[governance] [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014

[Carlos A. Afonso]

I agree, except that I do not think any proposal coming from the
Montevideo group would be arrogant. We are in this plural process and we
ought to accept manifestations (individual or collective) of everyone --
and that group is highly qualified to provide propositions of course.

The fact that I disagreed with a relatively minor part of its content
does not at all in my view makes it less relevant.

Let us try and, as you say, take advantage of this opportunity to do our
best to converge. The IGF "chatting space" would be a great opportunity
for groups, "tribes", communities etc to fine tune ideas and do concrete
advances.

fraternal regards

--c.a.

On 10/10/2013 05:20 PM, Raul Echeberria wrote:
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> Carlos:
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> I agree with you that the President Rousseff position is of course not based on the Montevideo statement. It should be very very arrogant to think that. 
> Dilma's speech in UN and the Montevideo Statement are independent but related events that fortunately seems to be converging, and the meeting between Fadi and Dilma is an expression of that. 
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> Raúl 
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> El 10/10/2013, a las 15:11, Carlos A. Afonso escribió:
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>> Dear compa McT,
>>
>> You being a rigorous techie, maybe you will not change your logical
>> view... :) And I understand there is a lot of people in all sectors who
>> feel disturbed by the emerging presence of Brazil and its concrete
>> proposals to finally move on.
>>
>> At the very beginning Fadi describes the motivation -- Rousseff's
>> statement at the UN, her clear adherence to the basic principles most of
>> civil society defends (which she has repeated several times in her radio
>> program and her twitter @dilmabr), and her proposal to build a planetary
>> framework of rights. This did not come out of the blue, from a meeting
>> of IP addressers in a wonderful city called Montevideo. Do you think
>> Fadi just dropped by the presidential door in Brasilia, knocked and
>> entered to sell that proposal? :)
>>
>> Anyway, it is relevant to understand that this is not a proposal for yet
>> another Icann meeting, or a reedition of the UN chatting space called
>> IGF, as both Dilma and Fadi made it very clear. It is a major
>> achievement that that motivation brought Icann to colead this effort
>> jointly with BR.
>>
>> All the more so because, as you know, there are strong sectors within
>> the government who would love to bring the root-zone to the purview of
>> the ITU, who hate Icann, who do not like the pluriparticipative model of
>> governance we defend, and who are basically associated with the
>> transnational telecom oligopoly which controls the main networks in BR.
>> Dilma is courageously up against a huge wall here, to defend those
>> principles, and receiving Fadi and emerging from the meeting with thar
>> proposal was a major political milestone for her in those internal
>> disputes as well.
>>
>> [] fraterno
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 10/10/2013 10:14 AM, McTim wrote:
>>> At 55 seconds in, Fadi says:
>>> "Her Excellency President Rousseff has accepted our invitation that we
>>> hold next year a Global Summit"
>>>
>>> Seem fairly clear to me.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>>>> McT, maybe you should watch the video a few times more... :)
>>>>
>>>> --c.a.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2013 09:57 AM, McTim wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Why so pessimistic and cynical everyone.. I may be wrong but this isn't just
>>>>>> about ICANN, although hats off to Fadi for getting this going and putting
>>>>>> that into play…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not pessimistic or cynical.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I would be extremely surprised if the Pres. of Brazil is going to invite
>>>>>> the world to Rio in April next year to discuss names and numbers. Rather my
>>>>>> reading is that she is by-passing the quite evident log-jam at the ITU, the
>>>>>> frivolities of the IGF, the now discredited "Internet Freedom" crusade and
>>>>>> the status quo which it was intended to cast into concrete errr… (non) rules
>>>>>> and regs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears to me, after watching the video again several times that it
>>>>> is ICANN (and I assume the rest of the Montevideoans) that are
>>>>> spearheading this.  In other words the idea of the Summit comes from
>>>>> the T&A folks, not Brasilia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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