[governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow lunchtime

Lee W McKnight lmcknigh at syr.edu
Thu Oct 24 20:47:00 EDT 2013 

Not having been there to witness whatever transpired, my 2 reais of cheap seat advice is:

Everyone should be playing for the longer term since the summit is just that, there's a long road still afterward.

And, if there's some easy wins which can be agreed upon, everyone can declare victory while slow progress on those poor 'orphan' issues belatedly begins.

As Milton suggests, " the IANA contract, US role, ICANN accountability," - maybe just maybe there could be real progress there in - 7 months?   Meaning, focus please, let's crack that Brazil nut if we can. : )

Not at the expense of talking about and arguing about other things; but that triumvarate is one ready for progress. Fact that ICANN and technical community i orgs are fully engaged is a feature not a bug.

In my always humble view.

Lee
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Subject: Re: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow lunchtime



On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:56 AM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca<mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>> wrote:

A long as Icann behaves as just a stakeholder among stakeholders in the summit's preparatory process, there will be no rupture.

The dynamic coalition or whatever the group will be is where it will be coordinated by representatives of various constituencies. As Global civil society, it will mean agreeing and identifying a transparent process where design a mechanism to nominate representatives to the Steering committee. This will also mean that we need to agree on the criteria of selection.

In the interim, there will be people who sit as representatives until November, 2013 when global civil society, alongwith other stakeholders be asked to field representatives. When the selection process to the CSTD occurred, it was decided by APC that the IGC was no longer competent to conduct selections. Similarly, we can have a situation where Best Bits can push forward the nominations. However for there to be legitimacy, transparency in the process, all civil society organisations need to work together to decide what mechanism we will use to run the selection process. The Government of Brazil is comfortable with working with Brazil civil society representatives and they will be liaisons in relations with the host government as has been happening. They are doing a fantastic job.

On the other hand, on the issue of the Dynamic Coalition, there has to be dialogue on considerations of selection to allow for diversity into feeding into the Agenda and driving the discussions of what our constituents as global civil society want.






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C. A. Afonso



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From: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>
Date: 24-10-2013 16:43 (GMT-03:00)
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,"Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca<mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>>
Subject: RE: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow lunchtime


Carlos
I hope the Brazilians are not annoyed enough to rupture their budding partnership with Fadi. Yesterday I was at the Wilson Center at an event run by the Brazil Institute there regarding Brazil's vision for Internet governance. The consensus among the Br people speaking there was that while President Dilma will go nationalistic in certain ways as a reaction to NSA, that she and Brazil as a whole are backing away from their idea that the ITU should take over names and numbers. If only folks would concentrate on that solvable problem of the IANA contract, US role, ICANN accountability, this flirtation between ICANN and BR might produce a healthy offspring.

MM

p.s., hope you are recovering from the monkey bites

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Subject: Re: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow lunchtime

"Coordinate" with quite distinct leverages means being taken over or
taking over. I think Fadi and the "techies" went too far and the
objective is to control the meeting agenda. The BR delegation was a bit
shocked and certainly quite annoyed. Let us be careful with these
"relationships".

--c.a.

On 10/23/2013 10:48 PM, William Drake wrote:
> Hi
>
> Despite Chris' wording, I don't view this effort as a power grab, a framing that seems to suggest that there's fixed pie of power (?) that one group wishes to take at the expense of others.  Fadi went to Dilma, they talked and agreed to hold a multistakeholder meeting with yet to be fully agreed goals, and he came to the people he knows and said ok we need to get organized and have an open coalition that goes beyond us to include people who favor MS processes even if they have different ideas of the desirable end states.  Hence the meeting was meeting was open and you were there to voice your concerns.  If you decide you don't want to coordinate with the people involved in that effort you can try to organize your own relationship to the Brazil meeting.  But surely that doesn't mean that those who do shouldn't be able to.
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> Since "their" meeting was open and "we" were invited to get involved, why do "we" need to have a private meeting from which "they" are excluded?
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> Bill
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>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> im Auftrag von Jeremy Malcolm
>> Gesendet: Mi 23.10.2013 10:57
>> An: Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>; governance at lists.igcaucus.org<mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>> Betreff: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy meeting tomorrow lunchtime
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>> I haven't had a chance to write about the technical community meeting that took place at lunchtime today, but it felt (to me) like an astonishing power-grab in progress - they are forming a new coalition that will create a "grassroots" campaign, with the pre-determined objective of reasserting the primacy of "the" multi-stakeholder model against "government-centric" models..  The summit has been downplayed - it is now no longer a summit but just a "meeting", and Brazil has been told that its objectives should not be to create solutions.  Chris Disspain stressed that the meeting is "not the end game", and that "we seem to have the reins of that meeting, we need to keep hold of those reins."  The overall approach really chilled me - it was like the WCIT campaign on steroids, asserting a clear leadership role for the technical community, and at a time like this, it is totally misplaced and ill-advised.
>>
>> So, firstly, we need to strategise urgently about our response.  This will need to happen in private, so - sorry to lurkers from other stakeholder groups - those in Bali will be having a private meeting tomorrow from 1-2:30pm in room Uluwatu 2, also known as Bilateral 6.  Thanks to Gene and Matthew for suggesting and helping arrange the meeting.
>>
>> Second, can we launch our letter on the summit a little early?  I'll ask the meeting tomorrow to make a final call, but for those who are not in Bali, please let me know whether you have any objection to us opening this for endorsements tomorrow, rather than on Friday:
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>> We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from around the world, committed to the development of an open Internet and its use for advancing human rights, express our hope and expectation that the Internet governance summit in Brazil in 2014 incorporate a multistakeholder model of agenda setting, participation and decision making from its inception.
>>
>> This requires:
>> The event should discuss what Internet governance architecture is required to support an inclusive, people-centric, development-oriented   information society. We believe that this requires at the very minimum that such a structure is democratic, in that it should be inclusive of all countries and all stakeholders, and that it protects and promotes human rights.
>> The full participation of civil society stakeholders in planning and in the meeting should be guaranteed and resourced.
>> A strengthened Internet Governance Forum could play a role in the future Internet governance arrangements to be discussed at the event,  and it should be linked with the CSTD WGEC process as appropriate.
>> The event should extend beyond good will speeches or presentations of  good intentions and seek to produce actionable outputs in line with the  initial motivations for organizing the summit, to which all stakeholders  will commit. Modalities should be developed to allow all stakeholders, including remote participants, to participate on an equal footing from the preparatory process to final outputs.
>> We  stress that opening doors for more stakeholders to attend meetings is  not sufficient. Multistakeholderism has been used with a variety of  meanings, sometimes only referring to a very limited kind of openness  and consultation. If the goal is to achieve an open, inclusive and  participatory debate, more is needed to ensure meaningful civil society participation.
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