[governance] Re: 2nd FORMAL CONSENSUS CALL Re: Letter to Pres. Rousseff

[parminder]

Thanks Norbert

I did not oppose the call, but now that it is over, I must restate the 
reason that I have this particular issue with the statement, which I 
partly co-initiated.


I think that when a drafter introduces a language like 'should extend to 
broader sphere' , on being asked to clarify. those who are for that 
language must clarify what is meant. This did not happen.

I was stuck by some people actually opposing Marco Civil process, just 
because it is a parliamentary democratic process. They withdrew this 
opposition when the phrase on 'CGI's remit should be extended to broader 
spheres' was reintroduced. That for me formed the background of the 
'should extend to broader spheres' phrase.

It is like this. If someone wants me to sign on a statement for 
strenghtening the judiciary in India, I will sign it. But if it 
pointedly says, judiciary's role and remit should extend 'to broader 
spheres' no serious political, democratic, civil society group in India 
will sign it. They would like to know what exactly is meant here. For 
instance, we wont have the judiciary second guessing core policy issues, 
appointing the prime minister, unilaterally impeaching members of 
parliament and so on..... Clarity and separation of roles of different 
institutions is basic to democracy....

But I see here a version of multistakeholderism, which has un-reined 
belief in a mutistakeholder body doing anything and everything, and 
correspondingly no belef at all in represenative structures. This is 
outstandingly dangerous. Lets not for some small gains fiddle with our 
democratic traditions and institutions. They are hard earned, by blood 
and toil of many down the history.

So, now that the statement is passed. I would still like to know, what 
is that CGI'Br should be doing more in Brazil, in terms of the unclear 
'broader sphere'.... It is likely that if I know what is it clearly, I 
may agree. But, It cannot take up the public policy making competence of 
the parliament. Let people make this point clear, and ITfC will still 
sign the statement. On the other hand, if some actual incursion on 
parliament's role iis indeed intended in the statement, then that must 
also be stated clearly. We cannot be in these civil society deliberative 
space keeping silent on such key issues.

BTW, is it being asked that CGI takes up some regulatory role (for 
instance, instead of Anatel which claims regulatory comeptence over the 
Internet).  We must know what is it we are referring to here. Otherwise, 
sorry to say, the phrase to me just looks a convenient 'backdoor' for 
all kind of possible things, a term made infamous by the recent NSA 
disclosures :).

parminder


On Friday 27 September 2013 07:11 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> [with IGC coordinator hat on]
>
> The consensus call has passed.
>
> IGC's endorsement is already reflected on http://bestbits.net/brazil-66-unga/
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>> == letter text follows
>> ================================================
>>
>> Letter from International Civil Society Organizations to President
>> Dilma Rousseff in support of her statement at the 68th Session of the
>> UNGA September 26, 2013 Statements
>>
>> Your Excellency, We, the undersigned organizations and individuals
>> from around the world, committed to the development of the Internet
>> and its use for advancing social and economic justice, would like to
>> express our strong support for the statement delivered this week by
>> your Excellency at the 68th Session of the United Nations General
>> Assembly. We commend you for taking a leading role on these issues
>> and would like to:
>>
>> 1. Fully endorse the five principles enunciated on the occasion, in
>>     clear accordance with the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee’s
>>     Principles for the Governance and Use of the Internet.
>> 2. Stress the importance of the timely adoption of the Brazilian
>>     Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco Civil da Internet) in a way
>>     that upholds these principles and endorses the innovative and
>>     democratic process in which it was conceived.
>> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in expressing disapproval and
>>     demanding explanations from the USA about the procedures of illegal
>>     interception of information and data, framing it as a grave
>>     violation of human rights and of civil liberties
>> 4. Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
>>     Internet Governance of the  experiences from the Brazilian
>>     multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br.
>>
>> We express our deep appreciation for your serious commitment to social
>> justice and development, of which an open, stable, and reliable
>> Internet is a fundamental pillar.
>>
>> == letter text ends
>> ===================================================
>

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