[governance] DMP} Proposed letter on role of Brazil liaisons

Adam Peake ajp at glocom.ac.jp
Fri Nov 15 13:40:45 EST 2013 

I agree with Carlos.

Seems to be a bit of delay with the announcement. The 4 volunteers are working, and were grateful for their efforts: for the time being all's good.  So let's wait and see what comes up and respond when we know what's going on.

Adam



On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:

> Parm, we should have a letter ready, but we should also be careful. We
> do not know what the gov is up to at this point. The Nov.11 deadline has
> passed and there is no news on a new date. The actual proposal might
> lead us to make changes in the letter.
> 
> As we say in Rio: "muita calma nessa hora!" Actually is about time you
> all try and start learning some Brazilian Portuguese :)
> 
> I would recommend waiting for one more week and if there is no news then
> send the letter, making sure it first reaches the steering committee in
> BR. It would be politically bad if they learned about the letter through
> the press or our lists.
> 
> []s fraternos
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> On 11/15/2013 08:46 AM, parminder wrote:
>> I am completely unable to understand delaying the process of intimating
>> to the Brazilian gov that we, as in CS, will like to have direct liaison
>> with Brazilian gov on the forthcoming meeting, and for this purpose,
>> these are our four liaison persons.
>> 
>> In fact there is every reason to send the  proposed letter to Brazil gov
>> *before* they make any definitive announcement about the proposed
>> meeting, and possible also lay out the manner in which it will be
>> organised, and so on...
>> 
>> If IGC is to permanently keep itself tied in self doubts and
>> contradictions, the world will simply move on without it. On the
>> bestbits list I saw no opposition to sending this letter right away
>> (including, quite surprisingly, by those who are opposing it here, and
>> are also on the BB list)
>> 
>> parminder
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday 14 November 2013 04:34 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>>> An announcement from Brazil about the meeting is expected any time
>>> now.  Please do not send any letter until the Brazilian government's
>>> plans are clear.
>>> 
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [with IGC coordinator hat on]
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any way for this opposition "on principle" to be reconciled
>>>> with the intention behind to proposed letter on the role of the
>>>> liaisons?
>>>> 
>>>> If not, full consensus will clearly not be possible on this matter,
>>>> and it may be appropriate to use the rough consensus process.
>>>> 
>>>> There was very strong support for what this letter has been proposed to
>>>> express among the IGC members who participated in person in the
>>>> relevant discussions in Bali.
>>>> 
>>>> The rough consensus process which is explicitly allowed by the IGC
>>>> Charter could be implemented for example by means of using online
>>>> polling software to determine whether there is an overwhelming majority
>>>> of IGC members in support of such a letter. According to the Charter,
>>>> such a rough consensus poll has to run at least 48 hours, then the
>>>> coordinators would jointly decide to interpret the result as "rough
>>>> consensus" or not. (That is of course a decision that can be appealed if
>>>> desired.)
>>>> 
>>>> But we should certainly discuss the matter first.
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Norbert
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I will oppose this on principle as drawing any sort of artificial
>>>>> distinction between the technical community and civil society is
>>>>> counterproductive in the long run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --srs (iPad)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14-Nov-2013, at 15:29, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14/11/13 12:00, parminder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Once again, as suggested by Matthew, I do believe a formal letter
>>>>>>>>> nominating and explaining our role as liasons, and not
>>>>>>>>> representatives, for International Civil Society for information
>>>>>>>>> regarding the Summit will be good to legitimate and help our job
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A formal letter naming our liaisons and making it clear that
>>>>>>>> global civil society would want to use this mechanism to
>>>>>>>> coordinate its role in the proposed Brazil meeting and not go
>>>>>>>> through 1net or any other tehcnical community led interface is of
>>>>>>>> the highest priority at this stage. Dont want to get into
>>>>>>>> I-told-you-so mode, but I have been insisting that we did that
>>>>>>>> first and in clear terms since our earliest meetings in Bali. If
>>>>>>>> we have got such a communication through in clear terms, maybe
>>>>>>>> our four reps would have been there at the above meeting. At
>>>>>>>> least if they werent invited we could have protested...
>>>>>>> Draft letter is here: http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/brazil-reps
>>>>>> Looks good to me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>> Norbert
>>>> 
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