for Internet related governance decisions > to be made in ways that do not contradict democracy. The point about not > putting off certain important discussions is also good and very > well-stated, IMO. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com Fri Apr 11 16:58:03 2014 From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:58:03 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <071001cf55a4$ed3191c0$c794b540$@gmail.com> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill> <071001cf55a4$ed3191c0$c794b540$@gmail.com> Message-ID: If Civil Society does not get a favourable outcome in the meeting, will civil society conclude that "powerful lobbies" planted a mole to steer their agenda as the co-chair and that is why they lost? Can we say with confidence that Chaturvedi will(not) represent the interests of the Civil Society? On 11/04/2014, michael gurstein wrote: > The issue of "personal" vs. "political" still stands. > > The question is who put her on/nominated her for the MAG and for what > purpose... It clearly wasn't CS as she wasn't nominated by any of the > conventional CS processes and to the best of my knowledge no alternative CS > process has come forward to acknowledge them having nominated her... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Norbert Bollow > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:16 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > society co-chair > > Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400 > schrieb McTim : > >> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> > McTim wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of >> > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in >> > itself. >> >> and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"? >> >> Seriously? > > Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why would > being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at the > "stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial??? > > Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society body > to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be something > that > could be considered as part of the kind of track record that I was talking > about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pranesh at cis-india.org Fri Apr 11 17:15:15 2014 From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:15:15 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <53466846.3040208@apc.org> References: <53465BD5.303@apc.org> <53466846.3040208@apc.org> Message-ID: <53485B63.7060202@cis-india.org> Very well put, Anriette. Thank you. And along with the processes going forward being "less ad-hoc", I would add, "open to new participants and perspectives", since that seems to be an important theme that's cropping up. But I do wish those new participants to IG dialogues would bring with them expertise in their own fields, and that such expertise enriches their participation in IG discussions. That having been said, I can find scanty evidence online of such expertise in the present case. Searches for her academic writings yield very little, for instance. I do hope this lack of trust can be bridged soon, though. Anriette Esterhuysen [2014-04-10 11:45:42 +0200]: > Resending this. Seems not to have gone through earlier. > > Anriette > > ----------- > > Dear Parminder and all > > I shared the concerns expressed in the original letter from civil > society to the Chair of the NetMundial, and feel that the selection > process of the co-chairs were simply not 'solid' enough. Concerns have > been raised by some of the other co-chairs too. I think it was important > for Indian civil society to send this letter. There are many examples > when selection of non-governmental stakeholders is done in a pretty > roughshod personalised ways. It affects CS most of all, but in this case > selection of the business co-chair has also been questioned. It is an > example of the lack of maturity/clarity etc. in multi-stakeholder > processes which so many of you have discussed. > > But I believe that the point has been made, and that the best way to > move forward is to focus on the event, on civil society's voice at the > event, and on our influence on the outcomes. > > Engaging in taking this forward at this point would, I believe, put > these at risk, and possibly harm the legitimacy of the overall process. > Consider all the hard work that civil society colleagues in Brazil have > put into this event. They are working very, very hard to make it > inclusive, to get people CS to Sao Paulo, and to make sure that the > process gives everyone equal voice. > > I am not saying the process is perfect, but I think effort has been made > to keep it inclusive and transparent. This is clearly an example of > certain decisions being problematicm - this being one of them. But I > think that they have acknowledged it, and we should move on, and use > this event as the strategic opportunity I still believe it can be. > Co-chair selection should not be seen as a primary way of recognising > CS. It is pretty ceremonial. Far more important for us to look at > whether our views are reflected in the draft outcome docs. > > I also believe that continuing with this campaign will damage civil > society in other ways. It is not a constructive struggle. Attacks of a > personal nature against anyone tends to be negative and rarely have > positive outcomes. > > At this point we should be looking at the bigger picture of the > substantive issues that we want to be discussed at NetMundial. For > example, I am concerned that surveillance is getting far less focus than > it deserves to. There is just a short reference to mass surveillance in > the draft outcome doc. > > Going forward the important challenge for us is to find ways of these > processes become less adhoc in the future. > > Anriette > > > On 10/04/2014 07:47, parminder wrote: >> >> I wonder if civil society groups have any response to the below... >> >> this issue was first brought to the notice to global civil society >> groups a few weeks back when almost all civil society organisations >> from India wrote a letter against appointment of Subi as co chair of >> NetMundial... It was most disappointing to face a stony silence from >> the global networks with regard to that representation, which is >> indeed disrespectful of the Indian civil society. >> >> Now, we have a newspaper report >> >> which not only produces evidence of plagiarism against Subi but , much >> more importantly, also shows clearly who is behind her installation as >> NetMundial Co chair - the US big business. And still no response. >> >> May I request the IGC co-cos to take up this issue. And also 1Net >> steering committee members, and civil society members of the executive >> committee and high level committee. >> >> At least please respond to the issue. >> >> If civil society reps wont respond to this issue, I am not sure what >> they would respond to, and in which manner they then 'represent' civil >> society... Here there is practically the entire Indian civil society >> involved in IG writing a representation, about issues that are now >> further exacerbated by the news report >> >> in a top national daily of India. And we find no visible support. >> >> Thanks >> >> parminder >> >> On Tuesday 08 April 2014 11:31 PM, Rishab Bailey wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Further to the letter from Indian civil society groups to the Chair >>> of NetMundial (regarding the appointment of the civil society >>> co-chair for the meeting), please find attached: >>> >>> (a) the original letter from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >>> Virgilio Almeida, >>> (b) follow up email from members of Indian civil society to Prof. >>> Virgilio Almeida; >>> (b) response of Prof. Almeida to Indian civil society groups. >>> >>> Also do note a recent article published in a leading Indian newspaper >>> giving some of the context behind this: >>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/executive-of-telecom-giant-that-aided-nsa-spying-is-on-india-s-cyber-security-panel/article1-1205483.aspx >>> >>> >>> Two of the documents referred to in the above article (concerning >>> plagiarism charges) are also attached to this email. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rishab Bailey >>> (for the Society for Knowledge Commons, India) >> > -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org ------------------- Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School M: +1 520 314 7147 | W: http://yaleisp.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hard for one to know what someone else will do. What we can know is that we decided to work with her to help her represent the interests of civil society. Or that we decided not to. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca Fri Apr 11 17:32:33 2014 From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:32:33 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: <53485CAD.9040808@acm.org> References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill> <071001cf55a4$ed3191c0$c794b540$@gmail.com> <53485CAD.9040808@acm.org> Message-ID: All I can add is that those of us who were elected were up all night (well, till only 3am in my case) drafting and discussing documents. At this point, we do have to prioritize on getting the texts as good as we can. Folks on the ground in Brazil have been working round the clock for weeks, if anyone wants to contribute to flowers for them, I am collecting. Kind regards, Stephanie Perrin On 2014-04-11, at 5:20 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > On 11-Apr-14 16:58, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote: >> Can we say with confidence that Chaturvedi will(not) represent the >> interests of the Civil Society? > > Hard for one to know what someone else will do. > > What we can know is that we decided to work with her to help her > represent the interests of civil society. > > Or that we decided not to. > > avri > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 17:58:31 2014 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 03:28:31 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil Society organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil society co-chair In-Reply-To: References: <5346306D.8010107@itforchange.net> <24625ED183D24F89B37AE129F898377D@Toshiba> <53466006.80804@itforchange.net> <20140411143501.10ee7968@quill> <20140411181621.65d5b9df@quill> <071001cf55a4$ed3191c0$c794b540$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Indian Civil Society letter makes me uncomfortable because it makes such a strong allegation against two individuals. One individual targeted is Virat Bhatia, about whom I heard a good opinion concerning his interest in getting our Government to pay better attention to Internet Governance issues. This opinion came from someone who is quite capable of judging people. Months later I met him during the India Internet Conference, which was an initiative that he led and did very well (In that Conference organized by him, I saw some of the the signatories of this letter or representatives from their organization as invitees, seated equally in panel discussions); The other person targeted, Subi, struck me as a very resourceful organizer who could have been a source of strength for that Conference, this was visible, she brought in student participation, and the Conference, despite some shortcomings, was a well organized event with a good quality of participation. During the India Internet Conference and in the Internet Governance Forum, Subi Chaturvedi was quite noticeable by the strength of the quality of her interventions. Many noticed her for the way she participated even as a new comer to Internet Governance, and a few would have felt that a participant like her should be encouraged. If Virat Bhatia had recommended her to positions, and he happens to be working for a Telecom Company, I would still look at it as a Grey situation: a Telecom Company, an Executive with the usual functions of promoting a company's interests in Business situations, The same Indian Executive with a possibly individual interest in Internet Governance, possibly wanting to improve India's participation in Internet Governance, a successful College Teacher who is noticed in a new environment and encouraged, a not-so-exhaustive effort to find Civil Society candidates for MAG or NETmundial, some possible flaws on the part of one of the individuals, all conveniently brought together and sensationally interpreted with a bias possibly out of misunderstanding and an inclination to rush to a conclusion. Positive judgements could be rushed, not much harm done if the positive judgement goes wrong, but such a strong negative judgement should wait, because of its potential to do irreparable damage to the person. If the signatories wanted a change, with or without a compelling reason, they could have handled it in so many other subtle ways. Sivasubramanian M On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote: > If Civil Society does not get a favourable outcome in the meeting, > will civil society conclude that "powerful lobbies" planted a mole to > steer their agenda as the co-chair and that is why they lost? > > Can we say with confidence that Chaturvedi will(not) represent the > interests of the Civil Society? > > On 11/04/2014, michael gurstein wrote: > > The issue of "personal" vs. "political" still stands. > > > > The question is who put her on/nominated her for the MAG and for what > > purpose... It clearly wasn't CS as she wasn't nominated by any of the > > conventional CS processes and to the best of my knowledge no alternative > CS > > process has come forward to acknowledge them having nominated her... > > > > M > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Norbert > Bollow > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:16 AM > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Letters from Indian Civil > Society > > organisations to the Chair of NetMundial regarding appointment of civil > > society co-chair > > > > Am Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:47:03 -0400 > > schrieb McTim : > > > >> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> > McTim wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Hence my conclusion is that the lack of any obvious track-record of > >> > the kind of work outlined above is pretty damning evidence in > >> > itself. > >> > >> and being on the MAG isn't a 'track record"? > >> > >> Seriously? > > > > Last I checked the "M" in "MAG" stood for "Multistakeholder", so why > would > > being on the MAG qualify someone to represent civil society at the > > "stakeholder group co-chair" level of Netmundial??? > > > > Well if Subi had been proposed/nominated by a reputable civil society > body > > to serve there as a "civil society representative", that'd be something > > that > > could be considered as part of the kind of track record that I was > talking > > about. But to my best knowledge that wasn't the case. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ______________________ > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > twitter.com/lordmwesh > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Sivasubramanian Muthusamy India +91 99524 03099 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 12:15:04 2014 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:15:04 -0300 Subject: [governance] Meeting EMC and next steps Message-ID: Dear all, Yesterday we had a very long call of the Executive Multistakeholder Committee and we managed to finish the review of Net Mundial initial document (principles and roadmap) from our side. The Secretariat prepared a summary of comments from HLMC members and co-hosts. We also received some track-changed versions of the initial document. Based on all those documents we received, EMC tried to introduce changes that would increase the possibility of consensus. Now there is s version 2.0 of the document. We did manage to preserve points that were important in most CS contributions to Net Mundial, such as Human Rights principles. So I see yesterday's meeting as a good step, although there is much more to come. As explained to us, this document will now go to the board and they can introduce changes. We raised our concerns about the legitimacy of the board, particularly on the side of civil society. We hope that the board will have the sensitivity to refrain from making much changes, given that this document is fruit os large amount of discussions in the multistakeholder committees. After the board's agreement, the doc will be available online for public consultation. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 01:44:13 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 22:44:13 -0700 Subject: [governance] Google, once disdainful of lobbying, now a master of Washington influence Message-ID: <0f5e01cf56db$671d6540$35582fc0$@gmail.com> Google, once disdainful of lobbying, now a master of Washington influence http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-google-is-transforming-power-and- politicsgoogle-once-disdainful-of-lobbying-now-a-master-of-washington-influe nce/2014/04/12/51648b92-b4d3-11e3-8cb6-284052554d74_story.html?hpid=z1 http://tinyurl.com/plr76oe In May 2012, the law school at George Mason University hosted a forum billed as a "vibrant discussion" about Internet search competition. Many of the major players in the field were there - regulators from the Federal Trade Commission, federal and state prosecutors, top congressional staffers. What the guests had not been told was that the day-long academic conference was in large part the work of Google, which maneuvered behind the scenes with GMU's Law & Economics Center to put on the event. At the time, the company was under FTC investigation over concerns about the dominance of its famed search engine, a case that threatened Google's core business. ....... The behind-the-scenes machinations demonstrate how Google - once a lobbying weakling - has come to master a new method of operating in modern-day Washington, where spending on traditional lobbying is rivaled by other, less visible forms of influence. That system includes financing sympathetic research at universities and think tanks, investing in nonprofit advocacy groups across the political spectrum and funding pro-business coalitions cast as public-interest projects. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jefsey at jefsey.com Mon Apr 14 03:44:07 2014 From: jefsey at jefsey.com (Jefsey) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 09:44:07 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [IANAtransition] Redlined Scoping Document In-Reply-To: References: <42c6e618a2d2489cb16c1b38cf1a961e@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <1C71E44A-059C-4E44-B202-E1C06DC63D1A@virtualized.org> <534af954.49620e0a.7752.5bd0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <534b16fa.c3080e0a.3a68.0b27SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: At 01:45 14/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: >Michel stop baiting. I did not say exclusively. I said these >technical ideas are in scope and therefore could be considered. Michel, Vint does not want to plainly respond to your good questions: however he eventually said "could" where you tested for "should". Mike Roberts has had the guts to answer: "So far, the responses on this list and elsewhere are not encouraging". Their and my common reason is simple: the NTIA question is biased and leads to an aporetic dilemma: "do you want the Internet to be American along our plan B or your plan C?" The reality is also very simple: the international catenet, under IETF logic or not, is our's. The question is to which kind of sovereignty does that "our's" resolve? Michael Gurstein is correct: the question of the NTIA is not only about the internet, but about the "internet world", i.e. our world, the world's governance, i.e. the world sovereignty. Let disambiguate the root of the question (keeping in mind that it is iterative, since it concerns a systemic evolution). 1. what is the internet? Why is it so much associated with the DNS? What is the internet we want? as long as we do not agree on these points discussions are futile. 2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need sovereignty? 3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal, geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc. 4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted meaning of each of these terms? 5. what is the best common interest in a closed global system of interests as now is the internet, where only win/win or lose/lose situations are possible. Then and only then, - one can discuss the questions posed by the NTIA: is the world sovereignty to be localized (i.e. to some specific State [USA], to Nation-States [as UN or ITU outside of US control, or GAC embedded in an US registered ICANN?]). - one can know how to follow the ICANN position which is (current Internet Coordination Policy # 3) which does not mention NTIA and calls for experimentation: "ICANN's mandate to preserve stability of the DNS [...] means that ICANN continues to adhere to community-based processes in its decisions regarding the content of the authoritative root. Within its current policy framework, ICANN can give no preference to those who choose to work outside of these processes and outside of the policies engendered by this public trust. None of this precludes experimentation done in a manner that does not threaten the stability of name resolution in the authoritative DNS. Responsible experimentation is essential to the vitality of the Internet. Nor does it preclude the ultimate introduction of new architectures that may ultimately obviate the need for a unique, authoritative root. But the translation of experiments into production and the introduction of new architectures require community-based approaches, and are not compatible with individual efforts to gain proprietary advantage." At this stage, the NTIA aporetic proposition is an "individual effort to gain proprietary advantage" to say the least. jfc >On Apr 13, 2014 7:00 PM, "Michel Gauthier" ><mg at telepresse.com> wrote: >At 23:48 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: >>part of the process initiated by ICANN has the scope to look at >>additional technical safeg uards to limit the actions of IANA and >>the TLD operators to those actions both agree to. >Dear Vint, >I just want to be sure I do not misunderstand you, because this is >very important to everyone. >You mean that you consider that the ICANN scope is the ***only*** >set of actions that is to be undertaken, with no additional >experimentation if not within the limits aproved by ICANN. Noother >backup option to be experimented. The internet users are to 100% >rely upon and to 100% trust ICANN. In other words that your entire >internet project is now to ***limit*** itself to the ICANN scope and >its internal safeguards? >This in spite of the ICANN/ICP-3 own recommendations? >What if NTIA disapproves ICANN? >M G > > > > >>v >> >> >>On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Michel Gauthier >><mg at telepresse.com> wrote: >>Dear Vint, >>Thank you to reminding us that no one has ***ever*** changed a >>national or international communication system without being >>"sponsored" by a soverign authority (USG [FCC or NTIA] or >>monopolies): Mokapetris and Postel have not introduced any change >>in the file they received.. >>So, now you state: "it is possible to fashion sufficient >>accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional >>interlocks on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an >>institutional replacement for NTIA's oversight". Don't you think it >>is a big responsibility? Without any experimentation for the >>mechanism you only guarantee the possibility. >>What do you think of those who want at least to experiment a back-up? >>M G >>At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: >>>Seun, >>>there are two separations in the present situation: NTIA as >>>contract holder and ICANN as contractor and the further >>>segregation of IANA as a distinct entity within the ICANN >>>framework. IANA is isolated from the production of policy although >>>i has to follow and execute policies developed in the ICANN >>>process and that are relevant to the IANA responsibilities. One >>>question on the table is whether the IANA functions require the >>>kind of NTIA oversight that has been in place since 1998. I would >>>recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources >>>during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested >>>the change from one master root zone server to another that >>>triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player within >>>the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by >>>his contemporaries. As many on these lists know, I believe it is >>>possible to fashion sufficient accountability and transparency >>>mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone changes >>>to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's >>>oversight.Ā >>>I appreciate your efforts to try to keep the discussion moving in >>>constructive directions. >>>vint >>>On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Seun Ojedeji >>><seun.ojedeji at gmail.com > wrote: >>>Hello Milton, >>>On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Milton L Mueller >>><mueller at syr.edu> wrote: >>> >>> > As Chip Sharp points out, there is a contractual requirement >>> for IANA staff to not >>> > be involved in policy development (other than to respond to >>> questions), but that >>> > is different than requiring the IANA Functions operator to be >>> separated from ICANN. >>>OK, so you want to play semantic games. Look, everyone involved in >>>this discussion has noted multiple times that ICANN currently has >>>_functional_ separation, via C.2.5 and other requirements. Once >>>that contractual requirement is gone, the issue is how is that >>>separation maintained. Many Ā believe structural separation will >>>be requuired. This was a point made in our original paper back on >>>March 3. Thanks for advancing the debate. >>> >>>What is functional and structural separation within the context of >>>this discussion?. I understand that by contract the IANA function >>>itself requires a separation on its own. The fact that it has a >>>separate department dedicated to it, make it a structural >>>separation within ICANN. I don't think structuring should always >>>have to do with setting up something outside of existing >>>organisation. (as i have always pointed out since the IGP proposal >>>was released) >>>So you have pointed out the right issue; which is to discuss "how >>>to maintain the current separation" (that is already structural >>>and functional) >>>Nevertheless as usual, i am open to be convinced on what aspect i >>>may have missed. ;) >>>Thanks >>>Regards >>>_______________________________________________ >>>ianatransition mailing list >>>ianatransition at icann.org >>>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Seun Ojedeji, >>Federal University Oye-Ekiti >>web:Ā Ā ÄâĀ >>http://www.fuoye.edu.ng >>Mobile: +2348035233535 >>alt email: >>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ianatransition mailing list >>ianatransition at icann.org >>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition >>_______________________________________________ >>ianatransition mailing list >>ianatransition at icann.org >>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition >_______________________________________________ >ianatransition mailing list >ianatransition at icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps the elephant is better imagined as a black hole, in the sense that it marks an absence rather than a presence. There is no more trust. We have no trust for one another, let alone trust for “them”. Please refer to the comment from Vint Cerf, from this string, quoted below. At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: I would recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested the change from one master root zone server to another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player within the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by his contemporaries. The other thing that is missing is truth, in the sense of truth as reliable information. Please refer to the final question under 4 below. On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey wrote: 2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need sovereignty? 3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal, geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc. 4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted meaning of each of these terms? A satisfactory answer to this question might move us towards a re-creation of trust. However we need to remember that in a commercial system predicated on money, the ethos, the basic values, are different. Perhaps we are expecting as automatic the appearance of values that we may espouse – trust, truth, human rights – when the system we were accustomed to has changed underneath us and those values are no longer relevant? If trust cannot be re-established, then there seems to be little chance for rapprochement among the (undefined) stakeholders, however many they may be. Deirdre On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey wrote: > At 01:45 14/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: > > Michel stop baiting. I did not say exclusively. I said these technical > ideas are in scope and therefore could be considered. > > > Michel, > > Vint does not want to plainly respond to your good questions: however he > eventually said "could" where you tested for "should". Mike Roberts has had > the guts to answer: "So far, the responses on this list and elsewhere are > not encouraging". Their and my common reason is simple: the NTIA question > is biased and leads to an aporetic dilemma: "do you want the Internet to be > American along our plan B or your plan C?" > > The reality is also very simple: the international catenet, under IETF > logic or not, is our's. The question is to which kind of sovereignty does > that "our's" resolve? Michael Gurstein is correct: the question of the NTIA > is not only about the internet, but about the "internet world", i.e. our > world, the world's governance, i.e. the world sovereignty. > > Let disambiguate the root of the question (keeping in mind that it is > iterative, since it concerns a systemic evolution). > > 1. what is the internet? Why is it so much associated with the DNS? What > is the internet we want? as long as we do not agree on these points > discussions are futile. > 2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need > sovereignty? > 3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal, > geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc. > 4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, > aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status > holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted > meaning of each of these terms? > 5. what is the best common interest in a closed global system of interests > as now is the internet, where only win/win or lose/lose situations are > possible. > > Then and only then, > - one can discuss the questions posed by the NTIA: is the world > sovereignty to be localized (i.e. to some specific State [USA], to > Nation-States [as UN or ITU outside of US control, or GAC embedded in an US > registered ICANN?]). > - one can know how to follow the ICANN position which is (current Internet > Coordination Policy # 3) which does not mention NTIA and calls for > experimentation: > > "ICANN's mandate to preserve stability of the DNS [...] means that ICANN > continues to adhere to community-based processes in its decisions regarding > the content of the authoritative root. Within its current policy framework, > ICANN can give no preference to those who choose to work outside of these > processes and outside of the policies engendered by this public trust. > None of this precludes experimentation done in a manner that does not > threaten the stability of name resolution in the authoritative DNS. > Responsible experimentation is essential to the vitality of the Internet. > Nor does it preclude the ultimate introduction of new architectures that > may ultimately obviate the need for a unique, authoritative root. But the > translation of experiments into production and the introduction of new > architectures require community-based approaches, and are not compatible > with individual efforts to gain proprietary advantage." > > At this stage, the NTIA aporetic proposition is an "individual effort to > gain proprietary advantage" to say the least. > > jfc > > > On Apr 13, 2014 7:00 PM, "Michel Gauthier" wrote: At > 23:48 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: > > part of the process initiated by ICANN has the scope to look at additional > technical safeg uards to limit the actions of IANA and the TLD operators to > those actions both agree to. > > Dear Vint, > I just want to be sure I do not misunderstand you, because this is very > important to everyone. > You mean that you consider that the ICANN scope is the ***only*** set of > actions that is to be undertaken, with no additional experimentation if not > within the limits aproved by ICANN. Noother backup option to be > experimented. The internet users are to 100% rely upon and to 100% trust > ICANN. In other words that your entire internet project is now to > ***limit*** itself to the ICANN scope and its internal safeguards? > This in spite of the ICANN/ICP-3 own recommendations? > What if NTIA disapproves ICANN? > M G > > > > > v > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Michel Gauthier > wrote: Dear Vint, Thank you to reminding us that no one has ***ever*** > changed a national or international communication system without being > "sponsored" by a soverign authority (USG [FCC or NTIA] or monopolies): > Mokapetris and Postel have not introduced any change in the file they > received.. So, now you state: "it is possible to fashion sufficient > accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks > on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement > for NTIA's oversight". Don't you think it is a big responsibility? > Without any experimentation for the mechanism you only guarantee the > possibility. What do you think of those who want at least to experiment a > back-up? M G At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: > > Seun, there are two separations in the present situation: NTIA as > contract holder and ICANN as contractor and the further segregation of IANA > as a distinct entity within the ICANN framework. IANA is isolated from the > production of policy although i has to follow and execute policies > developed in the ICANN process and that are relevant to the IANA > responsibilities. One question on the table is whether the IANA functions > require the kind of NTIA oversight that has been in place since 1998. I > would recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources during > his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested the change from > one master root zone server to another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon > was, of course, a key player within the Internet development community and > guided by and trusted by his contemporaries. As many on these lists know, I > believe it is possible to fashion sufficient accountability and > transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone > changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's > oversight.Ä€ I appreciate your efforts to try to keep the discussion > moving in constructive directions. vint On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM, > Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello Milton, On Sun, Apr > 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > > As Chip Sharp points out, there is a contractual requirement for IANA > staff to not > be involved in policy development (other than to respond > to questions), but that > is different than requiring the IANA Functions > operator to be separated from ICANN. OK, so you want to play semantic > games. Look, everyone involved in this discussion has noted multiple times > that ICANN currently has _functional_ separation, via C.2.5 and other > requirements. Once that contractual requirement is gone, the issue is how > is that separation maintained. Many Ä€ believe structural separation will > be requuired. This was a point made in our original paper back on March 3. > Thanks for advancing the debate. > > What is functional and structural separation within the context of this > discussion?. I understand that by contract the IANA function itself > requires a separation on its own. The fact that it has a separate > department dedicated to it, make it a structural separation within ICANN. I > don't think structuring should always have to do with setting up something > outside of existing organisation. (as i have always pointed out since the > IGP proposal was released) So you have pointed out the right issue; which > is to discuss "how to maintain the current separation" (that is already > structural and functional) Nevertheless as usual, i am open to be > convinced on what aspect i may have missed. ;) Thanks Regards _______________________________________________ > ianatransition mailing list ianatransition at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web:Ā Ā > ÄâĀ http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt > email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng > > > > > _______________________________________________ ianatransition mailing > list ianatransition at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition > _______________________________________________ ianatransition mailing > list ianatransition at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition_______________________________________________ > ianatransition mailing list > ianatransition at icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deirdre ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: michael gurstein Date: 14 April 2014 12:18 After some discussion with colleagues of the JNC and elsewhere I've launched an initiative/petition intended to impact on the outcome of the NetMundial meeting. I think the best possible achievable outcome of the NetMundial meeting would be an affirmation/reaffirmation of the "Internet as a Global Commons Operating in the Global Public Interest" and the petition is intended to provide an opportunity for voices globally to insist that that at least be placed on the table in Sao Paolo. The petition is available for signing at http://tinyurl.com/nawk9ak The blogpost introducing and giving the longer rationale for the petition can be found at http://tinyurl.com/opqwhs4 It would be really great if you could spread this information through your networks and invite your networks to sign on to the petition or to send notes directly to the NetMundial secretariat secretariat at netmundial.br with a copy to me at gurstein at gmail.com M -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Suppose the roads were potholed. Imagine too that its former chief lobbyist headed the highway sector's federal regulator. American drivers would not be happy. US internet users ought to be feeling equally worried. Some time in the next year, Comcast 's proposed $45.2bn takeover of Time Warner Cable is likely to be waved through by antitrust regulators. The chances are it will also get a green light from the Federal Communications Commission (headed by Tom Wheeler, Comcast's former chief lobbyist). The deal will give Comcast TWC control of 40 per cent of US broadband and almost a third of its cable television market. Such concentration ought to trigger concern among the vast majority of Americans who use the internet at home and in their work lives. Yet the backlash is largely confined to a few maverick senators and policy wonks in Washington. When the national highway system was built in the 1950s, it provided the arteries of the US economy. The internet is America's neural system - as well as its eyes and ears. Yet it is monopolised by an ever-shrinking handful of private interests. Where does it go from here? The probability is that Comcast and the rest of the industry will further consolidate its grip on the US internet because there is no one in Washington with the will to stop it. The FCC is dominated by senior former cable industry officials. And there is barely a US elected official - from President Barack Obama down - who has not benefited from Comcast's extensive campaign financing. As with the railway barons of the late 19th century, he who pays the piper picks the tune. The company is brilliantly effective. Last week, David Cohen, Comcast's genial but razor-sharp executive vice-president, batted off a US Senate hearing with the ease of a longstanding Washington insider. A half smile played over his face throughout the three-hour session. One or two senators, notably Al Franken, the Democrat from Minnesota, offered sceptical cross-examination about the proposed merger. But, for the most part, Mr Cohen received softballs. Lindsey Graham, the Republican from South Carolina, complained that his satellite TV service was unreliable when the weather was bad. Like many of his colleagues, Mr Graham either had little idea of what was at stake, or did not care. With interrogations like this, who needs pillow talk? Comcast is aided by the complexity of the US cable industry. Confusion is its ally. The real game is to control the internet. But a lot of the focus has been on the merger's impact on cable TV competition, which is largely a red herring. The TV market is in long-term decline - online video streaming is the viewing of the future. Yet Comcast has won plaudits for saying it would divest 3m television subscribers to head off antitrust concerns. Whether that will be enough to stop it from charging monopoly prices for its TV programmes is of secondary importance. The internet is the prize. The public's indifference to the rise of the internet barons is also assisted by lack of knowledge. Americans are rightly proud of the fact that the US invented the internet. Few know that it was developed largely with public money by the Pentagon - or that Google 's algorithmic search engine began with a grant from the National Science Foundation. It is a classic case of the public sector taking the risk while private operators reap the gains. Few Americans have experienced the fast internet services in places such as Stockholm and Seoul, where prices are a fraction of those in the US. When South Koreans visit the US, they joke about taking an "internet holiday". US average speeds are as little as a tenth as fast as those in Tokyo and Singapore. Among developed economies, only Mexico and Chile are slower. Even Greeks get faster downloads. So can anything stop the cable guy? Possibly. US history is full of optimistic examples. Among the dominant platforms of their time, only railways compare to today's internet. The Vanderbilts and the Stanfords had the regulators in their pockets. Yet their outsize influence generated a backlash that eventually loosened their grip. For the most part, electricity, roads and the telephone were treated as utilities and either publicly owned, or regulated in the public interest. The internet should be no exception. Much like the progressive movement that tamed the railroad barons, opposition to the US internet monopolists is starting to percolate up from the states and the cities. It is mayors, not presidents, who react to potholed roads. Last week, Ed Murray, the mayor of Seattle, declared war on Comcast even though it donated to his election campaign last year. Drawing on the outrage among Seattle's consumers, Mr Murray seems happy to bite the hand that fed him. "If we find that building our own municipal broadband is the best way forward for our citizens then I will lead the way," he said. Others, such as the town of Chattanooga, Tennessee, which is distributing high-speed internet via electricity lines, are also doing it for themselves. Forget Washington. This is where change comes from. "We need to find a path forward as quickly as possible before we [the US] fall even further behind - our economy depends on it," said Mr Murray. As indeed does America's democracy. edward.luce at ft.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Untitled attachment 01028.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2857 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies. M From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 Common Dreams April 14, 2014 US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” by Eric Zuesse In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy. The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich: Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater. Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an enormous number of policy-issues studied. What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell. Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sid-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. !DSPAM:2676,534c26bd215691645816401! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Apr 14 16:20:21 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:20:21 +1000 Subject: TRUST - was Re: [governance] Re: [IANAtransition] Redlined Scoping Document In-Reply-To: References: <42c6e618a2d2489cb16c1b38cf1a961e@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> <1C71E44A-059C-4E44-B202-E1C06DC63D1A@virtualized.org> <534af954.49620e0a.7752.5bd0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <534b16fa.c3080e0a.3a68.0b27SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Well said Deirdre From: Deirdre Williams Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:13 AM To: Internet Governance ; Jefsey Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [IANAtransition] Redlined Scoping Document There seems to be an elephant in the room again, which everyone is avoiding. Perhaps the elephant is better imagined as a black hole, in the sense that it marks an absence rather than a presence. There is no more trust. We have no trust for one another, let alone trust for “them”. Please refer to the comment from Vint Cerf, from this string, quoted below. At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: I would recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested the change from one master root zone server to another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player within the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by his contemporaries. The other thing that is missing is truth, in the sense of truth as reliable information. Please refer to the final question under 4 below. On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey wrote: 2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need sovereignty? 3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal, geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc. 4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted meaning of each of these terms? A satisfactory answer to this question might move us towards a re-creation of trust. However we need to remember that in a commercial system predicated on money, the ethos, the basic values, are different. Perhaps we are expecting as automatic the appearance of values that we may espouse – trust, truth, human rights – when the system we were accustomed to has changed underneath us and those values are no longer relevant? If trust cannot be re-established, then there seems to be little chance for rapprochement among the (undefined) stakeholders, however many they may be. Deirdre On 14 April 2014 03:44, Jefsey wrote: At 01:45 14/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: Michel stop baiting. I did not say exclusively. I said these technical ideas are in scope and therefore could be considered. Michel, Vint does not want to plainly respond to your good questions: however he eventually said "could" where you tested for "should". Mike Roberts has had the guts to answer: "So far, the responses on this list and elsewhere are not encouraging". Their and my common reason is simple: the NTIA question is biased and leads to an aporetic dilemma: "do you want the Internet to be American along our plan B or your plan C?" The reality is also very simple: the international catenet, under IETF logic or not, is our's. The question is to which kind of sovereignty does that "our's" resolve? Michael Gurstein is correct: the question of the NTIA is not only about the internet, but about the "internet world", i.e. our world, the world's governance, i.e. the world sovereignty. Let disambiguate the root of the question (keeping in mind that it is iterative, since it concerns a systemic evolution). 1. what is the internet? Why is it so much associated with the DNS? What is the internet we want? as long as we do not agree on these points discussions are futile. 2. from history and architectonical thinking does the Internet need sovereignty? 3. if yes which kind of sovereignty? legal, moral, technical, societal, geographical, cultural, ethical, military, securitary, economical, etc. 4. which kind of apparatus does that sovereignty needs? imperial, aristocratic, diktyocratic, democratic, polycratic, by stake owners, status holders, stakeholders, multitude, people. What is the commonly accepted meaning of each of these terms? 5. what is the best common interest in a closed global system of interests as now is the internet, where only win/win or lose/lose situations are possible. Then and only then, - one can discuss the questions posed by the NTIA: is the world sovereignty to be localized (i.e. to some specific State [USA], to Nation-States [as UN or ITU outside of US control, or GAC embedded in an US registered ICANN?]). - one can know how to follow the ICANN position which is (current Internet Coordination Policy # 3) which does not mention NTIA and calls for experimentation: "ICANN's mandate to preserve stability of the DNS [...] means that ICANN continues to adhere to community-based processes in its decisions regarding the content of the authoritative root. Within its current policy framework, ICANN can give no preference to those who choose to work outside of these processes and outside of the policies engendered by this public trust. None of this precludes experimentation done in a manner that does not threaten the stability of name resolution in the authoritative DNS. Responsible experimentation is essential to the vitality of the Internet. Nor does it preclude the ultimate introduction of new architectures that may ultimately obviate the need for a unique, authoritative root. But the translation of experiments into production and the introduction of new architectures require community-based approaches, and are not compatible with individual efforts to gain proprietary advantage." At this stage, the NTIA aporetic proposition is an "individual effort to gain proprietary advantage" to say the least. jfc On Apr 13, 2014 7:00 PM, "Michel Gauthier" wrote: At 23:48 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: part of the process initiated by ICANN has the scope to look at additional technical safeg uards to limit the actions of IANA and the TLD operators to those actions both agree to. Dear Vint, I just want to be sure I do not misunderstand you, because this is very important to everyone. You mean that you consider that the ICANN scope is the ***only*** set of actions that is to be undertaken, with no additional experimentation if not within the limits aproved by ICANN. Noother backup option to be experimented. The internet users are to 100% rely upon and to 100% trust ICANN. In other words that your entire internet project is now to ***limit*** itself to the ICANN scope and its internal safeguards? This in spite of the ICANN/ICP-3 own recommendations? What if NTIA disapproves ICANN? M G v On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Michel Gauthier wrote: Dear Vint, Thank you to reminding us that no one has ***ever*** changed a national or international communication system without being "sponsored" by a soverign authority (USG [FCC or NTIA] or monopolies): Mokapetris and Postel have not introduced any change in the file they received.. So, now you state: "it is possible to fashion sufficient accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's oversight". Don't you think it is a big responsibility? Without any experimentation for the mechanism you only guarantee the possibility. What do you think of those who want at least to experiment a back-up? M G At 21:09 13/04/2014, Vint Cerf wrote: Seun, there are two separations in the present situation: NTIA as contract holder and ICANN as contractor and the further segregation of IANA as a distinct entity within the ICANN framework. IANA is isolated from the production of policy although i has to follow and execute policies developed in the ICANN process and that are relevant to the IANA responsibilities. One question on the table is whether the IANA functions require the kind of NTIA oversight that has been in place since 1998. I would recall that Jon Postel was largely left to his own resources during his tenure (i.e. the USG did not intervene until he tested the change from one master root zone server to another that triggered a WH reaction). Jon was, of course, a key player within the Internet development community and guided by and trusted by his contemporaries. As many on these lists know, I believe it is possible to fashion sufficient accountability and transparency mechanisms as well as additional interlocks on root zone changes to eliminate the need for an institutional replacement for NTIA's oversight.Ä€ I appreciate your efforts to try to keep the discussion moving in constructive directions. vint On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello Milton, On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > As Chip Sharp points out, there is a contractual requirement for IANA staff to not > be involved in policy development (other than to respond to questions), but that > is different than requiring the IANA Functions operator to be separated from ICANN. OK, so you want to play semantic games. Look, everyone involved in this discussion has noted multiple times that ICANN currently has _functional_ separation, via C.2.5 and other requirements. Once that contractual requirement is gone, the issue is how is that separation maintained. Many Ä€ believe structural separation will be requuired. This was a point made in our original paper back on March 3. Thanks for advancing the debate. What is functional and structural separation within the context of this discussion?. I understand that by contract the IANA function itself requires a separation on its own. The fact that it has a separate department dedicated to it, make it a structural separation within ICANN. I don't think structuring should always have to do with setting up something outside of existing organisation. (as i have always pointed out since the IGP proposal was released) So you have pointed out the right issue; which is to discuss "how to maintain the current separation" (that is already structural and functional) Nevertheless as usual, i am open to be convinced on what aspect i may have missed. ;) Thanks Regards _______________________________________________ ianatransition mailing list ianatransition at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web:Ā Ā ÄâĀ http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email:seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng _______________________________________________ ianatransition mailing list ianatransition at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition _______________________________________________ ianatransition mailing list ianatransition at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition _______________________________________________ ianatransition mailing list ianatransition at icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If so, perhaps you could say more rather than just copying an article from the press. If not, then this is off topic. George On Apr 14, 2014, at 4:06 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > From the Financial Times (UK) > The power of the US cable barons must be challenged > > By Edward LuceAuthor alerts > > No one in Washington seems to have the will to stop industry moguls from tightening their grip on the internet > ©Matt Kenyon > Imagine if one company controlled 40 per cent of America’s roads and raised tolls far in excess of inflation. Suppose the roads were potholed. Imagine too that its former chief lobbyist headed the highway sector’s federal regulator. American drivers would not be happy. US internet users ought to be feeling equally worried. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind regards, Joana -- -- Joana Varon Ferraz @joana_varon PGP 0x016B8E73 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Apr 14 21:01:36 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:31:36 +0530 Subject: [governance] Petition: Affirm a commitment to the "Internet as a Common Good of Mankind to be Governed in the Global Public Interest". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The language has to be specific especially if using terms repurposed from economics. Global commons isn't always common good, just for instance. --srs (iPad) > On 14-Apr-2014, at 22:55, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > This petition has just been published on another list. The members of the IGC should have the opportunity to be aware of it. > Deirdre > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: michael gurstein > Date: 14 April 2014 12:18 > > After some discussion with colleagues of the JNC and elsewhere I've launched an initiative/petition intended to impact on the outcome of the NetMundial meeting. I think the best possible achievable outcome of the NetMundial meeting would be an affirmation/reaffirmation of the "Internet as a Global Commons Operating in the Global Public Interest" and the petition is intended to provide an opportunity for voices globally to insist that that at least be placed on the table in Sao Paolo. > > The petition is available for signing at http://tinyurl.com/nawk9ak > > The blogpost introducing and giving the longer rationale for the petition can be found at http://tinyurl.com/opqwhs4 > > It would be really great if you could spread this information through your networks and invite your networks to sign on to the petition or to send notes directly to the NetMundial secretariat secretariat at netmundial.br with a copy to me at gurstein at gmail.com > > M > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Apr 14 21:03:51 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:33:51 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study In-Reply-To: <044c01cf581d$151d4790$3f57d6b0$@gmail.com> References: <044c01cf581d$151d4790$3f57d6b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Funny, I support MSism and I have yet to see a penny of this "direct benefit from oligarchies" Can we please dispense with the conspiracy theories at least, even if you don't like multistakeholderism in the form that it is commonly practiced? --srs (iPad) > On 15-Apr-2014, at 1:36, "michael gurstein" wrote: > > I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision making processes. > > Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies. > > M > > From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 > > Common Dreams April 14, 2014 > US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” > > by Eric Zuesse > In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: > > "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." > > To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy. > > The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich: > > Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater. > > Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an enormous number of policy-issues studied. > > What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell. > > Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sid-l" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > !DSPAM:2676,534c26bd215691645816401! > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Mon Apr 14 21:08:13 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:08:13 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [Marcocivil] RES: NetMundial Draft Outcome document Online for comments at the platform In-Reply-To: <7C9F27BE10361942966E4835F365891A77DAFC7C@A19MAIL.aricle19.org> References: <7C9F27BE10361942966E4835F365891A77DAFC7C@A19MAIL.aricle19.org> Message-ID: <534C867D.9030203@cafonso.ca> Laura, I think you did not read the docs in detail: "Internet should continue to be a globally coherent, interconnected, stable, unfragmented, scalable and accessible network-of-networks, based on a common set of unique identifiers and that allows the free flow of data packets/information." and: "The Internet should be preserved as a fertile and innovative environment based on an open system architecture, with voluntary collaboration, collective stewardship and participation, recognizing technical management principles for efficient and improved network operation and preserving the end-to-end nature of the network, equal technical treatment of all protocols and data, delivered by the underlying communications and seeking to resolve technical issues at a level closest to their origin." --c.a. On 04/14/2014 09:59 PM, Laura Tresca wrote: > Wow, net neutrality is NOT pointed out as a principle! > > ARTICLE 19 > Oficina para Sudamerica/ South America Office > Rua João Adolfo, 118 - 8ºandar > Anhangabaú, São Paulo, Brasil > tel. +55 11 30570042/0071 > www.artigo19.org/ www.article19.org > ________________________________ > De: marcocivil-bounces at listas.ensol.org.br [marcocivil-bounces at listas.ensol.org.br] em nome de Joana Varon [joana at varonferraz.com] > Enviado: segunda-feira, 14 de abril de 2014 20:58 > Para: <, bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, ; 1Net List; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org; marcocivil at listas.ensol.org.br; webwewant at googlegroups.com > Assunto: [Marcocivil] NetMundial Draft Outcome document Online for comments at the platform > > FYI: http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ > > Please, engage with your comments or rating the paragraphs you support. > > Sorry for cross-posting. It would be good if we channel short and concise comments in that platform. > > Enjoy! > > Kind regards, > > Joana > -- > -- > > Joana Varon Ferraz > @joana_varon > PGP 0x016B8E73 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lista de email Marcocivil > Marcocivil at listas.ensol.org.br > http://listas.ensol.org.br/listinfo.cgi/marcocivil-ensol.org.br > Descadastrar: envie email a Marcocivil-unsubscribe at listas.ensol.org.br > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Apr 14 21:08:57 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:38:57 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [discuss] FT: The power of the US cable (Internet) barons must be challenged In-Reply-To: References: <043d01cf581d$0c027fe0$24077fa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E400BE4-C849-4CB2-8019-3A1C815BD994@hserus.net> (Applause) This hobby horse has been ridden long enough, can we please bring the discussion back to internet governance? Please? --srs (iPad) > On 15-Apr-2014, at 4:27, George Sadowsky wrote: > > Mike, > > Is your point that Internet governance concerns should be expanded to include layer 1 connectivity providers, and all that the subject implies? > > If so, perhaps you could say more rather than just copying an article from the press. If not, then this is off topic. > > George > > >> On Apr 14, 2014, at 4:06 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> >> From the Financial Times (UK) >> The power of the US cable barons must be challenged >> >> By Edward LuceAuthor alerts >> >> No one in Washington seems to have the will to stop industry moguls from tightening their grip on the internet >> ©Matt Kenyon >> Imagine if one company controlled 40 per cent of America’s roads and raised tolls far in excess of inflation. Suppose the roads were potholed. Imagine too that its former chief lobbyist headed the highway sector’s federal regulator. American drivers would not be happy. US internet users ought to be feeling equally worried. >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Mon Apr 14 22:36:51 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:36:51 +0900 Subject: [governance] NETmundial documents online for comment Message-ID: <749AA860-B2CF-4C8A-B783-073C6C4F9E9D@glocom.ac.jp> Please see Use the Navigate button. Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC. Adam WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and Technical Community. Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final version of the document is released here for public comments. The public consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC. For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address alongside your comment. By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous comments before making yours. This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by all stakeholders. 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I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. Hope we can pull this off well. All for now Nnenna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM To: Governance ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues Dear all, I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. Hope we can pull this off well. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joana at varonferraz.com Tue Apr 15 02:42:49 2014 From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:42:49 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> Message-ID: ;) happy to help. On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > Congratulations Nnenna - great choice! > > > > *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM > *To:* Governance ; > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society > major issues > > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- -- Joana Varon Ferraz @joana_varon PGP 0x016B8E73 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Remmy Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: 15/04/2014 07:36 To: Governance ; Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues Dear all, I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. Hope we can pull this off well. All for now Nnenna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. Anriette On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > + 1 > jeanette > > Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >> *To:* Governance ; >> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >> major issues >> Dear all, >> >> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me >> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >> >> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >> >> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into >> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues >> will be overlooked. >> >> >> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >> >> Hope we can pull this off well. >> >> All for now >> >> Nnenna >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:44:04 +0200 From: anriette at apc.org To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues Congrats Nnenna! Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. Anriette On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: + 1 jeanette Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM *To:* Governance ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues Dear all, I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. Hope we can pull this off well. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Tue Apr 15 03:57:09 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:57:09 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> Message-ID: +1 2014-04-15 9:44 GMT+02:00 Anriette Esterhuysen : > Congrats Nnenna! > > Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working > inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly > those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very > different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard > work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, > consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always > agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what > the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote > and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem > and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. > > You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - > mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to > deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder > internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross > that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be > discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with > solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. > > Anriette > > On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > + 1 > jeanette > > Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: > > Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! > *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM > *To:* Governance ; > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society > major issues > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack > one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at alkasir.com Tue Apr 15 04:10:45 2014 From: admin at alkasir.com (Walid AL-SAQAF) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:10:45 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats Nenna and I'm really delighted to know that we have you as a champion for civil society and the global south as well. I support Anriette's points and wish to add that it would be an opportune moment for you to raise the issue of bridging the digital divide as a priority and doing it a comprehensive way does require involving all stakeholders. Remind governments that, on issues related to the internet, all stakeholders should have a say and it is NOT business as usual. I hope your message will resonate, in particular, with Arab governments, which are -in my view- still living in the past and may want to hijack the process to put government in charge and shape the future of IG. Let's not allow that to happen. Good luck! Sincerely, Walid On Apr 15, 2014 8:36 AM, "Nnenna Nwakanma" wrote: > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jefsey at jefsey.com Tue Apr 15 05:13:50 2014 From: jefsey at jefsey.com (Jefsey) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:13:50 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [Marcocivil] RES: NetMundial Draft Outcome document Online for comments at the platform In-Reply-To: <534C867D.9030203@cafonso.ca> References: <7C9F27BE10361942966E4835F365891A77DAFC7C@A19MAIL.aricle19.org> <534C867D.9030203@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: At 03:08 15/04/2014, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > unfragmented, Dear Carlos, the internet is fragmented at missing layer six. This results in the RFC 6852 "global communities" of which the economy is now to direct the standardization evolution. This fragmentation is dependent on the mobile OS environment. It is not yet at the parameter plane but this what all this is about. The whole lobbying we are submitted to comes from this: the edge providers (Google, Apple, Microsoft ...) want to get rid of the single NTIA oversight. The internet is now growing as the addition of the global community networks (edge MS) of the network of networks opposing through a fragmented "de facto standardisation" the emergence of general personal (multitude's MS) virtual networking of the networks of networks. Please read RFC 6852. The qui-pro-quo is to societally engineer this new status-quo as being supposedly desired by the Civil Society (i.e. consumers). Brazil is a key spot for this tug of war as Europe is sleeping and US is already conquered. It has the Marco Civil and the engineering capacity to oppose fragmentation through open source. The brillant move is to diverted attention from the technical dividing to a political bog, so everyone's focus will be on the wrong spot until a de facto consensus of usage has settled the technical fragmentation, which in turn will induce the community fragmentation, and eventually the parameter fragmentation that will stabilize the market share new status-quo through the growth of goodwill "bridges". This is why the only way to oppose that now leading trend is to rebuild the internet from its WSIS indentified core: the person, its digital use, its digital resources optimization, from home to the global world, on an open Libre basis to get rid of the commercial money of the edge oligopoles. As a Brazilian Civil Society leader your role is not negligible in that uncertain situation. jfc -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 05:23:18 2014 From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:23:18 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [Marcocivil] RES: NetMundial Draft Outcome document Online for comments at the platform In-Reply-To: References: <7C9F27BE10361942966E4835F365891A77DAFC7C@A19MAIL.aricle19.org> <534C867D.9030203@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <73727EF5-87F6-4ED9-9489-AD6CE96C530F@gmail.com> +1 Le 15 avr. 2014 à 11:13, Jefsey a écrit : > At 03:08 15/04/2014, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> unfragmented, > > Dear Carlos, > > the internet is fragmented at missing layer six. This results in the RFC 6852 "global communities" of which the economy is now to direct the standardization evolution. This fragmentation is dependent on the mobile OS environment. It is not yet at the parameter plane but this what all this is about. > > The whole lobbying we are submitted to comes from this: the edge providers (Google, Apple, Microsoft ...) want to get rid of the single NTIA oversight. The internet is now growing as the addition of the global community networks (edge MS) of the network of networks opposing through a fragmented "de facto standardisation" the emergence of general personal (multitude's MS) virtual networking of the networks of networks. Please read RFC 6852. > > The qui-pro-quo is to societally engineer this new status-quo as being supposedly desired by the Civil Society (i.e. consumers). Brazil is a key spot for this tug of war as Europe is sleeping and US is already conquered. It has the Marco Civil and the engineering capacity to oppose fragmentation through open source. The brillant move is to diverted attention from the technical dividing to a political bog, so everyone's focus will be on the wrong spot until a de facto consensus of usage has settled the technical fragmentation, which in turn will induce the community fragmentation, and eventually the parameter fragmentation that will stabilize the market share new status-quo through the growth of goodwill "bridges". > > This is why the only way to oppose that now leading trend is to rebuild the internet from its WSIS indentified core: the person, its digital use, its digital resources optimization, from home to the global world, on an open Libre basis to get rid of the commercial money of the edge oligopoles. > > As a Brazilian Civil Society leader your role is not negligible in that uncertain situation. > > jfc > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 06:48:43 2014 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:48:43 +1200 Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Nnenna, Many thanks for the heads up. Safe travels. Best Wishes, Sala On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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M From: Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM To: michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus List; bestbits Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which they are baseline excluded. Sent from my iPhone using Mail+ for Outlook From: michael gurstein Sent: 4/14/14, 4:07 PM To: 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits Subject: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision making processes. Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies. M From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 Common Dreams April 14, 2014 US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” by Eric Zuesse In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy. The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich: Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater. Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an enormous number of policy-issues studied. What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell. Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sid-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. !DSPAM:2676,534c26bd215691645816401! Click here to report this email as spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope you can include trust as a desirable state to achieve. You'll look great and sound great De On 15 April 2014 02:35, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are so many people living in the underdeveloped parts inside developed countries. They are mostly in the remote areas, in the mountains, country side, far from major cities etc. Or even inside large cities but in the slums, poor areas. They are as marginalized and ignored. People in the small and often remote island countries, landlocked countries are in similar situation, if not the same. These were mentioned by Tunis Agenda, I believe. Often, if the got connectivity, thanks to Internet and mobile phones, these new links might bring as much benefits as problems. But their voices and views are often ignored, not much invited. Most domain names are owned and operated by the people in the cities. Of course, these economic factors and conditions are not directly generated by the Internet, and Internet Governance issues may not seem to be directly linked. But nonetheless, I like to ask you to consider these issues. Thank you, izumi 2014年4月15日火曜日、Nnenna Nwakanmaさんは書きました: > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I'm not going to add to the load, as I'm sure at the end all good ideas will be raised --not to mention you know as well as I do the corner of the world you and I live in. Good luck! mawaki On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Tracy Hackshaw @ Google < tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations Nnenna! > > It would be very much appreciated if you could make a mention of the > challenges being faced by Small Island Developing States in their ongoing > struggle to balance Information Society objectives with basic > infrastructural requirements in the face of environmental threats. > > Best wishes, > > Tracy > > Sent from BlackBerry Q10 > *From: *Nnenna Nwakanma > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:36 AM > *To: *Governance; > *Reply To: *Nnenna Nwakanma > *Subject: *[bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society > major issues > > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. Hope we can pull this off well. All for now Nnenna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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El 15/04/2014, a las 1:42, Joana Varon escribió: > ;) > happy to help. > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! > > > > From: Nnenna Nwakanma > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM > To: Governance ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues > > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > -- > > Joana Varon Ferraz > @joana_varon > PGP 0x016B8E73 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen escribió: > Congrats Nnenna! > > Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. > > You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. > > Anriette > > On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> + 1 >> jeanette >> >> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>> *To:* Governance ; >>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>> major issues >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me >>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>> >>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>> >>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into >>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues >>> will be overlooked. >>> >>> >>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>> >>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>> >>> All for now >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Democracy is giving the people voice (including dare I say through independent media) and the means to turn those voices into actions. Government is a means, perhaps the best means to do this but in no sense is it the only means and certainly doesn't involve a commitment to incumbent governments (or inter-governments) or their actions. Second, the issue with MSism is not its relation (or not) to democratic "principles" however high minded or rhetorically compelling. The question is its relation to democratic practices i.e. substituting decision making by the few and self-selected for decision making by the many operating through accountable and transparent processes. M From: Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:19 AM To: michael gurstein; 'Internet Governance Caucus List'; 'bestbits' Subject: Re: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study My own personal view, which I have to stress does not purport to represent my employer, is more nuanced. I think all governments, from the most democratic to the most authoritarian, share certain self-perceptions and assumptions that tend to run against the radically democratic potentialities of online media. (In my own work, I run into this constantly - the perception that the internet is so inherently disruptive that it must be controlled in one way or another. It's how, until very recently, democratic governments even thought of the traditional press.) This isn't malice or selfishness - instead, this is an "occupational hazard" if your occupation is being a government, and nobody is immune, really. Multi-stakeholderism at its best, in my view, formalizes the necessity of taking input from non-governmental "outsiders." I think that's the right outcome, democratically speaking. (I also happen to think that the USG's favoring multi-stakeholderism--at least as it does right now--is a happy circumstance, because institutional governmental self-interest over the long term tends to favor governmental--or inter-governmental--bodies most of the time.) So my "solution space" for internet governance tends to center on multi-stakeholderism, clearly, but of course multi-stakeholderism has to be structured correctly, and multi-stakeholderism is to be valued not in itself but to the extent that it serves democratic values. (A multistakeholder system favoring corporate dominance is no better than one favoring institutional government dominance, and of course, as I think you agree, might be worse.) By contrast, I don't view the ITU (for example) as being a leading candidate for serving those values. We have a number of models to pick from. And as Laura DeNardis suggests in her recent writings, we may actually need to pick different models for different particular governance spaces and roles. -Mike -- Mike Godwin | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project mgodwin at internews.org | Mobile 415-793-4446 Skype mnemonic1026 Address 1601 R Street NW, 2nd Floor Washington, DC 20009 USA INTERNEWS | Local Voices. Global Change. www.internews.org | @internews | facebook.com/internews From: michael gurstein Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 at 6:50 AM To: Mike Godwin , 'Internet Governance Caucus List' , 'bestbits' Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study Mike, Do I take you as saying below that you would trade (even the opportunity) of influence via democratic participation for the many; in return for the (in my opinion) illusion of not being "excluded" for the few via multistakeholderism? M From: Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM To: michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus List; bestbits Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which they are baseline excluded. Sent from my iPhone using Mail+ for Outlook From: michael gurstein Sent: 4/14/14, 4:07 PM To: 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits Subject: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision making processes. Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies. M From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sid Shniad Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 Common Dreams April 14, 2014 US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study "The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." by Eric Zuesse In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study's opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an oligarchy. The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of American Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich: Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans - though useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases - is probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater. Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That's an enormous number of policy-issues studied. What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, "the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." That's it, in a nutshell. Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010,and of CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sid-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. !DSPAM:2676,534c26bd215691645816401! Click here to report this email as spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what > the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote > and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem > and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. > > You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - > mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to > deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder > internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross > that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be > discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with > solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. > > Anriette > > On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > + 1 > jeanette > > Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: > > Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! > *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM > *To:* Governance ; > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society > major issues > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack > one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Babatope Soremi A destructive means can not bring about a constructive end.... 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Deirdre On 14 April 2014 22:36, Adam Peake wrote: > Please see Use the Navigate button. > > Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > Adam > > > > WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE > > After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global > Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received > 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by > representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and > Technical Community. > > Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive > Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and > submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder > Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from > the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final > version of the document is released here for public comments. The public > consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee > Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at > http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public > comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create > an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to > immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to > say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address > alongside your comment. > > By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all > the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of > the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to > register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in > someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous > comments before making yours. > > This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public > content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the > Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of > trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance > debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final > stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by > all stakeholders. > > END > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fatimacambronero at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 08:47:50 2014 From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:47:50 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <3E5FA9C5-7BC8-442F-8A5C-53B62A00E838@apc.org> Message-ID: Congrats Nnenna and thanks for representing us! I also support Anriette's points, especially those about trust, and I would add: -a REAL participation of civil society and Internet users in IG ecosystem > related to capacity building to allow that participation -infrastructure (development/access to) < it is still an issue in many of our developing countries -human rights: freedom of expression, privacy, freedom of association (respect to) -Openness, accountability, transparency, inclusiveness -Bottom-up and multistakeholder processes Thanks. Best Regards, Fatima 2014-04-15 9:19 GMT-03:00 Babatope Soremi : > Congrats Nnenna. > > +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to > ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding > invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt wrote: > >> + 1 on Anriette's points. >> >> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen >> escribió: >> >> Congrats Nnenna! >> >> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working >> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly >> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very >> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard >> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, >> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always >> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what >> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote >> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem >> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >> >> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - >> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to >> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder >> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross >> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be >> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with >> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. >> >> Anriette >> >> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> >> + 1 >> jeanette >> >> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >> >> Congratulations Nnenna - great choice! >> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >> *To:* Governance ; >> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >> major issues >> Dear all, >> >> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me >> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >> >> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >> >> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into >> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues >> will be overlooked. >> >> >> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >> >> Hope we can pull this off well. >> >> All for now >> >> Nnenna >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >> executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org >> po box 29755, melville 2109 >> south africa >> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Babatope Soremi > > A destructive means can not bring about a constructive end.... > > TB > > > Quality is never an accident. It is always the result of intelligent > effort. > > *John Ruskin * > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Fatima Cambronero* Abogada-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com Tue Apr 15 08:55:56 2014 From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 15:55:56 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <3E5FA9C5-7BC8-442F-8A5C-53B62A00E838@apc.org> Message-ID: Nnenna, do not mince words. To echo Anriette's wisdom:- Privacy and surveillance are very key issues. Indeed, NSA's surveillance of President Rousseff's communication was the precursor to the meeting. Mass Surveillance is a serious case of violation of human rights and civil liberties, it is disrespectful and destroy's trust on the Internet. Also point out that All stakeholders have an equal voice and should be allowed to participate "as peers on equal footing" ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh On 15 April 2014 15:19, Babatope Soremi wrote: > Congrats Nnenna. > > +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to > ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding > invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt wrote: > >> + 1 on Anriette's points. >> >> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen >> escribió: >> >> Congrats Nnenna! >> >> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working >> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly >> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very >> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard >> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, >> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always >> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what >> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote >> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem >> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >> >> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - >> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to >> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder >> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross >> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be >> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with >> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. >> >> Anriette >> >> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> >> + 1 >> jeanette >> >> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >> >> Congratulations Nnenna - great choice! >> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >> *To:* Governance ; >> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >> major issues >> Dear all, >> >> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me >> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >> >> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >> >> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into >> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues >> will be overlooked. >> >> >> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >> >> Hope we can pull this off well. >> >> All for now >> >> Nnenna >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >> executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org >> po box 29755, melville 2109 >> south africa >> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Babatope Soremi > > A destructive means can not bring about a constructive end.... > > TB > > > Quality is never an accident. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 09:02:05 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 06:02:05 -0700 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> Congrats Nnenna, Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest the following: 1. A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the Common Good/in the Public Interest… I only see minor and off-handed references to this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a full-on commitment/re-commitment to this. This is especially the case given the risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a “stakeholder” approach to Internet governance presents. 2. Framing/reframing “multistakeholderism” as a useful element in policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place to ensure the probity and accountability of these processes, within the context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase “multistakeholder dialogue in a democratic framework”. 3. Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic) justice. The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity and wealth distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the NetMundial document is extended to include the “Right to Development” needs also to address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the dominant issues of our time. 4. Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple “capacity building” which ultimately can only enable the few, into designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and have those voices heard. Good luck with it. Mike From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM To: Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues Dear all, I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. Hope we can pull this off well. 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Fatimata 2014-04-15 12:55 GMT+00:00 Mwendwa Kivuva : > Nnenna, do not mince words. To echo Anriette's wisdom:- > > Privacy and surveillance are very key issues. Indeed, NSA's surveillance of > President Rousseff's communication was the precursor to the meeting. Mass > Surveillance is a serious case of violation of human rights and civil > liberties, it is disrespectful and destroy's trust on the Internet. > > Also point out that All stakeholders have an equal voice and should be > allowed to participate "as peers on equal footing" > > ______________________ > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > twitter.com/lordmwesh > > > > On 15 April 2014 15:19, Babatope Soremi wrote: >> >> Congrats Nnenna. >> >> +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to >> ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding >> invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt >> wrote: >>> >>> + 1 on Anriette’s points. >>> >>> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen >>> escribió: >>> >>> Congrats Nnenna! >>> >>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working >>> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly those >>> that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very different from >>> putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard work, change in >>> behaviour, change in structures and procedures, consultation, respect, >>> trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always agree. It also requires a >>> common framework of principles that defines what the public interest is in >>> internet governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this framework >>> that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>> >>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - >>> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to deny >>> accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder >>> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross >>> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be >>> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with >>> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>> >>> + 1 >>> jeanette >>> >>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>> >>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>> *To:* Governance ; >>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>> major issues >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me >>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>> >>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>> >>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into >>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues >>> will be overlooked. >>> >>> >>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>> >>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>> >>> All for now >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>> www.apc.org >>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>> south africa >>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Babatope Soremi >> >> A destructive means can not bring about a constructive end.... >> >> TB >> >> >> Quality is never an accident. It is always the result of intelligent >> effort. >> >> John Ruskin >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Apr 15 09:11:11 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:11:11 -0300 Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <534D2FEF.80701@cafonso.ca> This is great news! I want to hear your powerful voice and ideas make the walls of Hyatt (and all stakeholders present) tremble! It would be too arrogant on my part to dare to try putting words in your mouth. You know what to say. Congratulations, Nnenna! See you soon. --c.a. On 04/15/2014 03:35 AM, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack > one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 09:11:21 2014 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:11:21 +1200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <3E5FA9C5-7BC8-442F-8A5C-53B62A00E838@apc.org> Message-ID: Remind them that as the discussions ensue that we be mindful that decisions, influences made will affect diverse communities who may be under-represented at the Net Mundial. Noting that the timespan of the call for submissions were made in haste and would have ensured a fragment of views from the world. Principles such as stewardship, accountability, transparency are key. The conflict in definitions of "governance" whether this is "narrow" or "wide" continues to impact debate, dialogue and discussions. Whilst there is both light handed and heavy handed regulations of various aspects of the Internet, it is critical that the community agree on principles of Internet Governance that can help get the discussions rolling from a neutral platform. We are witnessing a war that to some degree is influenced by geopolitics, market power, struggle to be heard that at times global public interest can be easily marginalised. We have to find room to hear not only the "loud" voices but also the "lone" voices in the desert. Inclusion, meaningful participation, humility to listen to diverse voices is essential for authentic dialogue and engagement where we talk to each other and not at each other. Sometimes as stakeholders, we can be so focussed with hearing our own voices that we miss hearing what others have to say. It will require a level of give and take from each other so that all stakeholder groups - civil society, private sector and public sector can engage. The degree in which they are able to collaborate and engage will determine tomorrow's landscape. On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva < Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote: > Nnenna, do not mince words. To echo Anriette's wisdom:- > > Privacy and surveillance are very key issues. Indeed, NSA's surveillance > of President Rousseff's communication was the precursor to the meeting. > Mass Surveillance is a serious case of violation of human rights and civil > liberties, it is disrespectful and destroy's trust on the Internet. > > Also point out that All stakeholders have an equal voice and should be > allowed to participate "as peers on equal footing" > > ______________________ > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > twitter.com/lordmwesh > > > > On 15 April 2014 15:19, Babatope Soremi wrote: > >> Congrats Nnenna. >> >> +1 to Anriette's points with perhaps particular focus on the need to >> ensure trust is not lost by users owing to recent developments regarding >> invasive surveillance techniques deployed by governments specifically >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Valeria Betancourt wrote: >> >>> + 1 on Anriette's points. >>> >>> El 15/04/2014, a las 2:44, Anriette Esterhuysen >>> escribió: >>> >>> Congrats Nnenna! >>> >>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that working >>> inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, particularly >>> those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society - is very >>> different from putting on a colourful West African outfit :) It takes hard >>> work, change in behaviour, change in structures and procedures, >>> consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, because do not always >>> agree. It also requires a common framework of principles that defines what >>> the public interest is in internet governance that can be used to promote >>> and protect this public interest across the internet governance ecosystem >>> and it is this framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>> >>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only - >>> mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, and to >>> deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for multi-stakeholder >>> internet governance? I think it would be good to get the message accross >>> that the IANA transition is not the only issue that NetMundial should be >>> discussing, but at the same time, it is a key opportunity to come up with >>> solutions and approaches that are not simply cosmetic. >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>> >>> + 1 >>> jeanette >>> >>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>> >>> Congratulations Nnenna - great choice! >>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>> *To:* Governance ; >>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>> major issues >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me >>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>> >>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>> >>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into >>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues >>> will be overlooked. >>> >>> >>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>> >>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>> >>> All for now >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >>> executive director, association for progressive communicationswww.apc.org >>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>> south africa >>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Babatope Soremi >> >> A destructive means can not bring about a constructive end.... >> >> TB >> >> >> Quality is never an accident. It is always the result of intelligent >> effort. >> >> *John Ruskin * >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 09:37:46 2014 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 13:37:46 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study In-Reply-To: References: <1DEB7534D981B444BF234789326B22A8AF08BDFC51@MBX.INTERNEWS.LOCAL> <079f01cf5898$762b5ba0$628212e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) < mgodwin at internews.org> wrote: > My own personal view, which I have to stress does not purport to represent > my employer, is more nuanced. I think all governments, from the most > democratic to the most authoritarian, share certain self-perceptions and > assumptions that tend to run against the radically democratic > potentialities of online media. (In my own work, I run into this constantly > -- the perception that the internet is so inherently disruptive that it must > be controlled in one way or another. It's how, until very recently, > democratic governments even thought of the traditional press.) This isn't > malice or selfishness -- instead, this is an "occupational hazard" if your > occupation is being a government, and nobody is immune, really. > Multi-stakeholderism at its best, in my view, formalizes the necessity of > taking input from non-governmental "outsiders." I think that's the right > outcome, democratically speaking. (I also happen to think that the USG's > favoring multi-stakeholderism--at least as it does right now--is a happy > circumstance, because institutional governmental self-interest over the > long term tends to favor governmental--or inter-governmental--bodies most > of the time.) > > So my "solution space" for internet governance tends to center on > multi-stakeholderism, clearly, but of course multi-stakeholderism has to be > structured correctly, and multi-stakeholderism is to be valued not in > itself but to the extent that it serves democratic values. > Exactly the direction that my own thinking... But I am still to write my self-promised piece on MSism :) > (A multistakeholder system favoring corporate dominance is no better than > one favoring institutional government dominance, and of course, as I think > you agree, might be worse.) By contrast, I don't view the ITU (for example) > as being a leading candidate for serving those values. > > We have a number of models to pick from. And as Laura DeNardis suggests in > her recent writings, we may actually need to pick different models for > different particular governance spaces and roles. > The only way that makes sense. I think one of the biggest problem we have been facing in our discussion of MSism is that many people are confusing different level of analysis (thus confusing or mis-characterizing aspects of the phenomena to be analyzed.) MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after tyranny, aristocracy, etc.) Those two things are not contiguous (thus mutually exclusive) phenomena on the same plane (say, the timeline of history.) We still are in the era of democracy the benefits of which many peoples on earth are still waiting for. Democracy is not only about voting (it's not even exhaustively defined by that) and exclusively for nation-state governments. It is about getting the consent of the governed (through the inclusion of their concerns) to the matters of governing -- whatever is being governed. It's not because historically, democracy has reached its highest peak (in terms of the maximum people being involved) in the context of national governments where people freely vote that that has to be the only way democracy can be operationalized, much less the only possible meaning for its concept. When the Greeks coined the word to mean the rule of the people, did people vote? Free citizenship was only extended to a subset of people (probably still a numerical minority) excluding slaves and women, although presumably a larger elite than the one that exclusively ruled before democracy was established. It's not even clear to me whether those free citizens went to the poll to vote as we do today. And until the second half of last century, there were many suffrage movements to extend citizenship to women and (political) minorities for the right to vote, including in very developed countries. So democracy as a concept cannot be frozen into the practice of voting as we know it today (one person, one vote) in the sole context of nation-sates. It an idea that is still with us and still fully has its relevance while we are experimenting with emergent collective decision-making ideas and practices such as MSism. In that sense, as a decision-making process MSism can prove to be more, or less, democratic, in the sense of getting the consent of the governed (through the inclusion of their concerns) to the matters of governing. If it survives its infancy and grows robust, the specific value MSism may be said to bring is the ability to make collective decisions, particularly policy decisions, at supra- and transnational level where governments are not the only participants or direct actors (I locate the primary value at that level because so far it seems in supra-national spaces, policy decisions have been made directly by government reps voting while in sub-national spaces a full and well-implemented operationalization of democratic principles may lead to outcomes that are as good and legitimate as MSism applied in those spaces.) As a collective decision-making mechanisms chosen from various models to fit a particular governance space, each instance of MSism will be shaped and will perform based on the actors/stakeholders involved and the resources and tools available in that space. As a result, with multi-stakeholderism the devil will ALWAYS be in the detail (not to say MSism is the only thing for which this applies, so please don't start another useless discussion on this particular point, thanks.) P.S. Sorry, maybe I should have posted this in the MSism thread... I didn't mean to be that elaborate when I begun to reply. But, hey, that's what it is. Mawaki > > --Mike > > -- > > *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project > > mgodwin at internews.org | *Mobile* 415-793-4446 > > *Skype* mnemonic1026 > > *Address* 1601 R Street NW, 2nd Floor Washington, DC 20009 USA > > > > *INTERNEWS* | *Local Voices. Global Change.* > > www.internews.org | @internews | > facebook.com/internews > > From: michael gurstein > Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 at 6:50 AM > To: Mike Godwin , 'Internet Governance Caucus > List' , 'bestbits' < > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> > > Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says > Scientific Study > > Mike, > > > > Do I take you as saying below that you would trade (even the opportunity) > of influence via democratic participation for the many; in return for the > (in my opinion) illusion of not being "excluded" for the few via > multistakeholderism? > > > > M > > > > *From:* Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] > > *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM > *To:* michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus List; > bestbits > *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says > Scientific Study > > > > > Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may > legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which they are > baseline excluded. > > > > > Sent from my iPhone using Mail+ for Outlook > > *From:* michael gurstein > *Sent:* 4/14/14, 4:07 PM > *To:* 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits > *Subject:* [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says > Scientific Study > > I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have > multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since > MSism would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert > (and mask) their power in global decision making processes. > > > > Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet > Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases > the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies. > > > > M > > > > *From:* sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Sid Shniad > *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM > *To:* undisclosed-recipients: > *Subject:* US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > > > > > *http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 > Common Dreams April 14, > 2014 * > US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > > > *"The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, > near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." by > Eric Zuesse* > > In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. > (Photo: Shutterstock)A study, > to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal *Perspectives on > Politics*, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, but instead an oligarchy, > meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the answer to the study's opening > question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in this country, is: > > "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for > theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of > the American public actually have little influence over the policies our > government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic > governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, > and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go > on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic > society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever > comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is > instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian > Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic > elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the > preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, > near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." > > To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an > oligarchy. > > The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and > Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of > American Politics." The > authors clarify that the data available are probably under-representing the > actual extent of control of the U.S. by the super-rich: > > Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even > though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. > Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans - though > useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases - is > probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our > measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged > interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using > this imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy > may be still greater. > > Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of > whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible > to test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking > operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of > the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper > reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes > measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That's an enormous > number of policy-issues studied. > > What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, > is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a > democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The > clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at > all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the > oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). > The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other > dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we > clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, "the > preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, > near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." That's > it, in a nutshell. > > Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of *They're > Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010* > *,*and of *CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.* > > > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Sid-l" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > !DSPAM:2676,534c26bd215691645816401! > > > > Click here to > report this email as spam. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The European Parliament has released its Press Release on making the rollout of broadband cheaper. Today the European Parliament voted on EU rules which would cut by 30% the cost of rolling out high-speed Internet. European Commission Vice-President @NeelieKroesEUsaid: "Broadband for all is not a promise! It is a commitment, of the EU, of the European Commission, of the Heads of States. Today's measures are another step towards delivering better internet for the Europeans. See: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-304_en.htm Kind Regards, Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue Apr 15 10:09:50 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:39:50 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study In-Reply-To: References: <1DEB7534D981B444BF234789326B22A8AF08BDFC51@MBX.INTERNEWS.LOCAL> <079f01cf5898$762b5ba0$628212e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <534D3DAE.20100@itforchange.net> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:07 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > > SNIP > . So democracy as a concept cannot be frozen into the practice of > voting as we know it today (one person, one vote) in the sole context > of nation-sates. It may not be frozen into the practice of voting-- there is a huge amount of literature and practice of participatory democracy that says exactly that.. But, can we freeze in not having a vote for corporates - in fact multiple and exclusive votes, where ordinary people do not have votes... That is MS decision making... Why do we need to go beyond participatory democracy as the means of fulfilling the ideal of democracy and rather jump to MSism which is simply not democratic in a thousand way..... parminder > It an idea that is still with us and still fully has its relevance > while we are experimenting with emergent collective decision-making > ideas and practices such as MSism. > > In that sense, as a decision-making process MSism can prove to be > more, or less, democratic, in the sense of getting the consent of the > governed (through the inclusion of their concerns) to the matters of > governing. If it survives its infancy and grows robust, the specific > value MSism may be said to bring is the ability to make collective > decisions, particularly policy decisions, at supra- and transnational > level where governments are not the only participants or direct actors > (I locate the primary value at that level because so far it seems in > supra-national spaces, policy decisions have been made directly by > government reps voting while in sub-national spaces a full and > well-implemented operationalization of democratic principles may lead > to outcomes that are as good and legitimate as MSism applied in those > spaces.) > > As a collective decision-making mechanisms chosen from various models > to fit a particular governance space, each instance of MSism will be > shaped and will perform based on the actors/stakeholders involved and > the resources and tools available in that space. As a result, with > multi-stakeholderism the devil will ALWAYS be in the detail (not to > say MSism is the only thing for which this applies, so please don't > start another useless discussion on this particular point, thanks.) > > P.S. Sorry, maybe I should have posted this in the MSism thread... I > didn't mean to be that elaborate when I begun to reply. But, hey, > that's what it is. > > Mawaki > > > > —Mike > > -- > > *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project > > mgodwin at internews.org | *Mobile* > 415-793-4446 > > *Skype* mnemonic1026 > > *Address* 1601 R Street NW, 2nd Floor Washington, DC 20009 USA > > *INTERNEWS*|***Local Voices. Global Change.* > > www.internews.org | @internews > | facebook.com/internews > > > > From: michael gurstein > > Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 at 6:50 AM > To: Mike Godwin >, 'Internet Governance Caucus List' > >, 'bestbits' > > > > Subject: RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, > says Scientific Study > > Mike, > > Do I take you as saying below that you would trade (even the > opportunity) of influence via democratic participation for the > many; in return for the (in my opinion) illusion of not being > “excluded” for the few via multistakeholderism? > > M > > *From:*Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG > ) [mailto:mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG] > *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 2:48 PM > *To:* michael gurstein; 1Net List; Internet Governance Caucus > List; bestbits > *Subject:* RE: [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, > says Scientific Study > > > Convergence is not causality. Lots of interested stakeholders may > legitimately prefer multistakeholder models from ones on which > they are baseline excluded. > > > Sent from my iPhone using Mail+ for Outlook > > *From:*michael gurstein > *Sent:* 4/14/14, 4:07 PM > *To:* 1Net List, Internet Governance Caucus List, bestbits > *Subject:* [bestbits] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says > Scientific Study > > I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG > to have multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) > governance since MSism would be the political form through which > oligarchies would exert (and mask) their power in global decision > making processes. > > Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in > Internet Governance processes would also support MSism since they > are in many cases the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies. > > M > > *From:*sid-l at googlegroups.com > [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sid Shniad > *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM > *To:* undisclosed-recipients: > *Subject:* US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > *http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 > > Common Dreams April 14, 2014 * > > > US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > *“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a > minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon > public policy.” > > by Eric Zuesse* > > In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing > weight. (Photo: Shutterstock)A study > , > to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the academic journal > /Perspectives on Politics/, finds that the U.S. is no democracy, > but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the > answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really > rules?" in this country, is: > > "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous > studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses > suggest that majorities of the American public actually have > little influence over the policies our government adopts. > Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, > such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and > a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then > they go on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to > being a democratic society are seriously threatened" by the > findings in this, the first-ever comprehensive scientific study of > the subject, which shows that there is instead "the nearly total > failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian Electoral > Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic > elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled > for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a > minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon > public policy." > > To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually > an oligarchy. > > The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens > and Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing > Theories of American Politics." > The > authors clarify that the data available are probably > under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the > super-rich: > > Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our > analysis, even though our findings probably understate the > political influence of elites. Our measure of the preferences > of wealthy or elite Americans – though useful, and the best we > could generate for a large set of policy cases – is probably > less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our > measures of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments > of engaged interest groups. Yet we found substantial estimated > effects even when using this imperfect measure. The real-world > impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater. > > Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the > question of whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it > has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical > predictions [that U.S. policymaking operates as a democracy, > versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of the two] against > each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports > on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes > measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an > enormous number of policy-issues studied. > > What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the > data, is important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether > the U.S. is a democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some > combination of the two. The clear finding is that the U.S. is an > oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a > sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the > country (and who control the nation's "news" media). The U.S., in > other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious > "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we > clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the > data, “the preferences of the average American appear to have only > a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon > public policy.” That's it, in a nutshell. > > Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, > of /They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic > Records, 1910-2010/ > /,/and > of /CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity./ > > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Sid-l" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > !DSPAM:2676,534c26bd215691645816401! > > Click here > to > report this email as spam. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net Tue Apr 15 10:21:14 2014 From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:21:14 +0200 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> References: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Congrats Nnenna! May I add to Mike excellent comments, one point? Nnenna, I am not sure if you will be there intuitu personae, persona grata or representing some, part, or all of Civil society entities (?!), but just in case you represent some of our thoughts and opinions, I think it would be nice to mention that among civil society there are people who disagree with the equal stakeholder - equal rights - equal footing thinking and narrative. Stakeholder voices might all be equal, meaning equally audible, but that amusing "equal footing" expression doesn't mean that these respectable voices are legitimate or representative of anything, anyone, and properly checked and balanced. So equal voices with different rights, that might be interesting to explore. But equal footing meaning equal rights among stakeholders, that jungle is right the opposite of Democracy, where corporations are still not invited to make the law, and participate and seat in parliaments on an equal footing. The market seating in the Congress, I wish never to see that in my life. It sounds like some kind of very un-democratic thing. I do remember that some comments on these lists where made about civil servants (and their so called legendary inability to work without other people holding the pencil for them, which I tend to think as very untrue), and I know that governmental bashing is just the legitimate cousin of democratic bashing, but please voice equally and multistakeholderly that there are a diversity of views. We know that NetMundial will not be able to provide dialogue, but more some sort of convergence (+1...) out of magic wonder, still it would to see some principles are respected when it comes to express the diversity of views. Sorry for the ironic tone in that last sentence. JC Le 15 avr. 2014 à 15:02, michael gurstein a écrit :ung > Congrats Nnenna, > > Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest the following: > 1. A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the Common Good/in the Public Interest… I only see minor and off-handed references to this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a full-on commitment/re-commitment to this. This is especially the case given the risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a “stakeholder” approach to Internet governance presents. > 2. Framing/reframing “multistakeholderism” as a useful element in policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place to ensure the probity and accountability of these processes, within the context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase “multistakeholder dialogue in a democratic framework”. > 3. Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic) justice. The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity and wealth distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the NetMundial document is extended to include the “Right to Development” needs also to address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the dominant issues of our time. > 4. Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple “capacity building” which ultimately can only enable the few, into designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and have those voices heard. > Good luck with it. > > Mike > > From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM > To: Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso > Subject: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues > > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue Apr 15 10:29:20 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:59:20 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] multistakeholderism is democracy was Re: [] FW: US Is an O... In-Reply-To: <534D3E2C.6020609@acm.org> References: <1DEB7534D981B444BF234789326B22A8AF08BDFC51@MBX.INTERNEWS.LOCAL> <079f01cf5898$762b5ba0$628212e0$@gmail.com> <534D3E2C.6020609@acm.org> Message-ID: <534D4240.3040209@itforchange.net> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote: >> MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could >> have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing >> after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after >> tyranny, aristocracy, etc.) You had in your email sought focussing on actual practices... Therefore you need to look at practices of MSism... It is indeed the next thing after democracy, and NOT democracy... MSism gives big business a veto on public policy making. This kind of thing is impossible to even mention in a democratic discourse.. But the same unmentionable has been dressed by employment of huge expenditure of resources in the respectable clothes if MSism. Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing' model (1) gives veto power to big business and (2) such a thing is unattainable in democratic discourse and practice.. Now you may say that I am speaking about entirely imaginary models of MSism, and creatign strawmen of MSism... Well, no.. On the BestBit list an elaborate model has been developed and presented, latest in response to the leaked NetMundial draft (did you also support this model?) which creates a multistakeholder screening mechanism for taking up any public policy issue.. Does this not give big business a veto on what matters can be taken for public policy treatment? Is this democratic? Second, the NetMundial draft document seeks public policy making through consensus basis alone - which is an multistakeholder consensus on equal footing... It says that processes of governance have to be first be agreed by all stakeholders (keep reading business when I say stakeholders bec it is they for whom these models are fashioned).... Now, is it democratic to give business (big business, no one asked my corner shop guy) such structural vetos over public policy making? What could be more democratic... Since you said devil is in the details, lets talk about the detail and the devil... Lets talk specifics, and these above are the specifics of MSism... parminder > I am one who does argues that Multistakeholderism is not just another > decision making process. > > I also do not claim in is the next big thing after democracy. I argue > that it is a form of democracy. Multistakeholderism includes modalities > of democratic organization as well as a variety of mechanisms. It is > a form of participatory democracy that builds upon the varieties of > representational democracy that one finds in some countries and the > various forms of self-organization that people in society uses to > organize itself on issues of importance and brings them in the greater > democratic mix. > > I do agree that there is not just one form of the multistakeholder > model, but argue that there are attributes of Multistakeholderism as > participatory democracy that are necessary. > > I too have yet to finish my self-promised work on multistakeholderism. > Though I have written on this a bit. > > avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue Apr 15 10:44:26 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:14:26 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] free flow of information @ Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534D382C.5030502@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <534D45CA.1070200@itforchange.net> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:49 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > SNIP > > I hope it represents progress. How we moved on since Tunis -- just look at the statements about Human Rights. What chance of those being considered a few years ago. And much more. Dont know what you are talking about. You sure have read WSIS docs, right? > > Everything could be better, but I am quite satisfied we are making progress. There is no progress... It is going backwards, and steeply... BTW, do you think democracy is a human right, or it isnt... What is your comment on this human right not only being absent in the initial text but also not being included when a few HLC members asked for it. Will really like to know parminder > > Please comment on the documents. > > Adam > > > > >> jeanette >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 10:55:03 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:55:03 -0500 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] multistakeholderism is democracy was Re: [] FW: US Is an O... In-Reply-To: <534D4240.3040209@itforchange.net> References: <1DEB7534D981B444BF234789326B22A8AF08BDFC51@MBX.INTERNEWS.LOCAL> <079f01cf5898$762b5ba0$628212e0$@gmail.com> <534D3E2C.6020609@acm.org> <534D4240.3040209@itforchange.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:29 AM, parminder wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> >> On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote: >>> >>> MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could >>> have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing > > Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing' model > (1) gives veto power to big business I disagree with this, yes. In my experience in multiple MS processes, no one has a "veto". -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue Apr 15 12:22:20 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 01:22:20 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] free flow of information @ Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <534D45CA.1070200@itforchange.net> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534D382C.5030502@wzb.eu> <534D45CA.1070200@itforchange.net> Message-ID: On Apr 15, 2014, at 11:44 PM, parminder wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:49 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >> SNIP >> >> I hope it represents progress. How we moved on since Tunis -- just look at the statements about Human Rights. What chance of those being considered a few years ago. And much more. > > Dont know what you are talking about. You sure have read WSIS docs, right? > > Thanks Parminder. The documents are open for comment. Adam >> >> Everything could be better, but I am quite satisfied we are making progress. > > There is no progress... It is going backwards, and steeply... BTW, do you think democracy is a human right, or it isnt... What is your comment on this human right not only being absent in the initial text but also not being included when a few HLC members asked for it. Will really like to know > > parminder >> >> Please comment on the documents. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >>> jeanette >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andrea at digitalpolicy.it Tue Apr 15 13:26:09 2014 From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:26:09 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: NETmundial / European Commission to facilitate a conference call for information sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Andrea Glorioso wrote: > [ *Apologies if you receive this message multiple times. Please share > with your contacts.* ] > > > > In view of the forthcoming Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future > of Internet Governance (NETMundial, http://www.netmundial.br/) which will > take place in Sao Paulo, Brazil, on 23-24 April 2014, the European > Commission is organising an open conference call, with the purpose of > sharing information among stakeholders. > Please note that a summary of the"information sharing" conference call on NETmundial, which the European Commission hosted and chaired on 8.4.2014, is now available at http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/netmundial-european-commission-facilitate-conference-call-information-sharing-0(scroll down to "Related Documents" and click on "Agenda and Minutes"). All the best, -- Andrea Glorioso (Mr) European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and Technology Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy Development Avenue de Beaulieu 25 (4/64) / B-1049 / Brussels / Belgium T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E: Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu Twitter: @andreaglorioso Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.glorioso LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro The views expressed above are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. Les opinions exprimées ci-dessus n'engagent que leur auteur et ne sauraient en aucun cas être assimilées à une position officielle de la Commission européenne. Be transparent - Sign up to the European Commission's Register of Interest Representatives http://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regrin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anja at internetdemocracy.in Tue Apr 15 14:34:22 2014 From: anja at internetdemocracy.in (Anja Kovacs) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 00:04:22 +0530 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Congrats, Nnenna! This is very good news indeed. Many good proposals have been made already. Following up on Anriette's comments on multistakeholderism and trust, I would in particularly like to support recommendations to not just mention the struggle of engaging with multiple stakeholders etc, but also the urgent need for checks and balances, including transparency and accountability, and appropriate action where these standards are violated. It might be worthwhile to add that if such efforts are not stepped up, support from multistakeholderism will erode quickly as trust in the system will simply have disappeared. Thank you for the opportunity to provide input and make proposals - much appreciated. Anja On 15 April 2014 19:51, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal < jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote: > Congrats Nnenna! > > May I add to Mike excellent comments, one point? > > Nnenna, I am not sure if you will be there *intuitu personae, persona > grata *or representing some, part, or all of Civil society entities (?!), > but just in case you represent some of our thoughts and opinions, I think > it would be nice to mention that among civil society there are people who > disagree with the *equal stakeholder - equal rights - equal footing* thinking and narrative. Stakeholder voices might all be equal, meaning > equally audible, but that amusing "equal footing" expression doesn't mean > that these respectable voices are legitimate or representative of anything, > anyone, and properly checked and balanced. So equal voices with different > rights, that might be interesting to explore. But equal footing meaning > equal rights among stakeholders, that jungle is right the opposite of > Democracy, where corporations are still not invited to make the law, and > participate and seat in parliaments on an equal footing. The *market*seating in the Congress, I wish never to see that in my life. It sounds > like some kind of very un-democratic thing. I do remember that some > comments on these lists where made about civil servants (and their so > called legendary inability to work without other people holding the pencil > for them, which I tend to think as very untrue), and I know that > governmental bashing is just the legitimate cousin of democratic bashing, > but please voice equally and multistakeholderly that there are a diversity > of views. We know that NetMundial will not be able to provide dialogue, but > more some sort of convergence (+1...) out of magic wonder, still it would > to see some principles are respected when it comes to express the diversity > of views. > > Sorry for the ironic tone in that last sentence. > > JC > > Le 15 avr. 2014 à 15:02, michael gurstein a écrit :ung > > Congrats Nnenna, > > Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest > the following: > 1. A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the Common > Good/in the Public Interest... I only see minor and off-handed references to > this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a full-on > commitment/re-commitment to this. This is especially the case given the > risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a "stakeholder" approach > to Internet governance presents. > 2. Framing/reframing "multistakeholderism" as a useful element in > policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place > to ensure the probity and accountability of these processes, within the > context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase "multistakeholder > dialogue in a democratic framework". > 3. Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic) justice. > The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity and wealth > distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the NetMundial > document is extended to include the "Right to Development" needs also to > address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the dominant > issues of our time. > 4. Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the > Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple > "capacity building" which ultimately can only enable the few, into > designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a > useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and > have those voices heard. > Good luck with it. > > Mike > > *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto: > bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Nnenna Nwakanma > *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM > *To:* Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso > *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society > major issues > > > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > All for now > > Nnenna > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- Dr. Anja Kovacs The Internet Democracy Project +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs www.internetdemocracy.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Innovation and the Government Jeff Madrick A new book makes a forceful case for the value and competence of government itself, and for its ability to do what the private sector simply cannot. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/apr/24/innovation-government-was-crucial-after-all/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=April+15+2014&utm_content=April+15+2014+CID_8a397ba65c247c05c90bf915a78ff13b&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=Innovation%20and%20the%20Government __________________________ Jean-Christophe Nothias Editor in Chief jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net @jc_nothias Follow us on Twitter and Like us on Facebook Follow my Op-Eds at the Huffington Post US www.theglobaljournal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito On Apr 15, 2014 9:34 PM, "Anja Kovacs" wrote: > Congrats, Nnenna! This is very good news indeed. > > Many good proposals have been made already. Following up on Anriette's > comments on multistakeholderism and trust, I would in particularly like to > support recommendations to not just mention the struggle of engaging with > multiple stakeholders etc, but also the urgent need for checks and > balances, including transparency and accountability, and appropriate action > where these standards are violated. It might be worthwhile to add that if > such efforts are not stepped up, support from multistakeholderism will > erode quickly as trust in the system will simply have disappeared. > > Thank you for the opportunity to provide input and make proposals - much > appreciated. > > Anja > > > > > On 15 April 2014 19:51, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal < > jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote: > >> Congrats Nnenna! >> >> May I add to Mike excellent comments, one point? >> >> Nnenna, I am not sure if you will be there *intuitu personae, persona >> grata *or representing some, part, or all of Civil society entities >> (?!), but just in case you represent some of our thoughts and opinions, I >> think it would be nice to mention that among civil society there are people >> who disagree with the *equal stakeholder - equal rights - equal footing* thinking and narrative. Stakeholder voices might all be equal, meaning >> equally audible, but that amusing "equal footing" expression doesn't mean >> that these respectable voices are legitimate or representative of anything, >> anyone, and properly checked and balanced. So equal voices with different >> rights, that might be interesting to explore. But equal footing meaning >> equal rights among stakeholders, that jungle is right the opposite of >> Democracy, where corporations are still not invited to make the law, and >> participate and seat in parliaments on an equal footing. The *market*seating in the Congress, I wish never to see that in my life. It sounds >> like some kind of very un-democratic thing. I do remember that some >> comments on these lists where made about civil servants (and their so >> called legendary inability to work without other people holding the pencil >> for them, which I tend to think as very untrue), and I know that >> governmental bashing is just the legitimate cousin of democratic bashing, >> but please voice equally and multistakeholderly that there are a diversity >> of views. We know that NetMundial will not be able to provide dialogue, but >> more some sort of convergence (+1...) out of magic wonder, still it would >> to see some principles are respected when it comes to express the diversity >> of views. >> >> Sorry for the ironic tone in that last sentence. >> >> JC >> >> Le 15 avr. 2014 à 15:02, michael gurstein a écrit :ung >> >> Congrats Nnenna, >> >> Since you are asking for suggestions for points to cover I would suggest >> the following: >> 1. A formal commitment/re-commitment to the Internet for the >> Common Good/in the Public Interest… I only see minor and off-handed >> references to this in the NetMundial statement but there needs to be a >> full-on commitment/re-commitment to this. This is especially the case >> given the risks of fragmentation/privatization of interests a “stakeholder” >> approach to Internet governance presents. >> 2. Framing/reframing “multistakeholderism” as a useful element in >> policy consultation and development, with suitable measures being in place >> to ensure the probity and accountability of these processes, within the >> context of democratic decision making. I like the phrase “multistakeholder >> dialogue in a democratic framework”. >> 3. Linking Internet Governance with social (and economic) >> justice. The Internet is becoming a dominant means for economic activity >> and wealth distribution/redistribution. Internet Governance, which in the >> NetMundial document is extended to include the “Right to Development” needs >> also to address social justice issues which are rapidly becoming the >> dominant issues of our time. >> 4. Finding the means to allow the widest range of voices into the >> Internet Governance dialogue. What this means is going beyond simple >> “capacity building” which ultimately can only enable the few, into >> designing processes and mechanisms which allow for the many to have a >> useful understanding of the broader issues and mechanisms to give voice and >> have those voices heard. >> Good luck with it. >> >> Mike >> >> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto: >> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Nnenna Nwakanma >> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 11:36 PM >> *To:* Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.netso >> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >> major issues >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me >> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one >> of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >> >> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >> >> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into >> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues >> will be overlooked. >> >> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >> >> Hope we can pull this off well. >> All for now >> >> Nnenna >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > > -- > Dr. Anja Kovacs > The Internet Democracy Project > > +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs > www.internetdemocracy.in > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joana at varonferraz.com Wed Apr 16 01:45:05 2014 From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 02:45:05 -0300 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <6DAA9AE69F1945B1848B429849D23801@Toshiba> References: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> <6DAA9AE69F1945B1848B429849D23801@Toshiba> Message-ID: Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly changing the geopolitics! Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma! +1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that kept coming in this thread with some additions: - Surveillance and the right to privacy - digital divide is still an issue - net neutrality shall be reinforced - IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced - multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency, accountability and eventually sanctions - we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing parts of the world (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the outcome) - need for capacity building and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the web we want, is the web we trust. ;) On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together > > *From:* Louis Pouzin (well) > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM > *To:* Nnenna Nwakanma > *Cc:* Best Bits ; > mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at > Netmundial - Civil Society major issues > > Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS. > > some bits > - linguistic diversity > - translation in workshop sessions > - funding for LDC delegates in international events > - protection of traditional knowledge > - affordable medicine > - free educational material > . > Louis > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- -- Joana Varon Ferraz @joana_varon PGP 0x016B8E73 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joana at varonferraz.com Wed Apr 16 01:48:19 2014 From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 02:48:19 -0300 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> <6DAA9AE69F1945B1848B429849D23801@Toshiba> Message-ID: would also mention the need to come up with some sort of coordination mechanism for addressing the gaps on IG policies... rock it! On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Joana Varon wrote: > Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly > changing the geopolitics! > > Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma! > +1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that > kept coming in this thread with some additions: > > - Surveillance and the right to privacy > > - digital divide is still an issue > > - net neutrality shall be reinforced > > - IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and > inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced > > - multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic > participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence > within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency, > accountability and eventually sanctions > > - we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing > parts of the world (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be > able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the > outcome) > > - need for capacity building > > and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the > web we want, is the web we trust. > > ;) > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together >> >> *From:* Louis Pouzin (well) >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM >> *To:* Nnenna Nwakanma >> *Cc:* Best Bits ; >> mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at >> Netmundial - Civil Society major issues >> >> Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS. >> >> some bits >> - linguistic diversity >> - translation in workshop sessions >> - funding for LDC delegates in international events >> - protection of traditional knowledge >> - affordable medicine >> - free educational material >> . >> Louis >> >> ------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > > -- > -- > > Joana Varon Ferraz > @joana_varon > PGP 0x016B8E73 > > > -- -- Joana Varon Ferraz @joana_varon PGP 0x016B8E73 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Apr 16 04:25:30 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:25:30 +1000 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> <6DAA9AE69F1945B1848B429849D23801@Toshiba> Message-ID: <135BE807247043E291087169A6BF8F24@Toshiba> I like Anne’s suggestion. I definitely think that a percentage of ICANN revenue (aka taxes) should be set aside for such purposes. As regards common good/ public utility; I am very interested to see what others think. I am reminded of the Macbride description of mass media as “a tool for the development of humankind”, and also of the various arguments (Bob Franklin and others) that we should treat Internet as we do footpaths, roads, etc – available to all to use and not restricted on the grounds of affordability. As yet, I dont think the internet is a common good or a public utility. Perhaps it should be; an interesting question is what will need to happen before it is a common good or a public utility. Ian Peter From: Anne Jellema Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:56 PM To: Joana Varon Cc: Ian Peter ; Louis Pouzin (well) ; Nnenna Nwakanma ; Best Bits ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues Hi all Resource issues have been mentioned several times in proposals for Nnenna's speech: - Access issues, closing the digital divide(s) - Resources needed for civil society to play its part in IG processes on a more equal footing with other 'stakeholders' - Resources needed for the IGF to function well I strongly agree that these issues need to be raised. I think we will be most effective if we also put forward proposals for acting on them. I wonder if we want to suggest that a portion of domain name revenue should be set aside in a public benefit fund to help close the above resource gaps. Clearly the design and governance of such a fund would be incredibly hard to get right. But at this stage, it's a matter of pushing for a broad principle: i.e. that a part of the hundreds of millions raised every year in domain name fees (ICANN alone will earn $200m in 2014, according to their 2014 budget statement) should be reinvested in public benefit efforts that would contribute to achieving the admirable rights and principles listed in the outcome document. Additionally, in tackling the first point (access/digital divide), is there broad consensus among us that the internet should be considered a common good and/or a public utility? Best Anne On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Joana Varon wrote: Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly changing the geopolitics! Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma! +1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that kept coming in this thread with some additions: - Surveillance and the right to privacy - digital divide is still an issue - net neutrality shall be reinforced - IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced - multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency, accountability and eventually sanctions - we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing parts of the world (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the outcome) - need for capacity building and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the web we want, is the web we trust. ;) On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together From: Louis Pouzin (well) Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM To: Nnenna Nwakanma Cc: Best Bits ; mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS. some bits - linguistic diversity - translation in workshop sessions - funding for LDC delegates in international events - protection of traditional knowledge - affordable medicine - free educational material . Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. 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I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments.. Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it. This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. parminder On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: > Carlos, > > Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco > Civil; it is not here in this document... > > And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically > removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to > convince us that net neutrality is still there... > > Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' > which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed > from both places.. > > Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has > been removed.. > > Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... > > The part on access for disabled has been weakened... > > The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to > address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home > has been greatly diluted... > > So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make > sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere > with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through... > > And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big > business or the US gov... > > Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the > European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term > 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet > governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... > > There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of > multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the > changes in the document clearly show. > > BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked > documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet > as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! > > What are you asking the people of the world to do with this > document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 > places it says multi-stakeholder.... > > parminder > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >> please re-read. >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>> to help Nnenna? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all >>>> >>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>> >>>> best >>>> MF >>>> >>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>> >>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>> >>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>> >>>>> Anriette >>>>> >>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>> + 1 >>>>>> jeanette >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Governance ; >>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>> issues >>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> anriette esterhuysenanriette at apc.org >>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>> www.apc.org >>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>> south africa >>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>> -- >>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>> >>>> @GloComm >>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>> @netrights >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . >>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 07:13:42 2014 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:13:42 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] multistakeholderism is democracy was Re: [] FW: US Is an O... In-Reply-To: References: <1DEB7534D981B444BF234789326B22A8AF08BDFC51@MBX.INTERNEWS.LOCAL> <079f01cf5898$762b5ba0$628212e0$@gmail.com> <534D3E2C.6020609@acm.org> <534D4240.3040209@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, parminder wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:07 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > > > SNIP > > > . So democracy as a concept cannot be frozen into the practice of voting > as we know it today (one person, one vote) in the sole context of > nation-sates. > > > It may not be frozen into the practice of voting-- there is a huge amount > of literature and practice of participatory democracy that says exactly > that.. But, can we freeze in not having a vote for corporates - in fact > multiple and exclusive votes, where ordinary people do not have votes... > That is MS decision making... > By that sentence plus the phrase that says MSism may be more, or less, democratic --as indeed the gist of a good chunk of my message-- I was in fact addressing the party that reacts against any reference to democracy in the Ig context (as seems to be the case with Milton reacting to EC's Neelie Kroes' blog post on the NETmundial outcome draft document.) So don't get me wrong: I am not satisfied with everything about MSism although I remain open to the fact that some implementation(s) of it may work well in some setting(s). And as I have suggested, I can't even effectively compare Democracy and Multi-stakeholderism because, as I said, it seems to me we're conflating different levels of analysis (it's even worse when one thinks Democracy is something that is necessarily confined within nation-state boundaries for government affairs.) Furthermore, the simple word "democracy" (the rule of the people) tells me a good deal about the intent, goal and set of values being in play, while the simple word "multistakeholderism" only tells me that multiple stakeholders are involved. It doesn't even say "multi-stakeholder-cracy" and it's much easier for so many people around the world to understand the notion of "the people" than it is for us here to even agree on what constitutes "stakeholder" (let alone for people at large to understand what it is.) And for those who think they can effectively compare MSism with Democracy (putting them on the same plane of analysis), I would like someone to tell me (indeed demonstrate) how you're going to use MSism to elect the US President and members of Congress -- in a way that will convince American people that this will better serve their interests as opposed to what they have right now. Further on that line of reflection, one might wonder what are those state Republicans (still in the US) intent on vote suppression or making it harder to some people to vote at elections up to? And what about all the gerrymandering of the districts? Are they being less democratic in a democracy, or more democratic? Are they having their own version of MSism? (I'm asking this not to be provocative but because it was my impression that some people see any reference to voting, equated with Democracy, as something counter to MSism.) And if they're just messing around for pure political/election gains (IOW, making "rational choices") what would be the (principled?) response of Democracy to that and what would be MSism's? [Again, the boundaries for the questions in the above 2 paragraphs to make sense, in my view, are delineated by the thinking that assumes both models are comparable in such a way that one can be said to be better than and to supersede the other.] > > > Why do we need to go beyond participatory democracy as the means of > fulfilling the ideal of democracy and rather jump to MSism which is simply > not democratic in a thousand way..... > On the other hand, could you please elaborate on how you would concretely apply participatory democracy to decision-making about the Internet and all what we're referring to as its governance? Sorry if you've done this elsewhere and I haven't read it. Otherwise, my sense is that all your criticism is being construed as advocacy for intergovernmental mode of governance, notably though traditional treaty-making. I don't have answers to all the questions. I still have a lot of thinking to do and a lot to learn. But those are the things I can say so far regarding the question of MSism and Democracy. Democracy is much older and has delivered many goods, and I don't think anybody can say (nor do I think anybody is saying) it's time to throw that away. MSism is much younger (in its infancy) and still needs to prove itself in the eyes of countless number of people. However, I don't think one can replace the other because I see them conceptually and to some extent operationally at different levels. That's why I can conceive of a MSism instance that is less democratic, even anti-democratic, as well as I can conceive of one that is more democratic or maybe even enhancing Democracy in an already existing form. It will all depend on the specifics on the implementation at hand: the setting, what is in a "stakeholder" and how do they impact the decision-making process, to mention the most obvious ones. On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote: > > MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could > > have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing > > after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after > > tyranny, aristocracy, etc.) > > I am one who does argues that Multistakeholderism is not just another > decision making process. > > I also do not claim in is the next big thing after democracy. I argue > that it is a form of democracy. I cannot fundamentally disagree with that but I might say it differently: Multistakeholderism may be a form of exercise of democracy. For it to be effectively so, we would need (as I mention above) consensus on who are the stakeholders (or even what is a stakeholder) and how do they impact decisions, etc. Are all the conditions in place for everyone to have equal chance to participate and influence the outcome, if they're so inclined? It is those details that will make MSism a form of Democracy or not. > . > > I do agree that there is not just one form of the multistakeholder > model, but argue that there are attributes of Multistakeholderism as > participatory democracy that are necessary. > Do you think we could initiate collaborative work with the aim to put together a table which will include those attributes as well as the points of criticism? > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM, parminder wrote: > >> >> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >>> >>> On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote: >>> >>>> MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could >>>> have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing >>>> after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after >>>> tyranny, aristocracy, etc.) >>>> >>> >> You had in your email sought focussing on actual practices... Therefore >> you need to look at practices of MSism... It is indeed the next thing after >> democracy, and NOT democracy... MSism gives big business a veto on public >> policy making. This kind of thing is impossible to even mention in a >> democratic discourse.. But the same unmentionable has been dressed by >> employment of huge expenditure of resources in the respectable clothes if >> MSism. >> >> Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing' >> model (1) gives veto power to big business and (2) such a thing is >> unattainable in democratic discourse and practice.. >> > I agree with (2). I haven't seen a formal veto power accorded to any stakeholder group but in some instances there is de facto something bordering a veto. Based on my experience with the GNSO Council at ICANN, particularly with the WHOIS policy debate. It seemed that business would push for yet another task force, and yet another working group, etc. until they get what they wanted (and the system allowed for that kind of manoeuvre.) The issue was so contentious we had to take a vote and their party lost. Their refusal to take a No for an answer led the Chair to accept, at the Marrakesh meeting (2006? or 07) the request that those who voted for the definition of Whois that won the vote to explain their... vote. I'm sure he meant it to be a kind of pedagogical engagement with the public at large. But think about that: you have to publicly declare your vote and explain it on the request of people who reject the result (and only those who voted for that result were asked to do that, obviously because of what they voted for.) I objected and declined. It made me feel like I was a character in a novel by Milan Kundera in which the setting is the old (pre-Vaclav Havel) Czechoslovakia -- The Joke (La Plaisanterie). That was my closest encounter with MSism ;) but it has been years now and I want to believe things didn't stay that way (so I don't mean the above as a wholesale characterization.) Or at least we can contribute to shaping them in a better direction (though I must say the way you describe what has been happening to the NETmundial draft document is alarming.) Mawaki > >> Now you may say that I am speaking about entirely imaginary models of >> MSism, and creatign strawmen of MSism... >> >> Well, no.. >> >> On the BestBit list an elaborate model has been developed and presented, >> latest in response to the leaked NetMundial draft (did you also support >> this model?) which creates a multistakeholder screening mechanism for >> taking up any public policy issue.. Does this not give big business a veto >> on what matters can be taken for public policy treatment? Is this >> democratic? >> >> Second, the NetMundial draft document seeks public policy making through >> consensus basis alone - which is an multistakeholder consensus on equal >> footing... It says that processes of governance have to be first be agreed >> by all stakeholders (keep reading business when I say stakeholders bec it >> is they for whom these models are fashioned).... >> >> Now, is it democratic to give business (big business, no one asked my >> corner shop guy) such structural vetos over public policy making? What >> could be more democratic... >> >> Since you said devil is in the details, lets talk about the detail and >> the devil... Lets talk specifics, and these above are the specifics of >> MSism... >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions? But I would not blame big business Parminder. Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective. Anriette On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: > > And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and > public standards' which was in the initial draft...... > > I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document > that has been put for public comments.. > > Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not > heard anyone present it. > > This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward > to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. > > parminder > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >> Carlos, >> >> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco >> Civil; it is not here in this document... >> >> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically >> removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to >> convince us that net neutrality is still there... >> >> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' >> which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed >> from both places.. >> >> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has >> been removed.. >> >> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been >> removed... >> >> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >> >> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to >> address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home >> has been greatly diluted... >> >> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make >> sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially >> interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass >> through... >> >> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to >> big business or the US gov... >> >> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the >> European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term >> 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of >> Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not >> accepted... >> >> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of >> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the >> changes in the document clearly show. >> >> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked >> documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet >> as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >> >> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this >> document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 >> places it says multi-stakeholder.... >> >> parminder >> >> >> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>> please re-read. >>> >>> --c.a. >>> >>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>> to help Nnenna? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all >>>>> >>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>> >>>>> best >>>>> MF >>>>> >>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>> >>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>> >>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anriette >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* Governance ; >>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>> south africa >>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>> >>>>> @GloComm >>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>> @netrights >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . >>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 11:37:00 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <00c701cf58aa$e83c3c20$b8b4b460$@gmail.com> <6DAA9AE69F1945B1848B429849D23801@Toshiba> Message-ID: Dear Joana, What a great slogan! I'd suggest one small addition - The web we want is the web we *can* trust Deirdre On 16 April 2014 01:45, Joana Varon wrote: > Ian has just read my mind: Nnenna, please, thank Mr Snowden, for slightly > changing the geopolitics! > > Also, it seams you will be sharing the stage with our president Dilma! > +1 to anriette's and Anja's points + my potpourri from the topics that > kept coming in this thread with some additions: > > - Surveillance and the right to privacy > > - digital divide is still an issue > > - net neutrality shall be reinforced > > - IANA transition shall not overcome the debate, but transparency and > inclusiveness in this process, beyond ICANN community shall be enforced > > - multistakeholderism is not enough, we need a bottom up democratic > participation, which enables balance to the lack of power and influence > within stakeholder groups. But also checks and balances, transparency, > accountability and eventually sanctions > > - we need to increase meaningful participation from people in developing > parts of the world (I guess at the end we are all very privileged to be > able to engage and understand this debate, as well as responsible for the > outcome) > > - need for capacity building > > and there was a lot of reference to trust trust trust.. So, I guess, the > web we want, is the web we trust. > > ;) > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> and thank Edward Snowden for bringing us all together >> >> *From:* Louis Pouzin (well) >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:21 AM >> *To:* Nnenna Nwakanma >> *Cc:* Best Bits ; >> mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at >> Netmundial - Civil Society major issues >> >> Bravo Nnenna, an honour for you, Africa, and the CS. >> >> some bits >> - linguistic diversity >> - translation in workshop sessions >> - funding for LDC delegates in international events >> - protection of traditional knowledge >> - affordable medicine >> - free educational material >> . >> Louis >> >> ------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > > -- > -- > > Joana Varon Ferraz > @joana_varon > PGP 0x016B8E73 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Wed Apr 16 11:46:31 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:46:31 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> Message-ID: what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing? Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is: Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation. (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/) Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful? Adam (in my individual capacity) On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Agree with Parminder. > > We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions? > > But I would not blame big business Parminder. > > Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective. > > Anriette > > > On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: >> >> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft...... >> >> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments.. >> >> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it. >> >> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. >> >> parminder >> >> >> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >>> Carlos, >>> >>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document... >>> >>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there... >>> >>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places.. >>> >>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed.. >>> >>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... >>> >>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >>> >>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted... >>> >>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through... >>> >>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov... >>> >>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... >>> >>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. >>> >>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>> >>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>> please re-read. >>>> >>>> --c.a. >>>> >>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < >>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>>> MF >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen >>>>>>> anriette at apc.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>> >>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>> >>>>>> @netrights >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> >>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen > anriette at apc.org > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > www.apc.org > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Apr 16 12:02:10 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:32:10 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> Message-ID: <534EA982.1020109@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 16 April 2014 08:55 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Agree with Parminder. > > We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just > all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do > collaborative submissions? Anriette I am happy to join any credible strategy others come up with. Right now ITfC and partners are thinking about our response. > > But I would not blame big business Parminder. > > Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are > also problematic from a public-interest perspective. > In case of such inter-gov processes, civil society openly names and criticizes those who are responsible for non-inclusion or exclusion of public -interest text. we never shy away from it... Whether it is Saudi Arabia and China, or the US or EU - I have seen this everywhere, in WIPO discussions on access to knowledge for the disabled, in human right resolutions, in WTO negotiations on food grain subsidies, in climate talks about concrete targets and so on.. Civil society uses naming and shaming as a regular tactic. Why should we be shy to name 'bad actors' in the present case, What is the basis of cultivating any special relationship with big business based on non-criticism or anything. Here, most exclusions, net neutrality, pulbicness of standards, free flow of information (as per my understanding), weakening of provision on access for disabled, not accepting HLM members suggestion to include 'democratic' have happened on big business' behest, largely, although there are other key omissions caused by the one country most opposed to global measures against surveillance and cyber weapon control.. So, I dont understand why should I not blame big business when they re to be blamed? I find no reason. Well, I know they can play a big role in top civil society selections - like they did with the CS co chair of NetMundial - but thanks, I am not interested. parminder > Anriette > > > On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: >> >> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and >> public standards' which was in the initial draft...... >> >> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome >> document that has been put for public comments.. >> >> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not >> heard anyone present it. >> >> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much >> forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome >> document. >> >> parminder >> >> >> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >>> Carlos, >>> >>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco >>> Civil; it is not here in this document... >>> >>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically >>> removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to >>> convince us that net neutrality is still there... >>> >>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' >>> which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed >>> from both places.. >>> >>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has >>> been removed.. >>> >>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been >>> removed... >>> >>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >>> >>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to >>> address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home >>> has been greatly diluted... >>> >>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make >>> sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially >>> interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass >>> through... >>> >>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to >>> big business or the US gov... >>> >>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the >>> European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term >>> 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of >>> Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not >>> accepted... >>> >>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of >>> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the >>> changes in the document clearly show. >>> >>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked >>> documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet >>> as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>> >>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this >>> document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 >>> places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>> please re-read. >>>> >>>> --c.a. >>>> >>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>>> MF >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance ; >>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> anriette esterhuysenanriette at apc.org >>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>> >>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>> @netrights >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . >>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysenanriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Wed Apr 16 12:07:46 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:07:46 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> Message-ID: <534EAAD2.5040508@cafonso.ca> Dear Anri, "collaborative submissions" not inserted in the comments space will not work at this point. Use the comments, and please recall the deadline for them is April 21st. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/16/2014 12:25 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Agree with Parminder. > > We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just > all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do > collaborative submissions? > > But I would not blame big business Parminder. > > Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are > also problematic from a public-interest perspective. > > Anriette > > > On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: >> >> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and >> public standards' which was in the initial draft...... >> >> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document >> that has been put for public comments.. >> >> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not >> heard anyone present it. >> >> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward >> to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. >> >> parminder >> >> >> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >>> Carlos, >>> >>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco >>> Civil; it is not here in this document... >>> >>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically >>> removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to >>> convince us that net neutrality is still there... >>> >>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' >>> which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed >>> from both places.. >>> >>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has >>> been removed.. >>> >>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been >>> removed... >>> >>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >>> >>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to >>> address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home >>> has been greatly diluted... >>> >>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make >>> sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially >>> interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass >>> through... >>> >>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to >>> big business or the US gov... >>> >>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the >>> European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term >>> 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of >>> Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not >>> accepted... >>> >>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of >>> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the >>> changes in the document clearly show. >>> >>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked >>> documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet >>> as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>> >>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this >>> document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 >>> places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>> please re-read. >>>> >>>> --c.a. >>>> >>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>>> MF >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance ; >>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>> >>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>> @netrights >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . >>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Wed Apr 16 12:10:44 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:10:44 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> Message-ID: <534EAB84.9090309@cafonso.ca> Excellent, objective comments, Adam. --c.a. On 04/16/2014 12:46 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing? > > Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) > > The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is: > > Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation. > > (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/) > > Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful? > > Adam (in my individual capacity) > > > On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> Agree with Parminder. >> >> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions? >> >> But I would not blame big business Parminder. >> >> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: >>> >>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft...... >>> >>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments.. >>> >>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it. >>> >>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >>>> Carlos, >>>> >>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document... >>>> >>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there... >>>> >>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places.. >>>> >>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed.. >>>> >>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... >>>> >>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >>>> >>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted... >>>> >>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through... >>>> >>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov... >>>> >>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... >>>> >>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. >>>> >>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>>> >>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>>> please re-read. >>>>> >>>>> --c.a. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < >>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best >>>>>>> MF >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen >>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @netrights >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> anriette esterhuysen >> anriette at apc.org >> >> executive director, association for progressive communications >> >> www.apc.org >> >> po box 29755, melville 2109 >> south africa >> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Apr 16 12:10:21 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:40:21 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> Message-ID: <534EAB6D.70901@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing? If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and Equitable Internet' (enclosed) "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned, freely accessible and implementable. " I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further. No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much earlier. parminder > > Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) > > The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is: > > Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation. > > (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/) > > Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful? > > Adam (in my individual capacity) > > > On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> Agree with Parminder. >> >> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions? >> >> But I would not blame big business Parminder. >> >> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: >>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft...... >>> >>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments.. >>> >>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it. >>> >>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >>>> Carlos, >>>> >>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document... >>>> >>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there... >>>> >>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places.. >>>> >>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed.. >>>> >>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... >>>> >>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >>>> >>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted... >>>> >>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through... >>>> >>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov... >>>> >>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... >>>> >>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. >>>> >>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>>> >>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>>> please re-read. >>>>> >>>>> --c.a. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < >>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best >>>>>>> MF >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen >>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @netrights >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> anriette esterhuysen >> anriette at apc.org >> >> executive director, association for progressive communications >> >> www.apc.org >> >> po box 29755, melville 2109 >> south africa >> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The purpose of NETmundial is to develop principles of Internet governance and a roadmap for the future development of this ecosystem. I have already sharedwith all of you my thoughts on the draft "outcome document" that I and other members of the High-Level Multi-stakeholder Committee of NETmundialreceived on 3 April 2014. In the meantime, the organisers of the conference have published a new version of the outcome documentand are inviting everyone to send their views and comments – I warmly invite all of you to do so. I did so, too; I have sent an email to the membersof the High Level Multi-stakeholder Committee, to the Chair of the Meeting (Prof. Virgilio Almeida) and to the two co-chairs of the Executive Meeting Committee, Raul Echeberria and Demi Getschko. Again, in a spirit of transparency, I would like to share the contents of this message with the broader Internet community.... so please read my letter below. *From: KROES Neelie (CAB-KROES)* *Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 7:26 PM* *To: 'hlmc at netmundial.br '* *Subject: Proposals for the NETmundial outcome document* Dear colleagues, I am pleased to see that the draft outcome document for NETmundial has been published and that the broader public has now the possibility to intervene in the discussion, before we all meet in Sao Paulo next week. Again, I would like to thank all the members of the Executive Multistakeholder Committee, as well as the Chair and the Co-Chairs of the meeting, for their tireless work. As a follow-up to the commentswhich I have already shared with you, I would like to make some further observations. In the same spirit of transparency as my previous communication, I am also posting a copy of this e-mail on my blog . I continue to strongly believe that the outcomes of NETmundial must be concrete and actionable, with clear milestones and with a realistic but ambitious timeline. Several reactions to my comments show that I am not alone in thinking that concreteness is paramount to the success of this important gathering; and even though positions on substance may well differ, I believe that my assessment on the necessity of a "change of pace" in these discussions is shared by a broad range of stakeholders. Read in this light, it is clear me that more work is needed on the latest draft; especially if we consider that a number of public contributions submitted to NETmundial did include concrete and actionable suggestions. Luckily, several passages of the draft outcome document do lend themselves quite well to being turned into more concrete actions – and we should make full use of this opportunity. I will focus on six specific examples: 1. Improvements to the multi-stakeholder model 2. Strengthening the Internet Governance Forum 3. Tools and mechanisms for better information sharing and capacity building 4. Globalisation of IANA 5. Globalisation of ICANN 6. Jurisdictional issues on the Internet *(1) Improvements to the multi-stakeholder model* The draft outcome document refers several times to the need to *further improve and strengthen the multi-stakeholder model*, to enable the full and balanced participation of all stakeholders from around the globe, to have clear and transparent processes and procedures (including mechanisms for checks and balances and for review). I completely agree – in fact, I have said so for a long time. The keywords here are inclusiveness and openness, which must both be real and meaningful, not just theoretical. NETmundial should be the moment to properly connect the debates on Internet governance with the discussions and concrete activities on citizens' engagement and participatory democracy. Europe has been quite active in this field, ranging from EU-funded projects in the ICT field, such as DEMO-NET , Cross Overand D-CENT ; to legal innovations such as the European Citizens Initiative; to national initiatives such as the use of Liquid Democracy in the Germany and the People's Assembly Rahvakoguin Estonia, to name just a few. Brazil, with the inclusive and participatory conception and discussions on the "Marco Civil", is also an inspiration for all of us. And it is purely for reasons of space that I cannot mention all the efforts by many organisations and individuals across the world. In its Communication on Internet Policy and Governanceof 12 February 2014, the European Commission suggested that the *further development of multistakeholder guidelines and the sharing of best practices* would be a good manner to move forward. Accordingly, *I suggest that the outcomes of NETmundial should include*: - a clear commitment to the *bottom-up and cooperative* development of a "concept paper" to be discussed at the 9th Internet Governance Forum (Istanbul, Turkey, *2-5 September 2014*); - this concept paper should identify initial recommendations on how the above mentioned engagement and participatory tools and initiatives could be used in Internet governance debates; it should also propose an initial outline of principles-based guidelines to safeguard accountability, transparency, inclusiveness and independence for multi-stakeholder processes; - the discussions in Istanbul and all other appropriate fora should lead, by the *beginning of 2015*, to a proposal for two "case studies", to examine how we could turn the high-level principles into concrete, operational practices of existing Internet governance organisations and processes; - further discussions and practical experimentation on these cases studies could then result in a *concrete reference paper* to be presented and discussed at the 10th Internet Governance Forum, towards the *end of 2015* – and of course, to be further refined as need be. *(2) Strengthening the Internet Governance Forum* I referred multiple times to the *Internet Governance Forum* or IGF. The draft outcome document of NETmundial clearly mentions the need for strengthening and improving this most important and unique example of global and multi-stakeholder engagement and dialogue. I agree that such improvements should include an extension of the IGF mandate beyond its usual 5-years cycle, without prejudice to any possible adaptation of such mandate as the global community will see fit; I also agree that ensuring stable and predictable funding for the IGF is absolutely essential. I reiterate my invitation for everyone, but especially those organisations which have greatly benefited from the Internet, to become a donor to the IGF – like the EU, some of its Member States and others from the public and private sector. I believe that NETmundial should also make a clear reference, and if possible provide some practical examples, on how innovative forms of crowd-funding could contribute to this joint effort. The other improvements mentioned in the draft outcome document, namely the need to implement creative ways of providing outcomes / recommendations and the analysis of policy options, and to promote inter-sessional dialogues between the yearly gatherings of the IGF, are also essential and, in my view, closely linked to the need to better connect to existing experiences, expertise and practical tools for inclusive engagement, that I highlighted above. On this basis, *I propose that the NETmundial outcome document should ask the Multistakeholder Advisory Group to present to the global community a clear and realistic assessment of how and when, in their view, these recommendations could be concretely implemented*, at the 9th Internet Governance Forum in *September 2014*. Members of the MAG serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; I am therefore certain that such assessment would be well informed and inclusive of all opinions. But to be even more concrete: let us not forget that, as the draft outcome document mentions, we already have a very clear set of recommendations to refer to, i.e. the *Report of the Working Group on Improvements to the Internet Governance Forum*(WGIGF) of 2012. Some of these recommendations have been acted upon; some are still lingering; but more in general, I sense that we are missing a sense of the "global picture". Therefore, I would strongly *recommend that one of the concrete outputs of NETmundial should be an assessment – even if an initial one – of where we stand in terms of implementation for each recommendation of the WGIGF*, or at the very least a clear commitment that such assessment will be presented at the latest at 9th Internet Governance Forum in *September 2014*; and that this "state of play" will be duly updated and be open to public input, possibly using participatory tools as I highlighted above. *(3) Tools and mechanisms for better information sharing and capacity building* As you can certainly see, I strongly believe in the *use of appropriate ICT tools* for better and more inclusive dialogues. The NETmundial draft outcome document clearly mentions the need for communication and coordination within the Internet governance ecosystem, including via tools to perform on-going monitoring, analysis, and information-sharing function. I have already highlighted in my previous comments how the European Commission is investing in the *Global Internet Policy Observatory initiative*(GIPO) as a way to experiment with the automated collection, analysis, organisation and visualisation of information on Internet governance discussions and decisions. The European Commission is currently finalising a feasibility assessment of the technological and organisational options for the GIPO, and we will share our conclusions by *mid-2014*, with a view to launch the technological development of GIPO by the *end of 2014*. In the meantime many other organisations, public and private, are either already working or are planning to invest in Internet policy observatories and similar initiatives. We should strive to avoid duplication of efforts. Let me be crystal clear: I do not see any need for a winner-takes-all beauty contest between observatories. Quite the contrary. But we should strive to learn from each other's understanding of the problems and proposed solutions. Ideally, we should also move towards a federation of Internet policy observatories. I therefore suggest that the draft outcome document of NETmundial should *include a clear commitment to have a broad, inclusive and operational roundtable among all "observatory initiatives"* during the 9th Internet Governance Forum in *September 2014*; ideally, this roundtable should lead to the development of an initial "*collaboration roadmap*" by *mid-2015* and identify mechanisms, including via existing meetings and dialogues, to foster cooperation and communication among these various initiatives. *(4) Globalisation of IANA* You already know how important I believe it is to keep the momentum towards a real and effective globalisation of core Internet functions and decisions, including IANA. ICANN has recently shared a draft "scoping paper" and a roadmap that will certainly be helpful in the discussions on the globalisation of IANA. *I believe that the NETmundial outcome document should explicitly recognise this draft proposal by ICANN as an important contribution and explicitly call all stakeholders to express their views on it*. *I also believe that in order for this discussion to be truly meaningful, the NETmundial outcome document should clearly flag that*: - the engagement of the broader public should make full use of *all** existing meetings and fora*, including the global Internet Governance Forum and the regional ones, as appropriate; ICANN should also reach out to organisations across the world which are willing and capable to foster dialogue among citizens, besides and beyond those who are able to attend the meetings of ICANN or other Internet technical organisations; - with due consideration to the criteria which the US Government has presented in its announcement of 14 March 2014, *there should be no artificial limitation in the scope of the discussion*. For example, a consideration of *various organisational options*, as well as of the *opportunity* and the *most appropriate ways to separate policy, operational and oversight activities* should not be "off-limits", if we want the debate on the future of IANA to be seen as truly legitimate at the global level. *(5) Globalisation of ICANN* The CEO of ICANN has recently declaredthat a public dialogue on how to strengthen ICANN’s accountability will soon be launched. In my view, this dialogue cannot be separated from the broader issue of how to make ICANN a truly global organization serving the public interest, as the draft outcome document mentions. I understand that this dialogue will look at strengthening existing accountability mechanisms like the Affirmation of Commitments, and ICANN’s redress mechanisms, as well as exploring new accountability mechanisms where necessary. I am looking forward to further information and details and I expect that ICANN will also provide a clear timeline on the concrete implementation of its globalisation efforts. Accordingly, I *recommend that the NETmundial outcome document clearly invites ICANN to share its concrete proposals* at the 50th ICANN meeting (London, UK, *22-26 June 2014*). *(6) Jurisdictional issues on the Internet* It is natural, when talking about globalisation, to reflect not only on the amazing opportunities brought about by the Internet, but also on the challenges which this inherently cross-border medium raises with respect to the application of laws. The European Commission committedto launching an in-depth review of the risks, at international level, of conflicts of laws and jurisdictions arising on the Internet and to assess all mechanisms, processes and tools available and necessary to solve such conflicts. The NETmundial draft outcome document clearly identifies jurisdictional issues and how they relate to Internet governance as "material for further discussion". While I understand and agree that a full debate on this broad topic during NETmundial would be neither desirable nor productive, *we should have a stronger commitment to a phase-by-phase examination of this issue*, with a view to produce "good practice" guidelines as appropriate. Accordingly, *I suggest that the outcomes of NETmundial should include *an invitation to interested parties to: - develop a "scoping paper" by *July 2014*; - facilitate on-line and off-line engagement opportunities, as appropriate, in the run-up to the 9th Internet Governance Forum (Istanbul, Turkey, *2-5 September 2014*); - following these discussions, aim to produce a first draft of "problem statements" and possible recommendations by the *first half of 2015*. Dear colleagues, I thank you for your patience in reading my observations and proposals, which I trust will be useful in further refining the outcome document of NETmundial. Kind regards, Neelie Kroes +++ Best, -- Andrea Glorioso (Mr) European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and Technology Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy Development Avenue de Beaulieu 25 (4/64) / B-1049 / Brussels / Belgium T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E: Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu Twitter: @andreaglorioso Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.glorioso LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro The views expressed above are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. Les opinions exprimées ci-dessus n'engagent que leur auteur et ne sauraient en aucun cas être assimilées à une position officielle de la Commission européenne. 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(this second is just a rhetoric question to understand the process) On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > Please see Use the Navigate button. > > Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > Adam > > > > WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE > > After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global > Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received > 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by > representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and > Technical Community. > > Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive > Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and > submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder > Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from > the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final > version of the document is released here for public comments. The public > consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee > Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at > http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public > comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create > an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to > immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to > say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address > alongside your comment. > > By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all > the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of > the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to > register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in > someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous > comments before making yours. > > This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public > content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the > Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of > trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance > debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final > stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by > all stakeholders. > > END > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- *Carolina Rossini* *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center* Open Technology Institute *New America Foundation* // http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* skype: carolrossini @carolinarossini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The statement can also be accessed on the Knowledge Commons website at www.kcbrasil.org Regards Rishab Bailey (for the Society for Knowledge Commons) **** *Knowledge Commons Statement on the latest iteration of the NetMundial Outcome Document* On 14 April 2014, the High Level Committee (HLC) of NetMundial published the latest version of the draft outcome document at *http://document.netmundial.br/ * This document has numerous changes to the draft document prepared by the Executive Stakeholder Committee, which Knowledge Commons has previously commented on. Having read and analysedall 187 submissions made to the meeting, it is our considered view that the latest draft of the outcome document significantly waters down many of the progressive positions mentioned in the first iteration prepared by the Executive Stakeholder Committee. *First,* The document does not adequately respond to and prohibit mass surveillance – which was one of the issues that prompted the call for this meeting in the first place. The document has dropped reference to “necessary and proportionate” principles and does not prohibit the practices of targeting innocent civilians around the world of which Snowden has made us all aware *Second, *the deletion of references to an international agreement to protect against cyber warfare is a serious concern. As more and more critical infrastructure resources around the world are maintained and operated through digital mechanisms, ensuring the security of these installations from targeted attacks is critical. Such an agreement is the core business of governments. *Third, *the document departs from accepted notions of multistakeholderism as notably enshrined in the Tunis Agenda by recommending that all stakeholders be placed on an equal footing, irrespective of their roles and responsibilities. This turns the concept of representative democracy on its head by permitting those with financial interests to frustrate the will of legitimate and representative organisations. *Fourth, *the document attempts to ensure accountability and transparency of multistakeholder organizations including by putting in place periodic reporting requirements. We continue to believe that there would be greater utility in clearly defining the roles and responsibilities of various stakeholders and specifying the elements of a minimum standard set of guidelines, operating procedures, or the identification of an entity to elaborate these modalities for multistakeholder fora. *Fifth, *the document fails to recognize the need for a separation between policy processes and operational aspects of ICANN. We believe there is a need to ensure structures are put in place that can ensure public policy is framed in a legitimate, representative fashion. It is essential that the role of governments within ICANN be spelt out and re-affirmed. 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Publicly owned too is vague enough .. but do you mean for example standards owned through the ietf rather than ITU? Still rather more clear than just stating "public standards" --srs (iPad) > On 16-Apr-2014, at 21:40, parminder wrote: > > >> On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >> what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing? > > If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and Equitable Internet' (enclosed) > > "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned, freely accessible and implementable. " > > I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further. > > No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much earlier. > > parminder > > >> >> Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) >> >> The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is: >> >> Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation. >> >> (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/) >> >> Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful? >> >> Adam (in my individual capacity) >> >> >> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions? >>> >>> But I would not blame big business Parminder. >>> >>> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective. >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> >>> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: >>>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft...... >>>> >>>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments.. >>>> >>>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it. >>>> >>>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >>>>> Carlos, >>>>> >>>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document... >>>>> >>>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there... >>>>> >>>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places.. >>>>> >>>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed.. >>>>> >>>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... >>>>> >>>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >>>>> >>>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted... >>>>> >>>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through... >>>>> >>>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov... >>>>> >>>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... >>>>> >>>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>>>> >>>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>>>> please re-read. >>>>>> >>>>>> --c.a. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < >>>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> best >>>>>>>> MF >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen >>>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @netrights >>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> anriette esterhuysen >>> anriette at apc.org >>> >>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>> >>> www.apc.org >>> >>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>> south africa >>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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M From: Members [mailto:members-bounces at justnetcoalition.org] On Behalf Of Sally Burch - ALAI Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:39 PM To: cone-elist at net-equality.org; members at justnetcoalition.org Subject: [Members] Fwd: [alai-amlat-en] Internet, power and democracy Friends: the English edition of our publication on Internet, power and democracy is also now online: http://www.alainet.org/publica/494-en.phtml Please feel free to redisseminate. We'll also be posting individual articles from the magazine on the site over the coming days. The following ones are already up: Power and democracy on the Net Sally Burch Information Flow and Power Julian Assange Sally ------------- -- English language information service on Latin America -- Internet, power and democracy "América Latina en Movimiento" No. 494, April 2014 Special English language digital edition The loss of privacy and security of our communications is deeply worrying, but even more dangerous is how power is becoming concentrated in the hands of those who control technology, data and knowledge. A week before the start of the NetMundial meeting on Internet governance principles, convened by Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, the latest edition (No. 494) of ALAI's magazine “América Latina en Movimiento” (now available online in English) examines different aspects of this necessary debate. Power and Democracy on the Net Sally Burch Information Flow and Power Julian Assange The Multistakeholder Model and Neo-liberalism: “Post-democratic” Internet Governance Michael Gurstein Interview with Robert McChesney: How can Internet be De-monopolized? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Apr 16 18:38:02 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:38:02 +1000 Subject: [governance] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document Message-ID: Hi everyone, To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the collection of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ obligations under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the related aspects”. This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! Ian Peter The site for entering responses is http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 20:37:26 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:37:26 -0500 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> <534EAB6D.70901@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Who will do this "strict enforcement of open and public standards"? On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Public versus publicly owned .. Publicly owned too is vague enough .. but do > you mean for example standards owned through the ietf rather than ITU? > Still rather more clear than just stating "public standards" > > --srs (iPad) > > On 16-Apr-2014, at 21:40, parminder wrote: > > > On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > > what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the > word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing? > > > If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer > your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and > Equitable Internet' (enclosed) > > "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and > public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by > anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software > (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed > and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned, > freely accessible and implementable. " > > I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further. > > No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public > standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much > earlier. > > parminder > > > Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked > document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and > usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more > words of their own...) > > The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is: > > Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual > and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open > consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, > decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. > Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and > innovation. > > (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/) > > Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful? > > Adam (in my individual capacity) > > > On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > > Agree with Parminder. > > We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all > comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do > collaborative submissions? > > But I would not blame big business Parminder. > > Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also > problematic from a public-interest perspective. > > Anriette > > > On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: > > And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public > standards' which was in the initial draft...... > > I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that > has been put for public comments.. > > Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard > anyone present it. > > This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... > Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. > > parminder > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: > > Carlos, > > Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; > it is not here in this document... > > And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by > those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net > neutrality is still there... > > Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which > figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both > places.. > > Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been > removed.. > > Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... > > The part on access for disabled has been weakened... > > The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address > emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly > diluted... > > So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure > that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their > free reign on the global Internet could pass through... > > And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big > business or the US gov... > > Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European > Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in > different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were > listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... > > There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of > multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in > the document clearly show. > > BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) > seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global > commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! > > What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To > endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says > multi-stakeholder.... > > parminder > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, > please re-read. > > --c.a. > > On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: > > Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out > for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad > to help Nnenna? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < > m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk > > > wrote: > > Dear all > > +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. > > best > MF > > On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > > Congrats Nnenna! > > Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that > working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, > particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society > - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit > :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and > procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, > because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of > principles that defines what the public interest is in internet > governance that can be used to promote and protect this public > interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this > framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. > > You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only > - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, > and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for > multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to > get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only > issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it > is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that > are not simply cosmetic. > > Anriette > > On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > + 1 > jeanette > > Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: > > Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! > *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM > *To:* Governance > > ; > > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society > major issues > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, > inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack > one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas > into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major > issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen > anriette at apc.org > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > www.apc.org > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > -- > Dr Marianne Franklin > Professor of Global Media and Politics > Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program > Goldsmiths (University of London) > Department of Media & Communications > New Cross, London SE14 6NW > Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 > > > > @GloComm > > https://twitter.com/GloComm > http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ > https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ > > Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) > > www.internetrightsandprinciples.org > > @netrights > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen > anriette at apc.org > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > www.apc.org > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Apr 16 21:35:56 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:05:56 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> <534EAB6D.70901@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <1456d535508.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Another interesting can of worms, that. I do so love high sounding and wishy washy wording that falls apart when you look at it On 17 April 2014 6:08:09 am McTim wrote: > Who will do this "strict enforcement of open and public standards"? > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > > Public versus publicly owned .. Publicly owned too is vague enough .. but do > > you mean for example standards owned through the ietf rather than ITU? > > Still rather more clear than just stating "public standards" > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > On 16-Apr-2014, at 21:40, parminder wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > > > > what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the > > word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing? > > > > > > If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer > > your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and > > Equitable Internet' (enclosed) > > > > "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and > > public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by > > anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software > > (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed > > and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned, > > freely accessible and implementable. " > > > > I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further. > > > > No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public > > standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much > > earlier. > > > > parminder > > > > > > Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked > > document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and > > usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more > > words of their own...) > > > > The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is: > > > > Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual > > and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open > > consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, > > decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. > > Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and > > innovation. > > > > (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/) > > > > Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful? > > > > Adam (in my individual capacity) > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > > > > Agree with Parminder. > > > > We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all > > comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do > > collaborative submissions? > > > > But I would not blame big business Parminder. > > > > Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also > > problematic from a public-interest perspective. > > > > Anriette > > > > > > On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: > > > > And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public > > standards' which was in the initial draft...... > > > > I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that > > has been put for public comments.. > > > > Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard > > anyone present it. > > > > This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... > > Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. > > > > parminder > > > > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: > > > > Carlos, > > > > Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; > > it is not here in this document... > > > > And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by > > those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net > > neutrality is still there... > > > > Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which > > figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both > > places.. > > > > Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been > > removed.. > > > > Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... > > > > The part on access for disabled has been weakened... > > > > The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address > > emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly > > diluted... > > > > So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure > > that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their > > free reign on the global Internet could pass through... > > > > And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big > > business or the US gov... > > > > Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European > > Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in > > different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were > > listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... > > > > There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of > > multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in > > the document clearly show. > > > > BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) > > seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global > > commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! > > > > What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To > > endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says > > multi-stakeholder.... > > > > parminder > > > > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > > > Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, > > please re-read. > > > > --c.a. > > > > On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: > > > > Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out > > for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad > > to help Nnenna? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < > > m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear all > > > > +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. > > > > best > > MF > > > > On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > > > > Congrats Nnenna! > > > > Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that > > working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, > > particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society > > - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit > > :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and > > procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, > > because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of > > principles that defines what the public interest is in internet > > governance that can be used to promote and protect this public > > interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this > > framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. > > > > You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only > > - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, > > and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for > > multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to > > get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only > > issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it > > is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that > > are not simply cosmetic. > > > > Anriette > > > > On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > > > + 1 > > jeanette > > > > Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: > > > > Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! > > *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma > > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM > > *To:* Governance > > > > ; > > > > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > > > *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society > > major issues > > Dear all, > > > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, > > inviting me > > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack > > one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas > > into > > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major > > issues > > will be overlooked. > > > > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > > > All for now > > > > Nnenna > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > . > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > anriette esterhuysen > > anriette at apc.org > > > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > > > www.apc.org > > > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > south africa > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > -- > > Dr Marianne Franklin > > Professor of Global Media and Politics > > Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program > > Goldsmiths (University of London) > > Department of Media & Communications > > New Cross, London SE14 6NW > > Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 > > > > > > > > @GloComm > > > > https://twitter.com/GloComm > > http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ > > https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ > > > > Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) > > > > www.internetrightsandprinciples.org > > > > @netrights > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > . > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > anriette esterhuysen > > anriette at apc.org > > > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > > > www.apc.org > > > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > south africa > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Apr 16 21:59:04 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:29:04 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > Hi everyone, > To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph > dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads > “Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines > trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. > Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the collection > of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and > collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ obligations > under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on this > topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human > Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the > related aspects”. > This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not > surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into > the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I > suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' was there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the chances then it will be reinstated at your request? parminder > I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps > what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments would > be embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the > response here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of > concern to ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting > rather than simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! > Ian Peter > The site for entering responses is > http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Important to > handle privacy and data protection, but must strike a balance when fighting > cybercrime." > > Need a global set of rules and accord, need a system of cyber justice and > accountability at all levels. > > We know for a fact that nations actively engaged on cyberwar and use non > state actors, out of country resources > > Freedom and lawlessness are two sides of the same coin, sense of > responsibility in freedom makes it its own enemy in the absence of > accountability > > Voices of the voiceless to be heard. The world / Internet should not > ultimately self destruct, for is to decide how to take the world forward > and ensure we don't destroy ourselves. If we lose the opportunity the > world will be a much worse place. > > Brilliant speech, this. > > --srs (iPad) > > On 11-Dec-2013, at 10:10, Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > > Talks of multistakeholder representation, the stake of governments in an > "equinet" where all stakeholders have an equitable stake. Governments have > and should claim a legitimate stake in the Internet and should not exclude > from participation but should engage with all stakeholders > > The strategic imperatives of critical infra connected to the Internet > > The risks of Balkanization > > Complex issue that the global community has yet to grasp, everybody > interested in their own space and turf so these are likely to go the way of > climate change talks, we need to consolidate and optimize this space, > integrate with the global community .. Without that global espionage, > cybercrime etc will increase. > > No nation can fight cybercrime on its own, need global cooperation and > exchange of data. There is still yet a lack of cooperation between certs > (???) > > The need to build capacity on the Internet in India and build a pool of > trained technologists > > India now an authorizing member of common criteria recognition .. Will set > up labs of intl standard to test IT gear in India .. This is not > protectionism, want to drive investment, manufacturing and testing labs in > India. > > http://24framesdigital.com/dsci/webcast/aiss2013/ live webcast > > --srs (iPad) > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Carolina Rossini* *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center* Open Technology Institute *New America Foundation* // http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* skype: carolrossini @carolinarossini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Apr 16 22:19:18 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:49:18 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <69FF6247-8681-4343-A922-5ED3458CD40E@glocom.ac.jp> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534D3226.3030703@itforchange.net> <69FF6247-8681-4343-A922-5ED3458CD40E@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <534F3A26.2010507@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 16 April 2014 12:47 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > snip >> And it is not just these two governments. President Rousseff in her famed UN speech has directly linked the privacy issue to democracy... To quote >> >> "In the absence of the right to privacy, there can be no true freedom of expression and opinion, and therefore no effective democracy. " >> > looks to me you have picked up something very important in that quote. How about making a comment on paragraph 2, or perhaps add a preamble to paragraph 14 of principles, or paragraph 4 of roadmap? Adam When the EMC or whoever did not find it fit to include the term 'democratic' even after specific and repeated recommendation of more than one government HLC member, do you really think I should bother recommending that (although you know we did send a document to you all before your last EMC meeting where you finalised this draft where we requested you to include 'democratic') ? This apart from the fact that there is a whole contribution by IT for Change to the open process on the issue which you were supposed to have read and prepared you draft having taken it into account. Please see the contribution "Is certain kind of multistakeholderism a post-democratic ideology? - Need to save NetMundial outcome documents from crossing some sacred democratic lines ". You will perhaps appreciate our crystal-gazing skills. Why is the NetMundial behaving exactly as per our worst fears? The answer; it is, was always, structural to how this event was systematically captured by status-quo-ist, and its Brazilian leadership, which is where most people initially posed their trust, has been long displaced. Maybe, you can explain the compulsions of not putting 'democratic' in the description of Internet governance mechanisms, when multistakeholder is mentioned about 500 times.... And please dont behave as if it simply did not occur to you/EMC, which while being surprising on its own, is unsustainable as per the above. BTW, for the sake of transparency, can we please be informed who prepared the final draft - the EMC or the meeting board (with its civil society co-chair who is really not civil society ) parminder > > Thanks, > > Adam (in my individual capacity) > > >> But strangely, Brazilians seem to have handed over this meeting to the staus quoists... and democracy is simply not a favoured word with them.. >> >> Welcome to the brave new post-democratic world... the NetMundial doc as it stands is positioned to become a key milestone, even a trail blazer, towards a post-democratic global governance, from where it will trickle down to national levels. The neoliberal ideology is making really big strides and rapid gains.... >> >> parminder >> >> >> >>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>> >>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>> please re-read. >>>> >>>> --c.a. >>>> >>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < >>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>>> MF >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen >>>>>>> anriette at apc.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>> >>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>> >>>>>> @netrights >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> >>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Apr 16 22:25:22 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:25:22 +1000 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of that). What I would like to see is sufficient comments and some suggestions that might provoke a discussion during the meeting rather than the words quietly being accepted. I suggested elsewhere perhaps we could call for an immediate cessation of all surveillance that did not accord with human rights provisions and privacy norms. I would just like to see which governments put up their hand to oppose an inclusion along those lines. Ian Peter From: parminder Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59 AM To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: Hi everyone, To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the collection of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ obligations under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the related aspects”. This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' was there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the chances then it will be reinstated at your request? parminder I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! Ian Peter The site for entering responses is http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Apr 16 22:40:55 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:10:55 +0530 Subject: [governance] Minister Sibal on igov during the DSCI keynote in New Delhi In-Reply-To: References: <54141846-29AB-41F5-9AD5-AC303FBCCB16@hserus.net> <54A9086B-ECFA-47E5-A82E-2E815B93CB93@hserus.net> <4FC0E8F0-5A31-41C4-A517-B16B9E943755@hserus.net> <0E107623-3912-4DCF-882D-48F8FDFC3BDC@hserus.net> Message-ID: <1456d8ed768.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> The indian government has a rather split personality attitude depending on which of its agencies represents it in an igov conference On 17 April 2014 7:46:31 am Carolina Rossini wrote: > http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/india-to-suggest-renaming-of-internet-as-equinet/article5916888.ece > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > > > Later in the day, parminder and an ICANN vp on a panel together, > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > On 11-Dec-2013, at 10:22, Suresh Ramasubramanian > > wrote: > > > > This speech does seem to go completely contrary to the MHA / security note > > pushing multilateralism, and does seem to ignore the long dead CIRP, may > > its zombie never rise again > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > On 11-Dec-2013, at 10:19, Suresh Ramasubramanian > > wrote: > > > > "We cannot function on the Internet under a cloak of secrecy. Important to > > handle privacy and data protection, but must strike a balance when fighting > > cybercrime." > > > > Need a global set of rules and accord, need a system of cyber justice and > > accountability at all levels. > > > > We know for a fact that nations actively engaged on cyberwar and use non > > state actors, out of country resources > > > > Freedom and lawlessness are two sides of the same coin, sense of > > responsibility in freedom makes it its own enemy in the absence of > > accountability > > > > Voices of the voiceless to be heard. The world / Internet should not > > ultimately self destruct, for is to decide how to take the world forward > > and ensure we don't destroy ourselves. If we lose the opportunity the > > world will be a much worse place. > > > > Brilliant speech, this. > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > On 11-Dec-2013, at 10:10, Suresh Ramasubramanian > > wrote: > > > > Talks of multistakeholder representation, the stake of governments in an > > "equinet" where all stakeholders have an equitable stake. Governments have > > and should claim a legitimate stake in the Internet and should not exclude > > from participation but should engage with all stakeholders > > > > The strategic imperatives of critical infra connected to the Internet > > > > The risks of Balkanization > > > > Complex issue that the global community has yet to grasp, everybody > > interested in their own space and turf so these are likely to go the way of > > climate change talks, we need to consolidate and optimize this space, > > integrate with the global community .. Without that global espionage, > > cybercrime etc will increase. > > > > No nation can fight cybercrime on its own, need global cooperation and > > exchange of data. There is still yet a lack of cooperation between certs > > (???) > > > > The need to build capacity on the Internet in India and build a pool of > > trained technologists > > > > India now an authorizing member of common criteria recognition .. Will set > > up labs of intl standard to test IT gear in India .. This is not > > protectionism, want to drive investment, manufacturing and testing labs in > > India. > > > > http://24framesdigital.com/dsci/webcast/aiss2013/ live webcast > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > -- > *Carolina Rossini* > *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center* > Open Technology Institute > *New America Foundation* > // > http://carolinarossini.net/ > + 1 6176979389 > *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* > skype: carolrossini > @carolinarossini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Apr 16 22:49:18 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:19:18 +0530 Subject: [governance] Minister Sibal on igov during the DSCI keynote in New Delhi In-Reply-To: <1456d8ed768.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> References: <54141846-29AB-41F5-9AD5-AC303FBCCB16@hserus.net> <54A9086B-ECFA-47E5-A82E-2E815B93CB93@hserus.net> <4FC0E8F0-5A31-41C4-A517-B16B9E943755@hserus.net> <0E107623-3912-4DCF-882D-48F8FDFC3BDC@hserus.net> <1456d8ed768.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Message-ID: <1456d968828.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> This is a comment on the rest of the article which reiterates the other side of their split personality. Note the wording about multilateral and focus on cybersecurity cooperation above and beyond the existing setup (in other words for cases where the information sought is about an account whose actions would be protected under the first amendment but not under indian laws governing free speech) This isn't going to go too well despite the reuse of the term that I heard minister Sibal use in a rather different context. On 17 April 2014 8:10:55 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > The indian government has a rather split personality attitude depending on > which of its agencies represents it in an igov conference > > On 17 April 2014 7:46:31 am Carolina Rossini > wrote: > > > > http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/india-to-suggest-renaming-of-internet-as-equinet/article5916888.ece > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian > > wrote: > > > > > Later in the day, parminder and an ICANN vp on a panel together, > > > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > > > On 11-Dec-2013, at 10:22, Suresh Ramasubramanian > > > wrote: > > > > > > This speech does seem to go completely contrary to the MHA / security note > > > pushing multilateralism, and does seem to ignore the long dead CIRP, may > > > its zombie never rise again > > > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > > > On 11-Dec-2013, at 10:19, Suresh Ramasubramanian > > > wrote: > > > > > > "We cannot function on the Internet under a cloak of secrecy. Important to > > > handle privacy and data protection, but must strike a balance when fighting > > > cybercrime." > > > > > > Need a global set of rules and accord, need a system of cyber justice and > > > accountability at all levels. > > > > > > We know for a fact that nations actively engaged on cyberwar and use non > > > state actors, out of country resources > > > > > > Freedom and lawlessness are two sides of the same coin, sense of > > > responsibility in freedom makes it its own enemy in the absence of > > > accountability > > > > > > Voices of the voiceless to be heard. The world / Internet should not > > > ultimately self destruct, for is to decide how to take the world forward > > > and ensure we don't destroy ourselves. If we lose the opportunity the > > > world will be a much worse place. > > > > > > Brilliant speech, this. > > > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > > > On 11-Dec-2013, at 10:10, Suresh Ramasubramanian > > > wrote: > > > > > > Talks of multistakeholder representation, the stake of governments in an > > > "equinet" where all stakeholders have an equitable stake. Governments have > > > and should claim a legitimate stake in the Internet and should not exclude > > > from participation but should engage with all stakeholders > > > > > > The strategic imperatives of critical infra connected to the Internet > > > > > > The risks of Balkanization > > > > > > Complex issue that the global community has yet to grasp, everybody > > > interested in their own space and turf so these are likely to go the way of > > > climate change talks, we need to consolidate and optimize this space, > > > integrate with the global community .. Without that global espionage, > > > cybercrime etc will increase. > > > > > > No nation can fight cybercrime on its own, need global cooperation and > > > exchange of data. There is still yet a lack of cooperation between certs > > > (???) > > > > > > The need to build capacity on the Internet in India and build a pool of > > > trained technologists > > > > > > India now an authorizing member of common criteria recognition .. Will set > > > up labs of intl standard to test IT gear in India .. This is not > > > protectionism, want to drive investment, manufacturing and testing labs in > > > India. > > > > > > http://24framesdigital.com/dsci/webcast/aiss2013/ live webcast > > > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Carolina Rossini* > > *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center* > > Open Technology Institute > > *New America Foundation* > > // > > http://carolinarossini.net/ > > + 1 6176979389 > > *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* > > skype: carolrossini > > @carolinarossini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca Wed Apr 16 22:54:19 2014 From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:54:19 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> Message-ID: <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing out the recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working party. Perhaps it would be useful to cite it. Opinion 04/2014 on "Surveillance of electronic communications for intelligence and national security purposes(336 kB) " - WP 215 http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/index_en.htm#h2-1 Stephanie Perrin On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of that). What I would like to see is sufficient comments and some suggestions that might provoke a discussion during the meeting rather than the words quietly being accepted. I suggested elsewhere perhaps we could call for an immediate cessation of all surveillance that did not accord with human rights provisions and privacy norms. I would just like to see which governments put up their hand to oppose an inclusion along those lines. > > Ian Peter > > From: parminder > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59 AM > To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document > > > On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the collection of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ obligations under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the related aspects”. >> >> This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. > > > You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' was there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the chances then it will be reinstated at your request? > > parminder > >> >> I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! >> >> >> Ian Peter >> >> The site for entering responses is http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Apr 17 03:23:24 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:23:24 +0900 Subject: [governance] Society for Knowledge Commons statement on High Level Committee iteration of the NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <318531F5-027C-4DEF-936E-E03C30B8A7F6@glocom.ac.jp> Hi Rishab, Could you comment on the online documents Best, Adam On Apr 17, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Rishab Bailey wrote: > Hi All, > > Please find appended below a statement from Knowledge Commons on the High Level Committee iteration of the NetMundial Outcome Document. The statement can also be accessed on the Knowledge Commons website at www.kcbrasil.org > > Regards > Rishab Bailey > (for the Society for Knowledge Commons) > > **** > Knowledge Commons Statement on the latest iteration of the NetMundial Outcome Document > > > > On 14 April 2014, the High Level Committee (HLC) of NetMundial published the latest version of the draft outcome document at http://document.netmundial.br/ > > > > This document has numerous changes to the draft document prepared by the Executive Stakeholder Committee, which Knowledge Commons has previously commented on. > > > > Having read and analysed all 187 submissions made to the meeting, it is our considered view that the latest draft of the outcome document significantly waters down many of the progressive positions mentioned in the first iteration prepared by the Executive Stakeholder Committee. > > > > First, The document does not adequately respond to and prohibit mass surveillance – which was one of the issues that prompted the call for this meeting in the first place. The document has dropped reference to “necessary and proportionate” principles and does not prohibit the practices of targeting innocent civilians around the world of which Snowden has made us all aware > > > Second, the deletion of references to an international agreement to protect against cyber warfare is a serious concern. As more and more critical infrastructure resources around the world are maintained and operated through digital mechanisms, ensuring the security of these installations from targeted attacks is critical. Such an agreement is the core business of governments. > > > > Third, the document departs from accepted notions of multistakeholderism as notably enshrined in the Tunis Agenda by recommending that all stakeholders be placed on an equal footing, irrespective of their roles and responsibilities. This turns the concept of representative democracy on its head by permitting those with financial interests to frustrate the will of legitimate and representative organisations. > > > Fourth, the document attempts to ensure accountability and transparency of multistakeholder organizations including by putting in place periodic reporting requirements. We continue to believe that there would be greater utility in clearly defining the roles and responsibilities of various stakeholders and specifying the elements of a minimum standard set of guidelines, operating procedures, or the identification of an entity to elaborate these modalities for multistakeholder fora. > > > > Fifth, the document fails to recognize the need for a separation between policy processes and operational aspects of ICANN. We believe there is a need to ensure structures are put in place that can ensure public policy is framed in a legitimate, representative fashion. It is essential that the role of governments within ICANN be spelt out and re-affirmed. > > > By watering down the language on transition on IANA functions and the restructured role of ICANN, we believe that the High Level Committee has missed an opportunity to ensure global pressure on the USA to relinquish control over a resource that is a global commons. > > > > **** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 17 04:13:33 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:43:33 +0530 Subject: [governance] NetMundial outcomes - public draft Message-ID: <534F8D2D.7070709@itforchange.net> I have mentioned in different postings how I see the now public NetMundial outcome draft being even worse than the earlier leaked one, on which we had submitted critical comments as enclosed. But I thought I should put all those point together, for clarity. In short, they are as follows: 1. 'Net neutrality' which was mentioned just as 'neutrality' in the previous draft disappeared completely 2. Mention of 'free flow of information' in two places in the original draft disappeared 3. 'Public' in 'open and public standards' no more there 4. Text on access for disabled weakened 5. Demand for international agreements for restraining cyber weapons is out 5. Mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle in relation to surveillance practices is no more there 6. The recognition in the earlier draft of need for mechanisms for emerging and issues not being currently addressed is considerably weakened 7. Multiple references to a 'equal footing' (never clarified, and thus being introduced through a backdoor) multistakeholder model, even for public policy making, further strengthened while demands by some HLC members, and other civil society groups, to include 'democratic' in representing global IG mechanisms rejected. This is from a quick reading. So what was a rather poor outcome draft to start with is now considerably worse. I think the public draft should be discussed in the spirit of deliberative democracy. It is not enough to individualise and 'privatise' comments and inputting through a web platform. I am yet to hear a positive assessment of the public draft, but I am sure it must exist in some people's minds. Pl do share. Thanks, parminder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: JustNet initial response.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 68034 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at Thu Apr 17 04:57:34 2014 From: wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at (Benedek, Wolfgang (wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at)) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:57:34 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: Council of Europe Guide on Human Rights of Internet Users adopted Message-ID: Dear all, glad to inform that the Council of Europe Guide on Human Rights of Internet Users has been adopted this week by the Committee of Ministers and is now generally available. It should be disseminated as widely as possible and may well be of relevance beyond Europe. You can find it under this link: https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?id=2184807&Site=CM&BackColorInternet=C3C3C3&BackColorIntranet=EDB021&BackColorLogged=F5D383 Kind regards Wolfgang Benedek Univ.-Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Benedek Institute for International Law and International Relations University of Graz, Austria Von: parminder > Antworten an: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" >, parminder > Datum: Donnerstag, 17. April 2014 10:13 An: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" >, "<,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>," >, 1Net List > Betreff: [governance] NetMundial outcomes - public draft I have mentioned in different postings how I see the now public NetMundial outcome draft being even worse than the earlier leaked one, on which we had submitted critical comments as enclosed. But I thought I should put all those point together, for clarity. In short, they are as follows: 1. 'Net neutrality' which was mentioned just as 'neutrality' in the previous draft disappeared completely 2. Mention of 'free flow of information' in two places in the original draft disappeared 3. 'Public' in 'open and public standards' no more there 4. Text on access for disabled weakened 5. Demand for international agreements for restraining cyber weapons is out 5. Mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle in relation to surveillance practices is no more there 6. The recognition in the earlier draft of need for mechanisms for emerging and issues not being currently addressed is considerably weakened 7. Multiple references to a 'equal footing' (never clarified, and thus being introduced through a backdoor) multistakeholder model, even for public policy making, further strengthened while demands by some HLC members, and other civil society groups, to include 'democratic' in representing global IG mechanisms rejected. This is from a quick reading. So what was a rather poor outcome draft to start with is now considerably worse. I think the public draft should be discussed in the spirit of deliberative democracy. It is not enough to individualise and 'privatise' comments and inputting through a web platform. I am yet to hear a positive assessment of the public draft, but I am sure it must exist in some people's minds. Pl do share. Thanks, parminder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 17 04:59:34 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:29:34 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <534F97F6.80403@itforchange.net> On Thursday 17 April 2014 08:24 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing out the > recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working party. Perhaps it > would be useful to cite it. > Opinion 04/2014 on "Surveillance of electronic communications for > intelligence and national security purposes(336 kB) > > Choose translations of the previous link" - WP 215 The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and "development of a global instrument providing for enforceable, high level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon by the International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners in their Madrid Declaration" That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous statements of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact are not innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public policy decision making model which will simply make such kinds of agreements impossible... parminder > > http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/index_en.htm#h2-1 > > Stephanie Perrin > On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of that). What I would like >> to see is sufficient comments and some suggestions that might provoke >> a discussion during the meeting rather than the words quietly being >> accepted. I suggested elsewhere perhaps we could call for an >> immediate cessation of all surveillance that did not accord with >> human rights provisions and privacy norms. I would just like to see >> which governments put up their hand to oppose an inclusion along >> those lines. >> Ian Peter >> *From:* parminder >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59 AM >> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document >> On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph >>> dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which >>> reads “Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance >>> undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet >>> governance ecosystem. Surveillance of communications, their >>> interception, and the collection of personal data, including mass >>> surveillance, interception and collection should be conducted in >>> accordance with states’ obligations under international human rights >>> law. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the international >>> level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to >>> develop a common understanding on all the related aspects”. >>> This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not >>> surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) >>> into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where >>> I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. >> >> >> You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' >> was there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the >> chances then it will be reinstated at your request? >> >> parminder >> >>> I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. >>> Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps >>> governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would >>> strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and >>> indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on >>> the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an adequate >>> wording would be useful! >>> Ian Peter >>> The site for entering responses is >>> http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Thu Apr 17 05:22:01 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (=?UTF-8?B?TG9yZW5hIEphdW1lLVBhbGFzw60=?=) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:22:01 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <534F97F6.80403@itforchange.net> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> <534F97F6.80403@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <534F9D39.4080906@collaboratory.de> Am 17.04.2014 10:59, schrieb parminder: > > On Thursday 17 April 2014 08:24 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >> I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing out the >> recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working party. Perhaps >> it would be useful to cite it. >> Opinion 04/2014 on "Surveillance of electronic communications for >> intelligence and national security purposes(336 kB) >> >> Choose translations of the previous link" - WP 215 > > > The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing > adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and > "development of a global instrument providing for enforceable, high > level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon by the > International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners > in their Madrid Declaration" > Well not exactly, since the mass surveillance problem is not addressed in data protection. Laws like FISAA and other laws regulating secret services are not part of the data protection corpora. So it is the laws regulating national security, which are always explicitly excluded in data protection. Why not introducing on the first place the notion of "legitimate aim" on surveillance as HRW & EFF are trying to do? (http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/HRW%20submission%20on%20privacy%20US%20CCPR%20review%20final.pdf) And on the second place, why not being bold and trying to encourage the creation of minimal international standards on cyber-espionage? Kind regards Lorena > That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous statements of > the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact are not innocent > because they seek a multistakeholder public policy decision making > model which will simply make such kinds of agreements impossible... > > parminder > >> >> http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/index_en.htm#h2-1 >> >> Stephanie Perrin >> On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >> >>> I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of that). What I would >>> like to see is sufficient comments and some suggestions that might >>> provoke a discussion during the meeting rather than the words >>> quietly being accepted. I suggested elsewhere perhaps we could call >>> for an immediate cessation of all surveillance that did not accord >>> with human rights provisions and privacy norms. I would just like to >>> see which governments put up their hand to oppose an inclusion along >>> those lines. >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> *From:* parminder >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59 AM >>> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document >>> >>> >>> On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph >>>> dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which >>>> reads “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance >>>> undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet >>>> governance ecosystem. Surveillance of communications, their >>>> interception, and the collection of personal data, including mass >>>> surveillance, interception and collection should be conducted in >>>> accordance with states’ obligations under international human >>>> rights law. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the >>>> international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights >>>> Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the related >>>> aspects”. >>>> >>>> This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not >>>> surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) >>>> into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, >>>> where I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org >>>> principles. >>> >>> >>> You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' >>> was there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the >>> chances then it will be reinstated at your request? >>> >>> parminder >>> >>>> >>>> I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. >>>> Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps >>>> governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would >>>> strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and >>>> indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on >>>> the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an >>>> adequate wording would be useful! >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> The site for entering responses is >>>> http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Apr 17 05:34:22 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 18:34:22 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] QUESTION TO ADAM - NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78AEE754-8756-472A-9A06-58A78DF4A248@glocom.ac.jp> Hi Carolina, On Apr 17, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Carolina Rossini wrote: > Adam, > > Will the organizers consolidate the comments into a new document?! No, my understanding is the secretariat will produce a compilation of comments received. This is the hope, and I hope there'll be time. > If no.... Comments close on April 21, the meeting starts on April 23. 1 day might be enough to produce a compilation. Given the time available, attempting to produced a new consolidated document might be unwise. > why should we be commenting on it? (this second is just a rhetoric question to understand the process) > > I don't really understand your question. But perhaps following helps -- this just my personal opinion, not EMC etc. Anyone can make comments online. All comments are visible to everyone and allow all participants (including remote) to see where changes are being suggested, what direction has some agreement and what less so. We can comment on other's comments, agree/disagree etc. We can rate each paragraph (not sure if that will be a useful tool?) All this should guide discussion during the meeting. I hope by the morning of April 23, Sao Paulo, all of us will have made the comments we want to make (and please do it sooner not later: the intention is to share and inform each other), will have seen what our colleagues have to say, and have a general sense of what parts of the documents are supported, less supported, which are polarizing, perhaps even where we can see need/opportunity for further work (after NETmundial, not extending NETmundial). Carolina, does this sound reasonable? BTW, if you print the page to PDF all comments made at the time will be included on the resulting file. Adam > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > Please see Use the Navigate button. > > Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > Adam > > > > WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE > > After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and Technical Community. > > Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final version of the document is released here for public comments. The public consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address alongside your comment. > > By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous comments before making yours. > > This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by all stakeholders. > > END > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > Carolina Rossini > Project Director, Latin America Resource Center > Open Technology Institute > New America Foundation > // > http://carolinarossini.net/ > + 1 6176979389 > *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* > skype: carolrossini > @carolinarossini > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 17 05:35:39 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:05:39 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <534F9D39.4080906@collaboratory.de> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> <534F97F6.80403@itforchange.net> <534F9D39.4080906@collaboratory.de> Message-ID: <534FA06B.30402@itforchange.net> On Thursday 17 April 2014 02:52 PM, Lorena Jaume-Palasí wrote: > > Am 17.04.2014 10:59, schrieb parminder: >> >> On Thursday 17 April 2014 08:24 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >>> I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing out the >>> recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working party. Perhaps >>> it would be useful to cite it. >>> Opinion 04/2014 on "Surveillance of electronic communications for >>> intelligence and national security purposes(336 kB) >>> >>> Choose translations of the previous link" - WP 215 >> >> >> The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing >> adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and >> "development of a global instrument providing for enforceable, high >> level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon by the >> International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners >> in their Madrid Declaration" >> > Well not exactly, since the mass surveillance problem is not addressed > in data protection. Laws like FISAA and other laws regulating secret > services are not part of the data protection corpora. So it is the > laws regulating national security, which are always explicitly > excluded in data protection. > Why not introducing on the first place the notion of "legitimate aim" > on surveillance as HRW & EFF are trying to do? > (http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/HRW%20submission%20on%20privacy%20US%20CCPR%20review%20final.pdf) > And on the second place, why not being bold and trying to encourage > the creation of minimal international standards on cyber-espionage? Yes, Lorena You are only further stressing the point I am making - which was basically not to agree to and stop at what the EU working party is doing but direct our efforts towards real serious work of developing international principles and standards, and enforceable agreements, and not the trite stuff, that the Brazil meeting, after so much promise that President Rousseff generated, seems to be now headed towards.. parminder > Kind regards > Lorena >> That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous statements >> of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact are not >> innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public policy decision >> making model which will simply make such kinds of agreements >> impossible... >> >> parminder >> >>> >>> http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/index_en.htm#h2-1 >>> >>> Stephanie Perrin >>> On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >>> >>>> I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of that). What I would >>>> like to see is sufficient comments and some suggestions that might >>>> provoke a discussion during the meeting rather than the words >>>> quietly being accepted. I suggested elsewhere perhaps we could call >>>> for an immediate cessation of all surveillance that did not accord >>>> with human rights provisions and privacy norms. I would just like >>>> to see which governments put up their hand to oppose an inclusion >>>> along those lines. >>>> Ian Peter >>>> *From:* parminder >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59 AM >>>> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>> ; >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document >>>> On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph >>>>> dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which >>>>> reads “Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance >>>>> undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet >>>>> governance ecosystem. Surveillance of communications, their >>>>> interception, and the collection of personal data, including mass >>>>> surveillance, interception and collection should be conducted in >>>>> accordance with states’ obligations under international human >>>>> rights law. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the >>>>> international level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights >>>>> Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the >>>>> related aspects”. >>>>> This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not >>>>> surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) >>>>> into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, >>>>> where I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org >>>>> principles. >>>> >>>> >>>> You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' >>>> was there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the >>>> chances then it will be reinstated at your request? >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>>> I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. >>>>> Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps >>>>> governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would >>>>> strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and >>>>> indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on >>>>> the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an >>>>> adequate wording would be useful! >>>>> Ian Peter >>>>> The site for entering responses is >>>>> http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sanzhiet at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 05:58:54 2014 From: sanzhiet at gmail.com (Thierry Sanzhie Bokally) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:58:54 +0000 Subject: [governance] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonjour Nnenna, mes félicitations et nous comptons tous sur toi pour porter haut la voix la société civile. J'ai une suggestion. Pouvez-vous utiliser un pad quand il faut élaborer un document partagé. Un exemple de pad (et il est gratuit) http://framapad.org/ Ça nous aidera à suivre et pourquoi contribuer en fonction des enjeux auxquels nous sommes confrontés et qui peuvent être utiles au débat ou aux discussions. Bien cordialement 2014-04-15 6:35 GMT+00:00 Nnenna Nwakanma : > Dear all, > > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, inviting me > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack one > of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. > > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". > > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas into > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major issues > will be overlooked. > > > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a > draft/keypoints will be Monday. > > Hope we can pull this off well. > > All for now > > Nnenna > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Thierry IT Specialist & KM + 221 77 565 64 11 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Thu Apr 17 06:03:23 2014 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:03:23 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> <534F97F6.80403@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8016421C6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Parminder: The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and "development of a global instrument providing for enforceable, high level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon by the International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners in their Madrid Declaration"That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous statements of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact are not innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public policy decision making model which will simply make such kinds of agreements impossible... Wolfgang: You are confusing things. The Multistakeholder Model does not exclude intergovernmental treaties. The problem today is that those (old and new) intergovernmental treaties are embedded into this new multistakeholder environment and governments have to take more into account than their own interests if they agree on legally binding mutual rights and duties. The world today is bigger and much more differentiated than "black vs. white". Simplification is very often misleading and triggers conflicts instead enhanced commmunication, coordination and collaboration. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Apr 17 06:22:29 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 19:22:29 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <534EAB6D.70901@itforchange.net> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534E56AE.3020800@itforchange.net> <534EA0F2.3080500@apc.org> <534EAB6D.70901@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <083AE0E8-19A8-4014-8B57-DCAA68673F1D@glocom.ac.jp> On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:10 AM, parminder wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >> what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing? > > If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... Really :-) > But to answer your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and Equitable Internet' (enclosed) > > "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned, freely accessible and implementable. " > > I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further. > Are FOSS standards public? I am not an expert, but I thought they were licensed and those licenses often had conditions. This is not public in the way I understand you are using the word. And apologies if I misunderstand. IETF asserts ownership of their intellectual property in their standards -- i.e. to my mind not "public", they are owned. However, they are open in that anyone can use them (use, and other characteristics of "open" that the paragraph refers to). So I am trying to understand what you mean by "publicly owned". As I said, I am not expert, but I felt that "public" in "based on open public standards" was either superfluous (i.e. open is the key and conveyed what was essential) or caused confusion. If I am wrong, then please make a comment on the document to say that public should be added and give the reason. Elaboration not really necessary, everyone will read your comment on the document. Adam > No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much earlier. > > parminder > > >> >> Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...) >> >> The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is: >> >> Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation. >> >> (25, in >> http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/ >> ) >> >> Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful? >> >> Adam (in my individual capacity) >> >> >> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >> >> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions? >>> >>> But I would not blame big business Parminder. >>> >>> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective. >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> >>> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote: >>> >>>> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft...... >>>> >>>> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments.. >>>> >>>> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it. >>>> >>>> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document. >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote: >>>> >>>>> Carlos, >>>>> >>>>> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document... >>>>> >>>>> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there... >>>>> >>>>> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places.. >>>>> >>>>> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed.. >>>>> >>>>> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed... >>>>> >>>>> The part on access for disabled has been weakened... >>>>> >>>>> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted... >>>>> >>>>> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through... >>>>> >>>>> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov... >>>>> >>>>> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted... >>>>> >>>>> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>>>> >>>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>>>> please re-read. >>>>>> >>>>>> --c.a. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < >>>>>>> >>>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> best >>>>>>>> MF >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @netrights >>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> anriette esterhuysen >>> >>> anriette at apc.org >>> >>> >>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>> >>> >>> www.apc.org >>> >>> >>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>> south africa >>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> . >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Apr 17 06:28:41 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 19:28:41 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues In-Reply-To: <534F3A26.2010507@itforchange.net> References: <28D7250BBB2E4798BC6C1B7A93337D53@Toshiba> <534CDE5B.2010906@wzb.eu> <534CE344.2050200@apc.org> <534CFFD8.1090100@gold.ac.uk> <7CE12A31-A7B2-4BA9-A1C0-25FD6E6A7F03@gmail.com> <534D1CB0.4030301@cafonso.ca> <534D2C08.7050207@itforchange.net> <534D3226.3030703@itforchange.net> <69FF6247-8681-4343-A922-5ED3458CD40E@glocom.ac.jp> <534F3A26.2010507@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <7DF6F45E-4065-4536-8EAB-599C8E8A295D@glocom.ac.jp> On Apr 17, 2014, at 11:19 AM, parminder wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 April 2014 12:47 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >> snip >>> And it is not just these two governments. President Rousseff in her famed UN speech has directly linked the privacy issue to democracy... To quote >>> >>> "In the absence of the right to privacy, there can be no true freedom of expression and opinion, and therefore no effective democracy. " >>> >>> >> looks to me you have picked up something very important in that quote. How about making a comment on paragraph 2, or perhaps add a preamble to paragraph 14 of principles, or paragraph 4 of roadmap? > > Adam > > When the EMC or whoever did not find it fit to include the term 'democratic' even after specific and repeated recommendation of more than one government HLC member, do you really think I should bother recommending that Yes I do. And I wouldn't waste my time writing if I didn't. Adam > (although you know we did send a document to you all before your last EMC meeting where you finalised this draft where we requested you to include 'democratic') ? This apart from the fact that there is a whole contribution by IT for Change to the open process on the issue which you were supposed to have read and prepared you draft having taken it into account. Please see the contribution "Is certain kind of multistakeholderism a post-democratic ideology? - Need to save NetMundial outcome documents from crossing some sacred democratic lines ". > > You will perhaps appreciate our crystal-gazing skills. Why is the NetMundial behaving exactly as per our worst fears? The answer; it is, was always, structural to how this event was systematically captured by status-quo-ist, and its Brazilian leadership, which is where most people initially posed their trust, has been long displaced. > > Maybe, you can explain the compulsions of not putting 'democratic' in the description of Internet governance mechanisms, when multistakeholder is mentioned about 500 times.... And please dont behave as if it simply did not occur to you/EMC, which while being surprising on its own, is unsustainable as per the above. > > BTW, for the sake of transparency, can we please be informed who prepared the final draft - the EMC or the meeting board (with its civil society co-chair who is really not civil society) > > > parminder > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Adam (in my individual capacity) >> >> >> >>> But strangely, Brazilians seem to have handed over this meeting to the staus quoists... and democracy is simply not a favoured word with them.. >>> >>> Welcome to the brave new post-democratic world... the NetMundial doc as it stands is positioned to become a key milestone, even a trail blazer, towards a post-democratic global governance, from where it will trickle down to national levels. The neoliberal ideology is making really big strides and rapid gains.... >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about! >>>> >>>> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder.... >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>>> >>>>> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail, >>>>> please re-read. >>>>> >>>>> --c.a. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out >>>>>> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad >>>>>> to help Nnenna? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin < >>>>>> >>>>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best >>>>>>> MF >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Congrats Nnenna! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that >>>>>>>> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups, >>>>>>>> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society >>>>>>>> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit >>>>>>>> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and >>>>>>>> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle, >>>>>>>> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of >>>>>>>> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet >>>>>>>> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public >>>>>>>> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this >>>>>>>> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only >>>>>>>> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust, >>>>>>>> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for >>>>>>>> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to >>>>>>>> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only >>>>>>>> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it >>>>>>>> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that >>>>>>>> are not simply cosmetic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anriette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> + 1 >>>>>>>>> jeanette >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice! >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* Governance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society >>>>>>>>>> major issues >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo, >>>>>>>>>> inviting me >>>>>>>>>> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack >>>>>>>>>> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society >>>>>>>>>> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major >>>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>>> will be overlooked. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a >>>>>>>>>> draft/keypoints will be Monday. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope we can pull this off well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All for now >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nnenna >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> anriette esterhuysen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anriette at apc.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.apc.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>>>>>>> south africa >>>>>>>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr Marianne Franklin >>>>>>> Professor of Global Media and Politics >>>>>>> Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program >>>>>>> Goldsmiths (University of London) >>>>>>> Department of Media & Communications >>>>>>> New Cross, London SE14 6NW >>>>>>> Tel: +44 20 7919 7072 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @GloComm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/GloComm >>>>>>> http://www.gold.ac.uk/media-communications/staff/franklin/ >>>>>>> https://www.gold.ac.uk/pg/ma-global-media-transnational-communications/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.internetrightsandprinciples.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @netrights >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> . >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Thu Apr 17 06:48:39 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:48:39 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [discuss] [Marcocivil] RES: NetMundial Draft Outcome document Online for comments at the platform In-Reply-To: <381CDAA0-DDCB-4833-9FD9-5AB1CA85FCEA@cisco.com> References: <7C9F27BE10361942966E4835F365891A77DAFC7C@A19MAIL.aricle19.org> <534C867D.9030203@cafonso.ca> <381CDAA0-DDCB-4833-9FD9-5AB1CA85FCEA@cisco.com> Message-ID: <534FB187.7040702@cafonso.ca> Hi Chip, thanks for your comments. It is very important that your comments be inserted in the comment area of the NETmundial portal (deadline April 21st) so we can try and improve the language to clarify. Please recall that the doc represents an effort to build consensus from more than 187 contributions and on some topics this was quite complex, as you can imagine. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/16/2014 11:22 PM, Chip Sharp (chsharp) wrote: > Dear Carlos, > > I appreciate your clarification as a member of the EMC that these two paragraphs are about Network Neutrality. The second sentence is especially difficult to parse (at least in English). > > Thanks, > Chip > > > On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> Laura, I think you did not read the docs in detail: >> >> "Internet should continue to be a globally coherent, interconnected, >> stable, unfragmented, scalable and accessible network-of-networks, based >> on a common set of unique identifiers and that allows the free flow of >> data packets/information." >> >> and: >> >> "The Internet should be preserved as a fertile and innovative >> environment based on an open system architecture, with voluntary >> collaboration, collective stewardship and participation, recognizing >> technical management principles for efficient and improved network >> operation and preserving the end-to-end nature of the network, equal >> technical treatment of all protocols and data, delivered by the >> underlying communications and seeking to resolve technical issues at a >> level closest to their origin." >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 04/14/2014 09:59 PM, Laura Tresca wrote: >>> Wow, net neutrality is NOT pointed out as a principle! >>> >>> ARTICLE 19 >>> Oficina para Sudamerica/ South America Office >>> Rua João Adolfo, 118 - 8ºandar >>> Anhangabaú, São Paulo, Brasil >>> tel. +55 11 30570042/0071 >>> www.artigo19.org/ www.article19.org >>> ________________________________ >>> De: marcocivil-bounces at listas.ensol.org.br [marcocivil-bounces at listas.ensol.org.br] em nome de Joana Varon [joana at varonferraz.com] >>> Enviado: segunda-feira, 14 de abril de 2014 20:58 >>> Para: <, bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, ; 1Net List; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org; marcocivil at listas.ensol.org.br; webwewant at googlegroups.com >>> Assunto: [Marcocivil] NetMundial Draft Outcome document Online for comments at the platform >>> >>> FYI: http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ >>> >>> Please, engage with your comments or rating the paragraphs you support. >>> >>> Sorry for cross-posting. It would be good if we channel short and concise comments in that platform. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Joana >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> Joana Varon Ferraz >>> @joana_varon >>> PGP 0x016B8E73 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lista de email Marcocivil >>> Marcocivil at listas.ensol.org.br >>> http://listas.ensol.org.br/listinfo.cgi/marcocivil-ensol.org.br >>> Descadastrar: envie email a Marcocivil-unsubscribe at listas.ensol.org.br >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list >> discuss at 1net.org >> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net Thu Apr 17 07:04:07 2014 From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:04:07 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8016421C6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> <534F97F6.80403@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8016421C6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <6B0BE8A8-45B6-4CDE-B2BA-14C8C7DFD561@theglobaljournal.net> Wolfgang, SNIP > The Multistakeholder Model does not exclude intergovernmental treaties. The problem today is that those (old and new) intergovernmental treaties are embedded into this new multistakeholder environment and governments have to take more into account than their own interests if they agree on legally binding mutual rights and duties. This is an incredible statement! In my view, you are the one totally confusing things and losing sight of what are societies all about, in particular Democracies that tend to recognize the ideas of global commons and public interest: corporations interests- the largest part represented in your MS model- are not superior to public policy efforts. The equal footing design and fluffy concept is an attempt to deprive us all from our singular rights to participate in the world we want, and the web we want. Public policy, governmental and intergovernmental work, treaties are elaborated to rebalance what the markets, free-wheeling, illegitimate entities tend to enforce over individual freedom and citizen rights. According to your statement, we citizens, and our governments have to be embedded in a MSistic world. MS priesthood should not take its desire for a reality. MS does not exist as a model of governance, barely as model for dialoguing - even that seems not to be true. The democratic world will not obey or be subjected to MSism. "Almost everyone agrees in the abstract that justice, understood in the social manner, requires what Rawls describes as " a proper balance between competing claims." But who are the claimants to justice? What is the agency that is to balance their rival claims? And what are the claims that need to be balanced?" Philip Pettit, in Just Freedom: a moral compass for a complex world, Norton, 2014 Well, I do not feel comfortable, as a Democrat concerned with social justice and fair global development, that we should hand over to any MS priesthood of illegitimate bodies the role to answer these questions asked by Pettit. I would feel a free man* if the Internet governance would be put under the wise oversight of citizens, their representatives whether elected or the diverse civil society movement that flourish to defend local and global communities on this planet. This is why I suggested in my submission (#187)** to transform the IGF into a WIF (World Internet Forum) able to challenge, check and balanced the governmental powers assembled in a WIO. Only to the condition of a separation of roles, do we, as in any democratic system will be able to preserve an open and interoperable Equinet, made of not one, but several root zones. * Freedom requires the absence not just of interference, but of the subjection to another that was known at the time of Roman republic as dominatio. The ideal freedom was thought as non domination. A challenging idea. I do not equate freedom of citizens, and freedom of corporations. MSism is misleading us in a flat world, where citizens, governments and corporations would be of "equal footing". This is pure non sense, IMHO. ** The Next Best Stage for the future of Internet Governance is Democracy Principles live throughout times. This is why Democracy is so critical when it comes to look at Internet governance, a fantastic, new refreshing major global commons. It will not thrive any longer if it does not embed itself in a democratic perspective. Not the other way round. Democracy embedded in MSism? Big joke? No big danger! Fascism was primarily a promise of a better democracy, more efficient, more distributive, more decentralized. We know where it led the people. The concierges were kings of Italy and would denounce in every building (geolocalisation) the ones that would not fit in the new enhanced democracy proposed by FSism. Dialogue is always welcome. Democracy is more than needed when one thinks of governance, including Internet governance. JC Le 17 avr. 2014 à 12:03, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang a écrit : > Parminder: > The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and "development of a global instrument providing for enforceable, high level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon by the International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners in their Madrid Declaration"That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous statements of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact are not innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public policy decision making model which will simply make such kinds of agreements impossible... > > Wolfgang: > You are confusing things. The Multistakeholder Model does not exclude intergovernmental treaties. The problem today is that those (old and new) intergovernmental treaties are embedded into this new multistakeholder environment and governments have to take more into account than their own interests if they agree on legally binding mutual rights and duties. The world today is bigger and much more differentiated than "black vs. white". Simplification is very often misleading and triggers conflicts instead enhanced commmunication, coordination and collaboration. