[governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". really?

[Carlos A. Afonso]

Not very clear at all, sorry. It seems people were a bit afraid to go
further and ended up suggesting the messenger might be the culprit.

Especially in a short, concise statement like that, and issuing a
statement with such a big hat on, you guys should have paid more
attention to this, sorry again.

[]s fraternos

--c.a.

On 10/08/2013 11:30 AM, Raul Echeberria wrote:
> 
> El 08/10/2013, a las 11:19, Carlos A. Afonso escribió:
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>> This sentence is ambiguous: "They expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive monitoring 
>> and surveillance."
>>
>> It seems the "leaders" are more concerned by the revelations of surveillance than by surveillance itself.
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> 
> Carlos
> 
> Maybe it is not the best wording, but I guess that it is very clear that  what is a matter of concern is the surveillance and its impact in the trust and confidence, not the revelations. 
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> 
> Raúl 
> 
> 
>>
>> --c.a.
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>> C. A. Afonso
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> 
>> Date: 08-10-2013 02:51 (GMT-03:00) 
>> To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>,governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
>> Subject: Re: [governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". really? 
>>
>>
>> Its interesting to contrast this article with the Montevideo statement 
>> released a little bit later from the technical community. As regards 
>> criticisms of current internet governance structures, the technical 
>> community added
>>
>> " The leaders discussed the clear need to continually strengthen and evolve 
>> these mechanisms, in truly substantial ways, to be able to address emerging 
>> issues faced by stakeholders in the Internet."
>>
>> Note "in truly substantial ways" - that's not accidental text, but a 
>> recognition that significant change must take place.
>>
>> Also note the main statements from Montevideo, which were
>>
>>
>> * They reinforced the importance of globally coherent Internet operations, 
>> and warned against Internet fragmentation at a national level. They 
>> expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of 
>> Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive monitoring 
>> and surveillance.
>>
>> *They identified the need for ongoing effort to address Internet Governance 
>> challenges, and agreed to catalyze community-wide efforts towards the 
>> evolution of global multistakeholder Internet cooperation.
>>
>> *They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and IANA functions, 
>> towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including all governments, 
>> participate on an equal footing.
>>
>> (there was also a statement re IPv6)
>>
>> I mention these in this context because there appears to be a lot of common 
>> ground with the technical community now as regards some of the big 
>> priorities that must be addressed, and from this statement also a 
>> recognition that they must improve current mechanisms "in truly substantial 
>> ways".
>>
>> That's good news!  There are things that should be criticised in current 
>> structures, but there is a growing opportunity to work with the technical 
>> community to address some major points of agreement. I hope that in our 
>> discussions of the various viewpoints which legitimately are part of our 
>> thinking on current structures we do not lose the opportunity to work 
>> closely with the technical community on some over riding policy issues on 
>> which we have substantial agreement.
>>
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>> .
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>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:33 PM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> Subject: [governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". 
>> really?
>>
>> http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/how-the-technical-community-fails-at-multi-stakeholderism
>>
>> http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/web-consortiums-failures-show-limits-of-self-regulation
>>
>> forming a consensus that the usual splinter rump minority doesnt agree with 
>> emphatically does not constitute any sort of failure of multistakeholderism
>>
>> --srs
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