From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 31 18:15:40 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:15:40 +0200 Subject: [governance] [Should the IGC support Formal Objection by EFF?] #DRM in HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <51A69F60.9020700@catherine-roy.net> <51A70C26.2070707@itforchange.net> <20130530085317.GD4314@thorion.it.jyu.fi> <09AA7FDA-9C2D-4723-990B-0CFF01444BDA@gmail.com> <51A7A94B.3060400@cafonso.ca> <51A81810.40409@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: <20130601001540.0de3e3ae@quill.bollow.ch> Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > So we can craft a letter for IGC endorsement. Will a simple letter that references https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg and supports and endorses it suffice? Or does someone wish a craft a more in-depth letter? Who should the letter be addressed to? Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and constructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Fri May 31 20:32:07 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:02:07 +0530 Subject: [governance] [Should the IGC support Formal Objection by EFF?] #DRM in HTML5 In-Reply-To: <20130601001540.0de3e3ae@quill.bollow.ch> References: <51A69F60.9020700@catherine-roy.net> <51A70C26.2070707@itforchange.net> <20130530085317.GD4314@thorion.it.jyu.fi> <09AA7FDA-9C2D-4723-990B-0CFF01444BDA@gmail.com> <51A7A94B.3060400@cafonso.ca> <51A81810.40409@ITforChange.net> <20130601001540.0de3e3ae@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: A simple letter is something we can all get consensus on, and time is of the essence here. Just send it to the eff and post it on the IGC website I would say? --srs (iPad) On 01-Jun-2013, at 3:45, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > >> So we can craft a letter for IGC endorsement. > > Will a simple letter that references > https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg > and supports and endorses it suffice? > > Or does someone wish a craft a more in-depth letter? > > Who should the letter be addressed to? > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and constructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Fri May 31 20:34:37 2013 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:34:37 -0400 Subject: [governance] [Should the IGC support Formal Objection by EFF?] #DRM in HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <51A69F60.9020700@catherine-roy.net> <51A70C26.2070707@itforchange.net> <20130530085317.GD4314@thorion.it.jyu.fi> <09AA7FDA-9C2D-4723-990B-0CFF01444BDA@gmail.com> <51A7A94B.3060400@cafonso.ca> <51A81810.40409@ITforChange.net> <20130601001540.0de3e3ae@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <51A9419D.3060809@eff.org> Danny O'brien (cc here) is leading this work. Agreed timing is of essence here. Many thanks all, Katitza On 5/31/13 8:32 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > A simple letter is something we can all get consensus on, and time is of the essence here. > > Just send it to the eff and post it on the IGC website I would say? > > --srs (iPad) > > On 01-Jun-2013, at 3:45, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: >> >>> So we can craft a letter for IGC endorsement. >> Will a simple letter that references >> https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg >> and supports and endorses it suffice? >> >> Or does someone wish a craft a more in-depth letter? >> >> Who should the letter be addressed to? >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> -- >> Recommendations for effective and constructive participation in IGC: >> 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ecrire at catherine-roy.net Fri May 31 20:47:32 2013 From: ecrire at catherine-roy.net (Catherine Roy) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:47:32 -0400 Subject: [governance] [Should the IGC support Formal Objection by EFF?] #DRM in HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <51A69F60.9020700@catherine-roy.net> <51A70C26.2070707@itforchange.net> <20130530085317.GD4314@thorion.it.jyu.fi> <09AA7FDA-9C2D-4723-990B-0CFF01444BDA@gmail.com> <51A7A94B.3060400@cafonso.ca> <51A81810.40409@ITforChange.net> <20130601001540.0de3e3ae@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <51A944A4.9090005@catherine-roy.net> Hi, I am not familiar with how this group normally does this kind of thing so forgive me if this question is not appropriate but : does the CSIGC do press releases ? If so, I would recommend that in lieu of a letter, which supposes signatories (sp?) while a press release can have the same content but need only cite a source. Best, Catherine -- Catherine Roy http://www.catherine-roy.net On 31/05/2013 8:32 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > A simple letter is something we can all get consensus on, and time is of the essence here. > > Just send it to the eff and post it on the IGC website I would say? > > --srs (iPad) > > On 01-Jun-2013, at 3:45, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: >> >>> So we can craft a letter for IGC endorsement. >> Will a simple letter that references >> https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg >> and supports and endorses it suffice? >> >> Or does someone wish a craft a more in-depth letter? >> >> Who should the letter be addressed to? >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> -- >> Recommendations for effective and constructive participation in IGC: >> 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at istaff.org Fri May 31 23:54:32 2013 From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 23:54:32 -0400 Subject: [governance] Potential IGC letter to US gov (was Re: NET NEUTRALITY AND MORE) In-Reply-To: <8730A60A-041D-456A-8C6D-C6F58C49F144@ella.com> References: <01f301ce5ac0$0f554430$2dffcc90$@gmail.com> <554420103-1369682604-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2140146156-@b15.c10.bise7.blackberry> <0B5FBB83-BE50-4BF0-A616-FFB2072BE59B@ella.com> <4B0A37B4-C311-444C-9974-8DB98FEF1B7E@acm.org> <51A4B748.5030501@itforchange.net> <20130528173258.4afc2dde@quill.bollow.ch> <8730A60A-041D-456A-8C6D-C6F58C49F144@ella.com> Message-ID: <02505502-7805-4E66-B2AC-7A68A605C456@istaff.org> On May 28, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > - the Affirmation of Commitments reviews, including the Accountability and Transparency Review Team I am currently on, are a soft oversight mechanism. And I think a rather clever one at that - though I am presumptuous enough to beleive most people don't understand how really clever it is.. I don't think that even ICANN fully understands or accepts it yet, (see how presumptuous an idiot savant can be?) I think once it is fully developed (we are only in the second iteration) and ICANN learns to accept it as oversight, I think a certain level of maturity will have been demonstrated. Avri - Excellent observation. Having strong and successful Affirmation of Commitments processes (including multiple government participation) is very likely a key prerequisite before any possible change to the unique USG oversight role for ICANN... In particular, one has to be confident that any future ICANN that might "go off the rails" can (through its own mechanisms such as reconsideration and external mechanisms such as the AoC) be brought back to proper performance of its coordination role on behalf of the global Internet community. A question to the USG (regarding ending the USG's unique role) is only germane when the precondition is met of ICANN having solid multiple-government AoC-based oversight, otherwise it is likely to be far too hypothetical for any meaningful response. FYI, /John Disclaimers: My views alone. Partaking of raw or underdeveloped organizations may increase one's risk of a systemic disorder. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nne75 at yahoo.com Wed May 1 12:49:58 2013 From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Error messages on IGF site Message-ID: <1367426998.26281.YahooMailNeo@web120102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi, Has anyone else received "You don't have permission to access /cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_edit_answer.php on this server. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From soekpe at gmail.com Wed May 1 13:38:48 2013 From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 18:38:48 +0100 Subject: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5170CA7F.2000109@itforchange.net> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Global Climate Agency proposal..pdf Dear All, Investors in Internet projects, like any kind of investor, want to make sure they will get a good return on their investment. Lets take a look at this attachment and reconsider our statement. Sea Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > ** ** > > ** ** > > I can't say if this is what Mawaki meant, but there are many mobile > Internet services around the world (including mine, Maxis here in Malaysia) > that give you free or cheaper access to Facebook than to other social > networking websites. **** > > OK, so this is at least a substantive issue, but this is a classic > nondiscrimination issue that is typically debated in the context of network > neutrality. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "public goods" > character of the internet or with "the commons." You do not get any > traction on that debate by slinging those words around. If you want to make > a net neutrality statement, make a net neutrality statement, at least > people will know what you are talking about.**** > > Also, devices such as phones and game consoles typically allow a > gatekeeper to approve what apps you can use to access the Internet. For > example I have an iPhone, and I want to use a Bitcoin client on it - but I > can't, because Apple decided I can't; and I want to install a Bittorrent > app on my PS3, but I can't, because Sony decided I can't. I presume that > you have read Zittrain's "The Future of the Internet", which although > becoming dated now gives many other examples.**** > > Again, this is a matter of the benefits or costs of the platform operator > having the authority to internalize the externalities of the internet by > making decisions about which apps/services can be excluded and which > cannot. There are two sides to that debate. The platform operators argue > that they should have editorial discretion; some consumer groups actually _ > *want*_ platform operators to make those decisions; many economists and > regulators feel that competition among platform operators is enough to keep > abuses in check. There are various examples of where public pressure has > ended some arbitrary incidents of discrimination. My purpose here is not to > take either of those sides, it is to point out that that debate has little > to do with the "public goods" character of the internet. Nor do I see what > we contribute to that debate with a vague invocation of "the commons."**** > > An app platform operated as a "public good" or "commons" would mean what, > exactly? That it is run by the government/public sector? Or that there was > no management at all, anyone could put anything on it, including malware, > phishing exploits, advertising driven stuff, and no one would have any > right to remove it, even if thousands of consumers complain about it? But > if there is selection, then who decides what is selected and under what > criteria? The government? Think that'll be better? Which government? **** > > In sum, the policy prescription implied by such characterization is not > clear. This is still a meaningless statement. **** > > Also, we are still lacking evidence that this is a growing problem. 6 > years ago, when I first started studying mobile network neutrality, mobile > walled gardens were the NORM. Most mobile operators confined you to a > restricted set of special services they had deals with. The advent of the > iPhone completed eliminated that model. The mobile internet is far more > open now than it was then. Where is the evidence of a "growing trend?"**** > > ** ** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Intellectual Property Watch asked them to comment on why they would be the best leader for those interested in technology and intellectual property rights. The remaining candidates are *Herminio Blanco *of *Mexico *and *Roberto Carvalho de Azevêdo* of *Brazil*. Blanco is coming from the private sector, and is the former trade minister and trade negotiator for Mexico. Carvalho de Azevêdo is Brazil’s ambassador to the WTO as well as to the World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO), the UN Conference for Trade and Development (UNCTAD), and the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). The backgrounds of all candidates can be found on the WTO website *here *. An analysis of the positions of candidates was provided by the International Centre for Trade and Sustainable Development (ICTSD), *here *. [*more *] Au revoir Pascal Lamy Cheers, Louis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Find the link to the document. http://international.cgdev.org/search/Wanted%3A%20A%20Climate%20Agency%20for%20a%20Bottom-Up%20World%E2%80%94A%20Proposal%20for%20a%20New%20Arm%20of%20the%20World%20Bank Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, YJ On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > Dear All, > > Sorry for the mix-up. > Find the link to the document. > http://international.cgdev.org/search/Wanted%3A%20A%20Climate%20Agency%20for%20a%20Bottom-Up%20World%E2%80%94A%20Proposal%20for%20a%20New%20Arm%20of%20the%20World%20Bank > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Thu May 2 06:15:55 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 12:15:55 +0200 Subject: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal Message-ID: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] Dear all, as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) process for renewing the Appeals Team. Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of the new Appeals Team. If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, 2013. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu May 2 12:05:37 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:05:37 -0700 Subject: [governance] RE: [JoCI] New Special Issue: Community Informatics and Co-Creation of Innovation In-Reply-To: <02f301ce474d$63e7c2b0$2bb74810$@gmail.com> References: <20130502153552.AE192101EBA@php5.vcn.bc.ca> <02eb01ce474c$7caa5f70$75ff1e50$@gmail.com> <02f301ce474d$63e7c2b0$2bb74810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <030101ce474e$eaedfe90$c0c9fbb0$@gmail.com> Since one of the dominant rationales and underlying themes concerning the current discussions/structures of global Internet Governance is concerned with issues of "Innovation" this special issue of the Journal of Community Informatics is perhaps of particular interest from several perspectives. The special issue presents an alternative/expanded view of the meaning and nature of innovation, where those who are generally seen as the object of innovation in fact, become the subject of innovation (innovators) and where innovation is seen as a bottom up rather than top down process. It does I think, further suggest the need/opportunity for an expanded understanding of the nature and significance of innovation and including who could/should be understood as "stakeholders" in the multi-stakeholder processes where innovations including or especially technical (informatics) applications are framed and undertaken. Finally, the special issue also includes a number of alternative approaches and conceptions of "innovation" and suggests that just as with multi-stakeholderism, the conventional approach to the determination/definition of "innovation" would merit significant scrutiny and extension to include those at the grassroots often overlooked in such processes and analyses. M From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:55 AM To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org Subject: RE: [JoCI] New Special Issue: Community Informatics and Co-Creation of Innovation The Journal of Community Informatics has just published its latest issue at http://www.ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej. We invite you to review the Table of Contents here and then visit our web site to review articles and items of interest. Thanks for the continuing interest in our work, Michael Gurstein Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics, Vancouver CANADA Phone 604-602-0624 gurstein at gmail.com The Journal of Community Informatics Vol 9, No 3 (2013): Special Issue: CI and the Co-Creation of Innovation Table of Contents http://www.ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/issue/view/47 Editorial Introduction HTML Susana Finquelievich, Mariana Salgado Community Innovation and Community Informatics HTML Michael Gurstein Articles The Emergence and Development of a Regional Living Lab: The Case of San Luis, Argentina HTML Susana Finquelievich The ecology of linking technologies: toward a non-instrumental look at new technological repertoires HTML Rocío Gómez Facilitating community innovation: The Outils-Réseaux Way HTML Lorna Heaton, Florence Millerand, Serge Proulx Are the Users Driving, and How Open is Open? Experiences from Living Lab and User Driven Innovation projects HTML Kari-Hans Kommonen, Andrea Botero Communities, Crowds and Focal Sites: Fine-Tuning the Theoretical Grounding of Collaboration Online HTML Azi Lev-On The Emergence of Converging Communities via Twitter HTML Cecilia Loureiro-Koechlin, Tim Butcher Collaborative Knowledge Creation in Development Networks: Lessons Learned from a Transnational Programme HTML Fabio Nascimbeni RLABS: A SOUTH AFRICAN PERSPECTIVE ON A COMMUNITY-DRIVEN APPROACH TO COMMUNITY INFORMATICS HTML Marlon Parker, Julia Wills, Gary Brian Wills Museums as Living Labs Challenge, Fad or Opportunity? HTML Mariana Salgado Reviews Digital Habitats – stewarding technology for communities HTML Joanna Saad Sulonen Case Studies Appropriation of ICTs by informal communities in metropolitan cities. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Thu May 2 13:31:47 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 20:31:47 +0300 Subject: [governance] MM blog post on what is really threatening Internet Freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5182A303.5050604@gmail.com> On 2013/04/30 10:32 PM, McTim wrote: > Get over the stuff about ‘Googledom’ and ‘Facebookistan.’ It’s a cute > metaphor but there is really no comparison between sovereigns and > these businesses. This is an a priorism, and like Miltons allusions that private is better than public, seems plausible only if one accepts certain premises. From my Third World perspective the worst is when the private sector and the state get together to pursue their interests (as Larry Summers once said, for every dollar given to the World Bank by the US, US corporations generate a reasonable multiple back for themselves - of course we end up stuck with the white elephants and conditioning debt). The relationship between many US multinationals is rather intimate some might say incestuous. From this vantage, the difference is merely one of degree rather than kind. Just think of Bush and the private telcos granted RETROSPECTIVE immunity. Retrospectivity, like torture, is one of those grundnorms of law, so unstated, but pivotal to law... That said, the Leviathan (not in it presumptively bad attenuation) needs to be guarded against. Even more so, State and Corporate alliances. Riaz -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Thu May 2 13:43:21 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 20:43:21 +0300 Subject: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <5182A5B9.5020703@gmail.com> I will not nitpick arguments, but MMs position is something Libertarian and/or New Institutionalist (seems not to me like that of Galbraith or Richard Ely or Thorstein Veblen, but I may be wrong). On this basis, the argument put forth by MM are not convincing, aside from my libertarian critique or New Institutional critique, which relates to assuming that contracts signed between two consenting parties is just that, a bilateral arrangement made under conditions of 'freedom' or liberty. The presumption here is that there are no externalities generated by such a contract. There can be many externalities to such arrangements (to pre-empt I am not against the private sector when it delivers the 'goods'). There are external effects, such as the net neutrality position put forward below, i.e. the arrangement generates an externality. In this case it simply happens to relate to Net Neutrality, but externalities can be of many forms, for example as Curran posted the action taken against a website that was found to be legal in Spain but not in the US, justifying take down. Cognisant of the fact that there are positive and negative externalities, and that circumstances are novel, some Darwinian selection is needed (increase fecundity), and so some leeway is needed. However I simply cannot start off from the presumption that bilateral arrangements are liberty or freedom (it is a particular type of freedom with a particular kind of voluntrism, everyone is free to sleep under bridges, as Louis put it) and interference with it is presumptively bad. We can see what this light touch freedom has done to Americans in finance - the conservative system was broken down, innovation in finance occurred because of free contracts in the name of efficiency, consequently the US is back to home ownership levels pre-1995. If this can happen in finance, it can happen in any sector. Therefore, from just one vantage, that of externalities much more will need to be adduced to be convincing on this point. And since it also boils down to law in the end. One cannot understand the law except with the exception - the totality - or Das Ganz. So from this vantage the private only has meaning if we articulate what we mean by public. One without the other is like, one hand clapping... Riaz On 2013/04/29 09:03 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > I can't say if this is what Mawaki meant, but there are many mobile > Internet services around the world (including mine, Maxis here in > Malaysia) that give you free or cheaper access to Facebook than to > other social networking websites. > > OK, so this is at least a substantive issue, but this is a classic > nondiscrimination issue that is typically debated in the context of > network neutrality. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "public > goods" character of the internet or with "the commons." You do not get > any traction on that debate by slinging those words around. If you > want to make a net neutrality statement, make a net neutrality > statement, at least people will know what you are talking about. > > Also, devices such as phones and game consoles typically allow a > gatekeeper to approve what apps you can use to access the Internet. > For example I have an iPhone, and I want to use a Bitcoin client on it > - but I can't, because Apple decided I can't; and I want to install a > Bittorrent app on my PS3, but I can't, because Sony decided I can't. > I presume that you have read Zittrain's "The Future of the Internet", > which although becoming dated now gives many other examples. > > Again, this is a matter of the benefits or costs of the platform > operator having the authority to internalize the externalities of the > internet by making decisions about which apps/services can be excluded > and which cannot. There are two sides to that debate. The platform > operators argue that they should have editorial discretion; some > consumer groups actually _/want/_ platform operators to make those > decisions; many economists and regulators feel that competition among > platform operators is enough to keep abuses in check. There are > various examples of where public pressure has ended some arbitrary > incidents of discrimination. My purpose here is not to take either of > those sides, it is to point out that that debate has little to do with > the "public goods" character of the internet. Nor do I see what we > contribute to that debate with a vague invocation of "the commons." > > An app platform operated as a "public good" or "commons" would mean > what, exactly? That it is run by the government/public sector? Or that > there was no management at all, anyone could put anything on it, > including malware, phishing exploits, advertising driven stuff, and no > one would have any right to remove it, even if thousands of consumers > complain about it? But if there is selection, then who decides what is > selected and under what criteria? The government? Think that'll be > better? Which government? > > In sum, the policy prescription implied by such characterization is > not clear. This is still a meaningless statement. > > Also, we are still lacking evidence that this is a growing problem. 6 > years ago, when I first started studying mobile network neutrality, > mobile walled gardens were the NORM. Most mobile operators confined > you to a restricted set of special services they had deals with. The > advent of the iPhone completed eliminated that model. The mobile > internet is far more open now than it was then. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Fri May 3 07:23:01 2013 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 04:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] CSTD-WG on EC 2nd Meeting (30-31 May 2013) In-Reply-To: <514824F9.5060407@apc.org> References: <51409F30.6090805@apc.org> <5140A0F6.30909@apc.org> <514824F9.5060407@apc.org> Message-ID: <1367580181.19878.YahooMailNeo@web125103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dear All,  Second meeting of the CSTD Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation is being held on 30-31 May 2013 (before the CSTD 16th session in June). So, I would request the IGC members selected in the CSTD working group and Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen (the CIVIL SOCIETY FOCAL POINT) to please keep all of us informed with the contributions and activities of the WG. @Anriette what about your proposed workshop and what other proposals are under discussion which are regarding Internet Governance? In order to comply with the mandated (given by the resolution of the UN GA), what strategy is being developed to engage all of the member states and stakeholders and who are invited and expected to attend 2nd meeting of 30-31 May, while (perhaps) the 1st meeting is still pending due to availability of resources? Thanks, Imran Ahmed Shah >________________________________ > From: Anriette Esterhuysen >To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2013, 13:42 >Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation : Update > > >Dear all > >In my earlier message I said I would get confirmation from nominees for >this working group before I released the names of the candidates. > >By the deadline that I gave them to express objections only one person >did so.  I am therefore in a position to release 18 of the original 19 >names. > >Thank you again to all these people for their willingness to serve on >the CSTD Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation and the effort they put >into the nomination process, and to the selection group for their >assistance. Thank you also to the IGC Nomcom for their work in >preselecting the IGC nominees. > >The names are included in the attached document. The shortlisted >candidates that I recommended to the CSTD chair were: > >(in alphabetical order with the region they are based in) > >Avri Doria (N America) >Carlos Afonso (A America) >Don McClean (N America) >Grace Githaiga (Africa) >Jeremy Malcolm (Asia Pacific) >Joy Liddicoat (Asia Pacific) >Parminder Jeet Singh (Asia Pacific) >William Drake (Europe) > >I was asked for 6 names (3 from developing countries and 3 from >developed countries) but I added an additional two names of people who >had scored very highly in the process and who had particular expertise >to contribute. It might also be good to have alternates in case any of >the 6 would not be able to fulfil the commitment. > >Best regards > >Anriette > > >On 13/03/2013 17:53, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >> >> >> Dear all >> >> *Update from the CS focal point for the convening of the CSTD WG on >> Enhanced Cooperation* >> >> *Background* >> I was asked by the chair of the CSTD (Ambassador Miguel Julian Palomino >> de la Gala from Peru) to be the focal point for selecting civil society >> participants. My task was to come up with 3 names from developing >> countries, and 3 from developed countries/ From these 6 names the final >> 5 would be selected by Ambassador de la Gala. >> >> To help me with this task, and to make it more inclusive I approached 7 >> individuals that are active in internet-related civil society spaces >> and/or organisations. We were not meant to be the perfect group or a >> formal 'nomcom'. Nevertheless they are all individuals that I personally >> trust and respect and whom believe are trusted by those in civil society >> that know them and that have worked with them. >> >> I tried to make the group regionally diverse by having one person each >> from Asia, Africa, Europe, North America and South America. In >> recognition of the IGC's role in our sector, and and because both of >> them are such committed facilitators of civil society participation, I >> invited two past Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) coordinators. >> >> The composition of the selection group was as follows: >> >> Nnenna Nwakanma, FOSSFA - Africa >> Anja Kovacs, Internet Democracy - Asia >> Robin Gross, IP Justice - North America >> Fatima Cambronero,  AGEIA DENSI - Latin America >> Wolf Ludwig, Communica-CH/EuroDIG - Europe >> Ginger Paque - past-IGC coordinator >> Ian Peter - past-IGC coordinator >> Anriette Esterhuysen, APC - CSTD appointed civil society focal point and >> convenor of the group. >> >> >> I was assisted by my colleague Emilar Vushe as I was travelling for much >> of the period that we had to do our work. >> >> To avoid conflict of interest I deliberately did not invite anyone from >> APC (members or staff) to be on the selection group. I also withdrew >> from the internal APC process of selection of nominees, and, as a >> further measure to prevent conflict of interest and to create >> opportunities for others, I decided not to make myself available for >> nomination for the group. I had served on the previous CSTD Working >> Group on IGF Improvements and felt it was good to give others a chance. >> >> *Nominees* >> To make the call as wide as possible, within the extremely short >> timeframe I posted to the several lists and encouraged people to spread >> the call. In the text of my message I encouraged people from outside the >> narrow internet governance community to participate. We received 20 >> nominations. One withdrew, leaving us with 19 to review. I am happy to >> disclose the names of all the nominees but I want to check with them >> first in case they have any objection to this. >> >> *'Endorsed' or pre-selected nominations* >> Some nominations were submitted by the and some by civil society >> networks or organisations. Some of the nominations were also 'endorsed' >> or supported by other individuals or organisations. >> >> To recognise the effort that has gone into these pre-selection processes >> and endorsements I pre-assigned a score of 1 to these candidates. I felt >> that any higher number would not be fair, as it was not mentioned as a >> requirement in the call for nominations. >> >> *Scoring process* >> Scoring was done using a score sheet with criteria based on my >> understanding of what will be involved in the work of the working group. >> The selection group assigned a score of 1 to 5 to each candidate against >> each of the criteria with the lowest score being 1 and the highest 5. >> The selection group was encouraged, to be as fair as possible, to score >> candidates on the basis of the information in their nomination forms. >> >> >> The criteria were as follows: >> >> >>  * Experience and expertise in public-interest oriented policy >> processes. >> >>  * Experience and expertise in EC in relation to WSIS and IG >> >>  * Ablity and commitment to put in the work and travel >> >>  * Ability to work collaboratively and confidently in multi-stakeholder >>    processes that involves both consensus building and dealing with >>    conflicting interests. >> >> >> *Shortlist* >> Based on the initial scoring I compiled a short list of 12 people. I >> then asked to selection group to review the short list, and rank them in >> order of their suitability for the WG and to give consideration to >> regional and gender balance. >> >> >> *Submission to CSTD Chair* >> After the second round of reviewing by the selection group I came up >> with a list of 8 names (the required 6 -- who were the most highly >> ranked by the selection group - with two more names from the top 12 whom >> I felt would bring particular expertise to the group) which I submitted >> to the CSTD for the Chair's final review and selection. I am not sure >> yet when the composition of the WG will be announced but I know that >> the CSTD will do this as quickly as possible. >> >> Thank you to everyone who made themselves available for nomination. >> There was huge interest in this Working Group, and the quality of the >> candidates made selection (particularly in some regions) extremely >> difficult. As I don't know the outcome of the CSTD Chair's decision, and >> as I have not communicated directly with nominees, I would rather not >> disclose the names of those that I recommended at this stage. >> >> I do want to point out to all who were nominated or nominated >> themselves that even if you do not make it onto the Working Group, >> there will still be opportunities to participate in its work through >> participating in whatever processes it establishes to get input from >> the broader internet community. >> >> My sincere thanks to the members of the selection group. Firstly, every >> person I asked said yes! I was impressed and grateful. >> >> >> Then they proceeded to work very hard, in a very short timeframe. They >> undertook the work with the seriousness it deserves. I would not have >> been able to do this without their input. In fact, this process >> confirmed my belief in the value of the 'small crowd' and in civil >> society's ability to deal with the complexity of such selection >> processes with good judgement and as much fairness as possible. >> >> >> Anriette Esterhuysen >> >> >> >> > >-- >------------------------------------------------------ >anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >executive director, association for progressive communications >www.apc.org >po box 29755, melville 2109 >south africa >tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Fri May 3 09:19:56 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 18:49:56 +0530 Subject: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> On Monday 29 April 2013 11:33 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > I can't say if this is what Mawaki meant, but there are many mobile > Internet services around the world (including mine, Maxis here in > Malaysia) that give you free or cheaper access to Facebook than to > other social networking websites. > > OK, so this is at least a substantive issue, but this is a classic > nondiscrimination issue that is typically debated in the context of > network neutrality. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "public > goods" character of the internet or with "the commons." You do not get > any traction on that debate by slinging those words around. If you > want to make a net neutrality statement, make a net neutrality > statement, at least people will know what you are talking about. > Net neutrality (NN) is a sub issue of the larger commons/ public good framing. Well, now that you tell me that we should make a NN statement so that people at least know what we are taking about, I cant but take you to a few months back when we tried to make an NN statement; as a workshop proposal to the IGF. Then some IGC-ians, including some of those who now also oppose a common/ public goods statement, opposed the NN statement using the same argument, that NN is a term without a clear enough meaning !? Never mind that a few countries have NN legislations. Consequently, IGC could not use the term NN in its workshop proposal. Now, that tells us two things. One, *beyond a point*, which concept is clear and meaningful and which not is a specific political preference. (For instance, many of those who find NN and Internet's commons/ public goods character as unclear or meaningless formulations never hesitate to use multistakeholder-ism or MSism in their statements. Now I know for sure that many times more people - at least outside the IGC - are clearer about what NN or commons/ public goods character of the Internet means than they are about what does MSism really mean.) Second, it is perhaps now established that this group is clearly unable to articulate any advocacy view which has political economy implications, or touches positive rights . It would remain confined to procedural issues, mainly promoting MSism, which is a code word for removing governments from wherever they can conceivably be removed from. (This connects to larger anti-political trends which I wont go into here.) At the most, it can support a statement on freedom of expression, which, in absence of articulation of at least the connected communication rights framework, look suspiciously close to US's hegemonic 'internet freedom' agenda. This is very disappointing, and would IMHO compromise the legitimacy of IGC as a premier global civil society group. If people have to go elsewhere to talk about and articulate political economy issues with respect to the global Internet and its governance, it is not a good thing. For one, there seems to be no elsewhere to go right now. That is a gap which may need to be filled. parminder > Also, devices such as phones and game consoles typically allow a > gatekeeper to approve what apps you can use to access the Internet. > For example I have an iPhone, and I want to use a Bitcoin client on it > - but I can't, because Apple decided I can't; and I want to install a > Bittorrent app on my PS3, but I can't, because Sony decided I can't. > I presume that you have read Zittrain's "The Future of the Internet", > which although becoming dated now gives many other examples. > > Again, this is a matter of the benefits or costs of the platform > operator having the authority to internalize the externalities of the > internet by making decisions about which apps/services can be excluded > and which cannot. There are two sides to that debate. The platform > operators argue that they should have editorial discretion; some > consumer groups actually _/want/_ platform operators to make those > decisions; many economists and regulators feel that competition among > platform operators is enough to keep abuses in check. There are > various examples of where public pressure has ended some arbitrary > incidents of discrimination. My purpose here is not to take either of > those sides, it is to point out that that debate has little to do with > the "public goods" character of the internet. Nor do I see what we > contribute to that debate with a vague invocation of "the commons." > > An app platform operated as a "public good" or "commons" would mean > what, exactly? That it is run by the government/public sector? Or that > there was no management at all, anyone could put anything on it, > including malware, phishing exploits, advertising driven stuff, and no > one would have any right to remove it, even if thousands of consumers > complain about it? But if there is selection, then who decides what is > selected and under what criteria? The government? Think that'll be > better? Which government? > > In sum, the policy prescription implied by such characterization is > not clear. This is still a meaningless statement. > > Also, we are still lacking evidence that this is a growing problem. 6 > years ago, when I first started studying mobile network neutrality, > mobile walled gardens were the NORM. Most mobile operators confined > you to a restricted set of special services they had deals with. The > advent of the iPhone completed eliminated that model. The mobile > internet is far more open now than it was then. 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First worldish, but a real universalist, who believes in a concept of freedom that I believe is emancipatory without being paternalistic. Thanks for this! Riaz On 2013/05/02 07:05 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > Since one of the dominant rationales and underlying themes concerning > the current discussions/structures of global Internet Governance is > concerned with issues of "Innovation" this special issue of the > Journal of Community Informatics is perhaps of particular interest > from several perspectives. > > The special issue presents an alternative/expanded view of the meaning > and nature of innovation, where those who are generally seen as the > object of innovation in fact, become the subject of innovation > (innovators) and where innovation is seen as a bottom up rather than > top down process. > > It does I think, further suggest the need/opportunity for an expanded > understanding of the nature and significance of innovation and > including who could/should be understood as "stakeholders" in the > multi-stakeholder processes where innovations including or especially > technical (informatics) applications are framed and undertaken. > > Finally, the special issue also includes a number of alternative > approaches and conceptions of "innovation" and suggests that just as > with multi-stakeholderism, the conventional approach to the > determination/definition of "innovation" would merit significant > scrutiny and extension to include those at the grassroots often > overlooked in such processes and analyses. > > M > > *From:*michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:55 AM > *To:* air-l at listserv.aoir.org > *Subject:* RE: [JoCI] New Special Issue: Community Informatics and > Co-Creation of Innovation > > The Journal of Community Informatics has just published its latest > issue at http://www.ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej.*//* > > We invite you to review the Table of Contents here and then visit our > web site to review articles and items of interest. > > Thanks for the continuing interest in our work, Michael Gurstein > Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics, Vancouver CANADA > Phone 604-602-0624 gurstein at gmail.com > > _The Journal of Community Informatics_ > > Vol 9, No 3 (2013): Special Issue: CI and the Co-Creation of > Innovation Table of Contents > > http://www.ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/issue/view/47 > > *//* > > *Editorial* > > Introduction > > > > HTML > > Susana Finquelievich, Mariana Salgado > > > > Community Innovation and Community Informatics > > > > > HTML > > Michael Gurstein > > > > *Articles* > > The Emergence and Development of a Regional Living Lab: The Case of > San Luis, Argentina > > > > > HTML > > Susana Finquelievich > > > > The ecology of linking technologies: toward a non-instrumental look at > new technological repertoires > > > > > HTML > > Rocío Gómez > > > > Facilitating community innovation: The Outils-Réseaux Way > > > > > HTML > > Lorna Heaton, Florence Millerand, Serge Proulx > > > > Are the Users Driving, and How Open is Open? 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Petition Fights Proposal For Digital Rights Management In Internet Core Just days after the celebration of 20 years of an open WorldWideWeb, more than two dozen advocacy group are circulating a petition to prevent the World Wide Web Consortium from accepting a proposal to allow restrictive new copyright measures on the key technology for accessing the internet. Link to the article: http://www.ip-watch.org/?p=28762&utm_source=post&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Fri May 3 15:19:06 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 22:19:06 +0300 Subject: [governance] 1,856 to Zero: Secret Spy Court Authorizes 100% of US Government Requests Message-ID: <51840DAA.8070307@gmail.com> [Not even a token denial... for plausibility...] Published on Friday, May 3, 2013 by Common Dreams 1,856 to Zero: Secret Spy Court Authorizes 100% of US Government Requests In court where civilians have no representative, government's "national security" claims win again and again - Lauren McCauley, staff writer A secret federal court last year did not deny a single request to search or electronically spy on people within the United States "for foreign intelligence purposes," according to a Justice Department report this week. (Photo: byungkyupark/ Flickr) The report (pdf) , which was released Tuesday to Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), states that during 2012, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (the "FISC") approved every single one of the 1,856 applications made by the government for authority to conduct electronic surveillance and/or physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes. This past year saw 5 percent more applications than 2011, though no requests were denied in either. Besides the numbers provided, no other information regarding the court and the court's decisions are made public. As /Wired's/ David Kravets explains: The secret court, which came to life in the wake of the Watergate scandal under the President Richard M. Nixon administration, now gets the bulk of its authority under the FISA Amendments Act, which Congress reauthorized for another five years days before it would have expired last year. The act allows the government to electronically eavesdrop on Americans' phone calls and e-mails without a probable-cause warrant so long as one of the parties to the communication is believed outside the United States. Previous to its 2012 reauthorization , Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said during a debate on amending the FISA Act, "The public has absolutely no idea what the court is actually saying. What it means is the country is in fact developing a secret body of law so Americans have no way of finding out how their laws and Constitution are being interpreted." Putting the FISC in context, Kevin Gosztola at /FireDogLake/ writes , "America has a court that reviews surveillance requests in secret and makes rulings in secret that are kept secret." He goes on to cite a 2008 Harvard Law Review, which critiqued the unique arrangement of the secret court system, to explain why the court's 100 percent acceptance rate may be unsurprising: One of the most striking elements of the FISA system is the total absence of adversariality. [t]he judge is forced not only to act as an arm of the prosecution in weighing the prosecution's arguments about whether disclosure would or would not compromise national security, but also to act as a defense lawyer in determining whether the information is useful to the defendant." Similarly, in reviewing a FISA application, the FISC must attempt the difficult, if not impossible, task of simultaneously occupying the roles of advocate and neutral arbiter --- all without the authority or ability to investigate facts or the time to conduct legal research. *The judge lacks, a skeptical advocate to vet the government's legal arguments, which is of crucial significance when the government is always able to claim the weight of national security expertise for its position. *It is questionable whether courts can play this role effectively, and, more importantly, whether they should. [emphasis added] The Justice Department report also noted that the government issued 15,229 National Security Letters last year. The letters, issued by the FBI compelling "internet service providers, credit companies, financial institutions and others to hand over confidential records about their customers," were declared unconstitutional in March. However, the decision was stayed 90 days pending the White House's expected appeal. _____________________ This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 3 15:20:11 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 21:20:11 +0200 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> Parminder wrote: > Second, it is perhaps now established that this group is clearly > unable to articulate any advocacy view which has political economy > implications, or touches positive rights [..] > This is very disappointing, and would IMHO compromise the legitimacy > of IGC as a premier global civil society group. It seems to be the case that the overall body of people who choose to engage in Internet governance under a "civil society" banner is very far from having consensus in this topic area. In this situation, it would undermine the legitimacy of IGC's claim of being representative of the broad spectrum of civil society in Internet governance to articulate a substantive advocacy view that does not actually represent at least a rough consensus. (It is very good of course that we have procedural rules that are designed for preventing that from happening.) > If people have to go elsewhere to talk about and articulate political > economy issues with respect to the global Internet and its > governance, it is not a good thing. For one, there seems to be no > elsewhere to go right now. That is a gap which may need to be filled. Talking and articulating positions can be done here, even if the resulting statements do not reach consensus or rough consensus. If there is a desire for IGC to set up an infrastructure for developing advocacy statements beyond what IGC is able to agree on by consensus or rough consensus (I'm thinking of sign-on statements that would have the support of some subset of the IGC members), I don't see any reason why that couldn't be done. In fact this might be the best possible interpretation of what the IGC mission statement says about providing a forum for advocacy. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 3 15:55:01 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 21:55:01 +0200 Subject: [governance] CSTD-WG on EC 2nd Meeting (30-31 May 2013) In-Reply-To: <1367580181.19878.YahooMailNeo@web125103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <51409F30.6090805@apc.org> <5140A0F6.30909@apc.org> <514824F9.5060407@apc.org> <1367580181.19878.YahooMailNeo@web125103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20130503215501.1c3abef8@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Second meeting Actually the first meeting, since the original plan of having a meeting in April was not carried out. > of the CSTD Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation is > being held on 30-31 May 2013 (before the CSTD 16th session in June). Does anyone have reliable information on whether those 30-31 May 2013 are definitive now? > So, I would request the IGC members selected in the CSTD working group > and Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen (the CIVIL SOCIETY FOCAL POINT) to please > keep all of us informed with the contributions and activities of the > WG. According to information that I have received a while back from the CSTD secretariat, I will be able to attend as an observer on behalf of the IGC. I intend to do so, and of course report here on the list. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 3 20:30:04 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 02:30:04 +0200 Subject: [governance] Written contributions and inputs on the 2013 IGF preparations Message-ID: <20130504023004.1af811a2@quill.bollow.ch> There's a Call for Contributions on the IGF website which says: Stakeholders are invited to send their written contributions and inputs on the 2013 IGF preparations, to igf at unog.ch . The deadline for sending the contributions is 18 May 2013. Are there some specific questions that civil society MAG members feel that it would be valuable to have input on beyond what is already contained in IGC's statement of earlier this year? Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joy at apc.org Fri May 3 21:48:48 2013 From: joy at apc.org (joy) Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 13:48:48 +1200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> Message-ID: <51846900.5080809@apc.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I am sharing the invitation to Working Group members (message below) which includes details about the upcoming first meeting of the working group on 30-31 May in Geneva (and apologies for any cross postings). I do not yet know what the format of the meeting will be and only have a very broad outline of the working methods. Probably of most substantive interest is the the proposed discussion on the themes for the groups mandate, on which a questionnairre and survey will be developed as the work rolls out this year and early next - for ease of reference I have posted this list inline below. Note that this list is simply a redaction of previous discussions and has been developed as a summary of points raised in 2012 meetings. I can't vouch for its accuracy. With other deadlines this week (IGF workshops, WSIS, WTPF, etc) civil society participants have not yet been focussing on this upcoming meeting yet, but of course, please do share your comments and ideas in the coming weeks. Kind regards Joy Liddicoat *Shopping list of themes for WGEC* *Overarching issues:* ? Definition and understanding of ?enhanced cooperation? ? Role of enhanced cooperation vis-à-vis the IGF (some countries think IGF is already enhanced cooperation) ? Procedure used to identify specific themes ? Undertaking a mapping exercise of themes to identify what has been achieved / what is outstanding / what are the opportunities ? What are the public policy issues at global level? * * * * *SUBTHEMES* * * *1. Digital divide* * * ? How to deal with asymmetric Internet governance regimes and the emergence of regional and multilateral arrangements for discussion mainly in the North ? The South is preoccupied with access to the Internet, while the North leads privacy, e-commerce, IP and online digital enforcement. This is not a democratic approach and narrows choices for developing countries. There is a need to harmonize initiatives from the North and South to prevent fragmentation (?Digital domination?, ?digital dependency?) *2. Reaching out to developing countries/LDCs* * * ? Improving accessibility and affordability of the Internet (including through the use of Universal Service Funds) ? Adaptability of online services for devices used in developing countries (such as specific versions of mobile phones) ? E-commerce: Compatibility of online payment processors with Africa ? Tackling unemployment in developing countries through adoption of e-solutions *3. IP, copyright and censorship* * * ? Copyright enforcement of Internet content at national level ? Licensing of Internet content by companies ? Accessibility of content ? Internet censorship at national level ? Internet freedom: Freedom of expression, Freedom of information ? Piracy ? Freedom of accessing information (blocking content for countries due to political reasons) ? Fostering innovation on the Internet *4. Applications, content and literacy* * * ? Promoting content and linguistic diversity ? What Internet applications can be supported and prioritized as part of enhanced cooperation (e-health, e-education) ? E-governance, e-commerce, infotainment, resource mapping and meteorological and other essential services ? Capacity building for Internet literacy *5. R&D and technical/engineering cooperation* * * ? Naming / global domain name system / Top level domains (arabic .ar domain name) ? Addressing / IPv6 adoption ? Research and development (for example Domain Name System Security Extensions - DNSSEC) *6. Internet governance* * * ? Internet governance and institutionalization (including the question of how to institutionalize/formalize multi-stakeholder governance and decision-making) ? Definition of equal footing in multi-stakeholder collaboration ? Roles and responsibilities - for example, standard setting and legislation vs. day-to-day technical administration ? Privatization of regulation: Open public Internet is narrowing down. No opportunity to opt out of or scrutinize Internet regulation that was envisioned and developed by the private sector ? Politicization of Internet governance and erosion of multi-stakeholderism (lack of non-governmental participation). ? Transparency and accountability in governance (for example, ICANN and the role of GAC) ? Reducing the cost of governance and improving transparency/reducing corruption with the help of the Internet (e-government) ? Oversight/governance of the technical and logical infrastructure of the Internet ? Independent reviews of different aspects of the Internet (accountability, transparency, stability?) ? Hard law vs. soft law for regulation ? How to continuously adapt Internet governance and enhanced cooperation institutions to a rapidly-changing Internet? ? The sovereign right of states in defining public policy on the Internet ? Multilateral, stable funding of IGF and WGEC *7. Security* * * ? Management and protection of Internet resources and infrastructure / measuring infrastructure performance ? Security and Safety / Cybercrime / Rule of law on the Internet ? Protecting children ? Privacy ? International ownership of data (cloud) ? Access to troubleshooting - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:12:57 +0200 From: Peter Major To: [snip] Dear Friends, I hope that you have received my invitation letter to the first meeting of the CSTD Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation (WGEC) to be held the 30 May in the afternoon and the 31 May the whole day in the Conference Centre of Varembé (CCV) in Geneva (http://www.cicg.ch/en/the-ccv/ ). The WGEC, mandated by the resolution of the UN GA, should "examine the mandate of WSIS regarding Enhanced Cooperation, through seeking, compiling and reviewing inputs from all Member States and all other stakeholders, and to make recommendations on how to fully implement this mandate". To comply with this resolution I suggest that during our first meeting we carefully determine the relevant topics on Enhanced Cooperation with the view to create a questionnaire to be sent out to all Member States and all other stakeholder. As you know the Chair of the 15th Session of the CSTD conducted and Open Consultation on the 18 May 2012. You may find useful to read the attached transcripts of this Consultation in preparation for our meeting. Copies of presentations and contributions are available at http://unctad.org/en/pages/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingid=61. Summary report of the Open Consultation is available at http://unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/ecn162012crp2_en.pdf. Links to the webcasts are available at http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/#friday. I also attach for your consideration a document prepared by the Secretariat based on the transcripts. The document lists the topics mentioned during the Open Consultation on the 18 May 2012. I would like to have your suggestions, comments and observations focusing on our mandate. I need your support to efficiently manage our work. I would like to ask member states having more than one person on their delegation to designate one person to express views on behalf of the respective delegation. I am confident that each delegation will contribute to the successful completion of our task. Please, do not hesitate to contact me in case you have questions, remarks or suggestions. I look forward meeting you in Geneva. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Fri May 3 22:44:40 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 19:44:40 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <51846900.5080809@apc.org> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> Message-ID: <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Hi, Joy, thanks for sending this to the caucus. For myself, once I understand what all we are up to in the WG, I plan to communicate with the IGC and others doing periodic reporting in and request for feedback. At this point I am just waiting until it gets underway. Other than the fact that there is a first meeting 30-31 May, there isn't much I know. For example I am still hoping for an open meeting, at least to the extent of streaming audio. But I do not know what the plans are, having heard no formal plans on that sort of thing. I have heard it rumored that the first meeting may be closed until such time as it decides to be open (ala MAG model?), but I don't really have any definitive info. I have sent in a question. Now back to planning for WTPF, WSIS, IGF and workshops. joy wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi all >I am sharing the invitation to Working Group members (message below) >which includes details about the upcoming first meeting of the working >group on 30-31 May in Geneva (and apologies for any cross postings). I >do not yet know what the format of the meeting will be and only have a >very broad outline of the working methods. > >Probably of most substantive interest is the the proposed discussion on >the themes for the groups mandate, on which a questionnairre and survey >will be developed as the work rolls out this year and early next - for >ease of reference I have posted this list inline below. Note that this >list is simply a redaction of previous discussions and has been >developed as a summary of points raised in 2012 meetings. I can't vouch >for its accuracy. > >With other deadlines this week (IGF workshops, WSIS, WTPF, etc) civil >society participants have not yet been focussing on this upcoming >meeting yet, but of course, please do share your comments and ideas in >the coming weeks. > >Kind regards > > >Joy Liddicoat > Avri Doria -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat May 4 01:45:21 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 11:15:21 +0530 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> On Saturday 04 May 2013 12:50 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Parminder wrote: > >> Second, it is perhaps now established that this group is clearly >> unable to articulate any advocacy view which has political economy >> implications, or touches positive rights > [..] > >> This is very disappointing, and would IMHO compromise the legitimacy >> of IGC as a premier global civil society group. > It seems to be the case that the overall body of people who choose to > engage in Internet governance under a "civil society" banner is very > far from having consensus in this topic area. In this situation, it > would undermine the legitimacy of IGC's claim of being representative > of the broad spectrum of civil society in Internet governance to > articulate a substantive advocacy view that does not actually represent > at least a rough consensus. Norbert, I am pointing to a dis-balance - a serious dis-balance against issues of social and economic justice in the manner the IGC is able to output positions. Claim of lack of consensus is a legitimate factor in dealing with specific issues, but when it becomes structural, resulting in systematic and permanent blocking of certain kinds of issues - which may be more pertinent to certain classes of people and generally to certain geographies, the phenomenon becomes open to being questioned. I point to this larger structural feature. I am not seeking that any particular position be articulated and adopted by the caucus. Today, not only the IGC, but several other platforms and groups are available to articulate and push views around FoE, which is very good and useful. There is a connected strong bulwark against any governmental claim over the internet, including the legitimate ones which are required to develop and enforce a large range of very much needed pulbic policies and laws (net neutrality being just one of them). On the other hand, there seems to be almost no platform to articulate and advocate issues of social and economic justice. Is it anyone's case here that the Internet and its governance do not throw up a host of very serious issues of this kind. How do these issues get dealt? Does it not indicate a serious political economy dis-balance whereby the claimed premier civil society group systematically serves issues that seem dear to certain classes and general geographies and not other kinds of issues that are specifically important, and even urgent, to other classes and geographies. Claiming absence of consensus does not cover up this deep structural problem, although it may be a good, and even appropriate, response for a co-co to give in this particular case, > Talking and articulating positions can be done here, even if the > resulting statements do not reach consensus or rough consensus. > > If there is a desire for IGC to set up an infrastructure for developing > advocacy statements beyond what IGC is able to agree on by consensus > or rough consensus (I'm thinking of sign-on statements that would > have the support of some subset of the IGC members), I don't see any > reason why that couldn't be done. In fact this might be the best > possible interpretation of what the IGC mission statement says about > providing a forum for advocacy. It is fine if this is the interpretation of what IGC is, not much of an advocacy group but a kind of an open platform or forum for civil society groups. And I am increasingly inclined or maybe resigned to this perspective. But that still begs an organised constituency and group at the global level that can systematically deal with Internet governance issues pertaining to social and economic justice. This is the gap that I spoke about in my previous email. parminder > > Greetings, > Norbert > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Sat May 4 08:03:25 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 20:03:25 +0800 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bo llow.ch> Message-ID: <73E79791-65F9-4CA0-A15C-E48E7FF63EA4@ciroap.org> On 4 May, 2013, at 3:20 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> If people have to go elsewhere to talk about and articulate political >> economy issues with respect to the global Internet and its >> governance, it is not a good thing. For one, there seems to be no >> elsewhere to go right now. That is a gap which may need to be filled. > > Talking and articulating positions can be done here, even if the > resulting statements do not reach consensus or rough consensus. > > If there is a desire for IGC to set up an infrastructure for developing > advocacy statements beyond what IGC is able to agree on by consensus > or rough consensus (I'm thinking of sign-on statements that would > have the support of some subset of the IGC members), I don't see any > reason why that couldn't be done. In fact this might be the best > possible interpretation of what the IGC mission statement says about > providing a forum for advocacy. Best Bits uses that exact model. We endeavour to produce a consensus, but at the end of the day anyone can opt out because the statements are not from Best Bits as a collective, they are from the named signatories who attended a Best Bits meeting (in person or remotely). So that's one of several reasons why I didn't think Best Bits was duplicating the IGC. