[governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow lunchtime

Fri Oct 25 02:36:07 EDT 2013

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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net>wrote:

> Truer words were never spoken, well, typed.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 24-Oct-2013, at 20:47, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:
>
> Not having been there to witness whatever transpired, my 2 reais of cheap
> seat advice is:
>
> Everyone should be playing for the longer term since the summit is just
> that, there's a long road still afterward.
>
> And, if there's some easy wins which can be agreed upon, everyone can
> declare victory while slow progress on those poor 'orphan' issues belatedly
> begins.
>
> As Milton suggests, " the IANA contract, US role, ICANN accountability," -
> maybe just maybe there could be real progress there in - 7 months?
> Meaning, focus please, let's crack that Brazil nut if we can. : )
>
> Not at the expense of talking about and arguing about other things; but
> that triumvarate is one ready for progress. Fact that ICANN and technical
> community i orgs are fully engaged is a feature not a bug.
>
> In my always humble view.
>
> Lee
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [
> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Salanieta
> Tamanikaiwaimaro [salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:15 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Carlos A. Afonso
> *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow
> lunchtime
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:56 AM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>
>   A long as Icann behaves as just a stakeholder among stakeholders in the
> summit's preparatory process, there will be no rupture.
>
>   The dynamic coalition or whatever the group will be is where it will be
> coordinated by representatives of various constituencies. As Global civil
> society, it will mean agreeing and identifying a transparent process where
> design a mechanism to nominate representatives to the Steering committee.
> This will also mean that we need to agree on the criteria of selection.
>
>  In the interim, there will be people who sit as representatives until
> November, 2013 when global civil society, alongwith other stakeholders be
> asked to field representatives. When the selection process to the CSTD
> occurred, it was decided by APC that the IGC was no longer competent to
> conduct selections. Similarly, we can have a situation where Best Bits can
> push forward the nominations. However for there to be legitimacy,
> transparency in the process, all civil society organisations need to work
> together to decide what mechanism we will use to run the selection process.
> The Government of Brazil is comfortable with working with Brazil civil
> society representatives and they will be liaisons in relations with the
> host government as has been happening. They are doing a fantastic job.
>
>  On the other hand, on the issue of the Dynamic Coalition, there has to
> be dialogue on considerations of selection to allow for diversity into
> feeding into the Agenda and driving the discussions of what our
> constituents as global civil society want.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------
> C. A. Afonso
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
> Date: 24-10-2013 16:43 (GMT-03:00)
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
> Subject: RE: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow
> lunchtime
>
>
> Carlos
> I hope the Brazilians are not annoyed enough to rupture their budding
> partnership with Fadi. Yesterday I was at the Wilson Center at an event run
> by the Brazil Institute there regarding Brazil's vision for Internet
> governance. The consensus among the Br people speaking there was that while
> President Dilma will go nationalistic in certain ways as a reaction to NSA,
> that she and Brazil as a whole are backing away from their idea that the
> ITU should take over names and numbers. If only folks would concentrate on
> that solvable problem of the IANA contract, US role, ICANN accountability,
> this flirtation between ICANN and BR might produce a healthy offspring.
>
> MM
>
> p.s., hope you are recovering from the monkey bites
>
> ________________________________________
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [
> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Carlos A. Afonso [
> ca at cafonso.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:28 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; William Drake
> Cc: Best Bits
> Subject: Re: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow
> lunchtime
>
> "Coordinate" with quite distinct leverages means being taken over or
> taking over. I think Fadi and the "techies" went too far and the
> objective is to control the meeting agenda. The BR delegation was a bit
> shocked and certainly quite annoyed. Let us be careful with these
> "relationships".
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 10/23/2013 10:48 PM, William Drake wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Despite Chris' wording, I don't view this effort as a power grab, a