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 17 07:30:34 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:00:34 +0530 Subject: AW: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8016421C6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> <534F97F6.80403@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8016421C6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <534FBB5A.4090305@itforchange.net> On Thursday 17 April 2014 03:33 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Parminder: > The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and "development of a global instrument providing for enforceable, high level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon by the International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners in their Madrid Declaration"That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous statements of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact are not innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public policy decision making model which will simply make such kinds of agreements impossible... > > Wolfgang: > You are confusing things. The Multistakeholder Model does not exclude intergovernmental treaties. Wolfgang I prefer to talk specifics... Would you sign on a statement seeking , urgently, intergovernmental treaties and agreements, for important global issues, starting from areas in which rich country clubs already have or are doing inter-gov treaties and agreements, and then proceeding to other important issues of global Internet policy as they arise. Yes or No. Should we put it in the Netmundial docs? I will accept everything else there on this condition.. So, as you say, no confusion; inter-gov agreements do not exclude MSism, MSism does not exclude inter-gov agreements. Why not just make this very clear. And if you do not agree to go as per above, it can be easily seen who is into confusing things, and who for clarifying them. > The problem today is that those (old and new) intergovernmental treaties are embedded into this new multistakeholder environment No, governmental work is embedded in participatory democracy practices..... but well I am ready to even provisionally call it MS environment, if there is indeed a legitimate inter-gov decision making centre of this environment.... A global Internet policy development body - like CoE and OECD has - for this MS environment of, say, the IGF. Wolfgang, dont you get the irony of the fact that there are inter-gov policy making bodies in CoE and OECD, but no IGF equivalent, and there is an IGF at the global level but not 'Internet policy' equivalent at the global level.... But still all MS bashing gets directed at developing countries and not the developed ones. > and governments have to take more into account than their own interests if they agree on legally binding mutual rights and duties. The world today is bigger and much more differentiated than "black vs. white". Simplification is very often misleading and triggers conflicts instead enhanced commmunication, coordination and collaboration. These are empty terms, that do not address the issues of dis empowerment and exclusion; they merely put gloss over continued exploitation by the powerful - in economic, political, social and cultural space.. And we should not be contributing to such glossing over... parminder > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 09:52:06 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:52:06 -0400 Subject: [governance] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Surely “should be conducted” should read “should ONLY be conducted” since surveillance in any case should be an exception? I have sat in on several "open consultations" on the "Interception of Communications" Bill proposed for the Government of Saint Lucia. In the end the whole issue comes down to trust since a) it seems to be impossible to avoid a "national security" exception; b) the checks and balances depend on the probity of the judiciary and c) unless someone tells you there is no way of knowing anyway if it is happening. Deirdre On 16 April 2014 18:38, Ian Peter wrote: > Hi everyone, > > To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph dealing > with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads “ Internet > surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines trust in the > Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. Surveillance of > communications, their interception, and the collection of personal data, > including mass surveillance, interception and collection should be > conducted in accordance with states’ obligations under international human > rights law. More dialogue is needed on this topic at the international > level using forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to develop > a common understanding on all the related aspects”. > > This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not > surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into the > drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I suggest > reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. > > I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps > what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments would be > embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the response here. > In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern to ensure that > this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by > as an adequate wording would be useful! > > > Ian Peter > > The site for entering responses is > http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Thu Apr 17 11:05:46 2014 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:05:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <534FEDCA.8030302@eff.org> Thank you, Ian. We must keep pushing for the principles. They are a guiding principles that explain to States how to implement their international human rights obligations in the context of communication surveillance. The Principles are firmly rooted in international law and jurisprudence. EFF and Article 19 will be releasing next week the Legal Background and Analysis of where the language of the Principles are coming from. We need a country that take the lead in implementing the Principles into national law, and that needs to come from the Parliament There is a lack of trust in the Executive Power within the mass surveillance debate. I don't think we will get much from a multi-stakeholder dialogue where even the Executive Power has no real knowledge of the scope and scale of mass surveillance. WE also hope the litigation advance, and we hope to see more judges applying those principles in the jurisprudence or more concluding observations from the Human rights Committee applying them (whether they cited or they barrow the language, which is also good to my eyes). Brazil and Germany are two States that are our last hope to get them to do something useful and meaningful. NetMundial as minimum need a firm rejection that mass surveillance is inherently a disproportionate measure. Mass surveillance, is the indiscriminate collection and retention of communications and metadata without any form of targeting or reasonable suspicion. By its very nature, mass surveillance does not involve any form of targeting or selection, let alone any requirement on the authorities to show reasonable suspicion or probable cause. Accordingly, mass surveillance is inevitably disproportionate as a matter of simple definition. The Principles reflect the above international standards under the headings “necessity,” “adequacy,” "legitimate aim" and “proportionality.” People have begun to realise that the current laws of their own country provide only ineffective protection against mass surveillance and the laws of other countries provide them with no protection at all. The world is waking up to the reality that most governments treat the private communications of non-residents and foreign nationals as fair game. The UN Human Rights Committee has for the first time remonstrated the US government for failing to provide extra-territorial protection for the privacy of non-citizens and legal challenges are being brought against bulk surveillance of foreign communications around the world. And definitely, the extraterritorial application of human rights law in the context of national security is an internet governance issue. Given the extraordinary capabilities and programs of States (and a few states more than others) to monitor global communications, the right to privacy must apply to the communication the NSA scans or collect. To accept otherwise, it defeat the purpose and objective of the ICCPR. You can read in EFF and Human rights Watch Submission to the Human Rights Committee, https://www.eff.org/document/eff-and-human-rights-watch-joint-submission-human-rights-committee and our joint submission with Privacy International, APC, Human rights Watch and others ot hte Office of the High commissioner on Human Rights https://www.eff.org/document/ohchr-consultation-connection-general-assembly-resolution-68167-right-privacy-digital-age While this is an internet governance issue too, I don't think we will solve this problem via a multi-stakeholder dialogue, though we should keep open the channel of communications with States and try to get some States to actually take the lead taking strong steps against the mass collection of data of innocent individuals, while we keep litigating in courts at national level or internationally on this issue. Katitza You can barrow some languages from the submissions we have made in both Human Rights Committee and the next report of the Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights. But this issue is not only a matter of domestic law. As we seen, On 04/16/2014 06:38 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > Hi everyone, > > To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph > dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads > “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines > trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. > Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the collection > of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and > collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ obligations > under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on this > topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human > Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the > related aspects”. > > This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not > surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into > the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I > suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. > > I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps > what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments would be > embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the response > here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern to > ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather than > simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! > > > Ian Peter > > The site for entering responses is > http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > Thank you, Ian. > > We must keep pushing for the principles. They are a guiding principles > that explain to States how to implement their international human rights > obligations in the context of communication surveillance. The Principles > are firmly rooted in international law and jurisprudence. > EFF and Article 19 will be releasing next week the Legal Background and > Analysis of where the language of the Principles are coming from. > > We need a country that take the lead in implementing the Principles into > national law, and that needs to come from the Parliament > There is a lack of trust in the Executive Power within the mass > surveillance debate. I don't think we will get much from a > multi-stakeholder dialogue where even the Executive Power has no real > knowledge of the scope and scale of mass surveillance. WE also hope the > litigation advance, and we hope to see more judges applying those > principles in the jurisprudence or more concluding observations from the > Human rights Committee applying them (whether they cited or they barrow > the language, which is also good to my eyes). > > Brazil and Germany are two States that are our last hope to get them to > do something useful and meaningful. NetMundial as minimum need a firm > rejection that mass surveillance is inherently a disproportionate measure. > > Mass surveillance, is the indiscriminate collection and retention of > communications and metadata without any form of targeting or reasonable > suspicion. > > By its very nature, mass surveillance does not involve any form of > targeting or selection, let alone any requirement on the authorities to > show reasonable suspicion or probable cause. Accordingly, mass > surveillance is inevitably disproportionate as a matter of simple > definition. The Principles reflect the above international standards > under the headings “necessity,” “adequacy,” "legitimate aim" and > “proportionality.” > > People have begun to realise that the current laws of their own country > provide only ineffective protection against mass surveillance and the > laws of other countries provide them with no protection at all. The > world is waking up to the reality that most governments treat the > private communications of non-residents and foreign nationals as fair > game. The UN Human Rights Committee has for the first time remonstrated > the US government for failing to provide extra-territorial protection > for the privacy of non-citizens and legal challenges are being brought > against bulk surveillance of foreign communications around the world. > > And definitely, the extraterritorial application of human rights law in > the context of national security is an internet governance issue. > > Given the extraordinary capabilities and programs of States (and a few > states more than others) to monitor global communications, the right to > privacy must apply to the communication the NSA scans or collect. To > accept otherwise, it defeat the purpose and objective of the ICCPR. > > You can read in EFF and Human rights Watch Submission to the Human > Rights Committee, > > https://www.eff.org/document/eff-and-human-rights-watch-joint-submission-human-rights-committee > > and our joint submission with Privacy International, APC, Human rights > Watch and others ot hte Office of the High commissioner on Human Rights > > https://www.eff.org/document/ohchr-consultation-connection-general-assembly-resolution-68167-right-privacy-digital-age > > While this is an internet governance issue too, I don't think we will > solve this problem via a multi-stakeholder dialogue, though we should > keep open the channel of communications with States and try to get some > States to actually take the lead taking strong steps against the mass > collection of data of innocent individuals, while we keep litigating in > courts at national level or internationally on this issue. > > > Katitza > > > > > > You can barrow some languages from the submissions we have made in both > Human Rights Committee and the next report of the Office of the High > Commissioner on Human Rights. > > But this issue is not only a matter of domestic law. As we seen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/16/2014 06:38 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph > > dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads > > “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines > > trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. > > Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the collection > > of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and > > collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ obligations > > under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on this > > topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human > > Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the > > related aspects”. > > > > This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not > > surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into > > the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I > > suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. > > > > I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps > > what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments would be > > embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the response > > here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern to > > ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather than > > simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > The site for entering responses is > > > http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ > > -- > Katitza Rodriguez > International Rights Director > Electronic Frontier Foundation > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Carolina Rossini* *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center* Open Technology Institute *New America Foundation* // http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* skype: carolrossini @carolinarossini -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Thu Apr 17 14:41:32 2014 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:41:32 -0400 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: References: <534FEDCA.8030302@eff.org> Message-ID: <5350205C.5070608@eff.org> I have no idea what happened on the 22nd Carolina. I haven't been able to track netmundial. But my colleague Danny O'brien and Gabrielle Guillermin (with whom we work on the paper) will be in Sao Paulo for net mundial. If the 22nd is a good date, we might be able to launch the paper there. I'll coordinate internally. On 04/17/2014 12:30 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote: > will this paper be presented at the German-Brazil meeting on the 22nd > Katitza?! > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Katitza Rodriguez > wrote: > > Thank you, Ian. > > We must keep pushing for the principles. They are a guiding principles > that explain to States how to implement their international human rights > obligations in the context of communication surveillance. The Principles > are firmly rooted in international law and jurisprudence. > EFF and Article 19 will be releasing next week the Legal Background and > Analysis of where the language of the Principles are coming from. > > We need a country that take the lead in implementing the Principles into > national law, and that needs to come from the Parliament > There is a lack of trust in the Executive Power within the mass > surveillance debate. I don't think we will get much from a > multi-stakeholder dialogue where even the Executive Power has no real > knowledge of the scope and scale of mass surveillance. WE also hope the > litigation advance, and we hope to see more judges applying those > principles in the jurisprudence or more concluding observations from the > Human rights Committee applying them (whether they cited or they barrow > the language, which is also good to my eyes). > > Brazil and Germany are two States that are our last hope to get them to > do something useful and meaningful. NetMundial as minimum need a firm > rejection that mass surveillance is inherently a disproportionate > measure. > > Mass surveillance, is the indiscriminate collection and retention of > communications and metadata without any form of targeting or reasonable > suspicion. > > By its very nature, mass surveillance does not involve any form of > targeting or selection, let alone any requirement on the authorities to > show reasonable suspicion or probable cause. Accordingly, mass > surveillance is inevitably disproportionate as a matter of simple > definition. The Principles reflect the above international standards > under the headings “necessity,” “adequacy,” "legitimate aim" and > “proportionality.” > > People have begun to realise that the current laws of their own country > provide only ineffective protection against mass surveillance and the > laws of other countries provide them with no protection at all. The > world is waking up to the reality that most governments treat the > private communications of non-residents and foreign nationals as fair > game. The UN Human Rights Committee has for the first time remonstrated > the US government for failing to provide extra-territorial protection > for the privacy of non-citizens and legal challenges are being brought > against bulk surveillance of foreign communications around the world. > > And definitely, the extraterritorial application of human rights law in > the context of national security is an internet governance issue. > > Given the extraordinary capabilities and programs of States (and a few > states more than others) to monitor global communications, the right to > privacy must apply to the communication the NSA scans or collect. To > accept otherwise, it defeat the purpose and objective of the ICCPR. > > You can read in EFF and Human rights Watch Submission to the Human > Rights Committee, > https://www.eff.org/document/eff-and-human-rights-watch-joint-submission-human-rights-committee > > and our joint submission with Privacy International, APC, Human rights > Watch and others ot hte Office of the High commissioner on Human Rights > https://www.eff.org/document/ohchr-consultation-connection-general-assembly-resolution-68167-right-privacy-digital-age > > While this is an internet governance issue too, I don't think we will > solve this problem via a multi-stakeholder dialogue, though we should > keep open the channel of communications with States and try to get some > States to actually take the lead taking strong steps against the mass > collection of data of innocent individuals, while we keep litigating in > courts at national level or internationally on this issue. > > > Katitza > > > > > > You can barrow some languages from the submissions we have made in both > Human Rights Committee and the next report of the Office of the High > Commissioner on Human Rights. > > But this issue is not only a matter of domestic law. As we seen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/16/2014 06:38 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph > > dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads > > “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines > > trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. > > Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the collection > > of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and > > collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ obligations > > under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on this > > topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the Human > > Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the > > related aspects”. > > > > This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not > > surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) into > > the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I > > suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org > principles. > > > > I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. Perhaps > > what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments > would be > > embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the response > > here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern to > > ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather than > > simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > The site for entering responses is > > > http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ > > -- > Katitza Rodriguez > International Rights Director > Electronic Frontier Foundation > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > *Carolina Rossini* > /Project Director, Latin America Resource Center/ > Open Technology Institute > *New America Foundation* > // > http://carolinarossini.net/ > + 1 6176979389 > *carolina.rossini at gmail.com * > skype: carolrossini > @carolinarossini > -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Apparently there is light at the end of the tunnel. IMO the Patriotic Act and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 practically established a State of Exception in the USA. Under this Act, in the name of "fighting against terrorism", the NSA can do everything, including abusive practices of surveillance and collect massive data. So, the state of rights practically disappeared. Here in Brazil, we had the dark period of dictatorship (1970s), something as a Patriotic Act was created; it was called the Institutional Act Number 5 (AI 5): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-5. In 1978, fortunately the Brazilian Congress with social movement eradicated the AI 5 and restoring *habeas corpus*. In December 28 2012, the U.S. Senate voted to extend the FISA Amendments Act for five years until December 31, 2017. How Is been treated the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 by the EFF? Hindenburgo Pires 2014-04-17 15:41 GMT-03:00 Katitza Rodriguez : > I have no idea what happened on the 22nd Carolina. I haven't been able > to track netmundial. But my colleague Danny O'brien and Gabrielle > Guillermin (with whom we work on the paper) will be in Sao Paulo for net > mundial. > > If the 22nd is a good date, we might be able to launch the paper there. > I'll coordinate internally. > > On 04/17/2014 12:30 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote: > > will this paper be presented at the German-Brazil meeting on the 22nd > > Katitza?! > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Katitza Rodriguez > > wrote: > > > > Thank you, Ian. > > > > We must keep pushing for the principles. They are a guiding > principles > > that explain to States how to implement their international human > rights > > obligations in the context of communication surveillance. The > Principles > > are firmly rooted in international law and jurisprudence. > > EFF and Article 19 will be releasing next week the Legal Background > and > > Analysis of where the language of the Principles are coming from. > > > > We need a country that take the lead in implementing the Principles > into > > national law, and that needs to come from the Parliament > > There is a lack of trust in the Executive Power within the mass > > surveillance debate. I don't think we will get much from a > > multi-stakeholder dialogue where even the Executive Power has no real > > knowledge of the scope and scale of mass surveillance. WE also hope > the > > litigation advance, and we hope to see more judges applying those > > principles in the jurisprudence or more concluding observations from > the > > Human rights Committee applying them (whether they cited or they > barrow > > the language, which is also good to my eyes). > > > > Brazil and Germany are two States that are our last hope to get them > to > > do something useful and meaningful. NetMundial as minimum need a firm > > rejection that mass surveillance is inherently a disproportionate > > measure. > > > > Mass surveillance, is the indiscriminate collection and retention of > > communications and metadata without any form of targeting or > reasonable > > suspicion. > > > > By its very nature, mass surveillance does not involve any form of > > targeting or selection, let alone any requirement on the > authorities to > > show reasonable suspicion or probable cause. Accordingly, mass > > surveillance is inevitably disproportionate as a matter of simple > > definition. The Principles reflect the above international standards > > under the headings “necessity,” “adequacy,” "legitimate aim" and > > “proportionality.” > > > > People have begun to realise that the current laws of their own > country > > provide only ineffective protection against mass surveillance and the > > laws of other countries provide them with no protection at all. The > > world is waking up to the reality that most governments treat the > > private communications of non-residents and foreign nationals as fair > > game. The UN Human Rights Committee has for the first time > remonstrated > > the US government for failing to provide extra-territorial protection > > for the privacy of non-citizens and legal challenges are being > brought > > against bulk surveillance of foreign communications around the world. > > > > And definitely, the extraterritorial application of human rights law > in > > the context of national security is an internet governance issue. > > > > Given the extraordinary capabilities and programs of States (and a > few > > states more than others) to monitor global communications, the right > to > > privacy must apply to the communication the NSA scans or collect. To > > accept otherwise, it defeat the purpose and objective of the ICCPR. > > > > You can read in EFF and Human rights Watch Submission to the Human > > Rights Committee, > > > https://www.eff.org/document/eff-and-human-rights-watch-joint-submission-human-rights-committee > > > > and our joint submission with Privacy International, APC, Human > rights > > Watch and others ot hte Office of the High commissioner on Human > Rights > > > https://www.eff.org/document/ohchr-consultation-connection-general-assembly-resolution-68167-right-privacy-digital-age > > > > While this is an internet governance issue too, I don't think we will > > solve this problem via a multi-stakeholder dialogue, though we should > > keep open the channel of communications with States and try to get > some > > States to actually take the lead taking strong steps against the mass > > collection of data of innocent individuals, while we keep litigating > in > > courts at national level or internationally on this issue. > > > > > > Katitza > > > > > > > > > > > > You can barrow some languages from the submissions we have made in > both > > Human Rights Committee and the next report of the Office of the High > > Commissioner on Human Rights. > > > > But this issue is not only a matter of domestic law. As we seen, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/16/2014 06:38 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph > > > dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which > reads > > > “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance > undermines > > > trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance > ecosystem. > > > Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the > collection > > > of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and > > > collection should be conducted in accordance with states’ > obligations > > > under international human rights law. More dialogue is needed on > this > > > topic at the international level using forums like IGF and the > Human > > > Rights Council aiming to develop a common understanding on all the > > > related aspects”. > > > > > > This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not > > > surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) > into > > > the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where I > > > suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org > > principles. > > > > > > I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. > Perhaps > > > what we need is some better wording (which perhaps governments > > would be > > > embarrassed not to include), and which would strengthen the > response > > > here. In any case, some wording and indication of level of concern > to > > > ensure that this is discussed on the floor of the meeting rather > than > > > simply passed by as an adequate wording would be useful! > > > > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > The site for entering responses is > > > > > > http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ > > > > -- > > Katitza Rodriguez > > International Rights Director > > Electronic Frontier Foundation > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Carolina Rossini* > > /Project Director, Latin America Resource Center/ > > Open Technology Institute > > *New America Foundation* > > // > > http://carolinarossini.net/ > > + 1 6176979389 > > *carolina.rossini at gmail.com * > > skype: carolrossini > > @carolinarossini > > > > -- > Katitza Rodriguez > International Rights Director > Electronic Frontier Foundation > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Hindenburgo Francisco Pires Universidade do Estado do Rio de Janeiro Departamento de Geografia Humana *Sítio-web: http://www.cibergeo.org * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, as you'd realize after, going through this post. I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeated and grave provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time engaging with the process, in the first place. I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without a minimal comment from me. I wish to assure global civil society that our views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant oppurtunity for change. In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine captured are in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from the floor. My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ * Now I ask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from Indian CS- was it appropriate to include me in this story related to surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed. As identified in Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is manipulative on multiple levels and makes several inaccurate assertions. Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and a harbinger of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based on this article. I submit the following for your consideration: the portions in italics are direct quotes from the same article. . a. *“**Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” .* You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to the effect is missing from the story. I challenge anyone to put out any evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder Jeet singh repeatedly continues to make. Despite a clarification on the 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. b. “*Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:* I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *coach and Mentor other proposals* and IGF should limit it’s own”. [image: Inline images 1] In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my “coach and mentor”. c. “*She was also paid upwards of **Rs.* *2.3 lakh for her role at a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and corporate bodies”.* He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said letter. This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would shy away from. Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human rights. d. *Ph.D* : *Can a **mere research studentship**,** which I am still pursuing**,* *be** the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?* It was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say sorry”, to her for the offense I had not committed and continue with her. With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has ever** been given to me and hence no action has been taken against me,* detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I. And my PhD. is well underway. *The letter of notable members of civil society.* The CS letter from India carried the support of 10 individuals +1 author, some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir, Anja Kovacs, Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me where Parminder was present through out. It is full of misrepresentation. Their claims are absurd that: *1- They don’t know me* *2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space.* *3. They don’t know how to reach me**.* *4. And I do not teach IG* *My Response**:* Ø *Not only do they know me quite well* Ø *We have hosted joint events, * Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, * Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, * Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, * Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, * Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues and events on IG, * Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. * Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. * Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone * Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my inputs on their drafts. * I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the IG space with all of them individually or collectively. The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of the CS letter), Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- co-signatory), Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), Ø Media For Change( represented by me) Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal response. ​ More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden this list)- One of the recent multistakeholder meeting on IG that I co-organized including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated on many occasions and often take same positions publicly), was on the 29thJanuary, 2014. Where I worked with 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs ​ *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:* Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, Rishab Bailey the author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and at the CIS website http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi They are all signatories to the letter. *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written to me, or supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again for reposing your faith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for the work that my colleagues do. I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation and connects the unconnected. More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for ready reference* https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of us but let's put our best foot forward. Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. Safe travels, all. Warmest, Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, Media For Change Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor The Saltlist www.thesaltlist.org Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, Curator, Media Critic & Scholar PhD. Scholar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi PS: Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of speech and expression: *IG specific Roles:* 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) fellowship for IG 2014-2015 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation IGF 2013 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives on information and communication especially for under-represented stakeholder groups in IG.* I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of Delhi University. I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-D as a part time registered PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking full classes and contributing to the College immensely. My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the 18th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India) . http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html The position that I often take is against corporatization and control of the media including the Internet by a few, be they governments, private sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF website. *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in this academic year 2013-2014:* My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. *http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece * My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was screened at the IIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. In recognition of *my **contribution to Internet and society**,* I been awarded: 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF MAG, for the second consecutive term. 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as a panelist. 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), New Delhi. 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of the letter. 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is online with our interventions and images together. 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional and national Internet & ICT initiatives. 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institution with over 300 youth delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the media on the role of media and youth in election 2014 particularly the impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying participation of the youth. 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies on social media. 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held on the world internet day. 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A NASSCOM initiative). 23) I am a member of the International Association for Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). warmest Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. 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I would request the other signatories to the original letter (other than Rishab and Parminder, who have previously posted on this issue) to consider responding. It might also be appropriate for the co-cos to mediate this (or perhaps take it entirely offline among the affected parties to this discussion, to avoid such a discussion on the list turning into a general argument) thanks suresh From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Subi Chaturvedi Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 3:26 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India Dear CS colleagues and friends, This has reference to the article published in HT on 8th April, 2014 which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, as you'd realize after, going through this post. I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeated and grave provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time engaging with the process, in the first place. I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without a minimal comment from me. I wish to assure global civil society that our views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant oppurtunity for change. In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine captured are in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from the floor. My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my blog http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Now I ask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from Indian CS- was it appropriate to include me in this story related to surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed. As identified in Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is manipulative on multiple levels and makes several inaccurate assertions. Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and a harbinger of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based on this article. I submit the following for your consideration: the portions in italics are direct quotes from the same article. . a. “Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” . You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to the effect is missing from the story. I challenge anyone to put out any evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder Jeet singh repeatedly continues to make. Despite a clarification on the 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. b. “Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”: I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade coach and Mentor other proposals and IGF should limit it’s own”. In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my “coach and mentor”. c. “She was also paid upwards of Rs. 2.3 lakh for her role at a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and corporate bodies”. He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said letter. This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would shy away from. Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human rights. d. Ph.D : Can a mere research studentship, which I am still pursuing, be the basis on which I was appointed at any forum? It was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say sorry”, to her for the offense I had not committed and continue with her. With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show cause has ever been given to me and hence no action has been taken against me, detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I. And my PhD. is well underway. The letter of notable members of civil society. The CS letter from India carried the support of 10 individuals +1 author, some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir, Anja Kovacs, Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me where Parminder was present through out. It is full of misrepresentation. Their claims are absurd that: 1- They don’t know me 2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space. 3. They don’t know how to reach me. 4. And I do not teach IG My Response: * Not only do they know me quite well * We have hosted joint events, * We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, * We have appeared as panelists together on IG, * We have traveled and worked together on IG, * We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, * Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues and events on IG, * Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. * I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. * They have called me on my mobile phone * They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my inputs on their drafts. I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the IG space with all of them individually or collectively. The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by * Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of the CS letter), * Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), * Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- co-signatory), * Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), * Media For Change( represented by me) * SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). * Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal response. ​ More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden this list)- One of the recent multistakeholder meeting on IG that I co-organized including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated on many occasions and often take same positions publicly), was on the 29th January, 2014. Where I worked with 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs ​ Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter: Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, Rishab Bailey the author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and at the CIS website http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi They are all signatories to the letter. Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written to me, or supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again for reposing your faith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for the work that my colleagues do. I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation and connects the unconnected. More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ and Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for ready reference https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org &es_sm=91 I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of us but let's put our best foot forward. Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. Safe travels, all. Warmest, Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, Media For Change Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor The Saltlist www.thesaltlist.org Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, Curator, Media Critic & Scholar PhD. Scholar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi PS: Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of speech and expression: IG specific Roles: 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) fellowship for IG 2014-2015 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation IGF 2013 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives on information and communication especially for under-represented stakeholder groups in IG. I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org &es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of Delhi University. I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-D as a part time registered PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking full classes and contributing to the College immensely. My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the 18th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha Thakurta (an eminent journalist from India). http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html The position that I often take is against corporatization and control of the media including the Internet by a few, be they governments, private sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF website. This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in this academic year 2013-2014: My article “For an unfettered internet’, was published as the lead opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was screened at the IIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. In recognition of my contribution to Internet and society, I been awarded: 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF MAG, for the second consecutive term. 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as a panelist. 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), New Delhi. 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of the letter. 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is online with our interventions and images together. 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. Kovacs was, moreover on the same session as I was. 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional and national Internet & ICT initiatives. 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on The Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for us with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institution with over 300 youth delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the media on the role of media and youth in election 2014 particularly the impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying participation of the youth. 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies on social media. 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held on the world internet day. 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A NASSCOM initiative). 23) I am a member of the International Association for Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). warmest Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. 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I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help to eventually clear the air. My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not immediate, but it is important we do so. My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! Ian Peter From: Subi Chaturvedi Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India Dear CS colleagues and friends, This has reference to the article published in HT on 8th April, 2014 which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, as you'd realize after, going through this post. I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeated and grave provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time engaging with the process, in the first place. I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without a minimal comment from me. I wish to assure global civil society that our views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant oppurtunity for change. In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine captured are in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from the floor. My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my blog http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Now I ask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from Indian CS- was it appropriate to include me in this story related to surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed. As identified in Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is manipulative on multiple levels and makes several inaccurate assertions. Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and a harbinger of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based on this article. I submit the following for your consideration: the portions in italics are direct quotes from the same article. . a. “Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” . You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to the effect is missing from the story. I challenge anyone to put out any evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder Jeet singh repeatedly continues to make. Despite a clarification on the 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. b. “Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”: I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade coach and Mentor other proposals and IGF should limit it’s own”. In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my “coach and mentor”. c. “She was also paid upwards of Rs. 2.3 lakh for her role at a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and corporate bodies”. He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said letter. This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would shy away from. Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human rights. d. Ph.D : Can a mere research studentship, which I am still pursuing, be the basis on which I was appointed at any forum? It was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say sorry”, to her for the offense I had not committed and continue with her. With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show cause has ever been given to me and hence no action has been taken against me, detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I. And my PhD. is well underway. The letter of notable members of civil society. The CS letter from India carried the support of 10 individuals +1 author, some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir, Anja Kovacs, Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me where Parminder was present through out. It is full of misrepresentation. Their claims are absurd that: 1- They don’t know me 2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space. 3. They don’t know how to reach me. 4. And I do not teach IG My Response: Ø Not only do they know me quite well Ø We have hosted joint events, Ø We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, Ø We have appeared as panelists together on IG, Ø We have traveled and worked together on IG, Ø We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, Ø Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues and events on IG, Ø Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. Ø I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. Ø They have called me on my mobile phone Ø They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my inputs on their drafts. I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the IG space with all of them individually or collectively. The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of the CS letter), Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- co-signatory), Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), Ø Media For Change( represented by me) Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal response. ​ More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden this list)- One of the recent multistakeholder meeting on IG that I co-organized including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated on many occasions and often take same positions publicly), was on the 29th January, 2014. Where I worked with 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs ​ Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter: Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, Rishab Bailey the author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and at the CIS website http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi They are all signatories to the letter. Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written to me, or supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again for reposing your faith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for the work that my colleagues do. I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation and connects the unconnected. More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ and Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for ready reference https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of us but let's put our best foot forward. Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. Safe travels, all. Warmest, Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, Media For Change Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor The Saltlist www.thesaltlist.org Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, Curator, Media Critic & Scholar PhD. Scholar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi PS: Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of speech and expression: IG specific Roles: 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) fellowship for IG 2014-2015 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation IGF 2013 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives on information and communication especially for under-represented stakeholder groups in IG. I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of Delhi University. I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-D as a part time registered PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking full classes and contributing to the College immensely. My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the 18th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha Thakurta (an eminent journalist from India). http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html The position that I often take is against corporatization and control of the media including the Internet by a few, be they governments, private sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF website. This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in this academic year 2013-2014: My article “For an unfettered internet’, was published as the lead opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was screened at the IIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. In recognition of my contribution to Internet and society, I been awarded: 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF MAG, for the second consecutive term. 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as a panelist. 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), New Delhi. 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of the letter. 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is online with our interventions and images together. 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. Kovacs was, moreover on the same session as I was. 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional and national Internet & ICT initiatives. 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on The Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for us with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institution with over 300 youth delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the media on the role of media and youth in election 2014 particularly the impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying participation of the youth. 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies on social media. 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held on the world internet day. 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A NASSCOM initiative). 23) I am a member of the International Association for Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). warmest Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. 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It’s not always a friendly space, as others have > discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different > perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and > valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to > your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. > > My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way > to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not > immediate, but it is important we do so. > > My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! > > Ian Peter > > > > *From:* Subi Chaturvedi > *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related > concerns raised by colleagues from India > > > Dear CS colleagues and friends, > ... -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From marilynscade at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 02:56:51 2014 From: marilynscade at hotmail.com (Marilyn Cade) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:56:51 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <5350C76B.7030006@acm.org> References: <5350C76B.7030006@acm.org> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2014, at 8:35, "Avri Doria" wrote: > > > +1 > >> On 17-Apr-14 23:48, Ian Peter wrote: >> Subi, >> >> It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. >> I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help >> to eventually clear the air. >> >> My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will >> continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in >> internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have >> discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different >> perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and >> valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to >> your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. >> >> My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way >> to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not >> immediate, but it is important we do so. >> >> My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> *From:* Subi Chaturvedi >> *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM >> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related >> concerns raised by colleagues from India >> >> >> Dear CS colleagues and friends, > > ... > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From divina.meigs at orange.fr Fri Apr 18 04:10:37 2014 From: divina.meigs at orange.fr (divina.meigs) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:10:37 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <5350C76B.7030006@acm.org> References: <5350C76B.7030006@acm.org> Message-ID: + 1 Divina Frau-Meigs Professeur, sociologue des médias Directrice CLEMI Chaire UNESCO « savoir devenir dans le développement numérique durable » Le 18/04/2014 08:34, « Avri Doria » a écrit : > >+1 > >On 17-Apr-14 23:48, Ian Peter wrote: >> Subi, >> >> It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. >> I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help >> to eventually clear the air. >> >> My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will >> continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in >> internet governance. It¹s not always a friendly space, as others have >> discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different >> perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and >> valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to >> your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. >> >> My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way >> to move past these issues. That¹s not going to be easy, and perhaps not >> immediate, but it is important we do so. >> >> My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to >>fruition! >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> *From:* Subi Chaturvedi >> *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM >> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related >> concerns raised by colleagues from India >> >> >> Dear CS colleagues and friends, >> > >... > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From amedinagomez at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 07:59:16 2014 From: amedinagomez at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Antonio_Medina_G=C3=B3mez?=) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 06:59:16 -0500 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: References: <5350C76B.7030006@acm.org> Message-ID: +1 Antonio Medina Gómez Presidente Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet presidencia at acui.co @amedinagomez Skype amedinagomez Celular 3118689626 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 08:08:22 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:08:22 +0100 Subject: [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> Thanks for this Adam and for pointing to the opportunity for making comments. And I have several comments. However, given how the comments element for the document is structured I don't see how I can usefully introduce them into that format since I want to comment not on what is in the document; but rather on what isn't in the document. In that context I see two notable and even astonishing absences. 1. The document as presented refers to stakeholders/multistakeholderism in its discussions of the global Internet governance model in one form or another 46 times! While on the other hand, the document contains no, and let me repeat, NO references to democracy or democratic governance! Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document. 2. The document nowhere identifies an overall objective for the governance it is discussing. That is, for what purpose or to what end are the governance structures/models being directed? To put it bluntly is the proposed governance of the Internet being undertaken in support of the "public interest" or in the interests of the individual "stakeholders" among whom of course certain private corporate and national interests/stakes are pre-eminent? Given what is identified in item #1 the answer to this second question would appear to be self-evident. Of course, these issues were not addressed by myself or others in the 188 position papers presented to the NetMundial conference. Thus one could perversely argue that their absence in the Outcome Statement is a reflection of the failure by contributors to argue for their inclusion. However, the perversity of this argument is obvious when one asks the question, is democratic governance in the public interest not something that can be assumed, taken as a given in an area as significant, whose influence is so pervasive, as the Internet. Need one even argue that the governance of the Internet must occur within a democratic framework and directed in support of the public interest. Who could possibly have imagined that this conference dealing with global (Internet) governance would, completely replace the 1000 year evolution of democratic governance in support of the public interest and replace this with governance by and for "stakeholders" acting in pursuit of their individual and private interests. Given, as I mentioned, that I see no way of introducing these comments into the commentary section on the document it would be appreciated if you would yourself, forward these to the relevant NetMundial authorities for consideration as they are preparing their final drafts of the output statement for the meeting. Sincerely, Michael Gurstein -----Original Message----- From: ciresearchers-owner at vancouvercommunity.net [mailto:ciresearchers-owner at vancouvercommunity.net] On Behalf Of Adam Peake Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:41 AM To: ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net Subject: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Please see < http://document.netmundial.br/> Use the Navigate button. Information below. Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC. Adam WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance - received 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and Technical Community. Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial's Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and submitted it for consultation with NETmundial's High-level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial's Chair and Co-Chairs, a final version of the document is released here for public comments. The public consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial's Executive Committee Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC. For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create an account in order to post your comment to the document. You'll be able to immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to say, you'll just have to provide a full name and contact email address alongside your comment. By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you'll be able to see all the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in someone else's comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous comments before making yours. This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by all stakeholders. END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Fri Apr 18 08:22:26 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 21:22:26 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11D6AC81-3A8F-403E-A1A0-19DB86CC0BD7@glocom.ac.jp> Hi Michael, If you click on the title of a section you will see an option to leave a comment on the whole page click INTRODUCTION click 1. INTERNET GOVERNANCE PRINCIPLES click 2. ROADMAP FOR THE FUTURE EVOLUTION OF THE INTERNET GOVERNANCE As a meta meta comment, perhaps introduction works best for you? Adam On Apr 18, 2014, at 9:08 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > Thanks for this Adam and for pointing to the opportunity for making comments. > > And I have several comments. However, given how the comments element for the document is structured I don't see how I can usefully introduce them into that format since I want to comment not on what is in the document; but rather on what isn't in the document. > > In that context I see two notable and even astonishing absences. > > 1. The document as presented refers to stakeholders/multistakeholderism in its discussions of the global Internet governance model in one form or another 46 times! While on the other hand, the document contains no, and let me repeat, NO references to democracy or democratic governance! > > Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document. > > > 2. The document nowhere identifies an overall objective for the governance it is discussing. That is, for what purpose or to what end are the governance structures/models being directed? > > To put it bluntly is the proposed governance of the Internet being undertaken in support of the “public interest” or in the interests of the individual “stakeholders” among whom of course certain private corporate and national interests/stakes are pre-eminent? Given what is identified in item #1 the answer to this second question would appear to be self-evident. > > Of course, these issues were not addressed by myself or others in the 188 position papers presented to the NetMundial conference. Thus one could perversely argue that their absence in the Outcome Statement is a reflection of the failure by contributors to argue for their inclusion. > > However, the perversity of this argument is obvious when one asks the question, is democratic governance in the public interest not something that can be assumed, taken as a given in an area as significant, whose influence is so pervasive, as the Internet. Need one even argue that the governance of the Internet must occur within a democratic framework and directed in support of the public interest. > > Who could possibly have imagined that this conference dealing with global (Internet) governance would, completely replace the 1000 year evolution of democratic governance in support of the public interest and replace this with governance by and for “stakeholders” acting in pursuit of their individual and private interests. > > Given, as I mentioned, that I see no way of introducing these comments into the commentary section on the document it would be appreciated if you would yourself, forward these to the relevant NetMundial authorities for consideration as they are preparing their final drafts of the output statement for the meeting. > > Sincerely, > > Michael Gurstein > > -----Original Message----- > From: ciresearchers-owner at vancouvercommunity.net [mailto:ciresearchers-owner at vancouvercommunity.net] On Behalf Of Adam Peake > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:41 AM > To: ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net > Subject: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment > > Please see Use the Navigate button. Information below. > > Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > Adam > > > > WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE > > After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial – the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance – received 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and Technical Community. > > Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial’s Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and submitted it for consultation with NETmundial’s High-level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial’s Chair and Co-Chairs, a final version of the document is released here for public comments. The public consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial’s Executive Committee Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create an account in order to post your comment to the document. You’ll be able to immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to say, you’ll just have to provide a full name and contact email address alongside your comment. > > By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you’ll be able to see all the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in someone else’s comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous comments before making yours. > > This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by all stakeholders. > > END -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 08:57:05 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:57:05 +0100 Subject: [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <11D6AC81-3A8F-403E-A1A0-19DB86CC0BD7@glocom.ac.jp> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> <11D6AC81-3A8F-403E-A1A0-19DB86CC0BD7@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <086801cf5b05$b50a9f10$1f1fdd30$@gmail.com> Thanks Adam, I'll take a look as you suggest but again as my comments deal with the document as a whole simply making comments on "one page" of the document via the "Introduction" hardly seems appropriate. M -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake [mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:22 PM To: ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net; michael gurstein Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; discuss at 1net.org Subject: Re: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Hi Michael, If you click on the title of a section you will see an option to leave a comment on the whole page click INTRODUCTION click 1. INTERNET GOVERNANCE PRINCIPLES click 2. ROADMAP FOR THE FUTURE EVOLUTION OF THE INTERNET GOVERNANCE As a meta meta comment, perhaps introduction works best for you? Adam On Apr 18, 2014, at 9:08 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > Thanks for this Adam and for pointing to the opportunity for making comments. > > And I have several comments. However, given how the comments element for the document is structured I don't see how I can usefully introduce them into that format since I want to comment not on what is in the document; but rather on what isn't in the document. > > In that context I see two notable and even astonishing absences. > > 1. The document as presented refers to stakeholders/multistakeholderism in its discussions of the global Internet governance model in one form or another 46 times! While on the other hand, the document contains no, and let me repeat, NO references to democracy or democratic governance! > > Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document. > > > 2. The document nowhere identifies an overall objective for the governance it is discussing. That is, for what purpose or to what end are the governance structures/models being directed? > > To put it bluntly is the proposed governance of the Internet being undertaken in support of the "public interest" or in the interests of the individual "stakeholders" among whom of course certain private corporate and national interests/stakes are pre-eminent? Given what is identified in item #1 the answer to this second question would appear to be self-evident. > > Of course, these issues were not addressed by myself or others in the 188 position papers presented to the NetMundial conference. Thus one could perversely argue that their absence in the Outcome Statement is a reflection of the failure by contributors to argue for their inclusion. > > However, the perversity of this argument is obvious when one asks the question, is democratic governance in the public interest not something that can be assumed, taken as a given in an area as significant, whose influence is so pervasive, as the Internet. Need one even argue that the governance of the Internet must occur within a democratic framework and directed in support of the public interest. > > Who could possibly have imagined that this conference dealing with global (Internet) governance would, completely replace the 1000 year evolution of democratic governance in support of the public interest and replace this with governance by and for "stakeholders" acting in pursuit of their individual and private interests. > > Given, as I mentioned, that I see no way of introducing these comments into the commentary section on the document it would be appreciated if you would yourself, forward these to the relevant NetMundial authorities for consideration as they are preparing their final drafts of the output statement for the meeting. > > Sincerely, > > Michael Gurstein > > -----Original Message----- > From: ciresearchers-owner at vancouvercommunity.net > [mailto:ciresearchers-owner at vancouvercommunity.net] On Behalf Of Adam > Peake > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:41 AM > To: ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net > Subject: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment > > Please see Use the Navigate button. Information below. > > Comments will close April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > Adam > > > > WELCOME TO NETMUNDIAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PAGE > > After an open call for content contribution, NETmundial - the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance - received 188 documents from 46 different countries. These documents were sent by representatives of Civil Society, Private Sector, Academy, Governments and Technical Community. > > Based on these broad set of inputs, NETmundial's Executive Multistakeholder Committee (EMC) prepared a Draft Outcome Document and submitted it for consultation with NETmundial's High-level Multistakeholder Committee (HLMC) on April 3rd, 2014. After incorporating the inputs from the HLMC, under the guidance of NETmundial's Chair and Co-Chairs, a final version of the document is released here for public comments. The public consultation will be open for comments on NETmundial's Executive Committee Output Document from April 14th until April 21th, 12:00 UTC. > > For this public consultation a commenting tool is available online at http://document.netmundial.br/ with the purpose of receiving public comments on specific points of the document. It is not necessary to create an account in order to post your comment to the document. You'll be able to immediately start reading the document and whenever you have something to say, you'll just have to provide a full name and contact email address alongside your comment. > > By clicking on any paragraph of the document, you'll be able to see all the comments other people have already made pertaining to that portion of the text; as referred above, you are also granted the possibility to register your own observations. Maybe your concern was already addressed in someone else's comment, so please be sure to take a look at the previous comments before making yours. > > This public consultation closes the loop that started by collecting public content contributions. Such contributions were compiled and merged into the Outcome Document by the NETmundial EMC and HLMC committees in the spirit of trying to represent the overall context of the current Internet Governance debate. It is very important to receive further public input in this final stage, so that the outcome is true to the issues and concerns presented by all stakeholders. > > END -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri Apr 18 09:26:12 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:26:12 -0300 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> Absolutely agree with Ian, including the three wishes. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/18/2014 12:48 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > Subi, > > It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. > I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help > to eventually clear the air. > > My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will > continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in > internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have > discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different > perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and > valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to > your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. > > My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way > to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not > immediate, but it is important we do so. > > My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! > > Ian Peter > > > > *From:* Subi Chaturvedi > *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related > concerns raised by colleagues from India > > > Dear CS colleagues and friends, > > > This has reference to the article published in HT on 8^th April, 2014 > which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. > > At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing > solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, > misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, > as you'd realize after, going through this post. > > I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeatedand grave > provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting > all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues > that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why > we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time > engaging with the process, in the first place. > > I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those > who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me > publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without > a minimal comment from me.I wish to assure global civil society that our > views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple > interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work > across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my > colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the > situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real > challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we > focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant > oppurtunity for change. > > In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an > amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless > innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these > issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My > interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would > reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in > India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and > respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their > websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India > IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the > MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine > capturedare in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also > appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the > knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from > the floor. > > My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and > communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my > blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/* > > Now Iask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said > article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from > Indian CS- was it appropriate toincludeme in this story related to > surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than > to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed.As identified in > Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is > manipulative on multiple levels and makesseveral inaccurate assertions. > > Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you > that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and aharbinger > of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based > on this article. > > I submit the following for your consideration:the portions in italics > are direct quotes from the same article. > > . > > a. /“//Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed > Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” ./ > > You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, > this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to > the effect is missing fromthe story. I challenge anyone to put out any > evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for > me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is > quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into > question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious > even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder > Jeet singh repeatedly continuesto make. Despite a clarification on the > 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General > Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. > > > > b. “/Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T > official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:/ > > > > / /I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *_coach and > Mentor other proposals_*and IGF should limit it’s own”. > > Inline images 1 > > In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting > evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at > the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from > the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my > “coach and mentor”. > > c. “/She was also paid upwards of //Rs.// //2.3 lakh for her role at > a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also > received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. > This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a > civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and > corporate bodies”./ > > He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), > payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of > interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a > reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference > secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and > camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related > hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my > extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session > organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite > of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association > was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI > (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that > both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of > civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said > letter. > > > This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for > advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This > is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would > shy away from. > > Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, > charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film > and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public > domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of > privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human > rights. > > d. /Ph.D/: ** > > *Can a **mere research studentship**,**which I am still > pursuing**,****be**the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?*It > was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my > character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say > sorry”, to her for the offenseI had not committed and continue with her. > > With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly > manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I > have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. * > * > > *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has > ever**been given to me and hence no action has been taken against > me,*detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to > deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT > has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I.And my PhD. is well > underway.// > > // > > /*The letter of notable members of civil society.*/// > > The CS letter from Indiacarried the support of 10 individuals+1 author, > some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked > with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir,Anja Kovacs, > Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of > 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me > where Parminder was present through out. It is full of > misrepresentation.Their claimsare absurd that: > > /1- They don’t know me/// > > /2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space./// > > /3. They don’t know how to reach me//./// > > /4. And I do not teach IG/ > > *My Response**:*** > > Ø *Not only do they know me quite well*** > > Ø *We have hosted joint events, *** > > Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, *** > > Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, *** > > Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, *** > > Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, *** > > Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues > and events on IG, *** > > Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. *** > > Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated > and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. *** > > Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone *** > > Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my > inputs on their drafts. *** > > I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the > IG space with all of them individually or collectively. ** > > > The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by > > Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of > the CS letter), > > Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), > > Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- > co-signatory), > > Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), > > Ø Media For Change( represented by me) > > Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). > > Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions > and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal > response. > > > > > ​ > > > > More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden > this list)- > > One of the recent multistakeholder meetingon IGthat I co-organized > including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the > Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated > on many occasions and oftentake same positions publicly), was on the > 29^th January, 2014. > > > > Where I worked with > > > > 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) > > 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh > > 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan > > 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs > > > > > ​ > > _ > > > > * > * > > *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:*** > > > > Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked > for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet > Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS > fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, RishabBailey the > author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC > (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently > represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who > is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented > on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are > respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other > IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. > > > > CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple > panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and > at the CIS website > > http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi > > > They are all signatories to the letter. > > > > *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written tome, or > supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again > for reposing yourfaith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all > times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * > > > Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the > journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and > unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for > the work that my colleagues do. > > > I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in > Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with > any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate > in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the > best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG > ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, > which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation > and connects the unconnected. > > > More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for > ready reference* > > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 > > I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are > being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document > will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in > Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have > also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a > multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. > > Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have > you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both > profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to > emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace > building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply > inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national > and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a > fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of > us but let's put our best foot forward. > > Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. > > Safe travels, all. > > > Warmest, > > > Subi > ---- > > Subi Chaturvedi > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > Delhi University, India > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > Convenor WG-India IGF > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > Media For Change > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > The Saltlist > > www.thesaltlist.org > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > PhD. Scholar, > > Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi > > > > PS: > > > Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot > ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of > speech and expression: > > * > * > > *IG specific Roles:* > > > > 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) > fellowship for IG 2014-2015 > > 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 > > 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG > > 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 > > 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 > > 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 > > 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation > IGF 2013 > > 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of > Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 > > 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 > > 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 > > *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and > national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives > on information and communication especially for under-represented > stakeholder groups in IG.* > > * > * > > I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my > contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. > > > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 > > > I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not > limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law > and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant > Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of > Delhi University. > > I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in > mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the > NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central > universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt > and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-Das a part time registered > PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking > full classes and contributing to the College immensely. > > My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of > India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the > 18^th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here > > http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece > > It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. > > An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of > Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the > documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and > expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha > Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India). > > http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html > > The position that I often take isagainst corporatization and control of > the media including the Internet by a few,be they governments, private > sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil > society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and > substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF > website. > > *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in > this academic year 2013-2014:* > > My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead > opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on > why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. > > _http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece_ > > My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on > freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was > screened at theIIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the > prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and > Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, > were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. > > > In recognition of _my _*_contribution to Internet and society_*_,_I been > awarded: > > 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), > > Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. > > 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two > stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF > MAG, for the second consecutive term. > > 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder > Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. > > 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of > the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, > Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG > (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance > Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. > > 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed > on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and > regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- > Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for > it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of > India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also > organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as > a panelist. > > 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will > Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general > election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and > eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), > New Delhi. > > 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in > promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. > > 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of > Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF > foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, > STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of > the letter. > > 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New > Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would > reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is > online with our interventions and images together. > > 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a > democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and > lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. > Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. > Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. > > 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder > panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet > Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A > Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional > and national Internet & ICT initiatives. > > 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth > -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital > Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. > > 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on > national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women > safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. > > 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- > Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they > mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan > eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, > Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. > > 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on > “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global > leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical > community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. > > 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The > Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for > us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical > community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to > share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly > prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. > > 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth > leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. > > 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the > Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institutionwith over 300 youth > delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the > media on the role of media and youth in election 2014particularly the > impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying > participation of the youth. > > 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training > workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies > on social media. > > 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young > leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This > was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held > on the world internet day. > > 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on > Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of > the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. > > 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the > on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the > youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A > NASSCOM initiative). > > 23) I am a member of the International Association for > Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). > > > > > warmest > > Subi > ---- > > Subi Chaturvedi > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > Delhi University, India > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > > Convenor WG-India IGF > > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > Media For Change > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > The Saltlist > > www.thesaltlist.org > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > PhD. Scholar, > > Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Fri Apr 18 09:30:23 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:00:23 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <01c701cf5b0a$5cc9bfc0$165d3f40$@hserus.net> Ian, do send me your address. I came across Alladin's lamp in an old flea market, and its genie is about the only way you'll ever get three such wishes fulfilled. > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance- > request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Carlos A. Afonso > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 6:56 PM > To: Ian Peter; Subi Chaturvedi; governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial > related concerns raised by colleagues from India > > Absolutely agree with Ian, including the three wishes. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 04/18/2014 12:48 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Subi, > > > > It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. > > I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will > > help to eventually clear the air. > > > > My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you > > will continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested > > in internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others > > have discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with > > different perspectives here is important, and leads to more > > constructive and valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. > > Whatever the reactions to your post are, I hope you continue to engage > here. > > > > My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a > > way to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and > > perhaps not immediate, but it is important we do so. > > > > My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to > fruition! > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > *From:* Subi Chaturvedi > > *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM > > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related > > concerns raised by colleagues from India > > > > > > Dear CS colleagues and friends, > > > > > > This has reference to the article published in HT on 8^th April, 2014 > > which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. > > > > At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me > > showing solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on > > wrong, misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a > > perverse mind, as you'd realize after, going through this post. > > > > I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeatedand grave > > provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and > > disrupting all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the > > key issues that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The > > reason why we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of > > time engaging with the process, in the first place. > > > > I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those > > who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me > > publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position > > without a minimal comment from me.I wish to assure global civil > > society that our views are being shared, represented and recognised. I > > have made multiple interventions on the calls as well as over emails > > and continue to work across time zones to ensure that our views are > > reflected. Anriette, my colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly > > balanced assessment of the situation though, and I completely agree > > with her, we have real challenges ahead of us. I think our time would > > be utilised better if we focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I > > see a significant oppurtunity for change. > > > > In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an > > amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless > > innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for > > these issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My > > interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would > > reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in > > India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and > > respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their > > websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last > > India IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also > > on the MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine > > capturedare in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also > > appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with > > the knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus > > from the floor. > > > > My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media > > and communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found > > on my blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/* > > > > Now Iask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said > > article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators > > from Indian CS- was it appropriate toincludeme in this story related > > to surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other > > than to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed.As identified > > in Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the > > article is manipulative on multiple levels and makesseveral inaccurate > assertions. > > > > Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of > > you that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and > > aharbinger of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian > > media based on this article. > > > > I submit the following for your consideration:the portions in italics > > are direct quotes from the same article. > > > > . > > > > a. /“//Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed > > Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” ./ > > > > You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were > > hyperlinked, this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and > > any proof to the effect is missing fromthe story. I challenge anyone > > to put out any evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing > > any advocacy for me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or > > on the MAG. It is quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should > > be called into question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. > > However malicious even the article does not make this extrapolation > > that Mr. Parminder Jeet singh repeatedly continuesto make. Despite a > > clarification on the 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished > > academician and General Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. > > > > > > > > b. “/Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T > > official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:/ > > > > > > > > / /I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *_coach and > > Mentor other proposals_*and IGF should limit it’s own”. > > > > Inline images 1 > > > > In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting > > evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment > > at the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals > > from the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being > > my “coach and mentor”. > > > > c. “/She was also paid upwards of //Rs.// //2.3 lakh for her role at > > a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also > > received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. > > This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a > > civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and > > corporate bodies”./ > > > > He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), > > payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of > > interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a > > reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference > > secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material > > and camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related > > hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my > > extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session > > organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite > > of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry > > association was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining > > by NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but > > hid that both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to > > scores of civil society representatives, including to some who > > authored the said letter. > > > > > > This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money > > for advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". > > This is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists > > would shy away from. > > > > Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of > > interest”, charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, > > videos, film and TV interviews given to him and easily available in > > the public domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, > > invasion of privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression > > and human rights. > > > > d. /Ph.D/: ** > > > > *Can a **mere research studentship**,**which I am still > > pursuing**,****be**the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?*It > > was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my > > character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say > > sorry”, to her for the offenseI had not committed and continue with her. > > > > With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist > > grossly manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately > > obfuscating that I have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong > > doing”. * > > * > > > > *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has > > ever**been given to me and hence no action has been taken against > > me,*detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to > > deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT > > has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I.And my PhD. is > > well underway.// > > > > // > > > > /*The letter of notable members of civil society.*/// > > > > The CS letter from Indiacarried the support of 10 individuals+1 > > author, some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I > > have worked with most who are in this space including Parminder, > > Prabir,Anja Kovacs, Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, > > Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a > > national conference on IG with me where Parminder was present through > > out. It is full of misrepresentation.Their claimsare absurd that: > > > > /1- They don’t know me/// > > > > /2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space./// > > > > /3. They don’t know how to reach me//./// > > > > /4. And I do not teach IG/ > > > > *My Response**:*** > > > > Ø *Not only do they know me quite well*** > > > > Ø *We have hosted joint events, *** > > > > Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, > > *** > > > > Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, *** > > > > Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, *** > > > > Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, *** > > > > Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues > > and events on IG, *** > > > > Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. *** > > > > Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated > > and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. *** > > > > Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone *** > > > > Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my > > inputs on their drafts. *** > > > > I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the > > IG space with all of them individually or collectively. ** > > > > > > The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by > > > > Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author > > of the CS letter), > > > > Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), > > > > Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- > > co-signatory), > > > > Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), > > > > Ø Media For Change( represented by me) > > > > Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). > > > > Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and > > discussions and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the > > ITRs formal response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden > > this list)- > > > > One of the recent multistakeholder meetingon IGthat I co-organized > > including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the > > Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and > > collaborated on many occasions and oftentake same positions publicly), > > was on the 29^th January, 2014. > > > > > > > > Where I worked with > > > > > > > > 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) > > > > 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh > > > > 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth > > Sugathan > > > > 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja > > Kovacs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > * > > * > > > > *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:*** > > > > > > > > Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also > > worked for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder > > Jeet Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS > > fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, RishabBailey the > > author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC > > (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently > > represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) > > who is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM > > represented on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All > > these are respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and > > many other IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. > > > > > > > > CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple > > panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online > > and at the CIS website > > > > http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi > > > > > > They are all signatories to the letter. > > > > > > > > *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written tome, or > > supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again > > for reposing yourfaith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all > > times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * > > > > > > Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the > > journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and > > unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect > > for the work that my colleagues do. > > > > > > I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in > > Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with > > any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to > > participate in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to > > work to the best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution > > of the IG ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free > > and open, which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless > > innovation and connects the unconnected. > > > > > > More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here > > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > > > > and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here > > for ready reference* > > > > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.int > > govforum.org&es_sm=91 > > > > I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are > > being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document > > will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in > > Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have > > also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be > > a multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. > > > > Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have > > you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both > > profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to > > emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace > > building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and > > deeply inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of > > national and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We > > have a fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb > > for all of us but let's put our best foot forward. > > > > Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. > > > > Safe travels, all. > > > > > > Warmest, > > > > > > Subi > > ---- > > > > Subi Chaturvedi > > > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > > > Delhi University, India > > > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > > > > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > > > > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > > Convenor WG-India IGF > > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > > > Media For Change > > > > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > > > The Saltlist > > > > www.thesaltlist.org > > > > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > > > > PhD. Scholar, > > > > Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi > > > > > > > > PS: > > > > > > Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s > > snapshot ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ > > freedom of speech and expression: > > > > * > > * > > > > *IG specific Roles:* > > > > > > > > 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) > > fellowship for IG 2014-2015 > > > > 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 > > > > 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG > > > > 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 > > > > 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 > > > > 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 > > > > 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation > > IGF 2013 > > > > 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of > > Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 > > > > 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 > > > > 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 > > > > *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and > > national Internet governance processes and capacity building > > initiatives on information and communication especially for > > under-represented stakeholder groups in IG.* > > > > * > > * > > > > I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my > > contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. > > > > > > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.int > > govforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum > > .org&start=0 > > > > > > I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but > > not limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and > > Media, Law and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of > > Assistant Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, > > part of Delhi University. > > > > I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in > > mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared > > the NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central > > universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt > > and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-Das a part time registered > > PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking > > full classes and contributing to the College immensely. > > > > My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of > > India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on > > the 18^th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be > > accessed here > > > > http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/articl > > e5699615.ece > > > > It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. > > > > An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of > > Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and > > the documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and > > expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha > > Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India). > > > > http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html > > > > The position that I often take isagainst corporatization and control > > of the media including the Internet by a few,be they governments, > > private sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, > > civil society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and > > substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the > > IGF website. > > > > *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in > > this academic year 2013-2014:* > > > > My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead > > opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on > > why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. > > > > _http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-int > > ernet/article5700871.ece_ > > > > My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film > > on freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was > > screened at theIIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at > > the prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods > > and Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace > > Project’, were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. > > > > > > In recognition of _my _*_contribution to Internet and society_*_,_I > > been > > awarded: > > > > 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), > > > > Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. > > > > 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two > > stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations > > –IGF MAG, for the second consecutive term. > > > > 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder > > Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. > > > > 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of > > the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, > > Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG > > (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet > > Governance > > Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. > > > > 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed > > on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and > > regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- > > Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator > > for it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of > > India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also > > organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism > > as a panelist. > > > > 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will > > Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general > > election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government > > and eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre > > (IIC), New Delhi. > > > > 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in > > promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. > > > > 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of > > Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF > > foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, > > STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory > > of the letter. > > > > 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New > > Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would > > reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is > > online with our interventions and images together. > > > > 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a > > democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and > > lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. > > Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. > > Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. > > > > 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder > > panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet > > Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A > > Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional > > and national Internet & ICT initiatives. > > > > 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth > > -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online > > Digital Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. > > > > 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on > > national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, > > women safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. > > > > 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- > > Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they > > mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan > > eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan > > Duggal, Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. > > > > 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on > > “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global > > leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical > > community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. > > > > 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The > > Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for > > us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical > > community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to > > share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly > > prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. > > > > 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth > > leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. > > > > 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the > > Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institutionwith over 300 youth > > delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the > > media on the role of media and youth in election 2014particularly the > > impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying > > participation of the youth. > > > > 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training > > workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies > > on social media. > > > > 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young > > leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This > > was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and > > held on the world internet day. > > > > 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on > > Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of > > the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. > > > > 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the > > on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the > > youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A > > NASSCOM initiative). > > > > 23) I am a member of the International Association for > > Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). > > > > > > > > > > warmest > > > > Subi > > ---- > > > > Subi Chaturvedi > > > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > > > Delhi University, India > > > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > > > > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > > > > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > > > > Convenor WG-India IGF > > > > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > > > Media For Change > > > > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > > > The Saltlist > > > > www.thesaltlist.org > > > > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > > > > PhD. Scholar, > > > > Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:27:25 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:27:25 +0100 Subject: [governance] FW: [liberationtech] Save Mexico's Internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08ce01cf5b12$52500ab0$f6f02010$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: liberationtech [mailto:liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Yosem Companys Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 3:48 AM To: Liberation Technologies Cc: Bernardo Gutiérrez Subject: [liberationtech] Save Mexico's Internet From: "Bernardo Gutiérrez" I write to this list to communicate the urgency of helping Mexico's activist and civil society with the new Internet Law that president Peña Nieto wants to approve. The new draft Mexican Telecom law is horrible, administrative censorship + NOT neutrality including commercial prioritization + terrible data retention!! A new enclosure of the commons. Here you have the Open Letter for supporting civil society fight against the law. It would be fantastic to have your support. You can send the letter to jacobo at gnu.org. It has to be sent before Tuesday night on Twitter, the most popular HT are #DefenderInternet #NoMasPoderAlPoder. Best Bernardo -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at companys at stanford.edu. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 11:05:45 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:05:45 -0500 Subject: [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with > multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright > manner anywhere in the document. I believer the opposite to be true. You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old existing governance model of the Internet with a version of Westphalianism. -- McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri Apr 18 11:29:31 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:29:31 -0300 Subject: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy", "participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote: >> >> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with >> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright >> manner anywhere in the document. > > > I believer the opposite to be true. > > You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old > existing governance model of the Internet with a version of > Westphalianism. > > > -- > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at 1net.org > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Fri Apr 18 11:36:12 2014 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:36:12 +0000 Subject: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> ,<535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <55231583e5ac487d9226b8b37a74668f@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> + 1, from a virtual, non-Euiclidean, but I argue, democratic dimension ________________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org on behalf of Carlos A. Afonso Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 11:29 AM To: McTim; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein Cc: 1Net List; ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy", "participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote: >> >> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with >> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright >> manner anywhere in the document. > > > I believer the opposite to be true. > > You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old > existing governance model of the Internet with a version of > Westphalianism. > > > -- > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at 1net.org > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jefsey at jefsey.com Fri Apr 18 12:16:45 2014 From: jefsey at jefsey.com (Jefsey) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 18:16:45 +0200 Subject: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: At 17:29 18/04/2014, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from >Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval >engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy", >"participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and >participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions. Correct. Multistakeholderism is a pre-decision system, like electoral campaigning where every (democracy) or only some candidates (oligarchy) are permitted. The decision process itself can be by vote (democracy), humming - (rough) consensus (e.g. IETF), received order (dictatures), electoral manipulation (fraud), predetermined plan (strategic use), emergence from individual self-decisions (polycracy) In the recent USIG case, the OpenStand, WCIT minority position + Snowden + RFC 6852 + Montevideo + Sao Paulo annoucement + March 14th (NTIA annoucement, I*Leader approbation, Industry support, and Lynn St Amour 35 pages study on the consequences) sequence, this might be a decision by predetermined plan. I have nothing about strategic plans if they are open, for my own good, and fair for all. I am suspicious when they are not transparent (but this may be loyally necessary). I tend to oppose them as inefficient on the long range when they are disloyal, i.e. showing a conflict between disclosed and undisclosed but manifest objectives. I tend to consider policracy as the only realistic way to obtain a decision from the Multitude (i.e. all those having retained their informed self-determination, in the Internet case, the IUsers). jfc >fraternal regards > >--c.a. > >On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote: > >> > >> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with > >> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in > a forthright > >> manner anywhere in the document. > > > > > > I believer the opposite to be true. > > > > You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old > > existing governance model of the Internet with a version of > > Westphalianism. > > > > > > -- > > McTim > > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > discuss mailing list > > discuss at 1net.org > > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Fri Apr 18 13:09:00 2014 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:09:00 -0700 Subject: [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53515C2C.2050503@cavebear.com> On 04/18/2014 08:05 AM, McTim wrote: >> >> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with >> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright >> manner anywhere in the document. > > I believer the opposite to be true. > > You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old > existing governance model of the Internet with a version of > Westphalianism. My own view is that the atomic unit of governance ought to be the living, breathing human. And for any given question of governance each person, only only natural persons, should get exactly one unit (vote) of decision making power. In other words, one person, one vote. I find "stakeholder" pernicious for several reasons: - It recognizes collections of people (such as trade groups or technical bodies or governments) as having power in the making of decisions. It is useful and proper to draw upon the expertise of these groups. However, by giving them a role in the making of decisions the power of the human participants is diluted, potentially to the point of becoming irrelevant.) - Each individual person is a cauldron in which competing interests are resolved. As such, individual people are able to reconcile differences with others and make compromises. Stakeholder groups, on the other hand, tend to be issue focused and are less able to be flexible and make compromises. This leads to situations in which possible compromises and solutions that could be reached in a system of individuals are made difficult, even impossible, because of the presence of stakeholder interest groups. - A system based on "stakeholders" gives greater voice to those who have been pre-designated as "stakeholders" and lesser voice to those who have not been granted that status. This creates a system of haves and have nots that creates resentment, tensions, and a built-in bias for certain courses of action and against others. One person, one vote has its problems - there are a lot of people who are ill informed and there are a lot of people who are now willing or able to make good choices how to use their power in the making of governance decisions. But history has shown us that systems based on financial interest, claimed expertise, beneficence, class, or the sword are systems that have not resulted in better choices or demonstrated more flexible or creative solutions. As for replacing "the 40 year old existing governance model of the Internet" - I have been a part of that model ever since I first met the very nascent net in 1968. It is an acceptable model for developing technical standards where the conflict among points of view are of a technical nature and the class of people with competing views tend to arise from the same social contexts and are seeking similar goals. That kind of uniformity does not obtain in the larger context of internet governance. In other words, the models of technical governance as expressed via bodies such as the IETF, do not scale. --karl-- -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 13:43:55 2014 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:43:55 -0300 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: hubs and remote participation Message-ID: Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for remote participation in NETmundial. The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and that will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring remote participants in on very fair grounds. If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to follow NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. Best wishes, Marilia -- *Marília Maciel* Pesquisadora Gestora Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts DiploFoundation associate www.diplomacy.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Callo Romero Miembro Fundador de ISOC- Chapter Peru Presidente Organizador internautaperu.org Marilia Maciel escribió: > Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for > remote participation in NETmundial. > > The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: > http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ > > Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure > that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and that > will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring > remote participants in on very fair grounds. > > If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to follow > NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching > experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of > course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. > > Best wishes, > Marilia > > > -- > *Marília Maciel* > Pesquisadora Gestora > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio > > Researcher and Coordinator > Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School > http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts > > DiploFoundation associate > www.diplomacy.edu -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From drc at virtualized.org Fri Apr 18 14:35:42 2014 From: drc at virtualized.org (David Conrad) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:35:42 -0700 Subject: [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael, On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document. Assuming you're talking about Internet governance, "to replace democratic governance" implies that it exists (or at least has). Can you explain why you believe this? Regards, -drc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you applied, maybe the information is just missing from the website, that's all. Best, Marilia On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM, wrote: > Distinguida Marilia > Previo saludo, ¿que paso?, porque no han considerado al Perú. > Muchas gracias > Atentamente > Jose F. Callo Romero > Miembro Fundador de ISOC- Chapter Peru > Presidente Organizador > internautaperu.org > > Marilia Maciel escribió: > > Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for >> remote participation in NETmundial. >> >> The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: >> http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ >> >> Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure >> that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and that >> will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring >> remote participants in on very fair grounds. >> >> If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to follow >> NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching >> experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of >> course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. >> >> Best wishes, >> Marilia >> >> >> -- >> *Marília Maciel* >> >> Pesquisadora Gestora >> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio >> >> Researcher and Coordinator >> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School >> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts >> >> DiploFoundation associate >> www.diplomacy.edu >> > > > > -- *Marília Maciel* Pesquisadora Gestora Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts DiploFoundation associate www.diplomacy.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Fri Apr 18 16:07:35 2014 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:07:35 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document In-Reply-To: <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <534F3568.6050605@itforchange.net> <638ABDFBC806453391950C3827E5778A@Toshiba> <554BE7A5-5E4D-4D19-A298-6E5A6ED64966@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <53518607.2030001@eff.org> I read the opinion and its a good one but won't do the job in and on itself vis-a-vis mass surveillance. Its important to cite also the principles, which have a strong language on proportionality, necessity, adequacy and legitimate aim. In other words, vis-a-vis human rights law. Data protection is important and I think it would complement nicely to add one together with the Principles. And I'm indeed citing this Article 29 paper on our legal background paper of the Principles, and also their 2007 opinion on the concept of personal data. On 04/16/2014 10:54 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing out the > recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working party. Perhaps it > would be useful to cite it. > Opinion 04/2014 on "Surveillance of electronic communications for > intelligence and national security purposes(336 kB) > > Choose translations of the previous link" - WP 215 > > http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/index_en.htm#h2-1 > Stephanie Perrin > On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of that). What I would like >> to see is sufficient comments and some suggestions that might provoke >> a discussion during the meeting rather than the words quietly being >> accepted. I suggested elsewhere perhaps we could call for an immediate >> cessation of all surveillance that did not accord with human rights >> provisions and privacy norms. I would just like to see which >> governments put up their hand to oppose an inclusion along those lines. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> *From:* parminder >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59 AM >> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document >> >> >> On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph >>> dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads >>> “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines >>> trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. >>> Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the >>> collection of personal data, including mass surveillance, >>> interception and collection should be conducted in accordance with >>> states’ obligations under international human rights law. More >>> dialogue is needed on this topic at the international level using >>> forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to develop a >>> common understanding on all the related aspects”. >>> >>> This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not >>> surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) >>> into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where >>> I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. >> >> >> You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' was >> there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the chances >> then it will be reinstated at your request? >> >> parminder >> >>> >>> I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. >>> Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps >>> governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would >>> strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and >>> indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on >>> the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an adequate >>> wording would be useful! >>> >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> The site for entering responses is >>> http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Stephanie On 2014-04-18, at 4:07 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > I read the opinion and its a good one but won't do the job in and on > itself vis-a-vis mass surveillance. Its important to cite also the > principles, which have a strong language on proportionality, necessity, > adequacy and legitimate aim. In other words, vis-a-vis human rights law. > Data protection is important and I think it would complement nicely to > add one together with the Principles. > > And I'm indeed citing this Article 29 paper on our legal background > paper of the Principles, and also their 2007 opinion on the concept of > personal data. > > > > > On 04/16/2014 10:54 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >> I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing out the >> recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working party. Perhaps it >> would be useful to cite it. >> Opinion 04/2014 on "Surveillance of electronic communications for >> intelligence and national security purposes(336 kB) >> >> Choose translations of the previous link" - WP 215 >> >> http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/index_en.htm#h2-1 >> Stephanie Perrin >> On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >> >>> I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of that). What I would like >>> to see is sufficient comments and some suggestions that might provoke >>> a discussion during the meeting rather than the words quietly being >>> accepted. I suggested elsewhere perhaps we could call for an immediate >>> cessation of all surveillance that did not accord with human rights >>> provisions and privacy norms. I would just like to see which >>> governments put up their hand to oppose an inclusion along those lines. >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> *From:* parminder >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59 AM >>> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document >>> >>> >>> On Thursday 17 April 2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> To me one of the weakest sections of the document is the paragraph >>>> dealing with surveillance issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads >>>> “ Internet surveillance – Mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines >>>> trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem. >>>> Surveillance of communications, their interception, and the >>>> collection of personal data, including mass surveillance, >>>> interception and collection should be conducted in accordance with >>>> states’ obligations under international human rights law. More >>>> dialogue is needed on this topic at the international level using >>>> forums like IGF and the Human Rights Council aiming to develop a >>>> common understanding on all the related aspects”. >>>> >>>> This fairly weak language and action line (more dialogue) is not >>>> surprising given the governmental input (including US Government) >>>> into the drafting. So far the only comment on this is from me, where >>>> I suggest reference to the necessaryandproportionate.org principles. >>> >>> >>> You of course know that reference to 'necessary and proportionate' was >>> there in the original draft and it got removed... What are the chances >>> then it will be reinstated at your request? >>> >>> parminder >>> >>>> >>>> I think it would be useful if others commented as individuals. >>>> Perhaps what we need is some better wording (which perhaps >>>> governments would be embarrassed not to include), and which would >>>> strengthen the response here. In any case, some wording and >>>> indication of level of concern to ensure that this is discussed on >>>> the floor of the meeting rather than simply passed by as an adequate >>>> wording would be useful! >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> The site for entering responses is >>>> http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > -- > Katitza Rodriguez > International Rights Director > Electronic Frontier Foundation > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 16:20:32 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 21:20:32 +0100 Subject: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <0a2101cf5b43$a821af30$f8650d90$@gmail.com> Thanks c.a. And remembering that in an earlier distant life I was a sociologist. Perhaps you could elaborate on what you have written below... I really don't see how having self-selected "stakeholders" sitting around a table making deals/decisions that affect themselves (and their interests) and everyone else (most of whom would have no real opportunity to function as "stakeholders" whether through exclusionary practices of existing stakeholders or because of a lack of resources etc.) can in any sense be "made" democratic. But I could be wrong. M -----Original Message----- From: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:30 PM To: McTim; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein Cc: 1Net List; ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy", "participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote: >> >> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with >> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a >> forthright manner anywhere in the document. > > > I believer the opposite to be true. > > You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old > existing governance model of the Internet with a version of > Westphalianism. > > > -- > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at 1net.org > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 16:29:10 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 21:29:10 +0100 Subject: [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0a5601cf5b44$dbe622f0$93b268d0$@gmail.com> David (and McTim I believe I responded to your comments in my reply to Mike Roberts "a strong case has been made for multistakeholder processes in the governance of the technical aspects of the Internet. However, much of the NetMundial discussion is concerning the governance of activities which take place "on" the Internet (such as surveillance for example)". (In ICANN's onionskin model of the Internet this would correspond to the "content", "social" and (I would argue the unreasonably overlooked) "economic" layers where traditional democratic governance structures and processes have a long and valuable history. For these layers, MSism would seem to be little more than an attempt by various corporate forces to get a seat at the table (and thus a dominant position) in decision making and efforts by certain governments to ensure them of these opportunities. M From: David Conrad [mailto:drc at virtualized.org] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:36 PM To: michael gurstein Cc: 1Net List; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Michael, On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, michael gurstein wrote: Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document. Assuming you're talking about Internet governance, "to replace democratic governance" implies that it exists (or at least has). Can you explain why you believe this? Regards, -drc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it's necessary to remember the first paragraph of the proposed NetMundial Internet Principles which I quote below in red. And I ask the question from the standpoint of the user - there are now nearly 3 billion of us which makes us the largest group, and a significant proportion of those 3 billion will be excluded. Deirdre - *Multistakeholder*: with the full participation of governments, the private sector, civil society, the technical community, academia and the users in their respective roles and responsibilities. On 18 April 2014 14:48, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Hello Jose, I will put you in touch with the Secretariat, ok? If you > applied, maybe the information is just missing from the website, that's all. > Best, > Marilia > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM, wrote: > >> Distinguida Marilia >> Previo saludo, ¿que paso?, porque no han considerado al Perú. >> Muchas gracias >> Atentamente >> Jose F. Callo Romero >> Miembro Fundador de ISOC- Chapter Peru >> Presidente Organizador >> internautaperu.org >> >> Marilia Maciel escribió: >> >> Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for >>> remote participation in NETmundial. >>> >>> The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: >>> http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ >>> >>> Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure >>> that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and >>> that >>> will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring >>> remote participants in on very fair grounds. >>> >>> If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to >>> follow >>> NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching >>> experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of >>> course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Marilia >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Marília Maciel* >>> >>> Pesquisadora Gestora >>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio >>> >>> Researcher and Coordinator >>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School >>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts >>> >>> DiploFoundation associate >>> www.diplomacy.edu >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Marília Maciel* > Pesquisadora Gestora > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio > > Researcher and Coordinator > Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School > http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts > > DiploFoundation associate > www.diplomacy.edu > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 17:10:40 2014 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:40:40 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > Subi, > > It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. I > am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help to > eventually clear the air. > > My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will > continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in > internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have > discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different > perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and > valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to > your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. > > My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way to > move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not > immediate, but it is important we do so. > > My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to > fruition! > > Ian Peter > > > > *From:* Subi Chaturvedi > *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related > concerns raised by colleagues from India > > > Dear CS colleagues and friends, > > > This has reference to the article published in HT on 8th April, 2014 > which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. > > At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing > solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, > misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, as > you'd realize after, going through this post. > > I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeated and grave > provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting all > attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues that > concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why we've > invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time engaging with > the process, in the first place. > > I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those who > have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me publicly on > this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without a minimal > comment from me. I wish to assure global civil society that our views are > being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple > interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work > across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my > colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the > situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real challenges > ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we focus on the > issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant oppurtunity for change. > > In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an > amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless > innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these > issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My interventions > are available publicly and a basic name search would reveal my > interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in India. Many of > these national meetings have been with my friends and respected colleagues > from civil society in India and remain on their websites or any outreach > platforms of communication. At the last India IGF MAG meeting where three > of the co-signatories, who are also on the MAG, made interventions with me. > Their interventions and mine captured are in the official minutes. In the > same meeting I was also appointed as the convenor of the Working group of > the India IGF with the knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and > with consensus from the floor. > > My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and > communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my > blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > * > > Now I ask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said > article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from > Indian CS- was it appropriate to include me in this story related to > surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than > to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed. As identified in > Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is > manipulative on multiple levels and makes several inaccurate assertions. > > Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you > that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and a harbinger > of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based on > this article. > > I submit the following for your consideration: the portions in italics > are direct quotes from the same article. > > . > > a. *“**Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed > Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” .