[governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance

Sat Nov 30 00:42:41 EST 2013

Yes, I completely agree.  Since others were tossing around casual
suggestions I thought I would offer what seemed to be an obvious one as
well, but of course it needs some very serious thought and analysis.

M

From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu] 
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 8:25 PM
To: michael gurstein; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Tracy F. Hackshaw @
Google'
Cc: 'Norbert Bollow'
Subject: RE: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the
Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance

No, no, no, please. That level of specificity is counterproductive at this
stage. Many people who have studied this issue believe that turning ICANN
into an INGO is the surest way for it to escape what little accountability
it currently has. Those willing to go along with a general call for reform
in ICANNs US-centered oversight need not commit themselves to a particular
solution at this point, and the language below does that. 

Please dont come up with off the cuff quickie solutions for this. It will
take more than a scan of Wikipedia to solve. 

From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:49 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google'
Cc: 'Norbert Bollow'; Milton L Mueller
Subject: RE: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the
Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance

What about 

1)      Transitioning ICANN and IANA to an International Non-Governmental
Organization (INGO) status: The Global Meeting should aim at developing a
suitable and widely acceptable means to achieve the desired transition of
ICANN and IANA away from its links to the USG and 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_nongovernmental_organization

M

From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Tracy F.
Hackshaw @ Google
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 2:39 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Cc: Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller
Subject: Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the
Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance

ICANN (and its President/CEO) have been "encouraged" at several
opportunities to adjust its "internationalization" rhetoric/terminology and
thus its resulting INTERNATIONALIZATION thrust to one which is significantly
more embrasive of the objectives of, and indeed, spirit of what
GLOBALIZATION in theory, intends to achieve.

I believe therefore that Milton's recommendation is timely and appropriate
... whether we use the term "Globalization" or a perhaps more compromising
and less economics/free-market linked phrase or term such as "Global
Integration", or more radically, "Glocalization".

------
Rgds,

Tracy

On Nov 29, 2013 4:52 PM, "Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal"
<jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:

Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,

If I may contribute, with a somehow different and unusual perspective, and
in my humble Global Governance observer capacity,  for the pleasure of the
reflection:

Internationalization: one wants to have a larger international basis: more
offices, more representatives, more of a network of local branches that,
being put together, creates an international network. Still each element is
mostly comparable to the starting point in terms of culture, thinking...
Clones spread around the world? 'One for all' kind of uniformity. Meaning
many little ICANNs all around. 

Globalization: this could happen without a network of offices around the
world. You can observe a very globalized entity containing so many different
elements, co-exisiting, still assembling one strong outlet with a governance
of its own, but embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than one single
corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many voices... in a single
global body. So one ICANN speaking from one point to the many in a global
manner of thinking. 

Meaning one ICANN with a big global mind.

Transnationalization: this tends to establish a community of people based in
various locations, trying to forget about their local identity, interest or
belonging, with the objective to address a more common, regional,
transnational, trans-sectorial issue. A way to achieve an understanding of
global magnitude. 

Meaning one ICANN talking to other minds.

- The first option has a few advantages. You keep a greater control over the
network, and at the end of the day, you can pretend to be a global minded
outlet. Good communication value.

- The second option is probably the most difficult to achieve, specially if
you are not starting from a fully independent culture. Very challenging when
one starts from a private or national basis.

- The third option might be a good compromise, if each one puts trust in the
other minds ('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable approach, and
ultimately, one that could deliver a true global minded system.

Obviously, very much to be criticized, but at least worth trying to explore.
And quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG debate.

Semantic has a lasting effect over the narrative and the ultimate objective.
A little bit like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged from the corporate
jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents, executives would convene
'stakeholders' to the table for consultation (trade union, politician...). A
pure communication tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable definition and
understanding, and an even looser legal impact. Something that usually
brings a lot of misunderstandings, deadlocks...

All the best,

__________________________

Jean-Christophe Nothias 
Editor in Chief
jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net

@jc_nothias

Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert Bollow a écrit :

Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57 +0000
schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>:

Recognizing that this is a late intervention (Thursday a big family

holiday in the US), is it possible to replace the word

"internationalization" with "globalization"? Increasingly we live in

a world where nations, and by extension the "inter-national" is not

an adequate term to define transborder, global phenomena

That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation states and their
governments of course continue to have a significant role, it has
certainly become inadequate to try to understand transborder, global
phenomena by the method (that was helpful in earlier times) of
decomposing into what is happening at the national level plus what is
happening in inter-national trade and other areas of inter-national
relations.

On the other hand, many civil society people including myself are very
wary of the term "globalization", as globalization has often increased
social injustices while doing nothing to resolve the kinds of concerns
that the further "internationalization" of ICANN is intended to address.

Maybe yet another term could be used???

Greetings,
Norbert

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