[governance] stakeholder categories (was Re: NSA sabotage of Internet security standards...)

[parminder]

On Wednesday 18 September 2013 11:52 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well according to the IGC charter, we are all Civil society who declare ourselves to be.  The point is dedicating your work toward the well being, as you understand it, of civl society interest.  I am comfortable with this standard and don't really care where a person does it.
>
> But if, under the leadership of one of our co-cos we get down to determining who is and is not influenced as a determinant, I think there will be a lot of things to look at, including my favorite - who funds your so-called  Civil society organization.

Yes, a very important question.... Groups/ people calling themselves 
civil society and thus devoted to pubic interest must be transparent 
about their funding sources, and also about their basic larger positions 
on key issues (as Norbert and others ask for). They have a special 
accountability to public as just any normal person does not have, This I 
agree, is a major point of distinction. Any civil society organisation, 
or even an individual that positions himself/ herself as civil society, 
must respond to public questions of accountability on these and other 
counts. However, I have this impression that there is great amount of 
reluctance among many of even those here who would normally be 
considered civil society in this regard, but let me not stray from my 
basic point here...

So, yes, such public accountability is an intrinsic part of claiming a 
public (as against merely private) role, which idea underlies the 
concept of civil society... parminder

>
> Also, for those who live in countries where the registration as an NGO is state controlled and a perk of cooperation, I have questions as to the degree of uninfluence those folks can ever really have.
>
> As for RFC 3869, civil society it could not speak of, and thereof remained silent on the issue.
>
> avri
> .
>
>
>
> On 18 Sep 2013, at 12:08, JFC Morfin wrote:
>
>> At 17:38 18/09/2013, avri doria wrote:
>>> What about those NGOs, research and educational enterprise that get most of their funding from industry. Are they influenced? Certainly ofif we were talking about lab testing of that industry's products we would consider them influenced.
>> Avri,
>>
>> this was perfectly addressed by RFC 3869.
>> RFC 3869 is realistically but incompletly updated by RFC 6852.
>> Both are explained by PRISM.
>>
>> The rule is simple: trust no one you do not trust for your own life. Because it is actually your own life, sometime, somehow, which may be at stake.
>> jfc
>>
>


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