* > > You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, this > allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to the > effect is missing from the story. I challenge anyone to put out any > evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for me > to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is quite > unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into question. > Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious even the > article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder Jeet singh > repeatedly continues to make. Despite a clarification on the 4th of > April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General Chair of > the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. > > > > b. “*Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T official, > Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:* > > > > I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *coach and Mentor > other proposals* and IGF should limit it’s own”. > > [image: Inline images 1] > > In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting > evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at > the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from > the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my “coach > and mentor”. > > c. “*She was also paid upwards of **Rs.* *2.3 lakh for her role at a > FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also > received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. > This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a civil > society representative, but accepted payments from industry and corporate > bodies”.* > > He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), > payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of > interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a > reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference > secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and > camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related hardware > and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my extensive > contribution to the conference as a speaker and session organizer on a pro > bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite of knowing that the > travel assistance given by the industry association was contributed by ISOC > (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI (National Internet Exchange of > India). He already knew but hid that both organisations routinely provide > travel assistance to scores of civil society representatives, including to > some who authored the said letter. > > > This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for > advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This > is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would shy > away from. > > Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, > charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film and > TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public domain, as my > firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of privacy, and > violation of freedom of speech and expression and human rights. > > d. *Ph.D* : > > *Can a **mere research studentship**,** which I am still pursuing**,* *be** > the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?* It was used only to put > an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my character assassination. I > preferred to change my guide then to “say sorry”, to her for the offenseI had not committed and continue with her. > > With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly > manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I have > steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. > > *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has ever** > been given to me and hence no action has been taken against me,* detailed > evidence was given to the journalist who chose to deliberately ignore it in > order to convey a premeditated message. IIT has the highest ethical code > of conduct and so do I. And my PhD. is well underway. > > > > *The letter of notable members of civil society.* > > The CS letter from India carried the support of 10 individuals +1 author, > some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked > with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir, Anja Kovacs, > Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of 10. > Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me where > Parminder was present through out. It is full of misrepresentation. Their > claims are absurd that: > > *1- They don’t know me* > > *2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space.* > > *3. They don’t know how to reach me**.* > > *4. And I do not teach IG* > > *My Response**:* > > Ø *Not only do they know me quite well* > > Ø *We have hosted joint events, * > > Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, * > > Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, * > > Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, * > > Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, * > > Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues > and events on IG, * > > Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. * > > Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated > and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. * > > Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone * > > Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my inputs > on their drafts. * > > I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the IG > space with all of them individually or collectively. > > > The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by > > Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of > the CS letter), > > Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), > > Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- > co-signatory), > > Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), > > Ø Media For Change( represented by me) > > Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). > > Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions > and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal > response. > > > > > ​ > > > > More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden > this list)- > > One of the recent multistakeholder meeting on IG that I co-organized > including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the > Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated on > many occasions and often take same positions publicly), was on the 29thJanuary, 2014. > > > > Where I worked with > > > > 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) > > 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh > > 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth > Sugathan > > 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs > > > > > ​ > > > > > *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:* > > > > Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked > for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet Singh, Ms. > Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS fellow), Mr. Sunil > Abraham is the director of CIS, Rishab Bailey the author of the CS > letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC (another co-signatory) > and is now representing SKC which is currently represented on this letter by > Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who is also associated formally as > an office bearer with the SFM represented on the letter by Mr. Kiran > Chandra (co-signatory). All these are respected colleagues and have worked > with me on the ITRs and many other IG related workshops and panels as > mentioned above. > > > > CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple > panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and at > the CIS website > > http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi > > > They are all signatories to the letter. > > > > *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written to me, or > supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again for > reposing your faith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all times > the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * > > > Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the journalist > who may have been involved in this unfortunate and unwarranted personal > attack. I continue to have the highest respect for the work that my > colleagues do. > > > I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in Sao > Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with any > questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate in any > meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the best of my > ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG ecosphere so that > we have an internet, which remains free and open, which amplifies human > rights and allows for permissionless innovation and connects the > unconnected. > > > More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for > ready reference* > > > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 > > I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are being > taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document will > reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in Brazil from > the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have also done > commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a > multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. > > Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have you > representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both > profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to emphasize > the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace building and > conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply inspiring work > in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national and regional > initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a fantastic ambassador > in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of us but let's put our > best foot forward. > > Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. > > Safe travels, all. > > > Warmest, > > Subi > ---- > > Subi Chaturvedi > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > Delhi University, India > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > Convenor WG-India IGF > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > Media For Change > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > The Saltlist > > www.thesaltlist.org > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > PhD. Scholar, > > Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi > > > > PS: > > > Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot > ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of > speech and expression: > > > *IG specific Roles:* > > > > 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) > fellowship for IG 2014-2015 > > 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 > > 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG > > 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 > > 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 > > 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 > > 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation > IGF 2013 > > 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of > Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 > > 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 > > 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 > > *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and > national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives on > information and communication especially for under-represented stakeholder > groups in IG.* > > > I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my > contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. > > > > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 > > > I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not > limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law and > Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant Professor at > India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of Delhi University. > > I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in > mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the NET (which > is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central universities in India), while > a final year student in my first attempt and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at > the IIT-D as a part time registered PhD student doing my course work > without leave from LSR, while taking full classes and contributing to the > College immensely. > > My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of India’s > most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the 18th of > February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here > > > http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece > > It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. > > An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of > Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the > documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and > expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India) > . > > http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html > > The position that I often take is against corporatization and control of > the media including the Internet by a few, be they governments, private > sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil > society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and substantive > in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF website. > > *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in this > academic year 2013-2014:* > > My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead > opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on why > India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. > > *http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece > * > > My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on > freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was > screened at the IIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the > prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and > Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, were > exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. > > > In recognition of *my **contribution to Internet and society**,* I been > awarded: > > 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), > > Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. > > 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two > stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF > MAG, for the second consecutive term. > > 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder > Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. > > 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of > the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, Ministry > of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG (Multistakeholder > Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance Forum) to be hosted > by MOC&IT, India. > > 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed > on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and regional > IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- Surveillance and > a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for it). And I also > moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of India’s Open forum > “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also organized and spoke at > the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as a panelist. > > 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will > Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general election > 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and eminent > journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), New Delhi. > > 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in > promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. > > 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of > Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF > foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, STATE > AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of the > letter. > > 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New > Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would > reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is online > with our interventions and images together. > > 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a > democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and lawyers > of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. Chinmayi > Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. > > 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder > panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet > Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A Developing > Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional and national > Internet & ICT initiatives. > > 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth > -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital > Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. > > 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on > national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women > safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. > > 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- > Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they mutually > exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan eminent civil > society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, Prof. Vibodh > Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. > > 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on > “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global leaders > from civil society, industry, government and the technical community at > FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. > > 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The > Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical > community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to share > their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly prepared > by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. > > 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth > leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. > > 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the Aligarh > Muslim University, a minority institution with over 300 youth delegates > from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the media on the > role of media and youth in election 2014 particularly the impact that > social media and the internet can have in amplyfying participation of the > youth. > > 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training > workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies on > social media. > > 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young > leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This was > part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held on the > world internet day. > > 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on > Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of the > young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. > > 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the > on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the > youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A > NASSCOM initiative). > > 23) I am a member of the International Association for > Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). > > > > warmest > > Subi > ---- > > Subi Chaturvedi > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > Delhi University, India > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > > Convenor WG-India IGF > > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > Media For Change > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > The Saltlist > > www.thesaltlist.org > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > PhD. 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I am travelling now, but I think you should make the point in NetMundial document somehow that extending multistakeholderism to all aspects on governance “on the internet” could be problematic and does not have universal agreement. Ian Peter From: michael gurstein Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:29 AM To: 'David Conrad' Cc: '1Net List' ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documentsonline for comment David (and McTim I believe I responded to your comments in my reply to Mike Roberts “a strong case has been made for multistakeholder processes in the governance of the technical aspects of the Internet. However, much of the NetMundial discussion is concerning the governance of activities which take place “on” the Internet (such as surveillance for example)”. (In ICANN’s onionskin model of the Internet this would correspond to the “content”, “social” and (I would argue the unreasonably overlooked) “economic” layers where traditional democratic governance structures and processes have a long and valuable history. For these layers, MSism would seem to be little more than an attempt by various corporate forces to get a seat at the table (and thus a dominant position) in decision making and efforts by certain governments to ensure them of these opportunities. M From: David Conrad [mailto:drc at virtualized.org] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:36 PM To: michael gurstein Cc: 1Net List; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Michael, On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, michael gurstein wrote: Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document. Assuming you're talking about Internet governance, "to replace democratic governance" implies that it exists (or at least has). Can you explain why you believe this? Regards, -drc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at 1net.org http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For this reason a group of people, we are forming INTERNAUTAPERU.ORG We are concerned that our country can not participate. He would beg me know even if is possible. thank you very much attentively Jose F. Callo Romero organizer internautaperu.org presidencia at internautaperu.org jfcallo at ciencitec.com (Spanish) Señorita Carine Ross El problema es que aqui no funciona el Capitulo de ISOC, no se ha respetado la renovacion de directiva, todo se ha hecho de manera tiranica, despota y pesonal. Por esta razon un grupo de personas, estamos formando INTERNAUTAPERU.ORG Nos preocupa que nuestro país no pueda participar. Le rogaria me comunique si aun es posible hacerlo. Muchas gracias Atentamente Jose F. Callo Romero Organizador internautaperu.org presidencia at internautaperu.org jfcallo at ciencitec.com Carine Roos escribió: > Dear Jose, > > We did not receive your remote participation hub proposal. Could you please > re-send us again your application? We may consider adding it as an official > remote hub. But we are very close to the event date, so it may be a bit > more difficult than it's been with the other hubs. > > You can also organize your own hub. Nothing forbids you from gathering your > local community to watch the video stream together and promote a local > internet governance debate. > > best regards > Carine > > *Carine Roos* > *Content* > carine at netmundial.br > +55 (11) 5509-3537 ext. 4104 > > > > 23, 24 – April 2014 – São Paulo, Brazil > *#netmundial2014* > *www.netmundial.org * > > > 2014-04-18 15:48 GMT-03:00 Marilia Maciel : > >> Hello Jose, I will put you in touch with the Secretariat, ok? If you >> applied, maybe the information is just missing from the website, that's all. >> Best, >> Marilia >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM, wrote: >> >>> Distinguida Marilia >>> Previo saludo, ¿que paso?, porque no han considerado al Perú. >>> Muchas gracias >>> Atentamente >>> Jose F. Callo Romero >>> Miembro Fundador de ISOC- Chapter Peru >>> Presidente Organizador >>> internautaperu.org >>> >>> Marilia Maciel escribió: >>> >>> Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for >>>> remote participation in NETmundial. >>>> >>>> The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: >>>> http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ >>>> >>>> Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure >>>> that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and >>>> that >>>> will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring >>>> remote participants in on very fair grounds. >>>> >>>> If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to >>>> follow >>>> NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching >>>> experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of >>>> course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Marilia >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Marília Maciel* >>>> >>>> Pesquisadora Gestora >>>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio >>>> >>>> Researcher and Coordinator >>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School >>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts >>>> >>>> DiploFoundation associate >>>> www.diplomacy.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Marília Maciel* >> Pesquisadora Gestora >> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio >> >> Researcher and Coordinator >> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School >> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts >> >> DiploFoundation associate >> www.diplomacy.edu >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jfcallo at ciencitec.com Fri Apr 18 20:43:04 2014 From: jfcallo at ciencitec.com (jfcallo at ciencitec.com) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:43:04 +0000 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: hubs and remote participation In-Reply-To: References: <20140418182004.Horde.zPBkNa1G0iIM7S1_uwPMDw4@www.ciencitec.com> Message-ID: <20140419004304.Horde.2ijg0UXz13LwlvcmOYXdaQ1@www.ciencitec.com> Distinguida Marilia Muchas gracias Atentamente Jose F. Callo Romero Marilia Maciel escribió: > Hello Jose, I will put you in touch with the Secretariat, ok? If you > applied, maybe the information is just missing from the website, that's all. > Best, > Marilia > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM, wrote: > >> Distinguida Marilia >> Previo saludo, ¿que paso?, porque no han considerado al Perú. >> Muchas gracias >> Atentamente >> Jose F. Callo Romero >> Miembro Fundador de ISOC- Chapter Peru >> Presidente Organizador >> internautaperu.org >> >> Marilia Maciel escribió: >> >> Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for >>> remote participation in NETmundial. >>> >>> The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: >>> http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ >>> >>> Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure >>> that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and that >>> will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring >>> remote participants in on very fair grounds. >>> >>> If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to follow >>> NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching >>> experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of >>> course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Marilia >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Marília Maciel* >>> >>> Pesquisadora Gestora >>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio >>> >>> Researcher and Coordinator >>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School >>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts >>> >>> DiploFoundation associate >>> www.diplomacy.edu >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *Marília Maciel* > Pesquisadora Gestora > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio > > Researcher and Coordinator > Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School > http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts > > DiploFoundation associate > www.diplomacy.edu -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 03:36:49 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 08:36:49 +0100 Subject: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> <0a2101cf5b43$a821af30$f8650d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0c4601cf5ba2$20e630e0$62b292a0$@gmail.com> Greg, Please see my just posted reply to Mike Roberts as the intro to my comments below... In the context of layers #3 and 4 (and an economic layer) of the "onion skin model" where traditionally democratic decision-making processes and norms have prevailed I would ask you to back up your assertions with as you say "facts" as to the 1. the inclusiveness of MS processes as they might apply in this area—i.e. so that they truly reflect the “interests/stakes” of all stakeholders which by now I would expect we would all agree would include virtually all people in the world, and not simply those who have the resources to be able to show up at expensive venues and engage in somewhat technical discussions in English 2. the probity of the internal stakeholder processes—operative and transparent rules of selection, determination of status, internal stakeholder decision making etc. 3. the probity of the MS decision making processes i.e. the rules governing conflict of interest, self-dealing, capture, and so In the absence of some suitable response to the above your assertions as to the usefulness of MSism seems simply to be an example of special pleading. The point about democracy is that it represents at its most basic the determination of matters of public interest by the many rather than the few. If you are arguing that decisions should be made by the (resourced, powerful and networked) few as “stakeholders”, then please have the courage to say so and then we can stop this back and forth and agree to disagree. Your experience as a well-paid English speaking professional able to travel at will is hardly reflective of even a majority of your fellow citizens let alone the rest of the world. Equally your experience as a citizen of a country with a notoriously and increasingly dysfunctional political system is hardly the basis for making assessments of appropriate decision making systems as they might have global impact (it is interesting that your examples of exclusionary maneuvering (“Gerrymandering” and “voter disqualification”) are examples drawn directly from the current US experience with no justification on your part as to how these might be of significance in a global context…). M -----Original Message----- From: Shatan, Gregory S. [mailto:GShatan at ReedSmith.com] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 11:38 PM To: 'michael gurstein'; 'Carlos A. Afonso'; 'McTim'; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net; '1Net List' Subject: RE: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment That's an awful lot of negative judgments/assumptions about stakeholder participants and the multistakeholder decision-making process. You're entitled to your opinions, but these are not facts. And my opinion (formed in part through several years of participation in multistakeholder processes) are quite different ( more or less the opposite of) your opinions. With a different set of judgments/assumptions, one could conclude that MS processes align well with democratic values. That's not to say that any particular practicing MS process is an Olympian ideal, but then again, neither are any practicing democracies that I am aware of. And of course, democracies are full of parties and factions and special interest groups and exclusionary maneuvering (Gerrymandering, voter qualification, etc.) and resource issues. And the policy and implementation issues involved in "democratic" IG would be mind-boggling, and would create new problems without necessarily solving old ones (let's all vote on IPv6!) It might be an interesting theoretical debate or dissertation, but pragmatically speaking the whole MS vs. democracy debate is a big red herring. Greg Shatan -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [ mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf Of michael gurstein Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:21 PM To: 'Carlos A. Afonso'; 'McTim'; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net; '1Net List' Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Thanks c.a. And remembering that in an earlier distant life I was a sociologist. Perhaps you could elaborate on what you have written below... I really don't see how having self-selected "stakeholders" sitting around a table making deals/decisions that affect themselves (and their interests) and everyone else (most of whom would have no real opportunity to function as "stakeholders" whether through exclusionary practices of existing stakeholders or because of a lack of resources etc.) can in any sense be "made" democratic. But I could be wrong. M -----Original Message----- From: Carlos A. Afonso [ mailto:ca at cafonso.ca] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:30 PM To: McTim; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein Cc: 1Net List; ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy", "participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote: >> >> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with >> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a >> forthright manner anywhere in the document. > > > I believer the opposite to be true. > > You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old > existing governance model of the Internet with a version of > Westphalianism. > > > -- > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss at 1net.org > http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at 1net.org http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss * * * This E-mail, along with any attachments, is considered confidential and may well be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. 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M From: Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:08 AM To: michael gurstein Cc: '1Net List'; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documentsonline for comment I agree with your point Michael. I am travelling now, but I think you should make the point in NetMundial document somehow that extending multistakeholderism to all aspects on governance “on the internet” could be problematic and does not have universal agreement. Ian Peter From: michael gurstein Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:29 AM To: 'David Conrad' Cc: '1Net List' ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documentsonline for comment David (and McTim I believe I responded to your comments in my reply to Mike Roberts “a strong case has been made for multistakeholder processes in the governance of the technical aspects of the Internet. However, much of the NetMundial discussion is concerning the governance of activities which take place “on” the Internet (such as surveillance for example)”. (In ICANN’s onionskin model of the Internet this would correspond to the “content”, “social” and (I would argue the unreasonably overlooked) “economic” layers where traditional democratic governance structures and processes have a long and valuable history. For these layers, MSism would seem to be little more than an attempt by various corporate forces to get a seat at the table (and thus a dominant position) in decision making and efforts by certain governments to ensure them of these opportunities. M From: David Conrad [mailto:drc at virtualized.org] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:36 PM To: michael gurstein Cc: 1Net List; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment Michael, On Apr 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, michael gurstein wrote: Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a forthright manner anywhere in the document. Assuming you're talking about Internet governance, "to replace democratic governance" implies that it exists (or at least has). Can you explain why you believe this? Regards, -drc _____ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss at 1net.org http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sat Apr 19 07:15:33 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:15:33 +0900 Subject: [governance] Please comment on NETmundial documents. Message-ID: <58FCF72D-69C6-442E-AB8C-204F090BF1E2@glocom.ac.jp> I think there are about 40 messages in the thread about surveillance. Email to bestbits and IGC mean nothing to the NETmundial meeting. Please also comment on the documents. Surveillance paragraph is Roadmap, paragraph 35. Simple statements, example: I support Ian Peter's comment about that the Necessary and Proportionate principles must be included in this paragraph. Or propose a simple re-write of the paragraph so Necessary and Proportionate principles fit with the existing. Minimal changes to get the point across might be best. Comments close UTC 12:00 April 21st. Please comment now, don't leave until the last minute (who is going to read a flood of comments posted a few hours before deadline?) If you see comments by others you support, say so. And you can disagree. Principles: Roadmap: Adam (individual capacity) -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sat Apr 19 07:22:43 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:22:43 +0900 Subject: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment In-Reply-To: <6A69EFEC-DEE6-4C17-AA6A-9EEF79F72AD9@publicsphereproject.org> References: <2AF6E813-6FD0-42D1-8985-2731BB1BE07E@glocom.ac.jp> <083b01cf5afe$e5bdadc0$b1390940$@gmail.com> <535144DB.7090709@cafonso.ca> <0a2101cf5b43$a821af30$f8650d90$@gmail.com> <6A69EFEC-DEE6-4C17-AA6A-9EEF79F72AD9@publicsphereproject.org> Message-ID: <6D970D2B-CA1C-4A75-ACB7-63F2A5F838CA@glocom.ac.jp> Hi Doug, Hope all's well -- been a long time since we held teleconferences between Evergreen and GLOCOM. If you've not already done so, please take a look at the NETmundial documents A few of the proposed principles are relevant your comments below. The comment period on the documents open until April 21 UTC 12:00. Best, Adam On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Doug Schuler wrote: > > Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a rough approximation of the > degree of democratization that most people would agree with. E.g. > > + The approach should be transparent from beginning to end. > > + The approach should be inclusive from beginning to end. > > + All people should be able to participate as equals from beginning to end. > (For example, If there is no way for people to participate formally — equally — > in the decision-making process, one can't really call a process democratic.) > > These are some minimal characteristics of democracy. > > How do we evaluate the current process — and shouldn't there be > millions if not billions of eyes on this? > > Many of the actions that are being taken will be very difficult > to undue if and when they're found to be ineffective or unjust. > > — Doug > > > Douglas Schuler > douglas at publicsphereproject.org > https://twitter.com/doug_schuler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Public Sphere Project > http://www.publicsphereproject.org/ > > Creating the World Citizen Parliament > http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/creating-the-world-citizen-parliament > > Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (project) > http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv > > Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (book) > http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=11601 > > > On Apr 18, 2014, at 1:20 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > >> Thanks c.a. >> >> And remembering that in an earlier distant life I was a sociologist. Perhaps >> you could elaborate on what you have written below... I really don't see how >> having self-selected "stakeholders" sitting around a table making >> deals/decisions that affect themselves (and their interests) and everyone >> else (most of whom would have no real opportunity to function as >> "stakeholders" whether through exclusionary practices of existing >> stakeholders or because of a lack of resources etc.) can in any sense be >> "made" democratic. >> >> But I could be wrong. >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca] >> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:30 PM >> To: McTim; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein >> Cc: 1Net List; ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net >> Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents >> online for comment >> >> Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from >> Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval >> engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy", >> "participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and >> participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions. >> >> fraternal regards >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote: >>>> >>>> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with >>>> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a >>>> forthright manner anywhere in the document. >>> >>> >>> I believer the opposite to be true. >>> >>> You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old >>> existing governance model of the Internet with a version of >>> Westphalianism. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> McTim >>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discuss mailing list >>> discuss at 1net.org >>> http://1net-mail.1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> To unsubscribe (subscribe) send an email to: sympa at vcn.bc.ca with the message unsub (sub) ciresearchers > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 09:52:04 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:52:04 -0400 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - remote participation Message-ID: The apparent limitations on remote participation for this meeting are of great concern at least to me. I have added this comment: The absence of a truly open remote participation for this meeting is of great concern. The lack of something like Webex, or whichever system is used by ICANN for all of its public meetings, automatically limits the participation of the majority of the largest stakeholder group named by this document, the users. to paragraph 1 of the introduction http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ Does anyone share this concern? Deirdre -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From garth.graham at telus.net Sat Apr 19 10:42:11 2014 From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:42:11 -0700 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - remote participation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400C92FE-932C-4950-B6E7-9C0365C43E86@telus.net> I do share your concern, and can offer an opinion as to why the hubs method of participation was chosen. I just completed a fast scan of the meaning of stakeholder implicit in the NETmundial document and posted it as a “whole page” comment to that introduction page. I found that stakeholders are not anyone who self-identifies as such. They are qualified into collective categories of organizations that are then “represented.” It would be consistent with that implicit assumption to aggregate individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN does, into internal “communities”). But it’s not good “Internet” if the choice to connect doesn’t rest at the level of the individual. GG On 2014-04-19, at 6:52 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > The apparent limitations on remote participation for this meeting are of great concern at least to me. > I have added this comment: > The absence of a truly open remote participation for this meeting is of great concern. The lack of something like Webex, or whichever system is used by ICANN for all of its public meetings, automatically limits the participation of the majority of the largest stakeholder group named by this document, the users. > to paragraph 1 of the introduction http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ > Does anyone share this concern? -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 11:11:10 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:11:10 -0400 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - remote participation In-Reply-To: <400C92FE-932C-4950-B6E7-9C0365C43E86@telus.net> References: <400C92FE-932C-4950-B6E7-9C0365C43E86@telus.net> Message-ID: Thank you Garth. I was thinking along the same lines. The problem with categories is that they limit freedom - for example if you are in a "private sector" category it then becomes difficult to put forward your concerns as "civil society" and "end user" both of which categories you also belong to. Divide and rule. :-) I understand that there may be a solution in the works, but meanwhile, as a little light relief, please have a look at this very short short story from Rudyard Kipling: And yet Suleiman-bin-Daoud was not proud. He very seldom showed off, and when he did he was sorry for it. Once he tried to feed all the animals in all the world in one day, but when the food was ready an Animal came out of the deep sea and ate it up in three mouthfuls. Suleiman-bin-Daoud was very surprised and said, 'O Animal, who are you?' And the Animal said, 'O King, live for ever! I am the smallest of thirty thousand brothers, and our home is at the bottom of the sea. We heard that you were going to feed all the animals in all the world, and my brothers sent me to ask when dinner would be ready.' Suleiman-bin-Daoud was more surprised than ever and said, 'O Animal, you have eaten all the dinner that I made ready for all the animals in the world.' And the Animal said, 'O King, live for ever, but do you really call that a dinner? Where I come from we each eat twice as much as that between meals.' Then Suleiman-bin-Daoud fell flat on his face and said, 'O Animal! I gave that dinner to show what a great and rich king I was, and not because I really wanted to be kind to the animals. Now I am ashamed, and it serves me right. Suleiman-bin-Daoud was a really truly wise man, Best Beloved. After that he never forgot that it was silly to show off; http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/butter.htm Best wishes Deirdre On 19 April 2014 10:42, Garth Graham wrote: > I do share your concern, and can offer an opinion as to why the hubs > method of participation was chosen. I just completed a fast scan of the > meaning of stakeholder implicit in the NETmundial document and posted it as > a “whole page” comment to that introduction page. I found that > stakeholders are not anyone who self-identifies as such. They are qualified > into collective categories of organizations that are then “represented.” > It would be consistent with that implicit assumption to aggregate > individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN does, into internal “communities”). > But it’s not good “Internet” if the choice to connect doesn’t rest at the > level of the individual. > > GG > > On 2014-04-19, at 6:52 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > > The apparent limitations on remote participation for this meeting are of > great concern at least to me. > > I have added this comment: > > The absence of a truly open remote participation for this meeting is of > great concern. The lack of something like Webex, or whichever system is > used by ICANN for all of its public meetings, automatically limits the > participation of the majority of the largest stakeholder group named by > this document, the users. > > to paragraph 1 of the introduction > http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ > > Does anyone share this concern? > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 11:14:37 2014 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:14:37 -0400 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - remote participation In-Reply-To: <400C92FE-932C-4950-B6E7-9C0365C43E86@telus.net> References: <400C92FE-932C-4950-B6E7-9C0365C43E86@telus.net> Message-ID: *According to Marilia in a recent posting elsewhere, individual remote participation is available. Perhaps she (or Adam) or someone else can clarify?* On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Garth Graham wrote: > I do share your concern, and can offer an opinion as to why the hubs > method of participation was chosen. I just completed a fast scan of the > meaning of stakeholder implicit in the NETmundial document and posted it as > a “whole page” comment to that introduction page. I found that > stakeholders are not anyone who self-identifies as such. They are qualified > into collective categories of organizations that are then “represented.” > It would be consistent with that implicit assumption to aggregate > individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN does, into internal “communities”). > But it’s not good “Internet” if the choice to connect doesn’t rest at the > level of the individual. > > GG > > On 2014-04-19, at 6:52 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > > The apparent limitations on remote participation for this meeting are of > great concern at least to me. > > I have added this comment: > > The absence of a truly open remote participation for this meeting is of > great concern. The lack of something like Webex, or whichever system is > used by ICANN for all of its public meetings, automatically limits the > participation of the majority of the largest stakeholder group named by > this document, the users. > > to paragraph 1 of the introduction > http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ > > Does anyone share this concern? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 16:16:54 2014 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:16:54 -0300 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - remote participation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Deidre and all, any individual, anywhere will be able to follow the meeting and participate using Adobe Connect. The chair will take rounds and call all stakeholders to voice their comments, including remote participants. Fair and equal treatment will be given to all remote participants, be it individuals or hubs. Please see my previous message. If you have any doubts regarding remote participation i suggest you write carine at netmundial.br Best wishes and hope to see you all um Sao Paulo or online. Marilia Em 19/04/2014 10:53, "Deirdre Williams" escreveu: > The apparent limitations on remote participation for this meeting are of > great concern at least to me. > I have added this comment: > The absence of a truly open remote participation for this meeting is of > great concern. The lack of something like Webex, or whichever system is > used by ICANN for all of its public meetings, automatically limits the > participation of the majority of the largest stakeholder group named by > this document, the users. > to paragraph 1 of the introduction > http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ > Does anyone share this concern? > Deirdre > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 16:23:00 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:23:00 -0500 Subject: [governance] FW: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study In-Reply-To: References: <044c01cf581d$151d4790$3f57d6b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just found this: http://rameznaam.com/2014/04/17/is-the-us-an-oligarchy-not-so-fast/ "In fact, this paper fails to find any strong effect of any variable that it looked at on the likelihood of policy being enacted. They mask this a bit by ‘scaling’ all the predictive powers back up to the range of 0-1 in the next table. Perhaps they intended that as a way to more clearly show the size of one factor vs another. But it masks the fact that none of the factors they found had much of any ability to predict which policies were passed. The authors might have done better looking at more complex variables such as: - The percent of voters who supported or opposed a policy. - The total amount of lobbying dollars spent on either side. - The total amount of advertising dollars spent on either side. But they didn’t. This doesn’t mean that the US isn’t an oligarchy or that lobbyists and elites don’t have too much power. We don’t know that from this paper. All we know is that the paper doesn’t prove much of anything. And that the headlines based on it – while they probably draw a great many clicks – aren’t accurately passing on what the study says." On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Funny, I support MSism and I have yet to see a penny of this "direct benefit > from oligarchies" > > Can we please dispense with the conspiracy theories at least, even if you > don't like multistakeholderism in the form that it is commonly practiced? > > --srs (iPad) > > On 15-Apr-2014, at 1:36, "michael gurstein" wrote: > > I guess the below explains the overwhelming pressure from the USG to have > multistakeholderism implemented for global (Internet) governance since MSism > would be the political form through which oligarchies would exert (and mask) > their power in global decision making processes. > > > > Of course it also suggests why significant elements of CS in Internet > Governance processes would also support MSism since they are in many cases > the direct beneficiaries of these oligarchies. > > > > M > > > > From: sid-l at googlegroups.com [mailto:sid-l at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sid Shniad > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > > > http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 > > Common Dreams April 14, 2014 > > US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study > > “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, > near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” > > by Eric Zuesse > > In America, money talks... and democracy dies under its crushing weight. > (Photo: Shutterstock)A study, to appear in the Fall 2014 issue of the > academic journal Perspectives on Politics, finds that the U.S. is no > democracy, but instead an oligarchy, meaning profoundly corrupt, so that the > answer to the study’s opening question, "Who governs? Who really rules?" in > this country, is: > > "Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for > theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of > the American public actually have little influence over the policies our > government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic > governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, > and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But, ..." and then they go > on to say, it's not true, and that, "America's claims to being a democratic > society are seriously threatened" by the findings in this, the first-ever > comprehensive scientific study of the subject, which shows that there is > instead "the nearly total failure of 'median voter' and other Majoritarian > Electoral Democracy theories [of America]. When the preferences of economic > elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the > preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, > near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy." > > To put it short: The United States is no democracy, but actually an > oligarchy. > > The authors of this historically important study are Martin Gilens and > Benjamin I. Page, and their article is titled "Testing Theories of American > Politics." The authors clarify that the data available are probably > under-representing the actual extent of control of the U.S. by the > super-rich: > > Economic Elite Domination theories do rather well in our analysis, even > though our findings probably understate the political influence of elites. > Our measure of the preferences of wealthy or elite Americans – though > useful, and the best we could generate for a large set of policy cases – is > probably less consistent with the relevant preferences than are our measures > of the views of ordinary citizens or the alignments of engaged interest > groups. Yet we found substantial estimated effects even when using this > imperfect measure. The real-world impact of elites upon public policy may be > still greater. > > Nonetheless, this is the first-ever scientific study of the question of > whether the U.S. is a democracy. "Until recently it has not been possible to > test these contrasting theoretical predictions [that U.S. policymaking > operates as a democracy, versus as an oligarchy, versus as some mixture of > the two] against each other within a single statistical model. This paper > reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes > measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues." That’s an enormous > number of policy-issues studied. > > What the authors are able to find, despite the deficiencies of the data, is > important: the first-ever scientific analysis of whether the U.S. is a > democracy, or is instead an oligarchy, or some combination of the two. The > clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at > all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the > oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media). > The U.S., in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other > dubious "electoral" "democratic" countries. We weren't formerly, but we > clearly are now. Today, after this exhaustive analysis of the data, “the > preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, > near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.” That's > it, in a nutshell. > > Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're > Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, > 1910-2010,and of CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created > Christianity. > > > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Sid-l" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sid-l+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > !DSPAM:2676,534c26bd215691645816401! > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Sat Apr 19 18:05:23 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lorena_Jaume-Palas=ED?=) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:05:23 +0200 Subject: [governance] WG: [IRPCoalition] OurNETmundial - http://netmundial.net - ACT now! Message-ID: fyi  Von Samsung Galaxy Note gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Betreff: [IRPCoalition] OurNETmundial - http://netmundial.net - ACT now! Von: Jeremie Zimmermann An: irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org CC: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The farcical illusion of "multistakeholder" discussions around "Internet governance" must be denounced! For the last 15 years those sterile discussions led nowhere, with no concrete action ever emerging.. In the meantime, technology as a whole has been turned into a terrifying machine for surveillance, control and oppression. The very same "stakeholders" seen in IGFs and such, by their active collaboration with NSA and its public and private partners, massively violated our trust and our privacy. In 3 days will be held in SaoPaulo the NETmundial forum. Will it be one more occurence of the "multistakeholder" farce? Governments have a moral obligation and a duty to protect their citizens' fundamental freedoms against aggressions by public and private entities. We expect them to protect the decentralized architecture of a Free Internet as a common good. This is why we put up: http://netmundial.net (yes, the idiots left this domain unregistered for us to use! hinhin) With a manifesto that we encourage you to sign and spread in your networks (Can be signed directly through https://oiga.me/campaigns/end-global-surveillance-and-protect-the-free-internet ) This manifesto will help us as an analysis matrix for the outcome of NetMundial: Either governments follow our demands and take concrete actions, or we will know that they are simply cooperating with this global effort of attacking our freedoms and a free Internet. Please help us spread this message, so an alternative voice emerges from NETmundial. It is OUR Internet!! #OurNetMundial With Datalove <3 j - -- - --- - --- Jérémie Zimmermann --- +33 (0)615 940 675 --- twitter: @jerezim --- - --- La Quadrature du Net (co-founder) --- http://laquadrature.net ----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTUsylAAoJEG7TYbU4o8MHbAMQAJPGcHefRFIw0xQKw/lN+0zk Z0eMVaZFRGAnGSv3v8xOuVpBwv71p2EXeSOtODQDNjfoshl8pGBStafJXEMOICgD evmbTC2h2PIx9+r3n1xh88TIoxAU8o5EDdONGJeMEfgqkqkcbLcrzxpJbIJGgJD0 u7qbM5/gHLv1isgGmPms9IELeXAFg78ElEm20reQSjqvFeXtWtdrSjJJXfOEl63L UKHbHdMPSFBAWxnM7PqakIBV+JFe0scI36E4x/v3tJhOm5+EoEYjeqZEhwYAuCcN 2kX3H2aGtwSPqIsuHvDJSKov2K7oak/xzf5/7ge82zRCs3cYrud07620anzoSgmQ PBsUOjVIxNTu2XDTvqOOplQ7tse70Gsib+pSoolQSWGn/3BQz9Z1W1W2fv0MWJ/c BkhQYzTyXc4kgAJtdyyods0rTcZ9X+nc4phtuDsjQRV3I48+QNDhHaPPXP4CyW9O rjTqbGAcoqOcR9A0D4szZVqUbzmkOtyt/5AT0and8VX/OMklkqiZs4929pwglXnR QGdoS1QGx/HI+Obcfv8FxJ6dRCGY2MMSFc5c5taYl06IiKC0odl3qUttzO5sf2U4 NS7yPM3mkcQrefcqezmSZmuyrv0oYosFFF7Uiu6So3CvmT9+1q4mjuv06ThCxqbD bRb+9QmihWU1sHppmnqw =zkms -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ IRP mailing list IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org https://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/mailman/listinfo/irp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See you there Best wishes Deirdre On 19 April 2014 16:16, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Dear Deidre and all, any individual, anywhere will be able to follow the > meeting and participate using Adobe Connect. The chair will take rounds and > call all stakeholders to voice their comments, including remote > participants. Fair and equal treatment will be given to all remote > participants, be it individuals or hubs. Please see my previous message. > > If you have any doubts regarding remote participation i suggest you write > carine at netmundial.br > > Best wishes and hope to see you all um Sao Paulo or online. > Marilia > Em 19/04/2014 10:53, "Deirdre Williams" > escreveu: > >> The apparent limitations on remote participation for this meeting are >> of great concern at least to me. >> I have added this comment: >> The absence of a truly open remote participation for this meeting is of >> great concern. The lack of something like Webex, or whichever system is >> used by ICANN for all of its public meetings, automatically limits the >> participation of the majority of the largest stakeholder group named by >> this document, the users. >> to paragraph 1 of the introduction >> http://document.netmundial.br/introduction/ >> Does anyone share this concern? >> Deirdre >> >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat Apr 19 20:54:29 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 06:24:29 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> Dear Ian and Carlos, Perhaps it does not behove me to say this since I am quite junior to both of you in the global IG civil society space - but then I feel that it is my unhappy duty to say it: I am pained that you have put your considerable reputation and goodwill in this space in service of defending what patently is political corruption of the highest order, that too with regard to a model of MSism which you both so vigorously promote. Yes, this particular instance is one of pure and simple political corruption of the highest order, the kind which normally immediately produces reactions of revulsion and outrage in civil society groups...It is not personal. Thousands teach in colleges and have political and social ambitions, and take various kinds of routes to pursue them; similarly thousands work in NGOs like I do. I dont think any of the signatories of the letter from Indian CS groups was in any kind of keen competition to be in NetMundial organisational positions. So, it should not matter to us that much who becomes the top CS reps to the MetMundial... In any case, such is the diversity and structural dis-organisation of civil society that different, often very unexpected, kinds of appointments from civil society regularly takes place, and we may whisper and complain among ourselves but always let it be... It is kind of part of being civil society. This present one is not such a case. And in my view, for anyone willing to be on guard against such subversions, it is not difficult to see the nature of the issue here. As said, it is a case of highest political corruption.. Big business from the US, backed by some strong political interests in that country, have been working in India for 2-3 years now to subvert India's political processes around IG basically with the objective to keep its voice silent on the global level... There have been much discussion inside India lately on this phenomenon including some news reports. Will cut this story short.... What I am coming to is, it is as a part of this political strategy that Sub was picked up and promoted as a 'civil society voice' in India. India has a proud culture of vibrant democracy and a rather mature civil society, whereby it is of course absolutely unacceptable for us, Indian civil society groups, that such a political subversion and corruption takes place. This was and remains the cause of our strong reaction. When, as they say in India, we saw the water go over the head, with Subi's appointment as civil society co-chair of NetMundial, Indian civil society groups took it as their responsibility to bring the facts to the table, and make global actors cognizant about them. It is not an easy decision to take - we all know that while one has to work hard and devote much time to such kind of a thing, there will also always be considerable comebacks, because we are dealing with actors who are extremely resourcefully (obvious, when a completely unknown person can suddenly be placed at the CS head position of a major global meeting), and therefore expectation of counter personal attacks, as indeed have been happening. It perhaps is this reason that most of the other signatories of the letter have not come out publicly on this list to present and push the case. (BTW, I may disclose that I was neither the party to initiate the collective letter nor the news item in Hindustan Times; just so that you all know.) What was surprising is that, when practically all civil society groups in India, who are engaged with IG work - and have extensive work relationships with all other global actors, often stronger than they have among themselves - came out to present the facts on the ground about the inappropriateness of Subi's selections, practically no one from the global civil society expressed real support. (Yes, a good quote from my email to be used by Subi.) I see this as primarily the fault of the civil society leadership. They cannot be doing this with their national CS partners, especially of a country with one seventh of world's population and whose general maturity of civil society processes cannot easily be questioned. But the fact that this did happen points to serious structural flaws in the form and role of civil society, especially its leadership, in MSist spaces. No, it is not the civil society groups from India who lost here - it is the global MSist civil society that has lost, and it may need to introspect deeply about it, if it ever will... Apparently, the testimony of practically all the civil society groups engaged with IG in India was not enough... Then came**this investigative report from one of the largest and most-respected dailies of India. A report which I know was being worked for more than 2 months. With extensive interactions inter alia with all people who have been namedadverselyin the report... I also happen to know that the involved people personally met the senior most editors of the newspaper... All opportunities for defence and clarification were given, and all testimonies and material accepted. Senior editors thoroughly went over all the details overs many days. Do not under-estimate the difficulty and the extent of caution required with regard to a news report like this one which implicates one of the most powerful and entrenched lobbyist in the capital of India. For a long time when the report did not appear, I actually thought, well the obvious has happened! But the newspaper stood its ground and came out with a report presenting just those facts about which it had absolute evidence, and which met their very high reporting standards. So, you guys dont believe the statement of a full group of Indian civil society organisations, and you do not believe even the investigative news report in one of the most highly regarded newspapers of India, a report which was researched for 2 months. Well, in that case, it really must take something to make you believe - or perhaps, you have decided your position already, which is not to rock the MS (multistakeholder) boat as the highest priority, with all else paling in comparison. Anywhere else, a case of this kind, where first the whole civil society in an area makes a case, which is then supported by a well- researched news story, will be an open and shut case for global civil society to support. But not on this occasion...This is something you all guys need to answer. There is nothing more for us, of Indian civil society groups, to say... We are proud that we did a very difficult civil society task of exposing political corruption, took an 'insistent' public stand against it, and refused to be cowed down by cat calls that have become customary on this list whenever any issue implicating the power of big business or the US is raised..... One last point, though I think it may be superfluous, because you all know and understand it. People here have been saying that there is no evidence, which is quite surprising because this is one of few rare cases (and thus must be pushed hard and fully capitalised on) where there is actually considerable evidence of political corruption. Now, this is not a court proceeding, really. Think of when, say in our own countries, an appointment of an industry watchdog is made, or for an anti- corruption body. What is the standard of knowledge and evidence on which civil society will act on what they may regard as complete inappropriateness of an appointment - and perhaps write petitions, boycott proceedings, and so on... Just that level of knowledge and evidence is needed in this case as well. And it is as clear as daylight that such knowledge and evidence is indeed available. To act or not, and whether to denounce or make light of those who indeed are doing their civil society work, remains your own respective political decisions. I see that you are inviting Subi to remain undeterred and continue to engage with civil society here. We too are going to remain undeterred in doing what we see as the real CS work. Best regards parminder PS: I will not respond to Subi's 'clarifications', and I can understand her desperation as well the discomfort of those whose huge interests are affected by this.... However, at one place in her recent email there is a specific reference to my name, mentioning that her recent appointment to some position in the WG on India IGF was with my consent; this is lie typical of much of her statements ... There was no such consent, something which is very easy to verify because the room had around 30 people from gov, industry and CS, and there is also avaiable an official document coming from the meeting. I do however see that the inference from the quote of Marilyn Cade was an inadvertent error on the part of the journalist. On Friday 18 April 2014 06:56 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Absolutely agree with Ian, including the three wishes. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 04/18/2014 12:48 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >> Subi, >> >> It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. >> I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help >> to eventually clear the air. >> >> My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will >> continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in >> internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have >> discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different >> perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and >> valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to >> your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. >> >> My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way >> to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not >> immediate, but it is important we do so. >> >> My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> *From:* Subi Chaturvedi >> *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM >> *To:*governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Cc:*bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related >> concerns raised by colleagues from India >> >> >> Dear CS colleagues and friends, >> >> >> This has reference to the article published in HT on 8^th April, 2014 >> which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. >> >> At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing >> solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, >> misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, >> as you'd realize after, going through this post. >> >> I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeatedand grave >> provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting >> all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues >> that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why >> we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time >> engaging with the process, in the first place. >> >> I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those >> who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me >> publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without >> a minimal comment from me.I wish to assure global civil society that our >> views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple >> interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work >> across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my >> colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the >> situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real >> challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we >> focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant >> oppurtunity for change. >> >> In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an >> amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless >> innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these >> issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My >> interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would >> reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in >> India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and >> respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their >> websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India >> IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the >> MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine >> capturedare in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also >> appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the >> knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from >> the floor. >> >> My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and >> communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my >> blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/* >> >> Now Iask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said >> article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from >> Indian CS- was it appropriate toincludeme in this story related to >> surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than >> to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed.As identified in >> Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is >> manipulative on multiple levels and makesseveral inaccurate assertions. >> >> Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you >> that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and aharbinger >> of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based >> on this article. >> >> I submit the following for your consideration:the portions in italics >> are direct quotes from the same article. >> >> . >> >> a. /“//Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed >> Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” ./ >> >> You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, >> this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to >> the effect is missing fromthe story. I challenge anyone to put out any >> evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for >> me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is >> quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into >> question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious >> even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder >> Jeet singh repeatedly continuesto make. Despite a clarification on the >> 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General >> Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. >> >> >> >> b. “/Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T >> official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:/ >> >> >> >> / /I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *_coach and >> Mentor other proposals_*and IGF should limit it’s own”. >> >> Inline images 1 >> >> In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting >> evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at >> the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from >> the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my >> “coach and mentor”. >> >> c. “/She was also paid upwards of //Rs.// //2.3 lakh for her role at >> a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also >> received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. >> This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a >> civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and >> corporate bodies”./ >> >> He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), >> payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of >> interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a >> reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference >> secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and >> camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related >> hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my >> extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session >> organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite >> of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association >> was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI >> (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that >> both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of >> civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said >> letter. >> >> >> This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for >> advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This >> is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would >> shy away from. >> >> Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, >> charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film >> and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public >> domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of >> privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human >> rights. >> >> d. /Ph.D/: ** >> >> *Can a **mere research studentship**,**which I am still >> pursuing**,****be**the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?*It >> was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my >> character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say >> sorry”, to her for the offenseI had not committed and continue with her. >> >> With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly >> manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I >> have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. * >> * >> >> *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has >> ever**been given to me and hence no action has been taken against >> me,*detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to >> deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT >> has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I.And my PhD. is well >> underway.// >> >> // >> >> /*The letter of notable members of civil society.*/// >> >> The CS letter from Indiacarried the support of 10 individuals+1 author, >> some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked >> with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir,Anja Kovacs, >> Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of >> 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me >> where Parminder was present through out. It is full of >> misrepresentation.Their claimsare absurd that: >> >> /1- They don’t know me/// >> >> /2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space./// >> >> /3. They don’t know how to reach me//./// >> >> /4. And I do not teach IG/ >> >> *My Response**:*** >> >> Ø *Not only do they know me quite well*** >> >> Ø *We have hosted joint events, *** >> >> Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, *** >> >> Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, *** >> >> Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, *** >> >> Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, *** >> >> Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues >> and events on IG, *** >> >> Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. *** >> >> Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated >> and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. *** >> >> Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone *** >> >> Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my >> inputs on their drafts. *** >> >> I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the >> IG space with all of them individually or collectively. ** >> >> >> The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by >> >> Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of >> the CS letter), >> >> Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), >> >> Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- >> co-signatory), >> >> Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), >> >> Ø Media For Change( represented by me) >> >> Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). >> >> Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions >> and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal >> response. >> >> >> >> >> ​ >> >> >> >> More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden >> this list)- >> >> One of the recent multistakeholder meetingon IGthat I co-organized >> including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the >> Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated >> on many occasions and oftentake same positions publicly), was on the >> 29^th January, 2014. >> >> >> >> Where I worked with >> >> >> >> 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) >> >> 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh >> >> 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan >> >> 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs >> >> >> >> >> ​ >> >> _ >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:*** >> >> >> >> Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked >> for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet >> Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS >> fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, RishabBailey the >> author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC >> (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently >> represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who >> is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented >> on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are >> respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other >> IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. >> >> >> >> CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple >> panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and >> at the CIS website >> >> http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi >> >> >> They are all signatories to the letter. >> >> >> >> *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written tome, or >> supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again >> for reposing yourfaith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all >> times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * >> >> >> Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the >> journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and >> unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for >> the work that my colleagues do. >> >> >> I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in >> Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with >> any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate >> in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the >> best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG >> ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, >> which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation >> and connects the unconnected. >> >> >> More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here >> http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ >> >> >> and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for >> ready reference* >> >> https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 >> >> I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are >> being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document >> will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in >> Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have >> also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a >> multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. >> >> Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have >> you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both >> profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to >> emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace >> building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply >> inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national >> and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a >> fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of >> us but let's put our best foot forward. >> >> Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. >> >> Safe travels, all. >> >> >> Warmest, >> >> >> Subi >> ---- >> >> Subi Chaturvedi >> >> Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, >> >> Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), >> >> Delhi University, India >> >> Twitter:@subichaturvedi >> >> http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ >> >> >> Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) >> >> Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) >> Convenor WG-India IGF >> Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) >> >> >> Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, >> >> Media For Change >> >> >> Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor >> >> The Saltlist >> >> www.thesaltlist.org >> >> >> Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, >> >> Curator, Media Critic & Scholar >> >> >> PhD. Scholar, >> >> Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi >> >> >> >> PS: >> >> >> Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot >> ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of >> speech and expression: >> >> * >> * >> >> *IG specific Roles:* >> >> >> >> 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) >> fellowship for IG 2014-2015 >> >> 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 >> >> 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG >> >> 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 >> >> 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 >> >> 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 >> >> 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation >> IGF 2013 >> >> 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of >> Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 >> >> 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 >> >> 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 >> >> *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and >> national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives >> on information and communication especially for under-represented >> stakeholder groups in IG.* >> >> * >> * >> >> I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my >> contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. >> >> >> https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 >> >> >> I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not >> limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law >> and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant >> Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of >> Delhi University. >> >> I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in >> mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the >> NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central >> universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt >> and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-Das a part time registered >> PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking >> full classes and contributing to the College immensely. >> >> My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of >> India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the >> 18^th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here >> >> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece >> >> It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. >> >> An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of >> Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the >> documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and >> expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha >> Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India). >> >> http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html >> >> The position that I often take isagainst corporatization and control of >> the media including the Internet by a few,be they governments, private >> sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil >> society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and >> substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF >> website. >> >> *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in >> this academic year 2013-2014:* >> >> My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead >> opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on >> why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. >> >> _http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece_ >> >> My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on >> freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was >> screened at theIIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the >> prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and >> Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, >> were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. >> >> >> In recognition of _my _*_contribution to Internet and society_*_,_I been >> awarded: >> >> 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), >> >> Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. >> >> 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two >> stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF >> MAG, for the second consecutive term. >> >> 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder >> Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. >> >> 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of >> the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, >> Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG >> (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance >> Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. >> >> 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed >> on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and >> regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- >> Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for >> it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of >> India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also >> organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as >> a panelist. >> >> 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will >> Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general >> election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and >> eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), >> New Delhi. >> >> 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in >> promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. >> >> 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of >> Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF >> foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, >> STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of >> the letter. >> >> 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New >> Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would >> reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is >> online with our interventions and images together. >> >> 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a >> democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and >> lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. >> Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. >> Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. >> >> 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder >> panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet >> Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A >> Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional >> and national Internet & ICT initiatives. >> >> 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth >> -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital >> Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. >> >> 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on >> national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women >> safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. >> >> 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- >> Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they >> mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan >> eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, >> Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. >> >> 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on >> “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global >> leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical >> community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. >> >> 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The >> Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for >> us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical >> community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to >> share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly >> prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. >> >> 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth >> leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. >> >> 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the >> Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institutionwith over 300 youth >> delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the >> media on the role of media and youth in election 2014particularly the >> impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying >> participation of the youth. >> >> 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training >> workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies >> on social media. >> >> 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young >> leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This >> was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held >> on the world internet day. >> >> 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on >> Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of >> the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. >> >> 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the >> on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the >> youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A >> NASSCOM initiative). >> >> 23) I am a member of the International Association for >> Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). >> >> >> >> >> warmest >> >> Subi >> ---- >> >> Subi Chaturvedi >> >> Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, >> >> Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), >> >> Delhi University, India >> >> Twitter:@subichaturvedi >> >> http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ >> >> >> Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) >> >> Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) >> >> Convenor WG-India IGF >> >> Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) >> >> >> Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, >> >> Media For Change >> >> >> Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor >> >> The Saltlist >> >> www.thesaltlist.org >> >> >> Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, >> >> Curator, Media Critic & Scholar >> >> >> PhD. Scholar, >> >> Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email:http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sat Apr 19 21:06:22 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 06:36:22 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> Message-ID: You have had your say. I would prefer that the other signatories to that letter respond, either privately to the co cos or in public but after netmundial. Her appointment is done and this petty controversy amd politicking is distracting from much larger policy goals. --srs (iPad) > On 20-Apr-2014, at 6:24, parminder wrote: > > > Dear Ian and Carlos, > > Perhaps it does not behove me to say this since I am quite junior to both of you in the global IG civil society space - but then I feel that it is my unhappy duty to say it: I am pained that you have put your considerable reputation and goodwill in this space in service of defending what patently is political corruption of the highest order, that too with regard to a model of MSism which you both so vigorously promote. > > Yes, this particular instance is one of pure and simple political corruption of the highest order, the kind which normally immediately produces reactions of revulsion and outrage in civil society groups...It is not personal. Thousands teach in colleges and have political and social ambitions, and take various kinds of routes to pursue them; similarly thousands work in NGOs like I do. I dont think any of the signatories of the letter from Indian CS groups was in any kind of keen competition to be in NetMundial organisational positions. So, it should not matter to us that much who becomes the top CS reps to the MetMundial... In any case, such is the diversity and structural dis-organisation of civil society that different, often very unexpected, kinds of appointments from civil society regularly takes place, and we may whisper and complain among ourselves but always let it be... It is kind of part of being civil society. > > This present one is not such a case. And in my view, for anyone willing to be on guard against such subversions, it is not difficult to see the nature of the issue here. As said, it is a case of highest political corruption.. Big business from the US, backed by some strong political interests in that country, have been working in India for 2-3 years now to subvert India's political processes around IG basically with the objective to keep its voice silent on the global level... There have been much discussion inside India lately on this phenomenon including some news reports. Will cut this story short.... What I am coming to is, it is as a part of this political strategy that Sub was picked up and promoted as a 'civil society voice' in India. India has a proud culture of vibrant democracy and a rather mature civil society, whereby it is of course absolutely unacceptable for us, Indian civil society groups, that such a political subversion and corruption takes place. This was and remains the cause of our strong reaction. > > When, as they say in India, we saw the water go over the head, with Subi's appointment as civil society co-chair of NetMundial, Indian civil society groups took it as their responsibility to bring the facts to the table, and make global actors cognizant about them. It is not an easy decision to take - we all know that while one has to work hard and devote much time to such kind of a thing, there will also always be considerable comebacks, because we are dealing with actors who are extremely resourcefully (obvious, when a completely unknown person can suddenly be placed at the CS head position of a major global meeting), and therefore expectation of counter personal attacks, as indeed have been happening. It perhaps is this reason that most of the other signatories of the letter have not come out publicly on this list to present and push the case. (BTW, I may disclose that I was neither the party to initiate the collective letter nor the news item in Hindustan Times; just so that you all know.) > > What was surprising is that, when practically all civil society groups in India, who are engaged with IG work - and have extensive work relationships with all other global actors, often stronger than they have among themselves - came out to present the facts on the ground about the inappropriateness of Subi's selections, practically no one from the global civil society expressed real support. (Yes, a good quote from my email to be used by Subi.) I see this as primarily the fault of the civil society leadership. They cannot be doing this with their national CS partners, especially of a country with one seventh of world's population and whose general maturity of civil society processes cannot easily be questioned . But the fact that this did happen points to serious structural flaws in the form and role of civil society, especially its leadership, in MSist spaces. No, it is not the civil society groups from India who lost here - it is the global MSist civil society that has lost, and it may need to introspect deeply about it, if it ever will... > > Apparently, the testimony of practically all the civil society groups engaged with IG in India was not enough... Then came this investigative report from one of the largest and most-respected dailies of India. A report which I know was being worked for more than 2 months. With extensive interactions inter alia with all people who have been named adversely in the report... I also happen to know that the involved people personally met the senior most editors of the newspaper... All opportunities for defence and clarification were given, and all testimonies and material accepted. Senior editors thoroughly went over all the details overs many days. Do not under-estimate the difficulty and the extent of caution required with regard to a news report like this one which implicates one of the most powerful and entrenched lobbyist in the capital of India. For a long time when the report did not appear, I actually thought, well the obvious has happened! But the newspaper stood its ground and came out with a report presenting just those facts about which it had absolute evidence, and which met their very high reporting standards. > > So, you guys dont believe the statement of a full group of Indian civil society organisations, and you do not believe even the investigative news report in one of the most highly regarded newspapers of India, a report which was researched for 2 months. Well, in that case, it really must take something to make you believe - or perhaps, you have decided your position already, which is not to rock the MS (multistakeholder) boat as the highest priority, with all else paling in comparison. > > Anywhere else, a case of this kind, where first the whole civil society in an area makes a case, which is then supported by a well- researched news story, will be an open and shut case for global civil society to support. But not on this occasion...This is something you all guys need to answer. There is nothing more for us, of Indian civil society groups, to say... We are proud that we did a very difficult civil society task of exposing political corruption, took an 'insistent' public stand against it, and refused to be cowed down by cat calls that have become customary on this list whenever any issue implicating the power of big business or the US is raised..... > > One last point, though I think it may be superfluous, because you all know and understand it. People here have been saying that there is no evidence, which is quite surprising because this is one of few rare cases (and thus must be pushed hard and fully capitalised on) where there is actually considerable evidence of political corruption. Now, this is not a court proceeding, really. Think of when, say in our own countries, an appointment of an industry watchdog is made, or for an anti- corruption body. What is the standard of knowledge and evidence on which civil society will act on what they may regard as complete inappropriateness of an appointment - and perhaps write petitions, boycott proceedings, and so on... Just that level of knowledge and evidence is needed in this case as well. And it is as clear as daylight that such knowledge and evidence is indeed available. To act or not, and whether to denounce or make light of those who indeed are doing their civil society work, remains your own respective political decisions. I see that you are inviting Subi to remain undeterred and continue to engage with civil society here. We too are going to remain undeterred in doing what we see as the real CS work. > > Best regards > > parminder > > PS: I will not respond to Subi's 'clarifications', and I can understand her desperation as well the discomfort of those whose huge interests are affected by this.... However, at one place in her recent email there is a specific reference to my name, mentioning that her recent appointment to some position in the WG on India IGF was with my consent; this is lie typical of much of her statements ... There was no such consent, something which is very easy to verify because the room had around 30 people from gov, industry and CS, and there is also avaiable an official document coming from the meeting. > > I do however see that the inference from the quote of Marilyn Cade was an inadvertent error on the part of the journalist. > > >> On Friday 18 April 2014 06:56 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> Absolutely agree with Ian, including the three wishes. >> >> fraternal regards >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 04/18/2014 12:48 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >>> Subi, >>> >>> It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. >>> I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help >>> to eventually clear the air. >>> >>> My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will >>> continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in >>> internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have >>> discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different >>> perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and >>> valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to >>> your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. >>> >>> My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way >>> to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not >>> immediate, but it is important we do so. >>> >>> My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Subi Chaturvedi >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM >>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related >>> concerns raised by colleagues from India >>> >>> >>> Dear CS colleagues and friends, >>> >>> >>> This has reference to the article published in HT on 8^th April, 2014 >>> which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. >>> >>> At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing >>> solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, >>> misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, >>> as you'd realize after, going through this post. >>> >>> I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeatedand grave >>> provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting >>> all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues >>> that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why >>> we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time >>> engaging with the process, in the first place. >>> >>> I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those >>> who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me >>> publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without >>> a minimal comment from me.I wish to assure global civil society that our >>> views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple >>> interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work >>> across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my >>> colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the >>> situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real >>> challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we >>> focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant >>> oppurtunity for change. >>> >>> In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an >>> amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless >>> innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these >>> issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My >>> interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would >>> reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in >>> India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and >>> respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their >>> websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India >>> IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the >>> MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine >>> capturedare in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also >>> appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the >>> knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from >>> the floor. >>> >>> My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and >>> communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my >>> blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/* >>> >>> Now Iask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said >>> article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from >>> Indian CS- was it appropriate toincludeme in this story related to >>> surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than >>> to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed.As identified in >>> Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is >>> ma > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat Apr 19 21:19:24 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 06:49:24 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <5353209C.9060901@itforchange.net> Subi's email says that there is no evidence that she is associated with corporate interests and have been representing them... Well, this is the crux of the issue - what or whom does she represent, and what is the basis of her ascendency to representational positions in multi stakeholder structures. It must be obvious that MetMundial Chair does not personally know Subi and therefore obviously someone proposed her name for civil society co chair... We know for sure that she did not go through any civil society nominations process, some of which got organised.... I also dont think that any civil society person or leader of any standing proposed her name to the Chair. (I may be wrong but then that can be easily corrected by the Chair, that civil society person(s) or Subi telling us the facts.) Now, if civil society did not recommend her to the Chair, then who did... This is the simple question we are asking... I do not, for the moment, even seek to challenge the Chair's right to act on any recommendation or not, or the appropriateness of the recommending party.... I just want to know - as a civil society person - who recommended her.... And of course, even Subi would know who recommended her, right?. Why does she not share that name(s) with us, and the air will really clear, about who pushed her into that position, and then it can be left to people to draw inferences, or not, about whose interests she may be representing. Or does Subi want to tell us that she simply has no idea, and that she was sitting at home with not the slightest premonition and the news suddenly arrived that she has been selected as NetMudial's CS co-chair. The draft NetMundial draft says: * Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet governance processes should be selected through open and transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self-manage their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and accountable mechanisms. Therefore, we are not asking for something radical - let the organisers and Subi herself tell us, who recommended her to the position of co-chair. A very similar thing happened a few months back, which makes a pattern that cannot be ignored. We heard the news that Subi was made a MAG member. Now, again we know that she did not come through any civil society process whereas almost all other/earlier CS MAG members seem to have some through such a process. I understand that the journalist who did the Hindustan Times story sought this information from the MAG secretariat/ Chair but drew a blank. Now, again, the report of the CSTD Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation, stamped now with the authority of the UN General Assembly clearly seeks transparency in the process of stakeholder representative selection and self-management of the process by different groups. Then why does the MAG chair/ secretariat and also Subi not tell us who recommended her to the MAG. Do we not have the right to know. Last point: There have been some concern here about public parading of (proven) plagiarism charges against Subi. The fact is that I do not care how people earn their degrees and do their PhDs... Everyone has skeletons in the cupboard which are best left there.... But, here again this issue comes up only with regard to the central question that we are seized of - whom or what does Subi represent in the positions that she is holding. There has been a certain slipperiness in her statements in this regard. If she is pushed about her civil society credential, she often says that she represents media, and at other times, that she represents the academic community .... Now, if indeed it is on the credential of academic community that she has come into these positions, then the current controversies regarding her standing and conduct in the concerned academic institutions is certainly of direct relevance to the issue of representation. That alone is the context of the plagiarism charges, and thus they are not of a personal nature but fully political. parminder PS: It is our job as civil society activists to oppose political corruption, and be relentless about it. Such work gets done at enormous personal costs, which I will not get into explaining here. But I think I have said and done all that I would want to do. Let me now focus on other important work. It is up to other civil society people now to do something about this issue or not. I for one will go out of the room if and when Subi speaks from the NetMundial stage as a civil society rep. On Sunday 20 April 2014 06:24 AM, parminder wrote: > > Dear Ian and Carlos, > > Perhaps it does not behove me to say this since I am quite junior to > both of you in the global IG civil society space - but then I feel > that it is my unhappy duty to say it: I am pained that you have put > your considerable reputation and goodwill in this space in service of > defending what patently is political corruption of the highest order, > that too with regard to a model of MSism which you both so vigorously > promote. > > Yes, this particular instance is one of pure and simple political > corruption of the highest order, the kind which normally immediately > produces reactions of revulsion and outrage in civil society > groups...It is not personal. Thousands teach in colleges and have > political and social ambitions, and take various kinds of routes to > pursue them; similarly thousands work in NGOs like I do. I dont think > any of the signatories of the letter from Indian CS groups was in any > kind of keen competition to be in NetMundial organisational positions. > So, it should not matter to us that much who becomes the top CS reps > to the MetMundial... In any case, such is the diversity and structural > dis-organisation of civil society that different, often very > unexpected, kinds of appointments from civil society regularly takes > place, and we may whisper and complain among ourselves but always let > it be... It is kind of part of being civil society. > > This present one is not such a case. And in my view, for anyone > willing to be on guard against such subversions, it is not difficult > to see the nature of the issue here. As said, it is a case of highest > political corruption.. Big business from the US, backed by some strong > political interests in that country, have been working in India for > 2-3 years now to subvert India's political processes around IG > basically with the objective to keep its voice silent on the global > level... There have been much discussion inside India lately on this > phenomenon including some news reports. Will cut this story short.... > What I am coming to is, it is as a part of this political strategy > that Sub was picked up and promoted as a 'civil society voice' in > India. India has a proud culture of vibrant democracy and a rather > mature civil society, whereby it is of course absolutely unacceptable > for us, Indian civil society groups, that such a political subversion > and corruption takes place. This was and remains the cause of our > strong reaction. > > When, as they say in India, we saw the water go over the head, with > Subi's appointment as civil society co-chair of NetMundial, Indian > civil society groups took it as their responsibility to bring the > facts to the table, and make global actors cognizant about them. It is > not an easy decision to take - we all know that while one has to work > hard and devote much time to such kind of a thing, there will also > always be considerable comebacks, because we are dealing with actors > who are extremely resourcefully (obvious, when a completely unknown > person can suddenly be placed at the CS head position of a major > global meeting), and therefore expectation of counter personal > attacks, as indeed have been happening. It perhaps is this reason that > most of the other signatories of the letter have not come out publicly > on this list to present and push the case. (BTW, I may disclose that I > was neither the party to initiate the collective letter nor the news > item in Hindustan Times; just so that you all know.) > > What was surprising is that, when practically all civil society groups > in India, who are engaged with IG work - and have extensive work > relationships with all other global actors, often stronger than they > have among themselves - came out to present the facts on the ground > about the inappropriateness of Subi's selections, practically no one > from the global civil society expressed real support. (Yes, a good > quote from my email to be used by Subi.) I see this as primarily the > fault of the civil society leadership. They cannot be doing this with > their national CS partners, especially of a country with one seventh > of world's population and whose general maturity of civil society > processes cannot easily be questioned. But the fact that this did > happen points to serious structural flaws in the form and role of > civil society, especially its leadership, in MSist spaces. No, it is > not the civil society groups from India who lost here - it is the > global MSist civil society that has lost, and it may need to > introspect deeply about it, if it ever will... > > Apparently, the testimony of practically all the civil society groups > engaged with IG in India was not enough... Then came**this > investigative report > from > one of the largest and most-respected dailies of India. A report which > I know was being worked for more than 2 months. With extensive > interactions inter alia with all people who have been > namedadverselyin the report... I also happen to know that the involved > people personally met the senior most editors of the newspaper... All > opportunities for defence and clarification were given, and all > testimonies and material accepted. Senior editors thoroughly went over > all the details overs many days. Do not under-estimate the difficulty > and the extent of caution required with regard to a news report like > this one which implicates one of the most powerful and entrenched > lobbyist in the capital of India. For a long time when the report did > not appear, I actually thought, well the obvious has happened! But the > newspaper stood its ground and came out with a report presenting just > those facts about which it had absolute evidence, and which met their > very high reporting standards. > > So, you guys dont believe the statement of a full group of Indian > civil society organisations, and you do not believe even the > investigative news report in one of the most highly regarded > newspapers of India, a report which was researched for 2 months. Well, > in that case, it really must take something to make you believe - or > perhaps, you have decided your position already, which is not to rock > the MS (multistakeholder) boat as the highest priority, with all else > paling in comparison. > > Anywhere else, a case of this kind, where first the whole civil > society in an area makes a case, which is then supported by a well- > researched news story, will be an open and shut case for global civil > society to support. But not on this occasion...This is something you > all guys need to answer. There is nothing more for us, of Indian civil > society groups, to say... We are proud that we did a very difficult > civil society task of exposing political corruption, took an > 'insistent' public stand against it, and refused to be cowed down by > cat calls that have become customary on this list whenever any issue > implicating the power of big business or the US is raised..... > > One last point, though I think it may be superfluous, because you all > know and understand it. People here have been saying that there is no > evidence, which is quite surprising because this is one of few rare > cases (and thus must be pushed hard and fully capitalised on) where > there is actually considerable evidence of political corruption. Now, > this is not a court proceeding, really. Think of when, say in our own > countries, an appointment of an industry watchdog is made, or for an > anti- corruption body. What is the standard of knowledge and evidence > on which civil society will act on what they may regard as complete > inappropriateness of an appointment - and perhaps write petitions, > boycott proceedings, and so on... Just that level of knowledge and > evidence is needed in this case as well. And it is as clear as > daylight that such knowledge and evidence is indeed available. To act > or not, and whether to denounce or make light of those who indeed are > doing their civil society work, remains your own respective political > decisions. I see that you are inviting Subi to remain undeterred and > continue to engage with civil society here. We too are going to remain > undeterred in doing what we see as the real CS work. > > Best regards > > parminder > > PS: I will not respond to Subi's 'clarifications', and I can > understand her desperation as well the discomfort of those whose huge > interests are affected by this.... However, at one place in her recent > email there is a specific reference to my name, mentioning that her > recent appointment to some position in the WG on India IGF was with my > consent; this is lie typical of much of her statements ... There was > no such consent, something which is very easy to verify because the > room had around 30 people from gov, industry and CS, and there is also > avaiable an official document coming from the meeting. > > I do however see that the inference from the quote of Marilyn Cade was > an inadvertent error on the part of the journalist. > > > On Friday 18 April 2014 06:56 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> Absolutely agree with Ian, including the three wishes. >> >> fraternal regards >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 04/18/2014 12:48 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >>> Subi, >>> >>> It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. >>> I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help >>> to eventually clear the air. >>> >>> My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will >>> continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in >>> internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have >>> discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different >>> perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and >>> valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to >>> your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. >>> >>> My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way >>> to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not >>> immediate, but it is important we do so. >>> >>> My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Subi Chaturvedi >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM >>> *To:*governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> *Cc:*bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related >>> concerns raised by colleagues from India >>> >>> >>> Dear CS colleagues and friends, >>> >>> >>> This has reference to the article published in HT on 8^th April, 2014 >>> which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. >>> >>> At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing >>> solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, >>> misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, >>> as you'd realize after, going through this post. >>> >>> I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeatedand grave >>> provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting >>> all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues >>> that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why >>> we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time >>> engaging with the process, in the first place. >>> >>> I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those >>> who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me >>> publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without >>> a minimal comment from me.I wish to assure global civil society that our >>> views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple >>> interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work >>> across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my >>> colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the >>> situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real >>> challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we >>> focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant >>> oppurtunity for change. >>> >>> In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an >>> amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless >>> innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these >>> issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My >>> interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would >>> reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in >>> India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and >>> respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their >>> websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India >>> IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the >>> MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine >>> capturedare in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also >>> appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the >>> knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from >>> the floor. >>> >>> My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and >>> communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my >>> blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/* >>> >>> Now Iask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said >>> article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from >>> Indian CS- was it appropriate toincludeme in this story related to >>> surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than >>> to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed.As identified in >>> Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is >>> manipulative on multiple levels and makesseveral inaccurate assertions. >>> >>> Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you >>> that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and aharbinger >>> of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based >>> on this article. >>> >>> I submit the following for your consideration:the portions in italics >>> are direct quotes from the same article. >>> >>> . >>> >>> a. /“//Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed >>> Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” ./ >>> >>> You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, >>> this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to >>> the effect is missing fromthe story. I challenge anyone to put out any >>> evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for >>> me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is >>> quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into >>> question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious >>> even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder >>> Jeet singh repeatedly continuesto make. Despite a clarification on the >>> 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General >>> Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. >>> >>> >>> >>> b. “/Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T >>> official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:/ >>> >>> >>> >>> / /I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *_coach and >>> Mentor other proposals_*and IGF should limit it’s own”. >>> >>> Inline images 1 >>> >>> In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting >>> evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at >>> the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from >>> the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my >>> “coach and mentor”. >>> >>> c. “/She was also paid upwards of //Rs.// //2.3 lakh for her role at >>> a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also >>> received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. >>> This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a >>> civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and >>> corporate bodies”./ >>> >>> He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), >>> payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of >>> interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a >>> reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference >>> secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and >>> camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related >>> hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my >>> extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session >>> organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite >>> of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association >>> was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI >>> (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that >>> both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of >>> civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said >>> letter. >>> >>> >>> This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for >>> advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This >>> is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would >>> shy away from. >>> >>> Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, >>> charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film >>> and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public >>> domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of >>> privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human >>> rights. >>> >>> d. /Ph.D/: ** >>> >>> *Can a **mere research studentship**,**which I am still >>> pursuing**,****be**the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?*It >>> was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my >>> character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say >>> sorry”, to her for the offenseI had not committed and continue with her. >>> >>> With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly >>> manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I >>> have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. * >>> * >>> >>> *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has >>> ever**been given to me and hence no action has been taken against >>> me,*detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to >>> deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT >>> has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I.And my PhD. is well >>> underway.// >>> >>> // >>> >>> /*The letter of notable members of civil society.*/// >>> >>> The CS letter from Indiacarried the support of 10 individuals+1 author, >>> some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked >>> with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir,Anja Kovacs, >>> Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of >>> 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me >>> where Parminder was present through out. It is full of >>> misrepresentation.Their claimsare absurd that: >>> >>> /1- They don’t know me/// >>> >>> /2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space./// >>> >>> /3. They don’t know how to reach me//./// >>> >>> /4. And I do not teach IG/ >>> >>> *My Response**:*** >>> >>> Ø *Not only do they know me quite well*** >>> >>> Ø *We have hosted joint events, *** >>> >>> Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, *** >>> >>> Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, *** >>> >>> Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, *** >>> >>> Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, *** >>> >>> Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues >>> and events on IG, *** >>> >>> Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. *** >>> >>> Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated >>> and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. *** >>> >>> Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone *** >>> >>> Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my >>> inputs on their drafts. *** >>> >>> I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the >>> IG space with all of them individually or collectively. ** >>> >>> >>> The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by >>> >>> Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of >>> the CS letter), >>> >>> Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), >>> >>> Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- >>> co-signatory), >>> >>> Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), >>> >>> Ø Media For Change( represented by me) >>> >>> Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). >>> >>> Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions >>> and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal >>> response. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ​ >>> >>> >>> >>> More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden >>> this list)- >>> >>> One of the recent multistakeholder meetingon IGthat I co-organized >>> including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the >>> Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated >>> on many occasions and oftentake same positions publicly), was on the >>> 29^th January, 2014. >>> >>> >>> >>> Where I worked with >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) >>> >>> 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh >>> >>> 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan >>> >>> 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ​ >>> >>> _ >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> * >>> >>> *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:*** >>> >>> >>> >>> Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked >>> for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet >>> Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS >>> fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, RishabBailey the >>> author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC >>> (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently >>> represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who >>> is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented >>> on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are >>> respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other >>> IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. >>> >>> >>> >>> CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple >>> panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and >>> at the CIS website >>> >>> http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi >>> >>> >>> They are all signatories to the letter. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written tome, or >>> supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again >>> for reposing yourfaith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all >>> times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * >>> >>> >>> Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the >>> journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and >>> unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for >>> the work that my colleagues do. >>> >>> >>> I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in >>> Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with >>> any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate >>> in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the >>> best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG >>> ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, >>> which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation >>> and connects the unconnected. >>> >>> >>> More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here >>> http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ >>> >>> >>> and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for >>> ready reference* >>> >>> https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 >>> >>> I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are >>> being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document >>> will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in >>> Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have >>> also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a >>> multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. >>> >>> Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have >>> you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both >>> profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to >>> emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace >>> building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply >>> inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national >>> and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a >>> fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of >>> us but let's put our best foot forward. >>> >>> Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. >>> >>> Safe travels, all. >>> >>> >>> Warmest, >>> >>> >>> Subi >>> ---- >>> >>> Subi Chaturvedi >>> >>> Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, >>> >>> Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), >>> >>> Delhi University, India >>> >>> Twitter:@subichaturvedi >>> >>> http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ >>> >>> >>> Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) >>> >>> Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) >>> Convenor WG-India IGF >>> Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) >>> >>> >>> Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, >>> >>> Media For Change >>> >>> >>> Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor >>> >>> The Saltlist >>> >>> www.thesaltlist.org >>> >>> >>> Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, >>> >>> Curator, Media Critic & Scholar >>> >>> >>> PhD. Scholar, >>> >>> Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi >>> >>> >>> >>> PS: >>> >>> >>> Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot >>> ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of >>> speech and expression: >>> >>> * >>> * >>> >>> *IG specific Roles:* >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) >>> fellowship for IG 2014-2015 >>> >>> 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 >>> >>> 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG >>> >>> 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 >>> >>> 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 >>> >>> 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 >>> >>> 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation >>> IGF 2013 >>> >>> 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of >>> Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 >>> >>> 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 >>> >>> 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 >>> >>> *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and >>> national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives >>> on information and communication especially for under-represented >>> stakeholder groups in IG.