[governance] [bestbits] civil society role in Brazil meeting

John Curran jcurran at istaff.org
Tue Nov 19 11:39:51 EST 2013 

Suresh -

It is my understanding the 1net initiative is about catalyzing "a multi-stakeholder movement to 
develop, through an open processes, a framework for evolving, broadening and strengthening 
Internet Governance/Cooperation arrangements, and to advocate for its adoption."   That's 
likely to last some number of years (i.e. longer then the Brazil meeting) and (in my opinion), it 
cannot be the case that participating in 1net closes opportunity for expression or participation
elsewhere.

CS should participate in 1net if believes that the it will advance CS's goals and mission.

CS should reach out and seek representation and participation in other forums as it feels
appropriate.  If the purpose of the letter is "technical community is not civil society, shut 
them out", then that does not seem particularly productive to me (but it's still your right to 
do so.) If the purpose of a letter is to note that 1net is a fledging organization that at this
point cannot reasonably be expected to represent CS with respect to the Brazil meeting
planning activities and that you'd prefer to make CS appointments directly, then it's worth 
making that point.  You could even cc the 1net Steering Committee (if one should ever 
come into being); they may even concur with the observation.

/John

Disclaimer: Very much my own views, and solely as one Internet citizen on this mailing list.


On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

> On 19-Nov-2013, at 21:27, Suresh Ramasubramanian <srs at savitr.info> wrote:
> 
> Oh, but that'd probably defeat the whole raison d'etre of that letter :)
> 
> "technical community is not civil society, shut them out" etc etc.
> 
> I say that while echoing multiple calls for transparency.
> 
> --srs (iPad)
> 
>> On 19-Nov-2013, at 21:08, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just to clarify further: I am not against the letter Parminder suggested, just think we could calibrate the language not to dismiss 1net as an option for participation.
>>> M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Parminder,
>>> 
>>> I am writing from ICANN meeting in BA where some folks from CS are also arguing for transparency, openness and participation for civil society in the Brazil process. In a similar way that we raised this in the IGF during meetings with the Brazilian government in the iStart meeting and in other spaces, we are doing it here with ICANN staff (Fadi, Thereza, Board members), with governments, etc. My very quick thoughts based on the present situation (things are changing very fast, so I reserve the right to change opinion) is:
>>> 
>>> - It is not either/or. Both things should be done together: populate and participate 1net and continue to organize ourselves in our own spaces, sending contributions as IGC, BB or individual organizations. It is not clear yet how relevant 1net will be, but there is a possibility it will be important, so we should not be out of it. We also need a channel to exchange with other groups and this could be the channel
>>> 
>>> - We need to make sure that a steering committee of 1 net is representative and includes CS reps chosen by CS itself 
>>> 
>>> - 1 net does not exist so far and does not have a committee. What people are doing is going straight to Fadi or to the Br gov. For communication purposes, we have appointed liaisons and should reinforce that these people are our liaisons for the moment until 1 net exists and until (and if) we feel comfortable with it. 
>>> 
>>> - Our liaisons need to be included in all meetings
>>> 
>>> Marília  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>> Dear All
>>> 
>>> There are strong indications from all round that Brazil gov may just be taking the easy expedient to channelise non gov participation in the Brazil meeting through the 1net structure.... And we know that there was overwhelming feeling among civil society that this should not be allowed, and we should have a direct liason. (Civil society outside the active IG kind is even more strongly of this view). Are we know willing to come out of our paralysis?
>>> 
>>> Lets write a short and succinct letter that we want direct and independent liason to the Brazil meeting and want to independently present our liasons directly accountable to us and not through the 1net or whatever...And just forward the four Brazilain names we have as our liasons... We do not have to change/ expand that liason structure. Havent the time for that. (and if some people insist, we can always do it a bit later). The following is a quick text suggestion... 
>>> 
>>> We of the undersigned civil society networks and groups are pleased to note that Brazil has made a formal announcement of a ............. (put the official name of the meeting here) . We are happy to help the government of Brazil organise this meeting and take it to a successful conclusion.  We have chosen the below mentioned four persons to be our liason to the Brazilian government and also to be put on any steering committee that may be set up.
>>> 
>>> ....
>>> ......
>>> 
>>> ......
>>> ...... the names of our four Brazilian liasons 
>>> 
>>> Please include our above representatives in all meetings, formal presentations etc that will henceforth take place regarding the proposed multistakeholder meeting on the future of the Internet..... We will route our inputs to the organisation of this meeting through these reps...
>>> 
>>> Signed
>>> 
>>> (ends)
>>> 
>>> parminder 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts
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>>> www.diplomacy.edu
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