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat May 4 08:52:49 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 18:22:49 +0530 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <73E79791-65F9-4CA0-A15C-E48E7FF63EA4@ciroap.org> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bo llow.ch> <73E79791-65F9-4CA0-A15C-E48E7FF63EA4@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <518504A1.7020208@itforchange.net> On Saturday 04 May 2013 05:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 4 May, 2013, at 3:20 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >>> If people have to go elsewhere to talk about and articulate political >>> economy issues with respect to the global Internet and its >>> governance, it is not a good thing. For one, there seems to be no >>> elsewhere to go right now. That is a gap which may need to be filled. >> Talking and articulating positions can be done here, even if the >> resulting statements do not reach consensus or rough consensus. >> >> If there is a desire for IGC to set up an infrastructure for developing >> advocacy statements beyond what IGC is able to agree on by consensus >> or rough consensus (I'm thinking of sign-on statements that would >> have the support of some subset of the IGC members), I don't see any >> reason why that couldn't be done. In fact this might be the best >> possible interpretation of what the IGC mission statement says about >> providing a forum for advocacy. > Best Bits uses that exact model. We endeavour to produce a consensus, but at the end of the day anyone can opt out because the statements are not from Best Bits as a collective, they are from the named signatories who attended a Best Bits meeting (in person or remotely). So that's one of several reasons why I didn't think Best Bits was duplicating the IGC. Whereby you are confirming that IGC''s primary focus is not, and has not been, what Norbert seems to suggest its primary focus now can be, or possibly the best interpretation of its mission statement always meant it to be :) . I think IGC is into a really deep existentialist dilemma . parminder -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sat May 4 10:04:30 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 07:04:30 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: Update: It does seen, if i understand correctly, that at last the first meeting will be closed to all but members. I think this an unfortunate mistake, but I do not know how to change that just yet. So my first cause in this WGEC is to argue for opening all meetings, including this first one, at least to the same extent that the organizations with which enhanced cooperation is desired open their meetings. At the very least I will be arguing that all meetings, including the first, have live streaming and that all email lists have open archives. I hope others will join me in this attempt, but I am not assuming that just because we come from civil society or even may have been put forward by the same groups, that we will have any notion of a common front. I understand that we come from diverse stands of civil society and that we advocate differently for a variety of goals. Avri Doria wrote: >Hi, > >Joy, thanks for sending this to the caucus. > >For myself, once I understand what all we are up to in the WG, I plan >to communicate with the IGC and others doing periodic reporting in and >request for feedback. At this point I am just waiting until it gets >underway. Other than the fact that there is a first meeting 30-31 May, >there isn't much I know. > >For example I am still hoping for an open meeting, at least to the >extent of streaming audio. But I do not know what the plans are, having >heard no formal plans on that sort of thing. I have heard it rumored >that the first meeting may be closed until such time as it decides to >be open (ala MAG model?), but I don't really have any definitive info. >I have sent in a question. > >Now back to planning for WTPF, WSIS, IGF and workshops. > >joy wrote: > >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Hi all >>I am sharing the invitation to Working Group members (message below) >>which includes details about the upcoming first meeting of the working >>group on 30-31 May in Geneva (and apologies for any cross postings). I >>do not yet know what the format of the meeting will be and only have a >>very broad outline of the working methods. >> >>Probably of most substantive interest is the the proposed discussion >on >>the themes for the groups mandate, on which a questionnairre and >survey >>will be developed as the work rolls out this year and early next - for >>ease of reference I have posted this list inline below. Note that this >>list is simply a redaction of previous discussions and has been >>developed as a summary of points raised in 2012 meetings. I can't >vouch >>for its accuracy. >> >>With other deadlines this week (IGF workshops, WSIS, WTPF, etc) civil >>society participants have not yet been focussing on this upcoming >>meeting yet, but of course, please do share your comments and ideas in >>the coming weeks. >> >>Kind regards >> >> >>Joy Liddicoat >> >Avri Doria ~~~ avri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sat May 4 10:44:10 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 07:44:10 -0700 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <4cfc6355-9507-4bd2-b197-b975753cdd9e@email.android.com> Hi, I support the view Norbet puts forward. And I believe the IGC can achieve rough consensus on advocacy for many civil society positions and proposals. And I see no harm in putting out signatory based statements when rough consensus can't be found. Personally I could even line up behind advocacy on some, maybe even many, issues on social and economic justice. But they have been forward in such a caustic way of late there is no way I, personally, will align with those proposals, or encourage their proponents. I see Bestbits as a way to bring together people who focus their efforts in a variety of groups. As such it makes sense as a signatory group. IGC is a group of individuals not an aggregator of civil society groups as Bestbits is attempting to be; and I believe that if we ever leave the era of bullying we will once again be able to find rough consensus in IGC on many progressive topics. parminder wrote: > > > >> Talking and articulating positions can be done here, even if the >> resulting statements do not reach consensus or rough consensus. >> >> If there is a desire for IGC to set up an infrastructure for >developing >> advocacy statements beyond what IGC is able to agree on by consensus >> or rough consensus (I'm thinking of sign-on statements that would >> have the support of some subset of the IGC members), I don't see any >> reason why that couldn't be done. In fact this might be the best >> possible interpretation of what the IGC mission statement says about >> providing a forum for advocacy. >It is fine if this is the interpretation of what IGC is, not much of an > >advocacy group but a kind of an open platform or forum for civil >society >groups. And I am increasingly inclined or maybe resigned to this >perspective. But that still begs an organised constituency and group at > >the global level that can systematically deal with Internet governance >issues pertaining to social and economic justice. This is the gap that >I >spoke about in my previous email. > >parminder > > > >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> ~~~ avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nashton at consensus.pro Sat May 4 10:53:03 2013 From: nashton at consensus.pro (Nick Ashton-Hart) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 16:53:03 +0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something that the civil society participants can unanimously support. I will see if some of the other stakeholder groups will support it too. On 4 May 2013 16:04, "Avri Doria" wrote: > Update: > > It does seen, if i understand correctly, that at last the first meeting > will be closed to all but members. I think this an unfortunate mistake, but > I do not know how to change that just yet. > > So my first cause in this WGEC is to argue for opening all meetings, > including this first one, at least to the same extent that the > organizations with which enhanced cooperation is desired open their > meetings. At the very least I will be arguing that all meetings, including > the first, have live streaming and that all email lists have open archives. > > I hope others will join me in this attempt, but I am not assuming that > just because we come from civil society or even may have been put forward > by the same groups, that we will have any notion of a common front. I > understand that we come from diverse stands of civil society and that we > advocate differently for a variety of goals. > > Avri Doria wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Joy, thanks for sending this to the caucus. >> >> For myself, once I understand what all we are up to in the WG, I plan to communicate with the IGC and others doing periodic reporting in and request for feedback. At this point I am just waiting until it gets underway. Other than the fact that there is a first meeting 30-31 May, there isn't much I know. >> >> For example I am still hoping for an open meeting, at least to the extent of streaming audio. But I do not know what the plans are, having heard no formal plans on that sort of thing. I have heard it rumored that the first meeting may be closed until such time as it decides to be open (ala MAG model?), but I don't really have any definitive info. I have sent in a question. >> >> Now back to planning for WTPF, WSIS, IGF and workshops. >> >> joy wrote: >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Hi all >>> I am sharing the invitation to Working Group members (message below) >>> which includes details about the upcoming first meeting of the working >>> group on 30-31 May in Geneva (and apologies for any cross postings). I >>> do not yet know what the format of the meeting will be and only have a >>> very broad outline of the working methods. >>> >>> Probably of most substantive interest is the the proposed discussion on >>> the themes for the groups mandate, on which a questionnairre and survey >>> will be developed as the work rolls out this year and early next - for >>> ease of reference I have posted this list inline below. Note that this >>> list is simply a redaction of previous discussions and has been >>> developed as a summary of points raised in 2012 meetings. I can't >>> vouch >>> for its accuracy. >>> >>> With other deadlines this week (IGF workshops, WSIS, WTPF, etc) civil >>> society participants have not yet been focussing on this upcoming >>> meeting yet, but of course, please do share your comments and ideas in >>> the coming weeks. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> Joy Liddicoat >> >> >> Avri Doria >> >> > ~~~ > avri > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sat May 4 12:39:03 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:39:03 -0400 Subject: [governance] Fwd: CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something that the civil > society participants can unanimously support. I will see if some of the > other stakeholder groups will support it too.! I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain consensus. This is one example of social justice that we could get behind. It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on as well. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Sat May 4 13:46:48 2013 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 17:46:48 +0000 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <4cfc6355-9507-4bd2-b197-b975753cdd9e@email.android.com> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> <4cfc6355-9507-4bd2-b197-b975753cdd9e@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi, Avri, what do you mean by "they have been forward in such a caustic way" - by "they" are you referring to the issues on social and economic justice or something else, and what do you mean by the whole sentence? Thanks mawaki On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > I support the view Norbet puts forward. And I believe the IGC can achieve > rough consensus on advocacy for many civil society positions and proposals. > And I see no harm in putting out signatory based statements when rough > consensus can't be found. > > Personally I could even line up behind advocacy on some, maybe even many, > issues on social and economic justice. But they have been forward in such a > caustic way of late there is no way I, personally, will align with those > proposals, or encourage their proponents. > > I see Bestbits as a way to bring together people who focus their efforts > in a variety of groups. As such it makes sense as a signatory group. IGC > is a group of individuals not an aggregator of civil society groups as > Bestbits is attempting to be; and I believe that if we ever leave the era > of bullying we will once again be able to find rough consensus in IGC on > many progressive topics. > > parminder wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Talking and articulating positions can be done here, even if the > >> resulting statements do not reach consensus or rough consensus. > >> > >> If there is a desire for IGC to set up an infrastructure for > >developing > >> advocacy statements beyond what IGC is able to agree on by consensus > >> or rough consensus (I'm thinking of sign-on statements that would > >> have the support of some subset of the IGC members), I don't see any > >> reason why that couldn't be done. In fact this might be the best > >> possible interpretation of what the IGC mission statement says about > >> providing a forum for advocacy. > >It is fine if this is the interpretation of what IGC is, not much of an > > > >advocacy group but a kind of an open platform or forum for civil > >society > >groups. And I am increasingly inclined or maybe resigned to this > >perspective. But that still begs an organised constituency and group at > > > >the global level that can systematically deal with Internet governance > >issues pertaining to social and economic justice. This is the gap that > >I > >spoke about in my previous email. > > > >parminder > > > > > > > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Norbert > >> > > ~~~ > avri > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sat May 4 14:09:04 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 11:09:04 -0700 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> <4cfc6355-9507-4bd2-b197-b975753cdd9e@email.android.com> Message-ID: Mawaki Chango wrote: >Hi, > >Avri, what do you mean by "they have been forward in such a caustic >way" - >by "they" are you referring to the issues on social and economic >justice or >something else, and what do you mean by the whole sentence? Thanks > >mawaki > Typo: ...put forward in such a caustic ... ~~~ avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Sat May 4 14:43:46 2013 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 18:43:46 +0000 Subject: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good In-Reply-To: <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Of the intertwining of thought and the geographies of economy... For whatever it's worth, pre-Socratic Greek thinkers already saw a connection between geography and philosophy, notably across schools in the islands of the North-Eastern Mediterranean sea. With a globalized and further globalizing economy plus several layers of geo-strategic calculus, natural geography has long become less relevant in terms of providing any significant independent variables for shaping our thinking (in other words, in terms of determining the way we think and the outcome of our thinking.) As the other guy said: It's the economy, stupid! So now, it is not the natural geography but the economic geography that matters! And with economic geography (and power) comes political geography, too (in which "region(s)" Israel or New Zealand belong, again?) Well, power is everywhere, even within CS, isn't it? The most intriguing thing for people outside the US is that the people who seem to be most intent and relentless with every possible argument to shoot down the state (or disable the state altogether) are those very people whose state works the most effectively on their behalf particularly on the international stage, that is, on behalf of them citizens either directly or through the promotion of and support to their private corporations. Good for them! But I'd hope things might work better in forging shared interests and agreements if we could start from a mutual and deep understanding as to why such is the case in some parts of the world, particularly the US, and why such is NOT the case elsewhere. Does anyone here think they fully understand why a certain group of countries lean toward certain positions, and others the opposite direction? Might they have some legitimate reasons for that, including self-interest --whatever that means-- or is someone just plain stupid? If self-interest, is someone's self-interest more legitimate than others' and how does one determine that? Does anyone even seek to understand why the split? Why citizenry in some countries do believe they need the state, and that the state might even be their best chance to representation on the international stage? Does anyone really care to bridge the gap? Or are we just extending the war by all means but lethal weapons? After all, that is historically a huge achievement: civilization or the replacement of physical violence by language. Isn't that enough? We hear about the rule of the victor after a war (I believe there's even a standard phrase for that, which I'm forgetting.) But what happens before the war, how does power play out in time of peace? Ideally, the most powerful must be right! Yeah, things would work more smoothly if we all can just admit the self-evidence of the superiority of the self-interest of the most powerful (since no one can really demonstrate whose self-interest is more legitimate than others'). And if the least powerful want to prevent or deny them the right to be right, tension becomes high, very high, and transaction costs follow the same direction especially for those least powerful. However, I won't go as far as to say the most powerful will wage a war just to be right, just so that victorious they can rule the day after the war. But who am I to know how the most powerful think about such important things as war and peace, and all the power play in between? So one thing I seem to agree with MM on is that economy is of prime importance and determines everything else -- proof is that, along with its geographical variability, it is so deep-seated in our brains that it determines our way of thinking. Right? Truth be told, I only doubt about the might of the economy and economic motivations when I am visiting my mom's village... anyway, I've always suspected those people to be out of time, so don't mind them, an economic anomaly history shall rid us of. mawaki On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM, parminder wrote: > > On Monday 29 April 2013 11:33 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > ** ** > > ** ** > > I can't say if this is what Mawaki meant, but there are many mobile > Internet services around the world (including mine, Maxis here in Malaysia) > that give you free or cheaper access to Facebook than to other social > networking websites. **** > > OK, so this is at least a substantive issue, but this is a classic > nondiscrimination issue that is typically debated in the context of network > neutrality. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "public goods" > character of the internet or with "the commons." You do not get any > traction on that debate by slinging those words around. If you want to make > a net neutrality statement, make a net neutrality statement, at least > people will know what you are talking about. > > > Net neutrality (NN) is a sub issue of the larger commons/ public good > framing. Well, now that you tell me that we should make a NN statement so > that people at least know what we are taking about, I cant but take you to > a few months back when we tried to make an NN statement; as a workshop > proposal to the IGF. Then some IGC-ians, including some of those who now > also oppose a common/ public goods statement, opposed the NN statement > using the same argument, that NN is a term without a clear enough meaning > !? Never mind that a few countries have NN legislations. Consequently, IGC > could not use the term NN in its workshop proposal. > > Now, that tells us two things. > > One, *beyond a point*, which concept is clear and meaningful and which not > is a specific political preference. (For instance, many of those who find > NN and Internet's commons/ public goods character as unclear or meaningless > formulations never hesitate to use multistakeholder-ism or MSism in their > statements. Now I know for sure that many times more people - at least > outside the IGC - are clearer about what NN or commons/ public goods > character of the Internet means than they are about what does MSism really > mean.) > > Second, it is perhaps now established that this group is clearly unable to > articulate any advocacy view which has political economy implications, or > touches positive rights . It would remain confined to procedural issues, > mainly promoting MSism, which is a code word for removing governments from > wherever they can conceivably be removed from. (This connects to larger > anti-political trends which I wont go into here.) At the most, it can > support a statement on freedom of expression, which, in absence of > articulation of at least the connected communication rights framework, > look suspiciously close to US's hegemonic 'internet freedom' agenda. > > This is very disappointing, and would IMHO compromise the legitimacy of > IGC as a premier global civil society group. If people have to go elsewhere > to talk about and articulate political economy issues with respect to the > global Internet and its governance, it is not a good thing. For one, there > seems to be no elsewhere to go right now. That is a gap which may need to > be filled. > > parminder > > > **** > > Also, devices such as phones and game consoles typically allow a > gatekeeper to approve what apps you can use to access the Internet. For > example I have an iPhone, and I want to use a Bitcoin client on it - but I > can't, because Apple decided I can't; and I want to install a Bittorrent > app on my PS3, but I can't, because Sony decided I can't. I presume that > you have read Zittrain's "The Future of the Internet", which although > becoming dated now gives many other examples.**** > > Again, this is a matter of the benefits or costs of the platform operator > having the authority to internalize the externalities of the internet by > making decisions about which apps/services can be excluded and which > cannot. There are two sides to that debate. The platform operators argue > that they should have editorial discretion; some consumer groups actually _ > *want*_ platform operators to make those decisions; many economists and > regulators feel that competition among platform operators is enough to keep > abuses in check. There are various examples of where public pressure has > ended some arbitrary incidents of discrimination. My purpose here is not to > take either of those sides, it is to point out that that debate has little > to do with the "public goods" character of the internet. Nor do I see what > we contribute to that debate with a vague invocation of "the commons."**** > > An app platform operated as a "public good" or "commons" would mean what, > exactly? That it is run by the government/public sector? Or that there was > no management at all, anyone could put anything on it, including malware, > phishing exploits, advertising driven stuff, and no one would have any > right to remove it, even if thousands of consumers complain about it? But > if there is selection, then who decides what is selected and under what > criteria? The government? Think that'll be better? Which government? **** > > In sum, the policy prescription implied by such characterization is not > clear. This is still a meaningless statement. **** > > Also, we are still lacking evidence that this is a growing problem. 6 > years ago, when I first started studying mobile network neutrality, mobile > walled gardens were the NORM. Most mobile operators confined you to a > restricted set of special services they had deals with. The advent of the > iPhone completed eliminated that model. The mobile internet is far more > open now than it was then. Where is the evidence of a "growing trend?"**** > > ** ** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat May 4 23:59:09 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 09:29:09 +0530 Subject: [governance] Fwd: CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5185D90D.9000707@itforchange.net> On Saturday 04 May 2013 07:34 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Update: > > It does seen, if i understand correctly, that at last the first > meeting will be closed to all but members. I think this an unfortunate > mistake, but I do not know how to change that just yet. > > So my first cause in this WGEC is to argue for opening all meetings, > including this first one, at least to the same extent that the > organizations with which enhanced cooperation is desired open their > meetings. At the very least I will be arguing that all meetings, > including the first, have live streaming and that all email lists have > open archives. > > I hope others will join me in this attempt, but I am not assuming that > just because we come from civil society or even may have been put > forward by the same groups, that we will have any notion of a common > front. I understand that we come from diverse stands of civil society > and that we advocate differently for a variety of goals. Sunshine rules, or maximum openness, should apply to all public processes by default, unless a compelling case can be made to the contrary. I agree WG (working group on enhanced cooperation) meeting should be open. If we want to write something on it to the chair we can... Need for openness and sunshine rules also extend to other public processes associated with the WG, for instance of selecting its members, by all stakeholders. I also demand full openness on that, which has not been forthcoming. Can we also write to the chair seeking that all selection process holders publish the respective process of selection. To remind again, such publishing is required for MAG selections as per the recent report of the WG on improvements to the IGF. I dont see why should it then not be required for stakeholder rep selection process for other UN related groups./ committees. I am not insisting that we make the two demands together in a single representation, We can do it separately. parminder PS: We also need to write to UNDESA and IGF secretariat reminding them that the report of WG on IGF improvements requires that all stakeholder processes recommending reps for the MAG as well as the overall process be published. We havent seen it for the last round of MAG selections which happened after the UN Assembly had adopted the report. > > Avri Doria wrote: > > Hi, > > Joy, thanks for sending this to the caucus. > > For myself, once I understand what all we are up to in the WG, I plan to communicate with the IGC and others doing periodic reporting in and request for feedback. At this point I am just waiting until it gets underway. Other than the fact that there is a first meeting 30-31 May, there isn't much I know. > > For example I am still hoping for an open meeting, at least to the extent of streaming audio. But I do not know what the plans are, having heard no formal plans on that sort of thing. I have heard it rumored that the first meeting may be closed until such time as it decides to be open (ala MAG model?), but I don't really have any definitive info. I have sent in a question. > > Now back to planning for WTPF, WSIS, IGF and workshops. > > joy wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I am > sharing the invitation to Working Group members (message > below) which includes details about the upcoming first meeting > of the working group on 30-31 May in Geneva (and apologies for > any cross postings). I do not yet know what the format of the > meeting will be and only have a very broad outline of the > working methods. Probably of most substantive interest is the > the proposed discussion on the themes for the groups mandate, > on which a questionnairre and survey will be developed as the > work rolls out this year and early next - for ease of > reference I have posted this list inline below. Note that this > list is simply a redaction of previous discussions and has > been developed as a summary of points raised in 2012 meetings. > I can't vouch for its accuracy. With other deadlines this week > (IGF workshops, WSIS, WTPF, etc) civil society participants > have not yet been focussing on this upcoming meeting yet, but > of course, please do share your comments and ideas in the > coming weeks. Kind regards Joy Liddicoat > > > Avri Doria > > > ~~~ > avri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 5 00:10:47 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 09:40:47 +0530 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> <4cfc6355-9507-4bd2-b197-b975753cdd9e@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5185DBC7.8010206@itforchange.net> Avri You have really not responded to Mawaki's question, but nevertheless.... I invite you to put forward a non caustic approach to framing an IGC position on "promoting the commons and pulbic goods aspect of the Internet". We cannot lose substance for form, can we, or for personalities. parminder On Saturday 04 May 2013 11:39 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Mawaki Chango wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Avri, what do you mean by "they have been forward in such a caustic >> way" - >> by "they" are you referring to the issues on social and economic >> justice or >> something else, and what do you mean by the whole sentence? Thanks >> >> mawaki >> > Typo: ...put forward in such a caustic ... > ~~~ > avri > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 5 00:18:48 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 09:48:48 +0530 Subject: [governance] Malaysia elections and the Internet Message-ID: <5185DDA8.40602@itforchange.net> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/04/uk-malaysia-election-online-idUKBRE94309G20130504 In Malaysia, online election battles take a nasty turn (Reuters) - Ahead of Malaysia's elections on Sunday, independent online media say they are being targeted in Internet attacks which filter content and throttle access to websites, threatening to deprive voters of their main source of independent reporting. Independent online news sites have emerged in recent years to challenge the dominance of mostly government-linked traditional media. The government denies any attempts to hobble access to the Internet in the run-up to a close-fought election. "During the 2008 election we were wiped off the Internet," said Premesh Chandran, CEO of independent online news provider Malaysiakini. "Our concern is that we'll see a repeat of that on May 5. Can we really live without independent media on election night, given that both sides might not accept the result?" Malaysiakini was set up in the late 1990s to test the government's push to lure technology companies to the country by promising not to censor the Internet. Other news websites have followed, including The Malaysian Insider, which set up shop down the street from Malaysiakini in 2008. Such websites have emerged as an important source of news to counter the traditional media, most of which are owned by interests linked to the ruling Barisan Nasional or BN coalition. The BN's dominance of media is one of its crucial advantages as it fends off an increasingly potent opposition that made impressive election gains in 2008. Sunday's election is expected to be the closest yet, though Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak is favoured to win. Leading opposition politicians who attract big campaign crowds in cities say they get a much cooler reception in rural areas, where access to the Internet is rarer. Malaysia ranked 145th on a list of 179 countries in this year's World Press Freedom report released by Reporters Without Borders. It was Malaysia's lowest ever ranking. A survey released on Friday by the University of Nottingham's Malaysia campus and Malaysia's Centre for Independent Journalism found that online media gave almost equal coverage to the opposition and government parties, while traditional media focused on the ruling BN coalition and its parties "by a significant margin". POLICE RAIDS TO ONLINE ATTACKS Malaysiakini, the most popular of such websites, has weathered several storms, including police raids, denied access to press conferences, accusations of being linked to foreign agents and requests to take down content, Chandran said. But in recent years the tactics appear to have shifted towards knocking the site offline, primarily through distributed denial of service, or DDOS, attacks, where servers are deluged by thousands of requests at the same time. Harlan Mandel, CEO of New York-based Media Development Investment Fund, which has worked with Malaysiakini for more than a decade and is a minority investor, said in an email interview that Malaysiakini had become a focus for attack after "establishing itself as the go-to site for reliable election reporting for millions of Malaysians" in 2008. "Since then, it has come under repeated cyber attacks, generally coinciding with sensitive political events like local elections and political rallies, said Mandel. Malaysiakini is not alone. Last month a DDOS attack brought down three related London-based radio web portals, according to Clare Rewcastle Brown, their Malaysian-born founder. Jahabar Sadiq, CEO of Kuala Lumpur-based The Malaysian Insider, said his news service had come under heavy DDOS attack shortly after six of his staff were summoned to the regulator, the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission or MCMC, a few weeks ago. They were asked, among other questions, for technical details about their service provider. "It can't be a coincidence," he said in an interview. "They were asking questions about our architecture which weren't required." BACKUP U.S. SERVERS At least half a dozen news or political websites have now shifted their servers to U.S.-based CloudFlare, which offers protection against DDOS attacks for a fraction of the cost other companies charge. CloudFlare said that attacks on such sites had increased in the past week, mostly from Malaysia-based computers or IP addresses it had not previously seen involved in attacks. Now, Malaysiakini's Chandran and others say, their attackers appear to have shifted gear again. The Malaysian Insider's mail service, which allows users to email articles to others, was hacked two weeks ago, Sadiq said, triggering it to queue tens of thousands of emails to send to users within a couple of hours. Malaysiakini's Chandran says the most recent wave of disruptions began late last month when users complained the site could only be accessed intermittently. One minute users could access the site, the next they couldn't. They figured out that only those using Internet service providers who channel their traffic through state-controlled Telekom Malaysia Berhad were affected, while those accessing through smaller ISPs who use an international gateway were still able to access the site. "It's a smarter way to do it," said Chandran. "It's a guerrilla style in that it creeps up on you and it's harder to detect." Shortly after complaining informally to the MCMC, Chandran said, the attack stopped. Since then, Malaysiakini discovered that some political sensitive videos it had posted on YouTube could not be viewed if accessed from some local ISPs and some Facebook pages featuring election-related content were also affected. Such tactics appear to be using what is called deep packet inspection, where Internet traffic is monitored and filtered via specific keywords, links or digital signatures, which would require access to the ISP. INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED The MCMC said on Thursday that it was investigating such complaints but that "preliminary investigations indicate that there were no such restrictions by ISPs as alleged by certain quarters". Telekom Malaysia said in a written response to questions from Reuters that it had set up a taskforce and network operating centre to ensure that its network ran smoothly for its customers during the election period. "Malaysia has a free, open and robust online media environment. The government does not censor the internet and welcomes constructive criticism as part of the democratic process," said a government spokesman told Reuters. "We deny any involvement in cyber-attacks. The government does not condone attacks against the media in any form." Indeed, Malaysiakini's Chandran and others are careful not to accuse the government or Telekom Malaysia directly. "We are an Internet-based company, we don't want to pick a fight with a telco, we need them," Chandran said. "Besides we can't tell whether they're doing it on purpose." It's almost impossible to figure out who is behind the attacks and not easy to distinguish between a deliberate assault and the technical issues of handling large and fluctuating waves of traffic. Independent security experts said the available evidence appeared to confirm Malaysiakini's conclusions. Dhillon Andrew Kannabhiran, Malaysian founder and CEO of the Hack In The Box conferences, said that "stuff is being filtered or slowed down or otherwise being messed around with for sure" on Telekom Malaysia's network, but he said that it could have been done without the company's say-so or knowledge. In the meantime, websites are preparing for the worst by mirroring content on other domain names and on Facebook . The Malaysian Insider has also set up a mirror outside the country at themalaysianoutsider.com. Whatever the outcome of Sunday's election, Malaysia's increasingly sophisticated Internet battleground reflects the future of struggles to control and influence of information. The election-related DDOS attacks in Malaysia "follows a trend we've seen elsewhere where DDOS is becoming a part of many elections", said Matthew Prince, co-founder CEO of CloudFlare. Malaysia illustrated how political parties and the powers-that-be are starting to use the Internet, said Mikko Hipponen, chief research officer of Helsinki-based internet security company F-Secure which has large lab in Kuala Lumpur. "They are taking a much more active role and, in some parts of the world, they are not afraid to use the more offensive technologies to get what they want," said Hipponen. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From soekpe at gmail.com Sun May 5 03:16:33 2013 From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 08:16:33 +0100 Subject: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi, Mawaki, good elaboration. Come to think, why is there no Global government? Whose interest was it during the years of slavery? Which has re-surfaced in more systematic approaches. Sonigitu Ekpe Aji :-@ SEA "Life becomes more meaningful; when we think of others, positively." +234 8027510179 On May 4, 2013 7:44 PM, "Mawaki Chango" wrote: > Of the intertwining of thought and the geographies of economy... > > For whatever it's worth, pre-Socratic Greek thinkers already saw a > connection between geography and philosophy, notably across schools in the > islands of the North-Eastern Mediterranean sea. With a globalized and > further globalizing economy plus several layers of geo-strategic calculus, > natural geography has long become less relevant in terms of providing any > significant independent variables for shaping our thinking (in other words, > in terms of determining the way we think and the outcome of our thinking.) > As the other guy said: It's the economy, stupid! So now, it is not the > natural geography but the economic geography that matters! And with > economic geography (and power) comes political geography, too (in which > "region(s)" Israel or New Zealand belong, again?) Well, power is > everywhere, even within CS, isn't it? > > The most intriguing thing for people outside the US is that the people who > seem to be most intent and relentless with every possible argument to shoot > down the state (or disable the state altogether) are those very people > whose state works the most effectively on their behalf particularly on the > international stage, that is, on behalf of them citizens either directly or > through the promotion of and support to their private corporations. Good > for them! But I'd hope things might work better in forging shared interests > and agreements if we could start from a mutual and deep understanding as to > why such is the case in some parts of the world, particularly the US, and > why such is NOT the case elsewhere. > > Does anyone here think they fully understand why a certain group of > countries lean toward certain positions, and others the opposite direction? > Might they have some legitimate reasons for that, including self-interest > --whatever that means-- or is someone just plain stupid? If self-interest, > is someone's self-interest more legitimate than others' and how does one > determine that? Does anyone even seek to understand why the split? Why > citizenry in some countries do believe they need the state, and that the > state might even be their best chance to representation on the > international stage? Does anyone really care to bridge the gap? Or are we > just extending the war by all means but lethal weapons? After all, that is > historically a huge achievement: civilization or the replacement of > physical violence by language. Isn't that enough? > > We hear about the rule of the victor after a war (I believe there's even a > standard phrase for that, which I'm forgetting.) But what happens before > the war, how does power play out in time of peace? Ideally, the most > powerful must be right! Yeah, things would work more smoothly if we all can > just admit the self-evidence of the superiority of the self-interest of the > most powerful (since no one can really demonstrate whose self-interest is > more legitimate than others'). And if the least powerful want to prevent or > deny them the right to be right, tension becomes high, very high, and > transaction costs follow the same direction especially for those least > powerful. However, I won't go as far as to say the most powerful will wage > a war just to be right, just so that victorious they can rule the day after > the war. But who am I to know how the most powerful think about such > important things as war and peace, and all the power play in between? > > So one thing I seem to agree with MM on is that economy is of prime > importance and determines everything else -- proof is that, along with its > geographical variability, it is so deep-seated in our brains that it > determines our way of thinking. Right? Truth be told, I only doubt about > the might of the economy and economic motivations when I am visiting my > mom's village... anyway, I've always suspected those people to be out of > time, so don't mind them, an economic anomaly history shall rid us of. > > mawaki > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM, parminder wrote: > >> >> On Monday 29 April 2013 11:33 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> I can't say if this is what Mawaki meant, but there are many mobile >> Internet services around the world (including mine, Maxis here in Malaysia) >> that give you free or cheaper access to Facebook than to other social >> networking websites. **** >> >> OK, so this is at least a substantive issue, but this is a classic >> nondiscrimination issue that is typically debated in the context of network >> neutrality. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "public goods" >> character of the internet or with "the commons." You do not get any >> traction on that debate by slinging those words around. If you want to make >> a net neutrality statement, make a net neutrality statement, at least >> people will know what you are talking about. >> >> >> Net neutrality (NN) is a sub issue of the larger commons/ public good >> framing. Well, now that you tell me that we should make a NN statement so >> that people at least know what we are taking about, I cant but take you to >> a few months back when we tried to make an NN statement; as a workshop >> proposal to the IGF. Then some IGC-ians, including some of those who now >> also oppose a common/ public goods statement, opposed the NN statement >> using the same argument, that NN is a term without a clear enough meaning >> !? Never mind that a few countries have NN legislations. Consequently, IGC >> could not use the term NN in its workshop proposal. >> >> Now, that tells us two things. >> >> One, *beyond a point*, which concept is clear and meaningful and which >> not is a specific political preference. (For instance, many of those who >> find NN and Internet's commons/ public goods character as unclear or >> meaningless formulations never hesitate to use multistakeholder-ism or >> MSism in their statements. Now I know for sure that many times more people >> - at least outside the IGC - are clearer about what NN or commons/ public >> goods character of the Internet means than they are about what does MSism >> really mean.) >> >> Second, it is perhaps now established that this group is clearly unable >> to articulate any advocacy view which has political economy implications, >> or touches positive rights . It would remain confined to procedural >> issues, mainly promoting MSism, which is a code word for removing >> governments from wherever they can conceivably be removed from. (This >> connects to larger anti-political trends which I wont go into here.) At the >> most, it can support a statement on freedom of expression, which, in >> absence of articulation of at least the connected communication rights >> framework, look suspiciously close to US's hegemonic 'internet freedom' >> agenda. >> >> This is very disappointing, and would IMHO compromise the legitimacy of >> IGC as a premier global civil society group. If people have to go elsewhere >> to talk about and articulate political economy issues with respect to the >> global Internet and its governance, it is not a good thing. For one, there >> seems to be no elsewhere to go right now. That is a gap which may need to >> be filled. >> >> parminder >> >> >> **** >> >> Also, devices such as phones and game consoles typically allow a >> gatekeeper to approve what apps you can use to access the Internet. For >> example I have an iPhone, and I want to use a Bitcoin client on it - but I >> can't, because Apple decided I can't; and I want to install a Bittorrent >> app on my PS3, but I can't, because Sony decided I can't. I presume that >> you have read Zittrain's "The Future of the Internet", which although >> becoming dated now gives many other examples.**** >> >> Again, this is a matter of the benefits or costs of the platform operator >> having the authority to internalize the externalities of the internet by >> making decisions about which apps/services can be excluded and which >> cannot. There are two sides to that debate. The platform operators argue >> that they should have editorial discretion; some consumer groups actually _ >> *want*_ platform operators to make those decisions; many economists and >> regulators feel that competition among platform operators is enough to keep >> abuses in check. There are various examples of where public pressure has >> ended some arbitrary incidents of discrimination. My purpose here is not to >> take either of those sides, it is to point out that that debate has little >> to do with the "public goods" character of the internet. Nor do I see what >> we contribute to that debate with a vague invocation of "the commons."*** >> * >> >> An app platform operated as a "public good" or "commons" would mean what, >> exactly? That it is run by the government/public sector? Or that there was >> no management at all, anyone could put anything on it, including malware, >> phishing exploits, advertising driven stuff, and no one would have any >> right to remove it, even if thousands of consumers complain about it? But >> if there is selection, then who decides what is selected and under what >> criteria? The government? Think that'll be better? Which government? **** >> >> In sum, the policy prescription implied by such characterization is not >> clear. This is still a meaningless statement. **** >> >> Also, we are still lacking evidence that this is a growing problem. 6 >> years ago, when I first started studying mobile network neutrality, mobile >> walled gardens were the NORM. Most mobile operators confined you to a >> restricted set of special services they had deals with. The advent of the >> iPhone completed eliminated that model. The mobile internet is far more >> open now than it was then. Where is the evidence of a "growing trend?"*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Sun May 5 03:36:40 2013 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 07:36:40 +0000 Subject: [governance] How to address political economy issues? (was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <5185DBC7.8010206@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> <4cfc6355-9507-4bd2-b197-b975753cdd9e@email.android.com> <5185DBC7.8010206@itforchange.net> Message-ID: In fact, I literally didn't understand that proposition and that was the only thing that motivated my inquiry. In other words, I must say, I wouldn't have asked the question had it not been for the typo. So with the correction I understand the author thinks those issues have been framed in a certain manner she doesn't find helpful, and that is her opinion. Beyond that (and whatever participants are willing to express) I do not need to know of everyone's politics before I can engage in a conversation they are part of and stake my own opinions, nor am I a whole lot interested in that. Have you all a restful and enjoyable Sunday! mawaki On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, parminder wrote: > > Avri > > You have really not responded to Mawaki's question, but nevertheless.... > > I invite you to put forward a non caustic approach to framing an IGC > position on "promoting the commons and pulbic goods aspect of the Internet". > > We cannot lose substance for form, can we, or for personalities. > > parminder > > > On Saturday 04 May 2013 11:39 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > Mawaki Chango wrote: > > > Hi, > > Avri, what do you mean by "they have been forward in such a caustic > way" - > by "they" are you referring to the issues on social and economic > justice or > something else, and what do you mean by the whole sentence? Thanks > > mawaki > > > Typo: ...put forward in such a caustic ... > ~~~ > avri > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Sun May 5 04:38:21 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 10:38:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi On May 4, 2013, at 6:39 PM, McTim wrote: > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: >> I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something that the civil >> society participants can unanimously support. I will see if some of the >> other stakeholder groups will support it too.! > > > I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain consensus. > > This is one example of social justice that we could get behind. > > It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on as well. Before trying to assemble a joint letter about the closure of the meeting, it would probably be good to confirm where the demand from closure came from and what the rationale was. Best, Bill -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sun May 5 06:59:30 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 19:59:30 +0900 Subject: [governance] Malaysia elections and the Internet In-Reply-To: <5185DDA8.40602@itforchange.net> References: <5185DDA8.40602@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Malaysiakini have been subject to attacks for many years, participated in WSIS from early prepcoms. Adam On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 1:18 PM, parminder wrote: > > > http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/04/uk-malaysia-election-online-idUKBRE94309G20130504 > > In Malaysia, online election battles take a nasty turn > > (Reuters) - Ahead of Malaysia's elections on Sunday, independent online > media say they are being targeted in Internet attacks which filter content > and throttle access to websites, threatening to deprive voters of their main > source of independent reporting. > > Independent online news sites have emerged in recent years to challenge the > dominance of mostly government-linked traditional media. The government > denies any attempts to hobble access to the Internet in the run-up to a > close-fought election. > > "During the 2008 election we were wiped off the Internet," said Premesh > Chandran, CEO of independent online news provider Malaysiakini. > > "Our concern is that we'll see a repeat of that on May 5. Can we really live > without independent media on election night, given that both sides might not > accept the result?" > > Malaysiakini was set up in the late 1990s to test the government's push to > lure technology companies to the country by promising not to censor the > Internet. Other news websites have followed, including The Malaysian > Insider, which set up shop down the street from Malaysiakini in 2008. > > Such websites have emerged as an important source of news to counter the > traditional media, most of which are owned by interests linked to the ruling > Barisan Nasional or BN coalition. > > The BN's dominance of media is one of its crucial advantages as it fends off > an increasingly potent opposition that made impressive election gains in > 2008. Sunday's election is expected to be the closest yet, though Malaysian > Prime Minister Najib Razak is favoured to win. > > Leading opposition politicians who attract big campaign crowds in cities say > they get a much cooler reception in rural areas, where access to the > Internet is rarer. > > Malaysia ranked 145th on a list of 179 countries in this year's World Press > Freedom report released by Reporters Without Borders. It was Malaysia's > lowest ever ranking. > > A survey released on Friday by the University of Nottingham's Malaysia > campus and Malaysia's Centre for Independent Journalism found that online > media gave almost equal coverage to the opposition and government parties, > while traditional media focused on the ruling BN coalition and its parties > "by a significant margin". > > POLICE RAIDS TO ONLINE ATTACKS > > Malaysiakini, the most popular of such websites, has weathered several > storms, including police raids, denied access to press conferences, > accusations of being linked to foreign agents and requests to take down > content, Chandran said. > > But in recent years the tactics appear to have shifted towards knocking the > site offline, primarily through distributed denial of service, or DDOS, > attacks, where servers are deluged by thousands of requests at the same > time. > > Harlan Mandel, CEO of New York-based Media Development Investment Fund, > which has worked with Malaysiakini for more than a decade and is a minority > investor, said in an email interview that Malaysiakini had become a focus > for attack after "establishing itself as the go-to site for reliable > election reporting for millions of Malaysians" in 2008. > > "Since then, it has come under repeated cyber attacks, generally coinciding > with sensitive political events like local elections and political rallies, > said Mandel. > > Malaysiakini is not alone. Last month a DDOS attack brought down three > related London-based radio web portals, according to Clare Rewcastle Brown, > their Malaysian-born founder. > > Jahabar Sadiq, CEO of Kuala Lumpur-based The Malaysian Insider, said his > news service had come under heavy DDOS attack shortly after six of his staff > were summoned to the regulator, the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia > Commission or MCMC, a few weeks ago. They were asked, among other questions, > for technical details about their service provider. > > "It can't be a coincidence," he said in an interview. "They were asking > questions about our architecture which weren't required." > > BACKUP U.S. SERVERS > > At least half a dozen news or political websites have now shifted their > servers to U.S.