[bestbits] Re: [governance] Australian Pirate Party pushes for an Internet treaty

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

I am sorry, "pious"?  If so, a lot of civil society stands guilty of asking for the exact same thing.

--srs (iPad)

On 06-Sep-2013, at 10:59, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Parminder,
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> The issue of "trust" as an underlying requirement of the digital economy has a very long history in the OECD.
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> It will be extremely interesting to see how the pious statements concerning Trust, Privacy, the Open Internet etc. eminating from that source will now deal with the truly profound shattering of trust in the Internet as preciptated by Mr. Snowden's revelations.
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> Subject: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Australian Pirate Party pushes for an Internet treaty
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> On Friday 06 September 2013 09:58 AM, parminder wrote:
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> On Friday 06 September 2013 09:04 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> In the Australian election week, I noticed in the Pirate's Party manifesto at http://getawarrant.org.au/:
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> "The Pirate Party will push for negotiations to begin on an international treaty for a free and open Internet.
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> In 2012, the United Nations passed a landmark resolution that declared the Internet to be a fundamental human right. The same rights that people take for granted offline must be also enshrined online. An international treaty can guarantee this now and for future generations."
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> Naïve, or ahead of the curve?
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> Well, ahead of curve only if we want to wait till the architecture of the global Internet, and social processes building on it, is firmly set and too late to be changed. And this will be soon. Remembe the adage 'architecture is policy' and so a policy coming too later after the architecture is rather useless. 
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> I really dont understand why and how people say things like it is too early to begin talking of international arrangements - also knowing that even once you begin talking about them in a positive manner it may take years for them to get off the ground.... In fact it is already getting late. Around WSIS, the Internet pioneers and evangelists still held some high ground and people were ready to develop global frameworks based on such ideals - give or take some. As more and more malignant interests have discovered how to control the Internet and make it deliver for them, the chances of such agreements in fact recede. In the circumstances, what really is the case for holding that to begin talking abut such agreements may be ahead of time, far worse, it being naive? 
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> Meanwhile, of course OECD is going ahead full steam to make global Internet policy and policy frameworks.... I think we need to get real, sooner the better. I mean if we are really thinking global democracy and global public interest,
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> See http://www.oecd.org/sti/security-privacy ,for instance, for new privacy guidelines from the OECD . A few quotes from the website....
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> "Security and privacy are essential for the Internet economy to continue to serve as a platform for innovation, new sources of economic growth and social development. The OECD focuses on the development of better policies to ensure that security and privacy foster economic and social prosperity in an open an interconnected digital world."
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> "This work is carried out by the OECD Working Party on Information Security and Privacy (WPISP), under the Committee for Information, Computers and Communications Policy (ICCP)."
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> Sure, naive and ahead of the curve for the not so rich world to aspire to democratic participation in what affects them so centrally!
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