* >>> >>> * >>> * >>> >>> I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my >>> contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. >>> >>> >>> https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 >>> >>> >>> I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not >>> limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law >>> and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant >>> Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of >>> Delhi University. >>> >>> I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in >>> mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the >>> NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central >>> universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt >>> and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-Das a part time registered >>> PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking >>> full classes and contributing to the College immensely. >>> >>> My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of >>> India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the >>> 18^th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here >>> >>> http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece >>> >>> It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. >>> >>> An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of >>> Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the >>> documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and >>> expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha >>> Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India). >>> >>> http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html >>> >>> The position that I often take isagainst corporatization and control of >>> the media including the Internet by a few,be they governments, private >>> sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil >>> society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and >>> substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF >>> website. >>> >>> *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in >>> this academic year 2013-2014:* >>> >>> My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead >>> opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on >>> why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. >>> >>> _http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece_ >>> >>> My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on >>> freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was >>> screened at theIIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the >>> prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and >>> Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, >>> were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. >>> >>> >>> In recognition of _my _*_contribution to Internet and society_*_,_I been >>> awarded: >>> >>> 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), >>> >>> Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. >>> >>> 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two >>> stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF >>> MAG, for the second consecutive term. >>> >>> 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder >>> Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. >>> >>> 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of >>> the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, >>> Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG >>> (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance >>> Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. >>> >>> 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed >>> on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and >>> regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- >>> Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for >>> it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of >>> India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also >>> organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as >>> a panelist. >>> >>> 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will >>> Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general >>> election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and >>> eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), >>> New Delhi. >>> >>> 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in >>> promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. >>> >>> 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of >>> Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF >>> foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, >>> STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of >>> the letter. >>> >>> 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New >>> Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would >>> reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is >>> online with our interventions and images together. >>> >>> 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a >>> democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and >>> lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. >>> Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. >>> Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. >>> >>> 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder >>> panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet >>> Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A >>> Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional >>> and national Internet & ICT initiatives. >>> >>> 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth >>> -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital >>> Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. >>> >>> 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on >>> national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women >>> safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. >>> >>> 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- >>> Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they >>> mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan >>> eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, >>> Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. >>> >>> 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on >>> “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global >>> leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical >>> community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. >>> >>> 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The >>> Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for >>> us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical >>> community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to >>> share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly >>> prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. >>> >>> 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth >>> leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. >>> >>> 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the >>> Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institutionwith over 300 youth >>> delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the >>> media on the role of media and youth in election 2014particularly the >>> impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying >>> participation of the youth. >>> >>> 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training >>> workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies >>> on social media. >>> >>> 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young >>> leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This >>> was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held >>> on the world internet day. >>> >>> 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on >>> Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of >>> the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. >>> >>> 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the >>> on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the >>> youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A >>> NASSCOM initiative). >>> >>> 23) I am a member of the International Association for >>> Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> warmest >>> >>> Subi >>> ---- >>> >>> Subi Chaturvedi >>> >>> Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, >>> >>> Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), >>> >>> Delhi University, India >>> >>> Twitter:@subichaturvedi >>> >>> http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ >>> >>> >>> Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) >>> >>> Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) >>> >>> Convenor WG-India IGF >>> >>> Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) >>> >>> >>> Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, >>> >>> Media For Change >>> >>> >>> Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor >>> >>> The Saltlist >>> >>> www.thesaltlist.org >>> >>> >>> Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, >>> >>> Curator, Media Critic & Scholar >>> >>> >>> PhD. Scholar, >>> >>> Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email:http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sat Apr 19 21:50:22 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 07:20:22 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <5353209C.9060901@itforchange.net> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <5353209C.9060901@itforchange.net> Message-ID: This reminds me so much of that quote from "the godfather" - "it is not personal, it is business" Of course the people who said that were mafiosos talking about killing rather than civil society people discussing character assassination. --srs (iPad) > On 20-Apr-2014, at 6:49, parminder wrote: > > That alone is the context of the plagiarism charges, and thus they are not of a personal nature but fully political. > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Sun Apr 20 00:07:31 2014 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 13:07:31 +0900 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <5353209C.9060901@itforchange.net> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <5353209C.9060901@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Frankly, I think this topic is far less important than the substantive topics. I understand how Parminder and other Indian CS friends feel. I also find Subi's message fairly reasonable. Beyond that, I hesitate to discuss or make judgement on which side is right. It is very difficult and sometimes inappropriate to get into "local" issues from outside. It is very difficult or impossible to find what is true inside India on this topic and I rather like to refrain from making judgement. Newspaper reporting is important, but I don't trust most big media per se. I don't know the reputation of HT. Making judgement of a person by 1 article seem to be not sufficient, and I don't have much time to read more ;-) If I have some problem within CS circle in Japan, or with other stakeholder in Japan on local issues, then I would not like to ask outsiders to support or understand the issue that much. Yes, this is somehow linked to the "global" multistakeholder governance, and NETMundial or IGF MAG (I am the member of MAG), but again, I am not in the position to make judgement. Finally, NETMundial itself is a two-day event and whoever is the Chair or Vice Chair, who represents from which stakeholder group is not pragmatically important. I do not deny that it is theoretically important for us all. I am taking the flight today, and need to read all the document. May have little time to make comments, though. Let's work together! izumi 2014-04-20 10:19 GMT+09:00 parminder : > > Subi's email says that there is no evidence that she is associated with > corporate interests and have been representing them... Well, this is the > crux of the issue - what or whom does she represent, and what is the basis > of her ascendency to representational positions in multi stakeholder > structures. > > It must be obvious that MetMundial Chair does not personally know Subi > and therefore obviously someone proposed her name for civil society co > chair... We know for sure that she did not go through any civil society > nominations process, some of which got organised.... I also dont think that > any civil society person or leader of any standing proposed her name to the > Chair. (I may be wrong but then that can be easily corrected by the Chair, > that civil society person(s) or Subi telling us the facts.) > > Now, if civil society did not recommend her to the Chair, then who did... > This is the simple question we are asking... I do not, for the moment, even > seek to challenge the Chair's right to act on any recommendation or not, or > the appropriateness of the recommending party.... I just want to know - as > a civil society person - who recommended her.... > > And of course, even Subi would know who recommended her, right?. Why does > she not share that name(s) with us, and the air will really clear, about > who pushed her into that position, and then it can be left to people to > draw inferences, or not, about whose interests she may be representing. > > Or does Subi want to tell us that she simply has no idea, and that she was > sitting at home with not the slightest premonition and the news suddenly > arrived that she has been selected as NetMudial's CS co-chair. > > The draft NetMundial draft says: > > > - > > Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet > governance processes should be selected through open and transparent > processes. Different stakeholder groups should self-manage their processes > based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and accountable mechanisms. > > > Therefore, we are not asking for something radical - let the organisers > and Subi herself tell us, who recommended her to the position of co-chair. > > A very similar thing happened a few months back, which makes a pattern > that cannot be ignored. We heard the news that Subi was made a MAG member. > Now, again we know that she did not come through any civil society process > whereas almost all other/earlier CS MAG members seem to have some through > such a process. I understand that the journalist who did the Hindustan > Times story sought this information from the MAG secretariat/ Chair but > drew a blank. > > Now, again, the report of the CSTD Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation, > stamped now with the authority of the UN General Assembly clearly seeks > transparency in the process of stakeholder representative selection and > self-management of the process by different groups. > > Then why does the MAG chair/ secretariat and also Subi not tell us who > recommended her to the MAG. Do we not have the right to know. > > Last point: There have been some concern here about public parading of > (proven) plagiarism charges against Subi. The fact is that I do not care > how people earn their degrees and do their PhDs... Everyone has skeletons > in the cupboard which are best left there.... But, here again this issue > comes up only with regard to the central question that we are seized of - > whom or what does Subi represent in the positions that she is holding. > There has been a certain slipperiness in her statements in this regard. If > she is pushed about her civil society credential, she often says that she > represents media, and at other times, that she represents the academic > community .... Now, if indeed it is on the credential of academic community > that she has come into these positions, then the current controversies > regarding her standing and conduct in the concerned academic institutions > is certainly of direct relevance to the issue of representation. That alone > is the context of the plagiarism charges, and thus they are not of a > personal nature but fully political. > > parminder > > PS: It is our job as civil society activists to oppose political > corruption, and be relentless about it. Such work gets done at enormous > personal costs, which I will not get into explaining here. But I think I > have said and done all that I would want to do. Let me now focus on other > important work. It is up to other civil society people now to do something > about this issue or not. I for one will go out of the room if and when Subi > speaks from the NetMundial stage as a civil society rep. > > > On Sunday 20 April 2014 06:24 AM, parminder wrote: > > > Dear Ian and Carlos, > > Perhaps it does not behove me to say this since I am quite junior to both > of you in the global IG civil society space - but then I feel that it is my > unhappy duty to say it: I am pained that you have put your considerable > reputation and goodwill in this space in service of defending what patently > is political corruption of the highest order, that too with regard to a > model of MSism which you both so vigorously promote. > > Yes, this particular instance is one of pure and simple political > corruption of the highest order, the kind which normally immediately > produces reactions of revulsion and outrage in civil society groups...It is > not personal. Thousands teach in colleges and have political and social > ambitions, and take various kinds of routes to pursue them; similarly > thousands work in NGOs like I do. I dont think any of the signatories of > the letter from Indian CS groups was in any kind of keen competition to be > in NetMundial organisational positions. So, it should not matter to us that > much who becomes the top CS reps to the MetMundial... In any case, such is > the diversity and structural dis-organisation of civil society that > different, often very unexpected, kinds of appointments from civil society > regularly takes place, and we may whisper and complain among ourselves but > always let it be... It is kind of part of being civil society. > > This present one is not such a case. And in my view, for anyone willing to > be on guard against such subversions, it is not difficult to see the nature > of the issue here. As said, it is a case of highest political corruption.. > Big business from the US, backed by some strong political interests in that > country, have been working in India for 2-3 years now to subvert India's > political processes around IG basically with the objective to keep its > voice silent on the global level... There have been much discussion inside > India lately on this phenomenon including some news reports. Will cut this > story short.... What I am coming to is, it is as a part of this political > strategy that Sub was picked up and promoted as a 'civil society voice' in > India. India has a proud culture of vibrant democracy and a rather mature > civil society, whereby it is of course absolutely unacceptable for us, > Indian civil society groups, that such a political subversion and > corruption takes place. This was and remains the cause of our strong > reaction. > > When, as they say in India, we saw the water go over the head, with Subi's > appointment as civil society co-chair of NetMundial, Indian civil society > groups took it as their responsibility to bring the facts to the table, and > make global actors cognizant about them. It is not an easy decision to take > - we all know that while one has to work hard and devote much time to such > kind of a thing, there will also always be considerable comebacks, because > we are dealing with actors who are extremely resourcefully (obvious, when a > completely unknown person can suddenly be placed at the CS head position > of a major global meeting), and therefore expectation of counter personal > attacks, as indeed have been happening. It perhaps is this reason that most > of the other signatories of the letter have not come out publicly on this > list to present and push the case. (BTW, I may disclose that I was neither > the party to initiate the collective letter nor the news item in Hindustan > Times; just so that you all know.) > > What was surprising is that, when practically all civil society groups in > India, who are engaged with IG work - and have extensive work relationships > with all other global actors, often stronger than they have among > themselves - came out to present the facts on the ground about the > inappropriateness of Subi's selections, practically no one from the global > civil society expressed real support. (Yes, a good quote from my email to > be used by Subi.) I see this as primarily the fault of the civil society > leadership. They cannot be doing this with their national CS partners, > especially of a country with one seventh of world's population and whose > general maturity of civil society processes cannot easily be questioned . > But the fact that this did happen points to serious structural flaws in the > form and role of civil society, especially its leadership, in MSist spaces. > No, it is not the civil society groups from India who lost here - it is the > global MSist civil society that has lost, and it may need to introspect > deeply about it, if it ever will... > > Apparently, the testimony of practically all the civil society groups > engaged with IG in India was not enough... Then came this investigative > report > from > one of the largest and most-respected dailies of India. A report which I > know was being worked for more than 2 months. With extensive interactions > inter alia with all people who have been named adversely in the > report... I also happen to know that the involved people personally met the > senior most editors of the newspaper... All opportunities for defence and > clarification were given, and all testimonies and material accepted. Senior > editors thoroughly went over all the details overs many days. Do not > under-estimate the difficulty and the extent of caution required with > regard to a news report like this one which implicates one of the most > powerful and entrenched lobbyist in the capital of India. For a long time > when the report did not appear, I actually thought, well the obvious has > happened! But the newspaper stood its ground and came out with a report > presenting just those facts about which it had absolute evidence, and which > met their very high reporting standards. > > So, you guys dont believe the statement of a full group of Indian civil > society organisations, and you do not believe even the investigative news > report in one of the most highly regarded newspapers of India, a report > which was researched for 2 months. Well, in that case, it really must take > something to make you believe - or perhaps, you have decided your position > already, which is not to rock the MS (multistakeholder) boat as the highest > priority, with all else paling in comparison. > > Anywhere else, a case of this kind, where first the whole civil society in > an area makes a case, which is then supported by a well- researched news > story, will be an open and shut case for global civil society to support. > But not on this occasion...This is something you all guys need to answer. > There is nothing more for us, of Indian civil society groups, to say... We > are proud that we did a very difficult civil society task of exposing > political corruption, took an 'insistent' public stand against it, and > refused to be cowed down by cat calls that have become customary on this > list whenever any issue implicating the power of big business or the US is > raised..... > > One last point, though I think it may be superfluous, because you all know > and understand it. People here have been saying that there is no evidence, > which is quite surprising because this is one of few rare cases (and thus > must be pushed hard and fully capitalised on) where there is actually > considerable evidence of political corruption. Now, this is not a court > proceeding, really. Think of when, say in our own countries, an appointment > of an industry watchdog is made, or for an anti- corruption body. What is > the standard of knowledge and evidence on which civil society will act on > what they may regard as complete inappropriateness of an appointment - and > perhaps write petitions, boycott proceedings, and so on... Just that level > of knowledge and evidence is needed in this case as well. And it is as > clear as daylight that such knowledge and evidence is indeed available. To > act or not, and whether to denounce or make light of those who indeed are > doing their civil society work, remains your own respective political > decisions. I see that you are inviting Subi to remain undeterred and > continue to engage with civil society here. We too are going to remain > undeterred in doing what we see as the real CS work. > > Best regards > > parminder > > PS: I will not respond to Subi's 'clarifications', and I can understand > her desperation as well the discomfort of those whose huge interests are > affected by this.... However, at one place in her recent email there is a > specific reference to my name, mentioning that her recent appointment to > some position in the WG on India IGF was with my consent; this is lie > typical of much of her statements ... There was no such consent, something > which is very easy to verify because the room had around 30 people from > gov, industry and CS, and there is also avaiable an official document > coming from the meeting. > > I do however see that the inference from the quote of Marilyn Cade was an > inadvertent error on the part of the journalist. > > > On Friday 18 April 2014 06:56 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Absolutely agree with Ian, including the three wishes. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 04/18/2014 12:48 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Subi, > > It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. > I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help > to eventually clear the air. > > My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will > continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in > internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have > discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different > perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and > valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to > your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. > > My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way > to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not > immediate, but it is important we do so. > > My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! > > Ian Peter > > > > *From:* Subi Chaturvedi > *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related > concerns raised by colleagues from India > > > Dear CS colleagues and friends, > > > This has reference to the article published in HT on 8^th April, 2014 > which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. > > At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing > solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, > misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, > as you'd realize after, going through this post. > > I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeatedand grave > provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting > all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues > that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why > we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time > engaging with the process, in the first place. > > I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those > who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me > publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without > a minimal comment from me.I wish to assure global civil society that our > views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple > interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work > across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my > colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the > situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real > challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we > focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant > oppurtunity for change. > > In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an > amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless > innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these > issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My > interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would > reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in > India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and > respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their > websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India > IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the > MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine > capturedare in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also > appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the > knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from > the floor. > > My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and > communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my > blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/* > > Now Iask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said > article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from > Indian CS- was it appropriate toincludeme in this story related to > surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than > to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed.As identified in > Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is > manipulative on multiple levels and makesseveral inaccurate assertions. > > Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you > that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and aharbinger > of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based > on this article. > > I submit the following for your consideration:the portions in italics > are direct quotes from the same article. > > . > > a. /“//Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed > Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” ./ > > You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, > this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to > the effect is missing fromthe story. I challenge anyone to put out any > evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for > me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is > quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into > question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious > even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder > Jeet singh repeatedly continuesto make. Despite a clarification on the > 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General > Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. > > > > b. “/Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T > official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:/ > > > > / /I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *_coach and > Mentor other proposals_*and IGF should limit it’s own”. > > Inline images 1 > > In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting > evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at > the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from > the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my > “coach and mentor”. > > c. “/She was also paid upwards of //Rs.// //2.3 lakh for her role at > a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also > received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. > This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a > civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and > corporate bodies”./ > > He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), > payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of > interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a > reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference > secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and > camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related > hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my > extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session > organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite > of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association > was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI > (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that > both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of > civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said > letter. > > > This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for > advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This > is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would > shy away from. > > Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, > charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film > and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public > domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of > privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human > rights. > > d. /Ph.D/: ** > > *Can a **mere research studentship**,**which I am still > pursuing**,****be**the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?*It > was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my > character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say > sorry”, to her for the offenseI had not committed and continue with her. > > With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly > manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I > have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. * > * > > *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has > ever**been given to me and hence no action has been taken against > me,*detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to > deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT > has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I.And my PhD. is well > underway.// > > // > > /*The letter of notable members of civil society.*/// > > The CS letter from Indiacarried the support of 10 individuals+1 author, > some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked > with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir,Anja Kovacs, > Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of > 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me > where Parminder was present through out. It is full of > misrepresentation.Their claimsare absurd that: > > /1- They don’t know me/// > > /2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space./// > > /3. They don’t know how to reach me//./// > > /4. And I do not teach IG/ > > *My Response**:*** > > Ø *Not only do they know me quite well*** > > Ø *We have hosted joint events, *** > > Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, *** > > Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, *** > > Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, *** > > Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, *** > > Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues > and events on IG, *** > > Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. *** > > Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated > and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. *** > > Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone *** > > Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my > inputs on their drafts. *** > > I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the > IG space with all of them individually or collectively. ** > > > The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by > > Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of > the CS letter), > > Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), > > Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- > co-signatory), > > Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), > > Ø Media For Change( represented by me) > > Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). > > Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions > and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal > response. > > > > > ​ > > > > More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden > this list)- > > One of the recent multistakeholder meetingon IGthat I co-organized > including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the > Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated > on many occasions and oftentake same positions publicly), was on the > 29^th January, 2014. > > > > Where I worked with > > > > 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) > > 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh > > 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan > > 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs > > > > > ​ > > _ > > > > * > * > > *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:*** > > > > Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked > for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet > Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS > fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, RishabBailey the > author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC > (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently > represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who > is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented > on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are > respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other > IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. > > > > CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple > panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and > at the CIS website > http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi > > > They are all signatories to the letter. > > > > *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written tome, or > supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again > for reposing yourfaith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all > times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * > > > Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the > journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and > unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for > the work that my colleagues do. > > > I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in > Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with > any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate > in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the > best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG > ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, > which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation > and connects the unconnected. > > > More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog herehttp://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for > ready reference* > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 > > I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are > being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document > will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in > Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have > also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a > multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. > > Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have > you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both > profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to > emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace > building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply > inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national > and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a > fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of > us but let's put our best foot forward. > > Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. > > Safe travels, all. > > > Warmest, > > > Subi > ---- > > Subi Chaturvedi > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > Delhi University, India > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > Convenor WG-India IGF > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > Media For Change > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > The Saltlist > www.thesaltlist.org > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > PhD. Scholar, > > Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi > > > > PS: > > > Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot > ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of > speech and expression: > > * > * > > *IG specific Roles:* > > > > 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) > fellowship for IG 2014-2015 > > 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 > > 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG > > 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 > > 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 > > 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 > > 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation > IGF 2013 > > 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of > Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 > > 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 > > 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 > > *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and > national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives > on information and communication especially for under-represented > stakeholder groups in IG.* > > * > * > > I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my > contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. > > https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 > > > I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not > limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law > and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant > Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of > Delhi University. > > I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in > mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the > NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central > universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt > and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-Das a part time registered > PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking > full classes and contributing to the College immensely. > > My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of > India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the > 18^th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here > http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece > > It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. > > An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of > Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the > documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and > expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha > Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India). > http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html > > The position that I often take isagainst corporatization and control of > the media including the Internet by a few,be they governments, private > sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil > society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and > substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF > website. > > *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in > this academic year 2013-2014:* > > My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead > opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on > why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. > > _http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece_ > > My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on > freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was > screened at theIIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the > prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and > Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, > were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. > > > In recognition of _my _*_contribution to Internet and society_*_,_I been > awarded: > > 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), > > Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. > > 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two > stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF > MAG, for the second consecutive term. > > 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder > Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. > > 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of > the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, > Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG > (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance > Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. > > 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed > on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and > regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- > Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for > it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of > India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also > organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as > a panelist. > > 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will > Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general > election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and > eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), > New Delhi. > > 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in > promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. > > 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of > Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF > foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, > STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of > the letter. > > 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New > Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would > reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is > online with our interventions and images together. > > 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a > democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and > lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. > Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. > Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. > > 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder > panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet > Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A > Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional > and national Internet & ICT initiatives. > > 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth > -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital > Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. > > 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on > national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women > safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. > > 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- > Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they > mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan > eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, > Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. > > 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on > “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global > leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical > community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. > > 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The > Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for > us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical > community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to > share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly > prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. > > 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth > leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. > > 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the > Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institutionwith over 300 youth > delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the > media on the role of media and youth in election 2014particularly the > impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying > participation of the youth. > > 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training > workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies > on social media. > > 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young > leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This > was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held > on the world internet day. > > 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on > Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of > the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. > > 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the > on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the > youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A > NASSCOM initiative). > > 23) I am a member of the International Association for > Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). > > > > > warmest > > Subi > ---- > > Subi Chaturvedi > > Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, > > Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), > > Delhi University, India > > Twitter:@subichaturvedi > http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ > > > Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) > > Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) > > Convenor WG-India IGF > > Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) > > > Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, > > Media For Change > > > Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor > > The Saltlist > www.thesaltlist.org > > > Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, > > Curator, Media Critic & Scholar > > > PhD. Scholar, > > Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Apr 20 14:27:33 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:27:33 +1000 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> Dear Parminder, My understanding, as of today, is that the Co-Chairs will now have no formal role during the meeting, and their formal involvement in that capacity will end before the meeting starts. So I think in those circumstances there is nothing more we need to or should do at this stage. We need to focus our immediate intention on getting the best result from the meeting we can. This particular matter (along with a few other less than perfect process issues in the lead up to this conference) will be best addressed in a post meeting evaluation process, where we can look at all the ways that civil society can work more effectively together on any such future event. There are quite a few lessons to learn, I think. With all the benefit of hindsight, things may have been better if this had been discussed thoroughly on our lists at the time of the original letter sent by your group of Indian civil society organisations to Prof Almeida. A good discussion could have been about having a diplomatically worded letter drafted by the whole of civil society, in support of the matters your group raised about the appointment. It would have been best if the matter was fully discussed and dealt with then. However, if you remember the circumstances, IGC had been reduced to one co-ordinator who was about to retire, and this list was at its divisive best on any matter, be it policy on process. I would personally have supported a diplomatically worded letter if it had been discussed and agreed to, and so would many others. I am sorry that did not happen. Ian From: parminder Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:54 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India Dear Ian and Carlos, Perhaps it does not behove me to say this since I am quite junior to both of you in the global IG civil society space - but then I feel that it is my unhappy duty to say it: I am pained that you have put your considerable reputation and goodwill in this space in service of defending what patently is political corruption of the highest order, that too with regard to a model of MSism which you both so vigorously promote. Yes, this particular instance is one of pure and simple political corruption of the highest order, the kind which normally immediately produces reactions of revulsion and outrage in civil society groups...It is not personal. Thousands teach in colleges and have political and social ambitions, and take various kinds of routes to pursue them; similarly thousands work in NGOs like I do. I dont think any of the signatories of the letter from Indian CS groups was in any kind of keen competition to be in NetMundial organisational positions. So, it should not matter to us that much who becomes the top CS reps to the MetMundial... In any case, such is the diversity and structural dis-organisation of civil society that different, often very unexpected, kinds of appointments from civil society regularly takes place, and we may whisper and complain among ourselves but always let it be... It is kind of part of being civil society. This present one is not such a case. And in my view, for anyone willing to be on guard against such subversions, it is not difficult to see the nature of the issue here. As said, it is a case of highest political corruption.. Big business from the US, backed by some strong political interests in that country, have been working in India for 2-3 years now to subvert India's political processes around IG basically with the objective to keep its voice silent on the global level... There have been much discussion inside India lately on this phenomenon including some news reports. Will cut this story short.... What I am coming to is, it is as a part of this political strategy that Sub was picked up and promoted as a 'civil society voice' in India. India has a proud culture of vibrant democracy and a rather mature civil society, whereby it is of course absolutely unacceptable for us, Indian civil society groups, that such a political subversion and corruption takes place. This was and remains the cause of our strong reaction. When, as they say in India, we saw the water go over the head, with Subi's appointment as civil society co-chair of NetMundial, Indian civil society groups took it as their responsibility to bring the facts to the table, and make global actors cognizant about them. It is not an easy decision to take - we all know that while one has to work hard and devote much time to such kind of a thing, there will also always be considerable comebacks, because we are dealing with actors who are extremely resourcefully (obvious, when a completely unknown person can suddenly be placed at the CS head position of a major global meeting), and therefore expectation of counter personal attacks, as indeed have been happening. It perhaps is this reason that most of the other signatories of the letter have not come out publicly on this list to present and push the case. (BTW, I may disclose that I was neither the party to initiate the collective letter nor the news item in Hindustan Times; just so that you all know.) What was surprising is that, when practically all civil society groups in India, who are engaged with IG work - and have extensive work relationships with all other global actors, often stronger than they have among themselves - came out to present the facts on the ground about the inappropriateness of Subi's selections, practically no one from the global civil society expressed real support. (Yes, a good quote from my email to be used by Subi.) I see this as primarily the fault of the civil society leadership. They cannot be doing this with their national CS partners, especially of a country with one seventh of world's population and whose general maturity of civil society processes cannot easily be questioned . But the fact that this did happen points to serious structural flaws in the form and role of civil society, especially its leadership, in MSist spaces. No, it is not the civil society groups from India who lost here - it is the global MSist civil society that has lost, and it may need to introspect deeply about it, if it ever will... Apparently, the testimony of practically all the civil society groups engaged with IG in India was not enough... Then came this investigative report from one of the largest and most-respected dailies of India. A report which I know was being worked for more than 2 months. With extensive interactions inter alia with all people who have been named adversely in the report... I also happen to know that the involved people personally met the senior most editors of the newspaper... All opportunities for defence and clarification were given, and all testimonies and material accepted. Senior editors thoroughly went over all the details overs many days. Do not under-estimate the difficulty and the extent of caution required with regard to a news report like this one which implicates one of the most powerful and entrenched lobbyist in the capital of India. For a long time when the report did not appear, I actually thought, well the obvious has happened! But the newspaper stood its ground and came out with a report presenting just those facts about which it had absolute evidence, and which met their very high reporting standards. So, you guys dont believe the statement of a full group of Indian civil society organisations, and you do not believe even the investigative news report in one of the most highly regarded newspapers of India, a report which was researched for 2 months. Well, in that case, it really must take something to make you believe - or perhaps, you have decided your position already, which is not to rock the MS (multistakeholder) boat as the highest priority, with all else paling in comparison. Anywhere else, a case of this kind, where first the whole civil society in an area makes a case, which is then supported by a well- researched news story, will be an open and shut case for global civil society to support. But not on this occasion...This is something you all guys need to answer. There is nothing more for us, of Indian civil society groups, to say... We are proud that we did a very difficult civil society task of exposing political corruption, took an 'insistent' public stand against it, and refused to be cowed down by cat calls that have become customary on this list whenever any issue implicating the power of big business or the US is raised..... One last point, though I think it may be superfluous, because you all know and understand it. People here have been saying that there is no evidence, which is quite surprising because this is one of few rare cases (and thus must be pushed hard and fully capitalised on) where there is actually considerable evidence of political corruption. Now, this is not a court proceeding, really. Think of when, say in our own countries, an appointment of an industry watchdog is made, or for an anti- corruption body. What is the standard of knowledge and evidence on which civil society will act on what they may regard as complete inappropriateness of an appointment - and perhaps write petitions, boycott proceedings, and so on... Just that level of knowledge and evidence is needed in this case as well. And it is as clear as daylight that such knowledge and evidence is indeed available. To act or not, and whether to denounce or make light of those who indeed are doing their civil society work, remains your own respective political decisions. I see that you are inviting Subi to remain undeterred and continue to engage with civil society here. We too are going to remain undeterred in doing what we see as the real CS work. Best regards parminder PS: I will not respond to Subi's 'clarifications', and I can understand her desperation as well the discomfort of those whose huge interests are affected by this.... However, at one place in her recent email there is a specific reference to my name, mentioning that her recent appointment to some position in the WG on India IGF was with my consent; this is lie typical of much of her statements ... There was no such consent, something which is very easy to verify because the room had around 30 people from gov, industry and CS, and there is also avaiable an official document coming from the meeting. I do however see that the inference from the quote of Marilyn Cade was an inadvertent error on the part of the journalist. On Friday 18 April 2014 06:56 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: Absolutely agree with Ian, including the three wishes. fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/18/2014 12:48 AM, Ian Peter wrote: Subi, It would have taken a lot of courage to write that, and to engage here. I am very glad you did,and thank you for doing so, because it will help to eventually clear the air. My first wish is that, whatever the reactions are to your post, you will continue to engage here with the rest of civil society interested in internet governance. It’s not always a friendly space, as others have discovered, but the interchange and dialogue among people with different perspectives here is important, and leads to more constructive and valuable inputs for civil society as a whole. Whatever the reactions to your post are, I hope you continue to engage here. My second wish is that everyone involved in this dispute can find a way to move past these issues. That’s not going to be easy, and perhaps not immediate, but it is important we do so. My third and final wish is that my first and second wishes come to fruition! Ian Peter *From:* Subi Chaturvedi mailto:subi.igp at gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 7:56 AM *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net *Subject:* [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India Dear CS colleagues and friends, This has reference to the article published in HT on 8^th April, 2014 which has been shared and referred to on this mailing list, multiple times. At the outset I want to thank all of you who have written to me showing solidarity against this vicious personal attack, based on wrong, misleading and manipulated information, indicative of a perverse mind, as you'd realize after, going through this post. I had chosen to maintain silence in the face of repeatedand grave provocation but the attacks continue unabated, thwarting and disrupting all attempts at having any civilized conversation about the key issues that concern global CS, even on the eve of Netmundial. The reason why we've invested our energy, faith and considerable amount of time engaging with the process, in the first place. I am now also compelled to write this email, for it is unfair on those who have shown solidarity with me by writing to me or defending me publicly on this list and elsewhere, to be left in this position without a minimal comment from me.I wish to assure global civil society that our views are being shared, represented and recognised. I have made multiple interventions on the calls as well as over emails and continue to work across time zones to ensure that our views are reflected. Anriette, my colleague from the MAG, has done a fairly balanced assessment of the situation though, and I completely agree with her, we have real challenges ahead of us. I think our time would be utilised better if we focus on the issues at hand- in Netmundial, I see a significant oppurtunity for change. In the internet, I see not just a source of knowledge but also an amplifier of dissent and an enabler of human rights and permissionless innovation. I have been a free speech activist and have fought for these issues long and hard and therefore this is deeply painful. My interventions are available publicly and a basic name search would reveal my interventions at the global IGF as well on national media in India. Many of these national meetings have been with my friends and respected colleagues from civil society in India and remain on their websites or any outreach platforms of communication. At the last India IGF MAG meeting where three of the co-signatories, who are also on the MAG, made interventions with me. Their interventions and mine capturedare in the official minutes. In the same meeting I was also appointed as the convenor of the Working group of the India IGF with the knowledge and consent of Mr.Parmindar from ITfC and with consensus from the floor. My work in the Internet Governance Space and related areas of media and communication, deepening democracy and public policy can be found on my blog *http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/* Now Iask all of you, who have been relentlessly subjected to the said article and appeals by my respectable colleagues and collaborators from Indian CS- was it appropriate toincludeme in this story related to surveillance by a corporate? Is there any connection at all? Other than to cause harm to me; in which they miserably failed.As identified in Ian’s email, apart from being a vicious personal attack, the article is manipulative on multiple levels and makesseveral inaccurate assertions. Notwithstanding this unfortunate exception, I want to assure all of you that journalism in India is free, fair for the most part, and aharbinger of truth and justice. I would urge you not to judge Indian media based on this article. I submit the following for your consideration:the portions in italics are direct quotes from the same article. . a. /“//Emails accessed by HT suggest that Bhatia championed Chaturvedi's rise in Indian internet governance circles” ./ You would surely notice that while pdfs of all charges were hyperlinked, this allegation conspicuously remains unsubstantiated and any proof to the effect is missing fromthe story. I challenge anyone to put out any evidence of anyone- either me or anyone, at all doing any advocacy for me to be appointed as the co-chair of Netmundial or on the MAG. It is quite unfortunate that my work and my merit should be called into question. Undermining all multistakeholder processes. However malicious even the article does not make this extrapolation that Mr. Parminder Jeet singh repeatedly continuesto make. Despite a clarification on the 4th of April, 2014 issued by the distinguished academician and General Chair of the Meeting Minister Virgilio Almeida. b. “/Chaturvedi has also publicly acknowledged a former AT&T official, Marylin Cade as a "coach and mentor”:/ / /I quote the same tweet: “frm (from) Ms. Marilyn Cade *_coach and Mentor other proposals_*and IGF should limit it’s own”. Inline images 1 In plain violation of the most basic tenets of journalism concocting evidence, he disingenuously parades my tweet about Ms. Cade’s comment at the UN MAG to “coach and mentor other proposals and limit proposals from the MAG itself” as my “public acknowledgement” of Ms. Cade being my “coach and mentor”. c. “/She was also paid upwards of //Rs.// //2.3 lakh for her role at a FICCI-led conference on internet governance. Subsequently, she also received part-funding from FICCI to attend an international conference. This raises a clear conflict of interest since she was on board as a civil society representative, but accepted payments from industry and corporate bodies”./ He knowingly suppressed the context of the Rs.2.3 lakh (3,814 USD), payment by the industry association and presented it as “conflict of interest”. The journalist knew fully well that the payment was a reimbursement of costs incurred at the request of the conference secretariat to produce professional videos, hire resources, material and camera costs, still photography, new media activation and related hardware and studio costs. He knew but purposefully left out my extensive contribution to the conference as a speaker and session organizer on a pro bono basis. He deliberately misrepresented in spite of knowing that the travel assistance given by the industry association was contributed by ISOC (Internet Society) and remaining by NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India). He already knew but hid that both organisations routinely provide travel assistance to scores of civil society representatives, including to some who authored the said letter. This CANNOT under any circumstances be construed as accepting money for advocacy from a corporate and presented as "conflict of interest". This is the most absurd allegation which even seasoned propagandists would shy away from. Further he deceitfully persisted with the false “conflict of interest”, charge by suppressing scores of emails , tweets, posts, videos, film and TV interviews given to him and easily available in the public domain, as my firm stance against illegal surveillance, invasion of privacy, and violation of freedom of speech and expression and human rights. d. /Ph.D/: ** *Can a **mere research studentship**,**which I am still pursuing**,****be**the basis on which I was appointed at any forum?*It was used only to put an unsubstantiated charge of plagiarism for my character assassination. I preferred to change my guide then to “say sorry”, to her for the offenseI had not committed and continue with her. With a view to purposefully mislead the readers, the journalist grossly manipulated the facts around my PhD by deliberately obfuscating that I have steadfastly refuted “any academic wrong doing”. * * *The IIT has never charged me with this offense, no show ca**use has ever**been given to me and hence no action has been taken against me,*detailed evidence was given to the journalist who chose to deliberately ignore it in order to convey a premeditated message. IIT has the highest ethical code of conduct and so do I.And my PhD. is well underway.// // /*The letter of notable members of civil society.*/// The CS letter from Indiacarried the support of 10 individuals+1 author, some of whom claim to represent different organisations. I have worked with most who are in this space including Parminder, Prabir,Anja Kovacs, Chinmayi Arun, Rishab Bailey, Mishi Choudhary, Sunil Abraham; 7 Out of 10. Two of remaining 3 have attended a national conference on IG with me where Parminder was present through out. It is full of misrepresentation.Their claimsare absurd that: /1- They don’t know me/// /2. They haven’t worked with me and I am not active in this space./// /3. They don’t know how to reach me//./// /4. And I do not teach IG/ *My Response**:*** Ø *Not only do they know me quite well*** Ø *We have hosted joint events, *** Ø *We have served on organizational bodies together related to IG, *** Ø *We have appeared as panelists together on IG, *** Ø *We have traveled and worked together on IG, *** Ø *We have submitted joint inputs to government of India on IG, *** Ø *Prepared background papers together for multistakeholder dialogues and events on IG, *** Ø *Co-moderated dialogues and multistakeholder panels on IG. *** Ø *I receive emails from them, respond to them, they have appreciated and thanked me for my inputs and efforts. *** Ø *They have called me on my mobile phone *** Ø *They have visited me in person and with their teams to seek my inputs on their drafts. *** I am happy to compare and contrast my interventions and my work in the IG space with all of them individually or collectively. ** The ITRs submission of CS was jointly made by Ø Society for Knowledge commons represented by Rishab Bailey (author of the CS letter), Ø Internet Democracy Project (Anja Kovacs- co-signatory), Ø Free Software Movement of India (Kiran Chandra (General Secretary- co-signatory), Ø Delhi Science Forum (Prabir – co-signatory), Ø Media For Change( represented by me) Ø SFLC.in (Mishi – co-signatory). Ø Ms. Chinmayi Arun was part of all the 4 day meetings and discussions and is on all the emails but did not finally submit the ITRs formal response. ​ More evidence of Joint work (There’s a lot but I do not wish to burden this list)- One of the recent multistakeholder meetingon IGthat I co-organized including drafting the background paper with Ms. Anja Kovacs from the Internet democracy project (yes we have worked together and collaborated on many occasions and oftentake same positions publicly), was on the 29^th January, 2014. Where I worked with 1. Anja Kovacs, IDP (co-signatory) 2. Sunil Abraham , CIS (cosignatory)- represented by Snehashish Ghosh 3. Mishi Chowdhary, SFLC.in (Cosignatory)- represented by Prashanth Sugathan 4. Ms. Chinmayi Arun Co-moderated the meeting with me and Ms. Anja Kovacs ​ _ * * *Interlinkages between all the authors of the India CS letter:*** Ms Anja Kovacs, IDP is a cosignatory & a CIS fellow and has also worked for ITfC which is represented on this letter by Mr. Parminder Jeet Singh, Ms. Chinmayi Arun from CCG (is a cosignatory & also a CIS fellow), Mr. Sunil Abraham is the director of CIS, RishabBailey the author of the CS letter has been associated with IDP, and with SFLC (another co-signatory) and is now representing SKC which is currently represented on this letter by Mr. Prabir Purkayastha (co-signatory) who is also associated formally as an office bearer with the SFM represented on the letter by Mr. Kiran Chandra (co-signatory). All these are respected colleagues and have worked with me on the ITRs and many other IG related workshops and panels as mentioned above. CIS’s director Mr. Sunil Abraham has also served with me on multiple panels and bodies together and my interventions can be found online and at the CIS website http://cis-india.org/@@search?SearchableText=subi+chaturvedi They are all signatories to the letter. *Again, my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have written tome, or supported me. We have a very important task at hand, thank you again for reposing yourfaith and for believing in me. And I wish that at all times the dignity of the caucus be preserved and upheld. * Finally, I do not hold any grudges against those, including the journalist who may have been involved in this unfortunate and unwarranted personal attack. I continue to have the highest respect for the work that my colleagues do. I am look forward to working with all of you and will be available in Sao Paulo from the 21st and over email. Do feel free to reach out with any questions or comments you may have. I would be happy to participate in any meeting or related discussion and will continue to work to the best of my ability and do my utmost, towards the evolution of the IG ecosphere so that we have an internet, which remains free and open, which amplifies human rights and allows for permissionless innovation and connects the unconnected. More details about my IG interventions can be found on my blog here http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ and *Contributions at the UN IGF : (Partial List) is available here for ready reference* https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91 I am equally thrilled that our collective inputs and suggestions are being taken on board. And I am also hopeful that the outcome document will reflect truly, what will emerge from the floor. Our friends in Brazil from the civil society and from across stakeholder groups have also done commendable work to bring us here. Delighted that it will be a multistakeholder panel, which will open Netmundial 2014 in Brazil. Many congratulations Nnenna, we are in great hands. Very proud to have you representing us and your address at the IGF 2013, in Bali was both profoundly evocative and stirring. I hope you will make time to emphasize the role that the Internet is playing especially in peace building and conflict transformation as well. Your tremendous and deeply inspiring work in Côte d'Ivoire underscores the importance of national and regional initiatives, along with intercessional work. We have a fantastic ambassador in you. And it might be an uphill climb for all of us but let's put our best foot forward. Looking forward to seeing you all in Sao Paulo soon. Safe travels, all. Warmest, Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. Managing Trustee, Media For Change Founder, Chief Mentor & Editor The Saltlist www.thesaltlist.org Independent DocumentaryFilmmaker, Photographer, Curator, Media Critic & Scholar PhD. Scholar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT-D), New Delhi PS: Global CS Community who may not aware of my contribution here’s snapshot ABOUT me and my work specifically on internet /governances/ freedom of speech and expression: * * *IG specific Roles:* 1. Recipient of the NIXI (National Internet Exchange, India) fellowship for IG 2014-2015 2. Co-Chair Netmundial 2014 3. Convenor Working group Indian IGF MAG 4. Member MAG UN IGF 2014 5. Member MAG India IGF 2013 6. Member MAG UN-IGF 2013 7. Co-Lead Breakout group- Multistakeholderism & Enhance cooperation IGF 2013 8. Lead facilitator main focus session on principles of Multistakeholderism IGF 2013 9. Member MAG IIGC 2013 10. Member MAG, IIGC 2012 *Made several noteworthy contributions to the IGF and other global and national Internet governance processes and capacity building initiatives on information and communication especially for under-represented stakeholder groups in IG.* * * I’d be happy to provide detailed reports of my interventions and my contributions at each meeting attended or organised National or global. https://www.google.co.in/search?q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site:www.intgovforum.org&es_sm=91#q=igf+MAG+Subi+Chaturvedi+site%3Awww.intgovforum.org&start=0 I have been teaching Journalism and Mass Communication including but not limited to papers on New Media technology (including IG) and Media, Law and Ethics, since the last 5 ½ years in the capcity of Assistant Professor at India’s leading liberal arts college for Women, part of Delhi University. I hold 3 gold medals in Anthropology, Psychology, and a gold medal in mass communication from the AJK MCRC, Jamia Millia Islamia, cleared the NET (which is a mandatory requirement for teaching at central universities in India), while a final year student in my first attempt and then hold a CGPA of 9.25/10 at the IIT-Das a part time registered PhD student doing my course work without leave from LSR, while taking full classes and contributing to the College immensely. My most recent article was published in the Hindu which is one of India’s most respected news daily as the lead opinion commentary on the 18^th of February- “for an unfettered internet”, and can be accessed here http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5699615.ece It calls for a review of the Indian government’s position on IG. An article for EPW (a prestigious journal) against Corporatisation of Media in India and the loss of pluraity which I have co-authored and the documentary film- Freedom Song on issues of Freedom of Speech and expression in India for PSBT, co directed with Mr. Paranjoy Guha Thakurta(an eminent journalist from India). http://www.epw.in/commentary/corporatisation-media.html The position that I often take isagainst corporatization and control of the media including the Internet by a few,be they governments, private sector including large small/corporate of any national origin, civil society group All my interventions, which are quite a few and substantive in their depth and coverage of issues are online on the IGF website. *This is just a partial list of some of the work that I have done in this academic year 2013-2014:* My article *“For an unfettered internet’, *was published as the lead opinion commentary in The Hindu, India's most respected news daily on why India needs to re-examine it's position on global Internet governance. _http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/for-an-unfettered-internet/article5700871.ece_ My co-directed critically acclaimed documentary FREEDOM SONG, a film on freedom of Speech and expression in contemporary India for PSBT was screened at theIIHS Bangalore City Campus this year and premiered at the prestigious Open Frame. Two of my curated projects, The Many Moods and Moments of Aung San Suu Kyi and ‘The Nobel Women for Peace Project’, were exhibited as part of HH. The Dalai Lama’s visit at LSR. In recognition of _my _*_contribution to Internet and society_*_,_I been awarded: 1) The prestigious NIXI (National Internet Exchange of India, GOI), Fellowship for Internet Governance 2013-2014. 2) I have been appointed as the first Indian woman from two stakeholdergroups ( civil society and media) on the United Nations –IGF MAG, for the second consecutive term. 3) I have also been invited to Co-Chair the Global Multistakeholder Meeting in Brazil on the Future of the Internet. 4) I have also been appointed as the convener of the working group of the India Internet Governance Forum (IGF) by the Chair from DeitY, Ministry of Communication & IT. And also been appointed on the MAG (Multistakeholder Advisory Group) of the India IGF (Internet Governance Forum) to be hosted by MOC&IT, India. 5) At the last Global IGF 2013, held at Bali, Indonesia. I contributed on several panels on Access and diversity, Relating national and regional IGFs, Broadband access and local content, emerging issues- Surveillance and a enhance cooperation (I also the remote moderator for it). And I also moderated and mentored DoT (MoC&IT), Government of India’s Open forum “Connecting the next Billion”. Additionally I also organized and spoke at the Main Focus session on Multistakeholderism as a panelist. 6) I also co-organised a multistakeholder panel discussion on “Will Internet and Social Media be a game changer for the next general election 2014 with senior leaders and ministers from the government and eminent journalists and editors at the India International Centre (IIC), New Delhi. 7) I was also a panelist with sr. editors on the role of media in promoting art at the global stage organized by exchange4media at IIC. 8) I was also a panelist at the National Convention on "Crisis of Capitalism and brazen onslaught on DEMOCRACY" , organized by the INSAF foundation at the constitution club for the session on SURVEILLANCE, STATE AND PERILS OF DEMOCRACY. With Mr. Prabir who is a cosignatory of the letter. 9) I was a panelist on IGF and the way forward organized by ORF, New Delhi. Ms. Anja Kovacs was my co-panelist a basic online search would reveal and expose the claims made in the letter. The ORF report is online with our interventions and images together. 10) I was also the key note speaker on Internet –a democratic space, at NALSAR along with eminent and sr. judges and lawyers of the supreme court on Social Media and Hate speech. Both Ms. Chinmayi Arun and Ms. Anja Kovacs were part of the same event. Ms. Kovacs was,moreover on the same session as I was. 11) I also organized and moderated a multitsakeholder panel discussion at the ITU-WSIS 2013, Geneva on, “ Ensuring Internet Access and Better Governance by Deepening Multistakeholderism- A Developing Nation Perspective with sr. ministers and heads of regional and national Internet & ICT initiatives. 12) Held a capacity building Workshop for the youth -"Towards a new Ethics of Cyberspace- Being a responsible online Digital Citizen with sr. industry leaders as key resource persons. 13) I also appeared as a distinguished panelist on national media on internet, new media regulation and social media, women safety and empowerment related issues, through the year. 14) I also organised and moderated the MEDIA CONGRESS- Panel on 'Government Surveillance vs Individual Privacy : Are they mutually exclusive?' with distinguished speakers: Dr. Usha Rmanathan eminent civil society activist, Dr. Govind, CEO NIXI, Mr. Pavan Duggal, Prof. Vibodh Parthasarathi and Ms. Shalini Singh. 15) I was also a panelist at the IMDEC 2013, Panel on “The Internet We Want: A Multistakeholder View” along with global leaders from civil society, industry, government and the technical community at FICCI. Mr. Sunil Abraham (CIS) was also an invited panelist. 16) I co-organised a multistakeholder dialogue on *The Future of the Internet, who should govern it & what is at stake for us*with sr. members of the government, industry, academia, technical community, media at IIC. The youth were also invited as end users to share their inputs and experiences. The background paper was jointly prepared by me and Ms. Anja Kovacs. 17) I also organized a youth meet with over 700 youth leaders from India on the Internet We Want- Conversation Series. 18) Another youth meet was organized by me at the Aligarh Muslim University, a minority institutionwith over 300 youth delegates from the minorities and the margins and sr. editors from the media on the role of media and youth in election 2014particularly the impact that social media and the internet can have in amplyfying participation of the youth. 19) I was also invited to conduct a leadership training workshop for the sr. management of TATA Sons and their group companies on social media. 20) I also conducted a third youth meet over 700 young leaders on the “Digital Agenda for the Youth and IG principals”. This was part of the global #FightBack campaign against surveillance and held on the world internet day. 21) I was also a invited to present my paper on Cybersecurity a multistakeholder perspective by ORF New Delhi part of the young voices policy forum. It was extremely well received. 22) I also led the new media outreach and supported the on ground activation for the national Internet Safety campaign for the youth in India in association with Data Security Council of India (A NASSCOM initiative). 23) I am a member of the International Association for Women in Radio and television (IAWRT) and the Internet Society (ISOC). warmest Subi ---- Subi Chaturvedi Assistant Prof. Journalism & Comm, Lady Shri Ram College for Women (LSR), Delhi University, India Twitter:@subichaturvedi http://subichaturvedi.blogspot.in/ Member MAG, UN-IGF (Media & Civil Society) Member MAG, India-IGF (Civil Society) Convenor WG-India IGF Co-Chair, Netmundial (Civil Society) Founder & Hon. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun Apr 20 16:48:29 2014 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:48:29 -0400 Subject: [] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> Message-ID: <5354329D.9000401@acm.org> On 20-Apr-14 14:27, Ian Peter wrote: > I would personally have supported a diplomatically worded letter if it > had been discussed and agreed to, and so would many others. I am sorry > that did not happen. I am sure that many of us would have still refrained from character assassination and witch hunts, not matter how diplomatically it had been put. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 17:35:03 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:35:03 -0500 Subject: [] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <5354329D.9000401@acm.org> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> <5354329D.9000401@acm.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > On 20-Apr-14 14:27, Ian Peter wrote: >> I would personally have supported a diplomatically worded letter if it >> had been discussed and agreed to, and so would many others. I am sorry >> that did not happen. > > I am sure that many of us would have still refrained from character > assassination and witch hunts, not matter how diplomatically it had been > put. what she said! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sun Apr 20 17:56:57 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:56:57 +0200 Subject: [governance] How to address the cooptation problem? (was Re: Breaking my silence... ) In-Reply-To: <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> Message-ID: <20140420235657.325988de@quill> (crossposting trimmed) Ian Peter wrote: > However, if you remember the circumstances, IGC had been reduced to > one co-ordinator who was about to retire, and this list was at its > divisive best on any matter, be it policy on process. I would > personally have supported a diplomatically worded letter if it had > been discussed and agreed to, and so would many others. I am sorry > that did not happen. I think that the bigger question is how this type of situation can be dealt with in the future, should it arise again. I mean, if the type of multistakeholderism in which stakeholder category representatives have some role is there to stay, and there is any kind of power or significance attached, of course there will again and again be attempts to introduce coopted persons as civil society spokespersons. And if no good way of addressing this problem is found, there will consequently again and again be accusations, some percentage of which will in fact be unfounded, with some people getting caught between the lines of such conflicts through little fault of their own. I don't think it realistic to expect IGC to be able to agree on anything in this regard, but at least we could discuss what a (not formally IGC based, to be implemented by some kind of alliance of the willing) solution might look like. For example, I'm pretty sure that some kind of transparency principles / commitments will necessarily have to be part of such a solution. Thoughts? Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jfcallo at ciencitec.com Sun Apr 20 19:52:57 2014 From: jfcallo at ciencitec.com (jfcallo at ciencitec.com) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:52:57 +0000 Subject: [governance] Valiosa informacion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140420235257.Horde.Fe-Y7_0XXVuShcX8u32rlA8@www.ciencitec.com> Distinguida Marilia Dado que en mi pais, Perú, aqui en Lima, no hay ningun Hub, lo hare atraves de la direccion que indicas. Por favor la hora, seria importante. Muchas gracias Atentamente Jose F. Callo Romero internautaperu.org Marilia Maciel escribió: > Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for > remote participation in NETmundial. > > The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: > http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ > > Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure > that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and that > will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring > remote participants in on very fair grounds. > > If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to follow > NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching > experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of > course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. > > Best wishes, > Marilia > > > -- > *Marília Maciel* > Pesquisadora Gestora > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio > > Researcher and Coordinator > Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School > http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts > > DiploFoundation associate > www.diplomacy.edu -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun Apr 20 20:52:43 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:22:43 +0530 Subject: [governance] How to address the cooptation problem? (was Re: Breaking my silence... ) In-Reply-To: <20140420235657.325988de@quill> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> <20140420235657.325988de@quill> Message-ID: <87B16B65-B33D-42E0-9AB4-19DFF9684E3D@hserus.net> But in this case - especially during rather than before netmundial, as Ian seems to say, the chair or co chairs role is purely that of a figurehead. I don't see any rhyme or reason in pursuing this further. --srs (iPad) > On 21-Apr-2014, at 3:26, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > (crossposting trimmed) > > Ian Peter wrote: > >> However, if you remember the circumstances, IGC had been reduced to >> one co-ordinator who was about to retire, and this list was at its >> divisive best on any matter, be it policy on process. I would >> personally have supported a diplomatically worded letter if it had >> been discussed and agreed to, and so would many others. I am sorry >> that did not happen. > > I think that the bigger question is how this type of situation can be > dealt with in the future, should it arise again. > > I mean, if the type of multistakeholderism in which stakeholder > category representatives have some role is there to stay, and there is > any kind of power or significance attached, of course there will again > and again be attempts to introduce coopted persons as civil society > spokespersons. > > And if no good way of addressing this problem is found, there will > consequently again and again be accusations, some percentage of which > will in fact be unfounded, with some people getting caught between the > lines of such conflicts through little fault of their own. > > I don't think it realistic to expect IGC to be able to agree on > anything in this regard, but at least we could discuss what a (not > formally IGC based, to be implemented by some kind of alliance of the > willing) solution might look like. > > For example, I'm pretty sure that some kind of transparency principles / > commitments will necessarily have to be part of such a solution. > > Thoughts? > > Greetings, > Norbert > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chinmayiarun at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 02:57:52 2014 From: chinmayiarun at gmail.com (Chinmayi Arun) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:27:52 +0530 Subject: [governance] NetMundial and Indian CS: Discussing Transparency and Conflict of Interest Message-ID: Dear All, I signed the Indian Civil Society letterbecause I thought that a meeting as significant as NetMundial should be especially careful about the process it follows. Multi-stakeholder dialogue is and will always be an enterprise that will need to be handled with a great deal of care. If we seek to replace some inter-governmental processes with MS processes, surely we need to build the same safeguards into the multi-stakeholder mechanisms that exist in government functioning. It is therefore of the utmost importance that transparency and accountability be a part of multi stakeholder dialogue. I found it problematic that these did not feature in the appointments of the Chair, and considered an obligation to point this out. This is of course while maintaing my very high regard for all the people who worked so hard to put NetMundial together - it cannot have been easy to achieve so much so fast. I am sorry that the conversation intended to be about the process by which the Chairpersons were appointed has turned personal. It was not meant to. If it helps, had I been appointed a Chair for this conference by the same process, I would have considered that problematic too. The heart of this is that the process should have been consultative and transparent, regardless of who eventually gets appointed. >From the exchanges that have followed the letter, the other question that I think is important and worth discussing in detail, is the question about what constitutes conflict of interest. A wise colleague, Sunil Abraham, said last week that we need to have a conversation about what constitutes conflict of interest, and work at identifying the degree of transparency necessary from anyone who wishes to be a part of multi stakeholder decision making. Towards this end, I am going to begin with transparency about my own organisation, flagging all connections that ought to be of interest. I will end with some thoughts about potential conflict of interest and the bare minimum transparency that will make multi stakeholder dialogue more comfortable for me. I hope that at least some of you will join me in thinking this through in a way that is useful to us all in the future. The Centre for Communication Governance (CCG) is a research centre at National Law University, Delhi. Ours is a public university which gets a major part of its funds from Delhi state government. The Centre has received Google sponsored funding from Tides Foundation - we were given money for broad research areas concerning the Internet. CCG controls its hiring (subject to approval from the Registrar and Vice Chancellor of the university), conclusions and research questions completely. We have no obligations at all to Google. Apart from a narrative report and accounting for the expenditure, we have few obligations to Tides. Since we have already received the grant, we are not dependent on either entity for ongoing financing. Neither Tides nor Google has ever attempted to influence our conclusions, and Google has taken our public criticisms of its policies and positions with very good grace. I am also on the Government of India's MAG, representing National Law University, Delhi, which is one of the academic stakeholders on the MAG. The departments of the government from which the university receives its funding are not on the MAG; our funding comes from the Delhi state government, but it is the Indian Central government that is on the MAG, not any of the state governments. Additionally, the administrative heads of the university who liaise with the government in relation to funding are not on the MAG. I don't therefore believe that any conflict arises from this arrangement, but this is open for discussion. Also on the MAG, is Sunil Abraham, who heads the Centre for Internet and Society Bangalore, of which I am a fellow. Anybody who knows CIS well will have seen already that it embraces diversity of opinion within the organisation. My contract with CIS only discusses the research and writing that I will be required to do, and not the opinions that I hold. My online profile and my university email signature both mention that I am a CIS fellow so this is something that everyone was aware of well before I became a part of the MAG. Again, I would be happy to discuss this in detail if anyone sees a potential conflict of interest here. In general, if people are representing stakeholder groups in MS dialogue, I would expect them to be very forthcoming about any payments/ other benefits that they receive from a different stakeholder group, or any connections that they have with other stakeholders. Additionally, I think it also helps for people within the same stakeholder group to be transparent about their connections with each other. Civil society connections are inevitable since civil society organisations finds themselves sharing resources and mentoring other individuals and organisations. But transparency about this is certainly warranted. I hope that we can all take to being more open about these things. I understand that we draw different lines in relation to what we see as conflict of interest, and what we accept as ethical. But the only way to get on the same page is to talk about it openly. With my sincerest apologies for the direction in which our letter dragged this conversation, and my hopes that it is not too late to use it for a more useful conversation. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Apr 21 03:46:00 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:16:00 +0530 Subject: [governance] NetMundial and Indian CS: Discussing Transparency and Conflict of Interest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <145833f9b38.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Thanks for making these points, which by the way could very well have been made without dragging in speculation on whether subi did or did not plagiarize for her dissertation. While I agree about the points you made on transparency and full disclosure, these are best targeted at a discussion on the future appointment of chairs for multistakeholder events. And perhaps some clarity and a proportionate response to such appointments based on whether the co chair of a particular event is a honorary figurehead or is supposed to play an active role in shaping the agenda and outcomes. Thanks Suresh On 21 April 2014 12:28:31 pm Chinmayi Arun wrote: > Dear All, > > I signed the Indian Civil Society > letterbecause > I thought that a meeting as significant as NetMundial should be > especially careful about the process it follows. Multi-stakeholder dialogue > is and will always be an enterprise that will need to be handled with a > great deal of care. If we seek to replace some inter-governmental processes > with MS processes, surely we need to build the same safeguards into the > multi-stakeholder mechanisms that exist in government functioning. It is > therefore of the utmost importance that transparency and accountability be > a part of multi stakeholder dialogue. I found it problematic that these did > not feature in the appointments of the Chair, and considered an obligation > to point this out. This is of course while maintaing my very high regard > for all the people who worked so hard to put NetMundial together - it > cannot have been easy to achieve so much so fast. > > I am sorry that the conversation intended to be about the process by which > the Chairpersons were appointed has turned personal. It was not meant to. > If it helps, had I been appointed a Chair for this conference by the same > process, I would have considered that problematic too. The heart of this is > that the process should have been consultative and transparent, regardless > of who eventually gets appointed. > > From the exchanges that have followed the letter, the other question that I > think is important and worth discussing in detail, is the question about > what constitutes conflict of interest. A wise colleague, Sunil Abraham, > said last week that we need to have a conversation about what constitutes > conflict of interest, and work at identifying the degree of transparency > necessary from anyone who wishes to be a part of multi stakeholder decision > making. > > Towards this end, I am going to begin with transparency about my own > organisation, flagging all connections that ought to be of interest. I > will end with some thoughts about potential conflict of interest and the > bare minimum transparency that will make multi stakeholder dialogue more > comfortable for me. I hope that at least some of you will join me in > thinking this through in a way that is useful to us all in the future. > > The Centre for Communication Governance (CCG) is a research centre at > National Law University, Delhi. Ours is a public university which gets a > major part of its funds from Delhi state government. The Centre has > received Google sponsored funding from Tides Foundation - we were given > money for broad research areas concerning the Internet. CCG controls its > hiring (subject to approval from the Registrar and Vice Chancellor of the > university), conclusions and research questions completely. We have no > obligations at all to Google. Apart from a narrative report and accounting > for the expenditure, we have few obligations to Tides. Since we have > already received the grant, we are not dependent on either entity for > ongoing financing. Neither Tides nor Google has ever attempted to influence > our conclusions, and Google has taken our public criticisms of its policies > and positions with very good grace. > > I am also on the Government of India's MAG, representing National Law > University, Delhi, which is one of the academic stakeholders on the MAG. > The departments of the government from which the university receives its > funding are not on the MAG; our funding comes from the Delhi state > government, but it is the Indian Central government that is on the MAG, not > any of the state governments. Additionally, the administrative heads of the > university who liaise with the government in relation to funding are not on > the MAG. I don't therefore believe that any conflict arises from this > arrangement, but this is open for discussion. > > Also on the MAG, is Sunil Abraham, who heads the Centre for Internet and > Society Bangalore, of which I am a fellow. Anybody who knows CIS well will > have seen already that it embraces diversity of opinion within the > organisation. My contract with CIS only discusses the research and writing > that I will be required to do, and not the opinions that I hold. My online > profile and my university email signature both mention that I am a CIS > fellow so this is something that everyone was aware of well before I became > a part of the MAG. Again, I would be happy to discuss this in detail if > anyone sees a potential conflict of interest here. > > In general, if people are representing stakeholder groups in MS dialogue, I > would expect them to be very forthcoming about any payments/ other benefits > that they receive from a different stakeholder group, or any connections > that they have with other stakeholders. Additionally, I think it also helps > for people within the same stakeholder group to be transparent about their > connections with each other. Civil society connections are inevitable since > civil society organisations finds themselves sharing resources and > mentoring other individuals and organisations. But transparency about this > is certainly warranted. > > I hope that we can all take to being more open about these things. I > understand that we draw different lines in relation to what we see as > conflict of interest, and what we accept as ethical. But the only way to > get on the same page is to talk about it openly. > > With my sincerest apologies for the direction in which our letter dragged > this conversation, and my hopes that it is not too late to use it for a > more useful conversation. > > Best wishes, > > Chinmayi > > Chinmayi Arun > > Research Director, Centre for Communication Governance, National Law > University, Delhi > > Fellow, Centre for Internet and Society, Bangalore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon Apr 21 05:15:54 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:15:54 +0200 Subject: [governance] How to address the cooptation problem? (was Re: Breaking my silence... ) In-Reply-To: <87B16B65-B33D-42E0-9AB4-19DFF9684E3D@hserus.net> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> <20140420235657.325988de@quill> <87B16B65-B33D-42E0-9AB4-19DFF9684E3D@hserus.net> Message-ID: <20140421111554.52ad9443@quill> Am Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:22:43 +0530 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian : > But in this case - especially during rather than before netmundial, > as Ian seems to say, the chair or co chairs role is purely that of a > figurehead. I don't see any rhyme or reason in pursuing this further. I don't think that at the current point in time there is any reliable basis for doing more than guessing in regard to how much formal or informal influence the chair and co chairs will have on the eventual NETmundial outcome document. What is known is that they were given the opportunity to make changes to the draft outcome document before it entered the current public comments phase. This information is in my view not very consistent with relying on a belief that going forward "the chair or co chairs role is purely that of a figurehead." That said, I thought that I had made clear that I wanted to talk not about "this case", but about "how this type of situation can be dealt with in the future, should it arise again." It may well be too late to find a good solution to the problem in this case, and that could end up severely diminishing the credibility of NETmundial as a whole at least in the eyes of those who take this kind of issue seriously. But going forward, for the future, it is definitely not too late to think about what a good solution to this kind of problem will look like. Greetings, Norbert > > On 21-Apr-2014, at 3:26, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > > (crossposting trimmed) > > > > Ian Peter wrote: > > > >> However, if you remember the circumstances, IGC had been reduced to > >> one co-ordinator who was about to retire, and this list was at its > >> divisive best on any matter, be it policy on process. I would > >> personally have supported a diplomatically worded letter if it had > >> been discussed and agreed to, and so would many others. I am sorry > >> that did not happen. > > > > I think that the bigger question is how this type of situation can > > be dealt with in the future, should it arise again. > > > > I mean, if the type of multistakeholderism in which stakeholder > > category representatives have some role is there to stay, and there > > is any kind of power or significance attached, of course there will > > again and again be attempts to introduce coopted persons as civil > > society spokespersons. > > > > And if no good way of addressing this problem is found, there will > > consequently again and again be accusations, some percentage of > > which will in fact be unfounded, with some people getting caught > > between the lines of such conflicts through little fault of their > > own. > > > > I don't think it realistic to expect IGC to be able to agree on > > anything in this regard, but at least we could discuss what a (not > > formally IGC based, to be implemented by some kind of alliance of > > the willing) solution might look like. > > > > For example, I'm pretty sure that some kind of transparency > > principles / commitments will necessarily have to be part of such a > > solution. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon Apr 21 05:40:10 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:40:10 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Breaking my silence on Netmundial related concerns raised by colleagues from India In-Reply-To: <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <20140421114010.447b8f20@quill> Parminder wrote: > What was surprising is that, when practically all civil society > groups in India, who are engaged with IG work - and have extensive > work relationships with all other global actors, often stronger than > they have among themselves - came out to present the facts on the > ground about the inappropriateness of Subi's selections, practically > no one from the global civil society expressed real support. (Yes, a > good quote from my email to be used by Subi.) I see this as primarily > the fault of the civil society leadership. They cannot be doing this > with their national CS partners, especially of a country with one > seventh of world's population and whose general maturity of civil > society processes cannot easily be questioned. But the fact that this > did happen points to serious structural flaws in the form and role of > civil society, especially its leadership, in MSist spaces. No, it is > not the civil society groups from India who lost here - it is the > global MSist civil society that has lost, and it may need to > introspect deeply about it, if it ever will... My perspective here is different in that I wasn't surprised, having quite recently experienced similarly lackluster and even hostile reactions when I called for transparency in a context where I think that fundamentally the same conflict also manifested itself. For example I was accused of wanting to line up people against a wall and shoot them, and the posting which contained that absolutely over-the-top statement got a remarkable degree of support. I definitely agree with the strong words about global civil society in Internet governance as a whole. We absolutely need to introspect deeply about what civil society is supposed to stand for, and then re-organize accordingly. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Apr 21 05:44:04 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:14:04 +0530 Subject: [governance] How to address the cooptation problem? (was Re: Breaking my silence... ) In-Reply-To: <20140421111554.52ad9443@quill> References: <535127F4.8010604@cafonso.ca> <53531AC5.2050004@itforchange.net> <722684BE90904264AB276B51CDD300A1@Toshiba> <20140420235657.325988de@quill> <87B16B65-B33D-42E0-9AB4-19DFF9684E3D@hserus.net> <20140421111554.52ad9443@quill> Message-ID: <003101cf5d46$408bc770$c1a35650$@hserus.net> For a change, we appear to agree here. Quoting my reply to chinmayi - ----- Thanks for making these points, which by the way could very well have been made without dragging in speculation on whether subi did or did not plagiarize for her dissertation. While I agree about the points you made on transparency and full disclosure, these are best targeted at a discussion on the future appointment of chairs for multistakeholder events. And perhaps some clarity and a proportionate response to such appointments based on whether the co chair of a particular event is a honorary figurehead or is supposed to play an active role in shaping the agenda and outcomes. > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance- > request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Norbert Bollow > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:46 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Suresh Ramasubramanian > Subject: Re: [governance] How to address the cooptation problem? (was Re: > Breaking my silence... ) > > Am Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:22:43 +0530 > schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian : > > > But in this case - especially during rather than before netmundial, as > > Ian seems to say, the chair or co chairs role is purely that of a > > figurehead. I don't see any rhyme or reason in pursuing this further. > > I don't think that at the current point in time there is any reliable basis > for doing more than guessing in regard to how much formal or informal > influence the chair and co chairs will have on the eventual NETmundial > outcome document. What is known is that they were given the opportunity to > make changes to the draft outcome document before it entered the current > public comments phase. This information is in my view not very consistent > with relying on a belief that going forward "the chair or co chairs role is > purely that of a figurehead." > > That said, I thought that I had made clear that I wanted to talk not about > "this case", but about "how this type of situation can be dealt with in the > future, should it arise again." > > It may well be too late to find a good solution to the problem in this case, > and that could end up severely diminishing the credibility of NETmundial as a > whole at least in the eyes of those who take this kind of issue seriously. > But going forward, for the future, it is definitely not too late to think > about what a good solution to this kind of problem will look like. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > On 21-Apr-2014, at 3:26, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > > > > (crossposting trimmed) > > > > > > Ian Peter wrote: > > > > > >> However, if you remember the circumstances, IGC had been reduced to > > >> one co-ordinator who was about to retire, and this list was at its > > >> divisive best on any matter, be it policy on process. I would > > >> personally have supported a diplomatically worded letter if it had > > >> been discussed and agreed to, and so would many others. I am sorry > > >> that did not happen. > > > > > > I think that the bigger question is how this type of situation can > > > be dealt with in the future, should it arise again. > > > > > > I mean, if the type of multistakeholderism in which stakeholder > > > category representatives have some role is there to stay, and there > > > is any kind of power or significance attached, of course there will > > > again and again be attempts to introduce coopted persons as civil > > > society spokespersons. > > > > > > And if no good way of addressing this problem is found, there will > > > consequently again and again be accusations, some percentage of > > > which will in fact be unfounded, with some people getting caught > > > between the lines of such conflicts through little fault of their > > > own. > > > > > > I don't think it realistic to expect IGC to be able to agree on > > > anything in this regard, but at least we could discuss what a (not > > > formally IGC based, to be implemented by some kind of alliance of > > > the willing) solution might look like. > > > > > > For example, I'm pretty sure that some kind of transparency > > > principles / commitments will necessarily have to be part of such a > > > solution. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Norbert > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 06:29:12 2014 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:29:12 -0500 Subject: [governance] NetMundial and Indian CS: Discussing Transparency and Conflict of Interest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Chinmayi Arun wrote: > Dear All, > > I signed the Indian Civil Society letter because I thought that a meeting as > significant as NetMundial should be especially careful about the process it > follows. Multi-stakeholder dialogue is and will always be an enterprise that > will need to be handled with a great deal of care. If we seek to replace > some inter-governmental processes with MS processes I think you have this backwards. There are folk on this list (and in the ITU and elsewhere) who seek to replace MS processes with inter-governmental processes. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon Apr 21 07:11:53 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:11:53 +0200 Subject: [governance] NetMundial and Indian CS: Discussing Transparency and Conflict of Interest In-Reply-To: <145833f9b38.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> References: <145833f9b38.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Message-ID: <20140421131153.4182f298@quill> Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > And perhaps some clarity and a proportionate response to such > appointments based on whether the co chair of a particular event is a > honorary figurehead or is supposed to play an active role in shaping > the agenda and outcomes. There seems to be some misinformation going around that is at the basis of the "honorary figurehead" claim. The minutes of the the meeting of the High Level Committee on Feb. 24th say: """ ...... The NETmundial Board is responsible for overseeing the organization of the meeting and have 4 co-chairs: Jeanette Hofmann (Academia), Fadi Chehade (Technical Community), Andile Ngcaba (Private Sector) and Subi Chaturvedi (Civil Society). ......... The Chairman explained that the HLMC primarily responsible for setting the political tone and providing international visibility to NETmundial. The practical aspects of this responsibility are the capacity to review the documents prepared by EMC, provide feedback with suggestions /*and return them NETmundial Board. NETmundial Board will interact directly with the EMC to achieve a final version of these documents by the beginning of the conference. During the meeting, the HLMC and the Chairs of NETmundial will seek approval for the final documents. */ """ (emphasis added) Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 11:07:55 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:07:55 -0400 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - some questions Message-ID: In the two days left to us before the meeting begins I think we might generate not a statement but rather a list of questions which the meeting needs to address and if possible answer. I asked, on the Netmundial document, for definitions, because it seems clearer and clearer to me that we are all using the term “multistakeholder” but we do NOT all mean the same thing by it. I should also like a clear statement on the “ownership” of the Netmundial meeting: initially it was a meeting called by Brazil, then it became a meeting called by Brazil and ICANN, recently it acquired twelve governments as co-hosts … so whose meeting is it? That matters a lot. Then considering Garth's comments on Saturday in the Netmundial – Remote Participation thread “ I just completed a fast scan of the meaning of stakeholder implicit in the NETmundial document and posted it as a “whole page” comment to that introduction page. I found that stakeholders are not anyone who self-identifies as such. They are qualified into collective categories of organizations that are then “represented.” It would be consistent with that implicit assumption to aggregate individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN does, into internal “communities”). But it’s not good “Internet” if the choice to connect doesn’t rest at the level of the individual.” and Karl's discussion a week or so ago on the issue of “we and me” I would like to know what is being proposed in terms of establishing and protecting the balance between the rights of the group and the rights of the individual. As “civil society” (another term which needs a definition) our interests should tip in favour of “we” - after all we call ourselves “society” - but “civil society”, at least as I understand it, is a coming together of individuals with highly diverse needs and affiliations – for the society to work the members must be satisfied, as they surrender some of their freedoms to the needs of the group, that their individual necessities have also been considered. And yes – there needs to be clarification about process. Not only do we need to ask for clarification but also it would be excellent if we had some proposals ready to make in terms of this – probably too big a task for two days? Do other people share the 4 concerns listed above – there is already discussion about the last one? Any other ideas? 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That matters a lot. > > > Then considering Garth's comments on Saturday in the Netmundial – Remote Participation thread > > “ I just completed a fast scan of the meaning of stakeholder implicit in the NETmundial document and posted it as a “whole page” comment to that introduction page. I found that stakeholders are not anyone who self-identifies as such. They are qualified into collective categories of organizations that are then “represented.” It would be consistent with that implicit assumption to aggregate individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN does, into internal “communities”). But it’s not good “Internet” if the choice to connect doesn’t rest at the level of the individual.” > > and Karl's discussion a week or so ago on the issue of “we and me” I would like to know what is being proposed in terms of establishing and protecting the balance between the rights of the group and the rights of the individual. As “civil society” (another term which needs a definition) our interests should tip in favour of “we” - after all we call ourselves “society” - but “civil society”, at least as I understand it, is a coming together of individuals with highly diverse needs and affiliations – for the society to work the members must be satisfied, as they surrender some of their freedoms to the needs of the group, that their individual necessities have also been considered. > > > And yes – there needs to be clarification about process. Not only do we need to ask for clarification but also it would be excellent if we had some proposals ready to make in terms of this – probably too big a task for two days? > > > Do other people share the 4 concerns listed above – there is already discussion about the last one? Any other ideas? > > Deirdre > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jaryn56 at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 11:21:28 2014 From: jaryn56 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgRsOpbGl4IEFyaWFzIFluY2hl?=) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:21:28 -0500 Subject: [governance] Valiosa informacion In-Reply-To: <20140420235257.Horde.Fe-Y7_0XXVuShcX8u32rlA8@www.ciencitec.com> References: <20140420235257.Horde.Fe-Y7_0XXVuShcX8u32rlA8@www.ciencitec.com> Message-ID: Hola mi amigo Callo. Me puedes ilustrar sobre lo lo de Hub, porque no existe en el Perú y su importancia en la esfera de la comunicación y la participación, e incluso se habla sobre la creación de comunidades y redes. Gracias de antemano *Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche* * Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo* 2014-04-20 18:52 GMT-05:00 : > Distinguida Marilia > Dado que en mi pais, Perú, aqui en Lima, no hay ningun Hub, lo hare > atraves de la direccion que indicas. > Por favor la hora, seria importante. > Muchas gracias > Atentamente > Jose F. Callo Romero > internautaperu.org > > > > > Marilia Maciel escribió: > > Dear all, I would like to remind everybody once more of opporunities for >> remote participation in NETmundial. >> >> The list of hubs around the globe and their addresses can be found here: >> http://netmundial.br/remote-participation/ >> >> Hubs will be able to send comments to NETmundial. The chair will ensure >> that the opportunity to take the floor rotates among stakeholders and that >> will include a "queue" for remote participants. The idea is to bring >> remote participants in on very fair grounds. >> >> If there is a hub in your city, I would personally encourage you to follow >> NETmundial in the company of others in a hub. It is a very enriching >> experience and an opportunity for community building and networking. Of >> course, anyone can connect individually, from wherever they are. >> >> Best wishes, >> Marilia >> >> >> -- >> *Marília Maciel* >> Pesquisadora Gestora >> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio >> >> Researcher and Coordinator >> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School >> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts >> >> DiploFoundation associate >> www.diplomacy.edu >> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chinmayiarun at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 11:47:24 2014 From: chinmayiarun at gmail.com (Chinmayi Arun) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:17:24 +0530 Subject: [governance] NetMundial and Indian CS: Discussing Transparency and Conflict of Interest In-Reply-To: <20140421131153.4182f298@quill> References: <145833f9b38.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> <20140421131153.4182f298@quill> Message-ID: Thanks Suresh. Like I said, these are the things that *I* see as most important - this may not necessary hold good for every one of my co signatories. I don't want to rehash the plagiarism question over here since this thread is meant to be more forward thinking but we could, if you wish, discuss how to treat plagiarism charges levelled at academics on a separate thread. I did put this out in the hope that we achieve a little more consensus about these issues by the time future appointments of chairpersons/ representatives come up. @McTim Thank you. What I was suggesting is that reducing opacity, and ensuring that all appointments and decision-making follow the best possible practices, will make a better case for MS. Perhaps people who are on the fence/ open to changing their minds will then find it more appealing. These episodes of reduced transparency and accountability certainly make me more skeptical of MS than I would be otherwise. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > > And perhaps some clarity and a proportionate response to such > > appointments based on whether the co chair of a particular event is a > > honorary figurehead or is supposed to play an active role in shaping > > the agenda and outcomes. > > There seems to be some misinformation going around that is at the basis > of the "honorary figurehead" claim. > > The minutes of the the meeting of the High Level Committee on Feb. > 24th say: > > """ > ...... > > The NETmundial Board is responsible for overseeing the organization of > the meeting and have 4 co-chairs: Jeanette Hofmann (Academia), Fadi > Chehade (Technical Community), Andile Ngcaba (Private Sector) and Subi > Chaturvedi (Civil Society). > > ......... > > The Chairman explained that the HLMC primarily responsible for setting > the political tone and providing international visibility to > NETmundial. The practical aspects of this responsibility are the > capacity to review the documents prepared by EMC, provide feedback with > suggestions /*and return them NETmundial Board. NETmundial Board will > interact directly with the EMC to achieve a final version of these > documents by the beginning of the conference. During the meeting, the > HLMC and the Chairs of NETmundial will seek approval for the final > documents. */ > """ > > (emphasis added) > > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nnenna75 at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 12:07:17 2014 From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:07:17 +0000 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan Message-ID: Dear all I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be included. Here are a few remarks from my end: 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: === Draft minute by minute: 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda 8. 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From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: lundi 21 avril 2014 17:07 To: Governance; ; Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan Dear all I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be included. Here are a few remarks from my end: 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: === Draft minute by minute: 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda 8. Thanks === All for now Nnenna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Apr 21 12:10:42 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:40:42 +0530 Subject: [governance] NetMundial and Indian CS: Discussing Transparency and Conflict of Interest In-Reply-To: References: <145833f9b38.27e9.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> <20140421131153.4182f298@quill> Message-ID: I fully agree that transparency and a clear cut awareness of the process, roles of the co chairs etc are key to this issue. The chairs are responsible for the organization of the meeting which suggests logistics rather than any directive role over conference content, and certainly by consensus given the distribution of chairs to different sectors, but our brazilian colleagues, or any of the other co chairs who is here (say Jeanette) could clarify that. --srs (iPad) > On 21-Apr-2014, at 21:17, Chinmayi Arun wrote: > > Thanks Suresh. Like I said, these are the things that I see as most important - this may not necessary hold good for every one of my co signatories. I don't want to rehash the plagiarism question over here since this thread is meant to be more forward thinking but we could, if you wish, discuss how to treat plagiarism charges levelled at academics on a separate thread. > > I did put this out in the hope that we achieve a little more consensus about these issues by the time future appointments of chairpersons/ representatives come up. > > @McTim Thank you. What I was suggesting is that reducing opacity, and ensuring that all appointments and decision-making follow the best possible practices, will make a better case for MS. Perhaps people who are on the fence/ open to changing their minds will then find it more appealing. These episodes of reduced transparency and accountability certainly make me more skeptical of MS than I would be otherwise. > > > >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> >> > And perhaps some clarity and a proportionate response to such >> > appointments based on whether the co chair of a particular event is a >> > honorary figurehead or is supposed to play an active role in shaping >> > the agenda and outcomes. >> >> There seems to be some misinformation going around that is at the basis >> of the "honorary figurehead" claim. >> >> The minutes of the the meeting of the High Level Committee on Feb. >> 24th say: >> >> """ >> ...... >> >> The NETmundial Board is responsible for overseeing the organization of >> the meeting and have 4 co-chairs: Jeanette Hofmann (Academia), Fadi >> Chehade (Technical Community), Andile Ngcaba (Private Sector) and Subi >> Chaturvedi (Civil Society). >> >> ......... >> >> The Chairman explained that the HLMC primarily responsible for setting >> the political tone and providing international visibility to >> NETmundial. The practical aspects of this responsibility are the >> capacity to review the documents prepared by EMC, provide feedback with >> suggestions /*and return them NETmundial Board. NETmundial Board will >> interact directly with the EMC to achieve a final version of these >> documents by the beginning of the conference. During the meeting, the >> HLMC and the Chairs of NETmundial will seek approval for the final >> documents. */ >> """ >> >> (emphasis added) >> >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From hasansf at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 12:17:56 2014 From: hasansf at gmail.com (Faisal Hasan) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:17:56 -0500 Subject: [governance] NetMundial and Indian CS: Discussing Transparency and Conflict of Interest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Chinmayi Arun wrote: > Dear All, > > I signed the Indian Civil Society letterbecause I thought that a meeting as significant as NetMundial should be > especially careful about the process it follows. Multi-stakeholder dialogue > is and will always be an enterprise that will need to be handled with a > great deal of care. If we seek to replace some inter-governmental processes > with MS processes, surely we need to build the same safeguards into the > multi-stakeholder mechanisms that exist in government functioning. It is > therefore of the utmost importance that transparency and accountability be > a part of multi stakeholder dialogue. I found it problematic that these did > not feature in the appointments of the Chair, and considered an obligation > to point this out. This is of course while maintaing my very high regard > for all the people who worked so hard to put NetMundial together - it > cannot have been easy to achieve so much so fast. > Totally agree. Thanks Faisal Hasan, PhD ISOC Bangladesh Dhaka Chapter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are a few remarks from my end: > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of > either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 > key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map > for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important > to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the > future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. > > 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be > constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: > > === > Draft minute by minute: > > 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus > 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities > 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice > 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms > 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources > 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) > 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda > 8. Thanks > > === > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at alkasir.com Mon Apr 21 13:28:48 2014 From: admin at alkasir.com (Walid AL-SAQAF) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:28:48 +0200 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fantastic points IMO. Good luck Nnenna! Sincerely, Walid Sincerely, Walid On Apr 21, 2014 6:08 PM, "Nnenna Nwakanma" wrote: > Dear all > > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be > included. Here are a few remarks from my end: > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of > either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 > key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map > for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important > to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the > future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. > > 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be > constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: > > === > Draft minute by minute: > > 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus > 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities > 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice > 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms > 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources > 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) > 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda > 8. Thanks > > === > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Mon Apr 21 13:36:32 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:36:32 +0200 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - some questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 Am 21.04.2014 17:09 schrieb "Deirdre Williams" : > In the two days left to us before the meeting begins I think we might > generate not a statement but rather a list of questions which the meeting > needs to address and if possible answer. > > > I asked, on the Netmundial document, for definitions, because it seems > clearer and clearer to me that we are all using the term “multistakeholder” > but we do NOT all mean the same thing by it. > > > I should also like a clear statement on the “ownership” of the > Netmundial meeting: initially it was a meeting called by Brazil, then it > became a meeting called by Brazil and ICANN, recently it acquired twelve > governments as co-hosts … so whose meeting is it? That matters a lot. > > > Then considering Garth's comments on Saturday in the Netmundial – Remote > Participation thread > > “ I just completed a fast scan of the meaning of stakeholder implicit in > the NETmundial document and posted it as a “whole page” comment to that > introduction page. I found that stakeholders are not anyone who > self-identifies as such. They are qualified into collective categories of > organizations that are then “represented.” It would be consistent with > that implicit assumption to aggregate individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN > does, into internal “communities”). But it’s not good “Internet” if the > choice to connect doesn’t rest at the level of the individual.” > > and Karl's discussion a week or so ago on the issue of “we and me” I would > like to know what is being proposed in terms of establishing and protecting > the balance between the rights of the group and the rights of the > individual. As “civil society” (another term which needs a definition) our > interests should tip in favour of “we” - after all we call ourselves > “society” - but “civil society”, at least as I understand it, is a coming > together of individuals with highly diverse needs and affiliations – for > the society to work the members must be satisfied, as they surrender some > of their freedoms to the needs of the group, that their individual > necessities have also been considered. > > > And yes – there needs to be clarification about process. Not only do we > need to ask for clarification but also it would be excellent if we had some > proposals ready to make in terms of this – probably too big a task for two > days? > > > Do other people share the 4 concerns listed above – there is already > discussion about the last one? Any other ideas? > > Deirdre > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 13:52:16 2014 From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:52:16 +0200 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D312C8F-B996-41F4-8DBF-3D8092377CD5@gmail.com> Thanks Nnenna, This list/summary doesn't tell much but I wish you a successful presentation for the Web Foundation and whatever will these 8 minutes will allow you to speak about. JC Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > Dear all > > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be included. Here are a few remarks from my end: > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. > > 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: > > === > Draft minute by minute: > Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus > Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities > On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice > On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms > On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources > On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) > Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda > Thanks > === > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From remmyn at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 14:21:07 2014 From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:21:07 +0100 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: good outline, carry go. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > Looks good to me. > As they say in the theatre - break a leg :-) > Deirdre > > > On 21 April 2014 12:07, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be >> included. Here are a few remarks from my end: >> >> 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice >> of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out >> 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. >> >> 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map >> for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important >> to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the >> future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. >> >> 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be >> constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: >> >> === >> Draft minute by minute: >> >> 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus >> 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities >> 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice >> 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms >> 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources >> 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) >> 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda >> 8. Thanks >> >> === >> >> All for now >> >> Nnenna >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- REMMY NWEKE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd (publishers of) DigitalSENSE Business News; ITREALMS, NaijaAgroNet (Multiple-award winning medium) Published by: DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms [Member, NIRA Executive Board] Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria NDS Forum on Internet Governance for Development (IG4D) 2014< http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>- June 5 Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable 2014 - June 6 @Welcome Centre Hotels. 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Here are a few remarks from my end: > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of > either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 > key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map > for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important > to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the > future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. > > 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be > constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: > > === > Draft minute by minute: > > 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus > 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities > 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice > 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms > 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources > 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) > 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda > 8. Thanks > > === > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Hindenburgo Francisco Pires Universidade do Estado do Rio de Janeiro Departamento de Geografia Humana *Sítio-web: http://www.cibergeo.org * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From garth.graham at telus.net Mon Apr 21 15:12:35 2014 From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:12:35 -0700 Subject: [governance] Re: Netmundial - some questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <567A6965-7A93-4395-974C-94E45B249C0F@telus.net> On 2014-04-21, at 8:07 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Then considering Garth's comments on Saturday in the Netmundial – Remote Participation thread > > “ I just completed a fast scan of the meaning of stakeholder implicit in the NETmundial document and posted it as a “whole page” comment to that introduction page. I found that stakeholders are not anyone who self-identifies as such. They are qualified into collective categories of organizations that are then “represented.” It would be consistent with that implicit assumption to aggregate individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN does, into internal “communities”). But it’s not good “Internet” if the choice to connect doesn’t rest at the level of the individual.” > > and Karl's discussion a week or so ago on the issue of “we and me” I would like to know what is being proposed in terms of establishing and protecting the balance between the rights of the group and the rights of the individual. As “civil society” (another term which needs a definition) our interests should tip in favour of “we” - after all we call ourselves “society” - but “civil society”, at least as I understand it, is a coming together of individuals with highly diverse needs and affiliations – for the society to work the members must be satisfied, as they surrender some of their freedoms to the needs of the group, that their individual necessities have also been considered. In one of his recent posts related to the individual, Karl Auerbach noted that, “the models of technical governance as expressed via bodies such as the IETF, do not scale.” So then, what does scale? I’m pretty sure that the “we” isn’t society. It’s community. The uses of the Internet for the emergence of community reveal a shift towards the individual and the local in our assumptions about how society is structured. I think you are right that, “establishing and protecting the balance between the rights of the group and the rights of the individual,” is a foundational question that’s being ignored. But for me, the reason it’s foundational (and also the reason it’s being ignored) is because the Internet is a symptom of a shift away from a society where individual must “surrender some of their freedoms to the needs of the group,” to act within the framework of a group. Consider the question raised in Jean-Luc Nancy's "Inoperative Community," (1), how to create "being together" without a "being as one?" "The community that becomes a single thing (body, mind, fatherland, Leader...) ...necessarily loses the in of being-in-common. Or, it loses the with or the together that defines it. It yields its being-together to a being of togetherness. The truth of community, on the contrary, resides in the retreat of such a being." As an example of that retreat from collective transcendence, consider also Ursula Franklin’s definition of the good society as a “potluck supper,” (2), a with, a being-together, that is an emergent situational consequence of autonomous individual decisions and trust. The other side of the global is the local. To me the rush to define global mechanisms of Internet Governance that address global public goods and global public interests is a rush to a dangerous oversimplification that obscures the reality that human trust only scales to the level of community and not much farther. Individuals aren't surrendering their freedoms to anything they can't touch. That’s why I’ve been pushing the Community Informatics Declaration’s observation that the global is a federation of locals. Billions of people have recently gained a new way of reaching and finding one another. And now they face incredible reactionary pressure to turn that off and to give authority to some abstract global mechanisms that will channel that capacity according to some vague and arbitrary premises about what their common values might be. To me, the question is –if they knew that was happening, if they knew that their choices as to the appropriate pathways to essential interdependences was about to be circumscribed, why would they allow it? And, after the fact, when their interdependencies have been circumscribed, how will they respond? GG (1). Jean-Luc Nancy. La Communauté désœuvrée (The Inoperative Community), Preface, 1986, xxxix. (2). Ursula Franklin. “The dream of the peaceful society to me is still the dream of the potluck supper – a society in which all can contribute and all can find friendship, that those who bring things bring things they do well, but that we create conditions under which a potluck is possible.” CBC. The Current, May 7, 2010. Activist, educator Ursula Franklin discusses the democratic deficit and introduces us to a new verb: "Scrupling". > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 16:00:28 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:00:28 -0400 Subject: [governance] Remote Participation Netmundial Message-ID: Some further information below. Deirdre Hello, There will be 7 languages available in 7 different Adobe Connect rooms. 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Just for now would you say that we should retain the individual/society (community) balance question? And I have remembered a fifth and (to me) overwhelmingly important question - how can "we" find trust again? Thank you for reminding me. "As an example of that retreat from collective transcendence, consider also Ursula Franklin’s definition of the good society as a “potluck supper,” (2), a with, a being-together, that is an emergent situational consequence of autonomous individual decisions and trust." Deirdre On 21 April 2014 15:12, Garth Graham wrote: > On 2014-04-21, at 8:07 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > Then considering Garth's comments on Saturday in the Netmundial – Remote > Participation thread > > > > “ I just completed a fast scan of the meaning of stakeholder implicit in > the NETmundial document and posted it as a “whole page” comment to that > introduction page. I found that stakeholders are not anyone who > self-identifies as such. They are qualified into collective categories of > organizations that are then “represented.” It would be consistent with > that implicit assumption to aggregate individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN > does, into internal “communities”). But it’s not good “Internet” if the > choice to connect doesn’t rest at the level of the individual.” > > > > and Karl's discussion a week or so ago on the issue of “we and me” I > would like to know what is being proposed in terms of establishing and > protecting the balance between the rights of the group and the rights of > the individual. As “civil society” (another term which needs a definition) > our interests should tip in favour of “we” - after all we call ourselves > “society” - but “civil society”, at least as I understand it, is a coming > together of individuals with highly diverse needs and affiliations – for > the society to work the members must be satisfied, as they surrender some > of their freedoms to the needs of the group, that their individual > necessities have also been considered. > > In one of his recent posts related to the individual, Karl Auerbach noted > that, “the models of technical governance as expressed via bodies such as > the IETF, do not scale.” So then, what does scale? I’m pretty sure that > the “we” isn’t society. It’s community. The uses of the Internet for the > emergence of community reveal a shift towards the individual and the local > in our assumptions about how society is structured. > > I think you are right that, “establishing and protecting the balance > between the rights of the group and the rights of the individual,” is a > foundational question that’s being ignored. But for me, the reason it’s > foundational (and also the reason it’s being ignored) is because the > Internet is a symptom of a shift away from a society where individual must > “surrender some of their freedoms to the needs of the group,” to act within > the framework of a group. > > Consider the question raised in Jean-Luc Nancy's "Inoperative Community," > (1), how to create "being together" without a "being as one?" > > "The community that becomes a single thing (body, mind, fatherland, > Leader...) ...necessarily loses the in of being-in-common. Or, it loses > the with or the together that defines it. It yields its being-together to > a being of togetherness. The truth of community, on the contrary, resides > in the retreat of such a being." > > As an example of that retreat from collective transcendence, consider also > Ursula Franklin’s definition of the good society as a “potluck supper,” > (2), a with, a being-together, that is an emergent situational consequence > of autonomous individual decisions and trust. > > The other side of the global is the local. To me the rush to define > global mechanisms of Internet Governance that address global public goods > and global public interests is a rush to a dangerous oversimplification > that obscures the reality that human trust only scales to the level of > community and not much farther. Individuals aren't surrendering their > freedoms to anything they can't touch. That’s why I’ve been pushing the > Community Informatics Declaration’s observation that the global is a > federation of locals. > > Billions of people have recently gained a new way of reaching and finding > one another. And now they face incredible reactionary pressure to turn > that off and to give authority to some abstract global mechanisms that will > channel that capacity according to some vague and arbitrary premises about > what their common values might be. To me, the question is –if they knew > that was happening, if they knew that their choices as to the appropriate > pathways to essential interdependences was about to be circumscribed, why > would they allow it? And, after the fact, when their interdependencies > have been circumscribed, how will they respond? > > GG > > (1). Jean-Luc Nancy. La Communauté désœuvrée (The Inoperative Community), > Preface, 1986, xxxix. > > (2). Ursula Franklin. “The dream of the peaceful society to me is still > the dream of the potluck supper – a society in which all can contribute and > all can find friendship, that those who bring things bring things they do > well, but that we create conditions under which a potluck is possible.” > CBC. The Current, May 7, 2010. Activist, educator Ursula Franklin discusses > the democratic deficit and introduces us to a new verb: "Scrupling". > > > > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards Marie Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > Dear all > > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be included. Here are a few remarks from my end: > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. > > 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: > > === > Draft minute by minute: > Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus > Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities > On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice > On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms > On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources > On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) > Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda > Thanks > === > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nnenna75 at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 17:13:03 2014 From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:13:03 +0000 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan In-Reply-To: <2F099E79-E3FD-4238-BFBF-523C2F76CA8A@noos.fr> References: <2F099E79-E3FD-4238-BFBF-523C2F76CA8A@noos.fr> Message-ID: Hi Marie, all I hope I will. Trust is one that is a principle as well as a road map. And I am convinced that it is key. And like many colleagues have noted, all actions that destroy trust destroy the Internet (non acceptance of Net neutrality, unwarranted surveillance, threats of cyberwar etc) I know it is a challenge to build, as stakeholders enlarge and the stakes get higher... But build it, we must All for now Nnenna On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Marie GEORGES wrote: > Many thanks Nnema, > > Hope you will make clear that *point 7 on trust became 1st priority * > > after Snowden's revelations on mass surveillance and on how some States > managed to keep or introduce back door in equipments and poor > cryptographical tools, > THAT, for the sake of ITC and development, it is all the more urgent > Governments concerned make clear to the world that they STOP mass > surveillance and that they STOP using internet as a new armed battle field > while more and more the world depends daily on that infrastructure. > > Best regards > Marie > > Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > > Dear all > > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be > included. Here are a few remarks from my end: > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of > either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 > key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map > for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important > to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the > future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. > > 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be > constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: > > === > Draft minute by minute: > > 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus > 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities > 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice > 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms > 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources > 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) > 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda > 8. 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Its main point is that commons and property are not mutually exclusive, totalizing principles for economic organization, but merely different methods of organizing access to resources. These two methods can and often do co-exist, and are often interdependent and mutually reinforcing. As an extension of this approach, the paper pays careful attention to the specific political economy factors that sustain or advance commons-like arrangements in telecommunications and Internet governance. Using four case studies, it finds that "the commons" as an institutional option is rarely implemented as the product of communitarian compacts or a sharing ethic. It is more likely to be an outcome of interest group contention. A commons is a way for an alliance of non-dominant actors to "neutralize" a strategic resource that is, or might be, controlled by a dominant actor. The paper begins with a conceptual discussion of commons and exclusive property in informational and network goods. Next, the paper examines four case studies involving the interaction of commons and private property. The first case is about equal access arrangements in long distance telephony in the U.S.; the next is about the Internet protocols and the end-to-end principle; the third is about network neutrality; the last is about domain names and IP address governance. Three of these four case studies were selected because they cover the three fundamental areas where policy issues related to exclusive rights might arise in Internet governance. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1828102 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Garth Graham wrote: > On 2014-04-04, at 12:46 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote: > > > You mentioned measuring the benefits in advance of action. I don't see > how that can work, particularly on the internet where it is difficult to > foresee benefits and malafits (that's a word I made up to mean the opposite > of a benefit). > > Not quite. I mentioned that explanation before the fact ... allows for an > action to define in advance its own standard by which it's effectiveness > and fairness can be measured after the fact. > > GG > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Diego R. Canabarro* http://lattes.cnpq.br/4980585945314597 diego.canabarro [at] *ufrgs.br * diegocanabarro [at] *gmail.com * Cell # +55-51-8108-1098 Skype: diegocanabarro *GT Governança Digital* *Centro de Estudos Internacionais sobre Governo (CEGOV)* Campus do Vale, prédio 43322 - Av. 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Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Tracy Hackshaw @ Google < tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > Excellent approach Nnenna! > > Use the platform well. > > /t > > Sent from BlackBerry Q10 > *From: *Nnenna Nwakanma > *Sent: *Monday, April 21, 2014 5:13 PM > *To: *Marie GEORGES > *Reply To: *governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Cc: *Governance; ; Discussion List on > African Internet Governance Forum > *Subject: *Re: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil > Society) Draft speech plan > > Hi Marie, all > > I hope I will. Trust is one that is a principle as well as a road map. > And I am convinced that it is key. And like many colleagues have noted, > all actions that destroy trust destroy the Internet (non acceptance of Net > neutrality, unwarranted surveillance, threats of cyberwar etc) > > I know it is a challenge to build, as stakeholders enlarge and the stakes > get higher... > > But build it, we must > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Marie GEORGES wrote: > >> Many thanks Nnema, >> >> Hope you will make clear that *point 7 on trust became 1st priority * >> >> after Snowden's revelations on mass surveillance and on how some States >> managed to keep or introduce back door in equipments and poor >> cryptographical tools, >> THAT, for the sake of ITC and development, it is all the more urgent >> Governments concerned make clear to the world that they STOP mass >> surveillance and that they STOP using internet as a new armed battle field >> while more and more the world depends daily on that infrastructure. >> >> Best regards >> Marie >> >> Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : >> >> Dear all >> >> I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be >> included. Here are a few remarks from my end: >> >> 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice >> of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out >> 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. >> >> 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map >> for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important >> to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the >> future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. >> >> 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be >> constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: >> >> === >> Draft minute by minute: >> >> 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus >> 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities >> 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice >> 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms >> 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources >> 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) >> 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda >> 8. Thanks >> >> === >> >> All for now >> >> Nnenna >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ceo at bnnrc.net Tue Apr 22 05:04:21 2014 From: ceo at bnnrc.net (AHM Bazlur Rahman) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:04:21 +0600 Subject: [governance] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bangladesh_Delegation_on_NETmundial_n?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ow_in_S=E3o_Paulo=2C_Brazil?