[governance] stakeholder categories (was Re: NSA sabotage of Internet security standards...)

[parminder]

On Thursday 19 September 2013 06:46 PM, McTim wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:41 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> BTW, what does this kind of vaporisation of stakeholder categories do to
>> multistakeholderism - As aptly questioned by Ian... We are then all just
>> 'public', and governance is based on developing contextual conceptions of
>> public interest, which is done by normal democratic methods.....
>> Multistakeholderists cannot have their cake and eat it too...... Either
>> there are stakeholder categories, with some definitions, or there are
>> not.....
> Some of us who support multi-equal stakeholdersim in IG do not think
> categories are useful.

I am happy for IGC to develop a position on whether stakeholder 
categories exist or they do not..... I can accept either scenario and 
develop my thinking and positions over it. However, people can not be 
arguing one position when it suits them and the opposite when it so 
suits. ( I aint speaking about you.) The biggest problem with 
multistakeholderism (MSism) is that it refuses to enter into such clear 
basic categories and concepts related discussions. It wants to be but 
doesnt want to be talked about or interrogated.... parminder
>
>> Two other conceptions have been offered for delineating civil society. One
>> is self definition. Well, fine, but why does this not apply say also to
>> technical community..... Why is it fine that someone who self defines
>> himself as technical and academic community, and in fact is demonstrably an
>> academic,  may not be considered as 'tech and academic community' by whoever
>> is the
>> gatekeeper of that particular community,
> Was it that they weren't considered to be T&A, or was it that they
> were not chosen to represent T&A?  there is a difference.
>
> But your query highlights one of the challenges in "silos".
>
>


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