> framing that seems to suggest that there's fixed pie of power (?) that one
> group wishes to take at the expense of others.  Fadi went to Dilma, they
> talked and agreed to hold a multistakeholder meeting with yet to be fully
> agreed goals, and he came to the people he knows and said ok we need to get
> organized and have an open coalition that goes beyond us to include people
> who favor MS processes even if they have different ideas of the desirable
> end states.  Hence the meeting was meeting was open and you were there to
> voice your concerns.  If you decide you don't want to coordinate with the
> people involved in that effort you can try to organize your own
> relationship to the Brazil meeting.  But surely that doesn't mean that
> those who do shouldn't be able to.
> >
> > Since "their" meeting was open and "we" were invited to get involved,
> why do "we" need to have a private meeting from which "they" are excluded?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Jeremy
> Malcolm
> >> Gesendet: Mi 23.10.2013 10:57
> >> An: Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> >> Betreff: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow
> lunchtime
> >>
> >> I haven't had a chance to write about the technical community meeting
> that took place at lunchtime today, but it felt (to me) like an astonishing
> power-grab in progress - they are forming a new coalition that will create
> a "grassroots" campaign, with the pre-determined objective of reasserting
> the primacy of "the" multi-stakeholder model against "government-centric"
> models..  The summit has been downplayed - it is now no longer a summit but
> just a "meeting", and Brazil has been told that its objectives should not
> be to create solutions.  Chris Disspain stressed that the meeting is "not
> the end game", and that "we seem to have the reins of that meeting, we need
> to keep hold of those reins."  The overall approach really chilled me - it
> was like the WCIT campaign on steroids, asserting a clear leadership role
> for the technical community, and at a time like this, it is totally
> misplaced and ill-advised.
> >>
> >> So, firstly, we need to strategise urgently about our response.  This
> will need to happen in private, so - sorry to lurkers from other
> stakeholder groups - those in Bali will be having a private meeting
> tomorrow from 1-2:30pm in room Uluwatu 2, also known as Bilateral 6.
> Thanks to Gene and Matthew for suggesting and helping arrange the meeting.
> >>
> >> Second, can we launch our letter on the summit a little early?  I'll
> ask the meeting tomorrow to make a final call, but for those who are not in
> Bali, please let me know whether you have any objection to us opening this
> for endorsements tomorrow, rather than on Friday:
> >>
> >> We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from around the
> world, committed to the development of an open Internet and its use for
> advancing human rights, express our hope and expectation that the Internet
> governance summit in Brazil in 2014 incorporate a multistakeholder model of
> agenda setting, participation and decision making from its inception.
> >>
> >> This requires:
> >> The event should discuss what Internet governance architecture is
> required to support an inclusive, people-centric, development-oriented
> information society. We believe that this requires at the very minimum that
> such a structure is democratic, in that it should be inclusive of all
> countries and all stakeholders, and that it protects and promotes human
> rights.
> >> The full participation of civil society stakeholders in planning and in
> the meeting should be guaranteed and resourced.
> >> A strengthened Internet Governance Forum could play a role in the
> future Internet governance arrangements to be discussed at the event,  and
> it should be linked with the CSTD WGEC process as appropriate.
> >> The event should extend beyond good will speeches or presentations of
> good intentions and seek to produce actionable outputs in line with the
> initial motivations for organizing the summit, to which all stakeholders
> will commit. Modalities should be developed to allow all stakeholders,
> including remote participants, to participate on an equal footing from the
> preparatory process to final outputs.
> >> We  stress that opening doors for more stakeholders to attend meetings
> is  not sufficient. Multistakeholderism has been used with a variety of
> meanings, sometimes only referring to a very limited kind of openness  and
> consultation. If the goal is to achieve an open, inclusive and
> participatory debate, more is needed to ensure meaningful civil society
> participation.
> >
> >
> >
> > **********************************************************
> > William J. Drake
> > International Fellow & Lecturer
> >    Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> >    University of Zurich, Switzerland
> > Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
> >    ICANN, www.ncuc.org
> > william.drake at uzh.ch (w), wjdrake at gmail.com (h),
> >    www.williamdrake.org
> > ***********************************************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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