= Message-ID: *Bangladesh Delegation on NETmundial now in São Paulo* *H E Hasanul Haq Inu, MP*, Information Minister, Government of the People's Republic of Bangladesh with other 4 member delegation now in *São Paulo* for join ing a global meeting on the future of the Internet Governance NETmundial Hasanul Haq Inu will deliver welcome remarks to opening ceremony of NETmundial. He also the chairperson of Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum (BIGF) in conjunction with United Nations Internet Governance Forum (UN IGF) established in 2006 and he has already join a member of the Council of Governmental Advisors of Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance . The minister will lead a five-member high level delegation from Bangladesh; the delegation comprises one representative private sector, civil society, policy expert and technical community in Bangladesh. The four other delegation members are deputy head of the delegation *Dr Akram Hossain Chowdhury*, Chairperson, Center for E -Parliament Research, *Ms. Afroza Haq,* Member of Bangladesh Association of Software & Information Services (BASIS), *Abdul Haque, *Secretary General of Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum (BIGF), and *AHM. Bazlur Rahman*, Member of Multi-Stakeholder Steering Group of Asia Pacific Regional Internet Governance Forum (APrIGF) & Chief Executive Officer, Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum (BIGF) in conjunction with United Nations Internet Governance Forum (UN IGF) has already initiated to develop people's charter on Internet governance for Bangladesh in consultation with multistakeholder like government, civil society, private sector, academia and media. Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication is part of people's charter on Internet governance process in line with community media. Bazlu ______ _______________ AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR *| *Chief Executive Officer *|* Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) *[NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council]* House: 13/3, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207*|* Bangladesh*|* Phone: +88-02-9130750| 9101479 | Cell: +88 01711881647 Fax: 88-02-9138501 *|* E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net* |* bnnr cbd at gmail.com *|* www.bnnrc.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chlebrum at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 05:17:06 2014 From: chlebrum at gmail.com (chlebrum .) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:17:06 +0200 Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Bangladesh_Delegation_on_NETmundial_no?= =?UTF-8?Q?w_in_S=C3=A3o_Paulo=2C_Brazil?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome! Nice to see you again, Chantal & Louis 2014-04-22 11:04 GMT+02:00 AHM Bazlur Rahman : > > *Bangladesh Delegation on NETmundial now in São Paulo* > > > *H E Hasanul Haq Inu, MP*, Information Minister, Government of the > People’s Republic of Bangladesh > with other 4 member delegation now in > *São Paulo* > for > join > ing > a global meeting on the future of the Internet Governance > NETmundial > > > > Hasanul Haq Inu will deliver welcome remarks to opening ceremony of > NETmundial. > He > also the chairperson of Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum (BIGF) in > conjunction with United Nations Internet Governance Forum (UN IGF) > established in 2006 and he > has already join > a member of the Council of Governmental Advisors of Global > Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance > . > > > > The minister will lead a five-member high level delegation from > Bangladesh; the delegation comprises one representative private sector, > civil society, policy expert and technical community in Bangladesh. > > > > The four other delegation members are deputy head of the delegation > > *Dr Akram Hossain Chowdhury*, Chairperson, Center for E –Parliament > Research, > > *Ms. Afroza Haq,* Member of Bangladesh Association of Software & > Information Services (BASIS), > > *Abdul Haque, *Secretary General of Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum > (BIGF), and > > *AHM. Bazlur Rahman*, Member of Multi-Stakeholder Steering Group of Asia > Pacific Regional Internet Governance Forum (APrIGF) & > > Chief Executive Officer, Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and > Communication (BNNRC) > > > Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum (BIGF) in conjunction with United > Nations Internet Governance Forum (UN IGF) has already initiated to develop > people’s charter on Internet governance for Bangladesh in consultation with > multistakeholder like government, civil society, private sector, academia > and media. Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication is part of > people’s charter on Internet governance process in line with community > media. > > > Bazlu > > ______ > _______________ > > AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR *| *Chief Executive Officer *|* > Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) > *[NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social > Council]* > > House: 13/3, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207*|* Bangladesh*|* > Phone: +88-02-9130750| 9101479 | Cell: +88 01711881647 > Fax: 88-02-9138501 *|* E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net* |* bnnr > cbd at gmail.com *|* > www.bnnrc.net > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trust is one that is a principle as well as a road map. And I am convinced that it is key. And like many colleagues have noted, all actions that destroy trust destroy the Internet (non acceptance of Net neutrality, unwarranted surveillance, threats of cyberwar etc) > > I know it is a challenge to build, as stakeholders enlarge and the stakes get higher... > > But build it, we must > > All for now > > Nnenna > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Marie GEORGES wrote: > > Many thanks Nnema, > Hope you will make clear that point 7 on trust became 1st priority > after Snowden's revelations on mass surveillance and on how some States managed to keep or introduce back door in equipments and poor cryptographical tools, > THAT, for the sake of ITC and development, it is all the more urgent Governments concerned make clear to the world that they STOP mass surveillance and that they STOP using internet as a new armed battle field while more and more the world depends daily on that infrastructure. > Best regards > Marie > Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > > Dear all > > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be included. Here are a few remarks from my end: > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > 2. NetMundial is d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Tue Apr 22 05:57:34 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 11:57:34 +0200 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan In-Reply-To: References: <2F099E79-E3FD-4238-BFBF-523C2F76CA8A@noos.fr> <20140421224154.5873815.1229.41135@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 Am 22.04.2014 11:56 schrieb "Oksana Prykhodko" : > > Dear Nnenna, excellent points with trust as a priority. > best regards, > Oksana > On Tuesday, April 22, 2014, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > > Trust Nnenna on STAGE! > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Tracy Hackshaw @ Google < > tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Excellent approach Nnenna! > > Use the platform well. > > /t > > Sent from BlackBerry Q10 > > From: Nnenna Nwakanma > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 5:13 PM > > To: Marie GEORGES > > Reply To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Cc: Governance; ; Discussion List on > African Internet Governance Forum > > Subject: Re: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil > Society) Draft speech plan > > Hi Marie, all > > > > I hope I will. Trust is one that is a principle as well as a road map. > And I am convinced that it is key. And like many colleagues have noted, > all actions that destroy trust destroy the Internet (non acceptance of Net > neutrality, unwarranted surveillance, threats of cyberwar etc) > > > > I know it is a challenge to build, as stakeholders enlarge and the > stakes get higher... > > > > But build it, we must > > > > All for now > > > > Nnenna > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Marie GEORGES > wrote: > > > > Many thanks Nnema, > > Hope you will make clear that point 7 on trust became 1st priority > > after Snowden's revelations on mass surveillance and on how some States > managed to keep or introduce back door in equipments and poor > cryptographical tools, > > THAT, for the sake of ITC and development, it is all the more urgent > Governments concerned make clear to the world that they STOP mass > surveillance and that they STOP using internet as a new armed battle field > while more and more the world depends daily on that infrastructure. > > Best regards > > Marie > > Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > > > > Dear all > > > > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be > included. Here are a few remarks from my end: > > > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice > of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out > 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > > > 2. NetMundial is d > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 05:57:33 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:57:33 +0100 Subject: [governance] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document Message-ID: <031f01cf5e11$48b3ed80$da1bc880$@gmail.com> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document São Paulo, Brazil April 21, 2014 NetMundial Draft Outcome Document Misses Out All Key issues from Dilma's UN Speech President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people on the “grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties”, the threat of “cyberspace being used as a weapon of war” and violation sovereign rights of countries including Brazil. She expressed the global discontent in the way the Internet is being currently governed. She called for protection of data as it travels on the web and multilateral mechanisms (or UN mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure democratic governance, cultural diversity, inclusive and non discriminatory societies, and responsible regulation. It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference – on April 23rd-24th – is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has taken the initiative. Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed before the conference. The document fails to mention the word ‘democracy’ at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder model and governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such systems have failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net surveillance, the threat of cyber war and the emergence of global monopolies. Such a model also completely ignores the concept of public interest in Internet governance. If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance would have meant deciding by consensus – between global pharma, AIDS patients in the global south and global governments – what should be the cost of such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying where public good lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an approach and that is why people in the global south today can afford to buy drugs for their treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical companies have equal rights with respect to decisions on safety and effectiveness of their products? A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic norms and the rights of the people – their political, economic, social and cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, for instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific model of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an endorsement of the status quo but a new beginning in Internet governance; an Internet governance that must place public good over private profit, protect global citizens from mass surveillance and the threat of cyber weapons. This is the leadership role that we would expect President Dilma and Brazil to play in NetMundial. This is what all countries and groups who believe in democracy, advancing human rights and social justice and a peaceful world must strive for in the final outcome document. The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause amendment to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the draft should be significantly revised to include the following: 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model with different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an equal footing in governing the Internet 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate principle and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on prohibition of cyberwar and cyber weapons 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the current reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as tiered access and differential pricing) 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the Internet space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and profiteering, and the need for regulating such monopolies 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data of the people by corporations 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in internet governance 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition discussions We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and not implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which are leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled gardens. NetMundial must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, robust and resilient Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the 70 per cent unconnected majority. Just Net Coalition A coalition of civil society groups from different regions globally concerned with Internet governance, human rights and social justice www.justnetcoalition.org Please write to prabirp at gmail.com for further information -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I trust (!) Nnenna makes it clear that what we want is the opposite: it's up to governments (and other big actors like corporations) to prove themselves trustworthy. -- Tapani Tarvainen On Apr 22 12:55, Oksana Prykhodko (sana.pryhod at gmail.com) wrote: > Dear Nnenna, excellent points with trust as a priority. > best regards, > Oksana > On Tuesday, April 22, 2014, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > > Trust Nnenna on STAGE! > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Tracy Hackshaw @ Google < > tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Excellent approach Nnenna! > > Use the platform well. > > /t > > Sent from BlackBerry Q10 > > From: Nnenna Nwakanma > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 5:13 PM > > To: Marie GEORGES > > Reply To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Cc: Governance; ; Discussion List on African > Internet Governance Forum > > Subject: Re: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil > Society) Draft speech plan > > Hi Marie, all > > > > I hope I will. Trust is one that is a principle as well as a road map. > And I am convinced that it is key. And like many colleagues have noted, > all actions that destroy trust destroy the Internet (non acceptance of Net > neutrality, unwarranted surveillance, threats of cyberwar etc) > > > > I know it is a challenge to build, as stakeholders enlarge and the stakes > get higher... > > > > But build it, we must > > > > All for now > > > > Nnenna > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Marie GEORGES > wrote: > > > > Many thanks Nnema, > > Hope you will make clear that point 7 on trust became 1st priority > > after Snowden's revelations on mass surveillance and on how some States > managed to keep or introduce back door in equipments and poor > cryptographical tools, > > THAT, for the sake of ITC and development, it is all the more urgent > Governments concerned make clear to the world that they STOP mass > surveillance and that they STOP using internet as a new armed battle field > while more and more the world depends daily on that infrastructure. > > Best regards > > Marie > > Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > > > > Dear all > > > > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be > included. Here are a few remarks from my end: > > > > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice > of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out > 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. > > > > 2. NetMundial is d -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue Apr 22 06:12:51 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:12:51 +0200 Subject: [governance] Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document Message-ID: <20140422121251.5e7126ce@quill> Dear all, please find below and attached the Just Net Coalition's response to the draft NetMundial Outcome Document. Greetings, Norbert co-convenor, Just Net Coalition * Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document * President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people on the "grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties", the threat of "cyberspace being used as a weapon of war" and violation sovereign rights of countries including Brazil. She expressed the global discontent in the way the Internet is being currently governed. She called for protection of data as it travels on the web and multilateral mechanisms (or UN mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure democratic governance, cultural diversity, inclusive and non discriminatory societies, and responsible regulation. It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference -- on April 23rd-24th -- is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has taken the initiative. Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed before the conference. The document fails to mention the word 'democracy' at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder model and governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such systems have failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net surveillance, the threat of cyber war and the emergence of global monopolies. Such a model also completely ignores the concept of public interest in Internet governance. If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance would have meant deciding /by consensus/-- between global pharma, AIDS patients in the global south and global governments -- what should be the cost of such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying where public good lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an approach and that iswhy people in the global south today can afford to buy drugs for their treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical companies have equal rights with respect to decisions on safety and effectiveness of their products? A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic norms and the rights of the people -- their political, economic, social and cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, for instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific model of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an endorsement of the status quo but a new beginning in Internet governance; an Internet governance that must place public good over private profit, protect global citizens from mass surveillance and the threat of cyber weapons. This is the leadership role that we would expect President Dilma and Brazil to play in NetMundial. This is what all countries and groups who believe in democracy, advancing human rights and social justice and a peaceful world must strive for in the final outcome document. The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause amendment to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the draft should be significantly revised to include the following: 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model with different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an equal footing in governing the Internet. 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate principle and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance. 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on prohibition of cyberwar and cyber weapons. 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the current reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as tiered access and differential pricing). 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the Internet space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and profiteering, and the need for regulating such monopolies. 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data of the people by corporations. 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in internet governance. 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition discussions. We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and not implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which are leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled gardens. NetMundial must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, robust and resilient Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the 70 per cent unconnected majority. [Just_Net_Coalition_Response_NetMundial_2014-04-22.pdf application/pdf (47084 Bytes)] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It closes with an interview with Robert McChesney, who also endorses the Delhi Declaration. Foreword by Louis Pouzin, one of the founding fathers of the internet. http://justnetcoalition.org/sites/default/files/JNC-PUBLICATION.pdf Greetings, Norbert co-convenor, Just Net Coalition -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From vanda at uol.com.br Tue Apr 22 07:40:53 2014 From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda UOL) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:40:53 -0300 Subject: [governance] Netmundial - some questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe we need to focus on principles if we can come out with anything in just two days. >From my point of view, being Brazilian, I don't see as relevance who owns the event. Multistakeholder really needs to be well defined to avoid misunderstanding. There are some tendency to misuse the term. Welcome you all here in São Paulo and safe trip to all Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone > On 21/04/2014, at 12:07, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > In the two days left to us before the meeting begins I think we might generate not a statement but rather a list of questions which the meeting needs to address and if possible answer. > > > I asked, on the Netmundial document, for definitions, because it seems clearer and clearer to me that we are all using the term “multistakeholder” but we do NOT all mean the same thing by it. > > > I should also like a clear statement on the “ownership” of the Netmundial meeting: initially it was a meeting called by Brazil, then it became a meeting called by Brazil and ICANN, recently it acquired twelve governments as co-hosts … so whose meeting is it? That matters a lot. > > > Then considering Garth's comments on Saturday in the Netmundial – Remote Participation thread > > “ I just completed a fast scan of the meaning of stakeholder implicit in the NETmundial document and posted it as a “whole page” comment to that introduction page. I found that stakeholders are not anyone who self-identifies as such. They are qualified into collective categories of organizations that are then “represented.” It would be consistent with that implicit assumption to aggregate individuals into “hubs” (or as ICANN does, into internal “communities”). But it’s not good “Internet” if the choice to connect doesn’t rest at the level of the individual.” > > and Karl's discussion a week or so ago on the issue of “we and me” I would like to know what is being proposed in terms of establishing and protecting the balance between the rights of the group and the rights of the individual. As “civil society” (another term which needs a definition) our interests should tip in favour of “we” - after all we call ourselves “society” - but “civil society”, at least as I understand it, is a coming together of individuals with highly diverse needs and affiliations – for the society to work the members must be satisfied, as they surrender some of their freedoms to the needs of the group, that their individual necessities have also been considered. > > > And yes – there needs to be clarification about process. Not only do we need to ask for clarification but also it would be excellent if we had some proposals ready to make in terms of this – probably too big a task for two days? > > > Do other people share the 4 concerns listed above – there is already discussion about the last one? Any other ideas? > > Deirdre > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a list of the organizations and individuals that form the Just Net Coalition? I could not find this information on the website. Thanks, David On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:57 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > *FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE* > > *Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document* > > *São Paulo, Brazil April 21, 2014* > > *NetMundial Draft Outcome Document Misses Out All Key issues from Dilma's > UN Speech * > > President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, > resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people on > the "grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties", the threat of > "cyberspace being used as a weapon of war" and violation sovereign rights > of countries including Brazil. She expressed the global discontent in the > way the Internet is being currently governed. She called for protection of > data as it travels on the web and multilateral mechanisms (or UN > mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure democratic governance, cultural > diversity, inclusive and non discriminatory societies, and responsible > regulation. > > It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference - on April > 23rd-24th - is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has taken the > initiative. > > Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in > her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed > before the conference. The document fails to mention the word 'democracy' > at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder model and > governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such systems have > failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net surveillance, the > threat of cyber war and the emergence of global monopolies. Such a model > also completely ignores the concept of public interest in Internet > governance. > > If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance would > have meant deciding *by consensus* - between global pharma, AIDS patients > in the global south and global governments - what should be the cost of > such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying where public good > lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an approach and that iswhy people in the global south today can afford to buy drugs for their > treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical companies have equal > rights with respect to decisions on safety and effectiveness of their > products? > > A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and > corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any > meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic > norms and the rights of the people - their political, economic, social and > cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to > private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, for > instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? > > Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their > shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific model > of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an endorsement of > the status quo but a new beginning in Internet governance; an Internet > governance that must place public good over private profit, protect global > citizens from mass surveillance and the threat of cyber weapons. This is > the leadership role that we would expect President Dilma and Brazil to play > in NetMundial. This is what all countries and groups who believe in > democracy, advancing human rights and social justice and a peaceful world > must strive for in the final outcome document. > > The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause amendment > to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the draft should > be significantly revised to include the following: > > 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model > with different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; > recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an equal > footing in governing the Internet > > 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate > principle and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance > > 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on > prohibition of cyberwar and cyber weapons > > 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the > current reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as > tiered access and differential pricing) > > 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the Internet > space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and profiteering, > and the need for regulating such monopolies > > 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data of > the people by corporations > > 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in > internet governance > > 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition > discussions > > We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a > decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and not > implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which are > leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled gardens. NetMundial > must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, robust and resilient > Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the 70 per cent unconnected > majority. > > > > *Just Net Coalition * > > *A coalition of civil society groups from different regions globally > concerned with Internet* > > *governance, human rights and social justice* > > www.justnetcoalition.org > > Please write to prabirp at gmail.com for further information > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- David Sullivan Policy and Communications Director Global Network Initiative Office: +1 202 741 5048 Mobile: +1 646 595 5373 @David_MSullivan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chlebrum at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 08:32:07 2014 From: chlebrum at gmail.com (chlebrum .) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:32:07 +0200 Subject: [governance] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: <031f01cf5e11$48b3ed80$da1bc880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You're right. We have to make this list onto the website asap... after great job in NetMundial it was be easyly Chantal Lebrument www.eurolinc.eu www.open-root.eu Just Net Coalition member 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+02:00 David Sullivan < dsullivan at globalnetworkinitiative.org>: > Hi, thanks for sharing this. Is there a list of the organizations and > individuals that form the Just Net Coalition? I could not find this > information on the website. > > Thanks, > David > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:57 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > >> *FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE* >> >> *Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document* >> >> *São Paulo, Brazil April 21, 2014* >> >> *NetMundial Draft Outcome Document Misses Out All Key issues from Dilma's >> UN Speech * >> >> President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, >> resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people on >> the “grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties”, the threat of >> “cyberspace being used as a weapon of war” and violation sovereign rights >> of countries including Brazil. She expressed the global discontent in the >> way the Internet is being currently governed. She called for protection of >> data as it travels on the web and multilateral mechanisms (or UN >> mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure democratic governance, cultural >> diversity, inclusive and non discriminatory societies, and responsible >> regulation. >> >> It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference – on April >> 23rd-24th – is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has taken the >> initiative. >> >> Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in >> her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed >> before the conference. The document fails to mention the word ‘democracy’ >> at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder model and >> governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such systems have >> failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net surveillance, the >> threat of cyber war and the emergence of global monopolies. Such a model >> also completely ignores the concept of public interest in Internet >> governance. >> >> If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance >> would have meant deciding *by consensus* – between global pharma, AIDS >> patients in the global south and global governments – what should be the >> cost of such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying where >> public good lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an approach and >> that is why people in the global south today can afford to buy drugs for >> their treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical companies have >> equal rights with respect to decisions on safety and effectiveness of their >> products? >> >> A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and >> corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any >> meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic >> norms and the rights of the people – their political, economic, social and >> cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to >> private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, for >> instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? >> >> Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their >> shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific model >> of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an endorsement of >> the status quo but a new beginning in Internet governance; an Internet >> governance that must place public good over private profit, protect global >> citizens from mass surveillance and the threat of cyber weapons. This is >> the leadership role that we would expect President Dilma and Brazil to play >> in NetMundial. This is what all countries and groups who believe in >> democracy, advancing human rights and social justice and a peaceful world >> must strive for in the final outcome document. >> >> The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause >> amendment to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the >> draft should be significantly revised to include the following: >> >> 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model >> with different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; >> recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an equal >> footing in governing the Internet >> >> 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate >> principle and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance >> >> 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on >> prohibition of cyberwar and cyber weapons >> >> 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the >> current reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as >> tiered access and differential pricing) >> >> 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the >> Internet space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and >> profiteering, and the need for regulating such monopolies >> >> 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data >> of the people by corporations >> >> 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in >> internet governance >> >> 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition >> discussions >> >> We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a >> decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and not >> implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which are >> leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled gardens. NetMundial >> must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, robust and resilient >> Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the 70 per cent unconnected >> majority. >> >> >> >> *Just Net Coalition * >> >> *A coalition of civil society groups from different regions globally >> concerned with Internet* >> >> *governance, human rights and social justice* >> >> www.justnetcoalition.org >> >> Please write to prabirp at gmail.com for further information >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > David Sullivan > Policy and Communications Director > Global Network Initiative > Office: +1 202 741 5048 > Mobile: +1 646 595 5373 > @David_MSullivan > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 08:41:22 2014 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:41:22 +0100 Subject: [governance] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: <031f01cf5e11$48b3ed80$da1bc880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04bc01cf5e28$2cd62c10$86828430$@gmail.com> Good point Trying to do multiple things at the same time with limited resources but it will go on the list for after NetMundial. M From: David Sullivan [mailto:dsullivan at globalnetworkinitiative.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 1:20 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein Subject: Re: [governance] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document Hi, thanks for sharing this. Is there a list of the organizations and individuals that form the Just Net Coalition? I could not find this information on the website. Thanks, David On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:57 AM, michael gurstein wrote: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document São Paulo, Brazil April 21, 2014 NetMundial Draft Outcome Document Misses Out All Key issues from Dilma's UN Speech President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people on the “grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties”, the threat of “cyberspace being used as a weapon of war” and violation sovereign rights of countries including Brazil. She expressed the global discontent in the way the Internet is being currently governed. She called for protection of data as it travels on the web and multilateral mechanisms (or UN mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure democratic governance, cultural diversity, inclusive and non discriminatory societies, and responsible regulation. It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference – on April 23rd-24th – is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has taken the initiative. Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed before the conference. The document fails to mention the word ‘democracy’ at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder model and governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such systems have failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net surveillance, the threat of cyber war and the emergence of global monopolies. Such a model also completely ignores the concept of public interest in Internet governance. If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance would have meant deciding by consensus – between global pharma, AIDS patients in the global south and global governments – what should be the cost of such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying where public good lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an approach and that is why people in the global south today can afford to buy drugs for their treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical companies have equal rights with respect to decisions on safety and effectiveness of their products? A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic norms and the rights of the people – their political, economic, social and cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, for instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific model of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an endorsement of the status quo but a new beginning in Internet governance; an Internet governance that must place public good over private profit, protect global citizens from mass surveillance and the threat of cyber weapons. This is the leadership role that we would expect President Dilma and Brazil to play in NetMundial. This is what all countries and groups who believe in democracy, advancing human rights and social justice and a peaceful world must strive for in the final outcome document. The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause amendment to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the draft should be significantly revised to include the following: 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model with different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an equal footing in governing the Internet 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate principle and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on prohibition of cyberwar and cyber weapons 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the current reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as tiered access and differential pricing) 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the Internet space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and profiteering, and the need for regulating such monopolies 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data of the people by corporations 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in internet governance 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition discussions We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and not implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which are leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled gardens. NetMundial must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, robust and resilient Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the 70 per cent unconnected majority. Just Net Coalition A coalition of civil society groups from different regions globally concerned with Internet governance, human rights and social justice www.justnetcoalition.org Please write to prabirp at gmail.com for further information ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- David Sullivan Policy and Communications Director Global Network Initiative Office: +1 202 741 5048 Mobile: +1 646 595 5373 @David_MSullivan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nhklein at gmx.net Tue Apr 22 09:27:59 2014 From: nhklein at gmx.net (Norbert Klein) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 20:27:59 +0700 Subject: [governance] Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: <20140422121251.5e7126ce@quill> References: <20140422121251.5e7126ce@quill> Message-ID: <53566E5F.6080302@gmx.net> Thanks a lot - excellent. Norbert Klein Cambodia On 4/22/2014 5:12 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Dear all, > > please find below and attached the Just Net Coalition's response to > the draft NetMundial Outcome Document. > > Greetings, > Norbert > co-convenor, Just Net Coalition > > > * Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document * > > President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, > resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people > on the "grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties", the > threat of "cyberspace being used as a weapon of war" and violation > sovereign rights of countries including Brazil. She expressed the > global discontent in the way the Internet is being currently governed. > She called for protection of data as it travels on the web and > multilateral mechanisms (or UN mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure > democratic governance, cultural diversity, inclusive and non > discriminatory societies, and responsible regulation. > > It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference -- on > April 23rd-24th -- is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has > taken the initiative. > > Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in > her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed > before the conference. The document fails to mention the word > 'democracy' at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder > model and governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such > systems have failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net > surveillance, the threat of cyber war and the emergence of global > monopolies. Such a model also completely ignores the concept of public > interest in Internet governance. > > If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance > would have meant deciding /by consensus/-- between global pharma, AIDS > patients in the global south and global governments -- what should be > the cost of such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying > where public good lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an > approach and that iswhy people in the global south today can afford to > buy drugs for their treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical > companies have equal rights with respect to decisions on safety and > effectiveness of their products? > > A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and > corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any > meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic > norms and the rights of the people -- their political, economic, social > and cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to > private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, > for instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? > > Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their > shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific > model of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an > endorsement of the status quo but a new beginning in Internet > governance; an Internet governance that must place public good over > private profit, protect global citizens from mass surveillance and the > threat of cyber weapons. This is the leadership role that we would > expect President Dilma and Brazil to play in NetMundial. This is what > all countries and groups who believe in democracy, advancing human > rights and social justice and a peaceful world must strive for in the > final outcome document. > > The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause > amendment to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the > draft should be significantly revised to include the following: > > 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model with > different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; > recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an > equal footing in governing the Internet. > > 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate principle > and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance. > > 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on prohibition > of cyberwar and cyber weapons. > > 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the current > reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as > tiered access and differential pricing). > > 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the Internet > space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and > profiteering, and the need for regulating such monopolies. > > 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data of the > people by corporations. > > 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in internet > governance. > > 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition > discussions. > > We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a > decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and > not implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which > are leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled > gardens. NetMundial must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, > robust and resilient Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the > 70 per cent unconnected majority. > > [Just_Net_Coalition_Response_NetMundial_2014-04-22.pdf application/pdf > (47084 Bytes)] -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sana.pryhod at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 10:18:35 2014 From: sana.pryhod at gmail.com (Oksana Prykhodko) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:18:35 +0300 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan In-Reply-To: <20140422101126.GB13609@tarvainen.info> References: <2F099E79-E3FD-4238-BFBF-523C2F76CA8A@noos.fr> <20140421224154.5873815.1229.41135@gmail.com> <20140422101126.GB13609@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: For me trust means right and possibility to say: "I distrust!". And to receive "trustable" answer) Even maybe from any responsible body On Tuesday, April 22, 2014, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > Agreed, although I can't help observing that "trust" can be (and has > been) abused to imply citizens *should* trust the government and that > it's their fault if they don't and create an atmosphere of distrust. > > But I trust (!) Nnenna makes it clear that what we want is the > opposite: it's up to governments (and other big actors like > corporations) to prove themselves trustworthy. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > > On Apr 22 12:55, Oksana Prykhodko (sana.pryhod at gmail.com) wrote: > >> Dear Nnenna, excellent points with trust as a priority. >> best regards, >> Oksana >> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: >> > Trust Nnenna on STAGE! >> > Sonigitu Ekpe >> > >> > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 >> > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Tracy Hackshaw @ Google < >> tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Excellent approach Nnenna! >> > Use the platform well. >> > /t >> > Sent from BlackBerry Q10 >> > From: Nnenna Nwakanma >> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 5:13 PM >> > To: Marie GEORGES >> > Reply To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > Cc: Governance; ; Discussion List on African >> Internet Governance Forum >> > Subject: Re: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil >> Society) Draft speech plan >> > Hi Marie, all >> > >> > I hope I will. Trust is one that is a principle as well as a road map. >> And I am convinced that it is key. And like many colleagues have noted, >> all actions that destroy trust destroy the Internet (non acceptance of Net >> neutrality, unwarranted surveillance, threats of cyberwar etc) >> > >> > I know it is a challenge to build, as stakeholders enlarge and the stakes >> get higher... >> > >> > But build it, we must >> > >> > All for now >> > >> > Nnenna >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Marie GEORGES >> wrote: >> > >> > Many thanks Nnema, >> > Hope you will make clear that point 7 on trust became 1st priority >> > after Snowden's revelations on mass surveillance and on how some States >> managed to keep or introduce back door in equipments and poor >> cryptographical tools, >> > THAT, for the sake of ITC and development, it is all the more urgent >> Governments concerned make clear to the world that they STOP mass >> surveillance and that they STOP using internet as a new armed battle field >> while more and more the world depends daily on that infrastructure. >> > Best regards >> > Marie >> > Le 21 avr. 2014 à 18:07, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : >> > >> > Dear all >> > >> > I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be >> included. Here are a few remarks from my end: >> > >> > 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice >> of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out >> 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. >> > >> > 2. NetMundial is d > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 10:55:28 2014 From: cveraq at gmail.com (Carlos Vera Quintana) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:55:28 -0500 Subject: [governance] Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: <53566E5F.6080302@gmx.net> References: <20140422121251.5e7126ce@quill> <53566E5F.6080302@gmx.net> Message-ID: Norbert where's the URL to this? Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Sígueme @cveraq > El 22/04/2014, a las 8:27, Norbert Klein escribió: > > Thanks a lot - excellent. > > Norbert Klein > Cambodia > > >> On 4/22/2014 5:12 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> please find below and attached the Just Net Coalition's response to >> the draft NetMundial Outcome Document. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> co-convenor, Just Net Coalition >> >> >> * Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document * >> >> President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, >> resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people >> on the "grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties", the >> threat of "cyberspace being used as a weapon of war" and violation >> sovereign rights of countries including Brazil. She expressed the >> global discontent in the way the Internet is being currently governed. >> She called for protection of data as it travels on the web and >> multilateral mechanisms (or UN mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure >> democratic governance, cultural diversity, inclusive and non >> discriminatory societies, and responsible regulation. >> >> It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference -- on >> April 23rd-24th -- is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has >> taken the initiative. >> >> Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in >> her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed >> before the conference. The document fails to mention the word >> 'democracy' at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder >> model and governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such >> systems have failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net >> surveillance, the threat of cyber war and the emergence of global >> monopolies. Such a model also completely ignores the concept of public >> interest in Internet governance. >> >> If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance >> would have meant deciding /by consensus/-- between global pharma, AIDS >> patients in the global south and global governments -- what should be >> the cost of such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying >> where public good lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an >> approach and that iswhy people in the global south today can afford to >> buy drugs for their treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical >> companies have equal rights with respect to decisions on safety and >> effectiveness of their products? >> >> A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and >> corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any >> meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic >> norms and the rights of the people -- their political, economic, social >> and cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to >> private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, >> for instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? >> >> Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their >> shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific >> model of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an >> endorsement of the status quo but a new beginning in Internet >> governance; an Internet governance that must place public good over >> private profit, protect global citizens from mass surveillance and the >> threat of cyber weapons. This is the leadership role that we would >> expect President Dilma and Brazil to play in NetMundial. This is what >> all countries and groups who believe in democracy, advancing human >> rights and social justice and a peaceful world must strive for in the >> final outcome document. >> >> The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause >> amendment to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the >> draft should be significantly revised to include the following: >> >> 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model with >> different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; >> recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an >> equal footing in governing the Internet. >> >> 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate principle >> and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance. >> >> 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on prohibition >> of cyberwar and cyber weapons. >> >> 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the current >> reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as >> tiered access and differential pricing). >> >> 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the Internet >> space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and >> profiteering, and the need for regulating such monopolies. >> >> 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data of the >> people by corporations. >> >> 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in internet >> governance. >> >> 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition >> discussions. >> >> We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a >> decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and >> not implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which >> are leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled >> gardens. NetMundial must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, >> robust and resilient Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the >> 70 per cent unconnected majority. >> >> [Just_Net_Coalition_Response_NetMundial_2014-04-22.pdf application/pdf >> (47084 Bytes)] > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From vanda at uol.com.br Tue Apr 22 13:08:39 2014 From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:08:39 -0300 Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do believe one issue related directly to internet substitution of US at IANA function should be address to demonstrate the cicil society interest on the security and stability of the net. Welcome to Brazil, Nnenna. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 From: Nnenna Nwakanma Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , Nnenna Nwakanma Date: Monday, April 21, 2014 at 13:07 To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , "" , Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum Subject: [governance] NetMundial opening ceremony address (Civil Society) Draft speech plan Dear all I have received some 100+ feedback on the request for issues to be included. Here are a few remarks from my end: 1. It is not possible to bring all our issues to fore. We have a choice of either rolling out most issues and getting them drowned, or picking out 2-3 key issues and building them up. I'm choosing the later. 2. NetMundial is dealing with two key challenges: Principles and Road Map for the future of Internet Governance. In as much as it might be important to decry most ongoings, I believe it is far more valuable to step into the future, anticipate and advance leading thoughts. 3. I only have 8 minutes and in reality, the speech needs to be constrained to 7. So below is a brief outline: === Draft minute by minute: 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) 7. 8. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda 9. Thanks === All for now Nnenna ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue Apr 22 14:19:08 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 03:19:08 +0900 Subject: [governance] Summary of comments - NETmundial secretariat Message-ID: The secretariat has produced a summary of comments. Final report on comments of the Draft Outcome Document is available W3Chttp://netmundial.br/blog/2014/04/22/final-report-on-comments-of-the-draft-outcome-document-is-available/April 22, 2014 NETmundial Executive Secretariat consolidated 1.370 comments received, between April 15th and 21st, in one single report that now is available for public consultation. The total of these remarks were shared in Introduction (40), Principles (832) and Roapmap (498). During seven days, commenters were invited to provide their name, their preferred email address and the sector to which they thought they belonged to in the capacity of commenting. NETmundial used no validation system to verify the identity of the commenter. This report and, most importantly, the comments themselves, should be read in light of this information. The comment system was locked down on 12:00pm UTC. After that, NETmundial’s Data Team took the final snapshot of the database with all the comments and their relevant information and produced the summary report, available in .pdf format for download through the link below. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue Apr 22 18:56:30 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 07:56:30 +0900 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed Message-ID: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> Senate passed Marco Civil. Congratulations Brazil! Adam -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nnenna75 at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 19:27:06 2014 From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:27:06 +0000 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: If my sources are correct, Dilma Rousseff will sign it tomorrow during the opening of NetMundial... N On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > Senate passed Marco Civil. > > Congratulations Brazil! > > Adam > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deirdre On 22 April 2014 18:56, Adam Peake wrote: > Senate passed Marco Civil. > > Congratulations Brazil! > > Adam > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jefsey at jefsey.com Tue Apr 22 19:46:21 2014 From: jefsey at jefsey.com (JFC Morfin) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:46:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: At 00:56 23/04/2014, Adam Peake wrote: >Senate passed Marco Civil. >Congratulations Brazil! Bravo!! Just in time. Would there be an English translation of it? M G >Adam > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Apr 22 20:09:55 2014 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:09:55 +0900 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: Congratulations to all who worked so hard to materialize this as the first country on the globe to implement this. And Adam, thank you for sharing this in the middle of so busy schedule to prepare the NET Mundial mtg. Izumi 2014年4月22日火曜日、Adam Peakeさんは書きました: > Senate passed Marco Civil. > > Congratulations Brazil! > > Adam > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mawaki On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:46 PM, JFC Morfin wrote: > At 00:56 23/04/2014, Adam Peake wrote: > >> Senate passed Marco Civil. >> Congratulations Brazil! >> > > Bravo!! > Just in time. > Would there be an English translation of it? > > M G > > > Adam >> >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue Apr 22 20:24:02 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 05:54:02 +0530 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <53570822.9030001@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 23 April 2014 05:40 AM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > That's what happens when a President throws her/his political weight > in the mix... tipping the momentum created by civil society over the > finish line ;) Yes, congratulations to Brazil across the board. Brazil deserves a big applaud! BTW, relating this to the discussion at the civil society meeting today, this is a show-piece of a democratic systems (legislature passing the law) based on participatory democracy (the huge, well-structured, really bottom up, open, transparent public consultations and inputs) with a strong element of multistakeholderism based on clear processes (the initial Internet principles of CGI.Br) and NOT 'equal footing multistakeholderism' where corporates would be put on the same pedestal as legitimate people's representation in relation to 'actual decision making' for 'public policies' and laws. parminder > > Mawaki > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:46 PM, JFC Morfin > wrote: > > At 00:56 23/04/2014, Adam Peake wrote: > > Senate passed Marco Civil. > Congratulations Brazil! > > > Bravo!! > Just in time. > Would there be an English translation of it? > > M G > > > Adam > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Tue Apr 22 20:30:19 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:30:19 +1000 Subject: [governance] Resource People for CS speaking slots Message-ID: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> Hi everyone, This message is mainly for the people selected during todays civil society meeting to work together as the resource people for our inputs during sessions tomorrow – I dont have an email list for everyone, but those involved please note: We should meet at 0830 – I suggest just inside the registration area to work further on our strategy and approach – we can continue somewhere with morning coffee before the main session. My list of names (probably not complete) is II Human Rights - Gabrielle Guillemin, Robin Gross, Mishi Choudhary, Mariana Diaz, Stephanie Perrin III NetNeutrality: Explicitly address Net Neutrality - Veridiana, Jeremy Zimmerman, Joao Caribe IV Security, stability and resilience of the Internet (add cyberpeace) – Valeria Betancourt, David Cake, Ola Bini V. Enabling environment for innovation and creativity - Renata Avilla, Claudio Ruiz, Jeremy Malcolm Reinforce right to access to knowledge and the right to share VI. Internet governance process principles - Anja Kovacs, Prabir, Nnenna, Joana Varon, Parminder Singh Roadmap I IANA transition & ICANN - Milton Mueller, Mwaki Chango, Niels ten Oever, Matthew Shears II Surveillance - Jakob Appelbaum, Ian Peter Please note this is indicative only as regards subjects – other subjects may well be raised, but we will choose from the above group for our inputs depending on what is needed from us. Please note also that everyone chosen has undertaken to speak for civil society as a whole and crossover of subjects will happen. For everyone else – I am sure there will be an update on what we achieved together today, but the way cs representatives worked together all day, and in meetings with other stakeholders, was absolutely fantastic. Great foundation for out inputs over next two days and congratulations to the organisers. PS Expect a few surprises as well! Ian Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Tue Apr 22 20:41:55 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:41:55 +1000 Subject: [governance] Resource People for CS speaking slots In-Reply-To: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> References: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> Message-ID: <9B2D65E4770348F7B4284735F8307C2B@Toshiba> I know Robin Gross should be in there somewhere as well – if your name was left out inadvertently, pls just join in. Ian From: Ian Peter Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:30 AM To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: [governance] Resource People for CS speaking slots Hi everyone, This message is mainly for the people selected during todays civil society meeting to work together as the resource people for our inputs during sessions tomorrow – I dont have an email list for everyone, but those involved please note: We should meet at 0830 – I suggest just inside the registration area to work further on our strategy and approach – we can continue somewhere with morning coffee before the main session. My list of names (probably not complete) is II Human Rights - Gabrielle Guillemin, Robin Gross, Mishi Choudhary, Mariana Diaz, Stephanie Perrin III NetNeutrality: Explicitly address Net Neutrality - Veridiana, Jeremy Zimmerman, Joao Caribe IV Security, stability and resilience of the Internet (add cyberpeace) – Valeria Betancourt, David Cake, Ola Bini V. Enabling environment for innovation and creativity - Renata Avilla, Claudio Ruiz, Jeremy Malcolm Reinforce right to access to knowledge and the right to share VI. Internet governance process principles - Anja Kovacs, Prabir, Nnenna, Joana Varon, Parminder Singh Roadmap I IANA transition & ICANN - Milton Mueller, Mwaki Chango, Niels ten Oever, Matthew Shears II Surveillance - Jakob Appelbaum, Ian Peter Please note this is indicative only as regards subjects – other subjects may well be raised, but we will choose from the above group for our inputs depending on what is needed from us. Please note also that everyone chosen has undertaken to speak for civil society as a whole and crossover of subjects will happen. For everyone else – I am sure there will be an update on what we achieved together today, but the way cs representatives worked together all day, and in meetings with other stakeholders, was absolutely fantastic. Great foundation for out inputs over next two days and congratulations to the organisers. PS Expect a few surprises as well! Ian Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue Apr 22 21:10:19 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 06:40:19 +0530 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: <53570822.9030001@itforchange.net> References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> <53570822.9030001@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <004001cf5e90$ce6b16e0$6b4144a0$@hserus.net> Corporations have just as much right to be at the table. As do individuals who contribute their own effort and resources. Simply demanding a stake “just because” has never worked, not even in a representational democracy. From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of parminder Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:54 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Marco Civil passed On Wednesday 23 April 2014 05:40 AM, Mawaki Chango wrote: That's what happens when a President throws her/his political weight in the mix... tipping the momentum created by civil society over the finish line ;) Yes, congratulations to Brazil across the board. Brazil deserves a big applaud! BTW, relating this to the discussion at the civil society meeting today, this is a show-piece of a democratic systems (legislature passing the law) based on participatory democracy (the huge, well-structured, really bottom up, open, transparent public consultations and inputs) with a strong element of multistakeholderism based on clear processes (the initial Internet principles of CGI.Br) and NOT 'equal footing multistakeholderism' where corporates would be put on the same pedestal as legitimate people's representation in relation to 'actual decision making' for 'public policies' and laws. parminder Mawaki On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:46 PM, JFC Morfin > wrote: At 00:56 23/04/2014, Adam Peake wrote: Senate passed Marco Civil. Congratulations Brazil! Bravo!! Just in time. Would there be an English translation of it? M G Adam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca Tue Apr 22 21:23:25 2014 From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 21:23:25 -0400 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <9083710C-8995-4844-A969-95725B51FB61@mail.utoronto.ca> Congratulations to all, timing was excellent too! Stephanie Perrin On Apr 22, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > Senate passed Marco Civil. > > Congratulations Brazil! > > Adam > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nhklein at gmx.net Tue Apr 22 21:29:51 2014 From: nhklein at gmx.net (Norbert Klein) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:29:51 +0700 Subject: [governance] Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: <20140422121251.5e7126ce@quill> <53566E5F.6080302@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5357178F.1030603@gmx.net> Sorry for the late response (I live now in a "digital divided" area: Internet access only when traveling - like at present). Here is a URL on /ALAI, América Latina en Movimiento/: http://alainet.org/active/73101 I had seen the text, quoted on the [governance] list. Norbert Klein = On 4/22/2014 9:55 PM, Carlos Vera Quintana wrote: > Norbert where's the URL to this? > > Carlos Vera Quintana > 0988141143 > Sígueme @cveraq > >> El 22/04/2014, a las 8:27, Norbert Klein escribió: >> >> Thanks a lot - excellent. >> >> Norbert Klein >> Cambodia >> >> >>> On 4/22/2014 5:12 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> please find below and attached the Just Net Coalition's response to >>> the draft NetMundial Outcome Document. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> co-convenor, Just Net Coalition >>> >>> >>> * Just Net Coalition Response to NetMundial Outcome Document * >>> >>> President Dilma's Speech in the UN General assembly last September, >>> resonated throughout the world. It expressed the outrage of the people >>> on the "grave violation of human rights and of civil liberties", the >>> threat of "cyberspace being used as a weapon of war" and violation >>> sovereign rights of countries including Brazil. She expressed the >>> global discontent in the way the Internet is being currently governed. >>> She called for protection of data as it travels on the web and >>> multilateral mechanisms (or UN mechanisms) for the Internet to ensure >>> democratic governance, cultural diversity, inclusive and non >>> discriminatory societies, and responsible regulation. >>> >>> It is in this context within which the NetMundial conference -- on >>> April 23rd-24th -- is taking place in Sao Paulo for which Brazil has >>> taken the initiative. >>> >>> Unfortunately, all the above issues that President Dilma highlighted in >>> her UN speech, are missing from the current draft that is being placed >>> before the conference. The document fails to mention the word >>> 'democracy' at all - and instead talks only about the multistakeholder >>> model and governance on the basis of consensus. This, even though such >>> systems have failed in protecting the global citizens from drag-net >>> surveillance, the threat of cyber war and the emergence of global >>> monopolies. Such a model also completely ignores the concept of public >>> interest in Internet governance. >>> >>> If we take the pharmaceutical example, a multistakeholder governance >>> would have meant deciding /by consensus/-- between global pharma, AIDS >>> patients in the global south and global governments -- what should be >>> the cost of such lifesaving drugs, without addressing or identifying >>> where public good lies. Brazil and other countries rejected such an >>> approach and that iswhy people in the global south today can afford to >>> buy drugs for their treatment. And who would accept that pharmaceutical >>> companies have equal rights with respect to decisions on safety and >>> effectiveness of their products? >>> >>> A model that gives equal rights for public policy to governments, and >>> corporations, is giving global corporations, a veto to prevent any >>> meaningful reform and regulation. This is a violation of all democratic >>> norms and the rights of the people -- their political, economic, social >>> and cultural rights, essentially surrendering global public interest to >>> private, unelected, rich and powerful global corporations. How could, >>> for instance, network neutrality ever be imposed in such a model? >>> >>> Governments are answerable to their people; corporations to their >>> shareholders. People and profits cannot be equated through a specific >>> model of governance. This is what NetMundial must address; not an >>> endorsement of the status quo but a new beginning in Internet >>> governance; an Internet governance that must place public good over >>> private profit, protect global citizens from mass surveillance and the >>> threat of cyber weapons. This is the leadership role that we would >>> expect President Dilma and Brazil to play in NetMundial. This is what >>> all countries and groups who believe in democracy, advancing human >>> rights and social justice and a peaceful world must strive for in the >>> final outcome document. >>> >>> The Just Net Coalition has submitted a detailed clause-by-clause >>> amendment to the Draft of the NetMundial document. We believe that the >>> draft should be significantly revised to include the following: >>> >>> 1. A democratic and multistakeholder Internet governance model with >>> different roles and responsibilities for different stakeholders; >>> recognising that corporations and governments cannot be placed on an >>> equal footing in governing the Internet. >>> >>> 2. Restoring the reference to the necessary and proportionate principle >>> and therefore countering the continuation of mass surveillance. >>> >>> 3. Restoring reference to the need for a global compact on prohibition >>> of cyberwar and cyber weapons. >>> >>> 4. Adding a clear reference to net neutrality principles (the current >>> reference is too vague and ambiguous, permitting practices such as >>> tiered access and differential pricing). >>> >>> 5. Addressing emerging increased power of monopolies in the Internet >>> space with respect to cultural and language diversity, and >>> profiteering, and the need for regulating such monopolies. >>> >>> 6. Addressing the issue of appropriation and monetisation of data of the >>> people by corporations. >>> >>> 7. Recognizing the concept of global commons or public good in internet >>> governance. >>> >>> 8. Rejecting unilateral preconditions on the IANA transition >>> discussions. >>> >>> We expect that the final outcome document will explicitly foster a >>> decentralized, free and open, non-hierarchical network of networks, and >>> not implicitly favour the current trends of Internet governance which >>> are leading us more and more towards monolithic, centralized walled >>> gardens. NetMundial must dedicate itself to a roadmap to for an open, >>> robust and resilient Internet -- acceptable to everyone including the >>> 70 per cent unconnected majority. >>> >>> [Just_Net_Coalition_Response_NetMundial_2014-04-22.pdf application/pdf >>> (47084 Bytes)] >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From carolina.rossini at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 21:36:31 2014 From: carolina.rossini at gmail.com (Carolina Rossini) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 21:36:31 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Resource People for CS speaking slots In-Reply-To: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> References: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> Message-ID: I will be there as well and as agreed discussed a long time ago I can serve as a resource person both to principles and NN On Apr 22, 2014 9:30 PM, "Ian Peter" wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This message is mainly for the people selected during todays civil society > meeting to work together as the resource people for our inputs during > sessions tomorrow – I dont have an email list for everyone, but those > involved please note: > > We should meet at 0830 – I suggest just inside the registration area to > work further on our strategy and approach – we can continue somewhere with > morning coffee before the main session. My list of names (probably not > complete) is > > II Human Rights - Gabrielle Guillemin, Robin Gross, Mishi Choudhary, > Mariana Diaz, Stephanie Perrin > > III NetNeutrality: Explicitly address Net Neutrality - Veridiana, Jeremy > Zimmerman, Joao Caribe > > IV Security, stability and resilience of the Internet (add cyberpeace) – > Valeria Betancourt, David Cake, Ola Bini > > V. Enabling environment for innovation and creativity - Renata Avilla, > Claudio Ruiz, Jeremy Malcolm > Reinforce right to access to knowledge and the right to share > > VI. Internet governance process principles - Anja Kovacs, Prabir, Nnenna, > Joana Varon, Parminder Singh > > *Roadmap* > > I IANA transition & ICANN - Milton Mueller, Mwaki Chango, Niels ten Oever, > Matthew Shears > II Surveillance - Jakob Appelbaum, Ian Peter > > Please note this is indicative only as regards subjects – other subjects > may well be raised, but we will choose from the above group for our inputs > depending on what is needed from us. Please note also that everyone chosen > has undertaken to speak for civil society as a whole and crossover of > subjects will happen. > > For everyone else – I am sure there will be an update on what we achieved > together today, but the way cs representatives worked together all day, and > in meetings with other stakeholders, was absolutely fantastic. Great > foundation for out inputs over next two days and congratulations to the > organisers. > > > PS Expect a few surprises as well! > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam > N > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > Senate passed Marco Civil. > > Congratulations Brazil! > > Adam > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chaitanyabd at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 02:32:58 2014 From: chaitanyabd at gmail.com (Chaitanya Dhareshwar) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:32:58 -0700 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed Message-ID: <-4804014517729229376@unknownmsgid> Wonderful news. New world, here we come! Chaitanya Dhareshwar Mobile: +91.9820760253 From: Adam Peake Sent: 4/23/2014 4:27 To: Best Bits; governance at lists.igcaucus.org IGC Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed Senate passed Marco Civil. Congratulations Brazil! 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Borami Kim 2014. 4. 22. 오후 10:24에 "Stephanie Perrin" 님이 작성: > Congratulations to all, timing was excellent too! > Stephanie Perrin > On Apr 22, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > > > Senate passed Marco Civil. > > > > Congratulations Brazil! > > > > Adam > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Divina Frau-Meigs Professeur, sociologue des médias Directrice CLEMI ANR TRANSLIT Chaire UNESCO « savoir devenir dans le développement numérique durable » Le 23/04/2014 03:23, « Stephanie Perrin » a écrit : >Congratulations to all, timing was excellent too! >Stephanie Perrin >On Apr 22, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > >> Senate passed Marco Civil. >> >> Congratulations Brazil! >> >> Adam >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From marie.georges at noos.fr Wed Apr 23 05:59:37 2014 From: marie.georges at noos.fr (Marie GEORGES) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:59:37 +0200 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> <9083710C-8995-4844-A969-95725B51FB61@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <28C0FFDD-7CBE-4F89-87EB-0FCC594F915F@noos.fr> Dear People in Sao Paulo at Netmundial, What about asking our Brazilian friends when they will adopt the complementary and necessary draft Data Protection law prepared years ago ? and did, in the Marco Civil, the Senate adopted the 13 months retention period for metadata by telecom and ISPs? if so , it is awful. best wishes Marie Le 23 avr. 2014 à 10:17, divina.meigs a écrit : > > Le 23/04/2014 03:23, « Stephanie Perrin » > a écrit : > >> Congratulations to all, timing was excellent too! >> Stephanie Perrin >> On Apr 22, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >> >>> Senate passed Marco Civil. >>> >>> Congratulations Brazil! >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Wed Apr 23 06:24:07 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:24:07 +0200 Subject: [governance] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Just Net Coalition Response to the Draft NetMundial Outcome Document In-Reply-To: References: <031f01cf5e11$48b3ed80$da1bc880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20140423122407.4234a079@quill> David Sullivan wrote: > Hi, thanks for sharing this. Is there a list of the organizations and > individuals that form the Just Net Coalition? I could not find this > information on the website. The reason for this is that unfortunately we haven't yet progressed far enough on the path from total disorganization to semi-organization to have finalized the list of founding members. (There were about four dozen people, from all continents with the exception of Antarctica, at the meeting in Delhi out of which the Just Net Coalition has emerged, and we were all in agreement with this path forward, but that doesn't imply that all the organizations which were represented are formally joining the coalition... also we need to clarify who is joining in personal capacity...) We'll post a members list as soon as we have sorted this out. Greetings, Norbert co-convenor, Just Net Coalition -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 06:57:48 2014 From: cveraq at gmail.com (Carlos Vera Quintana) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 05:57:48 -0500 Subject: [governance] Marco Civil passed In-Reply-To: <28C0FFDD-7CBE-4F89-87EB-0FCC594F915F@noos.fr> References: <30CBFE1F-B769-41D5-8095-3F2817538EBF@glocom.ac.jp> <9083710C-8995-4844-A969-95725B51FB61@mail.utoronto.ca> <28C0FFDD-7CBE-4F89-87EB-0FCC594F915F@noos.fr> Message-ID: <90EE2C60-95F1-407A-ABBD-57AB012859AB@gmail.com> The final document for Marco Civil is available? Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Sígueme @cveraq > El 23/04/2014, a las 4:59, Marie GEORGES escribió: > > Dear People in Sao Paulo at Netmundial, > > What about asking our Brazilian friends when they will adopt the complementary and necessary draft Data Protection law prepared years ago ? > > and did, in the Marco Civil, the Senate adopted the 13 months retention period for metadata by telecom and ISPs? if so , it is awful. > best wishes > Marie > >> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 10:17, divina.meigs a écrit : >> >> >> Le 23/04/2014 03:23, « Stephanie Perrin » >> a écrit : >> >>> Congratulations to all, timing was excellent too! >>> Stephanie Perrin >>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >>>> >>>> Senate passed Marco Civil. >>>> >>>> Congratulations Brazil! >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Wed Apr 23 07:44:00 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:44:00 +0200 Subject: [governance] Resource People for CS speaking slots In-Reply-To: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> References: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> Message-ID: <20140423134400.7a45142a@quill> Does the creation of a list of names as "resource people for our inputs during sessions tomorrow" mean for all other civil society "participants" of NETmundial it is pre-determined in advance that they won't be able to make interventions??? Greetings, Norbert Am Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:30:19 +1000 schrieb "Ian Peter" : > Hi everyone, > > This message is mainly for the people selected during todays civil > society meeting to work together as the resource people for our > inputs during sessions tomorrow – I dont have an email list for > everyone, but those involved please note: > > We should meet at 0830 – I suggest just inside the registration area > to work further on our strategy and approach – we can continue > somewhere with morning coffee before the main session. My list of > names (probably not complete) is > > II Human Rights - Gabrielle Guillemin, Robin Gross, Mishi Choudhary, > Mariana Diaz, Stephanie Perrin > III NetNeutrality: Explicitly address Net Neutrality - Veridiana, > Jeremy Zimmerman, Joao Caribe > IV Security, stability and resilience of the Internet (add > cyberpeace) – Valeria Betancourt, David Cake, Ola Bini > V. Enabling environment for innovation and creativity - Renata > Avilla, Claudio Ruiz, Jeremy Malcolm Reinforce right to access to > knowledge and the right to share > VI. Internet governance process principles - Anja Kovacs, Prabir, > Nnenna, Joana Varon, Parminder Singh > > Roadmap > > I IANA transition & ICANN - Milton Mueller, Mwaki Chango, Niels ten > Oever, Matthew Shears II Surveillance - Jakob Appelbaum, Ian Peter > > Please note this is indicative only as regards subjects – other > subjects may well be raised, but we will choose from the above group > for our inputs depending on what is needed from us. Please note also > that everyone chosen has undertaken to speak for civil society as a > whole and crossover of subjects will happen. > > For everyone else – I am sure there will be an update on what we > achieved together today, but the way cs representatives worked > together all day, and in meetings with other stakeholders, was > absolutely fantastic. Great foundation for out inputs over next two > days and congratulations to the organisers. > > > PS Expect a few surprises as well! > > > Ian Peter > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Jeremy at Malcolm.id.au Wed Apr 23 08:08:21 2014 From: Jeremy at Malcolm.id.au (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:08:21 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Resource People for CS speaking slots In-Reply-To: References: <47C3D39AD6974D8298B1B8BB09DEA4C6@Toshiba> Message-ID: <022D7CD2-C97C-4D8D-A695-801545AB6B71@Malcolm.id.au> On 23 Apr 2014, at 8:58 am, Veridiana Alimonti wrote: > Where are you? > In the main room, huddled on the left. -- Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.e164.org|awk -F! 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FYI www.intgovforum.de/uploads/2/6/6/6/26664635/messages_from_the_german_igf.prep-meeting.pdf Recommendations of the German IGF-D for the NETMundial Meeting The following messages and recommendations resulted from the briefing and discussion of the proposal of the German government delegation for the NETmundial conference held at the German IGF preparatory meeting: PP1 Acknowledging the reinforcement of the multistakeholder model as a manifestation of democracy and the governance principle on internet issues; PP2 Noting the importance of addressing technical aspects since infrastructure has a crucial role to enable and warrant human rights online; PP3 Endorsing the emphasis of the German government delegation on privacy issues as one of the human rights being at stake in the current digital landscape; PP4 Recalling that mass surveillance was one of the motives leading to the NETmundial conference, PP5 Remarking that the mass surveillance issues revealed by the leaks of Edward Snowden are not regulated by data protection principles but by regulation on national security, The participants of the German IGF pre-event on NETmundial (1) call upon all conference participants and decision makers: - To define and precise the roles and responsibilities of all stakeholders in accordance with democratic rules; - To include mechanisms to foster the participation of civil society and youth by including them in the early stages of dialogue and enhancing transparency and information access at a regional, national and international level; - To provide for checks and balances mechanisms in the envisioned roadmap; - To provide for alternative and additional implementation mechanisms to national enforcement and interpretation; (2) Request the explicit inclusion of principles to counter mass surveillance, (3) Affirm the importance of setting a balance between the rights of privacy and freedom of expression, (4) Call for programs to strengthening citizens capability in digital media literacy and interpretation of today's policies (5) Request the explicit inclusion of the principle of net neutrality, (6) Recommend the continuance of the work started at NETmundial in the IGF fora. www.intgovforum.de/uploads/2/6/6/6/26664635/messages_from_the_german_igf.prep-meeting.pdf Kind regards, Lorena Jaume-Palasí Member of the organizing German IGF Team -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lots were involved. But nobody will stop anybody. On Apr 23, 2014 8:44 AM, "Norbert Bollow" wrote: > Does the creation of a list of names as "resource people for our inputs > during sessions tomorrow" mean for all other civil society > "participants" of NETmundial it is pre-determined in advance that they > won't be able to make interventions??? > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > Am Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:30:19 +1000 > schrieb "Ian Peter" : > > > Hi everyone, > > > > This message is mainly for the people selected during todays civil > > society meeting to work together as the resource people for our > > inputs during sessions tomorrow – I dont have an email list for > > everyone, but those involved please note: > > > > We should meet at 0830 – I suggest just inside the registration area > > to work further on our strategy and approach – we can continue > > somewhere with morning coffee before the main session. My list of > > names (probably not complete) is > > > > II Human Rights - Gabrielle Guillemin, Robin Gross, Mishi Choudhary, > > Mariana Diaz, Stephanie Perrin > > III NetNeutrality: Explicitly address Net Neutrality - Veridiana, > > Jeremy Zimmerman, Joao Caribe > > IV Security, stability and resilience of the Internet (add > > cyberpeace) – Valeria Betancourt, David Cake, Ola Bini > > V. Enabling environment for innovation and creativity - Renata > > Avilla, Claudio Ruiz, Jeremy Malcolm Reinforce right to access to > > knowledge and the right to share > > VI. Internet governance process principles - Anja Kovacs, Prabir, > > Nnenna, Joana Varon, Parminder Singh > > > > Roadmap > > > > I IANA transition & ICANN - Milton Mueller, Mwaki Chango, Niels ten > > Oever, Matthew Shears II Surveillance - Jakob Appelbaum, Ian Peter > > > > Please note this is indicative only as regards subjects – other > > subjects may well be raised, but we will choose from the above group > > for our inputs depending on what is needed from us. Please note also > > that everyone chosen has undertaken to speak for civil society as a > > whole and crossover of subjects will happen. > > > > For everyone else – I am sure there will be an update on what we > > achieved together today, but the way cs representatives worked > > together all day, and in meetings with other stakeholders, was > > absolutely fantastic. Great foundation for out inputs over next two > > days and congratulations to the organisers. > > > > > > PS Expect a few surprises as well! > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[image: Netmundial] Today April 23 2014 and tomorrow April 24 2014 the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance aka NETmundial is taking place in Sao Paulo, Brazil. The meeting will focus on crafting Internet governance principles and proposing a roadmap for the further evolution of the Internet governance ecosystem. Draft outcome documents are posted at http://document.netmundial.br/ A live webcast is available below. A multilingual version is also available. *Wednesday Morning session*: *View on YouTube*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KemK8YbHrI *Wednesday Afternoon session*: *View on YouTube*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUxDb5RY3Cg *Thursday Morning session*: *View on YouTube*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN1Kt5umwwQ *Thursday Morning session*: *View on YouTube*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2DAvj5M60k *Twitter*: #netmundial2014 Comment See all comments *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6575 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From subi.igp at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 10:08:10 2014 From: subi.igp at gmail.com (Subi Chaturvedi) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:38:10 +0530 Subject: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Absolutely outstanding Nnenna. You said everything we think and hope that the web we want would be. So moved. Thank you for articulating our thoughts so beautifully and with such passion, like only you could have done. Thank you also for being such a wonderful ambassador of CS at #netmundial2014. Warmest Subi On 23 Apr 2014 19:11, "Deirdre Williams" wrote: > > Oh WOW!! > I'm sitting here in tears. > Deirdre > > > On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro wrote: >> >> Awesome! >> >> -- >> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel >> Sent from mobile device >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >l. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I liked your making the analogy of Football game with Internet governance. I am really proud of you being our voice. izumi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dcogburn at syr.edu Wed Apr 23 10:29:17 2014 From: dcogburn at syr.edu (Derrick L. Cogburn) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:29:17 -0400 Subject: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62687360-36E6-410B-A3D5-28D64E2A8FC7@syr.edu> Indeed, it was a fantastic contribution Nnenna. VERY well done! You made us proud. Prof. Derrick L. Cogburn School of Information Studies Syracuse University 232 Hinds Hall Syracuse, NY 13244-4100 Phone: +1.315.443.5441 Fax: +1.315.443.6886 http://cotelco.net/ On Apr 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > What a powerful message you delivered on behalf of the Civil Society.this morning at > NETMundial. > > I think your message had got the best reactions and applause from all the participants > and demonstrated the quality of the Civil Society discourse on Internet Governance. > SO well done. > > I liked your making the analogy of Football game with Internet governance. > > I am really proud of you being our voice. > > izumi > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com PGP: https://alkasir.com/doc/admin_alkasir_pub_key.txt On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: > +1 > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> What a powerful message you delivered on behalf of the Civil Society.this >> morning at >> NETMundial. >> >> I think your message had got the best reactions and applause from all the >> participants >> and demonstrated the quality of the Civil Society discourse on Internet >> Governance. >> SO well done. >> >> I liked your making the analogy of Football game with Internet governance. >> >> I am really proud of you being our voice. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Seun Ojedeji, > Federal University Oye-Ekiti > web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng > Mobile: +2348035233535 > alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andrea at digitalpolicy.it Wed Apr 23 10:41:34 2014 From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:41:34 -0300 Subject: [governance] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: "The Internet needs better governance, starting now" (speech at NETmundial, Sao Paulo, 23 April 2014) Message-ID: [ Apologies if you receive this email multiple times. Please share among your contacts, as appropriate ] Dear all, For your information, please find at http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-333_en.htm and reproduced below the *speech* (as prepared for delivery) of Neelie Kroes, Vice-President of the European Commission, at the Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance or NETmundial (Sao Paulo, 23-24 April 2014). Please also note that an *extended version* of Vice-President Kroes' remarks ("*Global governance for a global, common, public resource*") is available at http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/global-governance-global-common-public-resource. I'd like to also refer you to the *press release* of the European Commission of 23 April 2014, concerning our priorities for the NETmundial meeting (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-315_en.htm) as well as the *two open letters* of Vice-President Kroes of 11 April 2014 ( http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/my-thoughts-netmundial-and-future-internet-governance) and 16 April 2014 ( http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/netmundial-lets-get-work), in which the six priority areas of the European Commission for this conference are outlined: · Improvements to the multi-stakeholder model of governance (and resistance to calls for greater government-control) model · Strengthening the Internet Governance Forum · Providing tools and mechanisms for better information sharing and capacity building, so that a truly global debate and governance is possible · Globalising IANA (Internet Assigned Numbers Authority) · Globalisation of ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) · Jurisdictional issues on the Internet +++ The Internet needs better governance, starting now European Commission - SPEECH/14/333 23/04/2014 [Check Against Delivery] Neelie KROES Vice-President of the European Commission responsible for the Digital Agenda *The Internet needs better governance, starting now *Opening remarks, NETMundial *Sao Paulo, Brazil, 23 April 2014* *To add your comment to this speech, see the social version of the speech **here * *This could be an historic gathering.* *So ask yourself: are we here to make a change, and live up to the call made by President Rousseff in New York, or are we here to waste time?* *The Internet is more disruptive than the printing press, electrification and industrialisation combined.* *The Internet is the quickest, biggest revolution in history. * *The Internet is now a global, common, public resource and its governance must be truly global, transparent and accountable.* *That means we all have to change. No existing organisation or nation is exempt.* *This puts a huge responsibility on us in this room. * *This week we must move forward.* *If we simply do more talking, use more nice words, we will have wasted the opportunity and failed the global community.* *What should we do?* *First: we can only create positive change based on what we agree on, not what divides us. * *Let’s admit our recent work has produced a large degree of consensus. We can get excited about a word here or there, but let us not lose sight of the bigger picture.* *In most cases we want the same things. We agree on: * *(1) An improved multi-stakeholder model: transparent, democratic, based on human rights; and a roadmap to get there;* *(2) A process for the transition of the IANA functions involving all the stakeholder community;* *(3) Strengthening the Internet Governance Forum;* *(4) Capacity building through information sharing and Internet observatories; * *(5) We must address jurisdictional issues on the Internet with transparent systems. * *In summary: we agree on more than we disagree on.* *While I do not want to trivialise the challenges, I believe we can meet them. * ***** *We need to decide where we want to be, by the end of 2014.* *During these next two days I will be breathing down everybody's neck until we have a discussion on concrete actions.* *So two days of dialogue please, not a string of monologues. * *This is what open and democratic debate should be: we listen, we discuss, and then we reach real decisions.* *I'm looking forward to that.* *Thank you*. +++ Best regards, -- Andrea Glorioso (Mr) European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and Technology Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy Development Avenue de Beaulieu 25 (4/64) / B-1049 / Brussels / Belgium T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E: Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu Twitter: @andreaglorioso Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.glorioso LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro The views expressed above are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission. Les opinions exprimées ci-dessus n'engagent que leur auteur et ne sauraient en aucun cas être assimilées à une position officielle de la Commission européenne. Be transparent - Sign up to the European Commission's Register of Interest Representatives http://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regrin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enviada do meu iPad > Em 23/04/2014, às 11:32, Borami Kim escreveu: > > +1 wow !!! > > B > > 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 작성: >> Oh WOW!! >> I'm sitting here in tears. >> Deirdre >> >> >>> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro wrote: >>> Awesome! >>> >>> -- >>> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel >>> Sent from mobile device >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well done. Regards   Imran Ahmed Shah  >________________________________ > From: Walid AL-SAQAF >To: governance ; "" >Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2014, 19:33 >Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech > > >Congrats Nnenna! > >Well-articulate points indeed. > >A tip for those who haven't had the chance to watch the speech, you >can find it here: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KemK8YbHrI > >Just point to minute 35:00 on the video timeline. >Sincerely, > >Walid > >----------------- > >Walid Al-Saqaf >Founder & Administrator >alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship >https://alkasir.com > >PGP: https://alkasir.com/doc/admin_alkasir_pub_key.txt > > > >On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: >> +1 >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>> What a powerful message you delivered on behalf of the Civil Society.this >>> morning at >>> NETMundial. >>> >>> I think your message had got the best reactions and applause from all the >>> participants >>> and demonstrated the quality of the Civil Society discourse on Internet >>> Governance. >>> SO well done. >>> >>> I liked your making the analogy of Football game with Internet governance. >>> >>> I am really proud of you being our voice. >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Seun Ojedeji, >> Federal University Oye-Ekiti >> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng >> Mobile: +2348035233535 >> alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You said everything we think and hope that > the web we want would be. So moved. Thank you for articulating our thoughts > so beautifully and with such passion, like only you could have done. > > Thank you also for being such a wonderful ambassador of CS at > #netmundial2014. > > Warmest > > Subi > > On 23 Apr 2014 19:11, "Deirdre Williams" > wrote: > > > > Oh WOW!! > > I'm sitting here in tears. > > Deirdre > > > > > > On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro > wrote: > >> > >> Awesome! > >> > >> -- > >> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel > >> Sent from mobile device > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >l. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From b.schombe at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 11:15:28 2014 From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:15:28 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECCOORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr 2014-04-23 16:23 GMT+02:00 Izumi AIZU : > What a powerful message you delivered on behalf of the Civil Society.this > morning at > NETMundial. > > I think your message had got the best reactions and applause from all the > participants > and demonstrated the quality of the Civil Society discourse on Internet > Governance. > SO well done. > > I liked your making the analogy of Football game with Internet governance. > > I am really proud of you being our voice. > > izumi > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brett Brett Solomon Executive Director Access | accessnow.org +1 917 969 6077 @solomonbrett Key ID: 0x4EDC17EB Fingerprint: C02C A886 B0FC 3A25 FF9F ECE8 FCDF BA23 4EDC 17EB On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Tapani Tarvainen < tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote: > On Apr 23 19:38, Subi Chaturvedi (subi.igp at gmail.com) wrote: > > > Absolutely outstanding Nnenna. > > Indeed. Overshadowed other speakers so badly it was almost > embarrassing to listen them after Nnenna's awesome performance. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Apr 23 11:41:58 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 01:41:58 +1000 Subject: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: <20140423145149.GE3936@tarvainen.info> References: <20140423145149.GE3936@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: what everyone else said. powerful fantastic contribution. -----Original Message----- From: Tapani Tarvainen Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:51 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Nenna's speech On Apr 23 19:38, Subi Chaturvedi (subi.igp at gmail.com) wrote: > Absolutely outstanding Nnenna. Indeed. Overshadowed other speakers so badly it was almost embarrassing to listen them after Nnenna's awesome performance. -- Tapani Tarvainen ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From capdasiege at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 12:17:45 2014 From: capdasiege at gmail.com (CAPDA CAPDA) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:17:45 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: <20140423145149.GE3936@tarvainen.info> References: <20140423145149.GE3936@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Wanderful Nnenna, good job! Hurra for Civil Society... 2014-04-23 16:51 GMT+02:00 Tapani Tarvainen : > On Apr 23 19:38, Subi Chaturvedi (subi.igp at gmail.com) wrote: > > > Absolutely outstanding Nnenna. > > Indeed. Overshadowed other speakers so badly it was almost > embarrassing to listen them after Nnenna's awesome performance. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Michel TCHONANG LINZE* Coordinateur Général Coordonnateur Régional Afrique Centrale Réseau Panafricain Société Civile (ACSIS) *ÉVÈNEMENTS SUR LES TIC** !* - NETmundial du *23 au 24 Avril 2014* à Sao Paulo, Bresil - *SMSI +10* *Haut Niveau 10 au 13 Juin 2014, Genève Suisse * - *SYMPOSIUM TIC AFRIQUE, du 15 au 18 juillet 2014 à Yaoundé, Cameroun* - 9ème FGI du 02 au 05 Septembre 2014.à Istanbul, Turquie CAPDA (Consortium d'Appui aux Actions pour la Promotion et le Développement de l'Afrique) BP : 15 151 DOUALA - CAMEROUN Tél. : (237) 7775-39-63 / 2212-9493 Email : capdasiege at gmail.com / forumtic2005 at yahoo.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joana at varonferraz.com Wed Apr 23 12:21:45 2014 From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:21:45 -0300 Subject: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were wondering if we can make it something for all the ones that felt represented by its content (many, I suspect) to just endorse it. On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" wrote: > > +1 wow !!! > > B > > 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 작성: > >> Oh WOW!! >> I'm sitting here in tears. >> Deirdre >> >> >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro wrote: >>> >>> Awesome! >>> >>> -- >>> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel >>> Sent from mobile device >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Wed Apr 23 07:35:17 2014 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:35:17 +0200 Subject: [governance] Session on the roadmap today Message-ID: <5357A575.8070808@wzb.eu> Hi everyone, we expect to have about 6 or 7 speaking slots for civil society (and for all other stakeholder groups for that matter) in the working session on the roadmap part of the draft document. It would be good if you could coordinate, try to allocate some of the slots beforehand and prepare them well. Slots are only 2 minutes long! I will explain the working methods in more detail in the first session after the lunch break. Jeanette -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rishab.bailey at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 12:42:35 2014 From: rishab.bailey at gmail.com (Rishab Bailey) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:12:35 +0530 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1! On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) < mgodwin at internews.org> wrote: > > I think this is a great idea! > -- > > *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project > > mgodwin at internews.org | *Mobile* 415-793-4446 > > *Skype* mnemonic1026 > > *Address* 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA > > > > *INTERNEWS* | *Local Voices. Global Change.* > > www.internews.org | @internews | > facebook.com/internews > > From: Poncelet Ileleji > Reply-To: Poncelet Ileleji > Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM > To: Joana Varon > Cc: Internet Governance , " > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> <" , Diego > Rafael Canabarro > Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech > > Hi Joana, > > Definitely I totally endorse this intiative +1 > > Regards > > Poncelet > > > On 23 April 2014 16:21, Joana Varon wrote: > >> Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were wondering if we >> can make it something for all the ones that felt represented by its content >> (many, I suspect) to just endorse it. >> >> >> >> On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" wrote: >> > >> > +1 wow !!! >> > >> > B >> > >> > 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 >> 작성: >> > >> >> Oh WOW!! >> >> I'm sitting here in tears. >> >> Deirdre >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Awesome! >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel >> >>> Sent from mobile device >> >>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >>> >> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >>> >> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > > -- > Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS > Coordinator > The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio > MDI Road Kanifing South > P. O. Box 421 Banjul > The Gambia, West Africa > Tel: (220) 4370240 > Fax:(220) 4390793 > Cell:(220) 9912508 > Skype: pons_utd > > > > > > > *www.ymca.gm www.waigf.org > www.aficta.org www.itag.gm > www.npoc.org > http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753 > *www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > > > > > Click hereto report this email as spam. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Apr 23 12:43:24 2014 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 01:43:24 +0900 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +100 ! 2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey : > +1! > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) < > mgodwin at internews.org> wrote: > >> >> I think this is a great idea! >> -- >> >> *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project >> >> mgodwin at internews.org | *Mobile* 415-793-4446 >> >> *Skype* mnemonic1026 >> >> *Address* 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA >> >> >> >> *INTERNEWS* | *Local Voices. Global Change.* >> >> www.internews.org | @internews | >> facebook.com/internews >> >> From: Poncelet Ileleji >> Reply-To: Poncelet Ileleji >> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM >> To: Joana Varon >> Cc: Internet Governance , " >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> <" , Diego >> Rafael Canabarro >> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech >> >> Hi Joana, >> >> Definitely I totally endorse this intiative +1 >> >> Regards >> >> Poncelet >> >> >> On 23 April 2014 16:21, Joana Varon wrote: >> >>> Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were wondering if we >>> can make it something for all the ones that felt represented by its content >>> (many, I suspect) to just endorse it. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" wrote: >>> > >>> > +1 wow !!! >>> > >>> > B >>> > >>> > 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 >>> 작성: >>> > >>> >> Oh WOW!! >>> >> I'm sitting here in tears. >>> >> Deirdre >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Awesome! >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel >>> >>> Sent from mobile device >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >> >>> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >> >>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >>> > >>> > ____________________________________________________________ >>> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> > To be removed from the list, visit: >>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> > >>> > For all other list information and functions, see: >>> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> > >>> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> > >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS >> Coordinator >> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio >> MDI Road Kanifing South >> P. O. Box 421 Banjul >> The Gambia, West Africa >> Tel: (220) 4370240 >> Fax:(220) 4390793 >> Cell:(220) 9912508 >> Skype: pons_utd >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *www.ymca.gm www.waigf.org >> www.aficta.org www.itag.gm >> www.npoc.org >> http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753 * >> www.diplointernetgovernance.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Click hereto report this email as spam. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From squ24n at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 12:47:35 2014 From: squ24n at gmail.com (Borami Kim) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 01:47:35 +0900 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +101 !!! B 2014. 4. 23. 오후 1:44에 "Izumi AIZU" 님이 작성: > +100 ! > > > > 2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey : > >> +1! >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) < >> mgodwin at internews.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> I think this is a great idea! >>> -- >>> >>> *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project >>> >>> mgodwin at internews.org | *Mobile* 415-793-4446 >>> >>> *Skype* mnemonic1026 >>> >>> *Address* 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA >>> >>> >>> >>> *INTERNEWS* | *Local Voices. Global Change.* >>> >>> www.internews.org | @internews | >>> facebook.com/internews >>> >>> From: Poncelet Ileleji >>> Reply-To: Poncelet Ileleji >>> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM >>> To: Joana Varon >>> Cc: Internet Governance , " >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> <" , >>> Diego Rafael Canabarro >>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech >>> >>> Hi Joana, >>> >>> Definitely I totally endorse this intiative +1 >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Poncelet >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2014 16:21, Joana Varon wrote: >>> >>>> Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were wondering if >>>> we can make it something for all the ones that felt represented by its >>>> content (many, I suspect) to just endorse it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" wrote: >>>> > >>>> > +1 wow !!! >>>> > >>>> > B >>>> > >>>> > 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 >>>> 작성: >>>> > >>>> >> Oh WOW!! >>>> >> I'm sitting here in tears. >>>> >> Deirdre >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Awesome! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel >>>> >>> Sent from mobile device >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>> >> >>>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >> >>>> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >> >>>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > ____________________________________________________________ >>>> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> > To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> > >>>> > For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> > >>>> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> > >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Poncelet O. 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Is there a possibility to read a transcript at least? 2014-04-23 18:43 GMT+02:00 Izumi AIZU : > +100 ! > > > > 2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey : > > +1! >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) < >> mgodwin at internews.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> I think this is a great idea! >>> -- >>> >>> *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project >>> >>> mgodwin at internews.org | *Mobile* 415-793-4446 >>> >>> *Skype* mnemonic1026 >>> >>> *Address* 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA >>> >>> >>> >>> *INTERNEWS* | *Local Voices. Global Change.* >>> >>> www.internews.org | @internews | >>> facebook.com/internews >>> >>> From: Poncelet Ileleji >>> Reply-To: Poncelet Ileleji >>> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM >>> To: Joana Varon >>> Cc: Internet Governance , " >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> <" , >>> Diego Rafael Canabarro >>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech >>> >>> Hi Joana, >>> >>> Definitely I totally endorse this intiative +1 >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Poncelet >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2014 16:21, Joana Varon wrote: >>> >>>> Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were wondering if >>>> we can make it something for all the ones that felt represented by its >>>> content (many, I suspect) to just endorse it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" wrote: >>>> > >>>> > +1 wow !!! >>>> > >>>> > B >>>> > >>>> > 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 >>>> 작성: >>>> > >>>> >> Oh WOW!! >>>> >> I'm sitting here in tears. >>>> >> Deirdre >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. 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Is there a possibility to read a transcript at least? > > > > 2014-04-23 18:43 GMT+02:00 Izumi AIZU >: > > +100 ! > > > > 2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey >: > > +1! > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin > (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG ) > > wrote: > > > I think this is a great idea! > -- > > *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy > Project____ > > mgodwin at internews.org > | *Mobile* 415-793-4446 > ____ > > *Skype* mnemonic1026____ > > *Address* 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, > DC 20036 USA____ > > ____ > > *INTERNEWS* |* **Local Voices. Global Change.*____ > > www.internews.org | @internews > | facebook.com/internews > > > > From: Poncelet Ileleji > > Reply-To: Poncelet Ileleji > > Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM > To: Joana Varon > > Cc: Internet Governance >, > "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> > <" > >, Diego Rafael > Canabarro > > Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech > > Hi Joana, > > Definitely I totally endorse this intiative +1 > > Regards > > Poncelet > > > On 23 April 2014 16:21, Joana Varon > wrote: > > Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were > wondering if we can make it something for all the ones > that felt represented by its content (many, I suspect) > to just endorse it. > > > > On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" > wrote: > > > > +1 wow !!! > > > > B > > > > 2014. 4. 23 . 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre > Williams" >님이 작성: > > > >> Oh WOW!! > >> I'm sitting here in tears. > >> Deirdre > >> > >> > >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro > wrote: > >>> > >>> Awesome! > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel > >>> Sent from mobile device > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > -- > Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS > Coordinator > The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio > MDI Road Kanifing South > P. O. Box 421 Banjul > The Gambia, West Africa > Tel: (220) 4370240 > Fax:(220) 4390793 > Cell:(220) 9912508 > Skype: pons_utd > /www.ymca.gm > www.waigf.org > www.aficta.org > www.itag.gm > www.npoc.org > http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753 > /www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > * > * > > > > Click here > > to report this email as spam. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > -- > Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet > Governance (GIG) Ohu > Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. > www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter > ∙ Facebook > ∙ Twitter > ∙Youtube > -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In early part, she appears. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KemK8YbHrI izumi 2014-04-24 1:50 GMT+09:00 Katitza Rodriguez : > Transcripts are here: https://prakash.im/text-netmundial-day1.html > > > On 04/23/2014 09:48 AM, Lorena Jaume-Palasi wrote: > > I'd love to hear the speech, it must have been fantastic! Congrats! Has > > it been recorded? Is there a possibility to read a transcript at least? > > > > > > > > 2014-04-23 18:43 GMT+02:00 Izumi AIZU >>: > > > > +100 ! > > > > > > > > 2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey > >: > > > > +1! > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin > > (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG ) > > > wrote: > > > > > > I think this is a great idea! > > -- > > > > *Mike Godwin* | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy > > Project____ > > > > mgodwin at internews.org > > | *Mobile* 415-793-4446 > > ____ > > > > *Skype* mnemonic1026____ > > > > *Address* 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, > > DC 20036 USA____ > > > > ____ > > > > *INTERNEWS* |* **Local Voices. Global Change.*____ > > > > www.internews.org | @internews > > | facebook.com/internews > > > > > > > > From: Poncelet Ileleji > > > > Reply-To: Poncelet Ileleji > > > > Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM > > To: Joana Varon > > > > Cc: Internet Governance > >, > > "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> > > <" > > > >, Diego Rafael > > Canabarro > > > > Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech > > > > Hi Joana, > > > > Definitely I totally endorse this intiative +1 > > > > Regards > > > > Poncelet > > > > > > On 23 April 2014 16:21, Joana Varon > > wrote: > > > > Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were > > wondering if we can make it something for all the ones > > that felt represented by its content (many, I suspect) > > to just endorse it. > > > > > > > > On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" > > wrote: > > > > > > +1 wow !!! > > > > > > B > > > > > > 2014. 4. 23 . 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre > > Williams" > >님이 작성: > > > > > >> Oh WOW!! > > >> I'm sitting here in tears. > > >> Deirdre > > >> > > >> > > >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. Canabarro < > diegocanabarro at gmail.com > > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Awesome! > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel > > >>> Sent from mobile device > > >>> > > >>> > ____________________________________________________________ > > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the > list: > > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > >>> > > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, > see: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > >>> > > >>> Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but > knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > >> > > >> > ____________________________________________________________ > > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > >> > > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, > see: > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > >> > > >> Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, > see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > . > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Poncelet O. 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N ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 Subject: Netmundial address To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" < renata at webfoundation.org>, "Dillon Mann" , "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" < snjorge at webfoundation.org>, "Nnenna Nwakanma" Cc: Here we go!! -- Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* * | Twitter: @webfoundation* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". This was a collective effort by us all.  So thanks to you you and you. N ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 Subject: Netmundial address To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" , "Dillon Mann" , "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" , "Nnenna Nwakanma" Cc: Here we go!! -- Nnenna Nwakanma |  Africa Regional Coordinator Africa  |  Online | +22507416820  | +2348101887065 Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 13:28:47 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:28:47 -0400 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How does the IGC feel? It is 17.26 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 17.26 on Friday. Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) Deirdre On 23 April 2014 13:10, genekimmelman at gmail.com wrote: > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society > groups. Public Knowledge signs on > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Nnenna Nwakanma > Date: 04/23/2014 1:59 PM (GMT-03:00) > To: Jeremy Malcolm ,"" > ,Discussion List on African Internet > Governance Forum ,Governance < > governance at lists.igcaucus.org> > Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address > > > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that > it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" < > renata at webfoundation.org>, "Dillon Mann" , > "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" < > snjorge at webfoundation.org>, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington > DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* * | > Twitter: @webfoundation* > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Wed Apr 23 13:38:42 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:38:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140423193842.4946ae6c@quill> Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised > that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". Well not only the content of this speech was great, but also emotions and delivery (including how you dealt with the problem of getting interrupted by applause so often). An instant classic. Requesting your permission to cut it out the lifestream and post it separately... Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Wed Apr 23 13:40:00 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:40:00 +0200 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140423194000.33543193@quill> Deirdre Williams wrote: > How does the IGC feel? I'm in favor of IGC endorsement. Greetings, Norbert > It is 17.26 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 17.26 on Friday. > Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't > heard any so far.) > Deirdre > > > On 23 April 2014 13:10, genekimmelman at gmail.com > wrote: > > > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil > > society groups. Public Knowledge signs on > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Nnenna Nwakanma > > Date: 04/23/2014 1:59 PM (GMT-03:00) > > To: Jeremy Malcolm > > ,"" > > ,Discussion List on African Internet > > Governance Forum ,Governance < > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org> Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial > > address > > > > > > Dear all > > > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am > > surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and > > you. > > > > N > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > > Subject: Netmundial address > > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" < > > renata at webfoundation.org>, "Dillon Mann" > > , "Carolina Rossini" > > , "Sonia Jorge" < > > snjorge at webfoundation.org>, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > > Cc: > > > > Here we go!! > > > > -- > > > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > > *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, > > Washington DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* > > * | Twitter: @webfoundation* > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 13:52:56 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:52:56 -0400 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil Message-ID: I realised that I should do this more formally. There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." How does the IGC feel? It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) The speech is appended below Deirdre -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Congratulations to Nnenna! cheers Stephanie Perrin On Apr 23, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > I realised that I should do this more formally. > There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." > How does the IGC feel? > It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. > Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) > The speech is appended below > Deirdre > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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B 2014. 4. 23. 오후 1:44에 "Izumi AIZU" 님이 작성: +100 ! > > > > > >2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey : > >+1! >> >> >> >>On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) wrote: >> >> >>> >>>I think this is a great idea! >>>--  >>>Mike Godwin | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project >>>mgodwin at internews.org | Mobile 415-793-4446 >>>Skype mnemonic1026 >>>Address 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA >>>  >>>INTERNEWS | Local Voices. 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People around here were wondering if we can make it something for all the ones that felt represented by its content (many,  I suspect) to just endorse it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 wow !!! >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 작성: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh WOW!! >>>>>> I'm sitting here in tears. >>>>>> Deirdre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 13:56:11 2014 From: cveraq at gmail.com (Carlos Vera Quintana) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:56:11 -0500 Subject: [governance] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And it was 3 minutes long! You should upload to cloud so we can link or tuit please Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Sígueme @cveraq > El 23/04/2014, a las 11:59, Nnenna Nwakanma escribió: > > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" , "Dillon Mann" , "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" , "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com Wed Apr 23 14:19:16 2014 From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 21:19:16 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was quick mobilisation and great input from the Think Tanks from both IGC and BetsBits. Nnenna, you did a great job of compiling and delivering it On 23/04/2014, genekimmelman at gmail.com wrote: > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society > groups.  Public Knowledge signs on > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Nnenna Nwakanma > Date: 04/23/2014 1:59 PM (GMT-03:00) > To: Jeremy Malcolm ,"" > ,Discussion List on African Internet Governance > Forum ,Governance > Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address > > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that it > is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all.  So thanks to you you and you. > > N > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" > , "Dillon Mann" , > "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" > , "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma |  Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa  |  Online | +22507416820  | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC > 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation > -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Wed Apr 23 14:27:02 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:27:02 -0300 Subject: [governance] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <535805F6.9000402@panamo.eu> A wonderful performance. And acute words. Thanks Nnenna! @+, Dom Le 23/04/14 13:59, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised > that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" >, "Renata Avila" > >, "Dillon > Mann" >, "Carolina Rossini" > >, > "Sonia Jorge" >, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > > > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | > +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, > Washington DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* > * | Twitter: @webfoundation* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Wed Apr 23 14:29:54 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:29:54 -0300 Subject: [governance] Larry, Milton and Fadi Message-ID: <535806A2.6010306@panamo.eu> The story of the day, by images: http://reseaux.blog.lemonde.fr/2014/04/23/netmundial-anatomie-promesse/ @+, Dom -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Wed Apr 23 14:47:06 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:47:06 -0300 Subject: [governance] Photos of the Civil society meeting Message-ID: <53580AAA.3000300@panamo.eu> Dear all, Early in the morning, I published a first series of 50 photos of people who participated the Civil society meeting on the 22th in São Paulo. My photo site is an experimental one. No names. And robots are asked to go their way out with a robots.txt file. I'd like to demonstrate if a site can live quietly, communicating with friends freely without beeing captured by non sollicited intermediates. I regularly read the log files. I'll report about the behaviour of robots. I think we could promote ethics for robots, crawlers and search engines... The legal regime of this site is described here: http://www.panamo.eu/usages/ That is in English: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons#Types_of_Creative_Commons_licenses The diaporama of photos: http://www.panamo.eu/1944/netmundial-civil-society-meeting-sao-paulo-22-avril-2014/ @+, Dom -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andersj at elon.edu Wed Apr 23 14:51:46 2014 From: andersj at elon.edu (Janna Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:51:46 +0000 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Netmundial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: NETmundial Day One afternoon session now starting - viewable easily on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUxDb5RY3Cg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Global Change.* > www.internews.org | @internews | facebook.com/internews > > From: Poncelet Ileleji > Reply-To: Poncelet Ileleji > Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM > To: Joana Varon > Cc: Internet Governance , " > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> <" , Diego > Rafael Canabarro > Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Nenna's speech > > Hi Joana, > > Definitely I totally endorse this intiative +1 > > Regards > > Poncelet > > > On 23 April 2014 16:21, Joana Varon wrote: > > Nnenna, that speech was amazing. People around here were wondering if we > can make it something for all the ones that felt represented by its content > (many, I suspect) to just endorse it. > > > > On 23 Apr 2014 11:35, "Borami Kim" wrote: > > > > +1 wow !!! > > > > B > > > > 2014. 4. 23. 오전 10:41에 "Deirdre Williams" 님이 > 작성: > > > >> Oh WOW!! > >> I'm sitting here in tears. > >> Deirdre > >> > >> > >> On 23 April 2014 09:36, Diego R. 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Tx On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: > I realised that I should do this more formally. > There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society > "groups." > How does the IGC feel? > It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. > Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't > heard any so far.) > The speech is appended below > Deirdre > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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wrote: > Dear all, > > Early in the morning, I published a first series of 50 photos of people who participated the Civil society meeting on the 22th in São Paulo. > My photo site is an experimental one. > No names. > And robots are asked to go their way out with a robots.txt file. > I'd like to demonstrate if a site can live quietly, communicating with friends freely without beeing captured by non sollicited intermediates. > > I regularly read the log files. I'll report about the behaviour of robots. > I think we could promote ethics for robots, crawlers and search engines... > > The legal regime of this site is described here: http://www.panamo.eu/usages/ > That is in English: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons#Types_of_Creative_Commons_licenses > > The diaporama of photos: > http://www.panamo.eu/1944/netmundial-civil-society-meeting-sao-paulo-22-avril-2014/ > > @+, Dom > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 15:40:20 2014 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:40:20 +1200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: <535805F6.9000402@panamo.eu> References: <535805F6.9000402@panamo.eu> Message-ID: Dear Nnenna, Firstly, I would like to thank you for your warm spirit and generosity, inclusivity, wisdom and maturity. I watched your speech via https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KemK8YbHrI [*15:02 -25:37*] for those who may have missed it. Thank you for opening your heart out to the community to add their input and you led the way by showing us what collaboration looks like, even though you did not have to. The philosophy behind speaks volumes. As you stood in front of the Net Mundial community to speak, you spoke not only for civil society but for many more. You reached out and touched the core of the human spirit. Every stakeholder within the Internet Governance who was there or who will read the speech, now called "Nnenna's Speech" or watch the video will no doubt pause and reflect on the message you shared. I am thankful that you were one of the earlier speakers as you set the context and the tone. The* Nnenna's Speech* is like the Gettysburg Address of the Internet - one that will be remembered and recorded in history. As someone from Oceania/Pacific, I loved what you said about Access, Social and Economic Justice, Transparency, Open and Free internet, capacity building not for a few but for many etc. Setting the context and the tone before the beginning of a meeting is critical as it affects how the environment and discussions are managed. Yes, whilst I am far away in Fiji from you and the Net Mundial but I am with you in spirit and via technology. :):) Merci Beacoup Nnenna! Sala On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Dominique Lacroix
