[governance] NSA sabotage of Internet security standards

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

This definition does exclude nearly all except a subset of politically active individuals and NGOs from being considered civil society, I agree with daniel.

--srs (iPad)

On 17-Sep-2013, at 19:58, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:

> 
> On 17.09.13 10:32, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>> 
>> This relates to the very fundamental question about what is “civil
>> society”. My view is that only people and organizations are qualified
>> to be considered “civil society” who are truly independent of all
>> industry and government interests in regard to the topic areas on
>> which they engage.
>> 
> 
> This is a very good question, but unfortunately not an acceptable definition.
> 
> What you suggest is that individuals (by themselves or grouped in organisations) essentially without any qualifications in the field (by virtue of not being involved in any entity in that industry -- because they are not "companies") are to decide how that very industry should develop.
> 
> The "industry" consists of all parties that are active in that particular area, be it individuals or groups of individuals.
> 
> Let's take as example the ISP industry. This is certainly an activity that has been practiced by both individuals and groups of individuals (companies). If you exclude those who are in the trade from the "civil society", what is left is those who have never been involved in the ISP industry and therefore have no clue what the challenges there are. Yet, those people are tasked to shape it?
> 
> For me, "civil society" has always been anything that is not "government". Now, "government" is a very wide term and therefore, a member of the civil society who then becomes "a governor" of any kind is automatically excluded from the "civil society".
> 
> Now, any "civil society" that participates in "Internet Governance" should either cease to be "civil society" or cease to participate in "Internet Governance".
> 
> Pretty complex, eh? :-)
> 
> Daniel
> 
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