[governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014

Thu Oct 10 15:31:06 EDT 2013

Hi Joana,

.and of course, the grass is always greener.

But just as it was the right thing to do to endorse Dilma's UN speech (and
who knows what positive impact that may have had with her or with the
Montevideo crew) and putting our collective shoulder to that wheel could not
but have had some influence on what I see as the very positive outcome of
the Montevideo statement and the meeting next April.

So endorsing a meeting which so clearly breaks through the status quo bubble
within which Internet governance has been held captive and suborned to the
evident security and other interests of certain parties (and which the next
round at Bali would have done little to correct); while perhaps a wee bit of
a move based on faith (but also based on a positive recent national track
record in these areas), I think it is a reasonable step to take and perhaps
provides us with an opening for participation/dialogue from the beginning
which might otherwise not have been available.

M

From: Joana Varon [mailto:joana at varonferraz.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:01 PM

Dear people, 

For the level of information I have (which is basically: Brazil and ICANN
have proposed to host a Summit on Internet after April - coincidentally or
right after the meeting on Sharm el Sheik and before the presidential
elections period), I don't feel comfortable about writing a letter
congratulating for something I dont really know what it is. 

But I do truly support Anja's suggestion to start working on our agenda
online and, with a potential to be much richer, during our several meetings
in Bali. (what do we want from all this besides participating in the
Summit??) 

In the meanwhile, I rather take breath to understand and discuss this with
the Brazilian government and Brazilian colleagues from civil society or
other sectors. And see what is the final draft of Marco Civil that the
government will bring to our table very soon (if it truly endorses all the
principles she has mentioned at the UNGA). 

I'm sorry if it's a bit of a skeptic or over cautious position, but I really
need more inputs to see the big picture.  

All the best

joana

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:59 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
wrote:

+1

M

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Subject: Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
host world event on Internet governance in 2014

Dear compa McT,

You being a rigorous techie, maybe you will not change your logical view...
:) And I understand there is a lot of people in all sectors who feel
disturbed by the emerging presence of Brazil and its concrete proposals to
finally move on.

At the very beginning Fadi describes the motivation -- Rousseff's statement
at the UN, her clear adherence to the basic principles most of civil society
defends (which she has repeated several times in her radio program and her
twitter @dilmabr), and her proposal to build a planetary framework of
rights. This did not come out of the blue, from a meeting of IP addressers
in a wonderful city called Montevideo. Do you think Fadi just dropped by the
presidential door in Brasilia, knocked and entered to sell that proposal? :)

Anyway, it is relevant to understand that this is not a proposal for yet
another Icann meeting, or a reedition of the UN chatting space called IGF,
as both Dilma and Fadi made it very clear. It is a major achievement that
that motivation brought Icann to colead this effort jointly with BR.

All the more so because, as you know, there are strong sectors within the
government who would love to bring the root-zone to the purview of the ITU,
who hate Icann, who do not like the pluriparticipative model of governance
we defend, and who are basically associated with the transnational telecom
oligopoly which controls the main networks in BR.
Dilma is courageously up against a huge wall here, to defend those
principles, and receiving Fadi and emerging from the meeting with thar
proposal was a major political milestone for her in those internal disputes
as well.

[] fraterno

--c.a.

On 10/10/2013 10:14 AM, McTim wrote:
> At 55 seconds in, Fadi says:
> "Her Excellency President Rousseff has accepted our invitation that we
> hold next year a Global Summit"
>
> Seem fairly clear to me.
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>> McT, maybe you should watch the video a few times more... :)
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 10/10/2013 09:57 AM, McTim wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:50 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> Why so pessimistic and cynical everyone.. I may be wrong but this
>>>> isn't just about ICANN, although hats off to Fadi for getting this

>>>> going and putting that into play.

>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not pessimistic or cynical.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I would be extremely surprised if the Pres. of Brazil is going
>>>> to invite the world to Rio in April next year to discuss names and
>>>> numbers. Rather my reading is that she is by-passing the quite
>>>> evident log-jam at the ITU, the frivolities of the IGF, the now
>>>> discredited "Internet Freedom" crusade and the status quo which it

>>>> was intended to cast into concrete errr. (non) rules and regs.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears to me, after watching the video again several times that
>>> it is ICANN (and I assume the rest of the Montevideoans) that are
>>> spearheading this.  In other words the idea of the Summit comes from
>>> the T&A folks, not Brasilia.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

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Joana Varon Ferraz
@joana_varon
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