wrote: > A wonderful performance. And acute words. Thanks Nnenna! > > @+, Dom > > > Le 23/04/14 13:59, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that > it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" < > renata at webfoundation.org>, "Dillon Mann" , > "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" < > snjorge at webfoundation.org>, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington > DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* * | > Twitter: @webfoundation* > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From moctarseck at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 15:44:53 2014 From: moctarseck at gmail.com (Mactar SECK) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:44:53 +0300 Subject: [governance] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Nnenna Congratulations. Well done. Best -------------' Mactar On Apr 23, 2014 8:23 PM, "Nnenna Nwakanma" wrote: > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that > it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" < > renata at webfoundation.org>, "Dillon Mann" , > "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" < > snjorge at webfoundation.org>, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington > DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* * | > Twitter: @webfoundation* > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Wed Apr 23 15:49:16 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 21:49:16 +0200 Subject: [governance] Video link to Nnenna's Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140423214916.1b027c16@quill> Here is a video link to just this great speech complete with the applause and emotions. http://youtu.be/qJebTNivCJo Greetings, Norbert Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised > that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sana.pryhod at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 15:52:19 2014 From: sana.pryhod at gmail.com (Oksana Prykhodko) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:52:19 -0300 Subject: [governance] Nenna's speech In-Reply-To: References: <1398275808.50081.YahooMailNeo@web171704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: +100 Deirdre and Tipani! Oscar and Nobel simultaniously to Nnenna On Wednesday, April 23, 2014, Byoung-il Oh wrote: > really fantastic!! couldn't be better!!! > > 2014. 4. 23. 오후 2:57에 "norbert GLAKPE" 님이 작성: > > Simply fabulous! > Congrat Nnena. > > Le Mercredi 23 avril 2014 19h18, Borami Kim a écrit : > +101 !!! > B > 2014. 4. 23. 오후 1:44에 "Izumi AIZU" 님이 작성: > > +100 ! > > > 2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey : > > +1! > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) < mgodwin at internews.org> wrote: > > I think this is a great idea! > -- > Mike Godwin | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project > mgodwin at internews.org | Mobile 415-793-4446 > Skype mnemonic1026 > Address 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA > > INTERNEWS | Local Voices. Global Change. > www.internews.org | @internews | facebook.com/internews > From: Poncelet Ileleji > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you Nenne Shaila Rao Mistry     President StemInstitute Transforming Ideas into Action   President JAYCOMMI Input Technology With A Human Touch   www.jaycopanels.com Tel: 951 738 2000   MWOSB         The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:16 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: I agree. Tx On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: I realised that I should do this more formally. >There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups."  > >How does the IGC feel? >It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) >The speech is appended below >Deirdre > > -- >“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tx > > >> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> I realised that I should do this more formally. >> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." >> How does the IGC feel? >> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) >> The speech is appended below >> Deirdre >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 16:46:40 2014 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:46:40 -0400 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fantastic work Nnenna. Great job particularly representing the thoughts, feelings and ideals of the diverse group of "developing economies". I'm very happy as well that the UNESCO DDG specifically mentioned Africa and Small Island Developing Nations in his remarks. The battle continues. ------ Rgds, Tracy On Apr 23, 2014 1:08 PM, "genekimmelman at gmail.com" wrote: > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society > groups. Public Knowledge signs on > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Nnenna Nwakanma > Date: 04/23/2014 1:59 PM (GMT-03:00) > To: Jeremy Malcolm ,"" > ,Discussion List on African Internet > Governance Forum ,Governance < > governance at lists.igcaucus.org> > Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address > > > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that > it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" < > renata at webfoundation.org>, "Dillon Mann" , > "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" < > snjorge at webfoundation.org>, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington > DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* * | > Twitter: @webfoundation* > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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M From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:59 PM To: Jeremy Malcolm; ; Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum; Governance Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address Dear all Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. N ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 Subject: Netmundial address To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" , "Dillon Mann" , "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" , "Nnenna Nwakanma" Cc: Here we go!! -- Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Rishab On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Chantal Lebrument wrote: > On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt > > Chantal Lebrument > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : > > I agree. Tx > > > On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: > >> I realised that I should do this more formally. >> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >> "groups." >> How does the IGC feel? >> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >> heard any so far.) >> The speech is appended below >> Deirdre >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dans tous les cas c'est afreux :-) Mais c'est notre monde. Il faut de l'espoir même mal placé et à côté de la plaque pour que les gens vivent. A ceux qui le peuvent de faire le travail de fourmies indutrieuses nécessaire pour que de bonnes choses arrivent quand même ... mais il faut reconnaître que c'est usant ... jfc -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 17:26:30 2014 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:26:30 +1200 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We fully support the Speech: 1. Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro, FIJI 2. Pasifika Nexus On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Rishab Bailey wrote: > I endorse the speech/text on behalf of the Society for Knowledge Commons, > India. > > Regards > Rishab > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Chantal Lebrument wrote: > >> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >> >> Chantal Lebrument >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >> >> I agree. Tx >> >> >> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> >>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >>> "groups." >>> How does the IGC feel? >>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>> heard any so far.) >>> The speech is appended below >>> Deirdre >>> >>> -- >>> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From marie.georges at noos.fr Wed Apr 23 17:35:25 2014 From: marie.georges at noos.fr (Marie GEORGES) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 23:35:25 +0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Nnenna, After I dared to write you yesterday, I don' t regret it at all ! You found not only the rights thoughts to transmit to all (in particular to Big Money and to governments) but also such a nice balancing language. You speech will be the one of the Netmundial we will remember Many thanks Marie Le 23 avr. 2014 à 18:59, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" , "Dillon Mann" , "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" , "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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According to that translation it is 12 months (a year) - Art. 14... 2014-04-23 23:25 GMT+02:00 Jefsey : > On 11:59 23/04/2014, Marie GEORGES said: > >> and did, in the Marco Civil, the Senate adopted the 13 months retention >> period for metadata by telecom and ISPs? if so , it is awful. >> > > Dans tous les cas c'est afreux :-) > Mais c'est notre monde. Il faut de l'espoir même mal placé et à côté de la > plaque pour que les gens vivent. > A ceux qui le peuvent de faire le travail de fourmies indutrieuses > nécessaire pour que de bonnes choses arrivent quand même ... > mais il faut reconnaître que c'est usant ... > jfc > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From the Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda Thanks to your public speech, you did walk the walk, even though you sticked to your minute by minute draft :-). It was difficult to know where these simple lines would lead. What a great speech. My Sincere congratulations. The other very good thing with your speech, is that it is now linked intimately to President Rousseff's words at the UN, and it will become a reference to many, in case they would forget about some critical ideas, principles and issues. I do remember that in the present lists we have had people asking "what means social Justice?" Milton was one of them. Probably today your speech has changed a little that non understanding. Your speech will also raise expectations. It doesn't imply that by all means we should take whatever ICANN and backers will consent to give. When you speak with sincerity of a collective work, or a cooperative spirit, we all know that trust is still low. It will come back through common values, such as the ones you very rightfully put back at the center of the board, but also through common definitions, common language, common honesty. So whatever outcome of NetMundial will engender, it will be confronted to these two speeches. I am willing to see if beyond the speech, there is a dialogue, or just a communication 'game' - not talking about your speech - to make sure people converge, (agree) without assuming the diversity of opinions, and the necessary and fertile debate. Democracy is about le débat d'opinions, not just smiles, '+1', and 'converging'. Let us notice and remember that among the submissions they were only a couple of them who dared suggest a new grand design for Internet Governance, including some essential functions, but clearly going beyond THE solution that ICANN and USG are still willing to push in our mouth and minds. I am not talking of any fight between a multilateral vs a multistakeholder model of governance. (Rousseff today spoke about a multisectoral approach) I am thinking of going beyond that establishment, that single world. Out of ICANN thinking, no survival. Out of one single root zone, no more Internet. This is all a big lie. There is room for more Internet, and for more Democracy in it, and with it. The 'Don't change it, it ain't broken', or 'No one controls the Internet', or 'Internet cannot be governed'. Well Internet can be governed, in a fair and democratic fashion, for all the very same reasons you have exposed with so much talent. I still do not see any reason why a monopoly would be given (or self attributed) the right to decide for itself and for us all. As you said, as the Just Net Coalition and some other defend, the Internet, and not only the web, should be considered as a public commons. This has indeed very practical consequences for the Internet we(?!) want. Warmly and respectfully JC Le 23 avr. 2014 à 18:59, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" , "Dillon Mann" , "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" , "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Wed Apr 23 17:45:02 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 23:45:02 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well done! Very passionate, moving speech. I forwarded it to diverse youth fora. They all loved it! Thanks for this Nnenna! 2014-04-23 23:37 GMT+02:00 Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal < jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>: > Dear Nnenna, > > Compliments for having already transformed NetMundial is something > unexpected. > > From the > > 1. Intro of Nnenna: Africa, Best Bits and Internet Governance Caucus > 2. Intro of the Web Foundation: Mission, and key activities > 3. On principles: a) Access b) social change and justice > 4. On principles c) Human Rights and Freedoms > 5. On Roadmap: a) Participation b) resources > 6. On Roadmap: c) Change (accountability, transparency) > 7. Overarching issue: Trust and positive agenda > 8. Thanks > > to your public speech, you did walk the walk, even though you sticked to > your minute by minute draft :-). It was difficult to know where these > simple lines would lead. What a great speech. My Sincere congratulations. > > The other very good thing with your speech, is that it is now linked > intimately to President Rousseff's words at the UN, and it will become a > reference to many, in case they would forget about some critical ideas, > principles and issues. I do remember that in the present lists we have had > people asking "what means social Justice?" Milton was one of them. Probably > today your speech has changed a little that non understanding. > > Your speech will also raise expectations. It doesn't imply that by all > means we should take whatever ICANN and backers will consent to give. When > you speak with sincerity of a collective work, or a cooperative spirit, we > all know that trust is still low. It will come back through common values, > such as the ones you very rightfully put back at the center of the board, > but also through common definitions, common language, common honesty. So > whatever outcome of NetMundial will engender, it will be confronted to > these two speeches. I am willing to see if beyond the speech, there is a > dialogue, or just a communication 'game' - not talking about your speech - > to make sure people converge, (agree) without assuming the diversity of > opinions, and the necessary and fertile debate. Democracy is about le débat > d'opinions, not just smiles, '+1', and 'converging'. Let us notice and > remember that among the submissions they were only a couple of them who > dared suggest a new grand design for Internet Governance, including some > essential functions, but clearly going beyond THE solution that ICANN and > USG are still willing to push in our mouth and minds. I am not talking of > any fight between a multilateral vs a multistakeholder model of governance. > (Rousseff today spoke about a multisectoral approach) I am thinking of > going beyond that establishment, that single world. Out of ICANN thinking, > no survival. Out of one single root zone, no more Internet. This is all a > big lie. There is room for more Internet, and for more Democracy in it, and > with it. The 'Don't change it, it ain't broken', or 'No one controls the > Internet', or 'Internet cannot be governed'. Well Internet can be governed, > in a fair and democratic fashion, for all the very same reasons you have > exposed with so much talent. I still do not see any reason why a monopoly > would be given (or self attributed) the right to decide for itself and for > us all. As you said, as the Just Net Coalition and some other defend, the > Internet, and not only the web, should be considered as a public commons. > This has indeed very practical consequences for the Internet we(?!) want. > > Warmly and respectfully > JC > > > Le 23 avr. 2014 à 18:59, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > > Dear all > > Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that > it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". > > This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. > > N > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 > Subject: Netmundial address > To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" < > renata at webfoundation.org>, "Dillon Mann" , > "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" < > snjorge at webfoundation.org>, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: > > Here we go!! > > -- > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator > Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 > Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna > *World Wide Web Foundation | **1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington > DC 20005, USA | **www.webfoundation.org* * | > Twitter: @webfoundation* > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Walid On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: > On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt > > Chantal Lebrument > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : > > I agree. Tx > > > On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: > >> I realised that I should do this more formally. >> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >> "groups." >> How does the IGC feel? >> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >> heard any so far.) >> The speech is appended below >> Deirdre >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Apr 23 18:01:18 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 03:31:18 +0530 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> yes On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: > > Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! > > Sincerely, > > Walid > > On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" > wrote: > > On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt > > Chantal Lebrument > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque > a écrit : > >> I agree. Tx >> >> >> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams >> > >> wrote: >> >> I realised that I should do this more formally. >> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from >> civil society "groups." >> How does the IGC feel? >> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices >> (I haven't heard any so far.) >> The speech is appended below >> Deirdre >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" >> Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Wed Apr 23 18:29:32 2014 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:29:32 +0000 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: <0ecc01cf5f39$344f2390$9ced6ab0$@gmail.com> References: ,<0ecc01cf5f39$344f2390$9ced6ab0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6c60dcaed8de41719976d100209bfc9e@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> + 1000000000 endorsed by me : ) Lee ________________________________ From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net on behalf of michael gurstein Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:15 PM To: 'Nnenna Nwakanma'; 'Jeremy Malcolm'; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; 'Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum'; 'Governance' Subject: RE: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address Really excellent Nnenna! Congratulations to all as it is endorsed. M From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:59 PM To: Jeremy Malcolm; ; Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum; Governance Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address Dear all Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. N ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 Subject: Netmundial address To: "Gabe Trodd" >, "Renata Avila" >, "Dillon Mann" >, "Carolina Rossini" >, "Sonia Jorge" >, "Nnenna Nwakanma" > Cc: Here we go!! -- Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From soekpe at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 18:45:39 2014 From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 23:45:39 +0100 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> Message-ID: +1 Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: > yes > > On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: > > Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! > > Sincerely, > > Walid > On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: > >> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >> >> Chantal Lebrument >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >> >> I agree. Tx >> >> >> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> >>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >>> "groups." >>> How does the IGC feel? >>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>> heard any so far.) >>> The speech is appended below >>> Deirdre >>> >>> -- >>> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 18:55:21 2014 From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 00:55:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> +1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a écrit : > +1 > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: > yes > > On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: >> Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Walid >> >> On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: >> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >> >> Chantal Lebrument >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >> >>> I agree. Tx >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." >>> How does the IGC feel? >>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) >>> The speech is appended below >>> Deirdre >>> >>> -- >>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From devonrb at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 18:58:28 2014 From: devonrb at gmail.com (Devon Blake) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:58:28 -0500 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I endorse this speech 100 percent. On Apr 23, 2014 12:54 PM, "Deirdre Williams" wrote: > I realised that I should do this more formally. > There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society > "groups." > How does the IGC feel? > It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. > Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't > heard any so far.) > The speech is appended below > Deirdre > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Apr 23 18:59:05 2014 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 07:59:05 +0900 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> Message-ID: +1000 ;-) izumi 2014-04-24 7:45 GMT+09:00 Sonigitu Ekpe : > +1 > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: > >> yes >> >> On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: >> >> Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Walid >> On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: >> >>> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >>> >>> Chantal Lebrument >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >>> >>> I agree. Tx >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>> >>>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >>>> "groups." >>>> How does the IGC feel? >>>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>>> heard any so far.) >>>> The speech is appended below >>>> Deirdre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tx >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>> >>>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >>>> "groups." >>>> How does the IGC feel? >>>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>>> heard any so far.) >>>> The speech is appended below >>>> Deirdre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Oksana Prykhodko, iNGO "European Media Platform" On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Devon Blake wrote: > I endorse this speech 100 percent. > On Apr 23, 2014 12:54 PM, "Deirdre Williams" > wrote: > >> I realised that I should do this more formally. >> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >> "groups." >> How does the IGC feel? >> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >> heard any so far.) >> The speech is appended below >> Deirdre >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Iffat Gill ChunriChoupaal - Enabling Women Leaders On Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:06 AM, Devon Blake wrote: I endorse  this speech 100 percent. On Apr 23, 2014 12:54 PM, "Deirdre Williams" wrote: I realised that I should do this more formally. >There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups."  > >How does the IGC feel? >It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) >The speech is appended below >Deirdre > >-- >“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Wed Apr 23 19:37:49 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 20:37:49 -0300 Subject: [governance] 3 new diaporamas of NetMundial Message-ID: <53584ECD.408@panamo.eu> You can start each diaporama by clicking on the title that one can see by hovering the cover image. http://www.panamo.eu/ I would like to beg your pardon if you cannot find you on the photos. Two possible reasons: shooting is quite tiring in those meetings with so many personalities participating. That's a good point! And sometimes, photos can be failed. So next time, for sure! @+, Dom -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From b.schombe at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 20:55:35 2014 From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 02:55:35 +0200 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 endorsed *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* *REPRESENTANT OFFICIEL TICAFRICA ET CYBERVILLAGE at FRICA/RDC* *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECCOORDINATION NATIONALE REPRONTIC* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr 2014-04-23 19:52 GMT+02:00 Deirdre Williams : > I realised that I should do this more formally. > There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society > "groups." > How does the IGC feel? > It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. > Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't > heard any so far.) > The speech is appended below > Deirdre > > -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracey at traceynaughton.com Wed Apr 23 21:10:56 2014 From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:10:56 +1000 Subject: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address In-Reply-To: <6c60dcaed8de41719976d100209bfc9e@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> References: <0ecc01cf5f39$344f2390$9ced6ab0$@gmail.com> <6c60dcaed8de41719976d100209bfc9e@EX13-MBX-07.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <2EB72FFB-709D-4F70-99CE-0919CA4E8E23@traceynaughton.com> Great speech Nnenna. Your presence would have made it amazing. Tracey x Sent by Tracey Naughton +61 (0)413 019 707 tracey at traceynaughton.com On 24 Apr 2014, at 8:29 am, Lee W McKnight wrote: + 1000000000 endorsed by me : ) Lee From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net on behalf of michael gurstein Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:15 PM To: 'Nnenna Nwakanma'; 'Jeremy Malcolm'; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; 'Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum'; 'Governance' Subject: RE: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address Really excellent Nnenna! Congratulations to all as it is endorsed. M From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Nnenna Nwakanma Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:59 PM To: Jeremy Malcolm; ; Discussion List on African Internet Governance Forum; Governance Subject: [bestbits] Fwd: Netmundial address Dear all Here is the speech without the applause and emotions. I am surprised that it is now being termed "Nnenna speech". This was a collective effort by us all. So thanks to you you and you. N ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Nnenna Nwakanma" Date: 23 Apr 2014 15:01 Subject: Netmundial address To: "Gabe Trodd" , "Renata Avila" , "Dillon Mann" , "Carolina Rossini" , "Sonia Jorge" , "Nnenna Nwakanma" Cc: Here we go!! -- Nnenna Nwakanma | Africa Regional Coordinator Africa | Online | +22507416820 | +2348101887065 Skype: nnenna75 | Twitter: @nnenna World Wide Web Foundation | 1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA | www.webfoundation.org | Twitter: @webfoundation ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracey at traceynaughton.com Wed Apr 23 21:27:04 2014 From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:27:04 +1000 Subject: [governance] Photos of the Civil society meeting In-Reply-To: References: <53580AAA.3000300@panamo.eu> Message-ID: <4EA66027-61EA-475C-8D54-594B7AEEA779@traceynaughton.com> Thanks. Just wonderful to see people who have been involved in CS activity for a long time. I miss this world. Sent by Tracey Naughton +61 (0)413 019 707 tracey at traceynaughton.com On 24 Apr 2014, at 5:22 am, Stephanie Perrin wrote: Thanks so much, these are great photos! stephanie perrin > On Apr 23, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Dominique Lacroix
wrote: > > Dear all, > > Early in the morning, I published a first series of 50 photos of people who participated the Civil society meeting on the 22th in São Paulo. > My photo site is an experimental one. > No names. > And robots are asked to go their way out with a robots.txt file. > I'd like to demonstrate if a site can live quietly, communicating with friends freely without beeing captured by non sollicited intermediates. > > I regularly read the log files. I'll report about the behaviour of robots. > I think we could promote ethics for robots, crawlers and search engines... > > The legal regime of this site is described here: http://www.panamo.eu/usages/ > That is in English: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons#Types_of_Creative_Commons_licenses > > The diaporama of photos: > http://www.panamo.eu/1944/netmundial-civil-society-meeting-sao-paulo-22-avril-2014/ > > @+, Dom > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chaitanyabd at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 21:38:43 2014 From: chaitanyabd at gmail.com (Chaitanya Dhareshwar) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:38:43 -0700 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil Message-ID: <-594666727764419517@unknownmsgid> +1 Chaitanya Dhareshwar Mobile: +91.9820760253 ------------------------------ From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Sent: 4/24/2014 2:58 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Rishab Bailey Cc: Chantal Lebrument; Ginger Paque; Deirdre Williams; Mawaki Chango Subject: Re: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil We fully support the Speech: 1. Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro, FIJI 2. Pasifika Nexus On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Rishab Bailey wrote: > I endorse the speech/text on behalf of the Society for Knowledge Commons, > India. > > Regards > Rishab > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Chantal Lebrument wrote: > >> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >> >> Chantal Lebrument >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >> >> I agree. Tx >> >> >> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> >>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >>> "groups." >>> How does the IGC feel? >>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>> heard any so far.) >>> The speech is appended below >>> Deirdre >>> >>> -- >>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tx >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>>>>>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>>>>>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>>>>>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." >>>>>>> How does the IGC feel? >>>>>>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>>>>>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) >>>>>>> The speech is appended below >>>>>>> Deirdre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>>> >>>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I come from the Internet. I also come from ... " Sivasubramanian M On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Oksana Prykhodko wrote: > +100 Deirdre and Tipani! Oscar and Nobel simultaniously to Nnenna > > > On Wednesday, April 23, 2014, Byoung-il Oh wrote: > > really fantastic!! couldn't be better!!! > > > > 2014. 4. 23. 오후 2:57에 "norbert GLAKPE" 님이 작성: > > > > Simply fabulous! > > Congrat Nnena. > > > > Le Mercredi 23 avril 2014 19h18, Borami Kim a écrit : > > +101 !!! > > B > > 2014. 4. 23. 오후 1:44에 "Izumi AIZU" 님이 작성: > > > > +100 ! > > > > > > 2014-04-24 1:42 GMT+09:00 Rishab Bailey : > > > > +1! > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG) < > mgodwin at internews.org> wrote: > > > > I think this is a great idea! > > -- > > Mike Godwin | Senior Legal Advisor, Global Internet Policy Project > > mgodwin at internews.org | Mobile 415-793-4446 > > Skype mnemonic1026 > > Address 1640 Rhode Island Ave. NW, 7th Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA > > > > INTERNEWS | Local Voices. Global Change. > > www.internews.org | @internews | facebook.com/internews > > From: Poncelet Ileleji > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Sivasubramanian Muthusamy India +91 99524 03099 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ceo at bnnrc.net Thu Apr 24 03:56:32 2014 From: ceo at bnnrc.net (AHM Bazlur Rahman) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:56:32 +0600 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil Message-ID: We Endorsed on behalf of Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) *Bazlu* ________________________ AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR *| *Chief Executive Officer *|* Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) *[NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council]* House: 13/3, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207*|* Bangladesh*|* Phone: +88-02-9130750| 9101479 | Cell: +88 01711881647 Fax: 88-02-9138501 *|* E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net* |* bnnr cbd at gmail.com *|* www.bnnrc.net On 24 April 2014 06:20, Hindenburgo Francisco Pires wrote: > + 1 > > Enviada do meu iPad > > Em 23/04/2014, às 19:59, Izumi AIZU escreveu: > > +1000 ;-) > > izumi > > > > 2014-04-24 7:45 GMT+09:00 Sonigitu Ekpe : > >> +1 >> >> Sonigitu Ekpe >> >> Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 >> "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: >> >>> yes >>> >>> On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: >>> >>> Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Walid >>> On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >>>> >>>> Chantal Lebrument >>>> >>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>> >>>> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >>>> >>>> I agree. Tx >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>>> >>>>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>>>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>>>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil >>>>> society "groups." >>>>> How does the IGC feel? >>>>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>>>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>>>> heard any so far.) >>>>> The speech is appended below >>>>> Deirdre >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From marie.georges at noos.fr Thu Apr 24 05:31:16 2014 From: marie.georges at noos.fr (Marie GEORGES) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:31:16 +0200 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> Message-ID: + 1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:55, Jean-Christophe Nothias a écrit : > +1 > > Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a écrit : > >> +1 >> >> Sonigitu Ekpe >> >> Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 >> "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: >> yes >> >> On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: >>> Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Walid >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: >>> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >>> >>> Chantal Lebrument >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >>> >>>> I agree. Tx >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." >>>> How does the IGC feel? >>>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) >>>> The speech is appended below >>>> Deirdre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From antiropy at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 06:35:37 2014 From: antiropy at gmail.com (Byoung-il Oh) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:35:37 +0900 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 Korean Progressive Network Jinbonet Byoungil Oh 2014-04-24 18:31 GMT+09:00 Marie GEORGES : > + 1 > Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:55, Jean-Christophe Nothias a écrit : > > +1 > > Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a écrit : > > +1 > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: > >> yes >> >> On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: >> >> Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Walid >> On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: >> >>> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >>> >>> Chantal Lebrument >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >>> >>> I agree. Tx >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>> >>>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society >>>> "groups." >>>> How does the IGC feel? >>>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>>> heard any so far.) >>>> The speech is appended below >>>> Deirdre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From squ24n at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 06:45:10 2014 From: squ24n at gmail.com (Borami Kim) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:45:10 +0900 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 Net Neutrality User Forum (South Korea) Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice (South Korea) Borami Kim 2014-04-24 19:35 GMT+09:00 Byoung-il Oh : > +1 > Korean Progressive Network Jinbonet > > Byoungil Oh > > > 2014-04-24 18:31 GMT+09:00 Marie GEORGES : > > + 1 >> Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:55, Jean-Christophe Nothias a écrit : >> >> +1 >> >> Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a écrit : >> >> +1 >> >> Sonigitu Ekpe >> >> Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 >> "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: >> >>> yes >>> >>> On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: >>> >>> Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Walid >>> On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt >>>> >>>> Chantal Lebrument >>>> >>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>> >>>> Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : >>>> >>>> I agree. Tx >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>>> >>>>> I realised that I should do this more formally. >>>>> There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: >>>>> I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil >>>>> society "groups." >>>>> How does the IGC feel? >>>>> It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. >>>>> Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't >>>>> heard any so far.) >>>>> The speech is appended below >>>>> Deirdre >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 07:33:44 2014 From: amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com (Amrita) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:03:44 +0530 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <021101cf5fb1$168b45f0$43a1d1d0$@com> We(CCAOI) endorse the speech given by Nnenna. Regards Amrita From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Borami Kim Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:15 PM To: Internet Governance; Byoung-il Oh Cc: Marie GEORGES Subject: Re: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil +1 Net Neutrality User Forum (South Korea) Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice (South Korea) Borami Kim 2014-04-24 19:35 GMT+09:00 Byoung-il Oh : +1 Korean Progressive Network Jinbonet Byoungil Oh 2014-04-24 18:31 GMT+09:00 Marie GEORGES : + 1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:55, Jean-Christophe Nothias a écrit : +1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a écrit : +1 Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: yes On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! Sincerely, Walid On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt Chantal Lebrument Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : I agree. Tx On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: I realised that I should do this more formally. There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." How does the IGC feel? It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 07:37:21 2014 From: amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com (Amrita) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:07:21 +0530 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> We(CCAOI) endorse the speech given by Nnenna. Regards Amrita From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Borami Kim Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:15 PM To: Internet Governance; Byoung-il Oh Cc: Marie GEORGES Subject: Re: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil +1 Net Neutrality User Forum (South Korea) Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice (South Korea) Borami Kim 2014-04-24 19:35 GMT+09:00 Byoung-il Oh : +1 Korean Progressive Network Jinbonet Byoungil Oh 2014-04-24 18:31 GMT+09:00 Marie GEORGES : + 1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:55, Jean-Christophe Nothias a écrit : +1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a écrit : +1 Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: yes On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! Sincerely, Walid On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt Chantal Lebrument Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : I agree. Tx On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: I realised that I should do this more formally. There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." How does the IGC feel? It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Thu Apr 24 09:13:21 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:13:21 -0300 Subject: [governance] Nnenna's address in French with photos online Message-ID: <53590DF1.1030203@panamo.eu> Traduction française d'Yves Miezan Ezo. http://reseaux.blog.lemonde.fr/2014/04/24/netmundial-discours-nnenna-nkakanma/ @+, Dom -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jyoti at cis-india.org Thu Apr 24 09:13:52 2014 From: jyoti at cis-india.org (Jyoti Panday) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:43:52 +0530 Subject: [governance] NETmundial Day 1 Recap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53590E10.1070806@cis-india.org> Dear All, As Day 2 NETmundial picks up pace, here is a recap of Day 1 from Achal Prabhala who is attending NETmundial on behalf of the Centre for Internet and Society in Bangalore (www.cis-india.org). http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-day-1 Apologies for cross posting. Regards, -- Jyoti Panday Program Officer, Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 9717 526223| W: http://cis-india.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cisse.kane at bluewin.ch Thu Apr 24 09:29:28 2014 From: cisse.kane at bluewin.ch (cisse.kane at bluewin.ch) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:29:28 +0000 (GMT+00:00) Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> References: \t\t\t\t<5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net>\t\t<6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com>\t\t <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> Message-ID: <23936049.28007.1398346168030.JavaMail.webmail@bluewin.ch> Bravo Nnenna, Discours tr�s profond et bien senti !! I endorse Ciss� Kane ----Message d'origine---- De : amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com Date : 24/04/2014 - 11:37 (GMT) A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org Objet : RE: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil We(CCAOI) endorse the speech given by Nnenna. Regards Amrita From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Borami Kim Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:15 PM To: Internet Governance; Byoung-il Oh Cc: Marie GEORGES Subject: Re: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil +1 Net Neutrality User Forum (South Korea) Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice (South Korea) Borami Kim 2014-04-24 19:35 GMT+09:00 Byoung-il Oh : +1 Korean Progressive Network Jinbonet Byoungil Oh 2014-04-24 18:31 GMT+09:00 Marie GEORGES : + 1 Le 24 avr. 2014 � 00:55, Jean-Christophe Nothias a �crit : +1 Le 24 avr. 2014 � 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a �crit : +1 Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: yes On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! Sincerely, Walid On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt Chantal Lebrument Envoy� de mon iPhone Le 23 avr. 2014 � 16:12, Ginger Paque a �crit : I agree. Tx On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: I realised that I should do this more formally. There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." How does the IGC feel? It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) The speech is appended below Deirdre -- ?The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pimienta at funredes.org Thu Apr 24 09:34:30 2014 From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:34:30 -0400 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> Message-ID: Nnenna did an excellent job presenting civil society position, both in the form and in the susbstance (and I am not surprised). Yet it is hard for me to understand why we need to tautologically endorse the speech of who (brillantly) represent us. Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a posteriori to confirm representation? Is it that we try to make a public showcase of a consensus within IGF where we all know it is not existing? If it was to try to identify a subset of values and visions we do all share then, as Mike suggested, we should work on them, reflect from this speech and build upon this subset rather than making a communication show. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Thu Apr 24 09:39:13 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:39:13 -0300 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> Message-ID: <53591401.9070900@panamo.eu> +1, thanks, @+, Dom Le 24/04/14 10:34, Daniel Pimienta a écrit : > Nnenna did an excellent job presenting civil society position, both in > the form and in the susbstance (and I am not surprised). > > Yet it is hard for me to understand why we need to tautologically > endorse the speech of who (brillantly) represent us. > > Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a > posteriori to confirm representation? > Is it that we try to make a public showcase of a consensus within IGF > where we all know it is not existing? > > If it was to try to identify a subset of values and visions we do all > share then, as Mike suggested, we should work on them, > reflect from this speech and build upon this subset rather than making > a communication show. > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Thu Apr 24 09:44:56 2014 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:44:56 +0200 Subject: [governance] "representation system" (was Re: Call for consensus...) In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> Message-ID: <20140424154456.7db98dcc@quill> (changing the subject line since the topic of this posting is not directly related to the ongoing formal consensus call) Daniel Pimienta wrote: > Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a > posteriori to confirm representation? Through what "representation system" was Nnenna appointed to that role which she fulfilled so brilliantly? Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From bpotter at irf.org Thu Apr 24 10:02:45 2014 From: bpotter at irf.org (Bruce Potter at IRF) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:02:45 -0400 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> Message-ID: <2EF928A8-B8C9-4718-8F12-F3E1251B4826@irf.org> Despite Daniel's sensible statement that Nnenna's speech was just an "excellent" statement of her remit to represent civil society, I would like to offer my personal and institutional support for Deirdre's motion to endorse the speech to reinforce our shared belief that the speech is a true expression of civil society hopes and concerns for the future of the Internet. Some [good] ideas deserve to be repeated. After all, the Gettysburg Address is not just another piece of funerary rhetoric. Bruce Potter =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Daniel Pimienta wrote: > Nnenna did an excellent job presenting civil society position, both in the form and in the susbstance (and I am not surprised). > > Yet it is hard for me to understand why we need to tautologically endorse the speech of who (brillantly) represent us. > > Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a posteriori to confirm representation? > Is it that we try to make a public showcase of a consensus within IGF where we all know it is not existing? > > If it was to try to identify a subset of values and visions we do all share then, as Mike suggested, we should work on them, > reflect from this speech and build upon this subset rather than making a communication show. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t Bruce bpotter at irf.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Apr 24 10:11:50 2014 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 19:41:50 +0530 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> Message-ID: <53591BA6.80908@itforchange.net> On Thursday 24 April 2014 07:04 PM, Daniel Pimienta wrote: > Nnenna did an excellent job presenting civil society position, both in > the form and in the susbstance (and I am not surprised). > > Yet it is hard for me to understand why we need to tautologically > endorse the speech of who (brillantly) represent us. > > Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a > posteriori to confirm representation? > Is it that we try to make a public showcase of a consensus within IGF > where we all know it is not existing? > > If it was to try to identify a subset of values and visions we do all > share then, as Mike suggested, we should work on them, > reflect from this speech and build upon this subset rather than making > a communication show. Only that picking and choosing will lead us towards controversies that will perhaps be unsolvable, and the idea is to capitalise on the the massive positive reaction to Nnenna's speech not only within CS but almost universally,, parminder > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Thu Apr 24 10:17:13 2014 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:17:13 -0300 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: <2EF928A8-B8C9-4718-8F12-F3E1251B4826@irf.org> References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> <2EF928A8-B8C9-4718-8F12-F3E1251B4826@irf.org> Message-ID: <53591CE9.5070005@panamo.eu> It doesn't seems to me alternative. Repeat endorsement and then elaborate. @+, Dom Le 24/04/14 11:02, Bruce Potter at IRF a écrit : > Despite Daniel's sensible statement that Nnenna's speech was just an > "excellent" statement of her remit to represent civil society, I would > like to offer my personal and institutional support for Deirdre's > motion to endorse the speech to reinforce our shared belief that the > speech is a true expression of civil society hopes and concerns for > the future of the Internet. Some [good] ideas deserve to be repeated. > > After all, the Gettysburg Address is not just another piece of > funerary rhetoric. > > Bruce Potter > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Daniel Pimienta > wrote: > >> Nnenna did an excellent job presenting civil society position, both >> in the form and in the susbstance (and I am not surprised). >> >> Yet it is hard for me to understand why we need to tautologically >> endorse the speech of who (brillantly) represent us. >> >> Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a >> posteriori to confirm representation? >> Is it that we try to make a public showcase of a consensus within IGF >> where we all know it is not existing? >> >> If it was to try to identify a subset of values and visions we do all >> share then, as Mike suggested, we should work on them, >> reflect from this speech and build upon this subset rather than >> making a communication show. >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > *Bruce * > *bpotter at irf.org * > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hum, let's try to get immunity for Edward Snowden. Or at least hospitality. @+, Dom Le 24/04/14 11:11, parminder a écrit : > > On Thursday 24 April 2014 07:04 PM, Daniel Pimienta wrote: >> Nnenna did an excellent job presenting civil society position, both >> in the form and in the susbstance (and I am not surprised). >> >> Yet it is hard for me to understand why we need to tautologically >> endorse the speech of who (brillantly) represent us. >> >> Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a >> posteriori to confirm representation? >> Is it that we try to make a public showcase of a consensus within IGF >> where we all know it is not existing? >> >> If it was to try to identify a subset of values and visions we do all >> share then, as Mike suggested, we should work on them, >> reflect from this speech and build upon this subset rather than >> making a communication show. > > > Only that picking and choosing will lead us towards controversies that > will perhaps be unsolvable, and the idea is to capitalise on the the > massive positive reaction to Nnenna's speech not only within CS but > almost universally,, > > > > parminder >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From geetha at cis-india.org Thu Apr 24 10:31:33 2014 From: geetha at cis-india.org (Geetha Hariharan) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 20:01:33 +0530 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: ICANN globalisation and IANA stewardship transition Message-ID: <53592045.5010608@cis-india.org> Paragraphs 25-29 of the NETmundial Draft Outcome document (as it stands now), on matters of institutional improvements, calls for an open process with the participation of all stakeholders, leading to a bottom up, open and participatory nature of those policy development processes and ensure the stability and resilience of the Internet. As the debate on the principles and roadmap at NETmundial continues, the following analysis on ICANN globalisation and IANA stewardship by Smarika Kumar at India's Centre for Internet and Society may throw some light. Smarika comprehensively compiles and analyses NETmundial contributions dealing with ICANN globalisation and accountability, and maps the process for IANA stewardship transition. http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/accountability-of-icann http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-and-suggestions-for-iana-administration -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Thu Apr 24 10:48:01 2014 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:48:01 -0300 Subject: [governance] "representation system" (was Re: Call for consensus...) In-Reply-To: <20140424154456.7db98dcc@quill> References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> <20140424154456.7db98dcc@quill> Message-ID: <53592421.9000307@cafonso.ca> I personally suggested her name to the event chair. I was extremly happy that the suggestion was accepted. And I (and also president Rousseff) dropped a few tears during her stupendous speech. And I agree with old-time compa Daniel. Fire at will :) fraternal regards --c.a. On 04/24/2014 10:44 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > (changing the subject line since the topic of this posting is not > directly related to the ongoing formal consensus call) > > Daniel Pimienta wrote: > >> Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a >> posteriori to confirm representation? > > Through what "representation system" was Nnenna appointed to that role > which she fulfilled so brilliantly? > > Greetings, > Norbert > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pimienta at funredes.org Thu Apr 24 10:58:14 2014 From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:58:14 -0400 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil In-Reply-To: <53591BA6.80908@itforchange.net> References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> <53591BA6.80908@itforchange.net> Message-ID: >Only that picking and choosing will lead us towards controversies >that will perhaps be unsolvable, and the idea is to capitalise on >the the massive positive reaction to Nnenna's speech not only within >CS but almost universally,, I have nothing again the endorsment as I agree with every word but I could not resist though to highlight a paradox quite symptomatic of our context which tells as much as about the IGF as the very speech... That said, if we really want to capitalize let's draw from the speech a "(civil society) core values" document which could be used as the greatest common denominator of people joining this forum and in the future allow to the draw a clearer line between the consensual positions and the non consensual ones and hopefully would limit or better locate the contoversies. This would go beyond showcasing. Nnenna, do you feel to do it? The Web Foundation, by the way, would have the best institutional legitimacy for such initiative. As i see it it would be a document from civil society but not preventing other stakeholder groups to adhere. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <53592421.9000307@cafonso.ca> References: <5358382E.8060106@itforchange.net> <6A1C9DD6-4774-4C51-B641-14A5E84F4DF5@gmail.com> <021901cf5fb1$9e968b30$dbc3a190$@com> <20140424154456.7db98dcc@quill> <53592421.9000307@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Thank you Carlos for the right suggestion and also for the disclosure here. izumi 2014-04-24 23:48 GMT+09:00 Carlos A. Afonso : > I personally suggested her name to the event chair. I was extremly happy > that the suggestion was accepted. And I (and also president Rousseff) > dropped a few tears during her stupendous speech. > > And I agree with old-time compa Daniel. > > Fire at will :) > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > > On 04/24/2014 10:44 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> (changing the subject line since the topic of this posting is not >> directly related to the ongoing formal consensus call) >> >> Daniel Pimienta wrote: >> >> Is it that we do not trust our representation system and we need a >>> posteriori to confirm representation? >>> >> >> Through what "representation system" was Nnenna appointed to that role >> which she fulfilled so brilliantly? >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tx > > On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams > > wrote: > > I realised that I should do this more formally. > > There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: > > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from > civil society "groups." > > How does the IGC feel? > > It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. > > Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting > voices (I haven't heard any so far.) > > The speech is appended below > > Deirdre > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but > knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize > Economics, 1979 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From geetha at cis-india.org Thu Apr 24 12:29:09 2014 From: geetha at cis-india.org (Geetha Hariharan) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 21:59:09 +0530 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: Some useful visualisations Message-ID: <53593BD5.7030709@cis-india.org> Some interesting visualisations from Centre for Internet and Society about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations have been done by Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data gatherered from the contributions. Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and 'multi-stakeholderism' across all NETmundial contributions: http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of origin: http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-countries-of-origin What organisations have submitted contributions to NETmundial? http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-types-of-organisation Some word-counts: http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 12:37:45 2014 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:37:45 -0500 Subject: [governance] [Webinar] Outcomes of NETmundial - tomorrow (Friday) 11am UTC Message-ID: *(Apologies for cross-posting but you may find this helpful)* In case the announcement has not reached you: Diplo is hosting a special webinar tomorrow (Friday) at 11am UTC, on the *outcomes of NETmundial*. Diplo's Vladimir Radunovic will conduct the webinar, live from Brazil. Direct link to register: http://www.diplomacy.edu/registrations/webinar-outcomes-netmundial Is this email not displaying correctly? View this email in your browser *April Internet governance webinar* Outcomes of NETmundial Dear friends, All eyes are set on the NETmundial meeting, which takes place this week in São Paolo, Brazil. The meeting is expected to agree on a set of common principles and values, and a roadmap for the future evolution of IG. Join us for our next IG webinar, on *Friday 25th April at 11:00 GMT/UTC*, with Diplo's IG expert *Vladimir Radunovic*, live from Brazil. We will discuss *the outcomes of the NETmundial meeting*: - Which principles does the final document incorporate, and what elements are included in the IG roadmap? - What has been the atmosphere at NETmundial, including the level of participation of various stakeholders? - What’s in store after NETmundial? To participate, please fill in the registration form. Attendance is free; registration is required. The link to join the webinar will be e-mailed on the day, shortly before the start of the webinar. Participants will be able to discuss the topic with the presenter and other participants present for the webinar. *Further reading:* Watch out for the wording: a NETmundial vocabulary- 22 April 2014 Predicting NETmundial: What does data-mining the contributions tell us?- 18 April 2014 Looking forward to e-seeing you! Diplo's IG webinars team Like us on FaceBook Follow us on Twitter Our website Our network *Copyright © 2014 DiploFoundation, All rights reserved.* You are receiving this email because you expressed an interest in DiploFoundation's webinars. ------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I participated remotely all day yesterday and so far today, and observed several interventions from Cuba and the Dominican Republic (I'm from the Caribbean) which are clearly marked (and labelled) on your map as not contributing. My own particular small island is too small to show on the map although it is a sovereign country, as is Trinidad and Tobago which also isn't there. There were contributions both to the draft document and to the meeting from both small island states. Aggregated information like this needs to be handled rather carefully, and small countries are important too. I have limited my comments to my own casual knowledge of my own region - the Caribbean. Deirdre On 24 April 2014 12:29, Geetha Hariharan wrote: > Some interesting visualisations from Centre for Internet and Society > about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations have been done by > Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data gatherered from the > contributions. > > Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and 'multi-stakeholderism' across > all NETmundial contributions: > http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html > > Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > > Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > > NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of origin: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-countries-of-origin > > What organisations have submitted contributions to NETmundial? > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > > Some word-counts: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would also like to express my appreciation of the way in which a comment that was originally a criticism has been "re-engineered" as a way forward. This could be a helpful model - criticise but also try to suggest a useful outcome. Deirdre On 24 April 2014 10:58, Daniel Pimienta wrote: > Only that picking and choosing will lead us towards controversies that > will perhaps be unsolvable, and the idea is to capitalise on the the > massive positive reaction to Nnenna's speech not only within CS but almost > universally,, > > > I have nothing again the endorsment as I agree with every word but I could > not resist though to highlight a paradox quite symptomatic of our context > which tells as much as about the IGF as the very speech... > > That said, if we really want to capitalize let's draw from the speech a > "(civil society) core values" document which could be used as the *greatest > common denominato*r of people joining this forum and in the future allow > to the draw a clearer line between the consensual positions and the non > consensual ones and hopefully would limit or better locate the > contoversies. This would go beyond showcasing. > > Nnenna, do you feel to do it? The Web Foundation, by the way, would have > the best institutional legitimacy for such initiative. > > As i see it it would be a document from civil society but not preventing > other stakeholder groups to adhere. > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From geetha at cis-india.org Thu Apr 24 13:33:57 2014 From: geetha at cis-india.org (Geetha Hariharan) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:03:57 +0530 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: Some useful visualisations In-Reply-To: References: <53593BD5.7030709@cis-india.org> Message-ID: <53594B05.8050201@cis-india.org> Dear Dierdre, Where, in the email, I say "Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial" or "Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial", the analysis is based on the 187 contributions (documents) made to NETmundial. It does not extend to persons or oraganisations currently participating (corporeally or remotely) at these two days of NETmundial. Apologies for the confusion that my language has caused. I hope this clarifies things. Best, Geetha. On Thu Apr 24 22:25:11 2014, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Dear Geetha, > Thank you for the information, but on (as you might say) a point of order - > please clarify what is meant by "contributed to NETmundial". I participated > remotely all day yesterday and so far today, and observed several > interventions from Cuba and the Dominican Republic (I'm from the Caribbean) > which are clearly marked (and labelled) on your map as not contributing. My > own particular small island is too small to show on the map although it is > a sovereign country, as is Trinidad and Tobago which also isn't there. > There were contributions both to the draft document and to the meeting from > both small island states. > > Aggregated information like this needs to be handled rather carefully, and > small countries are important too. I have limited my comments to my own > casual knowledge of my own region - the Caribbean. > > Deirdre > > > On 24 April 2014 12:29, Geetha Hariharan wrote: > >> Some interesting visualisations from Centre for Internet and Society >> about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations have been done by >> Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data gatherered from the >> contributions. >> >> Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and 'multi-stakeholderism' across >> all NETmundial contributions: >> http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html >> >> Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: >> >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial >> >> Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: >> >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial >> >> NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of origin: >> >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-countries-of-origin >> >> What organisations have submitted contributions to NETmundial? >> >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-types-of-organisation >> >> Some word-counts: >> >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words >> >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 13:42:27 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:42:27 -0400 Subject: [governance] Remote participation Message-ID: I have no idea how many IGC members participated remotely in Sao Paolo, although I have "bumped into" several of you yesterday and today. I do know that we were able to participate, it was made possible for us. I would like to thank the whole team that made this possible, and particularly I would like to thank Marilia Maciel who was our link on this occasion and who has worked tirelessly for years to improve remote participation for all of us. She also works with a team for this and other meetings. I hope they will allow me to acknowledge our gratitude to all of them through her. Thank you Marilia :-) Deirdre -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979I want to be sure to -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then I proposed a set of 3 issues per thread and the over arching issue of trust. To me, I dont see that I have done anything new. The best I can do is to listen and pick out what I hear as consensus. And stand by it On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > I think that's an excellent suggestion. > I would also like to express my appreciation of the way in which a comment > that was originally a criticism has been "re-engineered" as a way forward. > This could be a helpful model - criticise but also try to suggest a useful > outcome. > Deirdre > > > On 24 April 2014 10:58, Daniel Pimienta wrote: > >> Only that picking and choosing will lead us towards controversies that >> will perhaps be unsolvable, and the idea is to capitalise on the the >> massive positive reaction to Nnenna's speech not only within CS but almost >> universally,, >> >> >> I have nothing again the endorsment as I agree with every word but I >> could not resist though to highlight a paradox quite symptomatic of our >> context which tells as much as about the IGF as the very speech... >> >> That said, if we really want to capitalize let's draw from the speech a >> "(civil society) core values" document which could be used as the *greatest >> common denominato*r of people joining this forum and in the future allow >> to the draw a clearer line between the consensual positions and the non >> consensual ones and hopefully would limit or better locate the >> contoversies. This would go beyond showcasing. >> >> Nnenna, do you feel to do it? The Web Foundation, by the way, would have >> the best institutional legitimacy for such initiative. >> >> As i see it it would be a document from civil society but not preventing >> other stakeholder groups to adhere. >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and >> is >> believed to be clean. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The NETmundial outcome document has already attracted some controversy, and the point is emphasised that it is still, even now, being worked on. Thanks for your reply and congratulations for the hard work. Deirdre On 24 April 2014 13:33, Geetha Hariharan wrote: > Dear Dierdre, > > Where, in the email, I say "Which countries have not contributed to > NETmundial" or "Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial", > the analysis is based on the 187 contributions (documents) made to > NETmundial. It does not extend to persons or oraganisations currently > participating (corporeally or remotely) at these two days of > NETmundial. Apologies for the confusion that my language has caused. I > hope this clarifies things. > > Best, > Geetha. > > On Thu Apr 24 22:25:11 2014, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > Dear Geetha, > > Thank you for the information, but on (as you might say) a point of > order - > > please clarify what is meant by "contributed to NETmundial". I > participated > > remotely all day yesterday and so far today, and observed several > > interventions from Cuba and the Dominican Republic (I'm from the > Caribbean) > > which are clearly marked (and labelled) on your map as not contributing. > My > > own particular small island is too small to show on the map although it > is > > a sovereign country, as is Trinidad and Tobago which also isn't there. > > There were contributions both to the draft document and to the meeting > from > > both small island states. > > > > Aggregated information like this needs to be handled rather carefully, > and > > small countries are important too. I have limited my comments to my own > > casual knowledge of my own region - the Caribbean. > > > > Deirdre > > > > > > On 24 April 2014 12:29, Geetha Hariharan wrote: > > > >> Some interesting visualisations from Centre for Internet and Society > >> about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations have been done by > >> Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data gatherered from the > >> contributions. > >> > >> Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and 'multi-stakeholderism' across > >> all NETmundial contributions: > >> http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html > >> > >> Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: > >> > >> > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > >> > >> Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: > >> > >> > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > >> > >> NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of origin: > >> > >> > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-countries-of-origin > >> > >> What organisations have submitted contributions to NETmundial? > >> > >> > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > >> > >> Some word-counts: > >> > >> > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words > >> > >> > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > > > > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stephanie On Apr 24, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > I have no idea how many IGC members participated remotely in Sao Paolo, although I have "bumped into" several of you yesterday and today. I do know that we were able to participate, it was made possible for us. I would like to thank the whole team that made this possible, and particularly I would like to thank Marilia Maciel who was our link on this occasion and who has worked tirelessly for years to improve remote participation for all of us. She also works with a team for this and other meetings. I hope they will allow me to acknowledge our gratitude to all of them through her. > Thank you Marilia :-) > Deirdre > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979I want to be sure to > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pranesh at cis-india.org Thu Apr 24 15:55:01 2014 From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:55:01 -0400 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: Some useful visualisations In-Reply-To: <53596525.8030308@ajantriks.net> References: <53593BD5.7030709@cis-india.org> <53596525.8030308@ajantriks.net> Message-ID: <53596C15.4050104@cis-india.org> Dear Deirdre, I'm sorry we weren't clearer. We should have clarified that we weren't looking at all "contributions", but specifically at the 187 formal submissions made in the beginning of April and archived here: http://content.netmundial.br/docs/contribs Regards, Pranesh sumandro [2014-04-25 00:55:25 +0530]: > Dear Deirdre, > > My name is Sumandro. I was working with Jyoti and Geetha on these > visualisations, and I created this map we are discussing. > > Firstly, I am very sorry that the map has not been labelled clearly. As > the text below the map mentions,"[t]he map shows (in *green*) all the > countries from where no contributions (by any kinds of organisation) > have been submitted to NETmundial. Countries appearing in *white* are > those from where contributions have been submitted." > > The map is meant not at all as a criticism of the countries in green for > not 'contributing' to NETmundial, but to point out the limitation of > NETmundial as a global event since it has failed to attract written > submissions towards setting up its agenda from the countries shown in green. > > I have just renamed the map to "Which Countries have Not Submitted > Contributions to NETmundial". This is a more clearer name I think. > > I also agree with your point about the bias that maps create against > countries of smaller geographic sizes. Trinidad and Tobago is listed in > this map as one of those countries that has submitted contributions to > NETmundial. It unfortunately does not show up on the map due to the > problem you have pointed out. > > For the same reason we used a non-map based chart to show the > contributions from different regions and countries: > > > Once again, I am sorry for the undesired meaning that the maps carried. > The point of this map (and the one for the governments that did not > submit a contribution) is again to indicate at the structural forces > that shape ability of actors and countries to access Internet, and also > to take part in discussing how it should be governed. > > Regards, > > sumandro > > ---------------------------------------------- > > sumandro chattapadhyay > > research associate > the sarai programme > centre for the study of developing societies > > > > > > On 04/24/2014 10:25 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> Dear Geetha, >> Thank you for the information, but on (as you might say) a point of >> order - please clarify what is meant by "contributed to NETmundial". I >> participated remotely all day yesterday and so far today, and observed >> several interventions from Cuba and the Dominican Republic (I'm from the >> Caribbean) which are clearly marked (and labelled) on your map as not >> contributing. My own particular small island is too small to show on the >> map although it is a sovereign country, as is Trinidad and Tobago which >> also isn't there. There were contributions both to the draft document >> and to the meeting from both small island states. >> >> Aggregated information like this needs to be handled rather carefully, >> and small countries are important too. I have limited my comments to my >> own casual knowledge of my own region - the Caribbean. >> >> Deirdre >> >> >> On 24 April 2014 12:29, Geetha Hariharan > > wrote: >> >> Some interesting visualisations from Centre for Internet and Society >> about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations have been done by >> Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data gatherered from the >> contributions. >> >> Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and 'multi-stakeholderism' across >> all NETmundial contributions: >> http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html >> >> Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial >> >> Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial >> >> NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of origin: >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-countries-of-origin >> >> What organisations have submitted contributions to NETmundial? >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-types-of-organisation >> >> Some word-counts: >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words >> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org ------------------- Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School M: +1 520 314 7147 | W: http://yaleisp.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:34:53 -0400 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: Some useful visualisations In-Reply-To: <53596C15.4050104@cis-india.org> References: <53593BD5.7030709@cis-india.org> <53596525.8030308@ajantriks.net> <53596C15.4050104@cis-india.org> Message-ID: Hello: Trinidad and Tobago contributed as a country (and as a Government) ------ Rgds, Tracy On Apr 24, 2014 3:55 PM, "Pranesh Prakash" wrote: > Dear Deirdre, > I'm sorry we weren't clearer. We should have clarified that we weren't > looking at all "contributions", but specifically at the 187 formal > submissions made in the beginning of April and archived here: > http://content.netmundial.br/docs/contribs > > Regards, > Pranesh > > sumandro [2014-04-25 00:55:25 +0530]: > >> Dear Deirdre, >> >> My name is Sumandro. I was working with Jyoti and Geetha on these >> visualisations, and I created this map we are discussing. >> >> Firstly, I am very sorry that the map has not been labelled clearly. As >> the text below the map mentions,"[t]he map shows (in *green*) all the >> countries from where no contributions (by any kinds of organisation) >> have been submitted to NETmundial. Countries appearing in *white* are >> those from where contributions have been submitted." >> >> The map is meant not at all as a criticism of the countries in green for >> not 'contributing' to NETmundial, but to point out the limitation of >> NETmundial as a global event since it has failed to attract written >> submissions towards setting up its agenda from the countries shown in >> green. >> >> I have just renamed the map to "Which Countries have Not Submitted >> Contributions to NETmundial". This is a more clearer name I think. >> >> I also agree with your point about the bias that maps create against >> countries of smaller geographic sizes. Trinidad and Tobago is listed in >> this map as one of those countries that has submitted contributions to >> NETmundial. It unfortunately does not show up on the map due to the >> problem you have pointed out. >> >> For the same reason we used a non-map based chart to show the >> contributions from different regions and countries: >> >> >> Once again, I am sorry for the undesired meaning that the maps carried. >> The point of this map (and the one for the governments that did not >> submit a contribution) is again to indicate at the structural forces >> that shape ability of actors and countries to access Internet, and also >> to take part in discussing how it should be governed. >> >> Regards, >> >> sumandro >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> sumandro chattapadhyay >> >> research associate >> the sarai programme >> centre for the study of developing societies >> >> >> >> >> >> On 04/24/2014 10:25 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> >>> Dear Geetha, >>> Thank you for the information, but on (as you might say) a point of >>> order - please clarify what is meant by "contributed to NETmundial". I >>> participated remotely all day yesterday and so far today, and observed >>> several interventions from Cuba and the Dominican Republic (I'm from the >>> Caribbean) which are clearly marked (and labelled) on your map as not >>> contributing. My own particular small island is too small to show on the >>> map although it is a sovereign country, as is Trinidad and Tobago which >>> also isn't there. There were contributions both to the draft document >>> and to the meeting from both small island states. >>> >>> Aggregated information like this needs to be handled rather carefully, >>> and small countries are important too. I have limited my comments to my >>> own casual knowledge of my own region - the Caribbean. >>> >>> Deirdre >>> >>> >>> On 24 April 2014 12:29, Geetha Hariharan >> > wrote: >>> >>> Some interesting visualisations from Centre for Internet and Society >>> about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations have been >>> done by >>> Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data gatherered from >>> the >>> contributions. >>> >>> Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and 'multi-stakeholderism' >>> across >>> all NETmundial contributions: >>> http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html >>> >>> Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: >>> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial- >>> which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial >>> >>> Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: >>> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial- >>> which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial >>> >>> NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of origin: >>> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial- >>> contributions-by-countries-of-origin >>> >>> What organisations have submitted contributions to NETmundial? >>> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial- >>> contributions-by-types-of-organisation >>> >>> Some word-counts: >>> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial- >>> comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words >>> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial- >>> word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >> >> > -- > Pranesh Prakash > Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society > T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org > ------------------- > Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School > M: +1 520 314 7147 | W: http://yaleisp.org > PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some word-counts: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > And the only contribution from Colombia was from private sector. Regards, -- *Javier Irenarco Pinzón P.Colombiajavier at lafundacionazul.org http://irenar.co * 2014-04-24 11:29 GMT-05:00 Geetha Hariharan : > Some interesting visualisations from Centre for Internet and Society > about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations have been done by > Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data gatherered from the > contributions. > > Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and 'multi-stakeholderism' across > all NETmundial contributions: > http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html > > Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > > Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > > NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of origin: > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-countries-of-origin > > What organisations have submitted contributions to NETmundial? > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Amrita *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [ mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Borami Kim *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:15 PM *To:* Internet Governance; Byoung-il Oh *Cc:* Marie GEORGES *Subject:* Re: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil +1 Net Neutrality User Forum (South Korea) Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice (South Korea) Borami Kim 2014-04-24 19:35 GMT+09:00 Byoung-il Oh : +1 Korean Progressive Network Jinbonet Byoungil Oh 2014-04-24 18:31 GMT+09:00 Marie GEORGES : + 1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:55, Jean-Christophe Nothias a écrit : +1 Le 24 avr. 2014 à 00:45, Sonigitu Ekpe a écrit : +1 Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 <%2B234%20805%200232%20469> Office + 234 802 751 0179 <%2B%20234%20802%20751%200179> "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, parminder wrote: yes On Thursday 24 April 2014 03:24 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: Endorsed on behalf of ISOC-Yemen! Sincerely, Walid On Apr 23, 2014 11:18 PM, "Chantal Lebrument" wrote: On behalf EUROLINC I endorse Nnenna txt Chantal Lebrument Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 23 avr. 2014 à 16:12, Ginger Paque a écrit : I agree. Tx On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams wrote: I realised that I should do this more formally. There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society "groups." How does the IGC feel? It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't heard any so far.) The speech is appended below Deirdre -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tx > > > > On 23 April 2014 12:52, Deirdre Williams > wrote: > > I realised that I should do this more formally. > > There is a proposal from Gene Kimmelman: > > I'd like us to put this out as a consensus statement from civil society > "groups." > > How does the IGC feel? > > It is 18.00 GMT. 48 hours will take us to 18.00 on Friday. > > Please indicate your choice, particularly dissenting voices (I haven't > heard any so far.) > > The speech is appended below > > Deirdre > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, 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Read his recap of NETmundial Day 2 here: http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-day-2 Sincerely, -- Jyoti Panday Program Officer, Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 9717 526223| W: http://cis-india.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 08:42:34 2014 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:42:34 -0400 Subject: [governance] NETmundial: Some useful visualisations In-Reply-To: <535A06AF.7090101@ajantriks.net> References: <53593BD5.7030709@cis-india.org> <53596525.8030308@ajantriks.net> <53596C15.4050104@cis-india.org> <535A06AF.7090101@ajantriks.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification Sumandro. ------ Rgds, Tracy On Apr 25, 2014 2:54 AM, "sumandro" wrote: > Dear Tracy, > > My name is Sumandro. I was working with Jyoti and Geetha on these > visualisations, and I created the maps we are discussing. > > Trinidad and Tobago is mentioned both as a country that has submitted a > contribution to NETmundial and a country whose government has submitted > contribution to the same. > > I am very sorry that the limitation of the projection and the size of > the map leads to Trinidad and Tobago not showing up at all. > > Just to check you can go to the page > ( and > ) and > view the source of the page. In the source, look for the variable 'data' > and you will see that TTO is listed as one of the countries (and > governments) that submitted contribution. > > Bests, > > sumandro > > ---------------------------------------------- > > sumandro chattapadhyay > > research associate > the sarai programme > centre for the study of developing societies > > > > > > On 04/25/2014 03:04 AM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote: > > Hello: > > > > Trinidad and Tobago contributed as a country (and as a Government) > > > > ------ > > Rgds, > > > > Tracy > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014 3:55 PM, "Pranesh Prakash" > > wrote: > > > > Dear Deirdre, > > I'm sorry we weren't clearer. We should have clarified that we > > weren't looking at all "contributions", but specifically at the 187 > > formal submissions made in the beginning of April and archived here: > > http://content.netmundial.br/__docs/contribs > > > > > > Regards, > > Pranesh > > > > sumandro > > > [2014-04-25 00:55:25 +0530]: > > > > Dear Deirdre, > > > > My name is Sumandro. I was working with Jyoti and Geetha on these > > visualisations, and I created this map we are discussing. > > > > Firstly, I am very sorry that the map has not been labelled > > clearly. As > > the text below the map mentions,"[t]he map shows (in *green*) > > all the > > countries from where no contributions (by any kinds of > organisation) > > have been submitted to NETmundial. Countries appearing in > > *white* are > > those from where contributions have been submitted." > > > > The map is meant not at all as a criticism of the countries in > > green for > > not 'contributing' to NETmundial, but to point out the > limitation of > > NETmundial as a global event since it has failed to attract > written > > submissions towards setting up its agenda from the countries > > shown in green. > > > > I have just renamed the map to "Which Countries have Not > Submitted > > Contributions to NETmundial". This is a more clearer name I > think. > > > > I also agree with your point about the bias that maps create > against > > countries of smaller geographic sizes. Trinidad and Tobago is > > listed in > > this map as one of those countries that has submitted > > contributions to > > NETmundial. It unfortunately does not show up on the map due to > the > > problem you have pointed out. > > > > For the same reason we used a non-map based chart to show the > > contributions from different regions and countries: > > < > http://ajantriks.github.io/__netmundial/contributions___countries.html > > < > http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/contributions_countries.html>> > > > > Once again, I am sorry for the undesired meaning that the maps > > carried. > > The point of this map (and the one for the governments that did > not > > submit a contribution) is again to indicate at the structural > forces > > that shape ability of actors and countries to access Internet, > > and also > > to take part in discussing how it should be governed. > > > > Regards, > > > > sumandro > > > > ------------------------------__---------------- > > > > sumandro chattapadhyay > > > > research associate > > the sarai programme > > centre for the study of developing societies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/24/2014 10:25 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > > > Dear Geetha, > > Thank you for the information, but on (as you might say) a > > point of > > order - please clarify what is meant by "contributed to > > NETmundial". I > > participated remotely all day yesterday and so far today, > > and observed > > several interventions from Cuba and the Dominican Republic > > (I'm from the > > Caribbean) which are clearly marked (and labelled) on your > > map as not > > contributing. My own particular small island is too small to > > show on the > > map although it is a sovereign country, as is Trinidad and > > Tobago which > > also isn't there. There were contributions both to the draft > > document > > and to the meeting from both small island states. > > > > Aggregated information like this needs to be handled rather > > carefully, > > and small countries are important too. I have limited my > > comments to my > > own casual knowledge of my own region - the Caribbean. > > > > Deirdre > > > > > > On 24 April 2014 12:29, Geetha Hariharan > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > Some interesting visualisations from Centre for > > Internet and Society > > about the NETmundial contributions. The visualisations > > have been done by > > Sumandro Chattapadhyay based on quantitative data > > gatherered from the > > contributions. > > > > Tracking word use: 'multi-stakeholder' and > > 'multi-stakeholderism' across > > all NETmundial contributions: > > > > > http://ajantriks.github.io/__netmundial/track___multistakeholder.html > > < > http://ajantriks.github.io/netmundial/track_multistakeholder.html> > > > > Which countries have not contributed to NETmundial: > > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-__governance/blog/net-mundial-__which-countries-have-not-__contributed-to-net-mundial > > < > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-countries-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > > > > > > Which governments have not contributed to NETmundial: > > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-__governance/blog/net-mundial-__which-governments-have-not-__contributed-to-net-mundial > > < > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-which-governments-have-not-contributed-to-net-mundial > > > > > > NETmundial contributions, visualised by countries of > > origin: > > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-__governance/blog/net-mundial-__contributions-by-countries-of-__origin > > < > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-countries-of-origin > > > > > > What organisations have submitted contributions to > > NETmundial? > > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-__governance/blog/net-mundial-__contributions-by-types-of-__organisation > > < > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > > > > > > Some word-counts: > > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-__governance/blog/net-mundial-__comparing-appearance-of-fifty-__most-frequent-words > > < > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words > > > > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-__governance/blog/net-mundial-__word-clouds-of-contributions-__by-types-of-organisation > > < > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-word-clouds-of-contributions-by-types-of-organisation > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/__unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/__info/governance > > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: > > http://translate.google.com/__translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but > > knowledge" Sir > > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > > > > > > > -- > > Pranesh Prakash > > Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society > > T: +91 80 40926283 | W: > http://cis-india.org > > ------------------- > > Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law > School > > M: +1 520 314 7147 | W: > http://yaleisp.org > > PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: https://twitter.com/pranesh___prakash > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. 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Civil society is not the only stakeholder group who was frustrated at how the last drafting took place, and I think there is room for some really constructive work on how to make sure the process in these situations (because this is only .1 as you say) is more under control. People caved when perhaps they did not really have to, and the situation was so completely out of time that we could not get effective input. There is a tremendous spirit of goodwill right now, it is a good time to plan for how to capitalize on that goodwill and make sure the rock does not roll downhill again before the next event (London, IGF). Personally, I want to thank everyone for their coaching and support. I think we did well, even if the document is not what we want, but the overall impression of civil society I am hearing as I cruise the Hyatt this morning, is wow, civil society has its act together. Congratulations everyone! Stephanie Perrin On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. > > As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. > > As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > > But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > > Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. > > Ian Peter > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We did not get what we wanted on key issues of concern - and that was disappointing - but this is just the start. I believe that the NETmundial document gives us a new "platform" on which to progress IG. Lets digest the document and identify how we use it to advance our causes and leverage it in other fora going forward. Well done to all and especially our Brazilian colleagues and all the civil society folks on the committees, etc. Its been a pleasure. Matthew On 4/25/2014 9:17 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long > flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, > and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked > incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It > was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable > people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between > people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other > perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant > speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. > As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting > – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So > like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes > that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about > that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some > lessons for us, and is worth repeating. > As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there > were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very > angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal > processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed > through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an > example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As > one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, > from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say > more about the detail of that. > But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be > involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian > reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a > fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They > worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I > start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I > must say job extremely well done. > Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. 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Thank you to the organisers for the chance to "be there" - although we were disappointed that we were unable to observe the actual drafting sessions in the same way as the physical participants could. Let us hope that the enthusiasm and energy in the discussion continues. Safe trip home all you travellers Deirdre On 25 April 2014 09:17, Ian Peter wrote: > The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long > flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and > the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well > together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with > a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume > of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, > with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand > down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team > work. > > As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – > and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like > all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that > should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that > after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for > us, and is worth repeating. > > As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were > areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at > last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of > drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those > committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some > governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, > more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches > the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > > But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be > involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, > and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad > it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our > behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, > but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > > Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work > everyone, really worthwhile event. > > Ian Peter > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Always preferring the maximization of individual choice to “mobilizing” the masses, I used NETMundial to underline the consequences of the Community Informatics Declaration phrase – the global is a federation of locals. But, speaking to whether civil society has its act together, before social justice, isn’t Community Informatics about understanding a particular aspect of social change - the changed nature of community in digital society? The primary consequence I see is that the structures of governance that result from that redefinition still aren’t being taken into account (or where they are being taken into account, are being reactively opposed). Community, Internet, Internet Governance, and federations of locals are instances of complex adaptive systems. In effect, my working hypothesis remains that the changing nature of community is in the process of replacing the existing normative social order, the social order that contains the normative structure called civil society. The use of the words “ecosystem” and “distributed” in all IG forums, and the redefinition of “global” by CI, would seem to be evidence of some slight recognition of this. However, I note that the word “community” was number 45 on a graph comparing the appearance of the fifty most frequent words used in contributions to NETmundial. < http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/net-mundial-comparing-appearance-of-fifty-most-frequent-words> At least it’s still on the list! Let us remember that the meek WILL inherit the Earth and are much less likely to screw it up. GG -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri Apr 25 13:30:59 2014 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 03:30:59 +1000 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> Message-ID: <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. From: Ian Peter Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Fri Apr 25 14:38:12 2014 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 03:38:12 +0900 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> Message-ID: First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the online tool, I mean online Notepad. In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. Just a suggestion. izumi 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : > and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a > really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not > have worked together so well at the main event. > > *From:* Ian Peter > *Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > *Subject:* [governance] netmundial 0.1 > > The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long > flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and > the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well > together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with > a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume > of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, > with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand > down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team > work. > > As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – > and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like > all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that > should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that > after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for > us, and is worth repeating. > > As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were > areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at > last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of > drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those > committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some > governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, > more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches > the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > > But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be > involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, > and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad > it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our > behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, > but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > > Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work > everyone, really worthwhile event. > > Ian Peter > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Among others, it has the background story leading to Marco Civil in Brazil, situation in Germany, and most if not all of these essays are very well written so much that I could read through without falling asleep during my loooong flight Tokyo to New York after midnight, trust me ;-). izumi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Carolina Rossini Date: 2014-04-20 6:29 GMT+09:00 Subject: [bestbits] Just out: Collection of Essays on NetMundial To: " bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>" < bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Fabro Steibel* Date: Saturday, April 19, 2014 Subject: ((Brazil-Germany)) Just out: Collection of Essays on NetMundial To: Ronaldo Lemos Dear Participants of the Internet Governance Seminar and NETmundial, Please find attached the collection of essays "Stakes are High: Brazil and the future of the Global Internet". It has been organized in preparation to NetMundial, and includes essays by some of our conference participants, such as Wolfgang Schulz, Markus Kummer, Markus Beckedhal, Juliana Nolasco and Ronaldo Lemos. This was produced as a part of the Internet Policy Observatory, a program at the Center for Global Communication Studies, the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania. It was edited and curated by a steering committee including Ellery Roberts Biddle of Global Voices, Ronaldo Lemos of the Rio Institute for Technology & Society, and Monroe Price of the Annenberg School for Communication. They were assisted by Alexandra Esenler, Laura Schwartz-Henderson, and Briar Smith. We believe these essays capture part of the state of play before NetMundial and should be useful to frame the discussions we will have in the next few days. Best regards, Ronaldo Lemos Director of the Rio Institute for Technology & Society -- *Carolina Rossini* *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center* Open Technology Institute *New America Foundation* // http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini at gmail.com* skype: carolrossini @carolinarossini ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. 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The dissenting voices disagreed with the need for the consensus call, but supported the speech. Nnenna herself makes no claim to the content of the speech - these are her words from a message in the thread: "I have avoided taking any particular credit about the speech, because I only listened to all those who had a say and summarized their issues. Then I proposed a set of 3 issues per thread and the over arching issue of trust. To me, I dont see that I have done anything new. The best I can do is to listen and pick out what I hear as consensus. And stand by it." I hope she will forgive me if I say that while the content may be "ours" the delivery was all hers. So Gene, the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, after due process, offers its endorsement to "Nnenna's Speech", And let's follow Daniel's suggestion and "draw from the speech a "(civil society) core values" document which could be used as the *greatest common denominato*r of people joining this forum ...". Best wishes to all Deirdre (on behalf of the Co-Coordinators, IGC) -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 23:36:27 2014 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 15:36:27 +1200 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would also suggest putting the video and the speech content/trasncripts on the IGC website, alongwith relevant and related Net Mundial documents and outcomes. On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > It gives me great pleasure to announce on behalf of the co- coordinators > that those who voted gave their support 100% (or if you add up the > suggested numbers a great deal more than that) to endorse the speech made > by Nnenna Nwakanma at the opening ceremony of NETmundial in Brazil. The > dissenting voices disagreed with the need for the consensus call, but > supported the speech. > > Nnenna herself makes no claim to the content of the speech - these are her > words from a message in the thread: > > "I have avoided taking any particular credit about the speech, because I > only listened to all those who had a say and summarized their issues. Then > I proposed a set of 3 issues per thread and the over arching issue of > trust. > > To me, I dont see that I have done anything new. > > The best I can do is to listen and pick out what I hear as consensus. And > stand by it." > > I hope she will forgive me if I say that while the content may be "ours" > the delivery was all hers. > > So Gene, the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, after due process, > offers its endorsement to "Nnenna's Speech", And let's follow Daniel's > suggestion and "draw from the speech a "(civil society) core values" > document which could be used as the *greatest common denominato*r of > people joining this forum ...". > > Best wishes to all > > Deirdre > (on behalf of the Co-Coordinators, IGC) > > -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From genekimmelman at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 06:52:06 2014 From: genekimmelman at gmail.com (genekimmelman at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 06:52:06 -0400 Subject: [governance] RE: Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil Result Message-ID: Wonderful!  Thanks so much -------- Original message -------- From: Deirdre Williams Date: 04/25/2014 11:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Internet Governance ,Gene Kimmelman ,Nnenna Nwakanma ,Daniel Pimienta ,Mawaki Chango Subject: Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil Result It gives me great pleasure to announce on behalf of the co- coordinators that those who voted gave their support 100% (or if you add up the suggested numbers a great deal more than that) to endorse the speech made by Nnenna Nwakanma at the opening ceremony of NETmundial in Brazil. The dissenting voices disagreed with the need for the consensus call, but supported the speech. Nnenna herself makes no claim to the content of the speech - these are her words from a message in the thread: "I have avoided taking any particular credit about the speech, because I only listened to all those who had a say and summarized their issues. Then I proposed a  set of 3 issues per thread and the over arching issue of trust. To me, I dont see that I have done anything new.   The best I can do is to listen and pick out what I hear as consensus. And stand by it." I hope she will forgive me if I say that while the content may be "ours" the delivery was all hers. So Gene, the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, after due process, offers its endorsement to "Nnenna's Speech", And let's follow Daniel's suggestion and "draw from the speech a "(civil society) core values" document which could be used as the greatest common denominator of people joining this forum ...". 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca Sat Apr 26 11:33:32 2014 From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 11:33:32 -0400 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> Message-ID: <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… Stephanie Perrin Cheers stephanie On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. > > I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. > > My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? > (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). > > I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the > online tool, I mean online Notepad. > > In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, > it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing > the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. > > It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same > venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. > > Just a suggestion. > > izumi > > > > > > 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : > and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. > > From: Ian Peter > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 > > The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. > > As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. > > As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > > But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > > Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. > > Ian Peter > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sat Apr 26 13:30:46 2014 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:30:46 +0900 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. Adam On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… > Stephanie Perrin > Cheers stephanie > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >> >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >> >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >> >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >> >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >> >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >> >> Just a suggestion. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >> >> From: Ian Peter >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >> >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >> >> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >> >> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >> >> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >> >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> * * * * * >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >> www.anr.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 15:16:08 2014 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 15:16:08 -0400 Subject: [governance] Turkey and surveillance Message-ID: Just found this on the BBC. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27172043 Deirdre -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Sat Apr 26 11:01:59 2014 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:01:59 +0200 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <535BCA67.8070308@wzb.eu> From my perspective, it is not correct to say that the process was not open. There were many people in the room when we modified the text after the first and the second set of track sessions. During the second drafting session on the afternoon of the 24th there were conversations taking place as to whether or not the HLMC would insist on a final round of looking at the draft statement before it would be announced. I don't know where this conversation took place and who exactly talked to whom but the result was that the governments engaged in the HLMC wanted to see the document beforehand. In a way this was only fair since they were tasked with "setting the tone" of the text. That last session before we presented the statement was semi-public. Many people were in the room and listened in to the discussion among people around the table. The people around the table were members of HLMC but also session chairs such as Anriette and me and the board. What happened there is that some governments expressed vetos to specific wording of the draft doc. One country expressed reservations to the entire document. The ICANN CEO wanted one sentence to be changed and one word removed. At that point, it seemed at least to me that the process was about to collapse. The only chance to prevent the whole process from failing was to remove or tone down certain paragraphs. What I got to understand during the text editing process is that many if not all governments would not be able to go beyond text and positions that are part of agreed language as expressed in UN resolutions etc. The gov reps simply don't have the mandate or authority to go beyond agreed language in areas that matter to them. Frankly, I don't find this surprising. Multistakeholder implies taking into account the constraints of the other stakeholders. Within the process of collectively drafting a statement, such limits obviously become very visible. So, the best we could do during the editing process is phrasing our positions in ways that would resonate with established multilateral language. In some areas, this worked quite well. The obvious example is the UN resolution on privacy in the digital age. Here we could clearly go beyond that what the private sector wanted to see in the document. Some of the last minute changes could have been prevented if we had better understood the limits of what government reps in this process can do. In other parts, civil society could have done better by simply submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting comes up. Jeanette Am 26.04.14 19:30, schrieb Adam Peake: > The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. > > Adam > > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > >> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. >> Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… >> Stephanie Perrin >> Cheers stephanie >> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >>> >>> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >>> >>> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >>> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >>> >>> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >>> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >>> >>> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >>> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >>> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >>> >>> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >>> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >>> >>> Just a suggestion. >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >>> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >>> >>> From: Ian Peter >>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >>> >>> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >>> >>> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >>> >>> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >>> >>> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >>> >>> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> Izumi Aizu << >>> >>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>> >>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>> Japan >>> * * * * * >>> << Writing the Future of the History >> >>> www.anr.org >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Sat Apr 26 16:09:56 2014 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:09:56 -0300 Subject: [governance] Call for consensus - endorsement of speech by Nnenna Nwakanma on behalf of Civil Society at Netmundial, Brazil Result In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <132C3A23-0EC9-49A7-A132-5CE66EBE1B69@lacnic.net> It was a great speech. One of the best I have ever seen in the Internet Governance meetings history. Congratulations Nnenna and thank you very much for your very inspiring energy and messages. Best, Raúl El 26/04/2014, a las 00:30, Deirdre Williams escribió: > It gives me great pleasure to announce on behalf of the co- coordinators that those who voted gave their support 100% (or if you add up the suggested numbers a great deal more than that) to endorse the speech made by Nnenna Nwakanma at the opening ceremony of NETmundial in Brazil. The dissenting voices disagreed with the need for the consensus call, but supported the speech. > > Nnenna herself makes no claim to the content of the speech - these are her words from a message in the thread: > > "I have avoided taking any particular credit about the speech, because I only listened to all those who had a say and summarized their issues. Then I proposed a set of 3 issues per thread and the over arching issue of trust. > > To me, I dont see that I have done anything new. > > The best I can do is to listen and pick out what I hear as consensus. And stand by it." > > I hope she will forgive me if I say that while the content may be "ours" the delivery was all hers. > > So Gene, the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, after due process, offers its endorsement to "Nnenna's Speech", And let's follow Daniel's suggestion and "draw from the speech a "(civil society) core values" document which could be used as the greatest common denominator of people joining this forum ...". > > Best wishes to all > > Deirdre > (on behalf of the Co-Coordinators, IGC) > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Despite our disappointments, we did win a few critical issues. And most importantly, we learned about the process and the ways in which we can lose what we've gained in final minutes of drafting and in the places where the cameras weren't present. And the lack of advance planning and announcement of the process because it was being made up on the fly, made it nearly impossible to know what to anticipate and plan for. So now we know what is needed to improve the process for next time and we will be prepared for it. And despite our legitimate complaints about the insufficient transparency in drafting sessions and HLMC, frankly, usually those moments are done in complete darkness and the fact that a small handful of the world could see it was a significant step forward in transparency. Next time, the world *will* be watching every proposed comma change, how and from where it came, etc. And I'm also so inspired by our Brazilian colleagues who were working so hard for so long -- and the same to our representatives in the committees. Thank you all for your tireless work and positive energy to improve the process and outcome. Lots of great teamwork! All best, Robin On Apr 26, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. > > Adam > > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > >> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. >> Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… >> Stephanie Perrin >> Cheers stephanie >> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >>> >>> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >>> >>> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >>> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >>> >>> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >>> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >>> >>> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >>> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >>> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >>> >>> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >>> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >>> >>> Just a suggestion. >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >>> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >>> >>> From: Ian Peter >>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >>> >>> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >>> >>> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >>> >>> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >>> >>> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >>> >>> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>>>> Izumi Aizu << >>> >>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>> >>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>> Japan >>> * * * * * >>> << Writing the Future of the History >> >>> www.anr.org >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And having observed you working during the final drafting compilation session (or at least we thought it was) I know you would not have given in on some of these points easily. There will probably be a few other things about the HLMC and its composition (50% government) we could look at in refining the model. You mentioned two things which I quote below as good lessons for us to learn 1. (Jeanette's words) In other parts, civil society could have done better by simply submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! IP - I agree completely. (even if some of the specific words we did come up with made it through the multistakeholder drafting process but got killed at the HLMC) 2. (Jeanette's words) Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting comes up. IP - I agree again. 3. My first suggestion. It would be helpful in a two day meeting structure if we could start discussing the text before 5.30pm on Day One. The time lost through endless speeches and plenaries and running overtime on first day was not helpful. 4. My second suggestion. The time allowed for drafting was insufficient. As in most writing situations, a second draft for comment is useful. And the opportunity to comment on a final draft before publication and final endorsement would also be useful. That might take more time and such a process might actually need another day. But it would lead to better outcomes. Anyway - we did really well in many ways, but yes we can learn from this experience. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Hofmann Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:01 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; best Bits Subject: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1 From my perspective, it is not correct to say that the process was not open. There were many people in the room when we modified the text after the first and the second set of track sessions. During the second drafting session on the afternoon of the 24th there were conversations taking place as to whether or not the HLMC would insist on a final round of looking at the draft statement before it would be announced. I don't know where this conversation took place and who exactly talked to whom but the result was that the governments engaged in the HLMC wanted to see the document beforehand. In a way this was only fair since they were tasked with "setting the tone" of the text. That last session before we presented the statement was semi-public. Many people were in the room and listened in to the discussion among people around the table. The people around the table were members of HLMC but also session chairs such as Anriette and me and the board. What happened there is that some governments expressed vetos to specific wording of the draft doc. One country expressed reservations to the entire document. The ICANN CEO wanted one sentence to be changed and one word removed. At that point, it seemed at least to me that the process was about to collapse. The only chance to prevent the whole process from failing was to remove or tone down certain paragraphs. What I got to understand during the text editing process is that many if not all governments would not be able to go beyond text and positions that are part of agreed language as expressed in UN resolutions etc. The gov reps simply don't have the mandate or authority to go beyond agreed language in areas that matter to them. Frankly, I don't find this surprising. Multistakeholder implies taking into account the constraints of the other stakeholders. Within the process of collectively drafting a statement, such limits obviously become very visible. So, the best we could do during the editing process is phrasing our positions in ways that would resonate with established multilateral language. In some areas, this worked quite well. The obvious example is the UN resolution on privacy in the digital age. Here we could clearly go beyond that what the private sector wanted to see in the document. Some of the last minute changes could have been prevented if we had better understood the limits of what government reps in this process can do. In other parts, civil society could have done better by simply submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting comes up. Jeanette Am 26.04.14 19:30, schrieb Adam Peake: > The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we > didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions > so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the > time. > > Adam > > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > >> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. >> They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the >> wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put >> a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. >> Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that >> there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open >> drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome >> wasn’t built in a day… >> Stephanie Perrin >> Cheers stephanie >> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >>> >>> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute >>> change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >>> >>> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to >>> observers? >>> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >>> >>> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar >>> event, to use the >>> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >>> >>> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the >>> text on the screen, >>> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc >>> or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online >>> can see the process of changing >>> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >>> >>> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different >>> rooms of the same >>> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that >>> make it transparent. >>> >>> Just a suggestion. >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >>> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really >>> constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have >>> worked together so well at the main event. >>> >>> From: Ian Peter >>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >>> >>> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long >>> flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and >>> the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly >>> well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to >>> work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a >>> high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on >>> our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the >>> group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a >>> subject etc. great team work. >>> >>> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – >>> and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So >>> like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes >>> that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about >>> that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some >>> lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >>> >>> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were >>> areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at >>> last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of >>> drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those >>> committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some >>> governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague >>> said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who >>> preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the >>> detail of that. >>> >>> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be >>> involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian >>> reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic >>> job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and >>> hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will >>> miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job >>> extremely well done. >>> >>> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work >>> everyone, really worthwhile event. >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> Izumi Aizu << >>> >>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>> >>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>> Japan >>> * * * * * >>> << Writing the Future of the History >> >>> www.anr.org >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Sat Apr 26 16:32:49 2014 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:32:49 -0300 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> Message-ID: Hi Izumi Yes, the session with the HLC was open to observers. In fact the room was full. Excellent idea for next meetings to use tools that permit to improve transparency in meeting like the ones where the document was edited. Raúl El 25/04/2014, a las 15:38, Izumi AIZU escribió: > First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. > > I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. > > My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? > (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). > > I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the > online tool, I mean online Notepad. > > In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, > it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing > the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. > > It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same > venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. > > Just a suggestion. > > izumi > > > > > > 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : > and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. > > From: Ian Peter > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 > > The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. > > As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. > > As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > > But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > > Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. > > Ian Peter > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Sat Apr 26 17:26:24 2014 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:26:24 -0300 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> Message-ID: Let me share with you my very quick evaluation. I just arrived at home and I have not had time yet for a deep evaluation. This meeting in my view has been historic. It it the first time that we produce outcomes of this nature in a multistakeholder open process and MS meeting. I remember only 2 cases that we could take as a reference. a) The WGIG: The WGIG was a multistakeholder experience that produced a final document, but instead of being based on the commonalities, it includes several options for the most controversial issues. The other difference is that the WGIG was compossed by a known number of participants, and so, even the difficulties of a very innovatitve experience, it was easier to determine when there was consensus or not. b) The document produced by the Unesco WSIS+10 meeting in February 2013. While the experience was very good, we have to recognize that the points included in the document were less controversial and those of Netmundial. I'm not sure if there are antecedents of processes and meetings like this one even outside of the Internet Governance area. Perhaps the value of this meeting is still bigger of what we can perceive at this moment. So, the in my humble opinion, the process it self, while imperfect, it is a great success itself. I agree with Ian that it is important to learn lessons form this meeting specially for continue improving these innovative experiences. With regard to the specific issue of the High Level Committee, Executive Committee and the tracks' Chairs, the purpose of the meeting was to detect any "very strong objection" to the outcomes. Not for adding topics but for detecting serious concerns that would undermine the support to the document. The document was not intended to identify the different positions on each topic, but the common ground. That's the challenge of a meeting where we have all the stakeholders and all the diverse views represented and we want to summarize the common ground. There were only 3 changes introduced in the document in that meeting, in a 12 pages document. Of course those changes are on sensitive points, but this is exactly due to the purpose of the meeting. Only in controversial topics there could be "very strong objections" Those changes were: One sentence in the IANA transition paragraph was changed, one paragraph with 2 lines in Internet Surveillance was deleted (it was pretty obvious to me that thta paragraph could not get consensus) and the Intermediary responsibilities paragraph (that was the one with bigger changes) Not introducing those 3 changes would have mean the failure of the meeting and the process. Those 3 changes saved the rest of the document. Would anybody have preferred to saving the text in a document that don't get the acceptance of the participants. Maybe yes, but honestly the document would have had a very low value. Is the content of the document good? It's the first time that we are able to include in a document produced in a multistakeholder process: a list of Principles!! This is also historic. Does that list include all the principles some of us would have liked? surely no, but the list is really impressive and goes beyond what many people expected at the beginning of the process. A few years ago some of us were not able to include the perspective of the Human Rights in the agenda of IGF. It was not 20 years ago. Just a few years ago. And now the first chapter of Principles in the Netmundial Statement is HUMAN RIGHTS AND SHARED VALUES. Shouldn't we celebrate that? Unfortunately there are more people speaking about what the document doesn't include and not about what the document YES includes. The text referred to Network Neutrality obviously doesn't fit the positions of civil society (neither my personal positions), but i don't think somebody could have expected to have stronger positions on that area. At least not now. But despite there is not strong text on Net Neutrality, the discussion held through this process and in the meeting, leave the topic of Net neutrality as one of the hottest topics for the upcoming discussions. I think we made progresses in giving priority to this issue and I also think that Neutrality got more support through the Netmundial process and with the approval of the Marco Civil law in Brazil. There are many other areas where I think that the text included is very good and constitute an important progress in the IG discussion. I mentioned HHRR just one of the most outstanding examples. My final comment so far is that the Civil Society representatives in all the committees and sessions did an impressive job and they are responsible of all the very important things were included in the document. At the beginning of the process some people said that Human Rights were out of the scope of this meeting and others proposed to include just one sentence saying that the Internet Governance should be based on the respect of Human Rights, and what was finally achieved was much more than that. And this was because the impressive work done by CS representatives. We have to be very grateful for their contributions. Although I am clearly more associated to the Technical community than to the CS, I thank them very much. This email doesn't intend to start a polemic on the evaluation of NETtmundial. I wanted just to share with all of you some of my personal opinions. Best, Raúl El 25/04/2014, a las 10:17, Ian Peter escribió: > The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. > > As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. > > As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > > But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > > Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. > > Ian Peter > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Sat Apr 26 12:30:23 2014 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:30:23 +0200 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <01BE62EF8F934D26A1BB69F0E21F4718@Toshiba> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> <535BCA67.8070308@wzb.eu> <01BE62EF8F934D26A1BB69F0E21F4718@Toshiba> Message-ID: <535BDF1F.2000908@wzb.eu> Am 26.04.14 22:28, schrieb Ian Peter: > Thanks for that Jeanette, that fills in a lot of detail. And having > observed you working during the final drafting compilation session (or > at least we thought it was) I know you would not have given in on some > of these points easily. There will probably be a few other things about > the HLMC and its composition (50% government) we could look at in > refining the model. From what I understood during those meetings, it doesn't really matter if there is 50 or 5% gov reps. The point is that they cannot stray off the track defined by agreed language and official government positions. If we want to do business with them and produce concret outcomes, we have to come to terms with the constraints they are operating in. It doesn't matter what they individually see as right or wrong, they are bound by positions defined elsewhere. There is room for maneuvre but this is a subtle business not easy to understand. In the roadmap group we were discussing "necessary and proportionate", and proportionate almost made it into the document. But then, competent ministries might disagree, and as long as we cannot show them official UN language the gov reps can refer to to justify their actions when they are back home, we don't have a strong case. My thought during these drafting sessions was that we have to become more professional and understand these rules and rationalities. It is not enough to support the politically correct position. jeanette > > You mentioned two things which I quote below as good lessons for us to > learn > > 1. (Jeanette's words) In other parts, civil society could have done > better by simply > submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by > several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions > were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific > paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! > > IP - I agree completely. (even if some of the specific words we did come > up with made it through the multistakeholder drafting process but got > killed at the HLMC) > > 2. (Jeanette's words) > Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be > more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become > more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting > comes up. > > IP - I agree again. > > 3. My first suggestion. It would be helpful in a two day meeting > structure if we could start discussing the text before 5.30pm on Day > One. The time lost through endless speeches and plenaries and running > overtime on first day was not helpful. > > 4. My second suggestion. The time allowed for drafting was insufficient. > As in most writing situations, a second draft for comment is useful. And > the opportunity to comment on a final draft before publication and final > endorsement would also be useful. That might take more time and such a > process might actually need another day. But it would lead to better > outcomes. > > Anyway - we did really well in many ways, but yes we can learn from this > experience. > > > Ian > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Hofmann > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:01 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; best Bits > Subject: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1 > > From my perspective, it is not correct to say that the process was not > open. There were many people in the room when we modified the text after > the first and the second set of track sessions. > > During the second drafting session on the afternoon of the 24th there > were conversations taking place as to whether or not the HLMC would > insist on a final round of looking at the draft statement before it > would be announced. I don't know where this conversation took place and > who exactly talked to whom but the result was that the governments > engaged in the HLMC wanted to see the document beforehand. In a way this > was only fair since they were tasked with "setting the tone" of the text. > > That last session before we presented the statement was semi-public. > Many people were in the room and listened in to the discussion among > people around the table. The people around the table were members of > HLMC but also session chairs such as Anriette and me and the board. > > What happened there is that some governments expressed vetos to specific > wording of the draft doc. One country expressed reservations to the > entire document. The ICANN CEO wanted one sentence to be changed and > one word removed. At that point, it seemed at least to me that the > process was about to collapse. The only chance to prevent the whole > process from failing was to remove or tone down certain paragraphs. > > What I got to understand during the text editing process is that many if > not all governments would not be able to go beyond text and positions > that are part of agreed language as expressed in UN resolutions etc. The > gov reps simply don't have the mandate or authority to go beyond agreed > language in areas that matter to them. > > Frankly, I don't find this surprising. Multistakeholder implies taking > into account the constraints of the other stakeholders. Within the > process of collectively drafting a statement, such limits obviously > become very visible. > > So, the best we could do during the editing process is phrasing our > positions in ways that would resonate with established multilateral > language. In some areas, this worked quite well. The obvious example is > the UN resolution on privacy in the digital age. Here we could clearly > go beyond that what the private sector wanted to see in the document. > > Some of the last minute changes could have been prevented if we had > better understood the limits of what government reps in this process can > do. > > In other parts, civil society could have done better by simply > submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by > several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions > were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific > paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! > > Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be > more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become > more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting > comes up. > > Jeanette > > Am 26.04.14 19:30, schrieb Adam Peake: >> The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a >> shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the >> drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it >> wasn't thought of at the time. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >> >>> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. >>> They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put >>> the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing >>> to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it >>> happens. >>> Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember >>> that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all >>> the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do >>> business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… >>> Stephanie Perrin >>> Cheers stephanie >>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>>> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >>>> >>>> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the >>>> last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding >>>> process. >>>> >>>> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to >>>> observers? >>>> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >>>> >>>> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar >>>> event, to use the >>>> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >>>> >>>> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put >>>> the text on the screen, >>>> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google >>>> Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone >>>> online can see the process of changing >>>> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >>>> >>>> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in >>>> different rooms of the same >>>> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, >>>> that make it transparent. >>>> >>>> Just a suggestion. >>>> >>>> izumi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >>>> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a >>>> really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we >>>> could not have worked together so well at the main event. >>>> >>>> From: Ian Peter >>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >>>> >>>> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and >>>> long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this >>>> conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really >>>> worked incredibly well together – far more so than other >>>> constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented >>>> and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and >>>> consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a >>>> willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand >>>> down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. >>>> great team work. >>>> >>>> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very >>>> interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder >>>> consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and >>>> there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I >>>> might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So >>>> I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >>>> >>>> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there >>>> were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very >>>> angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal >>>> processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed >>>> through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an >>>> example of some governmental players being more equal than others. >>>> As one colleague said, more like imperialism than >>>> multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh >>>> well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >>>> >>>> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to >>>> be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our >>>> Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, >>>> did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. >>>> They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. >>>> If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who >>>> represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >>>> >>>> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work >>>> everyone, really worthwhile event. >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >> Izumi Aizu << >>>> >>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>>> >>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>>> Japan >>>> * * * * * >>>> << Writing the Future of the History >> >>>> www.anr.org >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net Sat Apr 26 17:56:49 2014 From: jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net (Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:56:49 +0200 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <535BCA67.8070308@wzb.eu> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> <535BCA67.8070308@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <2ED7DFAB-B47F-450D-AE6B-C8045D7A01EF@theglobaljournal.net> Stephanie, who's trying to be a very positive person in that difficult debate, observed and acknowledged that the SP process (part of it) was not open... Jeanette says that is was...Jeanette writes that next time will be better. - but who's in charge of improving it? Who ever did it? I think MS has reached its limits at Sao Paulo. And indeed MSism as a model will never go beyond that type of document. Because MSism has no vision, no values, no philosophy. It is barely a methodology. There is no one serious in politics, social science, economy, law, political science to state that 'equal footing right' makes any sense. From Adam Smith, to Locke, Rousseau, Rawls, Habermas, this concept is empty. And because of the absence of vision, values, philosophy, whether in SP or in Istanbul, MSism will bring no different, no more open, and who could predict that MSism will deliver any serious concrete actions/changes. MSism is Roma brought dictatorship Stephanie, and ultimately ruin. IT is amusing to notice that everyone tends to claim victory after SP. Fun. Some see in the text the confirmation of the WSIS process, some see a post-WSIS world in the making, some probably nothing - I am thinking of the citizens here. Some will state that this is the first MS document, others will put it into their MS shelve with the plenty Blah MS has produced so far. This is precisely why these last years, very little has been achieved (deadlock?!), specifically because lacking of solid grounds of definition and understanding. All this makes it impossible to progress seriously. Sao Paulo did not derogate to that incapacity. - do we all understand that document in the same manner? Are we sure? What is more striking is the language and content of Nnenna's speech. This is a language of truth. The outcome document might have move the overall IG community by a millimeter (everyone claiming that this millimeter is his/her victory), the battle of words/concepts/ideas/dogmas/interests is pulling the Internet chariot to nowhere, if you think in terms of public and user interest. Vagueness is failing to have our engine starting and we feel no torque in the IG arena. And I am even not talking of surveillance, rights to privacy, copyright...where the outcome document is in serious jeopardy of going backward. I do believe that the concrete gift made to the IG debate in Sao Paulo is not the outcome document. It is "Nnenna's speach" which she claims not to be hers. Everyone could ask what is it in that speech that makes it so easily endorsable. Even for a simple citizen. Check thoroughly that language. This is where there is hope that the IG debate finds its principles, and out of them, a roadmap. The total absence of proposals in terms of IG grand design, - except for one submission- based upon all what we know and cherish in the Internet venture, is incredibly depressing. Are we a castrated group of IG minds. No vision in terms of governance eco-system has been discussed and reflected on in SP. Multistakeholderism is a method. It is not an eco-system. If we see MSism as a way to make sure that private sector has not only rights but assume more responsibility, then such an MSism would be the holly grail of societal change. I like the idea of an eco-system when it comes to Internet governance. A net is a bit like an onion, and its governance must have some sort of original design. It should embrace all the onion skins. From local to global, from policy making to IP, addressing, naming, cyber security, anti-mass surveillance...Stieglitz just spoke of the asymmetric role of the private sector in the US society, talking to Picketty about revenues, wealth and inequalities (raising). Giving to ICANN, a US driven monopole over an historical single root-zone for the benefit of a few, against all technical odds in terms of architectural innovation, makes me wonder why the Internet governance herd is not more interested to open new paths leading to highly protected root zone, neutral root zone, business root zone... We should have digital turnpike, digital freeways, digital highways, digital overpass and bridge. Why is it that NetMundial failed to listen to new ideas, specially when they are given for free by one of the founding father of the Internet. Even fighting against the simple idea to insert the word 'democracy' in an IG document makes me freak out. Status quo will be overtaken by history if not by us. It will be lost when technical innovation will prevail again. When algorithm will stop to be the drivers of profit. Some algorithm will become part of our global commons, soon or later. Like transportation, roads, channels... When the ever losing value of the click will come to an ever low, what shall we do to make more money, after the diversity of media and opinion will have die to the law of the click. Google is already in danger. So whatever next Internet of things, or humans, of ideas, of feelings we will have to deal with in the near future, if profit is the leading criteria to govern these spaces, then we all will have fail. As we somehow did in SP. Except for the unexpected human voice that suddenly emerged in an introductory speech, and not a concluding document. We had it all during the opening. Hope there is. Let's look where it stands. JC Le 26 avr. 2014 à 17:01, Jeanette Hofmann a écrit : > From my perspective, it is not correct to say that the process was not open. There were many people in the room when we modified the text after the first and the second set of track sessions. > > During the second drafting session on the afternoon of the 24th there were conversations taking place as to whether or not the HLMC would insist on a final round of looking at the draft statement before it would be announced. I don't know where this conversation took place and who exactly talked to whom but the result was that the governments engaged in the HLMC wanted to see the document beforehand. In a way this was only fair since they were tasked with "setting the tone" of the text. > > That last session before we presented the statement was semi-public. Many people were in the room and listened in to the discussion among people around the table. The people around the table were members of HLMC but also session chairs such as Anriette and me and the board. > > What happened there is that some governments expressed vetos to specific wording of the draft doc. One country expressed reservations to the entire document. The ICANN CEO wanted one sentence to be changed and one word removed. At that point, it seemed at least to me that the process was about to collapse. The only chance to prevent the whole process from failing was to remove or tone down certain paragraphs. > > What I got to understand during the text editing process is that many if not all governments would not be able to go beyond text and positions that are part of agreed language as expressed in UN resolutions etc. The gov reps simply don't have the mandate or authority to go beyond agreed language in areas that matter to them. > > Frankly, I don't find this surprising. Multistakeholder implies taking into account the constraints of the other stakeholders. Within the process of collectively drafting a statement, such limits obviously become very visible. > > So, the best we could do during the editing process is phrasing our positions in ways that would resonate with established multilateral language. In some areas, this worked quite well. The obvious example is the UN resolution on privacy in the digital age. Here we could clearly go beyond that what the private sector wanted to see in the document. > > Some of the last minute changes could have been prevented if we had better understood the limits of what government reps in this process can do. > > In other parts, civil society could have done better by simply submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! > > Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting comes up. > > Jeanette > > Am 26.04.14 19:30, schrieb Adam Peake: >> The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >> >>> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. >>> Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… >>> Stephanie Perrin >>> Cheers stephanie >>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>>> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >>>> >>>> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >>>> >>>> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >>>> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >>>> >>>> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >>>> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >>>> >>>> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >>>> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >>>> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >>>> >>>> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >>>> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >>>> >>>> Just a suggestion. >>>> >>>> izumi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >>>> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >>>> >>>> From: Ian Peter >>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>>> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >>>> >>>> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >>>> >>>> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >>>> >>>> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >>>> >>>> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >>>> >>>> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >> Izumi Aizu << >>>> >>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>>> >>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>>> Japan >>>> * * * * * >>>> << Writing the Future of the History >> >>>> www.anr.org >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Sat Apr 26 18:28:29 2014 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:28:29 +0900 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: Thank you Stephanie and Adam for your clarifications. I still have the "impression" that the last session was not quite as open as it could be. Firstly, there was not announcement, or explanation, as to how the final document would be dealt by HLMC in advance, or even on the fly, for those who were in the Main Room. Yes, it would be much better to have live streaming and scribed texts online for those who were not in the small drafting room. I would say even in the small room, it was VERY difficult to figure out what exactly they are discussing unless you have good hearing ability and understanding of the English since they were not using the microphone and sometimes audiences making some noise. It was semi transparent in my view. I do not mean for criticism, but for lessons going forward. More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS prep meeting in Tokyo and we insisted that Drafting session by governments plus civil society and private sector be open to all who want to participate. It worked well. We had big screen in front of all, and everyone could speak up once chair allow, there were some distinction between the official member of the drafting committee and others, but not much, In the end the result of this informal drafting committee was sent to the government only negotiation, which was open and transparent, but no-government stakeholders including IGOs could have no say. We asked government people to "honor" the works of this multistakeholder draft document and in my view we got 85%, if not 90%. (could not get good language for Human rights and Freedom of Expression). Now, after more than 10 years, we have, as I wrote, better online tool, much better working experience among CS members with other stakeholders, better recognition on CS and MSH to advance our work. As Jeanette and Ian point out, we could have done better if we had better prepared and also better prepared on the fly. But overall, I think civil society did a very good job, together with Brazilian host, but also I like to mention the other stakeholders, governments, business, tech and academic community also deserve the recognition together, As we were discussing during the dinner right after the closure, we could and should understand some government folks who really had constraints under their mandate, therefore had to put their reservations on the record. And even so, I think their behaviors were not that disruptive, at the last stage, to honor Brazilian host and also all of us engaged there. izumi 2014-04-27 2:30 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake : > The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we > didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions > so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the > time. > > Adam > > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > > > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. > They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the > wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a > better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. > > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember > that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the > open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome > wasn’t built in a day… > > Stephanie Perrin > > Cheers stephanie > > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > > >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. > >> > >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the > last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding > process. > >> > >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to > observers? > >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). > >> > >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar > event, to use the > >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. > >> > >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the > text on the screen, > >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc > or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can > see the process of changing > >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. > >> > >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in > different rooms of the same > >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that > make it transparent. > >> > >> Just a suggestion. > >> > >> izumi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : > >> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a > really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not > have worked together so well at the main event. > >> > >> From: Ian Peter > >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM > >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 > >> > >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long > flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and > the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well > together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with > a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume > of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, > with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand > down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team > work. > >> > >> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting > – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like > all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that > should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that > after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for > us, and is worth repeating. > >> > >> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there > were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry > at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of > drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those > committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some > governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, > more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches > the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > >> > >> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be > involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, > and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad > it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our > behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, > but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > >> > >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work > everyone, really worthwhile event. > >> > >> Ian Peter > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> >> Izumi Aizu << > >> > >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > >> > >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > >> Japan > >> * * * * * > >> << Writing the Future of the History >> > >> www.anr.org > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From robin at ipjustice.org Sat Apr 26 21:44:02 2014 From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:44:02 -0700 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> Message-ID: <4384640F-C161-406B-AC41-32D6E9F7B06C@ipjustice.org> A few thoughts on the outcome doc and Netmundial generally, after the benefit of a plane ride to process the experience. Overall, there are some truly amazing principles supported in the Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement that we as civil society should proud of and especially our representatives who got this achievement. The Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralized, Internet as global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document. These are all truly amazing achievements and an important pivot point in the evolution of the global governance ecosystem. Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary liability, net neutrality, and separation of policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these issues were mentioned in the governance document itself, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright). So on some key substantive policy issues, the document reflects a remarkable achievement, despite a few critical losses where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute behind less transparent and less organized processes on the specific wording. But the simple fact the govts and biz had to negotiate with civil society over key language (and wait in line to speak) is another rather remarkable step-forward. There was more transparency over the drafting and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes where we can't see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch. We now see the need for improved transparency in these key critical decision-making moments in this going forward. And the process frustrated and impeded civil society, who tends not be in current decision-making positions on these important process decisions. I don't want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really great parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a very positive step forward in the evolution of the Internet governance and Internet freedom. Yes, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that point too; this doc supports "equality", so we've got our hook for that goal here too. On balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution. My 2 cents, Robin On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Thank you Stephanie and Adam for your clarifications. > > I still have the "impression" that the last session was not quite as open as it could be. > > Firstly, there was not announcement, or explanation, as to how the final document would be dealt by HLMC in advance, or even on the fly, for those who were in the Main Room. > > Yes, it would be much better to have live streaming and scribed texts online for those who were not in the small drafting room. > > I would say even in the small room, it was VERY difficult to figure out what exactly they are discussing unless you have good hearing ability and understanding of the English since they were not using the microphone and sometimes audiences making some noise. > It was semi transparent in my view. > > I do not mean for criticism, but for lessons going forward. > > More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS prep meeting in Tokyo and we insisted that Drafting session by governments plus civil society and private sector be open to all who want to participate. It worked well. We had big screen in front of all, and everyone could speak up once chair allow, there were some distinction between the official member of the drafting committee and others, but not much, In the end the result of this informal drafting committee was sent to the government only negotiation, which was open and transparent, but no-government stakeholders including IGOs could have no say. > We asked government people to "honor" the works of this multistakeholder draft document and in my view we got 85%, if not 90%. (could not get good language for Human rights and Freedom of Expression). > > Now, after more than 10 years, we have, as I wrote, better online tool, much better working experience among CS members with other stakeholders, better recognition on CS and MSH to advance our work. > > As Jeanette and Ian point out, we could have done better if we had better prepared and also better prepared on the fly. > > But overall, I think civil society did a very good job, together with Brazilian host, but also I like to mention the other stakeholders, governments, business, tech and academic community also deserve the recognition together, > > As we were discussing during the dinner right after the closure, we could and should understand some government folks who really had constraints under their mandate, therefore had to put their reservations on the record. And even so, I think their behaviors were not that disruptive, at the last stage, to honor Brazilian host and also all of us engaged there. > > izumi > > > > 2014-04-27 2:30 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake : > The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. > > Adam > > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > > > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. > > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… > > Stephanie Perrin > > Cheers stephanie > > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > > >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. > >> > >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. > >> > >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? > >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). > >> > >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the > >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. > >> > >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, > >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing > >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. > >> > >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same > >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. > >> > >> Just a suggestion. > >> > >> izumi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : > >> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. > >> > >> From: Ian Peter > >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM > >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 > >> > >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. > >> > >> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. > >> > >> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > >> > >> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > >> > >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. > >> > >> Ian Peter > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> >> Izumi Aizu << > >> > >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > >> > >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > >> Japan > >> * * * * * > >> << Writing the Future of the History >> > >> www.anr.org > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The overall process for how the HLMC was to respond the the draft, the timing of the meeting, what would be done with the interventions, the expected type of output document, was what was not really open. We did not receive invitations to the HLMC meeting until 2:54 on Thursday, for a 4:30 meeting. The meeting was open to all (and lots certainly came) but the process at the end when the compromise texts were re-inserted was not done in the plenary meeting in the upstairs lounge. We adjourned and a small group did the edits. I hope this is more clear. Cheers Stephanie Perrin On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… > Stephanie Perrin > Cheers stephanie > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >> >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >> >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >> >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >> >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >> >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >> >> Just a suggestion. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >> >> From: Ian Peter >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >> >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >> >> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >> >> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >> >> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >> >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> * * * * * >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >> www.anr.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stephanie P On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Robin Gross wrote: > A few thoughts on the outcome doc and Netmundial generally, after the benefit of a plane ride to process the experience. Overall, there are some truly amazing principles supported in the Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement that we as civil society should proud of and especially our representatives who got this achievement. > > The Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralized, Internet as global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document. These are all truly amazing achievements and an important pivot point in the evolution of the global governance ecosystem. > > Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary liability, net neutrality, and separation of policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these issues were mentioned in the governance document itself, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright). So on some key substantive policy issues, the document reflects a remarkable achievement, despite a few critical losses where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute behind less transparent and less organized processes on the specific wording. > > But the simple fact the govts and biz had to negotiate with civil society over key language (and wait in line to speak) is another rather remarkable step-forward. There was more transparency over the drafting and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes where we can't see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch. We now see the need for improved transparency in these key critical decision-making moments in this going forward. And the process frustrated and impeded civil society, who tends not be in current decision-making positions on these important process decisions. > > I don't want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really great parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a very positive step forward in the evolution of the Internet governance and Internet freedom. > > Yes, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that point too; this doc supports "equality", so we've got our hook for that goal here too. > > On balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution. > > My 2 cents, > Robin > > > On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> Thank you Stephanie and Adam for your clarifications. >> >> I still have the "impression" that the last session was not quite as open as it could be. >> >> Firstly, there was not announcement, or explanation, as to how the final document would be dealt by HLMC in advance, or even on the fly, for those who were in the Main Room. >> >> Yes, it would be much better to have live streaming and scribed texts online for those who were not in the small drafting room. >> >> I would say even in the small room, it was VERY difficult to figure out what exactly they are discussing unless you have good hearing ability and understanding of the English since they were not using the microphone and sometimes audiences making some noise. >> It was semi transparent in my view. >> >> I do not mean for criticism, but for lessons going forward. >> >> More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS prep meeting in Tokyo and we insisted that Drafting session by governments plus civil society and private sector be open to all who want to participate. It worked well. We had big screen in front of all, and everyone could speak up once chair allow, there were some distinction between the official member of the drafting committee and others, but not much, In the end the result of this informal drafting committee was sent to the government only negotiation, which was open and transparent, but no-government stakeholders including IGOs could have no say. >> We asked government people to "honor" the works of this multistakeholder draft document and in my view we got 85%, if not 90%. (could not get good language for Human rights and Freedom of Expression). >> >> Now, after more than 10 years, we have, as I wrote, better online tool, much better working experience among CS members with other stakeholders, better recognition on CS and MSH to advance our work. >> >> As Jeanette and Ian point out, we could have done better if we had better prepared and also better prepared on the fly. >> >> But overall, I think civil society did a very good job, together with Brazilian host, but also I like to mention the other stakeholders, governments, business, tech and academic community also deserve the recognition together, >> >> As we were discussing during the dinner right after the closure, we could and should understand some government folks who really had constraints under their mandate, therefore had to put their reservations on the record. And even so, I think their behaviors were not that disruptive, at the last stage, to honor Brazilian host and also all of us engaged there. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> 2014-04-27 2:30 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake : >> The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >> >> > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. >> > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… >> > Stephanie Perrin >> > Cheers stephanie >> > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> > >> >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >> >> >> >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >> >> >> >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >> >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >> >> >> >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >> >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >> >> >> >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >> >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >> >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >> >> >> >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >> >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >> >> >> >> Just a suggestion. >> >> >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >> >> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >> >> >> >> From: Ian Peter >> >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >> >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >> >> >> >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >> >> >> >> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >> >> >> >> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >> >> >> >> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >> >> >> >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >> >> >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> >> Japan >> >> * * * * * >> >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >> >> www.anr.org >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> * * * * * >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >> www.anr.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From robin at ipjustice.org Sun Apr 27 00:13:16 2014 From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:13:16 -0700 Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <93C886F4-B253-4D4F-9E9A-FEA54186B349@mail.utoronto.ca> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> <4384640F-C161-406B-AC41-32D6E9F7B06C@ipjustice.org> <93C886F4-B253-4D4F-9E9A-FEA54186B349@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <2C57D367-6DDE-48AB-83B8-43F3D8D9DEE0@ipjustice.org> Thanks! I just posted a cleaned-up version of this earlier big-picture analysis to the web: http://tinyurl.com/ll9wnuq A Civil Society Perspective on NETmundial 2014 Final Outcome Document: A Remarkable Achievement, Despite Losses to Hollywood & Govts Over Specific Language on Most Controversial Issues A few high-level thoughts on the Netmundial meeting in Brazil this week and its final outcome document, adopted by its high level committee. Overall, there are some truly amazing and forward-looking principles supported in the "Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement" that we as civil society should proud of, and especially our civil society representatives who worked tirelessly for this achievement. Specifically, the Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralization, and the Internet as a global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document. These principles are all wonderful achievements for social justice and an important pivot point in the evolution of global governance principles and mechanisms. Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary protections, net neutrality, and separation of policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these controversial issues were mentioned at all in the statement, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright). So on some key substantive policy issues, the statement reflects a remarkable positive achievement, despite a few critical losses on the specific wording where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute, in less transparent and less organized processes. Civil society gained great experience from engaging in the process and learned a number of places were improvements can be made in future discussions and processes. Perhaps the losses on specific wording on the most contentious issues was the price to pay to obtain the larger and more numerous high-level principles supporting social justice goals and the positive development of the Internet. The simple fact the govts and business had to negotiate with civil society over final text language (and govts wait in line at the mic to speak) is another step-forward in Internet governance. Even with short comings, there was more transparency over the drafting and final high level committee’s weakening and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes, where we can’t see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch (those who could walk into the room) in NETmundial final high level committee and drafting sessions. There is demonstrated need for improved transparency in these critical decision-making moments in the process going forward. And the inability to anticipate the process also impeded civil society, who tends to be significantly under-represented in decision-making positions and among the insiders. I don’t want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really encouraging parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a positive advancement in the evolution of Internet governance and Internet freedom. Without question, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that critical point; this statement supports "equality", so we’ve got our hook for that key civil society goal in here too. The last minute (significantly weakening or) insertion of new language, for which there was no consensus or previous discussion, by powerful interests (generally Hollywood, Govt, ICANN) on the document’s most controversial issues was one of the process’ biggest break down points. Even with the process issues and painful losses on specific language on the most controversial issues, on balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution. "Netmundial Multistakeholder Statement" On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > +1! > Stephanie P > On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Robin Gross wrote: > >> A few thoughts on the outcome doc and Netmundial generally, after the benefit of a plane ride to process the experience. Overall, there are some truly amazing principles supported in the Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement that we as civil society should proud of and especially our representatives who got this achievement. >> >> The Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralized, Internet as global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document. These are all truly amazing achievements and an important pivot point in the evolution of the global governance ecosystem. >> >> Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary liability, net neutrality, and separation of policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these issues were mentioned in the governance document itself, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright). So on some key substantive policy issues, the document reflects a remarkable achievement, despite a few critical losses where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute behind less transparent and less organized processes on the specific wording. >> >> But the simple fact the govts and biz had to negotiate with civil society over key language (and wait in line to speak) is another rather remarkable step-forward. There was more transparency over the drafting and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes where we can't see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch. We now see the need for improved transparency in these key critical decision-making moments in this going forward. And the process frustrated and impeded civil society, who tends not be in current decision-making positions on these important process decisions. >> >> I don't want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really great parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a very positive step forward in the evolution of the Internet governance and Internet freedom. >> >> Yes, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that point too; this doc supports "equality", so we've got our hook for that goal here too. >> >> On balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution. >> >> My 2 cents, >> Robin >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> Thank you Stephanie and Adam for your clarifications. >>> >>> I still have the "impression" that the last session was not quite as open as it could be. >>> >>> Firstly, there was not announcement, or explanation, as to how the final document would be dealt by HLMC in advance, or even on the fly, for those who were in the Main Room. >>> >>> Yes, it would be much better to have live streaming and scribed texts online for those who were not in the small drafting room. >>> >>> I would say even in the small room, it was VERY difficult to figure out what exactly they are discussing unless you have good hearing ability and understanding of the English since they were not using the microphone and sometimes audiences making some noise. >>> It was semi transparent in my view. >>> >>> I do not mean for criticism, but for lessons going forward. >>> >>> More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS prep meeting in Tokyo and we insisted that Drafting session by governments plus civil society and private sector be open to all who want to participate. It worked well. We had big screen in front of all, and everyone could speak up once chair allow, there were some distinction between the official member of the drafting committee and others, but not much, In the end the result of this informal drafting committee was sent to the government only negotiation, which was open and transparent, but no-government stakeholders including IGOs could have no say. >>> We asked government people to "honor" the works of this multistakeholder draft document and in my view we got 85%, if not 90%. (could not get good language for Human rights and Freedom of Expression). >>> >>> Now, after more than 10 years, we have, as I wrote, better online tool, much better working experience among CS members with other stakeholders, better recognition on CS and MSH to advance our work. >>> >>> As Jeanette and Ian point out, we could have done better if we had better prepared and also better prepared on the fly. >>> >>> But overall, I think civil society did a very good job, together with Brazilian host, but also I like to mention the other stakeholders, governments, business, tech and academic community also deserve the recognition together, >>> >>> As we were discussing during the dinner right after the closure, we could and should understand some government folks who really had constraints under their mandate, therefore had to put their reservations on the record. And even so, I think their behaviors were not that disruptive, at the last stage, to honor Brazilian host and also all of us engaged there. >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-04-27 2:30 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake : >>> The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: >>> >>> > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. >>> > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… >>> > Stephanie Perrin >>> > Cheers stephanie >>> > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> > >>> >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >>> >> >>> >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >>> >> >>> >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >>> >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >>> >> >>> >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >>> >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >>> >> >>> >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >>> >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >>> >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >>> >> >>> >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >>> >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >>> >> >>> >> Just a suggestion. >>> >> >>> >> izumi >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >>> >> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >>> >> >>> >> From: Ian Peter >>> >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >>> >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >>> >> >>> >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >>> >> >>> >> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >>> >> >>> >> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >>> >> >>> >> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >>> >> >>> >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >>> >> >>> >> Ian Peter >>> >> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >> >>> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >> >>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >> >>> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >> >>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >> Izumi Aizu << >>> >> >>> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>> >> >>> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>> >> Japan >>> >> * * * * * >>> >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >>> >> www.anr.org >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >> >>> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >> >>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> > >>> > ____________________________________________________________ >>> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> > To be removed from the list, visit: >>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> > >>> > For all other list information and functions, see: >>> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> > >>> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> Izumi Aizu << >>> >>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>> >>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>> Japan >>> * * * * * >>> << Writing the Future of the History >> >>> www.anr.org >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I did follow the events only as a remote participant (so I do not have all information) but agree with most what you have said in the mail below. It is very helpful to see both the strength of the "big picture" and the weaknesses in some details. I also agree that the principle part is the big step forward. The roadmap part is more "stumbling" forward. But the whole process - compared with WSIS or WCIT - is encouraging from a civil society´s perspective. Best wishes wolfgang Here is what is my conclusion (as a renmote participant) from the meeting. Unfortunately in German only. http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/net-mundial-in-s-o-paulo-der-taegliche-kampf-um-die-freiheit-im-netz-12910313.html ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Robin Gross Gesendet: So 27.04.2014 03:44 An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU Cc: Adam Peake; Stephanie Perrin; < NCSG List Betreff: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1 A few thoughts on the outcome doc and Netmundial generally, after the benefit of a plane ride to process the experience. Overall, there are some truly amazing principles supported in the Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement that we as civil society should proud of and especially our representatives who got this achievement. The Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralized, Internet as global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document. These are all truly amazing achievements and an important pivot point in the evolution of the global governance ecosystem. Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary liability, net neutrality, and separation of policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these issues were mentioned in the governance document itself, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright). So on some key substantive policy issues, the document reflects a remarkable achievement, despite a few critical losses where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute behind less transparent and less organized processes on the specific wording. But the simple fact the govts and biz had to negotiate with civil society over key language (and wait in line to speak) is another rather remarkable step-forward. There was more transparency over the drafting and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes where we can't see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch. We now see the need for improved transparency in these key critical decision-making moments in this going forward. And the process frustrated and impeded civil society, who tends not be in current decision-making positions on these important process decisions. I don't want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really great parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a very positive step forward in the evolution of the Internet governance and Internet freedom. Yes, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that point too; this doc supports "equality", so we've got our hook for that goal here too. On balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution. My 2 cents, Robin On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: Thank you Stephanie and Adam for your clarifications. I still have the "impression" that the last session was not quite as open as it could be. Firstly, there was not announcement, or explanation, as to how the final document would be dealt by HLMC in advance, or even on the fly, for those who were in the Main Room. Yes, it would be much better to have live streaming and scribed texts online for those who were not in the small drafting room. I would say even in the small room, it was VERY difficult to figure out what exactly they are discussing unless you have good hearing ability and understanding of the English since they were not using the microphone and sometimes audiences making some noise. It was semi transparent in my view. I do not mean for criticism, but for lessons going forward. More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS prep meeting in Tokyo and we insisted that Drafting session by governments plus civil society and private sector be open to all who want to participate. It worked well. We had big screen in front of all, and everyone could speak up once chair allow, there were some distinction between the official member of the drafting committee and others, but not much, In the end the result of this informal drafting committee was sent to the government only negotiation, which was open and transparent, but no-government stakeholders including IGOs could have no say. We asked government people to "honor" the works of this multistakeholder draft document and in my view we got 85%, if not 90%. (could not get good language for Human rights and Freedom of Expression). Now, after more than 10 years, we have, as I wrote, better online tool, much better working experience among CS members with other stakeholders, better recognition on CS and MSH to advance our work. As Jeanette and Ian point out, we could have done better if we had better prepared and also better prepared on the fly. But overall, I think civil society did a very good job, together with Brazilian host, but also I like to mention the other stakeholders, governments, business, tech and academic community also deserve the recognition together, As we were discussing during the dinner right after the closure, we could and should understand some government folks who really had constraints under their mandate, therefore had to put their reservations on the record. And even so, I think their behaviors were not that disruptive, at the last stage, to honor Brazilian host and also all of us engaged there. izumi 2014-04-27 2:30 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake : The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. Adam On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions....this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn't built in a day... > Stephanie Perrin > Cheers stephanie > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU > wrote: > >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >> >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >> >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >> >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >> >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >> >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >> >> Just a suggestion. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >> and I should have added - thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >> >> From: Ian Peter >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >> >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together - far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >> >> As regards the results - this was version 0.1 of this very interesting - and i think promising - version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >> >> As regards the outputs - as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >> >> But for now - there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job - ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >> >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> * * * * * >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >> www.anr.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Sun Apr 27 07:44:09 2014 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:44:09 +0900 Subject: [governance] Message-ID: A little reflection Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing ovations. Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the first ones at the first WSIS process. At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members were not given much role other than making statements within limited and controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by other stakeholders. They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have a lot to achieve. Now, going forward! izumi -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good thing CS met the day before to discuss perspectives and strategy.  It seemed to build increased trust and respect,  focus attention for presentation on key issues,  and begin to get us organized. 2. We probably needed an additional day of meeetings to further refine strategy and how to maximize our influence .   3. Given the totally fluid nature and opaqueness of how a final document would come together, all stakeholder groups were nervous but we were most disadvantaged by not having a last minute "power push" to match government and corporate efforts.  4. We might have been able to do slightly better on wording but in the end, the leverage of key governments and corporate interests was always going to win the battle IF consensus was the goal. That's just a reminder of the ongoing political power deficit we always face and must continue the fight to overcome.  -------- Original message -------- From: Robin Gross Date: 04/27/2014 12:13 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Stephanie Perrin Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Izumi AIZU ,Adam Peake ," <" ,NCSG List Subject: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1 Thanks!  I just posted a cleaned-up version of this earlier big-picture analysis to the web: http://tinyurl.com/ll9wnuq A Civil Society Perspective on NETmundial 2014 Final Outcome Document: A Remarkable Achievement, Despite Losses to Hollywood & Govts Over Specific Language on Most Controversial Issues A few high-level thoughts on the Netmundial meeting in Brazil this week and its final outcome document, adopted by its high level committee.  Overall, there are some truly amazing and forward-looking principles supported in the "Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement" that we as civil society should proud of, and especially our civil society representatives who worked tirelessly for this achievement.    Specifically, the Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralization, and the Internet as a global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document.  These principles are all wonderful achievements for social justice and an important pivot point in the evolution of global governance principles and mechanisms.     Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary protections, net neutrality, and separation of policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these controversial issues were mentioned at all in the statement, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright).  So on some key substantive policy issues, the statement reflects a remarkable positive achievement, despite a few critical losses on the specific wording where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute, in less transparent and less organized processes.  Civil society gained great experience from engaging in the process and learned a number of places were improvements can be made in future discussions and processes.  Perhaps the losses on specific wording on the most contentious issues was the price to pay to obtain the larger and more numerous high-level principles supporting social justice goals and the positive development of the Internet.   The simple fact the govts and business had to negotiate with civil society over final text language (and govts wait in line at the mic to speak) is another step-forward in Internet governance.  Even with short comings, there was more transparency over the drafting and final high level committee’s weakening and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes, where we can’t see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch (those who could walk into the room) in NETmundial final high level committee and drafting sessions.  There is demonstrated need for improved transparency in these critical decision-making moments in the process going forward.  And the inability to anticipate the process also impeded civil society, who tends to be significantly under-represented in decision-making positions and among the insiders.   I don’t want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really encouraging parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a positive advancement in the evolution of Internet governance and Internet freedom.    Without question, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that critical point; this statement supports "equality", so we’ve got our hook for that key civil society goal in here too.  The last minute (significantly weakening or) insertion of new language, for which there was no consensus or previous discussion, by powerful interests (generally Hollywood, Govt, ICANN) on the document’s most controversial issues was one of the process’ biggest break down points.   Even with the process issues and painful losses on specific language on the most controversial issues, on balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution.   "Netmundial Multistakeholder Statement" On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: +1! Stephanie P On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Robin Gross wrote: A few thoughts on the outcome doc and Netmundial generally, after the benefit of a plane ride to process the experience.  Overall, there are some truly amazing principles supported in the Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement that we as civil society should proud of and especially our representatives who got this achievement.   The Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralized, Internet as global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document.  These are all truly amazing achievements and an important pivot point in the evolution of the global governance ecosystem.   Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary liability, net neutrality, and separation of policy & operations in IANA, but the fact that these issues were mentioned in the governance document itself, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright).  So on some key substantive policy issues, the document reflects a remarkable achievement, despite a few critical losses where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute behind less transparent and less organized processes on the specific wording.   But the simple fact the govts and biz had to negotiate with civil society over key language (and wait in line to speak) is another rather remarkable step-forward.  There was more transparency over the drafting and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes where we can't see the drafting at all, since a few of us could watch.  We now see the need for improved transparency in these key critical decision-making moments in this going forward.  And the process frustrated and impeded civil society, who tends not be in current decision-making positions on these important process decisions. I don't want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really great parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a very positive step forward in the evolution of the Internet governance and Internet freedom.   Yes, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that point too; this doc supports "equality", so we've got our hook for that goal here too. On balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution. My 2 cents, Robin On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: Thank you Stephanie and Adam for your clarifications. I still have the "impression" that the last session was not quite as open as it could be. Firstly, there was not announcement, or explanation, as to how the final document would be dealt by HLMC in advance, or even on the fly, for those who were in the Main Room. Yes, it would be much better to have live streaming and scribed texts online for those who were not in the small drafting room. I would say even in the small room, it was VERY difficult to figure out what exactly they are discussing unless you have good hearing ability and understanding of the English since they were not using the microphone and sometimes audiences making some noise. It was semi transparent in my view. I do not mean for criticism, but for lessons going forward. More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS prep meeting in Tokyo and we insisted that Drafting session by governments plus civil society and private sector be open to all who want to participate. It worked well. We had big screen in front of all, and everyone could speak up once chair allow, there were some distinction between the official member of the drafting committee and others, but not much, In the end the result of this informal drafting committee was sent to the government only negotiation, which was open and transparent, but no-government stakeholders including IGOs could have no say. We asked government people to "honor" the works of this multistakeholder draft document and in my view we got 85%, if not 90%. (could not get good language for Human rights and Freedom of Expression). Now, after more than 10 years, we have, as I wrote, better online tool, much better working experience among CS members with other stakeholders, better recognition on CS and MSH to advance our work. As Jeanette and Ian point out, we could have done better if we had better prepared and also better prepared on the fly. But overall, I think civil society did a very good job, together with Brazilian host, but also I like to mention the other stakeholders, governments, business, tech and academic community also deserve the recognition together, As we were discussing during the dinner right after the closure, we could and should understand some government folks who really had constraints under their mandate, therefore had to put their reservations on the record. And even so, I think their behaviors were not that disruptive, at the last stage, to honor Brazilian host and also all of us engaged there. izumi 2014-04-27 2:30 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake : The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it wasn't thought of at the time. Adam On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the list know if it happens. > Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… > Stephanie Perrin > Cheers stephanie > On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. >> >> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the preceding process. >> >> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to observers? >> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). >> >> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar event, to use the >> online tool, I mean online Notepad. >> >> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put the text on the screen, >> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone online can see the process of changing >> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. >> >> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in different rooms of the same >> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, that make it transparent. >> >> Just a suggestion. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : >> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we could not have worked together so well at the main event. >> >> From: Ian Peter >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 >> >> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really worked incredibly well together – far more so than other constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. great team work. >> >> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth repeating. >> >> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This was an example of some governmental players being more equal than others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. >> >> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who represented us, I must say job extremely well done. >> >> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work everyone, really worthwhile event. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> * * * * * >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >> www.anr.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t --   >> Izumi Aizu <<   Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo   Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,   Japan   * * * * *   << Writing the Future of the History >>   www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:   governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:   http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:   http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:   http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From becky.lentz at mcgill.ca Sun Apr 27 10:15:13 2014 From: becky.lentz at mcgill.ca (Becky Lentz, Dr.) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 14:15:13 +0000 Subject: [governance] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4562DF2F52066C4F8B1EE3A35B808D6536EC12DD@EXMBX2010-7.campus.MCGILL.CA> Dear colleagues, As a scholar/educator researching and teaching about civil society capacity building on internet freedom issues, it's been incredibly inspiring to observe how your work has taken shape and the amount of careful collaboration that has evolved from that work. This particular episode--NetMundial--of that story has many lessons to offer. Izumi's post (below) helps place this in important historical context, and to add to that, I would also direct you to a new book (as an addition to those already published, such as Marianne Franklin's recent book) that offers some useful historical insights into some of the issues Izumi raises related to NGO relations, which relate to the capacity to influence policy: Global Governance and NGO Participation: Shaping the Information Society in the United Nations, by Charlotte Dany (http://books.google.com/books/about/Global_Governance_and_NGO_Participation.html?id=jgr5tOQNhYYC). I've written a book review if anyone is interested in a quick overview (please email me offlist). Congratulations to everyone involved! Becky Lentz, McGill University ________________________________ From: izumiaizu at gmail.com [izumiaizu at gmail.com] on behalf of Izumi AIZU [iza at anr.org] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 7:44 AM To: governance; Subject: [governance] A little reflection Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing ovations. Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the first ones at the first WSIS process. At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members were not given much role other than making statements within limited and controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by other stakeholders. They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have a lot to achieve. Now, going forward! izumi [X] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Sun Apr 27 11:40:22 2014 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 00:40:22 +0900 Subject: [governance] 2 Video Clips of the Concultion of NETmundial on YouTube Message-ID: Hi, I have just shared the 2 video clips on the conclusion of NET mundial meeting: 1) Adam and Jeanette reading the final statement at http://youtu.be/LkRtgJjtOQQ 2) Chair, Stephanie and Fadi making final remarks at http://youtu.be/Y4TD1_3UUx4 Please enjoy! izumi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mazzone at ebu.ch Sun Apr 27 13:20:17 2014 From: mazzone at ebu.ch (Mazzone, Giacomo) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 17:20:17 +0000 Subject: [governance] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Izumi, having being there since Geneva 2003, I could only that confirm as witness what you say. So I want to associate myself to this big thank to all friends that have done their best to bring us where we are today. You forgot to mention the work done by Anriette in the drafting group and by all the Brazilian friends… But what it is more important is that these years have forged relationships and trust, so that the border is not anymore between civil society and the other stakeholders, but between those that are ready to change and support the change and those that don’t want. Chengetai, Janis, Markus, Hartmut, Raul, Lee, Thomas, Andrea and many others …. This is the biggest achievement of these 10 years… I wish all of you a nice end of week end. Giacomo From: izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: dimanche 27 avril 2014 13:44 To: governance; Subject: [governance] A little reflection Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing ovations. Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the first ones at the first WSIS process. At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members were not given much role other than making statements within limited and controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by other stakeholders. They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have a lot to achieve. 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There are people in the remote hubs, globally, many more who could have played great roles had they been Brazil, but due to various reasons, work, money, health, family... they quietly stayed at home and watched or remotely participated. As someone proposed, we better use "online" participation which is not "remote" in substantive sense. Anyway, I also agree with Giacomo that we should thank and recognize all these outside of the Civil Society but equally important partners of the work of NET mundial. Civil society is not a solo actor in our own silo, but we are part of the larger team. izumi 2014-04-28 2:20 GMT+09:00 Mazzone, Giacomo : > Dear Izumi, > > having being there since Geneva 2003, I could only that confirm as witness > what you say. So I want to associate myself to this big thank to all > friends that have done their best to bring us where we are today. You > forgot to mention the work done by Anriette in the drafting group and by > all the Brazilian friends… But what it is more important is that these > years have forged relationships and trust, so that the border is not > anymore between civil society and the other stakeholders, but between those > that are ready to change and support the change and those that don’t want. > Chengetai, Janis, Markus, Hartmut, Raul, Lee, Thomas, Andrea and many > others …. > > This is the biggest achievement of these 10 years… > > I wish all of you a nice end of week end. > > Giacomo > > > > *From:* izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Izumi > AIZU > *Sent:* dimanche 27 avril 2014 13:44 > > *To:* governance; > *Subject:* [governance] > > > > A little reflection > > > > Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from > INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette > were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing > ovations. > > > > Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of > the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis > phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the > first ones at the first WSIS process. > > > At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members > were not given much role other than making statements within limited and > controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with > government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By > and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". > > > > Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were > "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by > other stakeholders. > > They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, > CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. > > It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our > collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among > CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in > building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. > > In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but > also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who > worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the > explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. > > > > I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have > a lot to achieve. > > > > Now, going forward! > > > > izumi > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > * ************************************************** This email and any > files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use > of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have > received this email in error, please notify the system manager. This > footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by the > mailgateway ************************************************** * > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From robin at ipjustice.org Sun Apr 27 16:53:55 2014 From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:53:55 -0700 Subject: [governance] FINAL VERSION OF THE Netmundial DOCUMENT In-Reply-To: <7e3359d88c0d48cabb12deebe90e5999@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> References: <7e3359d88c0d48cabb12deebe90e5999@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Here's my own "big picture" analysis of the meeting and final stmt from a civil society perspective: "A Remarkable Achievement, Despite Losses to Hollywood & Govts Over Specific Language on Most Controversial Issues" http://tinyurl.com/ll9wnuq Best, Robin A Civil Society Perspective on NETmundial 2014 Final Outcome Document: A Remarkable Achievement, Despite Losses to Hollywood & Govts Over Specific Language on Most Controversial Issues A few ‘big picture’ thoughts on the Netmundial meeting in Brazil this week and its final outcome document, adopted by its high level committee. Overall, there are some truly amazing and forward-looking principles supported in the "Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder Statement" that we as civil society should be proud of, and especially our civil society representatives who worked tirelessly for this achievement. Specifically, the Internet governance principles of human rights, democracy, equality, openness, transparency, accountability, decentralization, and the Internet as a global resource to be managed in the public interest are all supported in the final outcome document. These principles are all wonderful achievements for social justice and an important pivot point in the evolution of global governance principles and mechanisms. Civil society lost ground on the specific wording over the most contentious issues, such as surveillance, copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary protections, net neutrality, and separation of policy and operations in IANA, but the fact that these controversial issues were mentioned at all in the statement, is a significant advancement (except for the ode to copyright). So on some key substantive policy issues, the statement reflects a remarkable positive achievement, despite a few critical losses on the specific wording where civil society got out-lobbied, out-muscled, and out-manuevered in the last minute, in less transparent and less organized processes. Civil society gained great experience from engaging in the process and learned a number of places were improvements can be made in future discussions and processes. Perhaps the losses on specific wording on the most contentious issues was the price to pay to obtain the larger and more numerous high-level principles supporting social justice goals and the positive development of the Internet. Let’s not be too hard on ourselves for losing these narrow, more contentious, specific wording battles. Recognition of the numerous high level social justice and Internet freedom goals is a remarkable significant advancement. The simple fact the governments and business had to negotiate with civil society over final text language (and governments wait in line at the microphone to speak like everyone else) is another step-forward in the evolution of Internet governance. Even with short comings, there was more transparency over the drafting and final high level committee’s weakening and adoption of the document than there is in other global governance regimes, where the public can’t see the text drafting at all (like the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement), since a few of us could observe (those who could walk into the room) in the NETmundial final high level committee and drafting sessions. There is demonstrated need for improved transparency in these critical decision-making moments in the process going forward. And the inability to anticipate the process also impeded civil society, who tends to be significantly under-represented in decision-making positions and among insiders. I don’t want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail to see the really encouraging parts of this document, and that in many ways, this was a positive advancement in the evolution of Internet governance, social justice, and Internet freedom. Without question, civil society was under-represented on panels, in committees, and key decision-making positions - everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on that critical point; this statement supports "equality", so we’ve got our hook for that key civil society goal in here too. The last minute (significantly weakening or) insertion of new text, for which there was no consensus or previous discussion, by powerful interests (generally Hollywood, Government, ICANN) on the document’s most controversial issues was one of the process’ biggest break down points. Even with the serious process issues and painful losses on specific language in the text on the most controversial issues, on balance, this document is a pretty good starting point for further discussions on Internet governance and its positive evolution. On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Here’s my take on the Netmundial outcome document > http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/04/27/netmundial-moves-net-governance-beyond-wsis/ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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States have not helped independent users to speak-up. We now are back to reality, i.e. to RFC 6852/OpenStand: global communities economies decide of the technologies. The John Lapise's comment on your site is pertinent, except that the game now for Edge Providers is not to learn diplomacy, but to teach the US law and commercial treaties (e.g. TAFTA), to allied States and the world. The fundamental winner seems to be Google. Civil Society looks being a superficial non-loser, i.e. a useful idiot. Deafening are the Russian and Chinese silences. IMHO, only one thing counted: a definitive commitment to network neutrality. Network US-legal-non-neutrality won. Acta est fabula. The network has been fragmented among multistake/share/statusholders. jfc -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun Apr 27 21:14:54 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 06:44:54 +0530 Subject: [governance] FINAL VERSION OF THE Netmundial DOCUMENT In-Reply-To: References: <7e3359d88c0d48cabb12deebe90e5999@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Let us say that "useful idiot" is a very apt description of a class of civil society whose goals you say we're not met by this outcome document are those who were not willing to find consensus and instead concentrated on conflict, political maneuvring and any other generally unproductive behavior. Nor did they apparently invest too much time in finding out what the consensus is. Which entirely fails to surprise me about how the outcome language didn't match their ideologically loaded cant. --srs (iPad) > On 28-Apr-2014, at 6:11, Jefsey wrote: > > At 21:36 27/04/2014, Milton L Mueller wrote: >> Here's my take on the Netmundial outcome document >> http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/04/27/netmundial-moves-net-governance-beyond-wsis/ > > It seems that you now have to chose between US industry and global civil society interests. States have not helped independent users to speak-up. We now are back to reality, i.e. to RFC 6852/OpenStand: global communities economies decide of the technologies. > > The John Lapise's comment on your site is pertinent, except that the game now for Edge Providers is not to learn diplomacy, but to teach the US law and commercial treaties (e.g. TAFTA), to allied States and the world. The fundamental winner seems to be Google. Civil Society looks being a superficial non-loser, i.e. a useful idiot. Deafening are the Russian and Chinese silences. > > IMHO, only one thing counted: a definitive commitment to network neutrality. Network US-legal-non-neutrality won. Acta est fabula. The network has been fragmented among multistake/share/statusholders. > > jfc > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracey at traceynaughton.com Sun Apr 27 22:54:09 2014 From: tracey at traceynaughton.com (Tracey Naughton) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:54:09 +1000 Subject: [governance] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12FA0734-640A-4383-BCEF-98CF0DBBFAF1@traceynaughton.com> Thanks Izumi, Your remarks are so true. Progress has been made. Multi-stakeholderism is evolving. Congratulations to you all! Tracey On 27 Apr 2014, at 9:44 pm, Izumi AIZU wrote: > A little reflection > > Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing ovations. > > Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the first ones at the first WSIS process. > > At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members were not given much role other than making statements within limited and controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". > > Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by other stakeholders. > They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. > > It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. > > In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. > > I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have a lot to achieve. > > Now, going forward! > > izumi > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From omomeji at gmail.com Sun Apr 27 23:20:06 2014 From: omomeji at gmail.com (Abdul Jaleel Shittu) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:20:06 +0800 Subject: [governance] FINAL VERSION OF THE Netmundial DOCUMENT In-Reply-To: <7e3359d88c0d48cabb12deebe90e5999@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> References: <7e3359d88c0d48cabb12deebe90e5999@EX13-MBX-13.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: NETmundial meeting re-echos needs for IT/IS (computer science and Information systems) communities to work together, be it from technical, theories and other. The policy makers in the NET do not just discuss technical stuff but the policy that will determine future of our Internet. The world will be looking towards a comprehensive IT Policy and strategy that can withstand the test of time, and give hope to the net users On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Here’s my take on the Netmundial outcome document > > > http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/04/27/netmundial-moves-net-governance-beyond-wsis/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- .................................................. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From divina.meigs at orange.fr Sun Apr 27 23:46:08 2014 From: divina.meigs at orange.fr (divina.meigs) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 05:46:08 +0200 Subject: [governance] : what about promoting media and information literacy? Message-ID: Dear all I appreciate Izumi¹s long range perspective, as an early actor in the process myself, from the WSIS days. And like him I rejoice in the progress we, as civil society voices, have made not only in process but also in access and content provision. I feel that our lobbying efforts over time and our consistency has started to bring its fruits to our efforts and it is a good thing that new entrants are able to contribute as well. The final outcome document does reflect indeed some of our own input as shaped by years of meetings at the Internet Governance Forum and we should congratulate all of us for having made our core issues part of the global debate, beyond conversation. At this stage, to gain extra momentum and to scale up, I think that we need to raise awareness among the ranks of citizens, and particularly among young people. Technical issues of surveillance cannot be dissociated from social issues of surveillance ; technical issues of data mining cannot be dissociated from social issues of data mining; technical issues of coding and design cannot be dissociated from social issues of coding and designŠ For me then, digital literacy together with media and information literacy are crucial and urgent, as part of core 21st century skills. I wish it had been an integral part of the discussion at NetMundial as only an informed citizenry can claim for more social justice and put pressure on governments and private sector to push for more diversity, openness and to end monopolies and unfair practices. To be fully understood and to move forward, the internet governance agenda needs to push for 21st century literacies, beyond the so-called prerogative of the states in the matter of education that can only lead to more illectronism. To scale up our actions as civil society, many global initiatives in 21st century skills need to be supported and sustained. I invite you to pay attention to the Global Alliance for Partnerships on Media and Information Literacy, GAPMIL, a joint initiative that brings together key stakeholders such as UNESCO, UNAOC, UNICEF, Open Society Foundation and other partners in international development as well as NGOs and Universities. It will hold its next meeting in Paris, on 28th of May. Best Divina Frau-Meigs Professor, Sorbonne Nouvelle University UNESCO chair « savoir devenir/forwardances in durable digital development » De : Izumi AIZU Répondre à : , Izumi AIZU Date : dimanche 27 avril 2014 13:44 À : governance , "" Objet : [governance] A little reflection Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing ovations. Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the first ones at the first WSIS process. At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members were not given much role other than making statements within limited and controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by other stakeholders. They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have a lot to achieve. Now, going forward! izumi -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Mon Apr 28 06:54:15 2014 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:54:15 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] : what about promoting media and information literacy? References: Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A80164220D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi, good to see that a discussion has start around a more strategic perspective. To get the real picture (and progress) one should remember not only WSIS ten years ago but also the UN Summit on Human Rights in Vienna 20 years ago. It was in 1993. I was there. It was a big meeting but governments and NGOs were totally separated. NGOs had no access to the main conference rooms (and certainly not to working and drafting groups). Civil society and NGOs had their isolated meetings in the basement of the UN Vienna Conference center. There were two different entrance doors. A checkpoint between the basement and the first floor was like the Berlin Wall where nobody could pass without a governmental badge. At this time we made some jokes about this setting because we argued that we will "undermine" this design by coming "from the bottom". If you see now, that Nenna gave the most remarkable speech in the opening of Net Mundial and Jeanette and Adam presented the outcome document then you see that change is possible. But more has to be done http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Conference_on_Human_Rights It is also worth to remember the Cardozo report from 2004. It was mainly ignored by the governments of the UN Member States in the General Assembly and its recommendations are nearly forgotton. But it makes sense to remember this part of the history and to move forward. http://www.unog.ch/80256EDD006B8954/(httpAssets)/09916F545454357BC1256F5C005D4352/$file/A-58-817.pdf I fully support Divinas proposal that more young people has to become involved in CS Internet Governance circles. That is their future and they have to develop the skills needed to be effective (and able to find rough consensus) in a multistakeholder environment. And one should not be afraid ig there are different positions within the CS. You have similar (even broader) conflicts among governments and even within the private sector you have a broad range of different approaches (inter alaoa among TNCs and SMEs). Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von divina.meigs Gesendet: Mo 28.04.2014 05:46 An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU; Betreff: Re: [governance] : what about promoting media and information literacy? Dear all I appreciate Izumi's long range perspective, as an early actor in the process myself, from the WSIS days. And like him I rejoice in the progress we, as civil society voices, have made not only in process but also in access and content provision. I feel that our lobbying efforts over time and our consistency has started to bring its fruits to our efforts and it is a good thing that new entrants are able to contribute as well. The final outcome document does reflect indeed some of our own input as shaped by years of meetings at the Internet Governance Forum and we should congratulate all of us for having made our core issues part of the global debate, beyond conversation. At this stage, to gain extra momentum and to scale up, I think that we need to raise awareness among the ranks of citizens, and particularly among young people. Technical issues of surveillance cannot be dissociated from social issues of surveillance ; technical issues of data mining cannot be dissociated from social issues of data mining; technical issues of coding and design cannot be dissociated from social issues of coding and design... For me then, digital literacy together with media and information literacy are crucial and urgent, as part of core 21st century skills. I wish it had been an integral part of the discussion at NetMundial as only an informed citizenry can claim for more social justice and put pressure on governments and private sector to push for more diversity, openness and to end monopolies and unfair practices. To be fully understood and to move forward, the internet governance agenda needs to push for 21st century literacies, beyond the so-called prerogative of the states in the matter of education that can only lead to more illectronism. To scale up our actions as civil society, many global initiatives in 21st century skills need to be supported and sustained. I invite you to pay attention to the Global Alliance for Partnerships on Media and Information Literacy, GAPMIL, a joint initiative that brings together key stakeholders such as UNESCO, UNAOC, UNICEF, Open Society Foundation and other partners in international development as well as NGOs and Universities. It will hold its next meeting in Paris, on 28th of May. Best Divina Frau-Meigs Professor, Sorbonne Nouvelle University UNESCO chair savoir devenir/forwardances in durable digital development De : Izumi AIZU Rpondre : , Izumi AIZU Date : dimanche 27 avril 2014 13:44 : governance , "" Objet : [governance] A little reflection Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing ovations. Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the first ones at the first WSIS process. At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members were not given much role other than making statements within limited and controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by other stakeholders. They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have a lot to achieve. Now, going forward! izumi -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From becky.lentz at mcgill.ca Mon Apr 28 10:39:08 2014 From: becky.lentz at mcgill.ca (Becky Lentz, Dr.) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:39:08 +0000 Subject: [governance] What about promoting media and information literacy? Message-ID: <4562DF2F52066C4F8B1EE3A35B808D6536EC1A02@EXMBX2010-7.campus.MCGILL.CA> Dear Colleagues, There is an emerging international group of scholars working explicitly on this issue, some in partnership with members of this community. If you're interested in sharing your own needs, stories, work, and even interest in collaboration related to media/info/tech policy literacy, please email me off-list so as not to clutter this forum with details about this and also forthcoming publications/articles/workshops. In the meantime, here's a related blogpost featuring an extract of some of this research on US policy advcoacy capacity building: http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2013/beneath_the_glitz_of_digital_activism-93204 best, Becky Lentz, McGill University -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lucabelli at hotmail.it Mon Apr 28 11:31:42 2014 From: lucabelli at hotmail.it (Luca Belli) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:31:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] Call for Papers - DC Net Neutrality Report Message-ID: Dear all (apologies for cross-posting), Please find below (and in attachment) the Call for Papers for the annual Report of the Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality. Submission are due on 1st July 2014. Feel free to circulate this call. Best regards, Luca PS: FYI the 2013 Report on “The Value of Network Neutrality for the Internet of Tomorrow” is available here http://www.networkneutrality.info/sources.html Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality Call for Papers Network Neutrality: Regulatory Tendencies, Peering Agreements & Infrastructure Enhancement Background: The network neutrality debate is gaining great political momentum. Several countries have already implemented network neutrality laws, while many others are currently elaborating or scrutinising the opportunity to elaborate network neutrality legislation. Yet, we are witnessing today the emergence of a variety of divergent (and somewhat incompatible) approaches towards whether or not network neutrality is enshrined in law. In the U.S., the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeal invalidated the U.S. FCC Open Internet Order. On the other hand, the Brazilian National Congress has recently adopted the Marco Civil an Internet Bill of Rights containing network neutrality provisions, while at the European level net-neutrality is going to be enshrined into legislation but the outcome of this latter process seem currently difficult to predict. While the network neutrality debate continues, Internet Service Providers (ISPs) may enter into opaque interconnection-arrangements (peering agreements) that might include discriminatory provisions. In the U.S., for instance, Content and Applications Providers (CAPs) have been experimenting new typology of peering agreements that require CAPs to pay ISPs for a direct connection to their consumers (so called “sender-pays” model). The aforementioned issues seem difficult to solve without a serious reflection aimed at allowing the elaboration of evidence-based strategies. The 2014 Report of the Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality aims at fostering such a reflection in order to provide a valuable contribution to the crucial debate pertaining to the balance between network-neutrality implementation and infrastructure enhancement. Call: The Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality, established under the auspices of the United Nations Internet Governance Forum, invites researchers and practitioners to submit a position paper pertaining to the issue of net neutrality and regulatory tendencies. Suggested topics include analyses of, inter alia: · DC Circuit Court of Appeal Decision on the FCC Open Internet Order · European Union’s draft, Connected Continent Regulation, as amended by the European Parliament · Brazilian Marco Civil · Venezuela’s Internet Crackdown · Turkey’s Social-Network Blocking · Peering Agreements · Comcast-Netflix Deal · National/Regional/Local Network Enhancement Policies · Availability and implementation of remedies by regulatory authorities, when access providers have implemented anti-competitive non-neutral policies. Submission Guidelines: Research papers, including analytical and theoretical papers, position papers, or case studies will be considered for inclusion in the report, even if they have been previously published. The length of the submissions should be between 2500 and 5000 words. To facilitate the reviewing process, papers should not include author names or other information that would help identify the authors. All paper shall be in English language, and formatted according to the HWPiL style template. Submissions are due on 1st July, 2014. They should include the following elements: · Title · Short abstract (250 words) · Original contribution · Author’s name, affiliation and short bibliographical note (in the body of the email). Submissions should be sent to contact at networkneutrality.info Authors will be notified within approximately two weeks from the deadline as to the status of their contributions. All submitted papers will be subject to a rigorous double-blind peer review, whereby each paper will be reviewed by at least two reviewers. Everyone who submitted a paper will be asked to peer review another submission, which will be judged according to the novelty of the contribution, the theoretical soundness and the quality of presentation. Authors will be given the opportunity to improve their contributions based on peer comments. Selected papers will be published into the Dynamic Coalition report, which will be published under Open Access conditions. All authors must ensure that their contribution can be licensed under one of the Creative Commons licenses of their choice. Some of the authors will also be invited (at their own expenses) to present their work at the first DC meeting to be held at the United Nation Internet Governance Forum, from 2 to 5 September 2014, in Istanbul (Turkey). Luca Belli PhD Candidate in Public Law CERSA, Université Panthéon-Assas, Paris 2 Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Call for Papers DC NN 2014.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 246996 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From divina.meigs at orange.fr Mon Apr 28 13:13:21 2014 From: divina.meigs at orange.fr (Divina MEIGS) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:13:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: AW: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?=3A_what_about_=C2=A0promoting_med?= =?UTF-8?Q?ia_and_information_literacy=3F?= In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A80164220D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A80164220D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <2045176777.20085.1398705201395.JavaMail.www@wwinf1g30> thank you Wolfgang for your historical perspective. i for one have always defended a human rights based approach to digital media and information literacy. There is a lot in this approach to touch young people whose practices lead them to be confronted to human rights issues not as dry top-down principles but as bottom-up ethics. If we want civil society to move forward and to be active in a way that calls the attention of both business (consumers) and government (voters), young people are key as they tend to be the major focus of global digital media... best divina > Message du 28/04/14 12:58 > De : ""Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"" > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "divina.meigs" , governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Izumi AIZU" , bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > Copie à : > Objet : AW: [governance] : what about  promoting media and information literacy? > > Hi, > > good to see that a discussion has start around a more strategic perspective. > > To get the real picture (and progress) one should remember not only WSIS ten years ago but also the UN Summit on Human Rights in Vienna 20 years ago. It was in 1993. I was there. It was a big meeting but governments and NGOs were totally separated. NGOs had no access to the main conference rooms (and certainly not to working and drafting groups). Civil society and NGOs had their isolated meetings in the basement of the UN Vienna Conference center. There were two different entrance doors. A checkpoint between the basement and the first floor was like the Berlin Wall where nobody could pass without a governmental badge. At this time we made some jokes about this setting because we argued that we will "undermine" this design by coming "from the bottom". If you see now, that Nenna gave the most remarkable speech in the opening of Net Mundial and Jeanette and Adam presented the outcome document then you see that change is possible. But more has to be done > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Conference_on_Human_Rights > > It is also worth to remember the Cardozo report from 2004. It was mainly ignored by the governments of the UN Member States in the General Assembly and its recommendations are nearly forgotton. But it makes sense to remember this part of the history and to move forward. > http://www.unog.ch/80256EDD006B8954/(httpAssets)/09916F545454357BC1256F5C005D4352/$file/A-58-817.pdf > > I fully support Divinas proposal that more young people has to become involved in CS Internet Governance circles. That is their future and they have to develop the skills needed to be effective (and able to find rough consensus) in a multistakeholder environment. And one should not be afraid ig there are different positions within the CS. You have similar (even broader) conflicts among governments and even within the private sector you have a broad range of different approaches (inter alaoa among TNCs and SMEs). > > Wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von divina.meigs > Gesendet: Mo 28.04.2014 05:46 > An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU; > Betreff: Re: [governance] : what about promoting media and information literacy? > > > Dear all > I appreciate Izumi's long range perspective, as an early actor in the process myself, from the WSIS days. And like him I rejoice in the progress we, as civil society voices, have made not only in process but also in access and content provision. > > I feel that our lobbying efforts over time and our consistency has started to bring its fruits to our efforts and it is a good thing that new entrants are able to contribute as well. The final outcome document does reflect indeed some of our own input as shaped by years of meetings at the Internet Governance Forum and we should congratulate all of us for having made our core issues part of the global debate, beyond conversation. > > At this stage, to gain extra momentum and to scale up, I think that we need to raise awareness among the ranks of citizens, and particularly among young people. Technical issues of surveillance cannot be dissociated from social issues of surveillance ; technical issues of data mining cannot be dissociated from social issues of data mining; technical issues of coding and design cannot be dissociated from social issues of coding and design... > > For me then, digital literacy together with media and information literacy are crucial and urgent, as part of core 21st century skills. I wish it had been an integral part of the discussion at NetMundial as only an informed citizenry can claim for more social justice and put pressure on governments and private sector to push for more diversity, openness and to end monopolies and unfair practices. > > To be fully understood and to move forward, the internet governance agenda needs to push for 21st century literacies, beyond the so-called prerogative of the states in the matter of education that can only lead to more illectronism. To scale up our actions as civil society, many global initiatives in 21st century skills need to be supported and sustained. I invite you to pay attention to the Global Alliance for Partnerships on Media and Information Literacy, GAPMIL, a joint initiative that brings together key stakeholders such as UNESCO, UNAOC, UNICEF, Open Society Foundation and other partners in international development as well as NGOs and Universities. It will hold its next meeting in Paris, on 28th of May. > > Best > Divina Frau-Meigs > Professor, Sorbonne Nouvelle University > UNESCO chair savoir devenir/forwardances in durable digital development > > > > De : Izumi AIZU > Rpondre : , Izumi AIZU > Date : dimanche 27 avril 2014 13:44 > : governance , "" > Objet : [governance] > > > A little reflection > > > Like some of you, I was thinking how far we came from INET/IFWP/ICANN/WSIS/WGIG/IGF days to NETMundial when Adam and Jeanette were reading the final outcome statement and receiving strong standing ovations. > > Adam and Jeanette were the 2nd or 3rd generation of the Co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, at the days of WSIS Tunis phase if I am not mistaken. YJ Park and Wolfgang Kleinwacther were the first ones at the first WSIS process. > > At the initial WSIS process. not only them, but most Civil Society members were not given much role other than making statements within limited and controlled frameworks. Yes we had the bureau, made negotiations with government reps, but not in the MSH modality of say "working together". By and large, we were the "outsiders" trying to lobby "them". > > > Compared with that, civil society members in the EMC and HLMC were "insiders" and often "lobbied" by not only other CS members but also by other stakeholders. > They were taking the lead in the drafting sessions. IF they, or all of us, CS members were not there, there would be no NETMundial and its outcome. > > > It is not their (CS members at EMC and HLMC) efforts per se, but, but our collective energy, blood sweat and tears, tough and sharp arguments among CS circle, engagement, passion, patience, all of these that resulted in building-up of the credibility we today got at NETMundial. > > > In that regard, I would say, congratulations to Adam and Jeanette, but also to Nnenna, Marilia, Carlos, Stephanie, Luis, Subi and all others who worked hard in NETMundial process including those who did not get the explicit role, but nevertheless played important roles here and there. > > > I felt we are maturing and making good progress. Of course, we still have a lot to achieve. > > > Now, going forward! > > > izumi > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I'd like to propose considering singling out the 'policy' dimension in the evolution of this conversation, i.e., being more explicit that what we're talking about is literacy 'about' the policymaking and policy advocacy aspects of this field. With some very important exceptions, media education and media literacy conversations, traditionally, seem to have been captured by a protectionist and/or a skills agenda...how to 'use' media and technology more skillfully, carefully, etc. In the five years I've been teaching 'media governance' at an international university, I'm still amazed at students from development studies, political science, sociology, and other disciplines who say that they never heard about 'this' policy studies area, until taking my courses. After exposure, they're keen to get involved, but what's the 'path' for this? Some started a campus-based chapter of openmedia.ca as one step while still in university. Others have gone on to intern and so on, but again, few of the NGOs in this field have outreach programs that allow academics to facilitate linking their students with experiential opportunities to learn more. Diplo does some of this, as we know, but it's aimed primarily at diplomats, not university students keen to get involved in the future of the internet as they are eager to imagine it. At the same time, many NGOs have considerable human resource needs that continue to go unfunded. There is a way to work on this, if we make it an area 'to be worked on.' By comparison, the environmental protection, public health, and human rights policy fields enjoy much more infrastructure for educating about the policy dimensions of their sectors...so, environmental literacy might mean becoming more aware of the environment, but there's also an educational and professional path (even degree programs, certificates, etc.) to pursue if one is interested in becoming part of that field as a career path. And as we know, "human rights education" (HRE) is a mini-industry of its own with sustainable funding from the UN to advance its goals, agendas, etc. Many groups incorporate policy literacy in their work, so why not make more explicit partnerships between academia (where the younger folks someone mentioned already 'are') with NGOs doing policy work so that we can cultivate a stronger 'pipeline/feeder system/pathway' TO media policy advocacy in the public interest? I guess what I'm suggesting is that we consider talking about 'information, communication, technology, and media (ICT+M) policy literacy' to begin to try to address the capacity building challenges inherent in ICT+M policy change, more broadly. What about a new IGF dynamic coalition around 'capacity building', that includes ICT+M policy literacy? That said, what parts of existing dynamic coalitions are already explicitly dealing with capacity building programs, issues, agendas? Might there be a way to connect that work horizontally across DN's? Becky Lentz McGill University [X] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From remmyn at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 11:20:05 2014 From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:20:05 +0100 Subject: [governance] What about promoting media and information POLICY literacy? Suggestion: "ICT+M policy literacy" In-Reply-To: <4562DF2F52066C4F8B1EE3A35B808D6536EC2222@EXMBX2010-7.campus.MCGILL.CA> References: <4562DF2F52066C4F8B1EE3A35B808D6536EC2222@EXMBX2010-7.campus.MCGILL.CA> Message-ID: Thanks Becky for this heads up. It sounds interest for exploit. I am interested in even exploring your course outline too. regards On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Becky Lentz, Dr. wrote: > This is a fantastic discussion thread and long overdue. However, I'd > like to propose considering singling out the 'policy' dimension in the > evolution of this conversation, i.e., being more explicit that what we're > talking about is literacy 'about' the policymaking and policy advocacy > aspects of this field. > > With some very important exceptions, media education and media literacy > conversations, traditionally, seem to have been captured by a protectionist > and/or a skills agenda...how to 'use' media and technology more > skillfully, carefully, etc. In the five years I've been teaching 'media > governance' at an international university, I'm still amazed at students > from development studies, political science, sociology, and other > disciplines who say that they never heard about 'this' policy studiesarea, > until taking my courses. After exposure, they're keen to get involved, > but what's the 'path' for this? Some started a campus-based chapter of > openmedia.ca as one step while still in university. Others have gone on > to intern and so on, but again, few of the NGOs in this field have outreach > programs that allow academics to facilitate linking their students with > experiential opportunities to learn more. Diplo does some of this, as we > know, but it's aimed primarily at diplomats, not university students keen > to get involved in the future of the internet as they are eager to imagine > it. At the same time, many NGOs have considerable human resource needs that > continue to go unfunded. There is a way to work on this, if we make it an > area 'to be worked on.' > > By comparison, the environmental protection, public health, and human > rights policy fields enjoy much more infrastructure for educating about the > policy dimensions of their sectors...so, environmental literacy might > mean becoming more aware of the environment, but there's also an > educational and professional path (even degree programs, certificates, > etc.) to pursue if one is interested in becoming part of that field as a > career path. And as we know, "human rights education" (HRE) is a > mini-industry of its own with sustainable funding from the UN to advance > its goals, agendas, etc. Many groups incorporate policy literacy in their > work, so why not make more explicit partnerships between academia (where > the younger folks someone mentioned already 'are') with NGOs doing policy > work so that we can cultivate a stronger 'pipeline/feeder system/pathway' > TO media policy advocacy in the public interest? > > I guess what I'm suggesting is that we consider talking about > 'information, communication, technology, *and* media (ICT+M) *policy* > literacy' to begin to try to address the capacity building challenges > inherent in ICT+M policy change, more broadly. What about a new IGF dynamic > coalition around 'capacity building', that includes ICT+M policy literacy? > That said, what parts of existing dynamic coalitions are already explicitly > dealing with capacity building programs, issues, agendas? Might there be a > way to connect that work horizontally across DN's? > > Becky Lentz > McGill University > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- REMMY NWEKE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd (publishers of) DigitalSENSE Business News; ITREALMS, NaijaAgroNet (Multiple-award winning medium) Published by: DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms [Member, NIRA Executive Board] Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria NDS Forum on Internet Governance for Development (IG4D) 2014< http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng>- June 5 Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable 2014 - June 6 @Welcome Centre Hotels. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lorena at collaboratory.de Tue Apr 29 16:19:45 2014 From: lorena at collaboratory.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:19:45 +0200 Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1 In-Reply-To: <535FF805.8000600@softwarefreedom.org> References: <711E9EB7F5E943F5A59A34D6E8BA98C7@Toshiba> <80721637783F4D14A2432596FE7A49C1@Toshiba> <0B507AA0-EBE9-4329-BCD0-CCB9A63FD867@mail.utoronto.ca> <120D1577-CF06-4CB9-9FEB-C3F21F933A0D@glocom.ac.jp> <535BCA67.8070308@wzb.eu> <01BE62EF8F934D26A1BB69F0E21F4718@Toshiba> <535FF805.8000600@softwarefreedom.org> Message-ID: +1 +congratulations Jeanette Hofmann and all other civil society, academia & technical community representatives you made multistakeholder a fact. Sure, there is room for improvement (the multistakeholder model is still a baby) but with your work it is definitely here to stay. Thanks to you and also to all predecesors who seeded the path! 2014-04-29 21:05 GMT+02:00 Mishi Choudhary : > > > I completely agree with Jeanette's suggestions. We had great ideas but > lacked coordination and did not suggest concrete wording. > > We should divide responsibility amongst each other for specific topics > and have a team working on alternative language. The team should have > already done in-depth work on understanding the stance of other > stakeholders at other fora including the UN on that particular topic. > The CS chairs need to be assisted the way business reps were assisting > their person. There needs to be real time coordination between the reps > , the team working on a specific issue and lawyers' who can advise on > alternative proposals along with other contributors. > > > > > > On 04/26/2014 04:28 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Thanks for that Jeanette, that fills in a lot of detail. And having > > observed you working during the final drafting compilation session (or > > at least we thought it was) I know you would not have given in on some > > of these points easily. There will probably be a few other things > > about the HLMC and its composition (50% government) we could look at > > in refining the model. > > > > You mentioned two things which I quote below as good lessons for us to > > learn > > > > 1. (Jeanette's words) In other parts, civil society could have done > > better by simply > > submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by > > several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions > > were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific > > paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! > > > > IP - I agree completely. (even if some of the specific words we did > > come up with made it through the multistakeholder drafting process but > > got killed at the HLMC) > > > > 2. (Jeanette's words) > > Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be > > more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become > > more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting > > comes up. > > > > IP - I agree again. > > > > 3. My first suggestion. It would be helpful in a two day meeting > > structure if we could start discussing the text before 5.30pm on Day > > One. The time lost through endless speeches and plenaries and running > > overtime on first day was not helpful. > > > > 4. My second suggestion. The time allowed for drafting was > > insufficient. As in most writing situations, a second draft for > > comment is useful. And the opportunity to comment on a final draft > > before publication and final endorsement would also be useful. That > > might take more time and such a process might actually need another > > day. But it would lead to better outcomes. > > > > Anyway - we did really well in many ways, but yes we can learn from > > this experience. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Hofmann > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:01 AM > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; best Bits > > Subject: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1 > > > > From my perspective, it is not correct to say that the process was not > > open. There were many people in the room when we modified the text after > > the first and the second set of track sessions. > > > > During the second drafting session on the afternoon of the 24th there > > were conversations taking place as to whether or not the HLMC would > > insist on a final round of looking at the draft statement before it > > would be announced. I don't know where this conversation took place and > > who exactly talked to whom but the result was that the governments > > engaged in the HLMC wanted to see the document beforehand. In a way this > > was only fair since they were tasked with "setting the tone" of the text. > > > > That last session before we presented the statement was semi-public. > > Many people were in the room and listened in to the discussion among > > people around the table. The people around the table were members of > > HLMC but also session chairs such as Anriette and me and the board. > > > > What happened there is that some governments expressed vetos to specific > > wording of the draft doc. One country expressed reservations to the > > entire document. The ICANN CEO wanted one sentence to be changed and > > one word removed. At that point, it seemed at least to me that the > > process was about to collapse. The only chance to prevent the whole > > process from failing was to remove or tone down certain paragraphs. > > > > What I got to understand during the text editing process is that many if > > not all governments would not be able to go beyond text and positions > > that are part of agreed language as expressed in UN resolutions etc. The > > gov reps simply don't have the mandate or authority to go beyond agreed > > language in areas that matter to them. > > > > Frankly, I don't find this surprising. Multistakeholder implies taking > > into account the constraints of the other stakeholders. Within the > > process of collectively drafting a statement, such limits obviously > > become very visible. > > > > So, the best we could do during the editing process is phrasing our > > positions in ways that would resonate with established multilateral > > language. In some areas, this worked quite well. The obvious example is > > the UN resolution on privacy in the digital age. Here we could clearly > > go beyond that what the private sector wanted to see in the document. > > > > Some of the last minute changes could have been prevented if we had > > better understood the limits of what government reps in this process can > > do. > > > > In other parts, civil society could have done better by simply > > submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by > > several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions > > were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific > > paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording! > > > > Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be > > more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become > > more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting > > comes up. > > > > Jeanette > > > > Am 26.04.14 19:30, schrieb Adam Peake: > >> The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a > >> shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the > >> drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it > >> wasn't thought of at the time. > >> > >> Adam > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote: > >> > >>> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good > >>> reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute > >>> rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is > >>> actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the > >>> list know if it happens. > >>> Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember > >>> that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all > >>> the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do > >>> business. Rome wasn’t built in a day… > >>> Stephanie Perrin > >>> Cheers stephanie > >>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >>> > >>>> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible. > >>>> > >>>> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the > >>>> last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the > >>>> preceding process. > >>>> > >>>> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to > >>>> observers? > >>>> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me). > >>>> > >>>> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar > >>>> event, to use the > >>>> online tool, I mean online Notepad. > >>>> > >>>> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put > >>>> the text on the screen, > >>>> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google > >>>> Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone > >>>> online can see the process of changing > >>>> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes. > >>>> > >>>> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in > >>>> different rooms of the same > >>>> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work, > >>>> that make it transparent. > >>>> > >>>> Just a suggestion. > >>>> > >>>> izumi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter : > >>>> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a > >>>> really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we > >>>> could not have worked together so well at the main event. > >>>> > >>>> From: Ian Peter > >>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM > >>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > >>>> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1 > >>>> > >>>> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and > >>>> long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this > >>>> conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really > >>>> worked incredibly well together – far more so than other > >>>> constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented > >>>> and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and > >>>> consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a > >>>> willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand > >>>> down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc. > >>>> great team work. > >>>> > >>>> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very > >>>> interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder > >>>> consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and > >>>> there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I > >>>> might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head. > >>>> So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth > >>>> repeating. > >>>> > >>>> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there > >>>> were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was > >>>> very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the > >>>> formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and > >>>> passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This > >>>> was an example of some governmental players being more equal than > >>>> others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than > >>>> multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh > >>>> well. In time I might say more about the detail of that. > >>>> > >>>> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to > >>>> be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our > >>>> Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees, > >>>> did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did. > >>>> They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of > >>>> praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who > >>>> represented us, I must say job extremely well done. > >>>> > >>>> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work > >>>> everyone, really worthwhile event. > >>>> > >>>> Ian Peter > >>>> > >>>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>>> > >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>>> > >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>>> > >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>>> > >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> >> Izumi Aizu << > >>>> > >>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > >>>> > >>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > >>>> Japan > >>>> * * * * * > >>>> << Writing the Future of the History >> > >>>> www.anr.org > >>>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>>> > >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>>> > >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- > Warm Regards > Mishi Choudhary, Esq. > Legal Director > Software Freedom Law Center > 1995 Broadway Floor 17 > New York, NY-10023 > (tel) 212-461-1912 > (fax) 212-580-0898 > www.softwarefreedom.org > > > Executive Director > SFLC.IN > K-9, Second Floor > Jangpura Extn. > New Delhi-110014 > (tel) +91-11-43587126 > (fax) +91-11-24323530 > www.sflc.in > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- Lorena Jaume-Palasí, M.A. ∙ Coordinator of the Global Internet Governance (GIG) Ohu Internet & Gesellschaft Co:llaboratory e.V. www.collaboratory.de ∙ Newsletter ∙ Facebook ∙ Twitter ∙ Youtube -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The first such event since the recent NetMundial conference. joly posted: "Today Wednesday 30 April 2014, from 9:30am-2pm EDT, the Washington DC Chapter of the Internet Society (ISOC-DC) and the Institute for International Economic Policy, George Washington University will present Scenarios for the Future of Internet Governance " [image: ISOC-DC - Internet Governance]Today *Wednesday 30 April 2014*, from *9:30am-2pm* EDT, the Washington DC Chapter of the Internet Society (ISOC-DC) and the Institute for International Economic Policy, George Washington Universitywill present *Scenarios for the Future of Internet Governance*- a dual-panel conference on the proposed IANA transition . Speakers include *Fiona Alexander*of the NTIA, *Milton Mueller* of the NCUC, *Richard Jimmerson* of ARIN, and ISOC's own *Raquel Gatto* from Brazil. The event will be webcast live via the Internet Society livestream channel . *What*: Scenarios for the Future of Internet Governance *Where*: GWU, Washington DC *When*: Wednesday 30 April 2014, 9:30am-2pm EDT | 1330-1800 UTC *Agenda*: http://www.isoc-dc.org/2014/04/isoc-dc-event-scenarios-for-the-future-of-internet-governance/ *Webcast*: https://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/internetscenarios *Twitter*: @isocdc | @iiepgw | #iana Comment See all comments *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/6583 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anriette ------------- MONTREAL, Canada, Mar 26 *Deadline has been extended to 5 May.* The APC Chris Nicol FLOSS Prize recognises initiatives that are making it easy for people to start using free/libre and open source software (FLOSS). The prize will be awarded to a person or group doing extraordinary work to make FLOSS accessible to ordinary computer users. The APC FLOSS Prize has been established to honour Chris Nicol, a longtime FLOSS advocate and activist who for many years worked with APC. Extraordinary initiatives that promote FLOSS are those that: * Improve the accessibility to, knowledge of and/or usability of FLOSS * Are user-oriented * Are documented so that others can learn from and replicate the model * Have demonstrable impact and have increased the number of people using FLOSS on a day-to-day basis. The successful initiative will be awarded a cash prize of USD 4,000 at a reception event in Barcelona, Spain on 6 June 2014. In addition to the global prize, APC will also be recognising exceptional work in FLOSS promotion with a USD 1,500 award to an individual or organisation from within its network. The prize is open to any person or group anywhere in the world who supports or promotes user-oriented free and open source software. The application form must be completed in either English or Spanish; however, there are no language restrictions regarding the language of the project. Small-scale activities are encouraged to apply. *Nominations for the prize will be collected until 5 May 2014 at midnight UTC.* *About Chris Nicol* Chris Nicol, an Australian educator and activist who made Barcelona his home in the early 1980s, was a member of the APC community from the mid-1990s until his untimely death on 29 August 2005. Chris believed that computers and the internet should be used for making the world a better place and that FLOSS was a way in which the communications for social change movement could integrate sustainable and alternative choices in its use and development of tools and technology. flossprize.apc.org *About the Association For Progressive Communications (APC)* The Association for Progressive Communications (APC) is an international network and non-profit organisation founded in 1990 that wants everyone to have access to a free and open internet to improve lives and create a more just world. apc.org *Media contact* Mallory Knodel Montreal +1514-573-6340 mallory at apc.org (END/2014) -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From geetha at cis-india.org Wed Apr 30 14:52:25 2014 From: geetha at cis-india.org (Geetha Hariharan) Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 00:22:25 +0530 Subject: [governance] Financial reporting and transparency at APNIC In-Reply-To: <5360CBB4.30600@cis-india.org> References: <5360CBB4.30600@cis-india.org> Message-ID: <53614669.50501@cis-india.org> Dear all, Please find below an account of a conversation over at the APNIC Talk mailing list regarding financial and activity transparency and reporting. 1. The conversation began with Dave Mead on Saturday (April 26, 2014) addressing Paul Wilson on the APNIC Talk mailing list. Mead referred to Wilson’s talk at the A-Pac Internet Leadership Programme, where Wilson allegedly stated: “Members pay fees to APNIC to support the organisation and the services and they don't give APNIC a blessing to spend that money in unlimited fashion on Internet development” [1]. Mead alleged that Wilson and other senior staff at APNIC utilize members’ fees/funds for business class travel, and denounced this practice as not befitting a not-for-profit Internet development organization. 2. Hanif H. Mohammed of Pakistan supported Mead, and added that APNIC was conducting a training programme on cyber-security, etc. for law enforcement agencies (“LEAs”), utilizing APNIC funds. As LEAs allocate funds of their own for training purposes, Mohammed stated that APNIC should not be spending on their behalf. 3. Skeeve Stevens intervenes and supports APNIC spending, by stating that APNIC staff do very important work and need to be alert and awake at meetings. 4. Masato Yamanishi (APNIC Policy SIG co-chair) reframes the debate: “The real question is whether there were enough outcomes compared to resources spent including costs and man-months”. This gets more support from members, and Dean Pemberton first makes a call for transparency and reporting: “To that end I would support an increased level of financial and activity reporting along the lines Yamanishi-san has suggested. We do see this increased reporting in RIRs and other multistakeholder organisations and they are to be commended for this. This will allow the membership to determine if outputs such as those reported by APNIC at ICANN49 are balanced with the expenditure required to produce them”. Others support this. 5. Tony Smith of APNIC responds by clarifying APNIC’s scope of operations and defending the LEA Training [email attached]. 6. Skeeve Stevens takes a side-dig at B.C. Jain of India, who supported reduced APNIC fees: “With the size of your population, the growth rate of your industry, I really don't see why you have a problem with finances. The NIR of India really should be making enough revenue to pay for itself.” 7. Skeeve Stevens seeks financial reporting from all NIRs within APNIC [email attached]. There was also a side-conversation on the same thread regarding APNIC’s effective representation of Asia and countries in the region: 1. A short series of standoffs between Mohammed and Skeeve Stevens (who voices support for APNIC, its activities and its staff) shows that there is confusion in some minds as to whom the APNIC-EC represents. Mohammed refers, for instance to APNIC offices located in Australia, and questions whether it really represents Asian interests. There are multiple responses to this: Rajesh Chharia asks why APNIC does not have a regional office in South Asia, and invites “Paul and Akinori” to respond. Aftab A. Siddiqui endorses this, referring to the newly opened Dubai office of RIPE-NCC. Others contribute to this as well, noting that Asia has no RIR. 2. In response to all these, Skeeve Stevens provides a long justificatory email, and accuses speakers of “sit[ting] far away, not attend[ing] conferences, not be[ing] involved and criticis[ing] any process and organization” [email attached]. Stevens emphasizes that regional interests take priority and states that those with national interests “will never be taken seriously”. 3. Skeeve Stephens responds by inviting others to look at APNIC-EC [2] and staff composition [3] and states that they effectively represent Asian economies. 4. Masato Yamanishi proposes that APNIC Secretariat should seek members’ approval and priority “about major activities with expected human resources, CAPEX, and OPEX”. He refers to the ARIN and the RIPE-NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2014 [4], where such discussion is held. 5. Dave Mead again makes an intervention asking questions about APNIC’s involvement and support in setting up NIRs. ___ [1] The audio may be found linked from the APNIC event wrap-up here: http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2014/icann-49-event-wrapup. [2] APNIC-EC composition: http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/structure/apnic-executive-council/ec-members. [3] APNIC staff composition: http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/team. [4] RIPE-NCC Budget Plan: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-598. I hope this is useful. 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From: Skeeve Stevens Subject: Re: [apnic-talk] ICANN 49 event wrapup Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:18:03 +1000 Size: 41860 URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Wed Apr 30 15:51:05 2014 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:51:05 +0200 Subject: [governance] APC's response to NETmundial 2014 In-Reply-To: <1730D2C6C18F478D82ECB2944949E780@Toshiba> References: <72FFE465-05FF-43A3-8737-B98FED084065@Malcolm.id.au> <7F5E3A1C-BC6D-4943-9484-92E3AE91A50C@Malcolm.id.au> <1730D2C6C18F478D82ECB2944949E780@Toshiba> Message-ID: <53615429.4030305@apc.org> Dear all Response from the Association for Communications on the outcome of NETMUndial 2014. Anriette http://www.apc.org/en/node/19224/ By (APC) Johannesburg, April 2014 NETmundial was a remarkable and historic event. To give it its due and build on it going forward, it is necessary to acknowledge its achievements as well as its flaws. *Affirming the “publicness” of the internet: Gains and gaps* The NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement represents substantial progress towards public interest-driven internet governance. It recognises the internet as a common resource that should be managed in the public interest. “Public good”, or Neelie Kroes’ term , “global, common, public resource”, would have been preferable, but this is nevertheless a powerful step towards protecting the “publicness” of the internet. Linked to this is affirmation of the value of openness and interoperability, of “permissionless innovation”, and the need to support public access to the internet (one of APC’s priorities). It is disappointing, however, that protection for intermediaries from liability was mentioned not as a precondition of protecting rights such as free expression and association, but as linked to “economic growth, innovation, creativity and free flow of information”. There can be little doubt that this text expresses the interest of the entertainment industry. APC believes this framing opens the door to requiring internet intermediaries to enforce intellectual property rights in ways that interfere with rights to free expression and access to knowledge. Consensus was not reached on network neutrality, or the principle of free flow of information, and non-discriminatory flow of data packets across the network. This was ironic, as this principle was enshrined in the Brazilian Marco Civil da Internet (Civil Rights Framework for the Internet), enacted by President Dilma Rousseff during the opening of NETMundial. While not discounting the commercial interests at stake in avoiding inclusion of network neutrality as a principle, its discussion is also complicated by different definitions of what the concept means, and of how it applies in various contexts. We applaud that the NETmundial Statement roadmap identifies net neutrality as an area for further discussion and look forward to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) taking this up in the near future. We would have liked to see more reference to development, social justice, the integration of the concerns of people from the developing world, and the role the internet can play to support a more just and sustainable world. Quoting from Nnenna Nwakanma’s inspiring opening speech : “The Internet is fast becoming the dominant means for wealth creation. The ‘Right to Development’ needs to include social justice. It is not enough to do a superficial ‘capacity building’ for a few persons. We are looking at a mechanism that allows for the highest number of persons to be included, the largest number of voices to be heard, the widest extent of talents to access innovation, and the deepest creativity of the human minds to flourish. For these, we need to start considering the Internet as public commons.” *Human rights apply offline and online!* NETmundial identified fundamental human rights as key principles for internet governance and states that governments have specific accountability for upholding and protecting individual human rights on the internet. We applaud this, but believe that the roadmap section of the document needed to consider internet-specific aspects of human rights protection in greater detail ‒ in particular, rights which are needed to ensure free expression and association on the internet such as the right to anonymity and the right to use encryption. *Deepening democracy in multi-stakeholder internet governance* A further breakthrough in the document is recognition that internet governance needs to be democratic as well as multi-stakeholder, and that the former is not necessarily synonymous with the latter. It identified the need for mechanisms that ensure accountability, review and redress in internet governance, as well as for gender balance in discussions and decision making. The NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement builds positively on the Tunis Agenda in its recognition that stakeholder groups do not always have fixed roles, but that these “respective roles and responsibilities of stakeholders should be interpreted in a flexible manner with reference to the issue under discussion.” This paves the way for constructive discussion of the specific roles of stakeholders in different parts of the internet governance ecosystem, with reference to the issue and process under discussion. In other words, rather than talk about whether governments should have a role or not, we can focus on what this role is and where and when it is most needed. *Mass surveillance: The elephant that left the room* Most disappointing is that mass surveillance was not condemned more strongly in the final version of the Statement, with some of the governmental participants insisting at the last minute that the phrase “mass surveillance is fundamentally inconsistent with the right to privacy and the principle of proportionality” be removed from the document. Considering that the event emerged from outrage following Edward Snowden’s revelations, and that mass surveillance was cited as a major concern in inputs received on the draft documents, this issue can best be described as the elephant which started out inside the room, but which was then lifted and carried out ‒ by suitably powerful forces ‒ before the event’s conclusion. The document does state that “mass and arbitrary surveillance undermines trust in the Internet and trust in the Internet governance ecosystem” and cooperation – forced or voluntary – between states and business is addressed by the requirement that the “collection and processing of personal data by state and non-state actors should be conducted in accordance with international human rights law,” but this does not address the protection of individual rights that are violated on an extraterritorial basis. Also included is a renewed call upon states from the 2013 UN General Assembly Resolution for the review of “their procedures, practices and legislation regarding the surveillance of communications, their interception and collection of personal data, including mass surveillance, interception and collection,.with a view to upholding the right to privacy by ensuring the full and effective implementation of all their obligations under international human rights law.” This provides an opening for follow-up action which rights activists should pursue with vigour. *IANA accountability* We are encouraged that the issue of Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) accountability will be an integral part of the discussions on the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) transition. We look forward to the continuation of the process once the terms of the accountability process are published. We rely on the unfolding of a neutral process to review the accountable transition of IANA stewardship with the full participation of all global stakeholders and with due consideration given to the importance of structural separation between policy and operational levels. *What was avoided?* The most striking absence at NETmundial, in spite of several submissions raising this as a concern, is a call to put a stop to the increasing militarisation of the internet. Clearly this is an issue that should be taken up through the IGF process. *NETmundial as a process: Leaps, lessons and let-downs* We want to express our appreciation for the hard work that the organising team put into the NETmundial process, in particular CGI.br and the event chairperson, Virgilio A. F. Almeida, Secretary for Information Technology Policy of the Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation of Brazil. NETmundial represents great leaps forward for multi-stakeholder decision making, building on inclusive, multi-stakeholder habits developed during eight editions of the IGF, and providing useful lessons for the future. More time and better planning was needed to integrate inputs – received through an excellent online platform – into the final outcome documents. It would also have been good to use the face-to-face event for more discussion rather than for open-microphone sessions in which most of what had been said online already was repeated. Drafting of the outcome document could also have been done in a more systematic manner, ensuring that people with the necessary area knowledge were available to the chairs of the two drafting groups (Principles and Roadmap). The let-down was that at the end, when the pre-final text was being presented to the High Level Multistakeholder Committee, the process suddenly felt quite familiar, as, at the last minute, a few governments insisted on changes to the text, demanding either deletions or modifications to statements that they were not comfortable with. We understand that government representatives are constrained by instructions from their capitals or by existing agreements; but if we are to deepen democracy in global internet governance, we do need to find ways to move beyond these constraints when finalising such a non-binding document, as they serve to limit more balanced stakeholder input and influence. If powerful governments, whose views often coincide with those of some parts of internet industry, can still exercise a veto – even if informally – at the last minute, we have quite a way to go towards fully inclusive and democratic internet governance. Intergovernmental processes are often criticised for producing lower common denominator consensus agreements. Democratic, multi-stakeholder decision-making processes must strive to avoid this. *What next?* There is much to celebrate. A group of very diverse stakeholders worked together to produce a document which has the potential to create a more robust and human rights- and public interest-oriented approach to internet policy and management. The Government of Brazil showed grace, leadership and deep commitment to inclusive processes by being willing to concede on a range of issues, most particularly network neutrality. The question now is: What next? How do we follow through to implement the good in the NETmundial document and how do we strengthen the existing IGF to play a role in this? Surveillance is the obvious place to start, with governments heeding the call to review all collection, processing and surveillance of personal data to ensure that these processes comply with human rights standards, such as the ones stated in the Necessary and Proportionate principles . Promoting awareness of the issues behind the network neutrality debate are also a ripe area for focus, as they provide a valuable entry point into a number of basic challenges in dealing with conflict of interest around private enterprise and promoting the publicness of the internet. And of course we cannot rest until, as the declaration states, we have “universal, equal opportunity, affordable and high quality Internet access”, so that we can all participate more equally in the debate. -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Apr 30 18:19:03 2014 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 00:19:03 +0200 Subject: [governance] Quick update on WGEC meeting day 1 Message-ID: <536176D7.2020500@acm.org> Hi, Well day one came and went. We reviewed some of the recommendation that had not yet been reviewed, and once again got hung up on the fundamental differences: - Enhanced cooperation is only about governments - Enhanced cooperation is about all stakeholders. - Para 32 says all there is to say about Respective Roles and Responsibilities - Para 32 needs to be revisited to match reality. - WGEC needs to deliver a consensus report - WGEC can come out with a report that reports the varying models - We trust the chair and he can write a chapeau discussing the differences of viewpoint. - we like the chair, but he is just human, we need to write up our own viewpoints. - we should go back to our hotels and write up a brief (several line) opinion of Enhanced Cooperation and Multistakeholderism - we don't need to do this but should continue working on trying to find the item(s) we can reach consensus on. (I expect most groups have been doing the homework just in case there is a quiz) The Sessions are broadcast live. I do not know if there are archived recording, but there probably are - I will check. The CSTD secretariat has come a long way in the short year this WG has been working. From a first meeting where streaming was not possible, to a meeting 11 months later, with streaming and remote participation for absent WG members - not that any did participate as far as I know. Process wise, Observers are allowed to comment but only in a 15 minute slot just before breaks. While we had brief reports on NETmundial, the IGF, ITU activities etc, these were not discussed as there were those who argued that these were not immediately relevant to the work of the WGEC which has its own mandate. The chair concurred. Tomorrow is another day. avri (a cs nominated member of the wgec) -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Apr 30 20:25:49 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 05:55:49 +0530 Subject: [governance] Financial reporting and transparency at APNIC In-Reply-To: <53614669.50501@cis-india.org> References: <5360CBB4.30600@cis-india.org> <53614669.50501@cis-india.org> Message-ID: Silent observer so far but this is a storm in a teacup. 1. More than one of the individuals commenting don't really have a long track record of actively attending apnic meetings (participation in SIGs etc). 2. APNIC being located in Brisbane is correct but it has a multicultural staff from across Asia. Japan, Vietnam, India, China, Indonesia .. just to name the nationalities of a few of APNIC's most long time employees. 3. All RIRs that I know of do have a substantial part of their budget dedicated to outreach / education and fellowship programs. The fellowship committee for the apricot conference for example (nanog equivalent in asiapac) gets funding from apnic, isoc and additionally individual meeting sponsors from time to time. 4. I fully support transparent financial reporting and a further discussion on that, but the rest of the vaguely accusatory and in one case hyper supportive discussion around airfare must take into account that apnic staff travel a lot more every year than the average globetrotting civil society person doing the rounds of netmundial, wgec etc, to fulfill their many roles (hostmaster services, training workshops across a very large coverage region including the pacific islands and not just Asia, etc). If some of them get business class fares for longer trips so they can arrive rested and immediately begin work, that is a net saving compared to the number of extra days hotel rooms are going to be booked for an extra rest day (a normal perk when your policy says to travel economy) and also keeps staff available for assignments that many more days in a year. That is a small number of very highly trained and skill sets not particularly easy to replace staff. --srs (iPad) > On 01-May-2014, at 0:22, Geetha Hariharan wrote: > > Dear all, > > Please find below an account of a conversation over at the APNIC Talk > mailing list regarding financial and activity transparency and reporting. > > 1. The conversation began with Dave Mead on Saturday (April 26, 2014) > addressing Paul Wilson on the APNIC Talk mailing list. Mead referred to > Wilson’s talk at the A-Pac Internet Leadership Programme, where Wilson > allegedly stated: “Members pay fees to APNIC to support the organisation > and the services and they don't give APNIC a blessing to spend that > money in unlimited fashion on Internet development” [1]. Mead alleged > that Wilson and other senior staff at APNIC utilize members’ fees/funds > for business class travel, and denounced this practice as not befitting > a not-for-profit Internet development organization. > > 2. Hanif H. Mohammed of Pakistan supported Mead, and added that APNIC > was conducting a training programme on cyber-security, etc. for law > enforcement agencies (“LEAs”), utilizing APNIC funds. As LEAs allocate > funds of their own for training purposes, Mohammed stated that APNIC > should not be spending on their behalf. > > 3. Skeeve Stevens intervenes and supports APNIC spending, by stating > that APNIC staff do very important work and need to be alert and awake > at meetings. > > 4. Masato Yamanishi (APNIC Policy SIG co-chair) reframes the debate: > “The real question is whether there were enough outcomes compared to > resources spent including costs and man-months”. This gets more support > from members, and Dean Pemberton first makes a call for transparency and > reporting: “To that end I would support an increased level of financial > and activity reporting along the lines Yamanishi-san has suggested. We > do see this increased reporting in RIRs and other multistakeholder > organisations and they are to be commended for this. This will allow the > membership to determine if outputs such as those reported by APNIC at > ICANN49 are balanced with the expenditure required to produce them”. > Others support this. > > 5. Tony Smith of APNIC responds by clarifying APNIC’s scope of > operations and defending the LEA Training [email attached]. > > 6. Skeeve Stevens takes a side-dig at B.C. Jain of India, who supported > reduced APNIC fees: “With the size of your population, the growth rate > of your industry, I really don't see why you have a problem with > finances. The NIR of India really should be making enough revenue to pay > for itself.” > > 7. Skeeve Stevens seeks financial reporting from all NIRs within APNIC > [email attached]. > > > There was also a side-conversation on the same thread regarding APNIC’s > effective representation of Asia and countries in the region: > > 1. A short series of standoffs between Mohammed and Skeeve Stevens (who > voices support for APNIC, its activities and its staff) shows that there > is confusion in some minds as to whom the APNIC-EC represents. Mohammed > refers, for instance to APNIC offices located in Australia, and > questions whether it really represents Asian interests. There are > multiple responses to this: Rajesh Chharia asks why APNIC does not have > a regional office in South Asia, and invites “Paul and Akinori” to > respond. Aftab A. Siddiqui endorses this, referring to the newly opened > Dubai office of RIPE-NCC. Others contribute to this as well, noting that > Asia has no RIR. > > 2. In response to all these, Skeeve Stevens provides a long > justificatory email, and accuses speakers of “sit[ting] far away, not > attend[ing] conferences, not be[ing] involved and criticis[ing] any > process and organization” [email attached]. Stevens emphasizes that > regional interests take priority and states that those with national > interests “will never be taken seriously”. > > 3. Skeeve Stephens responds by inviting others to look at APNIC-EC [2] > and staff composition [3] and states that they effectively represent > Asian economies. > > 4. Masato Yamanishi proposes that APNIC Secretariat should seek members’ > approval and priority “about major activities with expected human > resources, CAPEX, and OPEX”. He refers to the ARIN and the RIPE-NCC > Activity Plan and Budget 2014 [4], where such discussion is held. > > 5. Dave Mead again makes an intervention asking questions about APNIC’s > involvement and support in setting up NIRs. > > ___ > > [1] The audio may be found linked from the APNIC event wrap-up here: > http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2014/icann-49-event-wrapup. > [2] APNIC-EC composition: > http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/structure/apnic-executive-council/ec-members. > [3] APNIC staff composition: http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/team. > [4] RIPE-NCC Budget Plan: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-598. > > I hope this is useful. > > Best, > Geetha. > > -- > Geetha Hariharan > Programme Officer > Centre for Internet and Society > W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 8860 360717 > <[apnic-talk] Question regarding Financial Reporting by NIR's.eml> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Apr 30 20:31:20 2014 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 06:01:20 +0530 Subject: [governance] Financial reporting and transparency at APNIC In-Reply-To: References: <5360CBB4.30600@cis-india.org> <53614669.50501@cis-india.org> Message-ID: As others have pointed out there are massive differences in cost models with multiple remote offices (and local hr, admin etc staff, local buildings etc) versus one central office with traveling staff, and the airfare costs shouldn't be seen in isolation --srs (iPad) > On 01-May-2014, at 5:55, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > Silent observer so far but this is a storm in a teacup. > > 1. More than one of the individuals commenting don't really have a long track record of actively attending apnic meetings (participation in SIGs etc). > > 2. APNIC being located in Brisbane is correct but it has a multicultural staff from across Asia. Japan, Vietnam, India, China, Indonesia .. just to name the nationalities of a few of APNIC's most long time employees. > > 3. All RIRs that I know of do have a substantial part of their budget dedicated to outreach / education and fellowship programs. The fellowship committee for the apricot conference for example (nanog equivalent in asiapac) gets funding from apnic, isoc and additionally individual meeting sponsors from time to time. > > 4. I fully support transparent financial reporting and a further discussion on that, but the rest of the vaguely accusatory and in one case hyper supportive discussion around airfare must take into account that apnic staff travel a lot more every year than the average globetrotting civil society person doing the rounds of netmundial, wgec etc, to fulfill their many roles (hostmaster services, training workshops across a very large coverage region including the pacific islands and not just Asia, etc). If some of them get business class fares for longer trips so they can arrive rested and immediately begin work, that is a net saving compared to the number of extra days hotel rooms are going to be booked for an extra rest day (a normal perk when your policy says to travel economy) and also keeps staff available for assignments that many more days in a year. That is a small number of very highly trained and skill sets not particularly easy to replace staff. > > --srs (iPad) > >> On 01-May-2014, at 0:22, Geetha Hariharan wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> Please find below an account of a conversation over at the APNIC Talk >> mailing list regarding financial and activity transparency and reporting. >> >> 1. The conversation began with Dave Mead on Saturday (April 26, 2014) >> addressing Paul Wilson on the APNIC Talk mailing list. Mead referred to >> Wilson’s talk at the A-Pac Internet Leadership Programme, where Wilson >> allegedly stated: “Members pay fees to APNIC to support the organisation >> and the services and they don't give APNIC a blessing to spend that >> money in unlimited fashion on Internet development” [1]. Mead alleged >> that Wilson and other senior staff at APNIC utilize members’ fees/funds >> for business class travel, and denounced this practice as not befitting >> a not-for-profit Internet development organization. >> >> 2. Hanif H. Mohammed of Pakistan supported Mead, and added that APNIC >> was conducting a training programme on cyber-security, etc. for law >> enforcement agencies (“LEAs”), utilizing APNIC funds. As LEAs allocate >> funds of their own for training purposes, Mohammed stated that APNIC >> should not be spending on their behalf. >> >> 3. Skeeve Stevens intervenes and supports APNIC spending, by stating >> that APNIC staff do very important work and need to be alert and awake >> at meetings. >> >> 4. Masato Yamanishi (APNIC Policy SIG co-chair) reframes the debate: >> “The real question is whether there were enough outcomes compared to >> resources spent including costs and man-months”. This gets more support >> from members, and Dean Pemberton first makes a call for transparency and >> reporting: “To that end I would support an increased level of financial >> and activity reporting along the lines Yamanishi-san has suggested. We >> do see this increased reporting in RIRs and other multistakeholder >> organisations and they are to be commended for this. This will allow the >> membership to determine if outputs such as those reported by APNIC at >> ICANN49 are balanced with the expenditure required to produce them”. >> Others support this. >> >> 5. Tony Smith of APNIC responds by clarifying APNIC’s scope of >> operations and defending the LEA Training [email attached]. >> >> 6. Skeeve Stevens takes a side-dig at B.C. Jain of India, who supported >> reduced APNIC fees: “With the size of your population, the growth rate >> of your industry, I really don't see why you have a problem with >> finances. The NIR of India really should be making enough revenue to pay >> for itself.” >> >> 7. Skeeve Stevens seeks financial reporting from all NIRs within APNIC >> [email attached]. >> >> >> There was also a side-conversation on the same thread regarding APNIC’s >> effective representation of Asia and countries in the region: >> >> 1. A short series of standoffs between Mohammed and Skeeve Stevens (who >> voices support for APNIC, its activities and its staff) shows that there >> is confusion in some minds as to whom the APNIC-EC represents. Mohammed >> refers, for instance to APNIC offices located in Australia, and >> questions whether it really represents Asian interests. There are >> multiple responses to this: Rajesh Chharia asks why APNIC does not have >> a regional office in South Asia, and invites “Paul and Akinori” to >> respond. Aftab A. Siddiqui endorses this, referring to the newly opened >> Dubai office of RIPE-NCC. Others contribute to this as well, noting that >> Asia has no RIR. >> >> 2. In response to all these, Skeeve Stevens provides a long >> justificatory email, and accuses speakers of “sit[ting] far away, not >> attend[ing] conferences, not be[ing] involved and criticis[ing] any >> process and organization” [email attached]. Stevens emphasizes that >> regional interests take priority and states that those with national >> interests “will never be taken seriously”. >> >> 3. Skeeve Stephens responds by inviting others to look at APNIC-EC [2] >> and staff composition [3] and states that they effectively represent >> Asian economies. >> >> 4. Masato Yamanishi proposes that APNIC Secretariat should seek members’ >> approval and priority “about major activities with expected human >> resources, CAPEX, and OPEX”. He refers to the ARIN and the RIPE-NCC >> Activity Plan and Budget 2014 [4], where such discussion is held. >> >> 5. Dave Mead again makes an intervention asking questions about APNIC’s >> involvement and support in setting up NIRs. >> >> ___ >> >> [1] The audio may be found linked from the APNIC event wrap-up here: >> http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2014/icann-49-event-wrapup. >> [2] APNIC-EC composition: >> http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/organization/structure/apnic-executive-council/ec-members. >> [3] APNIC staff composition: http://www.apnic.net/about-APNIC/team. >> [4] RIPE-NCC Budget Plan: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-598. >> >> I hope this is useful. >> >> Best, >> Geetha. >> >> -- >> Geetha Hariharan >> Programme Officer >> Centre for Internet and Society >> W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 8860 360717 >> <[apnic-talk] Question regarding Financial Reporting by NIR's.eml> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at istaff.org Wed Apr 30 22:39:59 2014 From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:39:59 -0700 Subject: [governance] Quick update on WGEC meeting day 1 In-Reply-To: <536176D7.2020500@acm.org> References: <536176D7.2020500@acm.org> Message-ID: Avri's quick summary likely understates the level of disconnect by some governments with multistakeholder principles (at least from the portion of session I listened in on), as well as her own admirable efforts to still seek common ground and make progress despite these obstacles... :-) FYI, /John On Apr 30, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Well day one came and went. > > We reviewed some of the recommendation that had not yet been reviewed, > and once again got hung up on the fundamental differences: > > - Enhanced cooperation is only about governments > - Enhanced cooperation is about all stakeholders. > > - Para 32 says all there is to say about Respective Roles and > Responsibilities > - Para 32 needs to be revisited to match reality. > > - WGEC needs to deliver a consensus report > - WGEC can come out with a report that reports the varying models > > - We trust the chair and he can write a chapeau discussing the > differences of viewpoint. > - we like the chair, but he is just human, we need to write up our own > viewpoints. > > - we should go back to our hotels and write up a brief (several line) > opinion of Enhanced Cooperation and Multistakeholderism > - we don't need to do this but should continue working on trying to find > the item(s) we can reach consensus on. > > (I expect most groups have been doing the homework just in case there is > a quiz) > > > The Sessions are broadcast live. I do not know if there are archived > recording, but there probably are - I will check. The CSTD secretariat > has come a long way in the short year this WG has been working. From a > first meeting where streaming was not possible, to a meeting 11 months > later, with streaming and remote participation for absent WG members - > not that any did participate as far as I know. > > Process wise, Observers are allowed to comment but only in a 15 minute > slot just before breaks. > > While we had brief reports on NETmundial, the IGF, ITU activities etc, > these were not discussed as there were those who argued that these were > not immediately relevant to the work of the WGEC which has its own > mandate. The chair concurred. > > Tomorrow is another day. > > avri > > (a cs nominated member of the wgec) > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joy at apc.org Wed Apr 30 23:27:55 2014 From: joy at apc.org (joy) Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 15:27:55 +1200 Subject: [governance] Quick update on WGEC meeting day 1 In-Reply-To: <536176D7.2020500@acm.org> References: <536176D7.2020500@acm.org> Message-ID: <5361BF3B.1070008@apc.org> Thanks so much for this update Avri - a very deft summary. I am really sorry I could not attend this meeting of the Working Group. The originally agreed meeting dates for later in May, which I could attend, were changed and the new dates clashed with a long-standing personal commitment in New Zealand, so I have given my apologies. I'm fully supportive of the strong civil society stance you're on record as taking. Joy On 1/05/2014 10:19 a.m., Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Well day one came and went. > > We reviewed some of the recommendation that had not yet been reviewed, > and once again got hung up on the fundamental differences: > > - Enhanced cooperation is only about governments > - Enhanced cooperation is about all stakeholders. > > - Para 32 says all there is to say about Respective Roles and > Responsibilities > - Para 32 needs to be revisited to match reality. > > - WGEC needs to deliver a consensus report > - WGEC can come out with a report that reports the varying models > > - We trust the chair and he can write a chapeau discussing the > differences of viewpoint. > - we like the chair, but he is just human, we need to write up our own > viewpoints. > > - we should go back to our hotels and write up a brief (several line) > opinion of Enhanced Cooperation and Multistakeholderism > - we don't need to do this but should continue working on trying to find > the item(s) we can reach consensus on. > > (I expect most groups have been doing the homework just in case there is > a quiz) > > > The Sessions are broadcast live. I do not know if there are archived > recording, but there probably are - I will check. The CSTD secretariat > has come a long way in the short year this WG has been working. From a > first meeting where streaming was not possible, to a meeting 11 months > later, with streaming and remote participation for absent WG members - > not that any did participate as far as I know. > > Process wise, Observers are allowed to comment but only in a 15 minute > slot just before breaks. > > While we had brief reports on NETmundial, the IGF, ITU activities etc, > these were not discussed as there were those who argued that these were > not immediately relevant to the work of the WGEC which has its own > mandate. The chair concurred. > > Tomorrow is another day. > > avri > > (a cs nominated member of the wgec) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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