-based CloudFlare, which offers protection against DDOS > attacks for a fraction of the cost other companies charge. CloudFlare said > that attacks on such sites had increased in the past week, mostly from > Malaysia-based computers or IP addresses it had not previously seen involved > in attacks. > > Now, Malaysiakini's Chandran and others say, their attackers appear to have > shifted gear again. > > The Malaysian Insider's mail service, which allows users to email articles > to others, was hacked two weeks ago, Sadiq said, triggering it to queue tens > of thousands of emails to send to users within a couple of hours. > > Malaysiakini's Chandran says the most recent wave of disruptions began late > last month when users complained the site could only be accessed > intermittently. One minute users could access the site, the next they > couldn't. > > They figured out that only those using Internet service providers who > channel their traffic through state-controlled Telekom Malaysia Berhad were > affected, while those accessing through smaller ISPs who use an > international gateway were still able to access the site. > > "It's a smarter way to do it," said Chandran. "It's a guerrilla style in > that it creeps up on you and it's harder to detect." > > Shortly after complaining informally to the MCMC, Chandran said, the attack > stopped. > > Since then, Malaysiakini discovered that some political sensitive videos it > had posted on YouTube could not be viewed if accessed from some local ISPs > and some Facebook pages featuring election-related content were also > affected. > > Such tactics appear to be using what is called deep packet inspection, where > Internet traffic is monitored and filtered via specific keywords, links or > digital signatures, which would require access to the ISP. > > INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED > > The MCMC said on Thursday that it was investigating such complaints but that > "preliminary investigations indicate that there were no such restrictions by > ISPs as alleged by certain quarters". > > Telekom Malaysia said in a written response to questions from Reuters that > it had set up a taskforce and network operating centre to ensure that its > network ran smoothly for its customers during the election period. > > "Malaysia has a free, open and robust online media environment. The > government does not censor the internet and welcomes constructive criticism > as part of the democratic process," said a government spokesman told > Reuters. > > "We deny any involvement in cyber-attacks. The government does not condone > attacks against the media in any form." > > Indeed, Malaysiakini's Chandran and others are careful not to accuse the > government or Telekom Malaysia directly. > > "We are an Internet-based company, we don't want to pick a fight with a > telco, we need them," Chandran said. "Besides we can't tell whether they're > doing it on purpose." > > It's almost impossible to figure out who is behind the attacks and not easy > to distinguish between a deliberate assault and the technical issues of > handling large and fluctuating waves of traffic. Independent security > experts said the available evidence appeared to confirm Malaysiakini's > conclusions. > > Dhillon Andrew Kannabhiran, Malaysian founder and CEO of the Hack In The Box > conferences, said that "stuff is being filtered or slowed down or otherwise > being messed around with for sure" on Telekom Malaysia's network, but he > said that it could have been done without the company's say-so or knowledge. > > In the meantime, websites are preparing for the worst by mirroring content > on other domain names and on Facebook. The Malaysian Insider has also set up > a mirror outside the country at themalaysianoutsider.com. > > Whatever the outcome of Sunday's election, Malaysia's increasingly > sophisticated Internet battleground reflects the future of struggles to > control and influence of information. > > The election-related DDOS attacks in Malaysia "follows a trend we've seen > elsewhere where DDOS is becoming a part of many elections", said Matthew > Prince, co-founder CEO of CloudFlare. > > Malaysia illustrated how political parties and the powers-that-be are > starting to use the Internet, said Mikko Hipponen, chief research officer of > Helsinki-based internet security company F-Secure which has large lab in > Kuala Lumpur. > > "They are taking a much more active role and, in some parts of the world, > they are not afraid to use the more offensive technologies to get what they > want," said Hipponen. > > "I believe we'll be seeing much more of this." > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun May 5 09:48:28 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 09:48:28 -0400 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi, My communications with the chair indicate that he is doing it because that is the ECOSOC way (my words) and that because he wants to give all stakeholders a chance to discuss whether it should be open of not. To be fair to the chair, he is taking a safe and possibility even reasonable route in making this determination. I just think that this bit of safe and reasonable action is risky and a bad idea. In terms of who may have asked the chair to keep it closed, if indeed someone did, I am not sure that it matters if they did so confidentially. In fact, if indeed there are those who asked for this, having the discussions might be a good thing as it will give us a chance to learn who it is that does not support transparency as the default condition. As for a joint letter. i might agree to be part of one, but only as long as it had _no_ content related to how other stakeholder groups did their choosing. The fact that it might be linked in any way, by anyone, at anytime, to anti-subsidiarity of stakeholder group decisions, would keep me from signing on to a joint letter. While I beleive all stakeholder groups should be as open as can be, it is up to them whether they are or not. My beliefs about their operations are irrelevant. I should also indicate that if the group decides not be open, or to use Chatham House rule, I will comply with the rule. I will argue against it, but will adhere to it. avri On 5 May 2013, at 04:38, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > On May 4, 2013, at 6:39 PM, McTim wrote: > >> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: >>> I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something that the civil >>> society participants can unanimously support. I will see if some of the >>> other stakeholder groups will support it too.! >> >> >> I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain consensus. >> >> This is one example of social justice that we could get behind. >> >> It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on as well. > > Before trying to assemble a joint letter about the closure of the meeting, it would probably be good to confirm where the demand from closure came from and what the rationale was. > > Best, > > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sun May 5 12:13:50 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 19:13:50 +0300 Subject: [governance] The Coming War Over Net Neutrality,,By Tim Wu, The New Yorker Message-ID: <5186853E.2000705@gmail.com> The Coming War Over Net Neutrality By Tim Wu, The New Yorker 05 May 13 om Wheeler , Obama's nominee to run the Federal Communications Commission, surely has much he hopes to get done. Perhaps it's freeing up some more wireless spectrum or bringing cell-phone service to Mars - who knows. But chances are (assuming his confirmation goes smoothly) that he'll end up spending time on different challenges, and a chief candidate is a resurgence of the net-neutrality wars. The outgoing chairman, Julius Genachowski, made many very good and important decisions, but he also made a rather terrible one that may darken Wheeler's term. Genachowski spent years and much political capital negotiating net-neutrality rules that everyone could live with, only to enact them in a way that is highly vulnerable to a court challenge . That challenge (brought, cynically, by Verizon after it negotiated the rules it wanted) may soon invalidate years of work and create industry chaos. The net-neutrality rules now in place reinforce the Internet's original design principle: that all traffic is carried equally and without any special charges beyond those of transmission. Among other things, the rules are a pricing truce for the Internet; without them, we can expect a fight that will serve no one's interests and will ultimately stick consumers with Internet bills that rise with the same speed as cable television's. Unfortunately, like American Presidents who hope to avoid the politics of the Middle East, the F.C.C. may ultimately have no choice but to get involved in this fight. But one very important thing has changed since last time. Cable operators like Time Warner and Comcast, if they think carefully, should come to understand that they now need a net-neutrality rule more than anyone. Ask a cable operator what makes its life miserable, and the answer is immediate and obvious: programming fees. Such fees have roughly doubled over the past decade during a period of near-flat inflation and economic stagnation. Sports is the most outrageous example: what ESPN charges cable operators keeps growing, and is now approaching five dollars per customer. The actual cost of providing the entire Internet to cable customers, which is something like a few dollars a month, is less than that. It is a lose-lose situation for nearly everyone (except athletes). The real victims are consumers, especially low-income consumers, who ultimately foot all the bills but cannot control the costs. If programming costs are the worst thing in cable, the best part of the business is selling broadband. Cable broadband , which costs almost nothing to provide once the infrastructure is built, has little real competition, and operators can charge between forty and sixty dollars for the product, yielding margins that analyst Craig Moffitt describes as "comically profitable." Margins greater than ninety per cent are a sweet business no matter what you're doing, and what cable operators have to realize is how crucial net neutrality is to making those margins possible. An important aspect of the Internet's original design is that many prices were set at zero - what have been called zero-price rules. The price to join the network is zero. The price that users and sites pay to reach others is zero: a blogger doesn't need to pay to reach Comcast's customers. And the price that big Web sites charge broadband operators to carry their content is also zero. It's a subtle point, but these three zeros are a large part of what makes the Internet what it is. If net neutrality goes away, so does the agreement to freeze prices at zero. What net neutrality means in practice for cable operators is that they don't have to deal with rising programming costs in broadband. Cable operators pay Disney good money to carry ABC as a cable channel. But when a cable customer watches ABC shows over the Internet, using Hulu Plus or Amazon, the operator pays nothing. When they go to the ABC Web site, they also pay nothing. Rather, the consumer deals with the content provider directly, by watching ads or paying Amazon. The result: cable doesn't have to pass on costs that it cannot control. Back in the aughts, cable operators hated the idea of net neutrality because they hoped to charge then-rich firms like Yahoo extra cash to reach their customers (in telecom jargon, a "termination fee"). But that was when the Internet companies were far weaker. Times have changed, and firms like Google and Facebook now hold serious bargaining power. You can't expect to provide a decent Internet service that doesn't include Facebook and Google. And so, instead of being able to charge Google to reach its customers, cable operators, absent net neutrality, may have to pay programming fees to Google. In other words, Google might very well become the next ESPN, and the whole nightmare will start again. Admittedly, it is hard to know exactly how things would work out if the zero-price rules are abandoned. Cable still has serious market power, and might, on balance, be able to charge more than it gets charged. But if you're a cable operator, why take that bet when you're already sitting on giant profit margins? Why risk the best business going? Beyond cable operators, a battle royale over Internet programming and termination fees would ultimately be terrible for consumers; the Internet would start to get both worse and more expensive. Think of it this way: net neutrality, which sets all these prices at zero, is effectively a grand truce between the big app firms and the infrastructure providers. It eliminates an unnecessary middleman: consumers deal directly with content vendors and app firms. That's a much healthier market dynamic than one driven by hidden, passed-on costs. If cable TV isn't a good enough example, consider the dysfunction of the health-care industry, where consumers never see what they are paying for. That's what the present rule avoids. Finally, and most importantly for the public, the net-neutrality rule continues to provide a kind of subsidy to smaller speakers and startups, from bloggers to Quora and Wikipedia. The Internet would look a lot different if these kinds of players had to pay cable before reaching their customers. It would start to look a lot more like cable TV, and few things could really be worse than that. Wheeler and the other members of the Federal Communications Commission will be very tempted to try and avoid and ignore net neutrality during Obama's second term. If, magically, the rules aren't struck down, they will have that luxury. But if the rules are struck down, avoiding the problem may lead to a replication of the horrors of the cable-television market. There's trouble brewing; facing it is both the Commission's responsibility and its destiny. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are All Telephone Calls Recorded and Accessible to the US Government? By Glenn Greenwald, Guardian UK 05 May 13 */A former FBI counterterrorism agent claims on CNN that this is the case/* he real capabilities and behavior of the US surveillance state are almost entirely unknown to the American public because, like most things of significance done by the US government, it operates behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy. But a seemingly spontaneous admission this week by a former FBI counterterrorism agent provides a rather startling acknowledgment of just how vast and invasive these surveillance activities are. Over the past couple days, cable news tabloid shows such as CNN's Out Front with Erin Burnett have been excitingly focused on the possible involvement in the Boston Marathon attack of Katherine Russell, the 24-year-old American widow of the deceased suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. As part of their relentless stream of leaks uncritically disseminated by our Adversarial Press Corps , anonymous government officials are claiming that they are now focused on telephone calls between Russell and Tsarnaev that took place both before and after the attack to determine if she had prior knowledge of the plot or participated in any way. On Wednesday night, Burnett interviewed Tim Clemente , a former FBI counterterrorism agent, about whether the FBI would be able to discover the contents of past telephone conversations between the two. He quite clearly insisted that they could: BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them? CLEMENTE: "No, /there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation./ It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out. BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible. CLEMENTE: "No, /welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not/." "All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak". On Thursday night, Clemente again appeared on CNN, this time with host Carol Costello, and she asked him about those remarks. He reiterated what he said the night before but added expressly that "all digital communications in the past" are recorded and stored: Let's repeat that last part: "no digital communication is secure", by which he means /not/ that any communication is susceptible to government interception as it happens (although that is true), but far beyond that: all digital communications - meaning telephone calls, emails, online chats and the like - are automatically recorded and stored and accessible to the government after the fact. To describe that is to define what a ubiquitous, limitless Surveillance State is. There have been some previous indications that this is true. Former AT&T engineer Mark Klein revealed that AT&T and other telecoms had built a special network that allowed the National Security Agency full and unfettered access to data about the telephone calls and the content of email communications for all of their customers. Specifically, Klein explained "that the NSA set up a system that vacuumed up Internet and phone-call data from ordinary Americans with the cooperation of AT&T" and that "contrary to the government's depiction of its surveillance program as aimed at overseas terrorists . . . much of the data sent through AT&T to the NSA was purely domestic." But his amazing revelations were mostly ignored and, when Congress retroactively immunized the nation's telecom giants for their participation in the illegal Bush spying programs, Klein's claims (by design) were prevented from being adjudicated in court. That every single telephone call is recorded and stored would also explain this extraordinary revelation by the Washington Post in 2010 : /Every day/, collection systems at the National Security Agency intercept and store 1.7 billion e-mails, phone calls and other types of communications. It would also help explain the revelations of former NSA official William Binney , who resigned from the agency in protest over its systemic spying on the domestic communications of US citizens, that the US government has "assembled on the order of 20 trillion transactions about US citizens with other US citizens" (which counts only communications transactions and not financial and other transactions), and that "the data that's being assembled is about everybody. And from that data, then they can target anyone they want." Despite the extreme secrecy behind which these surveillance programs operate, there have been periodic reports of serious abuse . Two Democratic Senators, Ron Wyden and Mark Udall, have been warning for years that Americans would be "stunned" to learn what the US government is doing in terms of secret surveillance. Strangely, back in 2002 - when hysteria over the 9/11 attacks (and thus acquiescence to government power) was at its peak - the Pentagon's attempt to implement what it called the "Total Information Awareness" program (TIA) sparked so much public controversy that it had to be official scrapped. But it has been incrementally re-instituted - without the creepy (though honest) name and all-seeing-eye logo - with little controversy or even notice. Back in 2010, worldwide controversy erupted when the governments of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates banned the use of Blackberries because some communications were inaccessible to government intelligence agencies, and that could not be tolerated. The Obama administration condemned this move on the ground that it threatened core freedoms, only to turn around six weeks later and demand that all forms of digital communications allow the US government backdoor access to intercept them. Put another way, the US government embraced exactly the same rationale invoked by the UAE and Saudi agencies: that no communications can be off limits. Indeed, the UAE, when responding to condemnations from the Obama administration, noted that it was simply doing exactly that which the US government does: "'In fact, the UAE is exercising its sovereign right and is asking for exactly the same regulatory compliance - and with the same principles of judicial and regulatory oversight - that Blackberry grants the US and other governments and nothing more,' [UAE Ambassador to the US Yousef Al] Otaiba said. 'Importantly, the UAE requires the same compliance as the US for the very same reasons: to protect national security and to assist in law enforcement.'" That no human communications can be allowed to take place without the scrutinizing eye of the US government is indeed the animating principle of the US Surveillance State. Still, this revelation, made in passing on CNN, that every single telephone call made by and among Americans is recorded and stored is something which most people undoubtedly do not know, even if the small group of people who focus on surveillance issues believed it to be true (clearly, both Burnett and Costello were shocked to hear this). Some new polling suggests that Americans, even after the Boston attack, are growing increasingly concerned about erosions of civil liberties in the name of Terrorism. Even those people who claim it does not matter instinctively understand the value of personal privacy: they put locks on their bedroom doors and vigilantly safeguard their email passwords. That's why the US government so desperately maintains a wall of secrecy around their surveillance capabilities: because they fear that people will find their behavior unacceptably intrusive and threatening, as they did even back in 2002 when John Poindexter's TIA was unveiled. Mass surveillance is the hallmark of a tyrannical political culture. But whatever one's views on that, the more that is known about what the US government and its surveillance agencies are doing, the better. This admission by this former FBI agent on CNN gives a very good sense for just how limitless these activities are. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(was Re: Internet as a commons/public good) In-Reply-To: <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <91CB8576-57C7-468C-8753-E9B584C5113C@telus.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6736@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <517C0AF7.1080703@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C9CAC@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.s yr.edu> <517DDF6E.6090601@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CB087@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <5183B97C.4040206@itforchange.net> <20130503212011.339d10ac@quill.bollow.ch> <5184A071.3060805@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <51869F05.7040904@gmail.com> Parminder I think here I would ask you to trust your intuition. There are serious limits to dialogue on this IGC platform, much improved recently despite denunciations of its caustic nature, even though it has improved much recently. As McTim kindly pointed out about the dominance of 'single rooters' confirms minority status of certain groups. You pointed out the difficulty of discussing net neutrality in this forum, etc. From this one can glean these limits and /complementary/ fora are needed to deepen analysis. IGC relevance in this context may confirm your irrelevance. Would be glad to discuss this offlist further with you and others of like minded persuasion. This is not detract from recent changes. But strategic engagement may be more fruitful. Riaz On 2013/05/04 08:45 AM, parminder wrote: > It is fine if this is the interpretation of what IGC is, not much of > an advocacy group but a kind of an open platform or forum for civil > society groups. And I am increasingly inclined or maybe resigned to > this perspective. But that still begs an organised constituency and > group at the global level that can systematically deal with Internet > governance issues pertaining to social and economic justice. This is > the gap that I spoke about in my previous email. > > parminder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joy at apc.org Sun May 5 18:15:38 2013 From: joy at apc.org (joy) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 10:15:38 +1200 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the update Avri. I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. I am not interested in requests for publication of the other stakeholders' selection processes. Joy On 6/05/2013 1:48 a.m., Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > My communications with the chair indicate that he is doing it > because that is the ECOSOC way (my words) and that because he wants > to give all stakeholders a chance to discuss whether it should be > open of not. To be fair to the chair, he is taking a safe and > possibility even reasonable route in making this determination. I > just think that this bit of safe and reasonable action is risky and > a bad idea. > > > In terms of who may have asked the chair to keep it closed, if > indeed someone did, I am not sure that it matters if they did so > confidentially. In fact, if indeed there are those who asked for > this, having the discussions might be a good thing as it will give > us a chance to learn who it is that does not support transparency > as the default condition. > > As for a joint letter. i might agree to be part of one, but only > as long as it had _no_ content related to how other stakeholder > groups did their choosing. The fact that it might be linked in any > way, by anyone, at anytime, to anti-subsidiarity of stakeholder > group decisions, would keep me from signing on to a joint letter. > While I beleive all stakeholder groups should be as open as can be, > it is up to them whether they are or not. My beliefs about their > operations are irrelevant. > > I should also indicate that if the group decides not be open, or > to use Chatham House rule, I will comply with the rule. I will > argue against it, but will adhere to it. > > avri > > > On 5 May 2013, at 04:38, William Drake wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On May 4, 2013, at 6:39 PM, McTim wrote: >> >>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart >>> wrote: >>>> I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something >>>> that the civil society participants can unanimously support. >>>> I will see if some of the other stakeholder groups will >>>> support it too.! >>> >>> >>> I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain >>> consensus. >>> >>> This is one example of social justice that we could get >>> behind. >>> >>> It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on >>> as well. >> >> Before trying to assemble a joint letter about the closure of >> the meeting, it would probably be good to confirm where the >> demand from closure came from and what the rationale was. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRhtoKAAoJEA9zUGgfM+bqB5gH/RJAhWOZkDMhs6X0x/5kLpfU 5aRjDe8ajRaaQA7mbbHfZB7UfwbvAMNTaa/NFrxjMjIZyyQD60SD3ic8nNfsRfsO TqX6GALjAde6uK0gH5CibC4yREqEVw8ZqGJSEH85FzAAqZuj9lB/NedJoCSj78K2 IpDiYKvEdOW+htmyKj4Sb53SvkJ0Cs6jfJJMg90RkL26IflED0SPrTeqX0edds7U w6Y0QE7qsFuAhywCDCO1bP8m3Agf4atQmeIzPnjKWA35hrfUo5SE22rjGvH56fUO sUzzIBQc2RgjPFO2Sy9XDPeO8+n9+n+LejxUkONsyssSgahZC8ME96ZTvlo8fEw= =UAjF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun May 5 18:22:39 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 18:22:39 -0400 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> Message-ID: On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for the update Avri. > I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the > opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. > I am not interested in requests for publication of the other > stakeholders' selection processes. I agree with Avri and Joy! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From keith at internetnz.net.nz Sun May 5 19:30:09 2013 From: keith at internetnz.net.nz (Keith Davidson) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 11:30:09 +1200 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> Message-ID: <5186EB81.5030500@internetnz.net.nz> I also would certainly expect CSTD to run this as an open meeting and trust Joy, Avri and others who understand the elements of multistakeholderism to encourage CSTD to be more open, transparent and accountable. Cheers Keith Davidson On 6/05/2013 10:15 a.m., joy wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for the update Avri. > I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the > opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. > I am not interested in requests for publication of the other > stakeholders' selection processes. > > Joy > > > On 6/05/2013 1:48 a.m., Avri Doria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> My communications with the chair indicate that he is doing it >> because that is the ECOSOC way (my words) and that because he wants >> to give all stakeholders a chance to discuss whether it should be >> open of not. To be fair to the chair, he is taking a safe and >> possibility even reasonable route in making this determination. I >> just think that this bit of safe and reasonable action is risky and >> a bad idea. >> >> >> In terms of who may have asked the chair to keep it closed, if >> indeed someone did, I am not sure that it matters if they did so >> confidentially. In fact, if indeed there are those who asked for >> this, having the discussions might be a good thing as it will give >> us a chance to learn who it is that does not support transparency >> as the default condition. >> >> As for a joint letter. i might agree to be part of one, but only >> as long as it had _no_ content related to how other stakeholder >> groups did their choosing. The fact that it might be linked in any >> way, by anyone, at anytime, to anti-subsidiarity of stakeholder >> group decisions, would keep me from signing on to a joint letter. >> While I beleive all stakeholder groups should be as open as can be, >> it is up to them whether they are or not. My beliefs about their >> operations are irrelevant. >> >> I should also indicate that if the group decides not be open, or >> to use Chatham House rule, I will comply with the rule. I will >> argue against it, but will adhere to it. >> >> avri >> >> >> On 5 May 2013, at 04:38, William Drake wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> On May 4, 2013, at 6:39 PM, McTim wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart >>>> wrote: >>>>> I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something >>>>> that the civil society participants can unanimously support. >>>>> I will see if some of the other stakeholder groups will >>>>> support it too.! >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain >>>> consensus. >>>> >>>> This is one example of social justice that we could get >>>> behind. >>>> >>>> It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on >>>> as well. >>> >>> Before trying to assemble a joint letter about the closure of >>> the meeting, it would probably be good to confirm where the >>> demand from closure came from and what the rationale was. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Bill >>> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRhtoKAAoJEA9zUGgfM+bqB5gH/RJAhWOZkDMhs6X0x/5kLpfU > 5aRjDe8ajRaaQA7mbbHfZB7UfwbvAMNTaa/NFrxjMjIZyyQD60SD3ic8nNfsRfsO > TqX6GALjAde6uK0gH5CibC4yREqEVw8ZqGJSEH85FzAAqZuj9lB/NedJoCSj78K2 > IpDiYKvEdOW+htmyKj4Sb53SvkJ0Cs6jfJJMg90RkL26IflED0SPrTeqX0edds7U > w6Y0QE7qsFuAhywCDCO1bP8m3Agf4atQmeIzPnjKWA35hrfUo5SE22rjGvH56fUO > sUzzIBQc2RgjPFO2Sy9XDPeO8+n9+n+LejxUkONsyssSgahZC8ME96ZTvlo8fEw= > =UAjF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nne75 at yahoo.com Sun May 5 19:32:14 2013 From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 16:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> Message-ID: <1367796734.90700.YahooMailNeo@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I agree that CS reps should request that CSTD WG adopt openness as a working method. But folks need to get to the first meeting. After that, then a first appraisal can be done and contributions to working methods can begin. On publishing processes of members' selection to the CSTD WG itself, I am a bit surprised that this is yet to go down with some of us.. I will say to let go.. All the best N   Nnenna  Nwakanma |  Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG  |  Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax  224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: McTim To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for the update Avri. > I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the > opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. > I am not interested in requests for publication of the other > stakeholders' selection processes. I agree with Avri and Joy! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Mon May 6 01:35:02 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 11:05:02 +0530 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> Message-ID: <51874106.1010705@itforchange.net> On Sunday 05 May 2013 07:18 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > My communications with the chair indicate that he is doing it because that is the ECOSOC way (my words) and that because he wants to give all stakeholders a chance to discuss whether it should be open of not. To be fair to the chair, he is taking a safe and possibility even reasonable route in making this determination. I just think that this bit of safe and reasonable action is risky and a bad idea. > > In terms of who may have asked the chair to keep it closed, if indeed someone did, I am not sure that it matters if they did so confidentially. In fact, if indeed there are those who asked for this, having the discussions might be a good thing as it will give us a chance to learn who it is that does not support transparency as the default condition. > > As for a joint letter. i might agree to be part of one, but only as long as it had _no_ content related to how other stakeholder groups did their choosing. The fact that it might be linked in any way, by anyone, at anytime, to anti-subsidiarity of stakeholder group decisions, A very interesting concept! But, no, subsidiarity was never meant to be quoted to bypass basic higher principles of democratic, rights-based etc, governance in any polity. If it could be so quoted, then UN human rights council has no business to be interrogating human rights situation in Syria or Sri Lanka. A tribal chief can declare that female foeticide is officially sanctioned in his territory and so on.... Openness and transparency are higher principles, and in this case of MS (multistakeholder) rep selection also stamped unanimously by the WG on Improvements and then the UN GA. Such higher principles are not subject to the subsidiarity rule. They in fact frame subsidiarity in democratic governance .. But MSism isnt bound by democratic traditions, is it! It is a completely new species . Who was it who recently compared MSism to tribalism on this list... > would keep me from signing on to a joint letter. While I beleive all stakeholder groups should be as open as can be, it is up to them whether they are or not. My beliefs about their operations are irrelevant. Does this group then undertake not to ever question how governments are formed, whether they are democratic or not. A strange view, IMHO. This is throwing away democracy. Making it irrelevant how governments are chosen as long as some people presents itself as government nominees. Or, maybe I am extrapolating your statement wrongly, and you do not consider governments as stakeholder groups in the same manner as nongov stakeholder groups... parminder > I should also indicate that if the group decides not be open, or to use Chatham House rule, I will comply with the rule. I will argue against it, but will adhere to it. > > avri > > > On 5 May 2013, at 04:38, William Drake wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On May 4, 2013, at 6:39 PM, McTim wrote: >> >>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: >>>> I hope you're successful, Avri - and that this is something that the civil >>>> society participants can unanimously support. I will see if some of the >>>> other stakeholder groups will support it too.! >>> I think that a statement from IGC on this could gain consensus. >>> >>> This is one example of social justice that we could get behind. >>> >>> It would be even better if we could get biz and T&A to sign on as well. >> Before trying to assemble a joint letter about the closure of the meeting, it would probably be good to confirm where the demand from closure came from and what the rationale was. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Mon May 6 09:41:49 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 06:41:49 -0700 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> Message-ID: <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the ganders or is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this piling of hypocrisy upon hypocrisy... or if some find this statement rather too bald/bold -- we must insist that you do as I say, not as I do... M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks for the update Avri. > I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the > opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. > I am not interested in requests for publication of the other > stakeholders' selection processes. I agree with Avri and Joy! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Mon May 6 10:22:36 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 10:22:36 -0400 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> Hi, Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites. As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible for calling for transparency within their own groups. And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese, ganders?) avri On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote: > Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the ganders or > is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this piling of hypocrisy > upon hypocrisy... or if some find this statement rather too bald/bold -- we > must insist that you do as I say, not as I do... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy > Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Thanks for the update Avri. >> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the >> opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. >> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other >> stakeholders' selection processes. > > I agree with Avri and Joy! > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Mon May 6 10:36:54 2013 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 14:36:54 +0000 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <51874106.1010705@itforchange.net> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <51874106.1010705@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23CED2B@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> > -----Original Message----- > > A very interesting concept! But, no, subsidiarity was never meant to be > quoted to bypass basic higher principles of democratic, rights-based > etc, governance in any polity. If it could be so quoted, then UN human > rights council has no business to be interrogating human rights > situation in Syria or Sri Lanka. A tribal chief can declare that female > foeticide is officially sanctioned in his territory and so on.... > Openness and transparency are higher principles, and in this case of MS > (multistakeholder) rep selection also stamped unanimously by the WG on > Improvements and then the UN GA. Such higher principles are not subject > to the subsidiarity rule. They in fact frame subsidiarity in democratic I wish to make it clear that I agree with Parminder on this. > Does this group then undertake not to ever question how governments are > formed, whether they are democratic or not. A strange view, IMHO. This > is throwing away democracy. Making it irrelevant how governments are > chosen as long as some people presents itself as government nominees. > Or, maybe I am extrapolating your statement wrongly, and you do not > consider governments as stakeholder groups in the same manner as nongov > stakeholder groups... -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Guru at ITforChange.net Mon May 6 10:42:11 2013 From: Guru at ITforChange.net (=?UTF-8?B?R3VydSDgpJfgpYHgpLDgpYE=?=) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 20:12:11 +0530 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> Message-ID: <5187C143.4040508@ITforChange.net> On 05/06/2013 07:52 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites. > > As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible for calling for transparency within their own groups. Avri Do you mean that when governments are non transparent, it does not concern us. if you think it does, how does it reconcile with your statement above? regards Guru > And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese, ganders?) > > avri > > > On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote: > >> Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the ganders or >> is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this piling of hypocrisy >> upon hypocrisy... or if some find this statement rather too bald/bold -- we >> must insist that you do as I say, not as I do... >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim >> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy >> Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation >> >> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Thanks for the update Avri. >>> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the >>> opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. >>> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other >>> stakeholders' selection processes. >> I agree with Avri and Joy! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route >> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Mon May 6 11:15:10 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 08:15:10 -0700 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> Message-ID: <026901ce4a6c$8822f9c0$9868ed40$@gmail.com> >> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the >> opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. >> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other >> stakeholders' selection processes. M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:23 AM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation Hi, Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites. As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible for calling for transparency within their own groups. And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese, ganders?) avri On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote: > Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the > ganders or is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this piling > of hypocrisy upon hypocrisy... or if some find this statement rather > too bald/bold -- we must insist that you do as I say, not as I do... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy > Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Thanks for the update Avri. >> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have the >> opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. >> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other >> stakeholders' selection processes. > > I agree with Avri and Joy! > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Mon May 6 11:43:54 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 11:43:54 -0400 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <5187C143.4040508@ITforChange.net> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <5187C143.4040508@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: On 6 May 2013, at 10:42, Guru गुरु wrote: > On 05/06/2013 07:52 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> >> As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible for calling for transparency within their own groups. > > Avri > > Do you mean that when governments are non transparent, it does not concern us. if you think it does, how does it reconcile with your statement above? It can concern us. But I have no role in calling for the Indian government to be more transparent or with regard to its ways doing things except with regard to Human Rights and other treaties treaties they have signed. The Internet may be borderless, but countries and stakeholder groups have borders. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 6 12:36:37 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:36:37 +0200 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> Message-ID: <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> Hypocrisy is a real problem of the real world, and I would be very surprised if there's anyone among us who can look back onto their life and truthfully say that they have never been hypocritical. Maybe the best we can do is to be aware that this is a pervasive problem, and try to minimize its impact as much as we reasonably can, similar to how we have procedures designed for limiting the impact of personal bias. In regard to bias there is a huge body of literature on how to deal with the issue; that includes advice which empowers to talk about the problem area without automatically offending people. Is someone here able to recommend something insightful about dealing with challenges related to the issue of hypocrisy? When Jesus talked to his disciples about their personal, very very human, challenges in regard to hypocrisy, he did that as a trusted mentor; when he talked to the Pharisees about their hypocrisy, that was after (for quite independent reasons) there was no realistic chance anymore of a constructive relationship with them. But how does one talk about issues related to this problem area among peers, without taking needless risks of the conversation degenerating into name-calling or accusations of name-calling, etc? Greetings, Norbert Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites. > > As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible > for calling for transparency within their own groups. > > And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese, ganders?) > > avri > > > On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote: > > > Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the > > ganders or is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this > > piling of hypocrisy upon hypocrisy... or if some find this > > statement rather too bald/bold -- we must insist that you do as I > > say, not as I do... > > > > M -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Mon May 6 13:48:27 2013 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 13:48:27 -0400 Subject: [governance] Teacher teasing 2013 Message-ID: Can anyone offer some insights about something that really happened? I am based in a very small country - Saint Lucia - but in so far as it is possible I am deliberately obscuring the details of this story in an attempt to protect the "victim" from further annoyance. A couple of weeks ago someone set up a social media account (Twitter or Facebook, I'm not sure which) in the name of a senior teacher at one of the local schools. The comments and photographs proclaimed the sexual successes with colleagues within the school community of the purported owner of the account. When this came to light the purported owner "went ballistic" and threatened investigation by the FBI and long terms in prison for the perpetrators. The junior school is reported to be terrified. Meanwhile another member of staff, working with a student, has managed to deactivate the offending account. A friend contacted me to ask - "Could the FBI ...?" " Can someone else deactivate another person's account?" ... Can anyone offer an opinion? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Mon May 6 14:22:00 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 21:22:00 +0300 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> Norbert After some of us have experienced the weight of the 'majority' (if not in always in specifics at an individual but in momentum, as McTim kindly bragged about large single rooter percentages recently, giving us some countermajoritarian validation) there remain some issues. But there is a new tenor and it is working out well. So thanks for that. I think we can be less inflammatory (and I for one may well need correcting and guidance) but no less precise, but it needs some restraint. First, terms. Double standards are very apt. So is disingenuous. Once these are raised then... Second, because these may at first glance (or from a different perspective) this opens up the question of motive. Here especially some restraint is called for, but it is also tempting to drive a point home. And perhaps some co-co intervention at that point would be useful to keep language persuasive. Motive makes for difficult dialogue. For instance the allegation made that some of one ilk picked a fight because Gurstein was disappointed for not being selected. Despite what this reveals about these making the accusation (I certainly was not acting in concert with others on this issue), it was not possible to discuss this. It did however create doubt as to the voracity of some of the concerns laid out (some even purely technical), which I suppose was enough to achieve the desired effect. Then there are more systemic motives, but we have been there before, an undoubtedly will again. However I mention all this because third world provincialism is not different from rich country provincialism, it is only one of kind. Hope this is provocative, but helpful. Riaz On 2013/05/06 07:36 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > But how does one talk about issues related to this problem area among > peers, without taking needless risks of the conversation degenerating > into name-calling or accusations of name-calling, etc? > > Greetings, > Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Mon May 6 15:59:41 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:59:41 -0400 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > Norbert > > After some of us have experienced the weight of the 'majority' (if not in > always in specifics at an individual but in momentum, as McTim kindly > bragged I wasn't being kindly nor bragging, simply stating the truth, the vast majority want at least loose coherence from the DNS. I suspect you do as well, which makes you a "single-rooter" too. > about large single rooter percentages recently, giving us some > countermajoritarian validation) there remain some issues. But there is a > new tenor and it is working out well. So thanks for that. > > I think we can be less inflammatory (and I for one may well need > correcting and guidance) but no less precise, but it needs some restraint. > > First, terms. Double standards are very apt. So is disingenuous. Once > these are raised then... > > Second, because these may at first glance (or from a different > perspective) this opens up the question of motive. Here especially some > restraint is called for, but it is also tempting to drive a point home. And > perhaps some co-co intervention at that point would be useful to keep > language persuasive. > > Motive makes for difficult dialogue. For instance the allegation made that > some of one ilk picked a fight because Gurstein was disappointed for not > being selected. I think the issue was that we shouldn't be telling others how to choose their folk. > Despite what this reveals about these making the accusation (I certainly > was not acting in concert with others on this issue), it was not possible > to discuss this. but discuss it we did, and continue to do it seems. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pouzin at well.com Mon May 6 18:08:19 2013 From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well)) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 00:08:19 +0200 Subject: [governance] Teacher teasing 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Deirdre, ask google: *hacking facebook* Cheers, Louis - - - On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > Can anyone offer some insights about something that really happened? > I am based in a very small country - Saint Lucia - but in so far as it is > possible I am deliberately obscuring the details of this story in an > attempt to protect the "victim" from further annoyance. > A couple of weeks ago someone set up a social media account (Twitter or > Facebook, I'm not sure which) in the name of a senior teacher at one of the > local schools. The comments and photographs proclaimed the sexual successes > with colleagues within the school community of the purported owner of the > account. > When this came to light the purported owner "went ballistic" and > threatened investigation by the FBI and long terms in prison for the > perpetrators. The junior school is reported to be terrified. Meanwhile > another member of staff, working with a student, has managed to deactivate > the offending account. > A friend contacted me to ask - "Could the FBI ...?" " Can someone else > deactivate another person's account?" ... > Can anyone offer an opinion? > Deirdre > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com Mon May 6 18:24:45 2013 From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 02:24:45 +0400 Subject: [governance] Teacher teasing 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Deirdre, There has been an option on Facebook aimed to deactivate other person's account by submitting a report that the person is dead. Maybe that option was used... Regards, Narine On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote: > Deirdre, ask google: *hacking facebook* > > Cheers, Louis > - - - > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Deirdre Williams < > williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Can anyone offer some insights about something that really happened? >> I am based in a very small country - Saint Lucia - but in so far as it is >> possible I am deliberately obscuring the details of this story in an >> attempt to protect the "victim" from further annoyance. >> A couple of weeks ago someone set up a social media account (Twitter or >> Facebook, I'm not sure which) in the name of a senior teacher at one of the >> local schools. The comments and photographs proclaimed the sexual successes >> with colleagues within the school community of the purported owner of the >> account. >> When this came to light the purported owner "went ballistic" and >> threatened investigation by the FBI and long terms in prison for the >> perpetrators. The junior school is reported to be terrified. Meanwhile >> another member of staff, working with a student, has managed to deactivate >> the offending account. >> A friend contacted me to ask - "Could the FBI ...?" " Can someone else >> deactivate another person's account?" ... >> Can anyone offer an opinion? >> Deirdre >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Media Education Center www.safe.am www.immasin.am www.mediaeducation.am -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 6 19:21:06 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 01:21:06 +0200 Subject: [governance] democratic processes (was Re: Internet as a commons/ public good) In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C67FF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <05f401ce3b80$528da3f0$f7a8ebd0$@gmail.com> <516FE83F.20800@itforchange.net> <5170CA7F.2000109@itforchange.net> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C67FF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> Milton L Mueller wrote on 25 Apr 2013, in reply to a posting from me: > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Even if IETF's processes do not follow the traditional patterns of > > democracy (in particular, they do not involve voting, and they make > > it hard for non-techies to participate) really the only major > > hurdles to effective participation in the decision-making processes > > that have been shaping the Internet (in the sense of the > > communication network, not talking about the broader sense of > > "Internet" right now that includes the epiphenomenon) have been > > willingness to engage and having a sufficient understanding of the > > subject matter under discussion to actually understand the > > suggestions and the relevant arguments. > > > > The technical development of the Internet in its significant early > > formative stage was not driven by special interest type business > > interests, but by people who truly care about what I'd call the > > public interest. > > [Milton L Mueller] So let's summarize your argument. There was > nothing like "democracy" in the internet's early technical > development, That is not what I wrote. In my view, there are processes that do not involve voting (and hence do not conform what I called “the traditional patterns of democracy” but which can nevertheless appropriately be called “democratic”. Specifically I would suggest that this is the case for appropriately institutionalized consensus processes, and that it is also the case under some circumstances for exploratory technical development processes where forking (*) is legally and practically possible. By the way, the Tunis Agenda seems to also use the word “democratic” in such a broader sense where voting does not seem to be involved in what is meant: “The international management of the Internet should be multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of governments, the private sector, civil society and international organizations.” “The Internet Governance Forum, in its working and function, will be multilateral, multi-stakeholder, democratic and transparent.” > [Milton L Mueller] I'm sorry, but those processes were democratic > only in relation to the very, very small group of men (about 95%) who > participated in them. Who by the way were also about 95% American and > European. In ancient Athens, only a small minority was legally allowed to participate in the democratic processes. That does not invalidate the fact that the male citizens of Athens have made an important contribution to the development of democracy. Of course I agree that any and all barriers to the participation of people who would otherwise be interested are serious problems, especially when there are barriers that have a systemic discriminatory effect. However I disagree with the view that the removal of barriers to participation will automatically make a decision-making system more democratic. For example, it is often mentioned that corporations pay taxes, but they are not represented in parliaments. Would it make a system of parliamentary democracy more democratic to change it so that half of the members of parliament are elected by corporations and only the other half is elected according to the public vote of the citizens? Of course not! The resulting “multistakeholder”(?) system would IMO not even deserve to be called democratic at all. > The game is much bigger, many more people are involved, and > now it is MORE democratic in that sense, and as a consequence of > being more democratic, people bring their economic interests to the > table. That is inevitable. It is part of democracy, you cannot > insulate society from that. To a farmer, farm subsidies may be in the > public interest, and certainly you cannot deny that farmers are part > of the public. Any concept of democracy that has no role for the > negotiation of economic interest is irrelevant. In negotiations those who have more power typically have more influence on the result. I don't object e.g. to the negotiation of coalition treaties that occurs regularly in some systems of parliamentary democracy, because the relevant kind of power there is of democratic origin and it will last only until the next election. If we move from traditional democratic governance to some kind of governnance that involves multistakeholder processes, I think we need to be very careful to avoid structures that effectively give any political power on the basis of economic power. > By the way, where does market-based governance figure in your world > view? In every area where markets produce good results that can be reasonably viewed as being in the public interest, and to the full extent that that is the case, it is from my perspective the preferred form of governance to simply allow private enterprises and the markets to do their job. > Granted that markets need to be checked (but so do democratic > processes), they provide individual users and suppliers a great deal > of freedom to interact in mutually acceptable ways. Why does this > form of governance - which has played such a vital role in making the > internet accessible and innovative and beneficial - NEVER show up in > your discussions? I don't think that I would be telling anyone anything new if I were to write about that non-problem. There are however some problems that need to be addressed, and there is a need for appropriate mechanisms and appropriate concepts for doing that. > Repression of unpopular groups and views can be democratically > popular. Repression of unpopular groups and views might be popular, but unless this is about groups and views which are somehow illegitimate to the point of being actually harmful to someone, I think that it is clear that such repression cannot qualify as being democratic. Even in contexts where democracy is implemented by means of majority voting, if a majority desires something that would violate the fundamental values on which democracy is based, actually making that decision cannot be democratic because it cannot be democratic to violate the foundation of democracy. For example, the state-sanctioned murder of Socrates may have been popular among the 500-man jury of Athenians that sentenced him to death, but it certainly wasn't democratic. Greetings, Norbert (*) Note: For some information on forking in the context of software development, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29 A similar freedom to fork also exists in regard to technical developments pertaining to the Internet that are not encumbered by patents and that are conducted in the open e.g. by means of discussion via Internet-Drafts. -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Mon May 6 21:51:04 2013 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 01:51:04 +0000 Subject: [governance] Introducing WiGiT v0.2; with - open global - public policy inside Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1FD10B@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Hi, Please find WiGiT v0.2 open specifications at: http://wigit.ischool.syr.edu/assets/open-specs/0424WiGiT_Open_Specs_V0.2.pdf IGCers may find section 3.7, 'Economic, Legal and Policy Component,' p. 19, of special interest. IGCers will note that the 10 Internet Rights and Principles are there; as is the 'modern paradigm for standards' document; as is Michael Gurstein's critique of same. Needless to say, by the time we get to v1.0 one might hope for further expansion and refinement of the open specifications., As indicated in the appendix, the specifications are now extending from the distributed experimental testbed of about 100 National Science Foundation Partnerships for Innovation partner campuses, companies, and communities to enterprise, cloud mobility and smart grid interoperability use cases. To summarize my views on relevance for IGC: 1) I'm not kidding, we are creating a new commons right now, one that is standards-based/creating, but also explicitly includes room for a number of policy and governance mechanisms and specifically the 10 Internet Rights and Principles. Whether set by groups and individuals, firms, or for regulatory compliance and/or insurance reasons, open global public policy is most definitely built in. 2) Meaning it - is too - possible to build in open/commons and proprietary services and software in the future Internet. a) the meaning of 'open' and 'commons' are NOT words the IGC masses are confused over as esteemed colleagues may have alleged. In fact in their spare time they have contributed to this new one, for cloud to edge services, with security and privacy built in. 3) Michael - is too - techie enough to speak for the technical and academic community, see he's in the middle of an open specs document, which also references an IETF doc. ; ) 4) To Parminder, Riaz and other friends feeling a bit frustrated perhaps at limits to forward progress at times...see ps below ; ) Lee PS: b) IGCers are welcome to virtually join WiGiT and edit away at the doc, wiki-style, since we are already working on v0.3 in cooperation with IEEE P2030.4 working group on smart grid interoperability. To join wigit, no cost no obligation virtual organization, email elnanno at syr.edu. More information on what this is all about from an environmental sustainability view will be discussed May 10 10am-12pm est, all are welcome to webconference or dial in to that, or show up in Syracuse if convenient, to the Center of Excellence for Energy and Environmental Systems. PSS: A 'Workplace as a Service' Use Case will be available later in the week to make the point of that perhaps clearer. Syracuse University will be demoing at 'Management World' in Nice, May 13-16, and discussing the open specifications further for cloud mobility/Bring Your Own Device use contexts. More to come. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue May 7 00:41:57 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 10:11:57 +0530 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <5187C143.4040508@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: <51888615.3060301@itforchange.net> On Monday 06 May 2013 09:13 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > It can concern us. > > But I have no role in calling for the Indian government to be more transparent or with regard to its ways doing things except with regard to Human Rights and other treaties treaties they have signed. This is one of the strongest statements i have ever heard in support of the Westphalian model of complete sovereignty . I did not know that you, Avri, were such a keen supporter of that model. I completely disagree with such a formula of non interference and indifference, and believe in the concept of one public interest across stakeholder groups, and also one global public interest across countries, which is the job of respective polities (national and global) to discover and establish - this is basic democratic theory. (I also refuse to believe that all that there is to global public interest is already locked in existing treaties.) > > The Internet may be borderless, but countries and stakeholder groups have borders. But, good you mention borders of stakeholder groups. However, one notes that there is (1) a lack of clarity about any such borders/ boundaries maintained by the most enthusiastic supporters of MSism and (2) considerable opportunistic movements across borders..... Recently we were denied a clear picture about the borders of the technical and academic community stakeholder group . A few year earlier it was insisted that an office holder of a key technical organisation in the Internet space (an RIR) should be nominated by civil society as a rep for some body in a show of oneness across civil society and technical community.... parminder > > avri > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Tue May 7 02:00:12 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 09:00:12 +0300 Subject: [governance] democratic processes (was Re: Internet as a commons/ public good) In-Reply-To: <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <05f401ce3b80$528da3f0$f7a8ebd0$@gmail.com> <516FE83F.20800@itforchange.net> <5170CA7F.2000109@itforchange.net> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C67FF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <5188986C.7000909@gmail.com> Leaving aside some of the other issues, On 2013/05/07 02:21 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Of course I agree that any and all barriers to the participation of > people who would otherwise be interested are serious problems, > especially when there are barriers that have a systemic discriminatory > effect. One needs to be careful about the single vision, that participation or inclusion is always good. The issue must be qualitative - sometimes exclusion is a kinder option! This is not to say that it is idiotic (classical definition> one who does not participate in the democratic process), but that in and of itself non-participation is a political act. Riaz -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Tue May 7 02:07:20 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 09:07:20 +0300 Subject: [governance] Introducing WiGiT v0.2; with - open global - public policy inside In-Reply-To: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1FD10B@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1FD10B@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <51889A18.4030107@gmail.com> On 2013/05/07 04:51 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote: > 4) To Parminder, Riaz and other friends feeling a bit frustrated perhaps at limits to forward progress at times...see ps below ; ) Thanks for this Lee. It seems interesting. Just as a point of modality for engagement, what, we, or precisely I, find problematic about some of the deliberations is that arguments evolve and that sometimes a narrative is built from our views that forces us back time and time again to first principles, rehashing arguments, and countering more innovative ones to debunk ours. This is fine and dandy. The problem is that other narratives do not face this same test of rigour, leaving us at a considerable disadvantage. So this looks very useful - and in some ways is determined by the technology itself which is fairly decentred for users - and engagement will be great. However it cannot replace the need for deepening from our Third World perspective - for our own sakes, as well as noting that much of the progressives in the North (not for want of trying) are not up for the challenge to meet the protection of their own standards. So it is complicated... but great initiative, lets hope we all can play with you all... -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue May 7 02:17:43 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:17:43 +0900 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:59 AM, McTim wrote: > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: >> >> Norbert >> >> After some of us have experienced the weight of the 'majority' (if not in >> always in specifics at an individual but in momentum, as McTim kindly >> bragged > > > > I wasn't being kindly nor bragging, simply stating the truth, the vast > majority want at least loose coherence from the DNS. I suspect you do as > well, which makes you a "single-rooter" too. > What is a "single-rooter"? I know about alt roots (there were been discussions about on the list, intensely some years ago now I think.) Adam > >> >> about large single rooter percentages recently, giving us some >> countermajoritarian validation) there remain some issues. But there is a new >> tenor and it is working out well. So thanks for that. >> >> I think we can be less inflammatory (and I for one may well need >> correcting and guidance) but no less precise, but it needs some restraint. >> >> First, terms. Double standards are very apt. So is disingenuous. Once >> these are raised then... >> >> Second, because these may at first glance (or from a different >> perspective) this opens up the question of motive. Here especially some >> restraint is called for, but it is also tempting to drive a point home. And >> perhaps some co-co intervention at that point would be useful to keep >> language persuasive. >> >> Motive makes for difficult dialogue. For instance the allegation made that >> some of one ilk picked a fight because Gurstein was disappointed for not >> being selected. > > > > > > I think the issue was that we shouldn't be telling others how to choose > their folk. > > >> >> Despite what this reveals about these making the accusation (I certainly >> was not acting in concert with others on this issue), it was not possible to >> discuss this. > > > > but discuss it we did, and continue to do it seems. > > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Tue May 7 03:15:46 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 10:15:46 +0300 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5188AA22.4000308@gmail.com> There are many ways to answer this question. And is in a range. With lots of fudging... There is a the generous view McTim espoused recently. Then the apposite RPerry 'absurd and self-evident'. Then there is the experience of Auerbach, MM Ruling the Root, and of course 'if it aint broke don't fix it' to the 'you are crazy' - in historical time of this list. /This of course is not technical, but about how tendencies in 'groups' are projected/interpreted in the POLITICAL realm./ Technically we know there was monovalent position on CIR when as RP puts it was bivalent. We know the score :) For technical definitions I think KR and DR and perhaps Auerbach may be more up your alley, as I am not inclined to anachronistic views, and revisionism. Auerbach's Cave Bear may still be one of the best resources, if you are interested in a critical perspective. And as Norbert changed the tenor here, so will just let sleeping dogs lie regarding my personal experiences. But by the 1rooter debate precedent was set by this in the IGC and it is a flexibility I interpret to afford 'us' equal space to make claims in which we are able to define 'the terms of the terms' of engagement. A rather difficult and tedious process - intellectual diversity is certainly not the IGC's forte. There is /very little/ in common, despite what McTim suggests, in some of the positions too - although with a legitimate structure a single root would be less offensive (for instance MMs and McT's internationalisation are definitely not how I see it - to bring issues up to date the 'evolved 1 rooters' (and then some) and my kinda ilk). Political lines are drawn rather clearly. I can't make you feel good about your positions, nor can you about mine. That is just politics. Riaz On 2013/05/07 09:17 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > What is a "single-rooter"? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue May 7 04:04:40 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 17:04:40 +0900 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: <5188AA22.4000308@gmail.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> <5188AA22.4000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Kind of helpful. One thing: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > There are many ways to answer this question. And is in a range. With lots of > fudging... > > There is a the generous view McTim espoused recently. Then the apposite > RPerry 'absurd and self-evident'. > > Then there is the experience of Auerbach, MM Ruling the Root, and of course > 'if it aint broke don't fix it' to the 'you are crazy' - in historical time > of this list. The list position, best I recall, has never been 'if it aint broke don't fix it'. Quite the opposite. Adam > This of course is not technical, but about how tendencies in > 'groups' are projected/interpreted in the POLITICAL realm. Technically we > know there was monovalent position on CIR when as RP puts it was bivalent. > We know the score :) > > For technical definitions I think KR and DR and perhaps Auerbach may be more > up your alley, as I am not inclined to anachronistic views, and revisionism. > Auerbach's Cave Bear may still be one of the best resources, if you are > interested in a critical perspective. And as Norbert changed the tenor here, > so will just let sleeping dogs lie regarding my personal experiences. > > But by the 1rooter debate precedent was set by this in the IGC and it is a > flexibility I interpret to afford 'us' equal space to make claims in which > we are able to define 'the terms of the terms' of engagement. A rather > difficult and tedious process - intellectual diversity is certainly not the > IGC's forte. > > There is very little in common, despite what McTim suggests, in some of the > positions too - although with a legitimate structure a single root would be > less offensive (for instance MMs and McT's internationalisation are > definitely not how I see it - to bring issues up to date the 'evolved 1 > rooters' (and then some) and my kinda ilk). > > Political lines are drawn rather clearly. I can't make you feel good about > your positions, nor can you about mine. That is just politics. > > Riaz > > > > > > > > On 2013/05/07 09:17 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > > What is a "single-rooter"? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nyangkweagien at gmail.com Tue May 7 07:05:00 2013 From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:05:00 +0200 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> <5188AA22.4000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: Diaz Why this mumbo-jumbo of "third world provincialism" I ask that because I hail from the provocative "third world" where people from the "first world" come to assassinate, maim and pilfer resources while enthrenching malfeasance to please their whims and calprices. I have finally descovered that this forum has become an arena where people lash out phrases at reckless abandon. Too bad Aaron On 5/7/13, Adam Peake wrote: > Thanks. Kind of helpful. One thing: > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: >> There are many ways to answer this question. And is in a range. With lots >> of >> fudging... >> >> There is a the generous view McTim espoused recently. Then the apposite >> RPerry 'absurd and self-evident'. >> >> Then there is the experience of Auerbach, MM Ruling the Root, and of >> course >> 'if it aint broke don't fix it' to the 'you are crazy' - in historical >> time >> of this list. > > The list position, best I recall, has never been 'if it aint broke > don't fix it'. Quite the opposite. > > Adam > > > >> This of course is not technical, but about how tendencies in >> 'groups' are projected/interpreted in the POLITICAL realm. Technically we >> know there was monovalent position on CIR when as RP puts it was >> bivalent. >> We know the score :) >> >> For technical definitions I think KR and DR and perhaps Auerbach may be >> more >> up your alley, as I am not inclined to anachronistic views, and >> revisionism. >> Auerbach's Cave Bear may still be one of the best resources, if you are >> interested in a critical perspective. And as Norbert changed the tenor >> here, >> so will just let sleeping dogs lie regarding my personal experiences. >> >> But by the 1rooter debate precedent was set by this in the IGC and it is >> a >> flexibility I interpret to afford 'us' equal space to make claims in >> which >> we are able to define 'the terms of the terms' of engagement. A rather >> difficult and tedious process - intellectual diversity is certainly not >> the >> IGC's forte. >> >> There is very little in common, despite what McTim suggests, in some of >> the >> positions too - although with a legitimate structure a single root would >> be >> less offensive (for instance MMs and McT's internationalisation are >> definitely not how I see it - to bring issues up to date the 'evolved 1 >> rooters' (and then some) and my kinda ilk). >> >> Political lines are drawn rather clearly. I can't make you feel good >> about >> your positions, nor can you about mine. That is just politics. >> >> Riaz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2013/05/07 09:17 AM, Adam Peake wrote: >> >> What is a "single-rooter"? >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > -- Aaron Agien Nyangkwe Journalist-OutCome Mapper P.O.Box 5213 Douala-Cameroon Telephone +237 73 42 71 27 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 7 07:23:21 2013 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:23:21 +0100 Subject: [governance] democratic processes (was Re: Internet as a commons/ public good) In-Reply-To: <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <05f401ce3b80$528da3f0$f7a8ebd0$@gmail.com> <516FE83F.20800@itforchange.net> <5170CA7F.2000109@itforchange.net> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C67FF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: In message <20130507012106.3db3d50c at quill.bollow.ch>, at 01:21:06 on Tue, 7 May 2013, Norbert Bollow writes >“The Internet Governance Forum, in its working and function, will be >multilateral, multi-stakeholder, democratic and transparent.” Although Nitin used to consistently claim that because there was no "membership list" for the IGF it was not possible to conduct any votes. (I'm not even sure the MAG "does" voting, and even if they did, the MAG is not the IGF; it's the nearest we have to the IGF's Bureau, to use intergovernmental language - ie it's the programme committee). -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Tue May 7 09:02:41 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz Tayob) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:02:41 +0300 Subject: On talking about hypocrisy (was Re: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation) In-Reply-To: References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <20130506183637.12850cd1@quill.bollow.ch> <5187F4C8.1070609@gmail.com> <5188AA22.4000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is not mumbo jumbo... merely pointing out the sameness of peculiarities we all bring to the table... On 7 May 2013 14:05, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron wrote: > Diaz > > Why this mumbo-jumbo of "third world provincialism" > > I ask that because I hail from the provocative "third world" where > people from the "first world" come to assassinate, maim and pilfer > resources while enthrenching malfeasance to please their whims and > calprices. > > I have finally descovered that this forum has become an arena where > people lash out phrases at reckless abandon. > > Too bad > > Aaron > > On 5/7/13, Adam Peake wrote: > > Thanks. Kind of helpful. One thing: > > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Riaz K Tayob > wrote: > >> There are many ways to answer this question. And is in a range. With > lots > >> of > >> fudging... > >> > >> There is a the generous view McTim espoused recently. Then the apposite > >> RPerry 'absurd and self-evident'. > >> > >> Then there is the experience of Auerbach, MM Ruling the Root, and of > >> course > >> 'if it aint broke don't fix it' to the 'you are crazy' - in historical > >> time > >> of this list. > > > > The list position, best I recall, has never been 'if it aint broke > > don't fix it'. Quite the opposite. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > >> This of course is not technical, but about how tendencies in > >> 'groups' are projected/interpreted in the POLITICAL realm. Technically > we > >> know there was monovalent position on CIR when as RP puts it was > >> bivalent. > >> We know the score :) > >> > >> For technical definitions I think KR and DR and perhaps Auerbach may be > >> more > >> up your alley, as I am not inclined to anachronistic views, and > >> revisionism. > >> Auerbach's Cave Bear may still be one of the best resources, if you are > >> interested in a critical perspective. And as Norbert changed the tenor > >> here, > >> so will just let sleeping dogs lie regarding my personal experiences. > >> > >> But by the 1rooter debate precedent was set by this in the IGC and it is > >> a > >> flexibility I interpret to afford 'us' equal space to make claims in > >> which > >> we are able to define 'the terms of the terms' of engagement. A rather > >> difficult and tedious process - intellectual diversity is certainly not > >> the > >> IGC's forte. > >> > >> There is very little in common, despite what McTim suggests, in some of > >> the > >> positions too - although with a legitimate structure a single root would > >> be > >> less offensive (for instance MMs and McT's internationalisation are > >> definitely not how I see it - to bring issues up to date the 'evolved 1 > >> rooters' (and then some) and my kinda ilk). > >> > >> Political lines are drawn rather clearly. I can't make you feel good > >> about > >> your positions, nor can you about mine. That is just politics. > >> > >> Riaz > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2013/05/07 09:17 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > >> > >> What is a "single-rooter"? > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > > -- > Aaron Agien Nyangkwe > Journalist-OutCome Mapper > P.O.Box 5213 > Douala-Cameroon > Telephone +237 73 42 71 27 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue May 7 13:45:42 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 19:45:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] Evidence-based policy-making and impact assessments for Internet-related policies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130507194542.18c72f9d@quill.bollow.ch> Andrea Glorioso wrote on Mon, 29 Apr 2013: > I wonder whether there is a need to introduce specific guidelines / > methodologies to assess the impact of Internet-related policies > (which I define on the fly as "policies (including regulation, soft > law, research activities) which either impact on, or are impacted by, > the Internet). Sorry that I'm only now getting around to responding to the very important and interesting questions that you're raising... hopefully I'm not too late and the topic is still of interest, > Questions that come to my mind: > > - is the Internet an important enough phenomenon / infrastructure to > justify having specific methodologies to assess the impact of > policies on it, and its impact on policies? I would respond to this question with a clear yes, but more importantly, it is becoming increasingly impossible to separate the Internet, and what it enables, from what used to be the offline world but isn't so offline anymore. I would argue that this causes significant aspects of the traditional ways of thinking about public policy and about the corresponding legal frameworks to be not suitable for todays's world. Many if the underlying heuristics and assumptions are not valid anymore. > - are existing methodologies (e.g. concerning the impact on ICT or > telecommunication networks generically) enough to cover this need? No... those methodologies may be less badly outdated than what experts on legal systems (the lawyers) learn during their studies, but the world is changing so quickly nowadays that all existing methodologies are already outdated by the time that they're recognized as “existing methodologies”. What we now need is analytical methods that are updated, through an appropriate multistakeholder process, in real time, as the world is changing. > - which kind of basic questions should one ask when assessing the > impact of Internet-related policies? The same kind of questions that have always been appropriate to ask for proposals of any kind: What is the intended effect? What is the cost? How likely is it that the intended effect will be achieved? What are the risks in regard to negative side-effects? How can those risks be managed or mitigated? What is the potential cost of mitigation measures that may be needed? What negative side-effects are likely to remain after any mitigation measures? Is, in view of all of the risks and costs, the proposed measure worthwhile? > - which kind of methodological tools (and from which disciplines) > should one consider when performing such impact assessment? I find the "logical thinking process" tools of Goldratt's Theory of Constraints to be highly helpful for all kinds of analysis and deliberation in complex systemic contexts. See e.g.: H. William Dettmer: The Logical Thinking process. A Systems Approach to Complex Problem Solving. Milwaukee, WI, USA, 2007 (Quality Press) ISBN 978-0-87389-723-5 On top of that I believe that we need an international multistakeholder process to develop more specific analysis methodologies, to keep them up to date, and to apply them to current policy challenges. That is a primary objective of the Wisdom Task Force proposal http://WisdomTaskForce.org/RFB/1 Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From soekpe at gmail.com Tue May 7 14:43:29 2013 From: soekpe at gmail.com (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 19:43:29 +0100 Subject: [governance] democratic processes (was Re: Internet as a commons/ public good) In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <05f401ce3b80$528da3f0$f7a8ebd0$@gmail.com> <516FE83F.20800@itforchange.net> <5170CA7F.2000109@itforchange.net> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C67FF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: +1 to Roland Perry. Sonigitu Ekpe Aji :-@ SEA "Life becomes more meaningful; when we think of others, positively." +234 8027510179 On May 7, 2013 12:25 PM, "Roland Perry" wrote: > In message <20130507012106.3db3d50c@**quill.bollow.ch<20130507012106.3db3d50c at quill.bollow.ch>>, > at 01:21:06 on Tue, 7 May 2013, Norbert Bollow writes > >> “The Internet Governance Forum, in its working and function, will be >> multilateral, multi-stakeholder, democratic and transparent.” >> > > Although Nitin used to consistently claim that because there was no > "membership list" for the IGF it was not possible to conduct any votes. > > (I'm not even sure the MAG "does" voting, and even if they did, the MAG is > not the IGF; it's the nearest we have to the IGF's Bureau, to use > intergovernmental language - ie it's the programme committee). > -- > Roland Perry > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincere thanks to everyone who has volunteered already! At least 20 further volunteers are needed. Greetings, Norbert Norbert Bollow wrote on Thu, 2 May 2013: > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the > relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the > selection of the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Tue May 7 16:10:08 2013 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: <20130507204712.5bb045a1@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> <20130507204712.5bb045a1@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <1367957408.3887.YahooMailNeo@web160502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I volunteer for NomCom Appeals Team Shaila Rao Mistry   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Norbert Bollow To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal [with IGC coordinator hat on] Dear all Here's a quick status update: So far I have 5 volunteers on the list who are willing to participate in the random draw for the NomCom (Chaitanya Dhareshwar, Jeremy Malcolm, José Félix Arias Ynche, Kerry Brown, Avri Doria). Sincere thanks to everyone who has volunteered already! At least 20 further volunteers are needed. Greetings, Norbert Norbert Bollow wrote on Thu, 2 May 2013: > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the > relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the > selection of the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Tue May 7 16:13:57 2013 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:13:57 -0400 Subject: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: <20130507204712.5bb045a1@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> <20130507204712.5bb045a1@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: I volunteer to be included in the draw Deirdre On 7 May 2013 14:47, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all > > Here's a quick status update: So far I have 5 volunteers on the list > who are willing to participate in the random draw for the NomCom > (Chaitanya Dhareshwar, Jeremy Malcolm, José Félix Arias Ynche, > Kerry Brown, Avri Doria). > > Sincere thanks to everyone who has volunteered already! > > At least 20 further volunteers are needed. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > Norbert Bollow wrote on Thu, 2 May 2013: > > > Dear all, > > > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the > > relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the > > selection of the new Appeals Team. > > > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > > 2013. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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José Francisco Callo Romero Lima Perú Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Movistar -----Original Message----- From: Deirdre Williams Sender: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:13:57 To: ; Norbert Bollow Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Deirdre Williams Subject: Re: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal I volunteer to be included in the draw Deirdre On 7 May 2013 14:47, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all > > Here's a quick status update: So far I have 5 volunteers on the list > who are willing to participate in the random draw for the NomCom > (Chaitanya Dhareshwar, Jeremy Malcolm, José Félix Arias Ynche, > Kerry Brown, Avri Doria). > > Sincere thanks to everyone who has volunteered already! > > At least 20 further volunteers are needed. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > Norbert Bollow wrote on Thu, 2 May 2013: > > > Dear all, > > > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the > > relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the > > selection of the new Appeals Team. > > > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > > 2013. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Tue May 7 17:05:49 2013 From: cveraq at gmail.com (Carlos Vera Quintana) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:05:49 -0500 Subject: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: <1217072077-1367960089-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2122404421-@b4.c20.bise6.blackberry> References: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> <20130507204712.5bb045a1@quill.bollow.ch> <1217072077-1367960089-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2122404421-@b4.c20.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Me too Carlos Vera 0988141143 El 07/05/2013, a las 15:54, jfcallo at ciencitec.com escribió: > Me anoto como voluntario. > Atte. > José Francisco Callo Romero > Lima Perú > Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Movistar > From: Deirdre Williams > Sender: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:13:57 -0400 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > ReplyTo: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Deirdre Williams > Subject: Re: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal > > I volunteer to be included in the draw > Deirdre > > > On 7 May 2013 14:47, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Dear all >> >> Here's a quick status update: So far I have 5 volunteers on the list >> who are willing to participate in the random draw for the NomCom >> (Chaitanya Dhareshwar, Jeremy Malcolm, José Félix Arias Ynche, >> Kerry Brown, Avri Doria). >> >> Sincere thanks to everyone who has volunteered already! >> >> At least 20 further volunteers are needed. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> >> >> Norbert Bollow wrote on Thu, 2 May 2013: >> >> > Dear all, >> > >> > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >> > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >> > process for renewing the Appeals Team. >> > >> > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >> > >> > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >> > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >> > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >> > >> > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the >> > relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the >> > selection of the new Appeals Team. >> > >> > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >> > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >> > 2013. >> > >> > Greetings, >> > Norbert >> > >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joy at apc.org Tue May 7 20:43:34 2013 From: joy at apc.org (joy) Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 12:43:34 +1200 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <026901ce4a6c$8822f9c0$9868ed40$@gmail.com> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <026901ce4a6c$8822f9c0$9868ed40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51899FB6.7000703@apc.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For the avoidance of doubt: >>> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other >>> stakeholders' selection processes. relates to my bandwidth for this issue, rather than whether or not other groups should be transparent etc. There seem to be enough other civil society folks interested in pursuing it and by all means those who wish to pursue this issue should do so. Given the small number of civil society participants, my priority will be to focus on some of other substantive issues in the working group. Hence I am not interested in pursuing the specific issue of requests for publication of the other stakeholders' selection processes. Joy On 7/05/2013 3:15 a.m., michael gurstein wrote: >>> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have >>> the opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. I am >>> not interested in requests for publication of the other >>> stakeholders' selection processes. > > M > > -----Original Message----- From: > governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri > Doria Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:23 AM To: IGC Subject: Re: > [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation > > Hi, > > Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites. > > As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible > for calling for transparency within their own groups. > > And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese, > ganders?) > > avri > > > On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote: > >> Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the >> ganders or is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this >> piling of hypocrisy upon hypocrisy... or if some find this >> statement rather too bald/bold -- we must insist that you do as I >> say, not as I do... >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- From: >> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of >> McTim Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM To: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD >> WG on Enhanced Cooperation >> >> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Thanks for the update Avri. I'd also call for the meeting to be >>> open and would want to have the opportunity to discuss any >>> rationale to the contrary. I am not interested in requests for >>> publication of the other stakeholders' selection processes. >> >> I agree with Avri and Joy! >> >> -- Cheers, >> >> McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where >> it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ You >> received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, >> visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile >> and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiZ+2AAoJEA9zUGgfM+bqF/4IAKxPBbKOzWTMFgqJtdgidYHc wk/zFniUZ+R86n9RF+YsaIkEkpigf0qD6Dcys0JNV1rcQETSbJSHUlH65tL8AaQ/ KguOVVQyBwBtkZeh0ntcap2ZiR8iGMk8Y2FeW0vjhGd7vW6YCvC65dmIUL0nGpnd WbBDtzdKVly/vy9gFZ3Mpv7jE/1FsJl1lAlrHAVC65dbh2j0TXL4q+u/NWvimkzf YBtQYDHkMD97SP8PLCS7h1NlVuJK1kR0nvRh4Z99npOEs0g8R4lrQTnQfYghy2Wn pL6rL+ZbglE5yPPwUIaRqVXw9XCDczwtyE8M1MxOpTH7ssGmqQM/K91Zzf05x58= =7kLt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Tue May 7 21:46:00 2013 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 10:46:00 +0900 Subject: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: References: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> <20130507204712.5bb045a1@quill.bollow.ch> <1217072077-1367960089-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2122404421-@b4.c20.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I also volunteer for the NomCom for Appeal Team selection. izumi 2013/5/8 Carlos Vera Quintana > Me too > > Carlos Vera > 0988141143 > > El 07/05/2013, a las 15:54, jfcallo at ciencitec.com escribió: > > Me anoto como voluntario. > Atte. > José Francisco Callo Romero > Lima Perú > Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Movistar > ------------------------------ > *From: * Deirdre Williams > *Sender: * governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > *Date: *Tue, 7 May 2013 16:13:57 -0400 > *To: *; Norbert Bollow > *ReplyTo: * governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Deirdre Williams < > williams.deirdre at gmail.com> > *Subject: *Re: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal > > I volunteer to be included in the draw > Deirdre > > > On 7 May 2013 14:47, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Dear all >> >> Here's a quick status update: So far I have 5 volunteers on the list >> who are willing to participate in the random draw for the NomCom >> (Chaitanya Dhareshwar, Jeremy Malcolm, José Félix Arias Ynche, >> Kerry Brown, Avri Doria). >> >> Sincere thanks to everyone who has volunteered already! >> >> At least 20 further volunteers are needed. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> >> >> Norbert Bollow wrote on Thu, 2 May 2013: >> >> > Dear all, >> > >> > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >> > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >> > process for renewing the Appeals Team. >> > >> > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >> > >> > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >> > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >> > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >> > >> > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the >> > relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the >> > selection of the new Appeals Team. >> > >> > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >> > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >> > 2013. >> > >> > Greetings, >> > Norbert >> > >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Tue May 7 21:58:52 2013 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 10:58:52 +0900 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <51899FB6.7000703@apc.org> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <026901ce4a6c$8822f9c0$9868ed40$@gmail.com> <51899FB6.7000703@apc.org> Message-ID: I also support Avri's comments on not going to other stakeholders areas, not because I support the Westphalian model, but more of practical ways to concentrate on the WG's business. Avri made clear that she will argue for the openness and most of us also do support that, period. If by some means the WG as a whole decides to close the door, unfortunately, then the choice for any member is to stay or leave the WG. I don't think walking out before the WG begins because of high principle and process problem is the most productive way to work in a quasi multi-stakeholder setup such as CSTD WG. I was also a member of CSTD WG for improvements of IGF where the rule of open/close or even the status of gov vs other stakeholder groups were not that clear, yet we worked together and came to consensus, maybe, of course that level of consensus is not satisfactory to every member of the WG as well as most stakeholder groups in their own light. As Parminder said in early posting, we can and should separate the simple statement asking for the openness of the WG meetings, and the selection process issue to advance. izumi 2013/5/8 joy > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > For the avoidance of doubt: > >>> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other > >>> stakeholders' selection processes. > relates to my bandwidth for this issue, rather than whether or not > other groups should be transparent etc. There seem to be enough other > civil society folks interested in pursuing it and by all means those > who wish to pursue this issue should do so. Given the small number of > civil society participants, my priority will be to focus on some of > other substantive issues in the working group. Hence I am not > interested in pursuing the specific issue of requests for publication > of the other stakeholders' selection processes. > > > Joy > On 7/05/2013 3:15 a.m., michael gurstein wrote: > >>> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have > >>> the opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. I am > >>> not interested in requests for publication of the other > >>> stakeholders' selection processes. > > > > M > > > > -----Original Message----- From: > > governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri > > Doria Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:23 AM To: IGC Subject: Re: > > [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation > > > > Hi, > > > > Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites. > > > > As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible > > for calling for transparency within their own groups. > > > > And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese, > > ganders?) > > > > avri > > > > > > On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote: > > > >> Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the > >> ganders or is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this > >> piling of hypocrisy upon hypocrisy... or if some find this > >> statement rather too bald/bold -- we must insist that you do as I > >> say, not as I do... > >> > >> M > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: > >> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of > >> McTim Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM To: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD > >> WG on Enhanced Cooperation > >> > >> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: > >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >>> > >>> Thanks for the update Avri. I'd also call for the meeting to be > >>> open and would want to have the opportunity to discuss any > >>> rationale to the contrary. I am not interested in requests for > >>> publication of the other stakeholders' selection processes. > >> > >> I agree with Avri and Joy! > >> > >> -- Cheers, > >> > >> McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where > >> it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ You > >> received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, > >> visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile > >> and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiZ+2AAoJEA9zUGgfM+bqF/4IAKxPBbKOzWTMFgqJtdgidYHc > wk/zFniUZ+R86n9RF+YsaIkEkpigf0qD6Dcys0JNV1rcQETSbJSHUlH65tL8AaQ/ > KguOVVQyBwBtkZeh0ntcap2ZiR8iGMk8Y2FeW0vjhGd7vW6YCvC65dmIUL0nGpnd > WbBDtzdKVly/vy9gFZ3Mpv7jE/1FsJl1lAlrHAVC65dbh2j0TXL4q+u/NWvimkzf > YBtQYDHkMD97SP8PLCS7h1NlVuJK1kR0nvRh4Z99npOEs0g8R4lrQTnQfYghy2Wn > pL6rL+ZbglE5yPPwUIaRqVXw9XCDczwtyE8M1MxOpTH7ssGmqQM/K91Zzf05x58= > =7kLt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Tue May 7 23:16:34 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 23:16:34 -0400 Subject: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <5189C392.7050204@communisphere.com> Thomas Lowenhaupt will serve on the Appeals Team if selected. On 5/2/2013 6:15 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively > small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of > the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed May 8 01:11:39 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 17:11:39 +1200 Subject: [governance] Update NomCom for Appeals Team renewal Message-ID: Dear All, Warm Greetings! We need 25 names before the draw can be initiated. As of today, here are the list of volunteers: 1. Chaitanya Dhareshwar; 2. Jeremy Malcolm; 3. Shaila Mistry; 4.Deirdre Williams; 5.J.F Callo; 6.Carlos Vera Quintana 7.Thomas Lowenhaupt Kind Regards, Sala On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively > small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of > the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You resolve issues when you sit and share understanding with all and it sinks in them. I encourage all to participate and act with knowledge. Thank you, Sonigitu Ekpe Aji :-@ SEA "Life becomes more meaningful; when we think of others, positively." +234 8027510179 On May 8, 2013 1:43 AM, "joy" wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > For the avoidance of doubt: > >>> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other > >>> stakeholders' selection processes. > relates to my bandwidth for this issue, rather than whether or not > other groups should be transparent etc. There seem to be enough other > civil society folks interested in pursuing it and by all means those > who wish to pursue this issue should do so. Given the small number of > civil society participants, my priority will be to focus on some of > other substantive issues in the working group. Hence I am not > interested in pursuing the specific issue of requests for publication > of the other stakeholders' selection processes. > > > Joy > On 7/05/2013 3:15 a.m., michael gurstein wrote: > >>> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have > >>> the opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. I am > >>> not interested in requests for publication of the other > >>> stakeholders' selection processes. > > > > M > > > > -----Original Message----- From: > > governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri > > Doria Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:23 AM To: IGC Subject: Re: > > [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation > > > > Hi, > > > > Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites. > > > > As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible > > for calling for transparency within their own groups. > > > > And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese, > > ganders?) > > > > avri > > > > > > On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote: > > > >> Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the > >> ganders or is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this > >> piling of hypocrisy upon hypocrisy... or if some find this > >> statement rather too bald/bold -- we must insist that you do as I > >> say, not as I do... > >> > >> M > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: > >> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of > >> McTim Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM To: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joy Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD > >> WG on Enhanced Cooperation > >> > >> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy wrote: > >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >>> > >>> Thanks for the update Avri. I'd also call for the meeting to be > >>> open and would want to have the opportunity to discuss any > >>> rationale to the contrary. I am not interested in requests for > >>> publication of the other stakeholders' selection processes. > >> > >> I agree with Avri and Joy! > >> > >> -- Cheers, > >> > >> McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where > >> it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ You > >> received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, > >> visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile > >> and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRiZ+2AAoJEA9zUGgfM+bqF/4IAKxPBbKOzWTMFgqJtdgidYHc > wk/zFniUZ+R86n9RF+YsaIkEkpigf0qD6Dcys0JNV1rcQETSbJSHUlH65tL8AaQ/ > KguOVVQyBwBtkZeh0ntcap2ZiR8iGMk8Y2FeW0vjhGd7vW6YCvC65dmIUL0nGpnd > WbBDtzdKVly/vy9gFZ3Mpv7jE/1FsJl1lAlrHAVC65dbh2j0TXL4q+u/NWvimkzf > YBtQYDHkMD97SP8PLCS7h1NlVuJK1kR0nvRh4Z99npOEs0g8R4lrQTnQfYghy2Wn > pL6rL+ZbglE5yPPwUIaRqVXw9XCDczwtyE8M1MxOpTH7ssGmqQM/K91Zzf05x58= > =7kLt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 17:59:05 +1200 Subject: [governance] Re: Update NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Revised list of Volunteers are as follows: Volunteers for the NomCom for the 2013 Appeals Team renewal =========================================================== 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar 2) Jeremy Malcolm 3) José Félix Arias Ynche 4) Kerry Brown 5) Avri Doria 6) Sarah Kiden 7) Shaila Mistry 8) José Francisco Callo Romero 9) Carlos Vera Quintana 10) Izumi AIZU 11) Adam Peake 12) Angela Daly For those who would like to volunteer please email: < coordinators at igcaucus.org>. The next update will be in the coming week. Kind Regards, Sala On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Warm Greetings! We need 25 names before the draw can be initiated. > > As of today, here are the list of volunteers: > > 1. Chaitanya Dhareshwar; > 2. Jeremy Malcolm; > 3. Shaila Mistry; > 4.Deirdre Williams; > 5.J.F Callo; > 6.Carlos Vera Quintana > 7.Thomas Lowenhaupt > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Dear all, >> >> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >> months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >> process for renewing the Appeals Team. >> >> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >> >> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >> task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >> chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >> >> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively >> small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of >> the new Appeals Team. >> >> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >> preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >> 2013. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> -- >> Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: >> 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com > > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. 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But if we use our imaginations, our possibilities become limitless” NAME: VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA CONTACT: +256 773307045 / +256 713307045 / +256 753307045 EMAIL:aliama.vincent at cit.mak.ac.ug / vinsolo15 at yahoo.co.uk /vinsoloster at gmail.com Skype : vinsolo2 ________________________________ From: Deirdre Williams To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 23:13 Subject: Re: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal I volunteer to be included in the draw Deirdre On 7 May 2013 14:47, Norbert Bollow wrote: [with IGC coordinator hat on] > >Dear all > >Here's a quick status update: So far I have 5 volunteers on the list >who are willing to participate in the random draw for the NomCom >(Chaitanya Dhareshwar, Jeremy Malcolm, José Félix Arias Ynche, >Kerry Brown, Avri Doria). > >Sincere thanks to everyone who has volunteered already! > >At least 20 further volunteers are needed. > >Greetings, >Norbert > > > >Norbert Bollow wrote on Thu, 2 May 2013: > > >> Dear all, >> >> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >> months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >> process for renewing the Appeals Team. >> >> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >> >> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >> task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >> chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >> >> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the >> relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the >> selection of the new Appeals Team. >> >> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >> preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >> 2013. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fulvio.frati at unimi.it Wed May 8 05:23:50 2013 From: fulvio.frati at unimi.it (Fulvio Frati) Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 11:23:50 +0200 Subject: [governance] Third International Symposium on Data-driven Process Discovery and Analysis (SIMPDA 2013) Message-ID: <00d101ce4bcd$c0552ef0$40ff8cd0$@unimi.it> [Apologies if you receives multiple copies of this CFP] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- Third International Symposium on Data-driven Process Discovery and Analysis (SIMPDA 2013) IFIP Working Groups 2.6 and 2.12/12.4 In conjunction with the 39th international conference on Very Large Databases (VLDB 2013) Riva del Garda, Trento (Italy) - August 30th, 2013 http://sesar.dti.unimi.it/SIMPDA2013/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- * About SIMPDA With the increasing automation of business processes, growing amounts of process data become available. This opens new research opportunities for business process data analysis, mining and modeling. The aim of the IFIP 2.6 - 2.12 International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and Analysis is to offer a forum where researchers from different communities and the industry can share their insight in this hot new field. This year the symposium will be inserted among the VLDB 2013 workshops and will feature a number presentations on recent research results and competitive PhD seminar. All this in the charming setting of Riva del Garda at the north-western corner of Lake Garda, at the southern edge of the Italian Alps, near the Dolomites. * Call for Papers The IFIP International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and Analysis (SIMPDA 2013) offers a unique opportunity to present new approaches and research results to researchers and practitioners working in business process data modeling, representation and privacy-aware analysis. The symposium will bring together leading researchers, engineers and scientists from around the world. Full papers must not exceed 15 pages. Short papers are limited to at most 4 pages. All papers must be original contributions, not previously published or under review for publication elsewhere. All contributions must be written in English and must follow the LNCS Springer Verlag format. Templates can be downloaded from: http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html Accepted papers will be published in a pre-proceeding volume with an ISBN. The authors of the accepted papers will be invited to submit extended articles to a post-symposium proceedings volume which will be published in the LNBIP series (Lecture Notes in Business Information Processing, http://www.springer.com/series/7911), scheduled for early 2014 (extended papers length will be between 7000 and 9000 words). Around 10-15 papers will be selected for publication after a second round of review. * Topics - Topics of interest for submission include, but are not limited to: - Business Process modeling languages, notations and methods - Data-aware and data-centric approaches - Variability and configuration of process models - Process Mining with Big Data - Process simulation and static analyses - Process data query languages - Process data mining - Privacy-aware process data mining - Process metadata and semantic reasoning - Process patterns and standards - Foundations of business process models - Resource management in business process execution - Process tracing and monitoring - Process change management and evolution - Business process lifecycle - Case studies and experience reports - Social process discovery - Crowdsourced process definition and discovery * Important Dates - Paper Submission: 10 June 2013. - Submission of PhD Presentations: 10 June 2013 - Notification of Acceptance: 10 July 2013 - Submission of Camera Ready Papers: 05 August 2013 * Workshop Format In accordance to our historical tradition of proposing SIMPDA as a symposium, we propose an innovative format for this workshop: The number of sessions depend on the number of submissions but, considering the previous editions, we envisage to have four sessions, with 4-5 related papers assigned to each session. A special session (with a specific review process) will be dedicated to discuss research plan from PhD students. Papers are pre-circulated to the authors that will be expected to read all papers in advance but to avoid exceptional overhead, two are assigned to be prepared with particular care, making ready comments and suggestions. The bulk of the time during each session will be dedicated to open conversations about all of the papers in a given session, along with any linkages to the papers and discussions within an earlier session. The closing session (30 minutes), will include a panel about open challenges during which every participant will be asked to assemble their thoughts/project ideas/goals/etc that they got out of the workshop. * Call for PhD Research Plans The SIMPDA PhD Seminar is a workshop for Ph.D. students from all over the world. The goal of the Seminar is to help students with their thesis and research plans by providing feedback and general advice on how to use their research results. Students interested in participating in the Seminar should submit an extended abstract describing their research. Submissions can relate to any aspect of Process Data: technical advances, usage and impact studies, policy analyses, social and institutional implications, theoretical contributions, interaction and design advances, innovative applications, and social implications. Research plans should be at most of 4 page long and should be organized following the following structure: * Abstract: summarizes, in 5 line, the research aims and significance. * Research Question: defines what will be accomplished by eliciting the relevant the research questions. * Background: defines the background knowledge providing the 5 most relevant references (papers or books). * Significance: explains the relevance of the general topic and of the specific contribution. * Research design and methods: describes and motivates the method adopted focusing on: assumptions, solutions, data sources, validation of results, limitations of the approach. * Research stage: describes what the student has done so far. * SIMPDA PhD award A doctoral award will be given by the SIMPDA PhD Jury to the best research plan submitted. *Student Scholarships An application for a limited number of scholarships aimed at students coming from emerging countries has been submitted to IFIP. In order to apply, please contact paolo.ceravolo at unimi.it * Organizers + Workshop Chairs - Rafael Accorsi, University of Freiburg, Germany - Paolo Ceravolo, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy - Philippe Cudre-Mauroux , University of Fribourg, Switzerland + Advisory Board - Karl Aberer, EPFL, Switzerland - Ernesto Damiani, Universita' degli Studi di Milano, Italy - Tharam Dillon, La Trobe University, Australia - Dragan Gasevic, Athabasca University, Canada - Marcello Leida, EBTIC (Etisalat BT Innovation Centre), UAE - Erich Neuhold, University of Vienna, Austria - Maurice van Keulen, University of Twente, The Netherlands + PhD. Award Committee - Gregorio Piccoli, Zucchetti spa, Italy - Paolo Ceravolo, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy - Marcello Leida, EBTIC (Etisalat BT Innovation Centre), UAE + Web Chair - Fulvio Frati, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy * Venue The conference will take place in the Conference Center of Riva del Garda: More info on: http://www.vldb.org/2013/conference_venue.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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J. of Knowledge and Learning - Special Issue on: "Knowledge Acquisition, Reuse and Evaluation" Message-ID: <01ae01ce4bd7$21e68390$65b38ab0$@unimi.it> [Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP] **************************************************************************** *********** Call for papers International Journal of Knowledge and Learning - Elsevier Special Issue on: "Knowledge Acquisition, Reuse and Evaluation" http://www.inderscience.com/info/ingeneral/cfp.php?id=2169 **************************************************************************** *********** Guest Editors: - Davy Monticolo, University of Lorraine, France - Paolo Ceravolo, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy The advent of the age of digital information has raised the problem of knowledge acquisition, reuse and evaluation. This is today a dynamic research area constantly subject to adaption to new application requirements. Reuse and sharing of knowledge bases are major issues and no satisfactory solutions have as yet been agreed upon as knowledge acquisition still remains the bottleneck for building a knowledge-based system. Our ability to analyse, evaluate and assist users in reusing knowledge presents a great challenge for the coming years. A new generation of computational techniques and tools is required to support the acquisition, reuse and evaluation of useful knowledge from the rapidly growing volume of information. This call is aimed at collecting both theoretical and experimental results concerned with developing methods and systems that assist the knowledge management process and assessing the suitability of such methods. ** Subject Coverage ** Suitable topics include but are not limited to: - Tools and techniques for knowledge acquisition, knowledge updating and knowledge validation - Semantic web inference methodologies - Semantic knowledge portals - Web-based approaches for knowledge management - Agent-based approaches for knowledge management - Software agents for semantic web - Semantic web-based knowledge management - Tools, languages and techniques for semantic annotation - Semantic searching - Semantic brokering - CSCW and cooperative approaches for knowledge management 2 - Evaluation of knowledge acquisition techniques - Information and knowledge structures - Languages and frameworks for knowledge and knowledge modelling - Ontology creation, evolution, reconciliation and mediation - Ontology-based approaches for knowledge management - Knowledge delivery methods - Knowledge life cycle - Knowledge and information extraction and discovery techniques - Knowledge extraction from images/pictures - Intelligent knowledge-based systems - Decision support and expert systems ** Notes for Prospective Authors ** Submitted papers should not have been previously published nor be currently under consideration for publication elsewhere. (N.B. Conference papers may only be submitted if the paper has been completely re-written and if appropriate written permissions have been obtained from any copyright holders of the original paper). All papers are refereed through a peer review process. Abstracts should be submitted by email to the Guest Editors: Davy Monticolo: davy.monticolo at ensgsi.inpl-nancy.fr Paolo Ceravolo: paolo.ceravolo at unimi.it All papers must be submitted online. To submit a paper, please read our information on preparing and submitting articles. ** Important Dates ** - Abstract submission (by email): 20 May, 2013 - Full papers submission (online): 30 May, 2013 - Notification to authors: 30 July, 2013 - Final versions due: 15 September, 2013 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed May 8 08:47:18 2013 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 13:47:18 +0100 Subject: [governance] democratic processes (was Re: Internet as a commons/ public good) In-Reply-To: <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23B7F0D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <05f401ce3b80$528da3f0$f7a8ebd0$@gmail.com> <516FE83F.20800@itforchange.net> <5170CA7F.2000109@itforchange.net> <5170E2EA.1060807@itforchange.net> <20130419182251.08c918bc@quill.bollow.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1F5CBB@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <112a01ce3d31$80c418f0$824c4ad0$@gmail.com> <5176ABBB.6060502@gmail.com> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C5C3E@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130424091013.447f974e@quill.bollow.ch> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C67FF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <20130507012106.3db3d50c@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: In message <20130507012106.3db3d50c at quill.bollow.ch>, at 01:21:06 on Tue, 7 May 2013, Norbert Bollow writes >In ancient Athens, only a small minority was legally allowed to >participate in the democratic processes. That does not invalidate the >fact that the male citizens of Athens have made an important >contribution to the development of democracy. Same in the USA, where although all men were stated as being created equal, only the 15% who were white male property owners had the vote. (Although that changed over time). -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Wed May 8 09:59:32 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 15:59:32 +0200 Subject: [governance] Geneva Message-ID: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> Hi In years past it was the practice before the May meetings to ask who is going to be in Geneva when, try to organize a caucus or CS meeting, maybe do a joint statement about something, and so on. Is anything along these lines contemplated for this year? We have stuff going on over a four week period: The WSIS Forum 13-17 May @ ITU The WTPF 14-16 May, with a pre-event on the 13th @ the Conference Center* The GigaNet Workshop, "The Global Governance of the Internet: Intergovernmentalism, Multistakeholderism and Networks" at the Graduate Institute, 17-18 May [with wine festivals and other stuff in the region the weekend after] The IGF Open Consultations and MAG meeting 21 to 23 May @ EBU [more wine festivals etc the weekend] The secret WGEC meeting 30 to 31 May @ the Palais [no festivals] The CSTD's 16th Session 03 to 07 June @ the Palais *I was just looking at the documentation for the ITU's WTPF 14 to 16 May and note that there's only one civil society submission (from D. Brown, A. Doria, N. Nwakanma, M. Shears) and the ISOC submission. Probably the caucus would be unable to reach consensus on something related to Draft Opinion 6: on supporting operationalizing the enhanced cooperation process. But one would have thought that some comment on Draft Opinion 5: Supporting Multi-stakeholderism in Internet Governance might have been possible…. Anyway, just wondering Best, Bill *************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland www.williamdrake.org Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake at uzh.ch **************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed May 8 10:25:14 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 19:55:14 +0530 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [IP] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award References: Message-ID: <5FBC977D-6D73-4ECC-BD6E-DBEFAB2B02CD@hserus.net> As the moderator of a list that has been hosted on cpsr for over a decade ++, I mourn its passing. There are all too few credible and respected civil society groups, especially of such a high technical caliber and with a longstanding record of advocating ethics and privacy in computing. --srs (iPad) Begin forwarded message: > From: Dave Farber > Date: 8 May 2013 19:20:12 IST > To: "ip" > Subject: [IP] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award > Reply-To: dave at farber.net > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrew Russell > Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 > Subject: CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award > To: David Farber > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Doug Schuler >> Subject: [cpsr-global] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award >> Date: May 7, 2013 9:49:57 PM EDT >> To: cpsr-global at lists.cpsr.org >> Reply-To: cpsr-global at lists.cpsr.org >> >> >> Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Dissolution and >> Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility >> >> >> It is my unenviable task to announce that Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR), a non-profit educational corporation, has been dissolved. >> >> CPSR was launched in 1981 in Palo Alto, California, to question the computerization of war in the United States via the Strategic Computing Initiative to use artificial intelligence in war, and, soon after, the Strategic Defense Initiative — “Star Wars”. Over the years CPSR evolved into a “big tent” organization that addressed a variety of computer-related areas including workplace issues, privacy, participatory design, freedom of information, community networks, and many others. >> >> Now, of course, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations and movements that are concerned not only about the misuses of ICT by governments and corporations (and others) but also about trying to develop approaches that help communities work together to address issues related to economic and other inequalities and environmental degradation — as well as broader issues such as war and peace. >> >> CPSR to me provided a vital link to important ideas and to inspirational and creative people. These people believed that positive social change was possible and that the use of ICT could play a significant role. For example, in 1993, CPSR developed a document designed to help shape the National Information Infrastructure (NII) program promoted by the Clinton/Gore administration to help guide the evolution of networked digital communication. Through a variety of conferences, workshops and reports, CPSR encouraged conversations about computers and society that went beyond hyperbole and conventional wisdom. >> >> Although in many ways the issues that CPSR helped publicize have changed forms they generally still remain. The ethical and other issues surrounding the computerization of war, for one thing, have not gone away just because they’re not prominent on the public agenda. CPSR’s original focus on the use of artificial intelligence in “battle management” etc. and the possibility of launch on warning is probably still pertinent. The advent of ubiquitous and inexpensive drones definitely is. >> >> Apparently, as many people know, the age of the participatory membership organizations is over — their numbers are certainly way down — and we in CPSR had certainly noticed that trend. I personally suspect that this development is not necessarily a good thing. I certainly would welcome another membership organization with CPSR’s Big Tent orientation. >> >> On the occasion of CPSR’s dissolution we’ve developed two small projects for keeping CPSR’s spirit alive. >> >> The first is that it would be a good opportunity to catalog the groups and organizations around the world that would be natural allies to CPSR if it still existed. We’ve started this cataloging (see http://www.publicsphereproject.org/civic_organizations) but presumably have only captured a small fraction of these organizations. Please open an account on the Public Sphere Project site and add the information about your organization. >> >> The second is less concrete but probably no less important. To help the current and future generation of activists as we envision possible futures and interventions, we’d like to put these two related questions forward: What applications of ICT are the most important to human development and sustainability? And, on the other hand, What are the strongest challenges to these applications? Please email me your thoughts on this and I will do my best to compile the thoughts and make them public. >> >> ********* >> >> With this note I also want to announce that CPSR’s final Norbert Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility winner is Gary Chapman, who served as CPSR’s first executive director from 1985 to 1992. The award recognizes outstanding contributions for social responsibility in computing technology. Named for Norbert Wiener (1894-1964), who, in addition to a long and active scientific career that brought the word "cybernetics" (and, hence, cyberspace) into the language, was also a leader in assessing the social implications of computerization. Writing in Science (1960) Wiener reminds us that, “...even when the individual believes that science contributes to the human ends which he has at heart, his belief needs a continual scanning and re-evaluation which is only partly possible. For the individual scientist, even the partial appraisal of the liaison between the man and the historical process requires an imaginative forward glance at history which is difficult, exacting, and only limitedly achievable...We must always exert the full strength of our imagination.” >> >> Gary who died in 2010, spent nearly three decades working towards peace and social justice as it related to information technology. As Marc Rotenberg of the Electronic Privacy and Information Center (EPIC) stated, Gary “made many people stop and ask hard questions about technology. Not just ‘Is it cool?’ but ‘Does it make our lives better, or more just? And does it make our world more secure?’ ” >> >> Gary’s technology column, "Digital Nation," was carried in over 200 newspapers and websites. He taught and lectured all over the world, most recently as a guest faculty member at the University of Porto in Porto, Portugal. Since his time at CPSR he had been involved in a multitude of related projects including the International School for Digital Transformation (ISDT) that he and others at the University of Texas convened annually in Porto, Portugal. >> >> Gary was on the faculty of the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas, Austin. On the local level, he also worked to bridge the digital divide, the gulf between those with access to technology and those without. In 1995, for example, he worked on the successful grant application that led to the establishment of Austin Free-Net (www.austinfree.net), which installed the first public access Internet stations in Austin, and continues today as a national model for bringing digital opportunities to low-income and digitally challenged residents. And in 2010, Gary co-founded Big Gig Austin (www.biggigaustin.org), which anchored the successful community campaign to bring the Google gigabit fiber network to Austin. >> >> Gary was a principled and untiring advocate for the use of the Internet a tool for collaboration and other means to bring people together. Also, as a former medic with the Army Special Forces, Gary was especially concerned about the uses of computing in warfare. In his articles in the CPSR Newsletter, he warned that “Automating our ignorance of how to cope with war will produce only more disaster.” With David Bellin he co-edited “Computers in Battle: Will They Work?”, a book on the implications of computer technology in war, and was involved for many years in a rich collaboration with the Pugwash-USPID (Unione Scienziati Per Il Disarmo)-ISODARCO (International School on Disarmament and Research on Conflicts) community in Italy and elsewhere. >> >> Gary contributed chapters to several books that I was involved with. Most recently, he contributed The Good Life, one of the patterns (publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv) in Liberating Voices, a book that I wrote (with the help of 85 others). The verbiage from the pattern card abridged from the full text reminds us of Gary's humane values, and serves as an important challenge for all of us: >> >> People who hope for a better world feel the need for a shared vision of the "good life" that is flexible enough for innumerable individual circumstances but comprehensive enough to unite people in optimistic, deliberate, progressive social change. This shared vision of The Good Life should promote and sustain conviviality and solidarity among people, as well as feelings of individual effectiveness, self-worth and purpose. A shared vision of The Good Life is always adapting; it encompasses suffering, loss and conflict as well as pleasures, reverence and common goals of improvement. An emergent framework for the modern "good life" is based on some form of humanism, particularly pragmatic or civic humanism, with room for a spiritual dimension that does not seek domination. Finally, the environmental crises of the planet require a broad vision of a "good life" that can harmonize human aspirations with natural limits. All this needs to be an ongoing and open-ended "conversation," best suited to small geographic groups that can craft and then live an identity that reflects their vision of a "good life." >> >> Although this will be CPSR's final Weiner award, the work that Gary and other activists from CPSR and other organizations helped launch over two decades ago is now being carried forward by scores of organizations and thousands of activists all over the world, as digital information and communication systems have assumed such a central location on the world's stage. >> >> Several projects including a Festschrift or other book project or event related to CPSR and social responsibility have been discussed although no firm plans have been made. >> >> Gary Chapman was patient but persistent in his pursuit of progressive goals and a better life for all. Sadly, Gary left us before he could see his vision brought to fruition. He'll be missed but we all must push forward with his vision. >> >> >> ********* >> >> CPSR’s Norbert Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility Winners >> >> >> 2013 - Gary Chapman >> For his tireless efforts to promote human values within an increasingly computerized world. >> >> >> 1987 - David Parnas >> For his work to promote software reliability and his campaign to raise public awareness of the technical infeasibility of the Strategic Defense Initiative. >> >> 1988 - Joe Weizenbaum >> For his work to promote the human side of his computing, as expressed in his book Computer Power and Human Reason. >> >> 1989 - Daniel D. McCracken >> For his work in the late 1960s to organize computer professionals against the deployment of ABM systems. >> >> 1990 - Kristen Nygaard >> For his pioneering work in Norway to develop "participatory design," which seeks the direct involvement of workers in the development of the computer-based tools they use. >> >> 1991 - Severo Ornstein and Laura Gould >> For their tireless energy to guide CPSR through its early years. >> >> 1992 - Barbara Simons >> For her work on human rights, military funding, and the U.C. Berkeley reentry program for women. >> >> 1993 - Institute for Global Communication >> For using network technology to empower previously disenfranchised individuals and groups working for progressive change. >> >> 1994 - Antonia Stone >> For her work in founding the Playing To Win organization, which has brought computer skills to many people who have long been technologically disadvantaged. >> >> 1995 - Tom Grundner >> For his pioneering work in establishing the Free Net movement, which has provided access to network technology to entire communities who would otherwise be unrepresented. >> >> 1996 - Phil Zimmermann >> Inventor of Pretty Good Privacy (PGP). PGP allows the average person to encode his or her email. Previously, only governments or large corporations could make their email secure. >> >> 1997 - Peter Neumann >> Editor of the RISKS Digest, for his outstanding contributions to the field of Risk and Reliability in Computer Science. Read his Notes on Receiving CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award >> >> 1998 - The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >> A large open international community of individuals, engaged in the development of new Internet standard specifications, for its tremendously positive technical and other contributions to the evolution and smooth operation of the Internet. >> >> 1999 - The Free Software & Open Source Movements >> This movement profoundly challenges the belief that market mechanisms are always best-suited for unleashing technological innovation. This voluntary and collaborative model for software development is providing a true alternative to proprietary, closed software. >> >> 2000 - Marc Rotenberg >> For his ongoing efforts through CPSR and the Electronic Privacy Information Center to protect the loss of public's privacy through technological innovation. >> >> 2001 - Nira Schwartz and Theodore Postol >> For their courageous efforts to disclose misinformation and falsified test results of the proposed National Missile Defense system. >> >> 2002 - Karl Auerbach >> For pioneering democratic Internet governance. >> >> 2003 - Mitch Kapor >> For being a role model for anyone seeking to succeed in the cut-throat world of high tech business without sacrificing integrity and conscience. >> >> 2004 - Barry Steinhardt >> For being a prominent advocate for privacy and other civil liberties in the face of technologically-oriented threats. >> >> 2005 - Douglas Engelbart >> For being a pioneer of human-computer interface technology, inventor of the mouse, and social-impact visionary. >> >> 2008 - Bruce Schneier >> For his technical achievements and passionate advocacy for privacy, security, and civil liberties. >> >> >> >> Douglas Schuler >> douglas at publicsphereproject.org > > Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed May 8 11:15:17 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:15:17 -0400 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation In-Reply-To: <51888615.3060301@itforchange.net> References: <018e01ce4401$747bf5a0$5d73e0e0$@ch> <51846900.5080809@apc.org> <8641942b-5211-4934-a0fa-0cdbb1192487@email.android.com> <5186DA0A.70808@apc.org> <01c801ce4a5f$7ebe1ca0$7c3a55e0$@gmail.com> <264BDDCB-8E46-4865-91DD-ECDFE45AF101@ella.com> <5187C143.4040508@ITforChange.net> <51888615.3060301@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for pigeonholing me into a hole of your own choosing. On 7 May 2013, at 00:41, parminder wrote: > This is one of the strongest statements i have ever heard in support of the Westphalian model of complete sovereignty . I did not know that you, Avri, were such a keen supporter of that model. i support extreme notions of grassroots-up subsidiarity: decentralize and make decisions at the lowest level they can be reasonably made at. And for better or worse, I accept that the world is currently organized into nation states that make sovereignty claims that the citizens seem to mostly accept. I might wish for it to be a more fluid bottom-up self-reorganizing set of structures, but that doesn't seem to be the reality I am stuck in. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed May 8 11:26:27 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:26:27 -0400 Subject: [governance] [] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award In-Reply-To: <5FBC977D-6D73-4ECC-BD6E-DBEFAB2B02CD@hserus.net> References: <5FBC977D-6D73-4ECC-BD6E-DBEFAB2B02CD@hserus.net> Message-ID: <3AEE168A-48F4-4A70-A9A4-1825A55F8A98@acm.org> Hi, I join you in mourning its passing. CPSR was the first group I know of to really organize those working in the computer field along public interest lines. And while I am among those who let my membership lapse long ago, it was the first group of its sort that I joined and learned from. avri On 8 May 2013, at 10:25, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > As the moderator of a list that has been hosted on cpsr for over a decade ++, I mourn its passing. > > There are all too few credible and respected civil society groups, especially of such a high technical caliber and with a longstanding record of advocating ethics and privacy in computing. > > --srs (iPad) > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Dave Farber >> Date: 8 May 2013 19:20:12 IST >> To: "ip" >> Subject: [IP] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award >> Reply-To: dave at farber.net >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Andrew Russell >> Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 >> Subject: CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award >> To: David Farber >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Doug Schuler >>> Subject: [cpsr-global] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award >>> Date: May 7, 2013 9:49:57 PM EDT >>> To: cpsr-global at lists.cpsr.org >>> Reply-To: cpsr-global at lists.cpsr.org >>> >>> >>> Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Dissolution and >>> Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility >>> >>> >>> It is my unenviable task to announce that Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR), a non-profit educational corporation, has been dissolved. >>> >>> CPSR was launched in 1981 in Palo Alto, California, to question the computerization of war in the United States via the Strategic Computing Initiative to use artificial intelligence in war, and, soon after, the Strategic Defense Initiative — “Star Wars”. Over the years CPSR evolved into a “big tent” organization that addressed a variety of computer-related areas including workplace issues, privacy, participatory design, freedom of information, community networks, and many others. >>> >>> Now, of course, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations and movements that are concerned not only about the misuses of ICT by governments and corporations (and others) but also about trying to develop approaches that help communities work together to address issues related to economic and other inequalities and environmental degradation — as well as broader issues such as war and peace. >>> >>> CPSR to me provided a vital link to important ideas and to inspirational and creative people. These people believed that positive social change was possible and that the use of ICT could play a significant role. For example, in 1993, CPSR developed a document designed to help shape the National Information Infrastructure (NII) program promoted by the Clinton/Gore administration to help guide the evolution of networked digital communication. Through a variety of conferences, workshops and reports, CPSR encouraged conversations about computers and society that went beyond hyperbole and conventional wisdom. >>> >>> Although in many ways the issues that CPSR helped publicize have changed forms they generally still remain. The ethical and other issues surrounding the computerization of war, for one thing, have not gone away just because they’re not prominent on the public agenda. CPSR’s original focus on the use of artificial intelligence in “battle management” etc. and the possibility of launch on warning is probably still pertinent. The advent of ubiquitous and inexpensive drones definitely is. >>> >>> Apparently, as many people know, the age of the participatory membership organizations is over — their numbers are certainly way down — and we in CPSR had certainly noticed that trend. I personally suspect that this development is not necessarily a good thing. I certainly would welcome another membership organization with CPSR’s Big Tent orientation. >>> >>> On the occasion of CPSR’s dissolution we’ve developed two small projects for keeping CPSR’s spirit alive. >>> >>> The first is that it would be a good opportunity to catalog the groups and organizations around the world that would be natural allies to CPSR if it still existed. We’ve started this cataloging (see http://www.publicsphereproject.org/civic_organizations) but presumably have only captured a small fraction of these organizations. Please open an account on the Public Sphere Project site and add the information about your organization. >>> >>> The second is less concrete but probably no less important. To help the current and future generation of activists as we envision possible futures and interventions, we’d like to put these two related questions forward: What applications of ICT are the most important to human development and sustainability? And, on the other hand, What are the strongest challenges to these applications? Please email me your thoughts on this and I will do my best to compile the thoughts and make them public. >>> >>> ********* >>> >>> With this note I also want to announce that CPSR’s final Norbert Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility winner is Gary Chapman, who served as CPSR’s first executive director from 1985 to 1992. The award recognizes outstanding contributions for social responsibility in computing technology. Named for Norbert Wiener (1894-1964), who, in addition to a long and active scientific career that brought the word "cybernetics" (and, hence, cyberspace) into the language, was also a leader in assessing the social implications of computerization. Writing in Science (1960) Wiener reminds us that, “...even when the individual believes that science contributes to the human ends which he has at heart, his belief needs a continual scanning and re-evaluation which is only partly possible. For the individual scientist, even the partial appraisal of the liaison between the man and the historical process requires an imaginative forward glance at history which is difficult, exacting, and only limitedly achievable...We must always exert the full strength of our imagination.” >>> >>> Gary who died in 2010, spent nearly three decades working towards peace and social justice as it related to information technology. As Marc Rotenberg of the Electronic Privacy and Information Center (EPIC) stated, Gary “made many people stop and ask hard questions about technology. Not just ‘Is it cool?’ but ‘Does it make our lives better, or more just? And does it make our world more secure?’ ” >>> >>> Gary’s technology column, "Digital Nation," was carried in over 200 newspapers and websites. He taught and lectured all over the world, most recently as a guest faculty member at the University of Porto in Porto, Portugal. Since his time at CPSR he had been involved in a multitude of related projects including the International School for Digital Transformation (ISDT) that he and others at the University of Texas convened annually in Porto, Portugal. >>> >>> Gary was on the faculty of the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas, Austin. On the local level, he also worked to bridge the digital divide, the gulf between those with access to technology and those without. In 1995, for example, he worked on the successful grant application that led to the establishment of Austin Free-Net (www.austinfree.net), which installed the first public access Internet stations in Austin, and continues today as a national model for bringing digital opportunities to low-income and digitally challenged residents. And in 2010, Gary co-founded Big Gig Austin (www.biggigaustin.org), which anchored the successful community campaign to bring the Google gigabit fiber network to Austin. >>> >>> Gary was a principled and untiring advocate for the use of the Internet a tool for collaboration and other means to bring people together. Also, as a former medic with the Army Special Forces, Gary was especially concerned about the uses of computing in warfare. In his articles in the CPSR Newsletter, he warned that “Automating our ignorance of how to cope with war will produce only more disaster.” With David Bellin he co-edited “Computers in Battle: Will They Work?”, a book on the implications of computer technology in war, and was involved for many years in a rich collaboration with the Pugwash-USPID (Unione Scienziati Per Il Disarmo)-ISODARCO (International School on Disarmament and Research on Conflicts) community in Italy and elsewhere. >>> >>> Gary contributed chapters to several books that I was involved with. Most recently, he contributed The Good Life, one of the patterns (publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv) in Liberating Voices, a book that I wrote (with the help of 85 others). The verbiage from the pattern card abridged from the full text reminds us of Gary's humane values, and serves as an important challenge for all of us: >>> >>> People who hope for a better world feel the need for a shared vision of the "good life" that is flexible enough for innumerable individual circumstances but comprehensive enough to unite people in optimistic, deliberate, progressive social change. This shared vision of The Good Life should promote and sustain conviviality and solidarity among people, as well as feelings of individual effectiveness, self-worth and purpose. A shared vision of The Good Life is always adapting; it encompasses suffering, loss and conflict as well as pleasures, reverence and common goals of improvement. An emergent framework for the modern "good life" is based on some form of humanism, particularly pragmatic or civic humanism, with room for a spiritual dimension that does not seek domination. Finally, the environmental crises of the planet require a broad vision of a "good life" that can harmonize human aspirations with natural limits. All this needs to be an ongoing and open-ended "conversation," best suited to small geographic groups that can craft and then live an identity that reflects their vision of a "good life." >>> >>> Although this will be CPSR's final Weiner award, the work that Gary and other activists from CPSR and other organizations helped launch over two decades ago is now being carried forward by scores of organizations and thousands of activists all over the world, as digital information and communication systems have assumed such a central location on the world's stage. >>> >>> Several projects including a Festschrift or other book project or event related to CPSR and social responsibility have been discussed although no firm plans have been made. >>> >>> Gary Chapman was patient but persistent in his pursuit of progressive goals and a better life for all. Sadly, Gary left us before he could see his vision brought to fruition. He'll be missed but we all must push forward with his vision. >>> >>> >>> ********* >>> >>> CPSR’s Norbert Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility Winners >>> >>> >>> 2013 - Gary Chapman >>> For his tireless efforts to promote human values within an increasingly computerized world. >>> >>> >>> 1987 - David Parnas >>> For his work to promote software reliability and his campaign to raise public awareness of the technical infeasibility of the Strategic Defense Initiative. >>> >>> 1988 - Joe Weizenbaum >>> For his work to promote the human side of his computing, as expressed in his book Computer Power and Human Reason. >>> >>> 1989 - Daniel D. McCracken >>> For his work in the late 1960s to organize computer professionals against the deployment of ABM systems. >>> >>> 1990 - Kristen Nygaard >>> For his pioneering work in Norway to develop "participatory design," which seeks the direct involvement of workers in the development of the computer-based tools they use. >>> >>> 1991 - Severo Ornstein and Laura Gould >>> For their tireless energy to guide CPSR through its early years. >>> >>> 1992 - Barbara Simons >>> For her work on human rights, military funding, and the U.C. Berkeley reentry program for women. >>> >>> 1993 - Institute for Global Communication >>> For using network technology to empower previously disenfranchised individuals and groups working for progressive change. >>> >>> 1994 - Antonia Stone >>> For her work in founding the Playing To Win organization, which has brought computer skills to many people who have long been technologically disadvantaged. >>> >>> 1995 - Tom Grundner >>> For his pioneering work in establishing the Free Net movement, which has provided access to network technology to entire communities who would otherwise be unrepresented. >>> >>> 1996 - Phil Zimmermann >>> Inventor of Pretty Good Privacy (PGP). PGP allows the average person to encode his or her email. Previously, only governments or large corporations could make their email secure. >>> >>> 1997 - Peter Neumann >>> Editor of the RISKS Digest, for his outstanding contributions to the field of Risk and Reliability in Computer Science. Read his Notes on Receiving CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award >>> >>> 1998 - The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) >>> A large open international community of individuals, engaged in the development of new Internet standard specifications, for its tremendously positive technical and other contributions to the evolution and smooth operation of the Internet. >>> >>> 1999 - The Free Software & Open Source Movements >>> This movement profoundly challenges the belief that market mechanisms are always best-suited for unleashing technological innovation. This voluntary and collaborative model for software development is providing a true alternative to proprietary, closed software. >>> >>> 2000 - Marc Rotenberg >>> For his ongoing efforts through CPSR and the Electronic Privacy Information Center to protect the loss of public's privacy through technological innovation. >>> >>> 2001 - Nira Schwartz and Theodore Postol >>> For their courageous efforts to disclose misinformation and falsified test results of the proposed National Missile Defense system. >>> >>> 2002 - Karl Auerbach >>> For pioneering democratic Internet governance. >>> >>> 2003 - Mitch Kapor >>> For being a role model for anyone seeking to succeed in the cut-throat world of high tech business without sacrificing integrity and conscience. >>> >>> 2004 - Barry Steinhardt >>> For being a prominent advocate for privacy and other civil liberties in the face of technologically-oriented threats. >>> >>> 2005 - Douglas Engelbart >>> For being a pioneer of human-computer interface technology, inventor of the mouse, and social-impact visionary. >>> >>> 2008 - Bruce Schneier >>> For his technical achievements and passionate advocacy for privacy, security, and civil liberties. >>> >>> >>> >>> Douglas Schuler >>> douglas at publicsphereproject.org >> >> Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Wed May 8 21:13:56 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:13:56 +0800 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> References: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <100FCE8B-C56E-4B64-9097-B502BAF9C9C7@ciroap.org> On 08/05/2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: > In years past it was the practice before the May meetings to ask who is going to be in Geneva when, try to organize a caucus or CS meeting, maybe do a joint statement about something, and so on. Is anything along these lines contemplated for this year? We have stuff going on over a four week period: I'm only going to be able to make it for the first week (Geneva is so expensive!), but would be glad to get together with some other caucus folk while I'm there. Regarding a joint statement, the Best Bits group is putting one together for the WTPF, and I would support the caucus issuing one for the IGF open consultations and MAG meeting as has already been discussed, focusing on the implementation of the recommendations on IGF improvements. > *I was just looking at the documentation for the ITU's WTPF 14 to 16 May and note that there's only one civil society submission (from D. Brown, A. Doria, N. Nwakanma, M. Shears) and the ISOC submission. Probably the caucus would be unable to reach consensus on something related to Draft Opinion 6: on supporting operationalizing the enhanced cooperation process. But one would have thought that some comment on Draft Opinion 5: Supporting Multi-stakeholderism in Internet Governance might have been possible…. You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but the ITU has refused to receive it. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed May 8 21:34:18 2013 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 10:34:18 +0900 Subject: [governance] [] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award In-Reply-To: <3AEE168A-48F4-4A70-A9A4-1825A55F8A98@acm.org> References: <5FBC977D-6D73-4ECC-BD6E-DBEFAB2B02CD@hserus.net> <3AEE168A-48F4-4A70-A9A4-1825A55F8A98@acm.org> Message-ID: I also like to mourn, and I also became a member long ago, I guess it was in 1991 or so when Howard Rheingold brought me to the meeting in the SF Bay area. "Social responsibility" was beginning to be recognized in tech community around late 80's in my shallow memory, and CPSR is certainly one of these groups who pushed it a lot. In the age of social networking now, maybe the somewhat "closed" membership model may not draw the energy and interests of many, I am afraid. izumi 2013/5/9 Avri Doria > Hi, > > I join you in mourning its passing. CPSR was the first group I know of to > really organize those working in the computer field along public interest > lines. > > And while I am among those who let my membership lapse long ago, it was > the first group of its sort that I joined and learned from. > > avri > > > On 8 May 2013, at 10:25, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > > As the moderator of a list that has been hosted on cpsr for over a > decade ++, I mourn its passing. > > > > There are all too few credible and respected civil society groups, > especially of such a high technical caliber and with a longstanding record > of advocating ethics and privacy in computing. > > > > --srs (iPad) > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: Dave Farber > >> Date: 8 May 2013 19:20:12 IST > >> To: "ip" > >> Subject: [IP] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's > Norbert Wiener Award > >> Reply-To: dave at farber.net > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Andrew Russell > >> Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 > >> Subject: CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert > Wiener Award > >> To: David Farber > >> > >> > >> Begin forwarded message: > >> > >>> From: Doug Schuler > >>> Subject: [cpsr-global] CPSR dissolution and Gary Chapman, Winner of > CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award > >>> Date: May 7, 2013 9:49:57 PM EDT > >>> To: cpsr-global at lists.cpsr.org > >>> Reply-To: cpsr-global at lists.cpsr.org > >>> > >>> > >>> Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Dissolution and > >>> Gary Chapman, Winner of CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award for Social and > Professional Responsibility > >>> > >>> > >>> It is my unenviable task to announce that Computer Professionals for > Social Responsibility (CPSR), a non-profit educational corporation, has > been dissolved. > >>> > >>> CPSR was launched in 1981 in Palo Alto, California, to question the > computerization of war in the United States via the Strategic Computing > Initiative to use artificial intelligence in war, and, soon after, the > Strategic Defense Initiative — “Star Wars”. Over the years CPSR evolved > into a “big tent” organization that addressed a variety of computer-related > areas including workplace issues, privacy, participatory design, freedom of > information, community networks, and many others. > >>> > >>> Now, of course, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations > and movements that are concerned not only about the misuses of ICT by > governments and corporations (and others) but also about trying to develop > approaches that help communities work together to address issues related to > economic and other inequalities and environmental degradation — as well as > broader issues such as war and peace. > >>> > >>> CPSR to me provided a vital link to important ideas and to > inspirational and creative people. These people believed that positive > social change was possible and that the use of ICT could play a significant > role. For example, in 1993, CPSR developed a document designed to help > shape the National Information Infrastructure (NII) program promoted by the > Clinton/Gore administration to help guide the evolution of networked > digital communication. Through a variety of conferences, workshops and > reports, CPSR encouraged conversations about computers and society that > went beyond hyperbole and conventional wisdom. > >>> > >>> Although in many ways the issues that CPSR helped publicize have > changed forms they generally still remain. The ethical and other issues > surrounding the computerization of war, for one thing, have not gone away > just because they’re not prominent on the public agenda. CPSR’s original > focus on the use of artificial intelligence in “battle management” etc. and > the possibility of launch on warning is probably still pertinent. The > advent of ubiquitous and inexpensive drones definitely is. > >>> > >>> Apparently, as many people know, the age of the participatory > membership organizations is over — their numbers are certainly way down — > and we in CPSR had certainly noticed that trend. I personally suspect that > this development is not necessarily a good thing. I certainly would welcome > another membership organization with CPSR’s Big Tent orientation. > >>> > >>> On the occasion of CPSR’s dissolution we’ve developed two small > projects for keeping CPSR’s spirit alive. > >>> > >>> The first is that it would be a good opportunity to catalog the groups > and organizations around the world that would be natural allies to CPSR if > it still existed. We’ve started this cataloging (see > http://www.publicsphereproject.org/civic_organizations) but presumably > have only captured a small fraction of these organizations. Please open an > account on the Public Sphere Project site and add the information about > your organization. > >>> > >>> The second is less concrete but probably no less important. To help > the current and future generation of activists as we envision possible > futures and interventions, we’d like to put these two related questions > forward: What applications of ICT are the most important to human > development and sustainability? And, on the other hand, What are the > strongest challenges to these applications? Please email me your thoughts > on this and I will do my best to compile the thoughts and make them public. > >>> > >>> ********* > >>> > >>> With this note I also want to announce that CPSR’s final Norbert > Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility winner is Gary > Chapman, who served as CPSR’s first executive director from 1985 to 1992. > The award recognizes outstanding contributions for social responsibility in > computing technology. Named for Norbert Wiener (1894-1964), who, in > addition to a long and active scientific career that brought the word > "cybernetics" (and, hence, cyberspace) into the language, was also a leader > in assessing the social implications of computerization. Writing in Science > (1960) Wiener reminds us that, “...even when the individual believes that > science contributes to the human ends which he has at heart, his belief > needs a continual scanning and re-evaluation which is only partly possible. > For the individual scientist, even the partial appraisal of the liaison > between the man and the historical process requires an imaginative forward > glance at history which is difficult, exacting, and only limitedly > achievable...We must always exert the full strength of our imagination.” > >>> > >>> Gary who died in 2010, spent nearly three decades working towards > peace and social justice as it related to information technology. As Marc > Rotenberg of the Electronic Privacy and Information Center (EPIC) stated, > Gary “made many people stop and ask hard questions about technology. Not > just ‘Is it cool?’ but ‘Does it make our lives better, or more just? And > does it make our world more secure?’ ” > >>> > >>> Gary’s technology column, "Digital Nation," was carried in over 200 > newspapers and websites. He taught and lectured all over the world, most > recently as a guest faculty member at the University of Porto in Porto, > Portugal. Since his time at CPSR he had been involved in a multitude of > related projects including the International School for Digital > Transformation (ISDT) that he and others at the University of Texas > convened annually in Porto, Portugal. > >>> > >>> Gary was on the faculty of the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public > Affairs at the University of Texas, Austin. On the local level, he also > worked to bridge the digital divide, the gulf between those with access to > technology and those without. In 1995, for example, he worked on the > successful grant application that led to the establishment of Austin > Free-Net (www.austinfree.net), which installed the first public access > Internet stations in Austin, and continues today as a national model for > bringing digital opportunities to low-income and digitally challenged > residents. And in 2010, Gary co-founded Big Gig Austin ( > www.biggigaustin.org), which anchored the successful community campaign > to bring the Google gigabit fiber network to Austin. > >>> > >>> Gary was a principled and untiring advocate for the use of the > Internet a tool for collaboration and other means to bring people together. > Also, as a former medic with the Army Special Forces, Gary was especially > concerned about the uses of computing in warfare. In his articles in the > CPSR Newsletter, he warned that “Automating our ignorance of how to cope > with war will produce only more disaster.” With David Bellin he co-edited > “Computers in Battle: Will They Work?”, a book on the implications of > computer technology in war, and was involved for many years in a rich > collaboration with the Pugwash-USPID (Unione Scienziati Per Il > Disarmo)-ISODARCO (International School on Disarmament and Research on > Conflicts) community in Italy and elsewhere. > >>> > >>> Gary contributed chapters to several books that I was involved with. > Most recently, he contributed The Good Life, one of the patterns ( > publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv) in Liberating Voices, a book that I > wrote (with the help of 85 others). The verbiage from the pattern card > abridged from the full text reminds us of Gary's humane values, and serves > as an important challenge for all of us: > >>> > >>> People who hope for a better world feel the need for a shared vision > of the "good life" that is flexible enough for innumerable individual > circumstances but comprehensive enough to unite people in optimistic, > deliberate, progressive social change. This shared vision of The Good Life > should promote and sustain conviviality and solidarity among people, as > well as feelings of individual effectiveness, self-worth and purpose. A > shared vision of The Good Life is always adapting; it encompasses > suffering, loss and conflict as well as pleasures, reverence and common > goals of improvement. An emergent framework for the modern "good life" is > based on some form of humanism, particularly pragmatic or civic humanism, > with room for a spiritual dimension that does not seek domination. Finally, > the environmental crises of the planet require a broad vision of a "good > life" that can harmonize human aspirations with natural limits. All this > needs to be an ongoing and open-ended "conversation," best suited to small > geographic groups that can craft and then live an identity that reflects > their vision of a "good life." > >>> > >>> Although this will be CPSR's final Weiner award, the work that Gary > and other activists from CPSR and other organizations helped launch over > two decades ago is now being carried forward by scores of organizations and > thousands of activists all over the world, as digital information and > communication systems have assumed such a central location on the world's > stage. > >>> > >>> Several projects including a Festschrift or other book project or > event related to CPSR and social responsibility have been discussed > although no firm plans have been made. > >>> > >>> Gary Chapman was patient but persistent in his pursuit of progressive > goals and a better life for all. Sadly, Gary left us before he could see > his vision brought to fruition. He'll be missed but we all must push > forward with his vision. > >>> > >>> > >>> ********* > >>> > >>> CPSR’s Norbert Wiener Award for Social and Professional Responsibility > Winners > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013 - Gary Chapman > >>> For his tireless efforts to promote human values within an > increasingly computerized world. > >>> > >>> > >>> 1987 - David Parnas > >>> For his work to promote software reliability and his campaign to raise > public awareness of the technical infeasibility of the Strategic Defense > Initiative. > >>> > >>> 1988 - Joe Weizenbaum > >>> For his work to promote the human side of his computing, as expressed > in his book Computer Power and Human Reason. > >>> > >>> 1989 - Daniel D. McCracken > >>> For his work in the late 1960s to organize computer professionals > against the deployment of ABM systems. > >>> > >>> 1990 - Kristen Nygaard > >>> For his pioneering work in Norway to develop "participatory design," > which seeks the direct involvement of workers in the development of the > computer-based tools they use. > >>> > >>> 1991 - Severo Ornstein and Laura Gould > >>> For their tireless energy to guide CPSR through its early years. > >>> > >>> 1992 - Barbara Simons > >>> For her work on human rights, military funding, and the U.C. Berkeley > reentry program for women. > >>> > >>> 1993 - Institute for Global Communication > >>> For using network technology to empower previously disenfranchised > individuals and groups working for progressive change. > >>> > >>> 1994 - Antonia Stone > >>> For her work in founding the Playing To Win organization, which has > brought computer skills to many people who have long been technologically > disadvantaged. > >>> > >>> 1995 - Tom Grundner > >>> For his pioneering work in establishing the Free Net movement, which > has provided access to network technology to entire communities who would > otherwise be unrepresented. > >>> > >>> 1996 - Phil Zimmermann > >>> Inventor of Pretty Good Privacy (PGP). PGP allows the average person > to encode his or her email. Previously, only governments or large > corporations could make their email secure. > >>> > >>> 1997 - Peter Neumann > >>> Editor of the RISKS Digest, for his outstanding contributions to the > field of Risk and Reliability in Computer Science. Read his Notes on > Receiving CPSR's Norbert Wiener Award > >>> > >>> 1998 - The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) > >>> A large open international community of individuals, engaged in the > development of new Internet standard specifications, for its tremendously > positive technical and other contributions to the evolution and smooth > operation of the Internet. > >>> > >>> 1999 - The Free Software & Open Source Movements > >>> This movement profoundly challenges the belief that market mechanisms > are always best-suited for unleashing technological innovation. This > voluntary and collaborative model for software development is providing a > true alternative to proprietary, closed software. > >>> > >>> 2000 - Marc Rotenberg > >>> For his ongoing efforts through CPSR and the Electronic Privacy > Information Center to protect the loss of public's privacy through > technological innovation. > >>> > >>> 2001 - Nira Schwartz and Theodore Postol > >>> For their courageous efforts to disclose misinformation and falsified > test results of the proposed National Missile Defense system. > >>> > >>> 2002 - Karl Auerbach > >>> For pioneering democratic Internet governance. > >>> > >>> 2003 - Mitch Kapor > >>> For being a role model for anyone seeking to succeed in the cut-throat > world of high tech business without sacrificing integrity and conscience. > >>> > >>> 2004 - Barry Steinhardt > >>> For being a prominent advocate for privacy and other civil liberties > in the face of technologically-oriented threats. > >>> > >>> 2005 - Douglas Engelbart > >>> For being a pioneer of human-computer interface technology, inventor > of the mouse, and social-impact visionary. > >>> > >>> 2008 - Bruce Schneier > >>> For his technical achievements and passionate advocacy for privacy, > security, and civil liberties. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Douglas Schuler > >>> douglas at publicsphereproject.org > >> > >> Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please check it if you have submitted and make sure yours is there. If not, contact the Secretariat, please. izumi --------------- The Secretariat received 146 workshop proposals. They can be viewed on the IGF website at: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/view-proposals We kindly ask that workshop proponents check to see that all their submitted proposals are listed on this page and inform us by 3 pm Thursday 9 May, Geneva time (UTC+2). If it is not they should include the date and time they think they did submit the proposal (i.e. press the submit button) and also the confirmation email if they received one. This is just a check to make sure no claims will be made after the assessment process begins. I would be grateful if you could please inform your respective constituents. The Secretariat will then sent out the assent link information on Friday. best regards Chengetai -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And no end of hole in the wall auberges .. --srs (iPad) On 09-May-2013, at 6:43, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 08/05/2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: > >> In years past it was the practice before the May meetings to ask who is going to be in Geneva when, try to organize a caucus or CS meeting, maybe do a joint statement about something, and so on. Is anything along these lines contemplated for this year? We have stuff going on over a four week period: > > I'm only going to be able to make it for the first week (Geneva is so expensive!), but would be glad to get together with some other caucus folk while I'm there. Regarding a joint statement, the Best Bits group is putting one together for the WTPF, and I would support the caucus issuing one for the IGF open consultations and MAG meeting as has already been discussed, focusing on the implementation of the recommendations on IGF improvements. > >> *I was just looking at the documentation for the ITU's WTPF 14 to 16 May and note that there's only one civil society submission (from D. Brown, A. Doria, N. Nwakanma, M. Shears) and the ISOC submission. Probably the caucus would be unable to reach consensus on something related to Draft Opinion 6: on supporting operationalizing the enhanced cooperation process. But one would have thought that some comment on Draft Opinion 5: Supporting Multi-stakeholderism in Internet Governance might have been possible…. > > You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but the ITU has refused to receive it. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu May 9 03:05:46 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 19:05:46 +1200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: WSIS Forum 2013 Remote Participation Training-thursday 2nd May References: Message-ID: Apologies for cross posting. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: "Purcell, Fuatai" > Date: May 9, 2013, 2:10:25 PM GMT+12:00 > To: "Aslam (aslam at pirrc.org)" , "Prasad, Reshmi" , "'pita at connect.com.fj'" , Laeimau Oketevi Tanuvasa , "Douglas Creevey (dcreevey at blueskysamoa.com)" , Christian Fruean , "Ronnie Aiolupotea (ronnie.aiolupotea at mcit.gov.ws)" , "Jolden J. Johnnyboy [transcom at mail.fm]" , John Crook , John Crook , "Teakai Tune (teakai.tune at mcttd.gov.ki)" , 'Francis Lomo' , "'kora_nou at pm.gov.pg'" , "'Tepau Paape [paapets at yahoo.com.au]'" , "'Tepaukie Sotaga [tsotaga at gov.tv]'" , 'Mark Deorio' , "'Feleti Tu'ihalamaka [ftuihalamaka at mic.gov.to]'" , "'criden.appi at naurugov.nr [criden.appi at naurugov.nr]'" , 'Shivnesh Prasad' , "'Shivnesh R. Prasad [sprasad016 at govnet.gov.fj]'" , "pua at pmoffice.gov.ck" , tuli heka , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com]" , "Sharon Aiafi (sharon at mfat.gov.ws)" , 'Nina Hekau' , "zinnia.dawidi.iduhu at hotmail.com" , "Phil Philippo" , "'blanche_vitata at justice.gov.pg'" , "Ian G Mileng (mileng at nicta.gov.pg)" , "Ian Thomson (ithomson.nz at gmail.com)" , "'osimati at gov.tv'" , "'Tanielu D. Aiafi'" , 'Tanielu Aiafi' , "Lizzie Marguerite Taura" , "'Lloyd Fikiasi (lloydfikiasi at trr.vu)'" , "'Ronald Box [ronbox47 at gmail.com]'" , 'Ronald Box' , "'marianneberukilukilu at trr.vu'" , "ronaldbox at trr.vu" > Cc: "Scott Hook [scotth at forumsec.org.fj]" , "lindak at forumsec.org.fj" > Subject: FW: WSIS Forum 2013 Remote Participation Training-thursday 2nd May > > Dear Friends, > It was great to see most of you all last month in Samoa but I had so little time to spend with you but I do hope you enjoyed your time in Samoa and learnt heaps. I only wished I could have stayed the whole week. Today, I just got back home as I went directly to Turin Italy for another meeting – while its great to be home, I miss Samoa and the Pacific much. > > Please see email below if you wish to participate at the training session for remote participation to the WSIS follow conference next week. I am organizing 2 sessions. One is for emergency communications 9-11am on Tuesday 14 March and another one for e-waste 12-16pm same day. The link below is the agenda for the whole week. You pick and choose the topic you want to attend remotely. > > My apologies for cross posting! Can someone post the email below to picisoc? And share also with those whom you wish to participate remotely as there are so many topics and so many speakers – we may learn a thing or two. > > I am planning a pre-conference for SIDS next year in Sept 2014 for the Third conference of SID to be held in Samoa. If you are interested in attending please do send me the key issues as small islands that you wish to include in the this pre-event, also if you wish your Minister to be a speaker etc. and whether you wish to have a session during the pre-event. > > Take care and do not hesitate to contact me should you need anything else that is ITU related. > > Regards > Gisa > > Mrs. Gisa Fuatai Purcell > Head, LSE Division > BDT / PKM > e-mail : Fuatai.Purcell at itu.int > Phone : +41 22 730 6132 > > International Telecommunication Union > Place des Nations > CH-1211 Geneva 20 > Switzerland > Telephone : +41 22 730 5111 > Telefax GR3 : +41 22 733 7256 > GR4 : +41 22 730 6500 > itumail at itu.int > Web : www.itu.int > > > > From: ALTHAHER, Mohammad > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:01 PM > To: Remote Participation, ITU > Cc: Sah, Gitanjali; Ponder, Jaroslaw > Subject: RE: WSIS Forum 2013 Remote Participation Training-thursday 2nd May > > Dear WSIS Forum 2013 Workshop Organziers, > > Thank you for attending the training session on Remote Participation that took place on “Thursday 2 May, 2013”. Following the increasing demand for another information session, it is our pleasure to invite those who couldn’t make it to join the last training session before the Forum. This will also be an online session and we strongly advise you to attend and invite anyone who might be involved or interested in the Forum. > > Where? Click: http://itu.adobeconnect.com/rpduringwsis2013 and enter as a guest. > When? Thursday 9 May, 2013, at 15:00 (Geneva time) > > Please feel free to forward this invitation to your remote panelists so they are familiar with the necessary requirements. > > Warmest regards, > > > > Mohammad Althaher > Remote Participation Coordinator, Conference Technology Support Division > SG / IS / CTSD > e-mail : mohammad.althaher at itu.int > Phone : +41 22 730 5519 > Mobile : +41 79 8086062 > > International Telecommunication Union > Place des Nations > CH-1211 Geneva 20 > Switzerland > Telephone : +41 22 730 5111 > Telefax GR3 : +41 22 733 7256 > GR4 : +41 22 730 6500 > itumail at itu.int > Web : www.itu.int > > From: Sah, Gitanjali > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:13 PM > To: Sah, Gitanjali > Cc: Garcia Aliaga, Marta; ALTHAHER, Mohammad > Subject: WSIS Forum 2013 Remote Participation Training-thursday 2nd May > > Dear WSIS Forum 2013 Workshop Organizers, > > Please note that since remote participation is an integral component of the WSIS Forum 2013, we will be having a Remote Participation training session for all the Organizers. > > This will allow you to facilitate remote participation during your sessions. Please confirm your participation and in case you have any remote panelists during your session please inform Remote Participation Team from the ITU at remote.participation at itu.int. > > Please find below instructions : > > Dear Workshop Organisers, > > It’s a pleasure for us to invite you to the informational session on Remote Participation during the WSIS Forum 2013 hosted by the Remote Participation Team. We strongly advise you to attend this online based meeting since e-Participation is one of ITU’s main features. > > > When? > - Thursday 2nd May, 10am (Geneva Time); > - Thursday 2nd May, 3pm (Geneva Time). > > Where? > - The link to the meeting room is the following: http://itu.adobeconnect.com/rpduringwsis2013 > - Please enter the meeting room as a guest indicating your name, last name and entity in brackets (as in the example below). > > > > > Don’t hesitate to contact us under remote.participation at itu.int if you have any further queries. > > With many thanks, > > Remote Participation Team > SG / IS / CTS > e-mail : remote.participation at itu.int > > International Telecommunication Union > Place des Nations > CH-1211 Geneva 20 > Switzerland > > > > > Gitanjali SAH > Policy Analyst, World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) > International Telecommunication Union > Place des Nations > 1211 Geneva 20 > Switzerland > Mob: +41 79 808 6076 > Tel.: + 41 22 730 6240 > Fax.: + 41 22 730 6453 > E-mail: Gitanjali.Sah at itu.int > Web: http://www.itu.int > http://www.wsis.org > http://www.wsis.org/forum > http://www.wsis.org/stocktaking > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 9 May 2013, at 03:46, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Expensive even if you stay across the border in ferney? Prices there seem to be a fraction of what they are in gva proper. And no end of hole in the wall auberges .. > > --srs (iPad) > > On 09-May-2013, at 6:43, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > >> On 08/05/2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: >> >>> In years past it was the practice before the May meetings to ask who is going to be in Geneva when, try to organize a caucus or CS meeting, maybe do a joint statement about something, and so on. Is anything along these lines contemplated for this year? We have stuff going on over a four week period: >> >> I'm only going to be able to make it for the first week (Geneva is so expensive!), but would be glad to get together with some other caucus folk while I'm there. Regarding a joint statement, the Best Bits group is putting one together for the WTPF, and I would support the caucus issuing one for the IGF open consultations and MAG meeting as has already been discussed, focusing on the implementation of the recommendations on IGF improvements. >> >>> *I was just looking at the documentation for the ITU's WTPF 14 to 16 May and note that there's only one civil society submission (from D. Brown, A. Doria, N. Nwakanma, M. Shears) and the ISOC submission. Probably the caucus would be unable to reach consensus on something related to Draft Opinion 6: on supporting operationalizing the enhanced cooperation process. But one would have thought that some comment on Draft Opinion 5: Supporting Multi-stakeholderism in Internet Governance might have been possible…. >> >> You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but the ITU has refused to receive it. >> >> -- >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Senior Policy Officer >> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers >> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> >> WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 >> >> >> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu May 9 03:21:49 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:21:49 -0700 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: <0000013e881db27d-2150240d-9ad2-45d4-b8dc-d0382186fca1-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> <100FCE8B-C56E-4B64-9097-B502BAF9C9C7@ciroap.org> <0000013e881db27d-2150240d-9ad2-45d4-b8dc-d0382186fca1-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <20130509072149.GB1878@hserus.net> Nick Ashton-Hart [09/05/13 07:07 +0000]: >There is also Lausanne - 40 minutes by train, with trains very often into >the night and from early morning - and also much less expensive than GVA. except on weekends :) lausanne is beautiful though. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu May 9 03:23:12 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 16:23:12 +0900 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: <0000013e881db27d-2150240d-9ad2-45d4-b8dc-d0382186fca1-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> <100FCE8B-C56E-4B64-9097-B502BAF9C9C7@ciroap.org> <0000013e881db27d-2150240d-9ad2-45d4-b8dc-d0382186fca1-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: During the busiest weeks there are few cities more expensive than Geneva. Can pick up a room in a village like Annecy, but for Geneva itself many hundreds if $$$. Terrible city for meetings. Very expensive and food as well. Adam On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > There is also Lausanne - 40 minutes by train, with trains very often into > the night and from early morning - and also much less expensive than GVA. > > On 9 May 2013, at 03:46, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > Expensive even if you stay across the border in ferney? Prices there seem > to be a fraction of what they are in gva proper. And no end of hole in the > wall auberges .. > > --srs (iPad) > > On 09-May-2013, at 6:43, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 08/05/2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: > > In years past it was the practice before the May meetings to ask who is > going to be in Geneva when, try to organize a caucus or CS meeting, maybe do > a joint statement about something, and so on. Is anything along these lines > contemplated for this year? We have stuff going on over a four week period: > > > I'm only going to be able to make it for the first week (Geneva is so > expensive!), but would be glad to get together with some other caucus folk > while I'm there. Regarding a joint statement, the Best Bits group is > putting one together for the WTPF, and I would support the caucus issuing > one for the IGF open consultations and MAG meeting as has already been > discussed, focusing on the implementation of the recommendations on IGF > improvements. > > *I was just looking at the documentation for the ITU's WTPF 14 to 16 May and > note that there's only one civil society submission (from D. Brown, A. > Doria, N. Nwakanma, M. Shears) and the ISOC submission. Probably the caucus > would be unable to reach consensus on something related to Draft Opinion 6: > on supporting operationalizing the enhanced cooperation process. But one > would have thought that some comment on Draft Opinion 5: Supporting > Multi-stakeholderism in Internet Governance might have been possible…. > > > You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil > society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society > submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement > is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). > I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at > http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but > the ITU has refused to receive it. > > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > > WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: > https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 > > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu May 9 03:39:30 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:09:30 +0530 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: References: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> <100FCE8B-C56E-4B64-9097-B502BAF9C9C7@ciroap.org> <0000013e881db27d-2150240d-9ad2-45d4-b8dc-d0382186fca1-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <7E4E890B-2348-431D-871D-6A8281BEBC51@hserus.net> Seems to me like if we have a civil society org (isoc? apc?) that can 1. Negotiate a discounted rate with one or two auberges 2. Make these rates available to civil society at large (such as say caucus members) It might be an idea. ITU does have negotiated rates with a wide variety of hotels in GVA and just outside, for hotels ranging from seven star to no-name auberge .. but these usually get filled up in no time at all. Maybe at an alternate location like Lausanne, Annecy etc to make it more feasible. --srs (iPad) On 09-May-2013, at 12:53, Adam Peake wrote: > During the busiest weeks there are few cities more expensive than > Geneva. Can pick up a room in a village like Annecy, but for Geneva > itself many hundreds if $$$. Terrible city for meetings. Very > expensive and food as well. > > Adam > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: >> There is also Lausanne - 40 minutes by train, with trains very often into >> the night and from early morning - and also much less expensive than GVA. >> >> On 9 May 2013, at 03:46, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> >> Expensive even if you stay across the border in ferney? Prices there seem >> to be a fraction of what they are in gva proper. And no end of hole in the >> wall auberges .. >> >> --srs (iPad) >> >> On 09-May-2013, at 6:43, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> >> On 08/05/2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: >> >> In years past it was the practice before the May meetings to ask who is >> going to be in Geneva when, try to organize a caucus or CS meeting, maybe do >> a joint statement about something, and so on. Is anything along these lines >> contemplated for this year? We have stuff going on over a four week period: >> >> >> I'm only going to be able to make it for the first week (Geneva is so >> expensive!), but would be glad to get together with some other caucus folk >> while I'm there. Regarding a joint statement, the Best Bits group is >> putting one together for the WTPF, and I would support the caucus issuing >> one for the IGF open consultations and MAG meeting as has already been >> discussed, focusing on the implementation of the recommendations on IGF >> improvements. >> >> *I was just looking at the documentation for the ITU's WTPF 14 to 16 May and >> note that there's only one civil society submission (from D. Brown, A. >> Doria, N. Nwakanma, M. Shears) and the ISOC submission. Probably the caucus >> would be unable to reach consensus on something related to Draft Opinion 6: >> on supporting operationalizing the enhanced cooperation process. But one >> would have thought that some comment on Draft Opinion 5: Supporting >> Multi-stakeholderism in Internet Governance might have been possible…. >> >> >> You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil >> society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society >> submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement >> is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). >> I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at >> http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but >> the ITU has refused to receive it. >> >> -- >> >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Senior Policy Officer >> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers >> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> >> WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: >> https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 >> >> >> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | >> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >> necessary. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nashton at consensus.pro Thu May 9 04:40:22 2013 From: nashton at consensus.pro (Nick Ashton-Hart) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:40:22 +0000 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: <20130509072149.GB1878@hserus.net> References: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> <100FCE8B-C56E-4B64-9097-B502BAF9C9C7@ciroap.org> <0000013e881db27d-2150240d-9ad2-45d4-b8dc-d0382186fca1-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20130509072149.GB1878@hserus.net> Message-ID: <0000013e8872c229-31cdd92d-2d56-448f-8989-9bd36583a33e-000000@email.amazonses.com> Pretty frequently on weekends too really - we don't live in Geneva, and travel back and forth all the time for meetings etc as a result. It has never been a problem, even when I've come back from dinners after 11 at night. On 9 May 2013, at 09:21, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Nick Ashton-Hart [09/05/13 07:07 +0000]: >> There is also Lausanne - 40 minutes by train, with trains very often into >> the night and from early morning - and also much less expensive than GVA. > > except on weekends :) > > lausanne is beautiful though. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nne75 at yahoo.com Thu May 9 05:12:54 2013 From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 02:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGF information Message-ID: <1368090774.11415.YahooMailNeo@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dear all, 1. For WTPF, I cannot say how many International Expert Group - IEG-  members wll be physically present, eother as members of delegation or as stand alone experts.  I will suggest we still have CS meet-ups.  2. It is possible to request a venue via a delegation, this is what we did at WCIT but to do this, individuals with CS background need to start work before arrival... not just on logistics, but on the content and outcome of the meeting. 3. I think Lea Kasper, Avri Doria, and Deborah Brown are confirmed from IEG.  Could others join forces for a better CS "Principles" representation? 4. I will not be physically present but will be online on Skype (there is a stand by CS chat that goes on concurrently) and the official remote participation channel 5. For those who are interested in what is happening in Africa,  June 18 is Nigeria IGF. July 3 - 5 is West Africa IGF in Abidjan, my home city. July 26 is Kenya IGF. September 11 - 13 is Second Africa IGF, hosted by Government of Kenya and the Kenya ISOC. Best regards Nnenna   Nnenna  Nwakanma |  Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG  |  Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax  224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Thu May 9 05:16:33 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (william.drake at uzh.ch) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:16:33 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: Geneva Message-ID: Hi On May 9, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Adam Peake wrote: During the busiest weeks there are few cities more expensive than Geneva. Can pick up a room in a village like Annecy, but for Geneva itself many hundreds if $$$.  Terrible city for meetings.  Very expensive and food as well. I'm just back from the grocery store so I can't argue.  But it's ok for governments that have Missions here, and of course that's what matters in a UN context…And per Nick and Suresh, there are some cost-cutting options like not staying in the center of town. On 09-May-2013, at 6:43, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: On 08/05/2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: I'm only going to be able to make it for the first week (Geneva is so expensive!), but would be glad to get together with some other caucus folk while I'm there.  Regarding a joint statement, the Best Bits group is putting one together for the WTPF, Sure, but the more the merrier.  ITU staff and members have often cited the scarce responses in the few cases when they did do public comments as evidence that there's no real demand/need to  open up to civil society etc.  And a priori, one might think the caucus would want to respond to an intergovernmental statement on the conduct of multistakeholderism in Internet governance… BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, or just organizations with paid staff? and I would support the caucus issuing one for the IGF open consultations and MAG meeting as has already been discussed, focusing on the implementation of the recommendations on IGF improvements. Not so much momentum there.  But IGC has no updated views on the conduct of the preparations and program for Bali?  The preliminary proposal process, the proposal to significantly reduce the number of workshops beyond what IGC recommended in February, MAG renewal, etc? You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society submissions?  The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but the ITU has refused to receive it. 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I will be there from Monday to Friday as IEG Member. I will ask the German delegation (or EU) t help with a meeting room so that we can continue the "Dubai procedure". For me it is unclear whether non-sector members (including IEG members) have a right to speak. Anyhow, we should try to push that the "Deborah and Friends Paper" (DAFP) becomes part of the negotiations for the final version of the opinions. And thanks for the update for IGFs in Africa. The European IGF EURODIG is scheduled for June 29/21 in Lisbon/Portugal. wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Nnenna Gesendet: Do 09.05.2013 11:12 An: IG Caucus Betreff: [governance] IGF information Dear all, 1. For WTPF, I cannot say how many International Expert Group - IEG- members wll be physically present, eother as members of delegation or as stand alone experts. I will suggest we still have CS meet-ups. 2. It is possible to request a venue via a delegation, this is what we did at WCIT but to do this, individuals with CS background need to start work before arrival... not just on logistics, but on the content and outcome of the meeting. 3. I think Lea Kasper, Avri Doria, and Deborah Brown are confirmed from IEG. Could others join forces for a better CS "Principles" representation? 4. I will not be physically present but will be online on Skype (there is a stand by CS chat that goes on concurrently) and the official remote participation channel 5. For those who are interested in what is happening in Africa, June 18 is Nigeria IGF. July 3 - 5 is West Africa IGF in Abidjan, my home city. July 26 is Kenya IGF. September 11 - 13 is Second Africa IGF, hosted by Government of Kenya and the Kenya ISOC. Best regards Nnenna Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG | Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joana at varonferraz.com Thu May 9 05:46:36 2013 From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 06:46:36 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGF information In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331985@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <1368090774.11415.YahooMailNeo@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331985@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Hi Nnenna, I agree with all the suggestions on your email. I'm register to participate at WSIS/WTPF, but I'm not part of the International Expert Group. And I will be glad to be posting feedbacks and exchanging ideas on a CS skype chat just like we managed during WCIT. best joana On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:36 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote: > Thanks Nnenna for pushing this further forward. > > I will be there from Monday to Friday as IEG Member. I will ask the German > delegation (or EU) t help with a meeting room so that we can continue the > "Dubai procedure". For me it is unclear whether non-sector members > (including IEG members) have a right to speak. Anyhow, we should try to > push that the "Deborah and Friends Paper" (DAFP) becomes part of the > negotiations for the final version of the opinions. > > And thanks for the update for IGFs in Africa. The European IGF EURODIG is > scheduled for June 29/21 in Lisbon/Portugal. > > wolfgang > > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Nnenna > Gesendet: Do 09.05.2013 11:12 > An: IG Caucus > Betreff: [governance] IGF information > > > Dear all, > > > 1. For WTPF, I cannot say how many International Expert Group - IEG- > members wll be physically present, eother as members of delegation or as > stand alone experts. I will suggest we still have CS meet-ups. > > 2. It is possible to request a venue via a delegation, this is what > we did at WCIT but to do this, individuals with CS background need to start > work before arrival... not just on logistics, but on the content and > outcome of the meeting. > 3. I think Lea Kasper, Avri Doria, and Deborah Brown are confirmed > from IEG. Could others join forces for a better CS "Principles" > representation? > 4. I will not be physically present but will be online on Skype > (there is a stand by CS chat that goes on concurrently) and the official > remote participation channel > 5. For those who are interested in what is happening in Africa, June > 18 is Nigeria IGF. July 3 - 5 is West Africa IGF in Abidjan, my home city. > July 26 is Kenya IGF. September 11 - 13 is Second Africa IGF, hosted by > Government of Kenya and the Kenya ISOC. > > Best regards > > Nnenna > > > > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG | Consultants > Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development > Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 > Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org > nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- -- Joana Varon Ferraz Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade (CTS-FGV) @joana_varon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regarding a joint statement, the Best Bits group is >>> putting one together for the WTPF, > > Sure, but the more the merrier. ITU staff and members have often > cited the scarce responses in the few cases when they did do public > comments as evidence that there's no real demand/need to open up to > civil society etc. And a priori, one might think the caucus would > want to respond to an intergovernmental statement on the conduct of > multistakeholderism in Internet governance… > > BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, or > just organizations with paid staff? Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. >>> You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only >>> one civil >>> society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society >>> submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears >>> statement >>> is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts >>> Group (IEG). >>> I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at >>> http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), >>> but >>> the ITU has refused to receive it. > > Yes, and one would think this is precisely the sort of thing that > civil society could usefully make some noise about. There are other > avenues than official submissions. But if it's no longer possible to > things like make statements, organize meetings, etc., ok... Yeah, the BB statement is actually focussed on this issue of transparency and inclusion. The IEG and CI statements are more about the substantive issues. In the absence of an official channel for statements, I'm just going to be wandering around the ITU with a sheaf of papers, looking for delegates to hand them to. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ce forum de 3 jours se déroulera vers la fin du mois de septembre. Les dates de l’évènement seront communiquées avant la fin du mois de mai. Juste avant le forum sous régional, la RDC organisera son forum national sur la gouvernance de l’Internet. Le comité d’organisation de ces évènements est placé sous l’autorité du Ministère des Postes, Télécommunications et Nouvelle Technologie de l’Information et de la Communication (PTNTIC). Hello everyone, The Democratic Republic of Congo will host third edition of IGF sub-regional forum of Central Africa in July 2013. This 3-day forum will be held in late September. The dates of the event will be announced before the end of May. Just before the sub-regional forum, the DRC will hold its National Forum on Internet Governance. The organizing committee of the event is placed under the authority of the Ministry of Posts, Telecommunications and New Information Technology and Communication SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN Téléphone mobile:+243998983491 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr Site Web : www.ticafrica.net Le 7 mai 2013 13:01, a écrit : > Send AfriCS-IG mailing list submissions to > africs-ig at lists.apc.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > africs-ig-request at lists.apc.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > africs-ig-owner at lists.apc.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AfriCS-IG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: AfriCS-IG Digest, Vol 8, Issue 3 (Kossi Amessinou) > 2. Re: Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan > (Dora Sende (COLLECTIF DES FEMMES POUR LA PROTECTION DE > L'ENVIRONNEMENT ET DE L'ENFANT) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 16:26:11 +0100 > From: Kossi Amessinou > To: africs-ig at lists.apc.org > Subject: Re: [africs-ig] AfriCS-IG Digest, Vol 8, Issue 3 > Message-ID: > < > CAHOT-HX_5GbJxO0e8_bSKYn_cCF+F6C3Yq5yA4dqJRidnOD7Vw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Bonsoir ? tous, > Je heureux pour ce message confortable pour l'organisation du WAIGF > 2013. Je suis en parfaite communion avec tous les coll?gues de l'IGF ? > Abidjan. > On reste en contact pour la suite! > > 2013/5/4, africs-ig-request at lists.apc.org >: > > Send AfriCS-IG mailing list submissions to > > africs-ig at lists.apc.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > africs-ig-request at lists.apc.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > africs-ig-owner at lists.apc.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of AfriCS-IG digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan (Mireille HOUNDJI) > > 2. Re: Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan (Pierre Chekem) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:41:48 +0000 (GMT) > > From: Mireille HOUNDJI > > To: africs-ig at lists.apc.org > > Cc: nnenna at nnenna.org, djekou at atci.ci > > Subject: [africs-ig] Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan > > Message-ID: <437955127.268.1367577708904.JavaMail.root at igici.ci> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > > [English Version below] > > > > La C?te d?Ivoire abritera le 6?me Forum Ouest Africain sur la > Gouvernance de > > l?Internet (AfIGF) > > > > Chers Acteurs, > > > > J?ai le plaisir de vous annoncer que le 6? Forum Ouest Africain sur la > > Gouvernance de l?Internet se tiendra ? Abidjan en C?te d?Ivoire du 3 au 5 > > Juillet 2013. > > La rencontre sera co-organis?e par l?ATCI (Agence des T?l?communications > de > > C?te d?Ivoire) et IGICI (Initiatives pour la Gouvernance de l?Internet en > > C?te d?Ivoire) en partenariat avec la communaut? locale de l'Internet. > Pour > > cette ?dition, le th?me retenu est : ? Gouvernance de l?Internet au > service > > de la paix : Une responsabilit? partag?e des parties prenantes ?. > > > > Chers Acteurs de l'Internet, vous ?tes tous convi?s ? participer ? WAIGF > > Abidjan 2013. > > > > Mireille HOUNDJI > > Coordonnatrice des Projets IGICI > > http://www.igici.ci > > (00225) 20344742 > > (00225) 06053931 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > C?te d'Ivoire to host the 6th West African Forum on Internet Governance > > (AfIGF) > > > > Dear Stakeholders, > > > > I am pleased to announce that the 6th West Africa Forum Internet > Governance > > (WAIGF) will be held in Abidjan, C?te d'Ivoire from 3 to 5 July 2013. > > The meeting will be co-organized by ATCI (Telecommunications Agency of > C?te > > d'Ivoire) and IGICI (Initiatives for Internet Governance in C?te > d'Ivoire) > > in partnership with the Internet local community. For this edition, the > > theme is: "Internet Governance For Peace: A Shared Responsibility of > > Multi-stakeholder partnerships" > > > > Dear Internet Stakeholders, you are all invited to take part in Abidjan > > WAIGF 2013. > > > > Mireille HOUNDJI > > Project Manager IGICI > > http://www.igici.ci > > (00225) 20344742 > > (00225) 06053931 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 21:38:35 +0100 (BST) > > From: Pierre Chekem > > To: AfriCS-IG > > Cc: nnenna at nnenna.org, djekou at atci.ci > > Subject: Re: [africs-ig] Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan > > Message-ID: > > <1367613515.50523.YahooMailClassic at web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Merci pour l'information. > > > > C'est une bonne nouvelle pour les acteurs du secteur en Afrique. > > > > Nous prions Nnenna d'informer les organisations de la Soci?t? civile sur > le > > meilleur > > moyen d'y contribuer. > > > > Bonne journ?e. > > > > Pierre Chekem > > Partnership Coordo > > tel(237) 77 77 99 62 > > www.partnershipcameroon.org > > > > ============================================== > > > > --- On Fri, 3/5/13, Mireille HOUNDJI wrote: > > > > From: Mireille HOUNDJI > > Subject: [africs-ig] Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan > > To: africs-ig at lists.apc.org > > Cc: nnenna at nnenna.org, djekou at atci.ci > > Date: Friday, 3 May, 2013, 13:41 > > > > > > [English Version below] > > > > La C?te d?Ivoire abritera le 6?me Forum Ouest Africain sur la > Gouvernance de > > l?Internet (AfIGF) > > > > Chers Acteurs, > > > > J?ai le plaisir de vous annoncer que le 6? Forum Ouest Africain sur la > > Gouvernance de l?Internet se tiendra ? Abidjan en C?te d?Ivoire du 3 au 5 > > Juillet 2013. > > La rencontre sera co-organis?e par l?ATCI (Agence des T?l?communications > de > > C?te d?Ivoire) et IGICI (Initiatives pour la Gouvernance de l?Internet en > > C?te d?Ivoire) en partenariat avec la communaut? locale de l'Internet. > Pour > > cette ?dition, le th?me retenu est : ? Gouvernance de l?Internet au > service > > de la paix : Une responsabilit? partag?e des parties prenantes ?. > > > > Chers Acteurs de l'Internet, vous ?tes tous convi?s ? participer ? WAIGF > > Abidjan 2013. > > > > Mireille HOUNDJI > > Coordonnatrice des Projets IGICI > > http://www.igici.ci > > (00225) 20344742 > > (00225) 06053931 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > C?te d'Ivoire to host the 6th West African Forum on Internet Governance > > (AfIGF) > > > > Dear Stakeholders, > > > > I am pleased to announce that the 6th West Africa Forum Internet > Governance > > (WAIGF) will be held in Abidjan, C?te d'Ivoire from 3 to 5 July 2013. > > The meeting will be co-organized by ATCI (Telecommunications Agency of > C?te > > d'Ivoire) and IGICI (Initiatives for Internet Governance in C?te > d'Ivoire) > > in partnership with the Internet local community. For this edition, the > > theme is: "Internet Governance For Peace: A Shared Responsibility of > > Multi-stakeholder partnerships" > > > > Dear Internet Stakeholders, you are all invited to take part in Abidjan > > WAIGF 2013. > > > > Mireille HOUNDJI > > Project Manager IGICI > > http://www.igici.ci > > (00225) 20344742 > > (00225) 06053931 > > _______________________________________________ > > AfriCS-IG mailing list > > Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig > > To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe at lists.apc.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > < > http://lists.apc.org/mailman/private/africs-ig/attachments/20130503/1d1e523a/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AfriCS-IG mailing list > > Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig > > To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe at lists.apc.org > > > > > > End of AfriCS-IG Digest, Vol 8, Issue 3 > > *************************************** > > > > > -- > AMESSINOU Kossi > Ing?nieur des TIC > ICT Engineer > Contact: 00229 95 19 67 02 > skype: amessinou > @amessinou @bigf > Que Dieu vous b?nisse > Je suis un serviteur de celui qui est, qui ?tait et qui vient, pour la > gloire de notre DIEU au milieu des HOMMES. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 03:56:01 +0100 (BST) > From: "Dora Sende \(COLLECTIF DES FEMMES POUR LA PROTECTION DE > L'ENVIRONNEMENT ET DE L'ENFANT" > To: AfriCS-IG > Subject: Re: [africs-ig] Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan > Message-ID: > <1367895361.80719.YahooMailClassic at web171803.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bonjour tous,Merci pour cette importante information qui permet aux autres > pays de s'inspirer pour l'organisation de leur forum. Cependant Mireille, > donne nous toutes les informations possible permettant aux acteurs des > autres pays d'y assister, toutes les formalit?s possible ? faire. > > > COLLECTIF DES FEMMES POUR LA PROTECTION > DE L'ENVIRONNEMENT ET DE L'ENFANT (COFEPRE) > 159,IMPASSE DES AVOCATS,RUE 172 > POBOX 462 > DOUALA/CAMEROUN > TEL FIXE 23733426381/33161920 > MOBILE 23799929240 > E-mail : cofepre at yahoo.fr > www.facebook.com/COFEPRE > DORA SENDE > PRESIDENTE > ASSOCIATIVEMENT VOTRE > > > > --- En date de?: Lun 6.5.13, Mawaki Chango a ?crit?: > > De: Mawaki Chango > Objet: Re: [africs-ig] Fwd: West Africa IGF 2013 in Abidjan > ?: "AfriCS-IG" > Date: Lundi 6 mai 2013, 12h07 > > Mireille, > > Merci pour l'information. Priere de nous tenir inform?s ? mesure ques > les pr?paratifs avancent, en particulier sur les mesure en place pour > la participation des pays de la sous r?gion. > > Cordialement, > > Mawaki > > On 5/3/13, Mireille HOUNDJI wrote: > > > > [English Version below] > > > > La C?te d?Ivoire abritera le 6?me Forum Ouest Africain sur la > Gouvernance de > > l?Internet (AfIGF) > > > > Chers Acteurs, > > > > J?ai le plaisir de vous annoncer que le 6? Forum Ouest Africain sur la > > Gouvernance de l?Internet se tiendra ? Abidjan en C?te d?Ivoire du 3 au 5 > > Juillet 2013. > > La rencontre sera co-organis?e par l?ATCI (Agence des T?l?communications > de > > C?te d?Ivoire) et IGICI (Initiatives pour la Gouvernance de l?Internet en > > C?te d?Ivoire) en partenariat avec la communaut? locale de l'Internet. > Pour > > cette ?dition, le th?me retenu est : ? Gouvernance de l?Internet au > service > > de la paix : Une responsabilit? partag?e des parties prenantes ?. > > > > Chers Acteurs de l'Internet, vous ?tes tous convi?s ? participer ? WAIGF > > Abidjan 2013. > > > > Mireille HOUNDJI > > Coordonnatrice des Projets IGICI > > http://www.igici.ci > > (00225) 20344742 > > (00225) 06053931 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > C?te d'Ivoire to host the 6th West African Forum on Internet Governance > > (AfIGF) > > > > Dear Stakeholders, > > > > I am pleased to announce that the 6th West Africa Forum Internet > Governance > > (WAIGF) will be held in Abidjan, C?te d'Ivoire from 3 to 5 July 2013. > > The meeting will be co-organized by ATCI (Telecommunications Agency of > C?te > > d'Ivoire) and IGICI (Initiatives for Internet Governance in C?te > d'Ivoire) > > in partnership with the Internet local community. For this edition, the > > theme is: "Internet Governance For Peace: A Shared Responsibility of > > Multi-stakeholder partnerships" > > > > Dear Internet Stakeholders, you are all invited to take part in Abidjan > > WAIGF 2013. > > > > Mireille HOUNDJI > > Project Manager IGICI > > http://www.igici.ci > > (00225) 20344742 > > (00225) 06053931 > > _______________________________________________ > > AfriCS-IG mailing list > > Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig > > To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe at lists.apc.org > > > _______________________________________________ > AfriCS-IG mailing list > Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig > To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe at lists.apc.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.apc.org/mailman/private/africs-ig/attachments/20130507/635ae941/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AfriCS-IG mailing list > Info and options: http://lists.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/africs-ig > To unsubscribe, email africs-ig-unsubscribe at lists.apc.org > > > End of AfriCS-IG Digest, Vol 8, Issue 5 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Thu May 9 10:24:26 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 10:24:26 -0400 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D21B17A-0950-4251-8712-82D723733451@acm.org> Hi, I will be in Geneva 13 May - 1 Jun for WTFP, WSIS+10, IGF and CSTD WGEC Since my office is wherever my laptop and I are, I decided that it was less expensive (dollars and carbon) for me to stay in the Geneva area as opposed to going home for 4 days only to return for another 2 days for WGEC. If there meetings, or whatever that are worth engaging in during the interim week, I will be around. > in February, MAG renewal, etc? >>> >>> You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil >>> society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society >>> submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement >>> is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). >>> I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at >>> http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but >>> the ITU has refused to receive it. > I am curious did anyone who applied from Civil Society for IEG get refused? I have not heard of any but want to make sure. As of now, I beleive the IEG program was an open opportunity - though the ability to speak etc as an IEG is limited. As others have said, though our contribution was published, IEG contributions can only be put forward for discussion by a delegation. Although I was on the IEG, I will be participating as a hybrid civil society type within the US delegation at the WTPF. avri PS. count me in for any group trips to wine festivals on the weekends. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu May 9 10:38:29 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 23:38:29 +0900 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: <5D21B17A-0950-4251-8712-82D723733451@acm.org> References: <5D21B17A-0950-4251-8712-82D723733451@acm.org> Message-ID: Thanks Avri, some comments below: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > I will be in Geneva 13 May - 1 Jun for > WTFP, WSIS+10, IGF and CSTD WGEC > > Since my office is wherever my laptop and I are, I decided that it was less expensive (dollars and carbon) for me to stay in the Geneva area as opposed to going home for 4 days only to return for another 2 days for WGEC. > > If there meetings, or whatever that are worth engaging in during the interim week, I will be around. > >> in February, MAG renewal, etc? >>>> >>>> You're aware though, I presume, that the reason why there is only one civil >>>> society submission is because the ITU is not receiving civil society >>>> submissions? The only reason why the Brown/Doria/Nwakanma/Shears statement >>>> is up there is because they are members of the Informal Experts Group (IEG). >>>> I've written a statement for Consumers International (which is at >>>> http://a2knetwork.org/sites/default/files/wtpf_position_statement.pdf), but >>>> the ITU has refused to receive it. >> > > I am curious did anyone who applied from Civil Society for IEG get refused? I have not heard of any but want to make sure. As of now, I beleive the IEG program was an open opportunity - though the ability to speak etc as an IEG is limited. As others have said, though our contribution was published, IEG contributions can only be put forward for discussion by a delegation. > I thought the IEG began as an invited group with limited slots for stakeholders and then somehow, and somewhat unclearly opened up. Good that it opened up, but not helpful not transparent. Do you know if the IEG contributions have been included (or will be included) in the document packs member state delegates receive? Contributions from non sector members in WCIT were not distributed (there were on the web, but there was no encouragement for delegations to use the contributions.) I'll perhaps see you for one day in Geneva, there for the evening of May 18. Adam > Although I was on the IEG, I will be participating as a hybrid civil society type within the US delegation at the WTPF. > > avri > > PS. count me in for any group trips to wine festivals on the weekends. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Thu May 9 11:13:05 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:13:05 -0400 Subject: [governance] Geneva In-Reply-To: References: <5D21B17A-0950-4251-8712-82D723733451@acm.org> Message-ID: On 9 May 2013, at 10:38, Adam Peake wrote: > Do you know if the IEG contributions have been included (or will be > included) in the document packs member state delegates receive? > Contributions from non sector members in WCIT were not distributed > (there were on the web, but there was no encouragement for delegations > to use the contributions.) > Don't know. They are in a different section of the ITU doc site: Information instead of Official (where member, like governments, ISOC, RIPE, contributions go.) I epxect it will work like WCIT. If the IEGs want their documents read they have to peddle them to the delegations themselves. > I thought the IEG began as an invited group with limited slots for > stakeholders and then somehow, and somewhat unclearly opened up. > Good that it opened up, but not helpful not transparent. No not optimal, only baby steps in the right direction. Fortunately some noise was made about it when it opened up so some were able to apply. working with the ITU and a lot of these other organizations requires keeping careful watch for the opportunities to participate and then self-re-announcing it to civil society as best we can. I am sure I saw this opportunity writen of on the several CS lists including this one, several times. > I'll perhaps see you for one day in Geneva, there for the evening of May 18. will look forward to it. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andersj at elon.edu Thu May 9 11:51:07 2013 From: andersj at elon.edu (Janna Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:51:07 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGF information In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331985@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: All, Imagining the Internet will have a group of young people at WTPF/WSIS in Geneva Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday doing interviews for a video survey we will post here: http://www.imaginingtheinternet.org – you can also see our previous video event coverage and surveys at this site, for instance from IGF-Kenya - http://www.elon.edu/e-web/predictions/igf_2011/default.xhtml The team will consist of students Julie Morse, Ryan Greene, Brian Mezerski and Joe Bruno, led by Elon University faculty member Brian Walsh. They hope to be able to visit with CS representatives as well as other people who will be participating in the events of WTPF and WSIS. They will be asking people five quick questions in order to get a wide range of opinions on access to knowledge and about current and looming issues and challenges and opportunities for the future. We hope you will stop and visit with them. Thank you to all in advance for taking the time to share your insights with these young people! Best regards, Janna -- Janna Quitney Anderson Director, Imagining the Internet Center www.imaginingtheinternet.org Associate Professor Elon University Twitter: @JannaQ https://twitter.com/JANNAQ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jannaanderson Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/janna.anderson On 5/9/13 5:36 AM, ""Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"" > wrote: Thanks Nnenna for pushing this further forward. I will be there from Monday to Friday as IEG Member. I will ask the German delegation (or EU) t help with a meeting room so that we can continue the "Dubai procedure". For me it is unclear whether non-sector members (including IEG members) have a right to speak. Anyhow, we should try to push that the "Deborah and Friends Paper" (DAFP) becomes part of the negotiations for the final version of the opinions. And thanks for the update for IGFs in Africa. The European IGF EURODIG is scheduled for June 29/21 in Lisbon/Portugal. wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Nnenna Gesendet: Do 09.05.2013 11:12 An: IG Caucus Betreff: [governance] IGF information Dear all, 1. For WTPF, I cannot say how many International Expert Group - IEG- members wll be physically present, eother as members of delegation or as stand alone experts. I will suggest we still have CS meet-ups. 2. It is possible to request a venue via a delegation, this is what we did at WCIT but to do this, individuals with CS background need to start work before arrival... not just on logistics, but on the content and outcome of the meeting. 3. I think Lea Kasper, Avri Doria, and Deborah Brown are confirmed from IEG. Could others join forces for a better CS "Principles" representation? 4. I will not be physically present but will be online on Skype (there is a stand by CS chat that goes on concurrently) and the official remote participation channel 5. For those who are interested in what is happening in Africa, June 18 is Nigeria IGF. July 3 - 5 is West Africa IGF in Abidjan, my home city. July 26 is Kenya IGF. September 11 - 13 is Second Africa IGF, hosted by Government of Kenya and the Kenya ISOC. 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Pass it on. avri Begin forwarded message: > From: Avri Doria > Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] ATRT2 Questonnaire > Date: 9 May 2013 21:39:55 EDT > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > Reply-To: Avri Doria > > Hi, > > The ICANN Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT2) Questionnaire - all million questions of it, is now online. > > Questionnaire online https://limesurvey.icann.org/index.php/survey/index/sid/377778/lang/en > the pdf of all questions is: http://www.icann.org/about/aoc-review/atrt/community-questions-02apr13-en.pdf > > All questions are already default answered - "No answer", > So nothing should block anyone from moving around the questionnaire and answering only those things you want to answer. > > The questionnaire will let you save and come back. > But if you let it time out, unsaved answers will be lost. > > As you leave a page by pressing 'next', an index entry will be made that allows you to go back to that page directly. > You will see those on the upper right of screen (I think - that is where they are on my screen)) > > Please - individuals, groups, caucuses, constituencies, stakeholder groups, the public - answer the questions. > > avri > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Thu May 9 22:40:27 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 Subject: [governance] Re: Geneva In-Reply-To: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: >> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, or >> just organizations with paid staff? > > Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either (at > least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression came > across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ Full text is below: We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in particular freedom of expression. We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for civil society to express their views, for example through an online platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables participation by all, including persons with disabilities. Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public interest and fundamental human rights. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Methinks that unless thought is applied to this matter carefully ICANN will simply remake the mess that is cybersquating dispute resolution (which has come a long ways though) ....] Published on Thursday, May 9, 2013 by Common Dreams Corporate Fail: Disney's Attempt to Trademark Cultural Holiday Disney drops efforts to trademark 'Día de los Muertos' following online outrage - Andrea Germanos, staff writer Disney has dropped its effort to trademark 'Día de los Muertos,' a holiday celebrated in Mexico and around the world, following widespread outrage. Cartoon by Lalo Alcaraz/Pocho.com /Fronteras Desk/ reported that Disney filed 10 requests in the U.S. Trademark and Patent Office this month to coin the phrase. Disney's filings are mainly for merchandise, presumably connected to an upcoming film. The areas they are hoping to secure include "education and entertainment services," "fruit preserves; fruit-based snack foods," "toys, games and playthings," "clothing," "footwear," "backpacks," "clocks and jewelry" and more. Online outraged followed the news that the corporation would appropriate and profit from a cultural tradition. A Change.org petition launched following the announcement states: Dia de los Muertos is a religious observance during which Mexican people, and particularly native peoples, in Mexico, the United States, and abroad, honor ancestors and loved ones who have died. This important religious, spiritual, and cultural observance pre-dates the invasion of Mexico by the Spanish. We celebrate these sacred days and honor our deceased loved ones by making altars and placing offerings of food such as pan de muertos baked in shapes of skulls and figures, candles, incense, yellow marigolds known as cempaxochitl, and offering prayers and the smoke of copal. Disney's proposed trademarks would negatively affect the livelihood of bakers, the work of artists and craftspeople, and of writers and educators. Our spiritual traditions are for everyone, not for companies like Walt Disney to trademark and exploit. I am deeply offended and dismayed that a family-oriented company like Walt Disney would seek own the rights to something that is the rightful heritage of the people of Mexico. More reactions from Twitter: But just a week after submitting its trademark requests, Disney said it was dropping those efforts, stating: Disney's trademark filing was intended to protect any potential title for our film and related activities. It has since been determined that the title of the film will change, and therefore we are withdrawing our trademark filing. 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What surprises me is that this is an American... *FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE* May 9, 2013 2:32 PM *CONTACT: Institute for Public Accuracy (IPA) * Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; or David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 Transcribing Bradley Manning’s Trial: Group Tries to Ensure Transparency WASHINGTON - May 9 - TREVOR TIMM, trevor at pressfreedomfoundation.org , @TrevorTimm RAINEY REITMAN, rainey at pressfreedomfoundation.org , @RaineyReitman Timm is co-founder and executive director of the Freedom of the Press Foundation ; Reitman is co-founder and chief operations officer of the organization. The group just released a statement about their campaign to ensure a transcript for the trial of Bradley Manning, scheduled to begin June 3: “As has been documented by many media organizations, the pre-trial hearings of Bradley Manning have been hampered by heavy-handed government secrecy. Government briefs are not released to the public, written rulings are rarely given to journalists, and most importantly, there is no official transcript of the proceedings. This has denied the public of opportunities for a range of accurate, timely, and in-depth reporting on the trial. “The Center for Constitutional Rights filed a First Amendment lawsuit on behalf of a variety of news organizations and journalists seeking timely access to court documents, but the military court of appeals ruled in favor of continued secrecy. “As PBS recounted recently, ‘Because there is no official court record, the public is entirely dependent on the accounts of the reporters on-scene — the few who can fit into the courtroom making notes longhand, or the rest who report from the media center, typing down words and details frantically and hoping they don’t make any mistakes.’ “This campaign aims to fully fund a court stenographer, who will be credentialed with a media organization and attend the trial in the court’s media room. The court stenographer will produce a transcript of the trial, and as soon as the transcripts are available, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will post them online for journalists and the public. “‘Journalists covering Manning’s case face many Kafkaesque obstacles, but nothing is more punitive than the government’s refusal to provide a timely and accurate transcript. By funding a court stenographer, we hope to help journalists in their effort to report on the trial,’ said Laura Poitras, a documentary filmmaker who serves on the board of directors of Freedom of the Press Foundation and attended Manning’s Article 32 hearing.” Reitman also just wrote the piece “SF Pride Board Denies Public Access to Public Hearing ” about SF Pride Board’s “recent decision to rescind Bradley Manning as a grand marshal from the upcoming parade.” ### A nationwide consortium, the Institute for Public Accuracy (IPA) represents an unprecedented effort to bring other voices to the mass-media table often dominated by a few major think tanks. IPA works to broaden public discourse in mainstream media, while building communication with alternative media outlets and grassroots activists. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 10 04:38:42 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:38:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] Are there any objections to IGC endorsing this statement? Greetings, Norbert Am Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 schrieb Jeremy Malcolm : > On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: > >> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, > >> or just organizations with paid staff? > > > > Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either > > (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression > > came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. > > Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! > > http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ > > Full text is below: > > We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the > ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to > implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and > protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. > > These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet > governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy > topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, > openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and > security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in > particular freedom of expression. > > We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal > Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These > begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key > internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; > the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of > transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to > address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move > forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. > > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s > framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet > achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring > to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF > facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and > authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring > all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the > national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for > civil society to express their views, for example through an online > platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through > speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as > providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the > WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables > participation by all, including persons with disabilities. > > Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts > toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, > and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. > We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these > policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve > the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public > interest and fundamental human rights. -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 10 04:46:28 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:46:28 +0200 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> Message-ID: <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) Greetings, Norbert Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: > Hi, > > I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could > say something that like: > > " > The IGC is ...*. > The participants in the IGC support this petition. > > signed > {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational > participants} " > > Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. > > avri > > * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a > substantive issue? > > On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief > > IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar > > to it? > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > Ian Peter wrote: > > > >> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. > >> > >> > >> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri May 10 04:49:13 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 20:49:13 +1200 Subject: [governance] Re: Geneva In-Reply-To: <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Dear Jeremy, Can you add multilingualism to the text? Otherwise the use of but not limited to, would cover it but think that it might be worthwhile mentioning it. Kind Regards, Sala On May 10, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: >>> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, or just organizations with paid staff? >> >> Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. > > Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! > > http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ > > Full text is below: > > We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. > > These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in particular freedom of expression. > > We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. > > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for civil society to express their views, for example through an online platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables participation by all, including persons with disabilities. > > Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public interest and fundamental human rights. > > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(was Re: Geneva) In-Reply-To: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> References: <57A29205-A06A-4A97-A118-534D7D836564@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <20130510105838.28e2df2c@quill.bollow.ch> William Drake wrote: > In years past it was the practice before the May meetings to ask who > is going to be in Geneva when, try to organize a caucus or CS > meeting, maybe do a joint statement about something, and so on. Is > anything along these lines contemplated for this year? We have stuff > going on over a four week period: > > The WSIS Forum 13-17 May @ ITU > The WTPF 14-16 May, with a pre-event on the 13th @ the Conference > Center* The GigaNet Workshop, "The Global Governance of the Internet: > Intergovernmentalism, Multistakeholderism and Networks" at the > Graduate Institute, 17-18 May [with wine festivals and other stuff in > the region the weekend after] > > The IGF Open Consultations and MAG meeting 21 to 23 May @ EBU > [more wine festivals etc the weekend] > > The secret WGEC meeting 30 to 31 May @ the Palais > [no festivals] > > The CSTD's 16th Session 03 to 07 June @ the Palais In view of various constraints, the only time during this period at which I will available for organizing a Caucus or CS meeting in Geneva will be on May 30, say 10.00-12.00 or so. (The WGEC meets only in the afternoon of May 30 and then the whole day on May 31.) Is there interest in such a meeting at that time? Who would be there for it? 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If the "object to" is changed to "disagree with" I will sign. Best regards Nnenna Nnenna  Nwakanma |  Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG  |  Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax  224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Norbert Bollow To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: [governance] Statement on WTPF [with IGC coordinator hat on] Are there any objections to IGC endorsing this statement? Greetings, Norbert Am Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 schrieb Jeremy Malcolm : > On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: > >> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, > >> or just organizations with paid staff? > > > > Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either > > (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression > > came across).  Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. > > Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! > > http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ > > Full text is below: > > We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the > ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to > implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and > protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. > > These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet > governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy > topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, > openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and > security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in > particular freedom of expression. > > We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal > Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These > begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key > internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; > the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of > transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to > address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move > forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. > > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s > framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet > achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring > to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF > facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and > authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring > all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the > national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for > civil society to express their views, for example through an online > platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through > speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as > providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the > WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables > participation by all, including persons with disabilities. > > Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts > toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, > and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. > We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these > policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve > the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public > interest and fundamental human rights. -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll put this to the drafters and let you know - and also Sala about her point. Ideally, we would have had a larger and more open drafting group, and it was only due to lack of time that we didn't, so I apologise for that. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yeah, everyone is working under very tight deadlines these days.  Maybe my mail was too tight and too severe.  I should have started by: "The drafting team did a great job" bla bla.. But hey, over all, I agree with text.  Just that one word, which I think comes out very strongly and does not fit into the general spirit of MSP and negotiations. "disagree or strongly disagree" is a better term than "object". Thanks to BB drafters N Nnenna  Nwakanma |  Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG  |  Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax  224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Jeremy Malcolm To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement on WTPF On 10/05/13 17:08, Nnenna wrote:  > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s >> framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. > >If the "object to" is changed to "disagree with" > >I will sign. > I'll put this to the drafters and let you know - and also Sala about her point.  Ideally, we would have had a larger and more open drafting group, and it was only due to lack of time that we didn't, so I apologise for that. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. 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If the "object to" is changed to "disagree with" I will sign. I'll put this to the drafters and let you know - and also Sala about her point.  Ideally, we would have had a larger and more open drafting group, and it was only due to lack of time that we didn't, so I apologise for that. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I strongly support Nnenna's request, and hope the change in wording is made.Tx. Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu DiploFoundation Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme www.diplomacy.edu/ig ** ** On 10 May 2013 04:12, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 10/05/13 17:08, Nnenna wrote: > > > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s > > framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. > > If the "object to" is changed to "disagree with" > > I will sign. > > > I'll put this to the drafters and let you know - and also Sala about her > point. Ideally, we would have had a larger and more open drafting group, > and it was only due to lack of time that we didn't, so I apologise for that. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: > https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the practice is stopped. Thanks, Adam -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri May 10 09:49:29 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:49:29 +0800 Subject: [governance] Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> <1368176906.71799.YahooMailNeo@web120106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <518CB9F4.8000504@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <63DC7B3D-D8EF-483C-8017-8B8DD2E904ED@ciroap.org> On 10/05/2013, at 9:36 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > I have signed (personally) because I will be offline/busy for the next couple of days. However, I strongly support Nnenna's request, and hope the change in wording is made.Tx. Ginger OK, nobody has objected (nor I think is likely to), so the amendment is made. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Keep us posted pl Sincerely On Friday, 10 May 2013, Adam Peake wrote: > Hearing rumors that "advisors" are being appointed to the CSTD working > group on enhanced cooperation. > > We go through hoops to have people appointed, rip ourselves (and > others) apart over the process, and then it seems there might be an > unaccountable back-door. > > I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our > members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group > meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the > practice is stopped. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > -- Sent from iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , at 22:40:15 on Fri, 10 May 2013, Adam Peake writes >Hearing rumors that "advisors" are being appointed to the CSTD working >group on enhanced cooperation. > >We go through hoops to have people appointed, rip ourselves (and >others) apart over the process, and then it seems there might be an >unaccountable back-door. > >I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our >members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group >meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the >practice is stopped. Be careful what you wish for. "Civil Society bans people who understand about the issues, from participating in CSTD working group" won't win many supporters. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Fri May 10 11:17:40 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 00:17:40 +0900 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did I say that? Suggest it even? Don't think so. Thanks, Adam On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message > , at > 22:40:15 on Fri, 10 May 2013, Adam Peake writes > >> Hearing rumors that "advisors" are being appointed to the CSTD working >> group on enhanced cooperation. >> >> We go through hoops to have people appointed, rip ourselves (and >> others) apart over the process, and then it seems there might be an >> unaccountable back-door. >> >> I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our >> members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group >> meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the >> practice is stopped. > > > Be careful what you wish for. "Civil Society bans people who understand > about the issues, from participating in CSTD working group" won't win many > supporters. > -- > Roland Perry > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ecrire at catherine-roy.net Fri May 10 11:18:27 2013 From: ecrire at catherine-roy.net (Catherine Roy) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:18:27 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <518D0FC3.40204@catherine-roy.net> FYI, the Chairs of the W3C HTML Working Group have announced their decision yesterday to publish the Encrypted Media Extension (EME) as First Public Working Draft[1]. What this basically means is that the EME spec is at the first step in the recommendation track though it may not make it to the end. Is also means that the process now calls for a review of the spec by the community and bugs can be filed in order to improve the spec or correct any errors. Formal objections may also be filed though I suspect these will likely come later in the process[2]. There is, as you all know, a lot of controversy around this extension specification but at this point, I doubt that will change the W3C's position on this issue as evidenced in their latest blog post on the matter[3]. It is useful to remember that HTML5, despite not being an official W3C Recommendation yet, is being widely deployed, or parts thereof. [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0030.html [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr [3] http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html -- Catherine Roy http://www.catherine-roy.net On 10/05/2013 4:46 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? > > (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that > the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus > process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go > along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) > > Greetings, > Norbert > > Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: > >> Hi, >> >> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could >> say something that like: >> >> " >> The IGC is ...*. >> The participants in the IGC support this petition. >> >> signed >> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational >> participants} " >> >> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. >> >> avri >> >> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a >> substantive issue? >> >> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief >>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar >>> to it? >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>> Ian Peter wrote: >>> >>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 >>>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Fri May 10 11:28:17 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:28:17 -0400 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> Hi, If I remember, Norbert mentioned he was going to be participating in that role. It was once in one note and no one commented. Had not thought of it as a trend, and I agree, in general it is a bad idea. But in this case, if it has already been done, and we have already implicitly accepted it by not objecting when an IGC co-co told us about it, I am not sure there is much we can, or should, do. avri On 10 May 2013, at 09:54, Kabani wrote: > Adam > > Agree with you that, we people spend time to get proper representatives in forums. > So this need to be verified that its true or not or another rumour in town. Before meeting. Keep us posted pl > > Sincerely > > On Friday, 10 May 2013, Adam Peake wrote: > Hearing rumors that "advisors" are being appointed to the CSTD working > group on enhanced cooperation. > > We go through hoops to have people appointed, rip ourselves (and > others) apart over the process, and then it seems there might be an > unaccountable back-door. > > I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our > members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group > meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the > practice is stopped. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > -- > Sent from iPad > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Fri May 10 11:31:47 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:31:47 -0400 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, But, obviously, someone can read it like that. It is amazing the number of ways people can read things. cheers, avri On 10 May 2013, at 11:17, Adam Peake wrote: > Did I say that? Suggest it even? Don't think so. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Roland Perry > wrote: >> In message >> , at >> 22:40:15 on Fri, 10 May 2013, Adam Peake writes >> >>> Hearing rumors that "advisors" are being appointed to the CSTD working >>> group on enhanced cooperation. >>> >>> We go through hoops to have people appointed, rip ourselves (and >>> others) apart over the process, and then it seems there might be an >>> unaccountable back-door. >>> >>> I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our >>> members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group >>> meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the >>> practice is stopped. >> >> >> Be careful what you wish for. "Civil Society bans people who understand >> about the issues, from participating in CSTD working group" won't win many >> supporters. >> -- >> Roland Perry >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 10 12:06:23 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:06:23 +0200 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> Message-ID: <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> Avri Doria wrote: > If I remember, Norbert mentioned he was going to be participating in > that role. It was once in one note and no one commented. As a matter of fact, I did not use the word "advisor". What I have done is that I have asked about attending as an *observer*, on behalf of the IGC, and I have received a response indicating that that should be possible. In the meantime, I have booked tickets, and I will be in Geneva, and I'll report back to the IGC, either about how the door looks from the outside, or about the WG's discussions. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Fri May 10 12:28:28 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 01:28:28 +0900 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: Thanks Norbert. I do remember you writing this. So there is still a rumor of "advisors". I for one would like to know rather than speculate. And would be best to find out before. Thanks, Adam On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Avri Doria wrote: > >> If I remember, Norbert mentioned he was going to be participating in >> that role. It was once in one note and no one commented. > > As a matter of fact, I did not use the word "advisor". > > What I have done is that I have asked about attending as an *observer*, > on behalf of the IGC, and I have received a response indicating that > that should be possible. In the meantime, I have booked tickets, and I > will be in Geneva, and I'll report back to the IGC, either about how > the door looks from the outside, or about the WG's discussions. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 10 12:32:46 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:32:46 +0200 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <20130510183246.34018c62@quill.bollow.ch> Adam Peake wrote: > So there is still a rumor of "advisors". I for one would like to know > rather than speculate. And would be best to find out before. +1 Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jean-marie.chenou at unil.ch Fri May 10 12:43:44 2013 From: jean-marie.chenou at unil.ch (Jean-Marie Chenou) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:43:44 +0200 Subject: [governance] Invitation to a Workshop: Global Governance of the Internet, 17 - 18 May, Geneva Message-ID: Dear members of the IGC list, For those of you who will be in Geneva next week,please find below an invitation to the GigaNet workshop on Internet governance mentioned by Bill Drake in a previous e-mail, to be held on 17-18 May 2013. The first day might be of particular interest for the members of this list, as two multistakeholder round-tables will address the issues of the role of intergovernmental organizations in Internet governance and of the future of the multistakeholder model. With best regards, Jean-Marie Chenou Université de Lausanne To view this email as a web page, go here. INVITATION Public Workshop [image: LogoSmall-1 GigaNet] The Programme for the Study of International Governance, together with the Global Internet Governance Academic Network (GigaNet) is pleased to invite you to a two day workshop on: THE GLOBAL GOVERNANCE OF THE INTERNET INTERGOVERNMENTALISM, MULTISTAKEHOLDERISM & NETWORKS Guest speakers include: Milton L. 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"Civil Society bans people who understand >> about the issues, from participating in CSTD working group" won't win many >> supporters. It seemed to me you weren't in favour of these advisors. 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I believe the terms of reporting someone is based on the following: - pretending to be someone else - using someone else's photo - list a fake name - fake account I doubt that the FBI has jurisdiction over a local school in St. Lucia since the FBI can only have authority on violations of US Laws in the US and its territories. I'm no expert on this but it just makes sense that it should consider only US violations, unless there are cases when there's consent from other countries. Charity Gamboa-Embley On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > Can anyone offer some insights about something that really happened? > I am based in a very small country - Saint Lucia - but in so far as it is > possible I am deliberately obscuring the details of this story in an > attempt to protect the "victim" from further annoyance. > A couple of weeks ago someone set up a social media account (Twitter or > Facebook, I'm not sure which) in the name of a senior teacher at one of the > local schools. The comments and photographs proclaimed the sexual successes > with colleagues within the school community of the purported owner of the > account. > When this came to light the purported owner "went ballistic" and > threatened investigation by the FBI and long terms in prison for the > perpetrators. The junior school is reported to be terrified. Meanwhile > another member of staff, working with a student, has managed to deactivate > the offending account. > A friend contacted me to ask - "Could the FBI ...?" " Can someone else > deactivate another person's account?" ... > Can anyone offer an opinion? > Deirdre > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was co-authored by Assistant Secretary Larry Strickling and Deputy Assistant Secretary Danny Sepulveda. The direct link is as follows: http://blogs.state.gov/2013/05/article/building-consensus-support-global-inclusive-free-and-open-internet . Thank you, Sarabrynn Hudgins Program Associate Internet Freedom & Human Rights Program Open Technology Institute, New America Foundation (202) 596-3593 1899 L St., N.W., Suite 400 Washington, DC 20036 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It will be held on Tuesday 14 May, from 9:00 to 10:45 in ITU Room A. If you are not in Geneva, you can also join us via remote participation. More information below and attached. Please share with people who might be interested. The link of this article on the e-agriculture website is http://tinyurl.com/eagric-session. > > PS: If you are attending the WSIS Forum and are interested in this session, please let me know by sending me a private email. > > Thank you, best regards > > Ken Lohento > ---- > > WSIS Forum 2013: the C7 Workshop on enhancing strategies for e-agriculture > > The Technical Centre for Agricultural and Rural Cooperation ACP-EU (CTA) and the Food and Agri-culture Organisation of the United Nations (FAO) are investigating the state of national and regional strategies for e-agriculture strategies, and their impact on how the entire sector can tap into the full benefits of ICT. The outcomes of these actions will serve as the starting point for the e-agriculture action line session at WSIS Forum 2013. > > Earlier this year, CTA prepared a background report on the general state of e-agriculture policies and strategies in selected ACP countries which aimed at providing a quick overview of the issue. The need of e-agriculture strategies and critical related is-sues were further discussed during a two week online discussion (http://bit.ly/10ODUPH) hosted by CTA on the e-Agriculture Community platform. In addition, an international workshop was orga-nized in the Netherlands, from 24 to 26 April (2013 ICT Observatory http://ict-observatory.cta.int) on the same subject. These activities were implemented with the collaboration of FAO and various partners including the UNECA, IICD, NEPAD Agency and some ACP ministries. > Panellists > > Ms Jennifer Britton, Caribbean Community (CARICOM ) Secretariat, Guyana > Mr Edward Addo-Dankwa, Ministry of Food and Agriculture, Ghana > Mr Ken Lohento, Technical Center for Agricultural and Rural Cooperation (CTA) > Mr Harsha Liyanage, Sarvodaya-Fusion and eNovation4D, Sri Lanka > Mr Shahid Uddin Akbar, Bangladesh Institute of ICT in Development (BIID) > Moderator > > Mr Michael Riggs, Food and Agriculture Organisation of the UN (FAO) > This event will take place on Tuesday, 14 May, 09:00-10:45 (Central Europe Time). > > If you are attending WSIS Forum 2013 in Geneva, please join us in ITU room A. > > If you are not attending WSIS, please join us by remote particpation. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From deborah at accessnow.org Fri May 10 16:45:25 2013 From: deborah at accessnow.org (Deborah Brown) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:45:25 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGF information In-Reply-To: References: <1368090774.11415.YahooMailNeo@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331985@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Hi Nnenna, and all, I support your suggestions as well. I'd be happy to participate in a skype chat or any way to keep those following remotely connected to discussions. I can also reach out the Swedes again to see if they could request a room for civil society meetups as they did during WCIT, if that would be helpful. Best, Deborah On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Joana Varon wrote: > Hi Nnenna, > I agree with all the suggestions on your email. > I'm register to participate at WSIS/WTPF, but I'm not part of the > International Expert Group. And I will be glad to be posting feedbacks > and exchanging ideas on a CS skype chat just like we managed during WCIT. > best > joana > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:36 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < > wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote: > >> Thanks Nnenna for pushing this further forward. >> >> I will be there from Monday to Friday as IEG Member. I will ask the >> German delegation (or EU) t help with a meeting room so that we can >> continue the "Dubai procedure". For me it is unclear whether non-sector >> members (including IEG members) have a right to speak. Anyhow, we should >> try to push that the "Deborah and Friends Paper" (DAFP) becomes part of the >> negotiations for the final version of the opinions. >> >> And thanks for the update for IGFs in Africa. The European IGF EURODIG is >> scheduled for June 29/21 in Lisbon/Portugal. >> >> wolfgang >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Nnenna >> Gesendet: Do 09.05.2013 11:12 >> An: IG Caucus >> Betreff: [governance] IGF information >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> 1. For WTPF, I cannot say how many International Expert Group - IEG- >> members wll be physically present, eother as members of delegation or as >> stand alone experts. I will suggest we still have CS meet-ups. >> >> 2. It is possible to request a venue via a delegation, this is what >> we did at WCIT but to do this, individuals with CS background need to start >> work before arrival... not just on logistics, but on the content and >> outcome of the meeting. >> 3. I think Lea Kasper, Avri Doria, and Deborah Brown are confirmed >> from IEG. Could others join forces for a better CS "Principles" >> representation? >> 4. I will not be physically present but will be online on Skype >> (there is a stand by CS chat that goes on concurrently) and the official >> remote participation channel >> 5. For those who are interested in what is happening in Africa, >> June 18 is Nigeria IGF. July 3 - 5 is West Africa IGF in Abidjan, my home >> city. July 26 is Kenya IGF. September 11 - 13 is Second Africa IGF, hosted >> by Government of Kenya and the Kenya ISOC. >> >> Best regards >> >> Nnenna >> >> >> >> >> Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG | Consultants >> Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development >> Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 >> Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org >> nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > > -- > > Joana Varon Ferraz > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade (CTS-FGV) > @joana_varon > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Deborah Brown Policy Analyst Access | AccessNow.org E. deborah at accessnow.org @deblebrown PGP 0x5EB4727D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Fri May 10 21:28:52 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 06:58:52 +0530 Subject: [governance] Teacher teasing 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13e9134553f.2728.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Agreed that this does appear to violate facebook terms of use policy so that their compliance team would be justified in taking the account down. --srs (htc one x) On 11 May 2013 12:33:35 AM Charity Gamboa wrote: > Hi De, > > I believe that in Facebook all you need to do is go to the timeline and hit > report/block. There's an onscreen instruction. I believe the terms of > reporting someone is based on the following: > > - pretending to be someone else > - using someone else's photo > - list a fake name > - fake account > > I doubt that the FBI has jurisdiction over a local school in St. Lucia > since the FBI can only have authority on violations of US Laws in the US > and its territories. I'm no expert on this but it just makes sense that it > should consider only US violations, unless there are cases when there's > consent from other countries. > > Charity Gamboa-Embley > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Deirdre Williams < > williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Can anyone offer some insights about something that really happened? > > I am based in a very small country - Saint Lucia - but in so far as it is > > possible I am deliberately obscuring the details of this story in an > > attempt to protect the "victim" from further annoyance. > > A couple of weeks ago someone set up a social media account (Twitter or > > Facebook, I'm not sure which) in the name of a senior teacher at one of the > > local schools. The comments and photographs proclaimed the sexual successes > > with colleagues within the school community of the purported owner of the > > account. > > When this came to light the purported owner "went ballistic" and > > threatened investigation by the FBI and long terms in prison for the > > perpetrators. The junior school is reported to be terrified. Meanwhile > > another member of staff, working with a student, has managed to deactivate > > the offending account. > > A friend contacted me to ask - "Could the FBI ...?" " Can someone else > > deactivate another person's account?" ... > > Can anyone offer an opinion? > > Deirdre > > > > > > -- > > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Fri May 10 23:36:58 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:06:58 +0530 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC support this petition. " Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in IGC support, which means IGC supports...... And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or undersigned participants in the IGC support the petition" I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting something with no reference to IGC What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b Avri's framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC list, build up a statement and say, "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support this petition". My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no mention of IGC... parminder > > (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that > the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus > process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go > along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) > > Greetings, > Norbert > > Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: > >> Hi, >> >> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could >> say something that like: >> >> " >> The IGC is ...*. >> The participants in the IGC support this petition. >> >> signed >> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational >> participants} " >> >> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. >> >> avri >> >> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a >> substantive issue? >> >> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief >>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar >>> to it? >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>> Ian Peter wrote: >>> >>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 >>>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sat May 11 00:02:58 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 13:02:58 +0900 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> Message-ID: First, use some boiler plate text to describe what the ICG is. (And do we have such text?) So readers know who the statement is coming from. Second, a simple statement "The participants in the IGC support this petition". Seems the idea is to keep it as simple as possible. Adam On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM, parminder wrote: > > On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? > > > From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC > support this petition. " > > Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in IGC > support, which means IGC supports...... > > And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or undersigned > participants in the IGC support the petition" > > I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC is > supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting > something with no reference to IGC > > What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b Avri's > framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC list, > build up a statement and say, > > "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support this > petition". > > My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no mention of > IGC... > > parminder > > > >> >> (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that >> the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus >> process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go >> along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could >>> say something that like: >>> >>> " >>> The IGC is ...*. >>> The participants in the IGC support this petition. >>> >>> signed >>> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational >>> participants} " >>> >>> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. >>> >>> avri >>> >>> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a >>> substantive issue? >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>> >>>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief >>>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar >>>> to it? >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter wrote: >>>> >>>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 >>>>> >>> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at orange.fr Sat May 11 03:25:31 2013 From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:25:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <385953987.2035.1368257131889.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h23> + 1 Thanks Parminder JL Fullsack > Message du 11/05/13 05:37 > De : "parminder" > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Norbert Bollow" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards > > > On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > > > Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? > > From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in > the IGC support this petition. " > > Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in IGC > support, which means IGC supports...... > > And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or > undersigned participants in the IGC support the petition" > > I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC > is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting > something with no reference to IGC > > What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b > Avri's framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC > list, build up a statement and say, > > "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support > this petition". > > My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no mention > of IGC... > > parminder > > > > > > (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that > > the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus > > process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go > > along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could > >> say something that like: > >> > >> " > >> The IGC is ...*. > >> The participants in the IGC support this petition. > >> > >> signed > >> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational > >> participants} " > >> > >> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. > >> > >> avri > >> > >> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a > >> substantive issue? > >> > >> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> > >>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief > >>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar > >>> to it? > >>> > >>> Greetings, > >>> Norbert > >>> > >>> > >>> Ian Peter wrote: > >>> > >>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 > >>>> > >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat May 11 03:26:28 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 12:56:28 +0530 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> On Saturday 11 May 2013 09:32 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > First, use some boiler plate text to describe what the ICG is. (And do > we have such text?) So readers know who the statement is coming from. > > Second, a simple statement "The participants in the IGC support this > petition". Dont think Avri means IGC to support the statement..... she seems to say trying that kind of thing will get us into substantive discussion... I am happy to be told that I am wrong... I do support IGC endorsing the statement against the proposed W3C move to install DRM hooks in the basic web architecture.. parminder > > Seems the idea is to keep it as simple as possible. > > Adam > > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM, parminder wrote: >> On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >>> >>> Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? >> >> From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC >> support this petition. " >> >> Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in IGC >> support, which means IGC supports...... >> >> And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or undersigned >> participants in the IGC support the petition" >> >> I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC is >> supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting >> something with no reference to IGC >> >> What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b Avri's >> framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC list, >> build up a statement and say, >> >> "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support this >> petition". >> >> My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no mention of >> IGC... >> >> parminder >> >> >> >>> (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that >>> the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus >>> process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go >>> along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> >>> Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could >>>> say something that like: >>>> >>>> " >>>> The IGC is ...*. >>>> The participants in the IGC support this petition. >>>> >>>> signed >>>> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational >>>> participants} " >>>> >>>> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a >>>> substantive issue? >>>> >>>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>>> >>>>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief >>>>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar >>>>> to it? >>>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian Peter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 >>>>>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Sat May 11 06:10:40 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 12:10:40 +0200 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <1822CAEE-1FB5-47B2-83B0-0BF5B371B8B1@uzh.ch> Hi Norbert On May 10, 2013, at 6:06 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Avri Doria wrote: > >> If I remember, Norbert mentioned he was going to be participating in >> that role. It was once in one note and no one commented. > > As a matter of fact, I did not use the word "advisor". > > What I have done is that I have asked about attending as an *observer*, > on behalf of the IGC, and I have received a response indicating that > that should be possible. In the meantime, I have booked tickets, and I > will be in Geneva, and I'll report back to the IGC, either about how > the door looks from the outside, or about the WG's discussions. Glad you can observe on behalf of the rest of us alongside the folks we nominated to the WG, the more the merrier. But it'd also be nice if there was a letter to Peter from the coordinators on behalf of the IGC saying we believe the meeting should be open to silent observers generally (it's unlikely there'd be an unmanageable flood). Even better if such a letter was coordinated with other CS coalitions, or even other stakeholder groups. Then he'd have something to reference when raising the issue with WG members—preferably in advance of the meeting. Any reason we can't do this? Best, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Keith Davidson On 9/05/2013 9:12 p.m., Nnenna wrote: > Dear all, > > 1. For WTPF, I cannot say how many International Expert Group - IEG- > members wll be physically present, eother as members of delegation > or as stand alone experts. I will suggest we still have CS meet-ups. > 2. It is possible to request a venue via a delegation, this is what we > did at WCIT but to do this, individuals with CS background need to > start work before arrival... not just on logistics, but on the > content and outcome of the meeting. > 3. I think Lea Kasper, Avri Doria, and Deborah Brown are confirmed from > IEG. Could others join forces for a better CS "Principles" > representation? > 4. I will not be physically present but will be online on Skype (there > is a stand by CS chat that goes on concurrently) and the official > remote participation channel > 5. For those who are interested in what is happening in Africa, June > 18 is Nigeria IGF. July 3 - 5 is West Africa IGF in Abidjan, my home > city. July 26 is Kenya IGF. September 11 - 13 is Second Africa IGF, > hosted by Government of Kenya and the Kenya ISOC. > > Best regards > > Nnenna > > > Nnenna Nwakanma | Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG | Consultants > Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development > Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax 224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 > Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org > nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sat May 11 08:58:37 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 14:58:37 +0200 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <1822CAEE-1FB5-47B2-83B0-0BF5B371B8B1@uzh.ch> References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> <1822CAEE-1FB5-47B2-83B0-0BF5B371B8B1@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <20130511145837.32603854@quill.bollow.ch> William Drake wrote: > But it'd also be nice > if there was a letter to Peter from the coordinators on behalf of > the IGC saying we believe the meeting should be open to silent > observers generally (it's unlikely there'd be an unmanageable > flood). Even better if such a letter was coordinated with other CS > coalitions, or even other stakeholder groups. Then he'd have > something to reference when raising the issue with WG > members—preferably in advance of the meeting. Any reason we can't do > this? Since at least so far, no-one has spoken out against writing such a letter, I think it's likely that such a letter should reach consensus or at least rough consensus. So I think that there's no reason at all not to do this. Hence I'd suggest that this just needs someone to go ahead and start drafting it... *Looking around for volunteers* Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sat May 11 09:06:43 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:06:43 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <585B036F-6222-4FE7-8F23-AA0CDCA3CAFC@ella.com> oh my! On 10 May 2013, at 23:36, parminder wrote: > > On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? > > From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC support this petition. " > > Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in IGC support, which means IGC supports...... > > And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or undersigned participants in the IGC support the petition" > > I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting something with no reference to IGC > > What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b Avri's framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC list, build up a statement and say, > > "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support this petition". > > My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no mention of IGC... > > parminder > > >> >> (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that >> the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus >> process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go >> along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could >>> say something that like: >>> >>> " >>> The IGC is ...*. >>> The participants in the IGC support this petition. >>> >>> signed >>> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational >>> participants} " >>> >>> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. >>> >>> avri >>> >>> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a >>> substantive issue? >>> >>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>> >>>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief >>>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar >>>> to it? >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter wrote: >>>> >>>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 >>>>> >>> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sat May 11 09:09:25 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:09:25 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <585B036F-6222-4FE7-8F23-AA0CDCA3CAFC@ella.com> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <585B036F-6222-4FE7-8F23-AA0CDCA3CAFC@ella.com> Message-ID: Sent while incomplete. Oh my! Please if Parminder finds the suggestion so unpleasant, consider it withdrawn. I do no to wish to displease him any further. Or deal with the consequences of displeasing him. But if it possible for the rest of you to edit it to somethings that works you, cheers and good on you. avri On 11 May 2013, at 09:06, Avri Doria wrote: > > oh my! > > > On 10 May 2013, at 23:36, parminder wrote: > >> >> On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >>> >>> Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? >> >> From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC support this petition. " >> >> Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in IGC support, which means IGC supports...... >> >> And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or undersigned participants in the IGC support the petition" >> >> I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting something with no reference to IGC >> >> What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b Avri's framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC list, build up a statement and say, >> >> "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support this petition". >> >> My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no mention of IGC... >> >> parminder >> >> >>> >>> (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that >>> the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus >>> process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go >>> along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> >>> Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could >>>> say something that like: >>>> >>>> " >>>> The IGC is ...*. >>>> The participants in the IGC support this petition. >>>> >>>> signed >>>> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational >>>> participants} " >>>> >>>> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a >>>> substantive issue? >>>> >>>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>>> >>>>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief >>>>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar >>>>> to it? >>>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian Peter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sat May 11 09:15:11 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 15:15:11 +0200 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <20130511151511.5dcb290b@quill.bollow.ch> Adam Peake wrote: > So there is still a rumor of "advisors". One plausible explanation for the emergence of such a rumor would be that one or more government delegations might consist of government officials plus some Internet governance experts as advisors to the government officials. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sat May 11 09:15:07 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:15:07 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? References: <026401ce4dbd$23c19550$6b44bff0$@ch> Message-ID: <63B0CAAA-B5E0-4C14-89AC-19509FC5A718@acm.org> Quoted with permission. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Peter Major" > Subject: RE: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? > Date: 10 May 2013 16:29:54 EDT > To: "'Avri Doria'" > > Avri, > > As in the previous CSTD WG on improvements to the IGF member states may come > to the WG meeting with delegations of more than one person. In my previous > mail I've made it clear that I want each country to be represented by one > person, who will take the floor in our discussions. For international > organizations I intend to have the same approach. For civil society, > technical community and business invitations have been sent out to nominated > persons. I have no knowledge about advisors. In the previous working group I > had no problem with this approach and I do not think this working group is > going to be different. I intend to discuss procedural issues at the > beginning of our first meeting and get agreement from the members of the > group. As I indicated I want to have transparent meetings and concentrate on > substance. My goal is to have good discussions and achieve results according > to our mandate. > I am ready to discuss this with you next week. > > Best, > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at ella.com] > Sent: vendredi 10 mai 2013 19:25 > To: Peter Major > Subject: Fwd: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? > > Hi, > > Was wondering if you could confirm or deny. > > Thanks > > avri > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Adam Peake >> Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? >> Date: 10 May 2013 09:40:15 EDT >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org, Adam Peake >> >> Hearing rumors that "advisors" are being appointed to the CSTD working >> group on enhanced cooperation. >> >> We go through hoops to have people appointed, rip ourselves (and >> others) apart over the process, and then it seems there might be an >> unaccountable back-door. >> >> I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our >> members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group >> meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the >> practice is stopped. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Adam >> >> _ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Sat May 11 09:34:14 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 21:34:14 +0800 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> Message-ID: On 11/05/2013, at 3:26 PM, parminder wrote: > On Saturday 11 May 2013 09:32 AM, Adam Peake wrote: >> First, use some boiler plate text to describe what the ICG is. (And do >> we have such text?) So readers know who the statement is coming from. >> >> Second, a simple statement "The participants in the IGC support this >> petition". > > Dont think Avri means IGC to support the statement..... she seems to say trying that kind of thing will get us into substantive discussion... I am happy to be told that I am wrong... > > I do support IGC endorsing the statement against the proposed W3C move to install DRM hooks in the basic web architecture.. I also like to think that we should at least try to get an IGC rough-consensus on this. Let's not give up on that without trying. I also support the use of polls to get a broader segment of IGC members to give their feedback, rather than just the usual suspects chiming in on the mailing list. In my experience an individually-addressed email invitation to a straw poll gets a much higher response rate and can be useful to the coordinators in assessing how widely-held are the dissenting views. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's not give up on that without trying. Would you be willing to draft a text proposal? Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sat May 11 11:01:08 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 17:01:08 +0200 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <20130511170108.017713ce@quill.bollow.ch> Parminder wrote: > "The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC support this petition. " > > Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in > IGC support, which means IGC supports...... Good catch. For full accuracy, IGC statements should say something like "IGC supports...", not "The participants in the IGC support...". It is possible for a statement to reach consensus even if not all IGC members support it: Some might be indifferent and neither support nor object. Also "IGC participants" is not a sufficiently precisely defined notion. > to me either (1) > IGC is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are > supporting something with no reference to IGC +1 IGC may set up some kind of forum for advocacy that can be used to develop statements and solicit signatures for statements that don't reach IGC consensus or rough consensus, but I agree that such statements that are not IGC statements should not mention the IGC. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sat May 11 11:04:38 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 00:04:38 +0900 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <63B0CAAA-B5E0-4C14-89AC-19509FC5A718@acm.org> References: <026401ce4dbd$23c19550$6b44bff0$@ch> <63B0CAAA-B5E0-4C14-89AC-19509FC5A718@acm.org> Message-ID: Thank you Avri (and thank you Peter) Adam On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Quoted with permission. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Peter Major" >> Subject: RE: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? >> Date: 10 May 2013 16:29:54 EDT >> To: "'Avri Doria'" >> >> Avri, >> >> As in the previous CSTD WG on improvements to the IGF member states may come >> to the WG meeting with delegations of more than one person. In my previous >> mail I've made it clear that I want each country to be represented by one >> person, who will take the floor in our discussions. For international >> organizations I intend to have the same approach. For civil society, >> technical community and business invitations have been sent out to nominated >> persons. I have no knowledge about advisors. In the previous working group I >> had no problem with this approach and I do not think this working group is >> going to be different. I intend to discuss procedural issues at the >> beginning of our first meeting and get agreement from the members of the >> group. As I indicated I want to have transparent meetings and concentrate on >> substance. My goal is to have good discussions and achieve results according >> to our mandate. >> I am ready to discuss this with you next week. >> >> Best, >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at ella.com] >> Sent: vendredi 10 mai 2013 19:25 >> To: Peter Major >> Subject: Fwd: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? >> >> Hi, >> >> Was wondering if you could confirm or deny. >> >> Thanks >> >> avri >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Adam Peake >>> Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? >>> Date: 10 May 2013 09:40:15 EDT >>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org, Adam Peake >>> >>> Hearing rumors that "advisors" are being appointed to the CSTD working >>> group on enhanced cooperation. >>> >>> We go through hoops to have people appointed, rip ourselves (and >>> others) apart over the process, and then it seems there might be an >>> unaccountable back-door. >>> >>> I am sure well intentioned, but I think a really bad idea. Could our >>> members on the WG find out the truth to this rumor. Before the group >>> meets. And if turns out to be correct I hope we'll ask that the >>> practice is stopped. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> _ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sat May 11 11:50:02 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 11:50:02 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <20130511170108.017713ce@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <20130511170108.017713ce@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: Hi, If you have consensus you write it one way If you don't you write it the other. However, if the discussion were ongoing on the IGC I see no reason why we would want to hide that fact - whether consensus was achieved or not. This enables people to go back to our open archives and see what the discussions was all about. avri On 11 May 2013, at 11:01, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Parminder wrote: > >> "The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC support this petition. " >> >> Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in >> IGC support, which means IGC supports...... > > Good catch. For full accuracy, IGC statements should say something > like "IGC supports...", not "The participants in the IGC support...". > > It is possible for a statement to reach consensus even if not all IGC > members support it: Some might be indifferent and neither support nor > object. Also "IGC participants" is not a sufficiently precisely defined > notion. > >> to me either (1) >> IGC is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are >> supporting something with no reference to IGC > > +1 > > IGC may set up some kind of forum for advocacy that can be used to > develop statements and solicit signatures for statements that don't > reach IGC consensus or rough consensus, but I agree that such > statements that are not IGC statements should not mention the IGC. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sat May 11 12:08:49 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 12:08:49 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > > I also like to think that we should at least try to get an IGC > > rough-consensus on this. Let's not give up on that without trying. > > Would you be willing to draft a text proposal? > Before we draft text, let's discuss the issue first. Here is the w3c "oped" on it: http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html "Different publishers use the Web differently, some choosing to make content available free of charge, others preferring to control access. Most people would agree that individuals and institutions in general should have the right to limit access to proprietary information, or charge for access to content they own." is the crucial bit here...is the CSIGC against folks limiting access to stuff they own? For the record, I am playing devil's advocate here, am not supporting any position yet. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ecrire at catherine-roy.net Sat May 11 15:47:36 2013 From: ecrire at catherine-roy.net (Catherine Roy) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 15:47:36 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> On 11/05/2013 12:08 PM, McTim wrote: > > http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html > > "Different publishers use the Web differently, some choosing to make > content available free of charge, others preferring to control access. > Most people would agree that individuals and institutions in general > should have the right to limit access to proprietary information, or > charge for access to content they own." > > is the crucial bit here...is the CSIGC against folks limiting access > to stuff they own? > As noted by others in the comments section of the W3C's blog post, it is already possible to compensate creators or owners of content on the Web. The Web can host all kinds of content. It is possible to pay for content online. Copyright holders already have access to proprietory technologies that enable them to limit access or use of content. So the issue actually is whether the CSIGC is for enshrining into the core language of the Web, i.e. HTML5, mecanisms for digital rights management, at the behest of the MPAA and other big corporations, when mecanisms already exist to do so otherwise. Is the CSIGC for allowing these interests to use user agents, i.e. browsers, to police access and uses of content and therefore, limit control users have over their agents. As the saying goes, code is law... -- Catherine Roy http://www.catherine-roy.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sat May 11 16:13:57 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 22:13:57 +0200 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> Message-ID: <20130511221357.759282a5@quill.bollow.ch> Am Sat, 11 May 2013 15:47:36 -0400 schrieb Catherine Roy : > > On 11/05/2013 12:08 PM, McTim wrote: > > > > http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html > > > > "Different publishers use the Web differently, some choosing to > > make content available free of charge, others preferring to control > > access. Most people would agree that individuals and institutions > > in general should have the right to limit access to proprietary > > information, or charge for access to content they own." > > > > is the crucial bit here...is the CSIGC against folks limiting > > access to stuff they own? > > > > > As noted by others in the comments section of the W3C's blog post, it > is already possible to compensate creators or owners of content on > the Web. The Web can host all kinds of content. It is possible to pay > for content online. Copyright holders already have access to > proprietory technologies that enable them to limit access or use of > content. > > So the issue actually is whether the CSIGC is for enshrining into the > core language of the Web, i.e. HTML5, mecanisms for digital rights > management, at the behest of the MPAA and other big corporations, > when mecanisms already exist to do so otherwise. Is the CSIGC for > allowing these interests to use user agents, i.e. browsers, to police > access and uses of content and therefore, limit control users have > over their agents. > > As the saying goes, code is law... > Further, those who hold the keys to those mechanisms (in particular, the encryption keys) are not likely to allow them be used on Free Software operating systems (where the freedom properties of the underlying operating system as a matter of logical necessity would make circumvention of the DRM system easy for anyone who has just minimal knowledge of programming), with the net effect of embedding into the very foundation of the Web discrimination against Free Software operating systems. I don't object against some content being sold. An offer of "if you want this PDF, pay $x and then you may download the PDF" is ok. I can choose to accept it or not, and if I accept it, I pay and then download the PDF, and I'm reasonably confident that it will be usable on the operating system of my choice (GNU/Linux). If the idea of embedding DRM into the fabric of the Web is accepted by W3C and then also in practice, very likely the net effect will be that users of Free Software operating systems will be locked out. If that results in Free Software operating systems no longer being a viable alternative (and hence competition!) to the rather small number of proprietary operating systems with significant market share, that is not only bad news for those of us who prefer Free Software operating systems. It will be very bad news for consumers and consumer rights and privacy everywhere, because it will dramatically increase the economic power of proprietary operating system vendors with significant market share. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sat May 11 17:16:17 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 17:16:17 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <20130511221357.759282a5@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> <20130511221357.759282a5@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <5A26CE78-7DBC-4682-8B0F-91010892B08C@ella.com> good point, but re; > Further, those who hold the keys to those mechanisms (in particular, > the encryption keys) are not likely to allow them be used on Free > Software operating systems Is this really the case? avri On 11 May 2013, at 16:13, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Am Sat, 11 May 2013 15:47:36 -0400 > schrieb Catherine Roy : > >> >> On 11/05/2013 12:08 PM, McTim wrote: >>> >>> http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html >>> >>> "Different publishers use the Web differently, some choosing to >>> make content available free of charge, others preferring to control >>> access. Most people would agree that individuals and institutions >>> in general should have the right to limit access to proprietary >>> information, or charge for access to content they own." >>> >>> is the crucial bit here...is the CSIGC against folks limiting >>> access to stuff they own? >>> >> >> >> As noted by others in the comments section of the W3C's blog post, it >> is already possible to compensate creators or owners of content on >> the Web. The Web can host all kinds of content. It is possible to pay >> for content online. Copyright holders already have access to >> proprietory technologies that enable them to limit access or use of >> content. >> >> So the issue actually is whether the CSIGC is for enshrining into the >> core language of the Web, i.e. HTML5, mecanisms for digital rights >> management, at the behest of the MPAA and other big corporations, >> when mecanisms already exist to do so otherwise. Is the CSIGC for >> allowing these interests to use user agents, i.e. browsers, to police >> access and uses of content and therefore, limit control users have >> over their agents. >> >> As the saying goes, code is law... >> > > Further, those who hold the keys to those mechanisms (in particular, > the encryption keys) are not likely to allow them be used on Free > Software operating systems (where the freedom properties of the > underlying operating system as a matter of logical necessity would make > circumvention of the DRM system easy for anyone who has just minimal > knowledge of programming), with the net effect of embedding into the > very foundation of the Web discrimination against Free Software > operating systems. > > I don't object against some content being sold. An offer of "if you > want this PDF, pay $x and then you may download the PDF" is ok. I can > choose to accept it or not, and if I accept it, I pay and then > download the PDF, and I'm reasonably confident that it will be usable > on the operating system of my choice (GNU/Linux). > > If the idea of embedding DRM into the fabric of the Web is accepted by > W3C and then also in practice, very likely the net effect will be that > users of Free Software operating systems will be locked out. If that > results in Free Software operating systems no longer being a viable > alternative (and hence competition!) to the rather small number of > proprietary operating systems with significant market share, that is > not only bad news for those of us who prefer Free Software operating > systems. It will be very bad news for consumers and consumer rights and > privacy everywhere, because it will dramatically increase the economic > power of proprietary operating system vendors with significant market > share. > > Greetings, > Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sat May 11 19:09:01 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 19:09:01 -0400 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <5A26CE78-7DBC-4682-8B0F-91010892B08C@ella.com> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> <20130511221357.759282a5@quill.bollow.ch> <5A26CE78-7DBC-4682-8B0F-91010892B08C@ella.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > good point, but re; > > > Further, those who hold the keys to those mechanisms (in particular, > > the encryption keys) are not likely to allow them be used on Free > > Software operating systems > > Is this really the case? > Hardly seems to be likely. If Members feel strongly about this, then perhaps joining the W3c HTML5 WG might be more effective. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michaelson see: http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2013-05/dnssec-performance.html There are some interesting considerations that they raise in their paper that is worthwhile factoring in for those planning to sign DNS. Kind Regards, Sala Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 12 00:25:09 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:55:09 +0530 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <585B036F-6222-4FE7-8F23-AA0CDCA3CAFC@ella.com> Message-ID: <518F19A5.9090402@itforchange.net> On Saturday 11 May 2013 06:39 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Sent while incomplete. > > Oh my! > > Please if Parminder finds the suggestion so unpleasant, consider it withdrawn. > I do no to wish to displease him any further. > Or deal with the consequences of displeasing him. You have a very inappropriate way of personalisation of political discussions! But I guess that is you! parminder > > But if it possible for the rest of you to edit it to somethings that works you, > cheers and good on you. > > avri > > On 11 May 2013, at 09:06, Avri Doria wrote: > >> oh my! >> >> >> On 10 May 2013, at 23:36, parminder wrote: >> >>> On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >>>> >>>> Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? >>> From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in the IGC support this petition. " >>> >>> Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in IGC support, which means IGC supports...... >>> >>> And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or undersigned participants in the IGC support the petition" >>> >>> I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting something with no reference to IGC >>> >>> What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b Avri's framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC list, build up a statement and say, >>> >>> "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support this petition". >>> >>> My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no mention of IGC... >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>>> (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that >>>> the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus >>>> process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go >>>> along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could >>>>> say something that like: >>>>> >>>>> " >>>>> The IGC is ...*. >>>>> The participants in the IGC support this petition. >>>>> >>>>> signed >>>>> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational >>>>> participants} " >>>>> >>>>> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. >>>>> >>>>> avri >>>>> >>>>> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a >>>>> substantive issue? >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief >>>>>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar >>>>>> to it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> Norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian Peter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 >>>>>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun May 12 00:28:37 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 16:28:37 +1200 Subject: [governance] Update NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, Warm Greetings to you all. This is to advise that we need eleven (11) more names/volunteers before we can facilitate the draw. Thanks to all those for volunteering and the current list of names are as follows:- 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar 2) Jeremy Malcolm 3) José Félix Arias Ynche 4) Kerry Brown 5) Avri Doria 6) Sarah Kiden 7) Shaila Mistry 8) José Francisco Callo Romero 9) Carlos Vera Quintana 10) Izumi AIZU 11) Adam Peake 12) Angela Daly 13) Mwendwa Kivuva 14) Keith Davidson Kind Regards, Sala > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Dear all, >> >> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >> months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >> process for renewing the Appeals Team. >> >> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >> >> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >> task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >> chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >> >> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively >> small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of >> the new Appeals Team. >> >> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >> preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >> 2013. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> -- >> Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: >> 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com > > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun May 12 01:09:01 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 10:39:01 +0530 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <518F19A5.9090402@itforchange.net> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <585B036F-6222-4FE7-8F23-AA0CDCA3CAFC@ella.com> <518F19A5.9090402@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <13e97230363.2728.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> Unless you have a majority opinion in the igc it would be more appropriate to use avri's wording Without a poll, we do not have enough positive or negative response to determine rough consensus in this case --srs (htc one x) On 12 May 2013 9:55:09 AM parminder wrote: > > On Saturday 11 May 2013 06:39 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Sent while incomplete. > > > > Oh my! > > > > Please if Parminder finds the suggestion so unpleasant, consider it > withdrawn. > > I do no to wish to displease him any further. > > Or deal with the consequences of displeasing him. > > You have a very inappropriate way of personalisation of political > discussions! But I guess that is you! > > parminder > > > > But if it possible for the rest of you to edit it to somethings that > works you, > > cheers and good on you. > > > > avri > > > > On 11 May 2013, at 09:06, Avri Doria wrote: > > > >> oh my! > >> > >> > >> On 10 May 2013, at 23:36, parminder wrote: > >> > >>> On Friday 10 May 2013 02:16 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >>>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] > >>>> > >>>> Are there any objections to Avri's proposal below? > >>> From Avri's proposes template " The IGC is ...*. The participants in > the IGC support this petition. " > >>> > >>> Dont understand what it means.... to me it means all participants in > IGC support, which means IGC supports...... > >>> > >>> And if there is a typo and it is meant to say "the following or > undersigned participants in the IGC support the petition" > >>> > >>> I am not sure how this in between category works, to me either (1) IGC > is supporting something or (2) a set of individuals/ orgs are supporting > something with no reference to IGC > >>> > >>> What is bar to qualify for this new in-between category, indicated b > Avri's framing...... Can, for instance, I and a friend, also on the IGC > list, build up a statement and say, > >>> > >>> "The IGC is ....... . The following participants in the IGC support > this petition". > >>> > >>> My view: either IGC supports something and otherwise there is no > mention of IGC... > >>> > >>> parminder > >>> > >>> > >>>> (If we have consensus on this general course of action, I think that > >>>> the next steps on this would be informal editing and then a consensus > >>>> process to create a bit of fluff text on what is the IGC etc., to go > >>>> along with with the sentence that expresses support for the petition.) > >>>> > >>>> Greetings, > >>>> Norbert > >>>> > >>>> Avri Doria wrote on 28 Apr 2013: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I have personally signed and would support a statement if we could > >>>>> say something that like: > >>>>> > >>>>> " > >>>>> The IGC is ...*. > >>>>> The participants in the IGC support this petition. > >>>>> > >>>>> signed > >>>>> {set of those who endorse - individuals and organizational > >>>>> participants} " > >>>>> > >>>>> Any more and we would probably be involved in substantive issues. > >>>>> > >>>>> avri > >>>>> > >>>>> * do we have a canned "who the IGC is" stmt - or is that a > >>>>> substantive issue? > >>>>> > >>>>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 18:00, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> What are the views about the idea of in addition issuing a brief > >>>>>> IGC statement in support of this petition or with a message similar > >>>>>> to it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Greetings, > >>>>>> Norbert > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ian Peter wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Many people here may wish to sign this petition. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 12 02:02:59 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:32:59 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Comments asking ICANN to deny application for .pharmacy registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518F3093.30106@itforchange.net> On Thursday 14 March 2013 07:45 PM, Rashmi Rangnath wrote: > All: > > I thought many of you may be interested in this application that > Public Citizen filed opposing the National Association of Boards of > Pharmacy's (NABP) application for the .pharmacy TLD. Public Citizen is > concerned that the registration would allow the NABP to exclude > licensed pharmacies located in Canada from acquiring domain names > under .pharmacy. This would prevent access to affordable medicines for > many in the US. > > A link to Public Citizen's comments is here: > https://gtldcomment.icann.org/comments-feedback/applicationcomment/commentdetails/12145-- > I completely agree, Rashmi. However, you may want to go deeper into the roots of the issue. We should inquire from the civil society constituency engaged with the ICANN why did they not only allow but in fact supported giving all kind of generic names off as TLDs, (including closed generics) including those with such deep public interest implications as .pharmacy .... In fact, it is the government advisory committee (GAC) that recently gave some very important 'advices' to protect public interest. It advised that "strings that are linked to regulated or professional sectors should operate in a way that is consistent with applicable laws" and that the need to "establish a working relationship with the relevant regulatory, or industry self-­-regulatory, bodies, including developing a strategy to mitigate as much as possible the risks of fraudulent, and other illegal, activities. " This should very much apply to .pharmacy..... and I think the relevant global regulatory body for this purpose should be the WHO... Public Citizen's referred comments also say that the TLD applicant plans to "maintain exclusionary plans for the domain" The GAC advice says that "the registration restrictions should be appropriate for the types of risks associated with the TLD. The registry operator should administer access in these kinds of registries in a transparent way that does not give an undue preference to any registrars or registrants, including itself, and shall not subject registrars or registrants to an undue disadvantage. " It isalsocategorical that exclusive registry access may be given only if serves a clear 'public interest goal'. (This covers, and hopefully puts the brakes on, closed generic TLD proposals like .book. .cloud, .music and .news). It is highly problematic that the so called multi stakeholder model completely failed to serve the public interest in this case, even with numerous committees etc having going into the issue. And this includes the civil society associated with ICANN.... Finally, governments had to step in to protect the public interest. What has happened deserves a very deep inquiry and reflections, especially by progressive civil society groups . What is touted as a multistakeholder model at the ICANN is highly ideology infested. It is its complete belief in free markets as being able to protect most if not all kinds of public interests, that has resulted in it becoming blind to the various very problematic aspects of the new TLD program that now the governments had to step in to point out... I think that the civil society individuals and groups that work closely with the ICANN, including on its various committees should also be answerable for this.... In some way, they are there to keep vigil on behalf of all civil society... Why did they not intervene in these deep transgressions into the public interest. parminder > > Best, > > Rashmi > > Rashmi Rangnath > Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney > Public Knowledge > 1818 N Street NW > Suite 410 > Washington, D.C. 20036 > 202 861 0020 > rrangnath at publicknowledge.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sun May 12 04:05:27 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:05:27 +0300 Subject: [governance] UK company's spyware 'used against Bahrain activist', court papers claim | World news | guardian.co.uk Message-ID: <518F4D47.5000606@gmail.com> Private vices equals Public Virtues... yeah right! http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/12/uk-company-spyware-bahrain-claim -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sun May 12 04:53:33 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:53:33 +0300 Subject: [governance] More (yawn) regulatory swing doors... US FCC... Message-ID: <518F588D.4000606@gmail.com> How does MS take this intimacy into account? Weekend Edition May 10-12, 2013 Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on google More Sharing Services 12 Why the Senate Should Reject Tom Wheeler Another Industry Crony at the FCC? by B. BLAKE LEVITT President Obama's nomination of Tom Wheeler to head the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is the height of cynical cronyism and industry-pandering. He should not be confirmed. Obama, in fact, could not have found a /worse /nominee than Tom Wheeler to head this most significant regulatory agency -- one with long tentacles into all our lives whether we know it or not. Wheeler is the last person who should have his hands on the levers of the FCC, though he's been aching to do just that for decades. Wheeler has far too many conflicts of interest and industry biases to head the FCC. The FCC, regulates the nation's airwaves and all communications plus its accompanying infrastructure, including all broadcasters, cable companies, telephone-service providers both wired and wireless, satellite communications and the Internet. FCC is at a crucial juncture regarding decisions on new airwave auctions, further media consolidation, net neutrality, and most importantly the updating of the nation's obsolete exposure standards for radiofrequency radiation. The stakes are high. These decisions will affect all U.S. citizens for decades to come in ways great and small. Below are 12 good reasons why the U.S. Senate* should reject Tom Wheeler: *1. Wheeler's financial conflicts. * As the managing director of Core Capital Partners LP in Washington, D.C., Tom Wheeler helps manage a $350 million venture capital firm that invests primarily in the high-growth technology sector -- all with potential business involving the FCC. Founded in 1999, Core Capital has invested in over 45 companies and partnered with over 100 others with a focus on wireless information technology, communications, infrastructure, security, cloud-based software, digital media and technology-enabled service areas. Examples of Core Capital's investments include PureWave Networks, which develops outdoor base stations for the 4G wireless networks; Twisted Pair Solutions, which makes mobile communications software interfaces, BridgeWave Communications, an outdoor gigabit wireless infrastructure/interface company, among many others. (See: http://www.core-capital.com for portfolio information.) Nearly all of Core Capital's clients rely on friendly FCC regulation, lax radiofrequency radiation exposure standards, or more importantly no regulation at all. In 2008, /FierceWireless /included Tom Wheeler in their top ten all-time list of people who helped shape the wireless industry. Wheeler is on a mission and it goes way beyond regulating the quality of our connectivity. *2. Wheeler's professional conflicts/bullying. *Wheeler headed two major industry trade groups: the National Cable Television Association from 1979 to 1984, which includes the largest US cable companies --- Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter Communications; and the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association, now called CTIA -- the Wireless Association, which includes the four biggest wireless companies --- Verizon, AT&T, Sprint Nextel, and T-Mobile USA. CTIA, founded in 1984,//includes not only wireless carriers, but their suppliers, service providers, and manufacturers of wireless data services and products. CTIA advocates at all levels of government and claims to coordinate the industry's voluntary best practices and initiatives. Their behaviors indicate otherwise, however, and Tom Wheeler set their tone years ago. In 2010, CTIA sued the city of San Francisco over that city's first-in-the-nation law that point-of-sale information regarding a cell phone's radiofrequency radiation level, and its specific absorption rate (SAR) be made available prior to sale. It also required a handout be made available saying that the World Health Organization determined radiofrequency radiation to be a 2B possible carcinogen. It was a simple right-to-know law containing the same radiation exposure information buried in company literature deep within the box, available only after purchase. (Increasingly that information is now available only online.) CTIA sued on First Amendment grounds. Apparently making them tell the truth goes against their right to obscure. The 9^th Circuit Federal Court agreed with CTIA and on May 7, 2013, the San Francisco City Board of Supervisors revoked the law because they did not want to open taxpayers to a potential $500,000 penalty in attorney's fees for CTIA. They were also humiliated into accepting a permanent injunction against the right-to-know ordinance just to make sure they didn't come back with anything similar in the future. Despite scores of letters and petitions from across the country encouraging San Francisco to stay the course, CTIA's bullying worked. http://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-surrenders-fight-over-cell-phone-warnings-124624361.html And for good measure, CTIA not only sued but also moved CTIA's annual conference, traditionally held in San Francisco, to Texas, thereby taking significant revenues out of the California economy. These are all punitive tactics, honed under Wheeler while at CTIA and continued by his predecessors. Other states are considering similar legislation. On May 2, 2013, Rep Andrea Boland (D) Maine reintroduced The Children's Wireless Protection Act. It would require that retailers provide a flyer stating the same information about the World Health Organization's classification, require that manufacturers' manuals provide language to avoid direct cell phone contact with the head and body, as well as information on how to reduce excessive exposure, if one chooses, such as limiting use by children, keeping a phone away from reproductive organs, and operating it with a wired headset. The bill would also require retailers to label cell phones at point of purchase with stickers stating the following: "This device emits radiofrequency electromagnetic fields. Avoid direct contact." (Full text: : http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_126th/billtexts/HP071101.asp) Rep. Boland says it's time to give Maine constituents fair warning of the serious, potentially lethal ramifications of cell phone use, now associated with gliomas -- the deadliest form of brain cancer, among other problems. But the ruling in San Francisco has had a chilling effect, just as intended by CTIA. Boland's bill was tabled until further notice on May 8^th . Pennsylvania, Oregon, New York and others are also considering such legislation. Hopefully these other states will have more pluck than San Francisco. CTIA's aggressive behaviors are well documented and were considerably ramped up under Tom Wheeler's long tenure. He will institute those behaviors in favor of industry if affirmed at the FCC. Expect an FCC ruling that makes point-of-sale information illegal at the state level, a lot more litigation, and bullying. *3. Wheeler's political conflicts.* Tom Wheeler was a top fundraising bundler for President Obama, raising**more than $500,000 in 2012, and from $250,000 to $500,000 for the 2008 campaign. Wheeler has made at least $172,524 in campaign donations since 2007, all to Democratic candidates and party committees. He donated the maximum allowed to both of Obama's presidential campaigns, and the maximum $30,800 to the Democratic National Committee in 2011 and 2012, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. /Time Business & Money /called Wheeler a "true believer," noting that Wheeler and his wife went door-to-door for Obama in Iowa. //(http://business.time.com/2013/05/02/tom-wheeler-former-lobbyist-and-obama-fundraiser-tapped-to-lead-fcc/). His nomination reeks of a /quid pro quo./ *4. Wheeler* *would increase radiofrequency radiation exposures. * After decades of unchecked wireless exposures, continued concern about safety, and three law suits, the FCC is finally reviewing their obsolete radiofrequency (RF) safety standards, instituted in 1996 --- 17 years ago --- but which even back then did not take any studies past 1986 into consideration. Thousands of studies have come out since that time, many indicating adverse effects. (See www.bioinitiative.org) This FCC review affects all aspects of modern life, from broadcast to broadband, cell phones, wifi, smart metering --- virtually all wireless products and infrastructure. The CTIA recently released its 2012 year-end survey. There are now more wireless subscriber connections (326.4 million) in the U.S. than people, and more than 300,000 cell tower sites. That is a tremendous amount of RF exposure to the population that simply did not exist as little as 15 years ago. Concerns over the safety of this area of the electromagnetic spectrum precede the CTIA and were long known in the science community. Wheeler, as director of CTIA, oversaw a $25 million research debacle that ended in more -- not less -- controversy, with virtually no research produced. The project was widely considered in the press to have been a "manufactured doubt" program, intended to contaminate the database with negative studies, prevent clearer understanding and therefore better regulation. Today increasing research from all over the world indicates possible cancer risks among many other physiological problems from mobile-phone use, accompanying infrastructure, and myriad consumer wireless products. In 2012, the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classified radiofrequency radiation as a 2B possible carcinogen along with lead, formaldehyde, mercury and DDT. Many European countries and professional organizations now recommend the precautionary principle regarding these ubiquitous exposures, especially for children. Wheeler's entire professional career rests on the assumption that the exposures at current levels are safe, despite mounting evidence to the contrary. The current FCC standards are based on a high-intensity, short-term tissue heating model that does not reflect today's long-term, low-level, chronic non-tissue-heating exposures found to be every bit as biologically active. In addition to the FCC's narrow, ineffective focus, today's standards do not take cumulative exposures from myriad wireless sources functioning at the same time, such as in the average home or workplace. Plus the FCC categorically excludes whole swaths of technology from review if those products meet certain exposure thresholds. The entire model is completely inadequate to protect the public health. Industry is pushing to make the standards more lenient. In 2012, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a report after spending a year researching the health aspects of cell phone usage that stated the radiation limit needed to be reevaluated. At the time of the report, the FCC had the SAR (specific absorption rate) set at 1.6W/kg (the amount of energy absorbed by a unit of tissue). The FCC reevaluated the radiation limit after the GAO report was published, and recently published its own response. FCC states that the SAR limit will stay the same. However, the outer part of the ear has been reclassified as an "extremity,"*//*a designation that legally allows it to absorb more radiation under current specifications. This is going in the wrong direction.// In 1999, a cheery-picking Wheeler said "responsible scientific studies hadn't found a connection." He will likely maintain that stance and the public health could be in serious jeopardy, given the popularity of wireless products. Wheeler would have the ability to not only relax the standards further and grant more categorical exclusions to the very industries he has promoted, funded, and made a fortune from, he would also control any future recommendations for cell phone exposures, especially among children who are known to be more susceptible to such damage. These factors alone should disqualify Wheeler for the chairmanship. While at the CTIA, Wheeler lobbied hard to make sure Congress would set no limits on cell phone use of any kind. He's not about to stop now. *5.* *Wheeler would erode local cell tower siting rights and endanger public health. *When Wheeler was at CTIA, he was among the industry architects who wrote Section 704 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that prohibited state and municipalities from siting towers based on the environmental effects of radiofrequency radiation -- a health and safety jurisdiction long exercised at the local level. He asked FCC to preempt all local rights in cell tower siting; make illegal temporary moratoriums on tower construction while communities created effective zoning regulations; make it illegal for communities to require that cell providers prove they are in compliance with FCC exposure standards; make it illegal to even mention health or environmental concerns at public hearings -- against First Amendment rights to free speech -- and he pushed back communities seeking legal redress in federal courts. Wheeler's appointment would be a blow to what little power is left regarding state and local rights in their time-honored legal zoning responsibilities to protect public health, safety, and welfare. Wheeler would give the telecoms the right to site infrastructure anywhere, anytime, without local or state review. His appointment could open new areas of litigation. Unsafe infrastructure siting potentially endangers public health and property values and constitutes an illegal taking against the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. *6.* *Wheeler would abandon landline networks. *This is a critical time for FCC decisions that will affect wired v. wireless networks and all information/entertainment/voice delivery choice for consumers. Despite Congress's desire for more diversity in communications services, Wheeler in 2011 advocated for total deregulation and to let AT&T buy the smaller wireless competitor T-Mobile USA Inc. Both the FCC and the U.S. Justice Department opposed the merger and AT&T abandoned the plan. It is well known that AT&T wants to abandon its entire landline network in favor of an all-wireless network -- this at a time when safety issues are on the table regarding wireless exposures. FCC granted them permission to do that and AT&T is currently trying to enact that plan in numerous states now, despite the fact that 1-in-5 Americans rely on landline networks for voice, DSL Internet, and 911 emergency provisions. Landline networks, proven time and again, are far more reliable and secure than wireless networks. Wheeler's appointment would accelerate, and greatly favor the wireless industry over the harder, safer landline system. The U.S. should be favoring fiberoptic networks like countries throughout Europe and Asia for primary connectivity at all levels. *7. * *Wheeler would increase media consolidation. *Further media consolidation could erode press diversity. As president of the CTIA, Wheeler in 2001 pushed to eliminate limits on how many airwaves a company can hold in a given city. The FCC is currently considering whether to revise the limits again. Wheeler's confirmation could further damage media diversity and reduce the number of independent voices intended by Congress. *8.* *Wheeler would decrease consumer choice. *Wheeler has a decades-long track record of favoring wireless over wired networks. He will bring that bias to the critical balance in today's entertainment/communications market between cabled networks and wireless companies. He will decrease, rather than increase, consumer choice -- Congress's clear intent --- and push for deregulation at all levels, using the federal cudgel over state decision-makers. All wired networks will likely suffer under his bias. *9*. *Wheeler would oversee huge spectrum auctions.* If appointed, Wheeler would oversee 120 megahertz of spectrum auctions of airwaves to be voluntarily relinquished (at a price) by television stations after those stations went to digital formats. These are the public's airwaves. Originally, that frequency spectrum was promised to local emergency first responders. But it will now be auctioned to the major telecoms for 4-G high-speed wireless Internet service and mobile broadband. This will bring an increased layer of radiofrequency radiation to the environment/public at a time when safety concerns are paramount and the FCC is reviewing its standards. Wheeler would oversee almost one quarter of the airwaves that Obama set as a national goal and a huge swath of spectrum would be in the hands of a consummate industry insider who has fought against the public interest at every step. *10.* *Wheeler is known for cronyism*. On his blog in 2011, he called AT&T's Senior Executive Vice President Jim Cicconi, one of the smartest, shrewdest policy mavens in the capital and added that merger deliberations could create a new era of wireless policy according to Cicconi's ideas. Wheeler will bring this bias and years of insider relationships to the FCC -- against the public's best interests. *11.* *Wheeler's appointment would further lower the bar on the 'revolving door.'* Reed Hundt, the former FCC Chairman during the Clinton Administration, serves on Wheeler's Core Capital Partners board of advisers -- the man whom Wheeler once repeatedly petitioned for more lax standards and regulations when Wheeler headed the CTIA. Now both men stand to profit from Wheeler taking the helm at the FCC and relaxing regulations further. *12. **Wheeler's conflicts perfectly match FCC's authority**. *At a time when the FCC has pushed for increased wireless broadband in rural areas, and Congress has awarded tax payer dollars as incentives to large communications companies to serve those areas, Wheeler would be in the position not only to affect the nation's infrastructure and radiation exposure standards but to direct all regulatory power to financially benefit friends and former clients. FCC regulates broadcasters, cable companies and telephone-service providers -- all of which intersect with Wheeler's background. Voters should urge the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation to reject Tom Wheeler. If Wheeler's nomination gets out of committee, voters should petition their Senators to vote against this cynical power-grab by a longtime industry insider and find a more suitable candidate. President Obama needs to get the message that our regulatory agencies are off-limits to conflicted industry insiders once and for all. Wheeler has long had his camel's nose under the tent at the FCC by being on an important FCC's advisory panel. But it's one thing to ask industry insiders what their opinions/preferences are. It's another to hand the whole kittenkaboddle over to them. Mignon Clyburn, senior Democrat on the FCC commission, will serve as acting chairwoman until a permanent chair is appointed. Thirty-seven U.S. Senators in a letter urged President Obama to nominate FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel as chair. She would be the first woman to head that agency. Rosenworcel has nearly two decades of experience in telecommunications and media policy in both the public and private sector and received wide bipartisan support during her confirmation to the FCC last year. She carries none of the overt conflicts or insider cronyism that Wheeler does and unlike Wheeler, has a solid background in communications law. She is acceptable to industry and public interest advocates alike and would likely be confirmed. Those 37 senators should be urged to stick to their guns and to enlist their colleagues to support her. The first step is to reject Tom Wheeler. We can --- and should --- do better than this. /*B. Blake Levitt* is an award-winning medical/science journalist, former New York Times contributor; author, Electromagnetic Fields, A Consumer's Guide to the Issues and How to Protect Ourselves ; and editor, Cell Towers Wireless Convenience? Or Environmental Hazard? 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Tamanikaiwaimaro het volgende geschreven: > Dear All, > > Warm Greetings to you all. This is to advise that we need eleven (11) more names/volunteers before we can facilitate the draw. Thanks to all those for volunteering and the current list of names are as follows:- > > 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar > > 2) Jeremy Malcolm > 3) José Félix Arias Ynche > > 4) Kerry Brown > 5) Avri Doria > 6) Sarah Kiden > 7) Shaila Mistry > 8) José Francisco Callo Romero > > 9) Carlos Vera Quintana > 10) Izumi AIZU > 11) Adam Peake > 12) Angela Daly > > 13) Mwendwa Kivuva > > 14) Keith Davidson > > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively > small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of > the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com > > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Sun May 12 05:42:56 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:42:56 +0200 Subject: [governance] MAG said to be renewed Message-ID: Hi The UN announced two days ago that the MAG has been renewed, 56 members, 15 new. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2013/pi2058.doc.htm However, the link provided for the list of members, http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/121-preparatory-process/1290-mag-2013, yields 404 - Article #1290 not found, and there's nothing else on the IGF site. Presumably this will be fixed tomorrow. Cheers Bill ********************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake at uzh.ch www.williamdrake.org *********************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Sun May 12 05:59:24 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:59:24 +0200 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <20130511145837.32603854@quill.bollow.ch> References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> <1822CAEE-1FB5-47B2-83B0-0BF5B371B8B1@uzh.ch> <20130511145837.32603854@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <0B328CB2-06B6-4434-B4CF-DEED2F1E196B@uzh.ch> Hi Norbert, On May 11, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > William Drake wrote: > >> But it'd also be nice >> if there was a letter to Peter from the coordinators on behalf of >> the IGC saying we believe the meeting should be open to silent >> observers generally (it's unlikely there'd be an unmanageable >> flood). Even better if such a letter was coordinated with other CS >> coalitions, or even other stakeholder groups. Then he'd have >> something to reference when raising the issue with WG >> members—preferably in advance of the meeting. Any reason we can't do >> this? > > Since at least so far, no-one has spoken out against writing such a > letter, I think it's likely that such a letter should reach consensus > or at least rough consensus. So I think that there's no reason at all > not to do this. > > Hence I'd suggest that this just needs someone to go ahead and start > drafting it... > > *Looking around for volunteers* If the letter's coming from you a coordinator, why not just draft it rather than wait for a group to form? One paragraph saying the meeting should be open and transparent. We have no caucus meeting scheduled during the IGF week per usual, no caucus input to the WTPF, no caucus input to the IGF meeting, and no caucus input to the WGEC. Shouldn't such things get priority over concocting speech codes for the list etc? Bill -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun May 12 06:20:05 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:20:05 +1200 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <0B328CB2-06B6-4434-B4CF-DEED2F1E196B@uzh.ch> References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> <1822CAEE-1FB5-47B2-83B0-0BF5B371B8B1@uzh.ch> <20130511145837.32603854@quill.bollow.ch> <0B328CB2-06B6-4434-B4CF-DEED2F1E196B@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <600D020E-B88D-4FF8-B91A-FE7025755DF3@gmail.com> Hi, It would be a bad idea to write a letter to try and talk about openness. The chair has his discretion as to who he wishes to invite to his meeting. The fact that we have representatives on the WG already is sufficient. Also when Norbert wrote a letter to another stakeholder in his capacity, he came under fire. It would be unfair to get him to do the same thing now. Besides, we do not even know if there are advisors who have been brought in. For all we know, there are observers. Kind Regards, Sent from my iPad On May 12, 2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi Norbert, > > On May 11, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> William Drake wrote: >> >>> But it'd also be nice >>> if there was a letter to Peter from the coordinators on behalf of >>> the IGC saying we believe the meeting should be open to silent >>> observers generally (it's unlikely there'd be an unmanageable >>> flood). Even better if such a letter was coordinated with other CS >>> coalitions, or even other stakeholder groups. Then he'd have >>> something to reference when raising the issue with WG >>> members—preferably in advance of the meeting. Any reason we can't do >>> this? >> >> Since at least so far, no-one has spoken out against writing such a >> letter, I think it's likely that such a letter should reach consensus >> or at least rough consensus. So I think that there's no reason at all >> not to do this. >> >> Hence I'd suggest that this just needs someone to go ahead and start >> drafting it... >> >> *Looking around for volunteers* > > If the letter's coming from you a coordinator, why not just draft it rather than wait for a group to form? One paragraph saying the meeting should be open and transparent. > > We have no caucus meeting scheduled during the IGF week per usual, no caucus input to the WTPF, no caucus input to the IGF meeting, and no caucus input to the WGEC. Shouldn't such things get priority over concocting speech codes for the list etc? > > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 12 06:34:32 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 16:04:32 +0530 Subject: [governance] More (yawn) regulatory swing doors... US FCC... In-Reply-To: <518F588D.4000606@gmail.com> References: <518F588D.4000606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <518F7038.8070902@itforchange.net> It is such a shame. I figure the ICT and Internet game for the US establishment is really 'global' - and here the government and private sector would stand as one. Government’s real job is to provide policy support for global ICT/Internet corporations. More consolidation, greater corporate power, the better .... And at the altar of this global imperative, domestic issues of industry versus larger public interest has been decided to be largely sacrificed. In fact, there seem to be people in the US establishment who may really think that overall the people of the US will also benefit much more from consolidating 'Intellectual property plus Internet controls' based geo-economic and geo-political advantages than they may benefit from public interest based communication regulation. That is the most favourable interpretation I can give to this news.... A perfect confirmation, if one was needed, that ICTs and Internet are the main axis or pillar of US's geo-economic and geo-political plans . Time other countires see through this and learn to protect their respective interests. and also hopefully global civil soicety in the IG space stop providing cover fire to US's global ICT/Internet designs that will sooner than latter extinguish all possibilities of real freedoms and equality that ICTs/ Internet may have promised... parminder On Sunday 12 May 2013 02:23 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > How does MS take this intimacy into account? > > Weekend Edition May 10-12, 2013 > > Share on facebook > > Share on twitter > > Share on google > > More Sharing Services > > 12 > > > Why the Senate Should Reject Tom Wheeler > > > Another Industry Crony at the FCC? > > by B. BLAKE LEVITT > > President Obama’s nomination of Tom Wheeler to head the Federal > Communications Commission (FCC) is the height of cynical cronyism and > industry-pandering. He should not be confirmed. Obama, in fact, > could not have found a /worse /nominee than Tom Wheeler to head this > most significant regulatory agency – one with long tentacles into all > our lives whether we know it or not. Wheeler is the last person who > should have his hands on the levers of the FCC, though he’s been > aching to do just that for decades. > > Wheeler has far too many conflicts of interest and industry biases to > head the FCC. The FCC, regulates the nation’s airwaves and all > communications plus its accompanying infrastructure, including all > broadcasters, cable companies, telephone-service providers both wired > and wireless, satellite communications and the Internet. FCC is at a > crucial juncture regarding decisions on new airwave auctions, further > media consolidation, net neutrality, and most importantly the updating > of the nation’s obsolete exposure standards for radiofrequency > radiation. The stakes are high. These decisions will affect all U.S. > citizens for decades to come in ways great and small. > > Below are 12 good reasons why the U.S. Senate* should reject Tom Wheeler: > > *1. Wheeler’s financial conflicts. * As the managing director of > Core Capital Partners LP in Washington, D.C., Tom Wheeler helps > manage a $350 million venture capital firm that invests primarily > in the high-growth technology sector – all with potential business > involving the FCC. Founded in 1999, Core Capital has invested in > over 45 companies and partnered with over 100 others with a focus > on wireless information technology, communications, > infrastructure, security, cloud-based software, digital media and > technology-enabled service areas. Examples of Core Capital’s > investments include PureWave Networks, which develops outdoor base > stations for the 4G wireless networks; Twisted Pair Solutions, > which makes mobile communications software interfaces, BridgeWave > Communications, an outdoor gigabit wireless > infrastructure/interface company, among many others. (See: > http://www.core-capital.com for portfolio information.) Nearly > all of Core Capital’s clients rely on friendly FCC regulation, lax > radiofrequency radiation exposure standards, or more importantly > no regulation at all. In 2008, /FierceWireless /included Tom > Wheeler in their top ten all-time list of people who helped shape > the wireless industry. Wheeler is on a mission and it goes way > beyond regulating the quality of our connectivity. > > *2. Wheeler’s professional conflicts/bullying. *Wheeler headed > two major industry trade groups: the National Cable Television > Association from 1979 to 1984, which includes the largest US cable > companies — Comcast, Time Warner, and Charter Communications; and > the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association, now > called CTIA – the Wireless Association, which includes the four > biggest wireless companies — Verizon, AT&T, Sprint Nextel, and > T-Mobile USA. CTIA, founded in 1984,//includes not only wireless > carriers, but their suppliers, service providers, and > manufacturers of wireless data services and products. CTIA > advocates at all levels of government and claims to coordinate the > industry’s voluntary best practices and initiatives. Their > behaviors indicate otherwise, however, and Tom Wheeler set their > tone years ago. In 2010, CTIA sued the city of San Francisco over > that city’s first-in-the-nation law that point-of-sale information > regarding a cell phone’s radiofrequency radiation level, and its > specific absorption rate (SAR) be made available prior to sale. It > also required a handout be made available saying that the World > Health Organization determined radiofrequency radiation to be a 2B > possible carcinogen. It was a simple right-to-know law containing > the same radiation exposure information buried in company > literature deep within the box, available only after purchase. > (Increasingly that information is now available only online.) CTIA > sued on First Amendment grounds. Apparently making them tell the > truth goes against their right to obscure. The 9^th Circuit > Federal Court agreed with CTIA and on May 7, 2013, the San > Francisco City Board of Supervisors revoked the law because they > did not want to open taxpayers to a potential $500,000 penalty in > attorney’s fees for CTIA. They were also humiliated into accepting > a permanent injunction against the right-to-know ordinance just to > make sure they didn’t come back with anything similar in the > future. Despite scores of letters and petitions from across the > country encouraging San Francisco to stay the course, CTIA’s > bullying worked. > http://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-surrenders-fight-over-cell-phone-warnings-124624361.html > And for good measure, CTIA not only sued but also moved CTIA’s > annual conference, traditionally held in San Francisco, to Texas, > thereby taking significant revenues out of the California economy. > These are all punitive tactics, honed under Wheeler while at CTIA > and continued by his predecessors. Other states are considering > similar legislation. On May 2, 2013, Rep Andrea Boland (D) Maine > reintroduced The Children’s Wireless Protection Act. It would > require that retailers provide a flyer stating the same > information about the World Health Organization’s classification, > require that manufacturers’ manuals provide language to avoid > direct cell phone contact with the head and body, as well as > information on how to reduce excessive exposure, if one chooses, > such as limiting use by children, keeping a phone away from > reproductive organs, and operating it with a wired headset. The > bill would also require retailers to label cell phones at point of > purchase with stickers stating the following: “This device emits > radiofrequency electromagnetic fields. Avoid direct contact.” > (Full text: : > http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_126th/billtexts/HP071101.asp) > Rep. Boland says it’s time to give Maine constituents fair warning > of the serious, potentially lethal ramifications of cell phone > use, now associated with gliomas – the deadliest form of brain > cancer, among other problems. But the ruling in San Francisco has > had a chilling effect, just as intended by CTIA. Boland’s bill was > tabled until further notice on May 8^th . Pennsylvania, Oregon, > New York and others are also considering such legislation. > Hopefully these other states will have more pluck than San > Francisco. CTIA’s aggressive behaviors are well documented and > were considerably ramped up under Tom Wheeler’s long tenure. He > will institute those behaviors in favor of industry if affirmed at > the FCC. Expect an FCC ruling that makes point-of-sale information > illegal at the state level, a lot more litigation, and bullying. > > *3. Wheeler’s political conflicts.* Tom Wheeler was a top > fundraising bundler for President Obama, raising**more than > $500,000 in 2012, and from $250,000 to $500,000 for the 2008 > campaign. Wheeler has made at least $172,524 in campaign donations > since 2007, all to Democratic candidates and party committees. He > donated the maximum allowed to both of Obama’s presidential > campaigns, and the maximum $30,800 to the Democratic National > Committee in 2011 and 2012, according to the Center for Responsive > Politics. /Time Business & Money /called Wheeler a “true > believer,” noting that Wheeler and his wife went door-to-door for > Obama in Iowa. > //(http://business.time.com/2013/05/02/tom-wheeler-former-lobbyist-and-obama-fundraiser-tapped-to-lead-fcc/). > His nomination reeks of a /quid pro quo./ > > *4. Wheeler* *would increase radiofrequency radiation exposures. > * After decades of unchecked wireless exposures, continued concern > about safety, and three law suits, the FCC is finally reviewing > their obsolete radiofrequency (RF) safety standards, instituted in > 1996 — 17 years ago — but which even back then did not take any > studies past 1986 into consideration. Thousands of studies have > come out since that time, many indicating adverse effects. (See > www.bioinitiative.org) This FCC review affects all aspects of > modern life, from broadcast to broadband, cell phones, wifi, smart > metering — virtually all wireless products and infrastructure. The > CTIA recently released its 2012 year-end survey. There are now > more wireless subscriber connections (326.4 million) in the U.S. > than people, and more than 300,000 cell tower sites. That is a > tremendous amount of RF exposure to the population that simply did > not exist as little as 15 years ago. Concerns over the safety of > this area of the electromagnetic spectrum precede the CTIA and > were long known in the science community. Wheeler, as director of > CTIA, oversaw a $25 million research debacle that ended in more – > not less – controversy, with virtually no research produced. The > project was widely considered in the press to have been a > “manufactured doubt” program, intended to contaminate the database > with negative studies, prevent clearer understanding and > therefore better regulation. Today increasing research from all > over the world indicates possible cancer risks among many other > physiological problems from mobile-phone use, accompanying > infrastructure, and myriad consumer wireless products. In 2012, > the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research > on Cancer (IARC) classified radiofrequency radiation as a 2B > possible carcinogen along with lead, formaldehyde, mercury and > DDT. Many European countries and professional organizations now > recommend the precautionary principle regarding these ubiquitous > exposures, especially for children. Wheeler’s entire professional > career rests on the assumption that the exposures at current > levels are safe, despite mounting evidence to the contrary. The > current FCC standards are based on a high-intensity, short-term > tissue heating model that does not reflect today’s long-term, > low-level, chronic non-tissue-heating exposures found to be every > bit as biologically active. In addition to the FCC’s narrow, > ineffective focus, today’s standards do not take cumulative > exposures from myriad wireless sources functioning at the same > time, such as in the average home or workplace. Plus the FCC > categorically excludes whole swaths of technology from review if > those products meet certain exposure thresholds. The entire model > is completely inadequate to protect the public health. Industry is > pushing to make the standards more lenient. In 2012, the > Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a report after > spending a year researching the health aspects of cell phone usage > that stated the radiation limit needed to be reevaluated. At the > time of the report, the FCC had the SAR (specific absorption rate) > set at 1.6W/kg (the amount of energy absorbed by a unit of > tissue). The FCC reevaluated the radiation limit after the GAO > report was published, and recently published its own response. FCC > states that the SAR limit will stay the same. However, the outer > part of the ear has been reclassified as an “extremity,”*//*a > designation that legally allows it to absorb more radiation under > current specifications. This is going in the wrong direction.// In > 1999, a cheery-picking Wheeler said “responsible scientific > studies hadn’t found a connection.” He will likely maintain that > stance and the public health could be in serious jeopardy, given > the popularity of wireless products. Wheeler would have the > ability to not only relax the standards further and grant more > categorical exclusions to the very industries he has promoted, > funded, and made a fortune from, he would also control any future > recommendations for cell phone exposures, especially among > children who are known to be more susceptible to such damage. > These factors alone should disqualify Wheeler for the > chairmanship. While at the CTIA, Wheeler lobbied hard to make sure > Congress would set no limits on cell phone use of any kind. He’s > not about to stop now. > > *5.* *Wheeler would erode local cell tower siting rights and > endanger public health. *When Wheeler was at CTIA, he was among > the industry architects who wrote Section 704 of the > Telecommunications Act of 1996 that prohibited state and > municipalities from siting towers based on the environmental > effects of radiofrequency radiation – a health and safety > jurisdiction long exercised at the local level. He asked FCC to > preempt all local rights in cell tower siting; make illegal > temporary moratoriums on tower construction while communities > created effective zoning regulations; make it illegal for > communities to require that cell providers prove they are in > compliance with FCC exposure standards; make it illegal to even > mention health or environmental concerns at public hearings – > against First Amendment rights to free speech – and he pushed back > communities seeking legal redress in federal courts. Wheeler’s > appointment would be a blow to what little power is left regarding > state and local rights in their time-honored legal zoning > responsibilities to protect public health, safety, and welfare. > Wheeler would give the telecoms the right to site infrastructure > anywhere, anytime, without local or state review. His appointment > could open new areas of litigation. Unsafe infrastructure siting > potentially endangers public health and property values and > constitutes an illegal taking against the Tenth Amendment of the > U.S. Constitution. > > *6.* *Wheeler would abandon landline networks. *This is a critical > time for FCC decisions that will affect wired v. wireless networks > and all information/entertainment/voice delivery choice for > consumers. Despite Congress’s desire for more diversity in > communications services, Wheeler in 2011 advocated for total > deregulation and to let AT&T buy the smaller wireless competitor > T-Mobile USA Inc. Both the FCC and the U.S. Justice Department > opposed the merger and AT&T abandoned the plan. It is well known > that AT&T wants to abandon its entire landline network in favor of > an all-wireless network – this at a time when safety issues are on > the table regarding wireless exposures. FCC granted them > permission to do that and AT&T is currently trying to enact that > plan in numerous states now, despite the fact that 1-in-5 > Americans rely on landline networks for voice, DSL Internet, and > 911 emergency provisions. Landline networks, proven time and > again, are far more reliable and secure than wireless networks. > Wheeler’s appointment would accelerate, and greatly favor the > wireless industry over the harder, safer landline system. The U.S. > should be favoring fiberoptic networks like countries throughout > Europe and Asia for primary connectivity at all levels. > > *7. * *Wheeler would increase media consolidation. *Further media > consolidation could erode press diversity. As president of the > CTIA, Wheeler in 2001 pushed to eliminate limits on how many > airwaves a company can hold in a given city. The FCC is currently > considering whether to revise the limits again. Wheeler’s > confirmation could further damage media diversity and reduce the > number of independent voices intended by Congress. > > *8.* *Wheeler would decrease consumer choice. *Wheeler has a > decades-long track record of favoring wireless over wired > networks. He will bring that bias to the critical balance in > today’s entertainment/communications market between cabled > networks and wireless companies. He will decrease, rather than > increase, consumer choice – Congress’s clear intent — and push for > deregulation at all levels, using the federal cudgel over state > decision-makers. All wired networks will likely suffer under his bias. > > *9*. *Wheeler would oversee huge spectrum auctions.* If appointed, > Wheeler would oversee 120 megahertz of spectrum auctions of > airwaves to be voluntarily relinquished (at a price) by television > stations after those stations went to digital formats. These are > the public’s airwaves. Originally, that frequency spectrum was > promised to local emergency first responders. But it will now be > auctioned to the major telecoms for 4-G high-speed wireless > Internet service and mobile broadband. This will bring an > increased layer of radiofrequency radiation to the > environment/public at a time when safety concerns are paramount > and the FCC is reviewing its standards. Wheeler would oversee > almost one quarter of the airwaves that Obama set as a national > goal and a huge swath of spectrum would be in the hands of a > consummate industry insider who has fought against the public > interest at every step. > > *10.* *Wheeler is known for cronyism*. On his blog in 2011, he > called AT&T’s Senior Executive Vice President Jim Cicconi, one of > the smartest, shrewdest policy mavens in the capital and added > that merger deliberations could create a new era of wireless > policy according to Cicconi’s ideas. Wheeler will bring this bias > and years of insider relationships to the FCC – against the > public’s best interests. > > *11.* *Wheeler’s appointment would further lower the bar on the > ‘revolving door.’* Reed Hundt, the former FCC Chairman during the > Clinton Administration, serves on Wheeler’s Core Capital Partners > board of advisers – the man whom Wheeler once repeatedly > petitioned for more lax standards and regulations when Wheeler > headed the CTIA. Now both men stand to profit from Wheeler taking > the helm at the FCC and relaxing regulations further. > > *12. **Wheeler’s conflicts perfectly match FCC’s authority**. *At > a time when the FCC has pushed for increased wireless broadband in > rural areas, and Congress has awarded tax payer dollars as > incentives to large communications companies to serve those areas, > Wheeler would be in the position not only to affect the nation’s > infrastructure and radiation exposure standards but to direct all > regulatory power to financially benefit friends and former > clients. FCC regulates broadcasters, cable companies and > telephone-service providers – all of which intersect with > Wheeler’s background. > > Voters should urge the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and > Transportation to reject Tom Wheeler. If Wheeler’s nomination gets out > of committee, voters should petition their Senators to vote against > this cynical power-grab by a longtime industry insider and find a more > suitable candidate. President Obama needs to get the message that our > regulatory agencies are off-limits to conflicted industry insiders > once and for all. Wheeler has long had his camel’s nose under the tent > at the FCC by being on an important FCC’s advisory panel. But it’s one > thing to ask industry insiders what their opinions/preferences are. > It’s another to hand the whole kittenkaboddle over to them. > > Mignon Clyburn, senior Democrat on the FCC commission, will serve as > acting chairwoman until a permanent chair is appointed. Thirty-seven > U.S. Senators in a letter > urged > President Obama to nominate FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel as > chair. She would be the first woman to head that agency. Rosenworcel > has nearly two decades of experience in telecommunications and media > policy in both the public and private sector and received wide > bipartisan support during her confirmation to the FCC last year. She > carries none of the overt conflicts or insider cronyism that Wheeler > does and unlike Wheeler, has a solid background in communications law. > She is acceptable to industry and public interest advocates alike and > would likely be confirmed. Those 37 senators should be urged to stick > to their guns and to enlist their colleagues to support her. The first > step is to reject Tom Wheeler. We can — and should — do better than this. > > /*B. Blake Levitt* is an award-winning medical/science journalist, > former New York Times contributor; author, Electromagnetic Fields, A > Consumer’s Guide to the Issues and How to Protect Ourselves > ; > and editor, Cell Towers Wireless Convenience? Or Environmental Hazard? > > (www.blakelevitt.com)/ > > /*Wheeler’s nomination must first pass the U.S. Senate Committee on > Commerce, Science and Transportation, chaired by Senator Jay > Rockefeller (D) West Virginia, before going to the full Senate for a > vote./ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Revised list of Volunteers are as follows: > > Volunteers for the NomCom for the 2013 Appeals Team renewal > =========================================================== > 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar > 2) Jeremy Malcolm > 3) José Félix Arias Ynche > 4) Kerry Brown > 5) Avri Doria > 6) Sarah Kiden > 7) Shaila Mistry > 8) José Francisco Callo Romero > 9) Carlos Vera Quintana > 10) Izumi AIZU > 11) Adam Peake > 12) Angela Daly > > > For those who would like to volunteer please email: < > coordinators at igcaucus.org>. The next update will be in the coming week. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Warm Greetings! We need 25 names before the draw can be initiated. >> >> As of today, here are the list of volunteers: >> >> 1. Chaitanya Dhareshwar; >> 2. Jeremy Malcolm; >> 3. Shaila Mistry; >> 4.Deirdre Williams; >> 5.J.F Callo; >> 6.Carlos Vera Quintana >> 7.Thomas Lowenhaupt >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Sala >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >>> months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >>> process for renewing the Appeals Team. >>> >>> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >>> >>> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >>> task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >>> chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >>> >>> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively >>> small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of >>> the new Appeals Team. >>> >>> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >>> preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >>> 2013. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> >>> -- >>> Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: >>> 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >>> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro het volgende > geschreven: > > Dear All, > > Warm Greetings to you all. This is to advise that we need eleven (11) more > names/volunteers before we can facilitate the draw. Thanks to all those for > volunteering and the current list of names are as follows:- > > 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar > > 2) Jeremy Malcolm > 3) José Félix Arias Ynche > > 4) Kerry Brown > 5) Avri Doria > 6) Sarah Kiden > 7) Shaila Mistry > 8) José Francisco Callo Romero > > 9) Carlos Vera Quintana > 10) Izumi AIZU > 11) Adam Peake > 12) Angela Daly > > 13) Mwendwa Kivuva > > 14) Keith Davidson > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively > small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of > the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > Blog: > > > -- Sent from iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sun May 12 07:53:41 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:53:41 +0900 Subject: [governance] advisors added to WG on enhanced cooperation? In-Reply-To: <600D020E-B88D-4FF8-B91A-FE7025755DF3@gmail.com> References: <486A9753-802D-4DA0-8B0A-8448335BD8DB@ella.com> <20130510180623.16edc880@quill.bollow.ch> <1822CAEE-1FB5-47B2-83B0-0BF5B371B8B1@uzh.ch> <20130511145837.32603854@quill.bollow.ch> <0B328CB2-06B6-4434-B4CF-DEED2F1E196B@uzh.ch> <600D020E-B88D-4FF8-B91A-FE7025755DF3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sala, Suggestion was that one of the WG members ask, not the IGC or coordinators. And that was done, and we have seen Peter Major's reply. And that's good. Best, Adam On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Hi, > > It would be a bad idea to write a letter to try and talk about openness. The chair has his discretion as to who he wishes to invite to his meeting. The fact that we have representatives on the WG already is sufficient. > > Also when Norbert wrote a letter to another stakeholder in his capacity, he came under fire. It would be unfair to get him to do the same thing now. > > Besides, we do not even know if there are advisors who have been brought in. For all we know, there are observers. > > Kind Regards, > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 12, 2013, at 9:59 PM, William Drake wrote: > >> Hi Norbert, >> >> On May 11, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>> William Drake wrote: >>> >>>> But it'd also be nice >>>> if there was a letter to Peter from the coordinators on behalf of >>>> the IGC saying we believe the meeting should be open to silent >>>> observers generally (it's unlikely there'd be an unmanageable >>>> flood). Even better if such a letter was coordinated with other CS >>>> coalitions, or even other stakeholder groups. Then he'd have >>>> something to reference when raising the issue with WG >>>> members—preferably in advance of the meeting. Any reason we can't do >>>> this? >>> >>> Since at least so far, no-one has spoken out against writing such a >>> letter, I think it's likely that such a letter should reach consensus >>> or at least rough consensus. So I think that there's no reason at all >>> not to do this. >>> >>> Hence I'd suggest that this just needs someone to go ahead and start >>> drafting it... >>> >>> *Looking around for volunteers* >> >> If the letter's coming from you a coordinator, why not just draft it rather than wait for a group to form? One paragraph saying the meeting should be open and transparent. >> >> We have no caucus meeting scheduled during the IGF week per usual, no caucus input to the WTPF, no caucus input to the IGF meeting, and no caucus input to the WGEC. Shouldn't such things get priority over concocting speech codes for the list etc? >> >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From judith at jhellerstein.com Sun May 12 08:49:03 2013 From: judith at jhellerstein.com (Judith Hellerstein) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:49:03 -0400 Subject: [governance] MAG said to be renewed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <715FE97C-D4D1-40F3-965E-7891C281EA3C@jhellerstein.com> All Bill's link for the 2013 MAG members works today for me. Thanks for posting it. Judith Sent from my iPad Judith at jhellerstein.com Skype ID: judithhellerstein On May 12, 2013, at 5:42 AM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > The UN announced two days ago that the MAG has been renewed, 56 members, 15 new. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2013/pi2058.doc.htm However, the link provided for the list of members, http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/121-preparatory-process/1290-mag-2013, yields 404 - Article #1290 not found, and there's nothing else on the IGF site. Presumably this will be fixed tomorrow. > > Cheers > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, > ICANN, www.ncuc.org > william.drake at uzh.ch > www.williamdrake.org > *********************************************************** > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 12 13:44:06 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 23:14:06 +0530 Subject: [governance] Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <518FD4E6.4020003@itforchange.net> On Friday 10 May 2013 02:08 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Are there any objections to IGC endorsing this statement? Are we moving on this... or contributing anything else to WTPF...... I support IGC endorsing this.. parminder > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > Am Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 > schrieb Jeremy Malcolm : > >> On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >>> On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: >>>> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, >>>> or just organizations with paid staff? >>> Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either >>> (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression >>> came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. >> Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! >> >> http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ >> >> Full text is below: >> >> We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the >> ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to >> implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and >> protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. >> >> These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet >> governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy >> topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, >> openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and >> security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in >> particular freedom of expression. >> >> We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal >> Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These >> begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key >> internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; >> the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of >> transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to >> address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move >> forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. >> >> Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s >> framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet >> achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring >> to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF >> facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and >> authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring >> all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the >> national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for >> civil society to express their views, for example through an online >> platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through >> speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as >> providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the >> WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables >> participation by all, including persons with disabilities. >> >> Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts >> toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, >> and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. >> We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these >> policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve >> the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public >> interest and fundamental human rights. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Sun May 12 13:47:46 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:47:46 -0300 Subject: [governance] Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: <518FD4E6.4020003@itforchange.net> References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> <518FD4E6.4020003@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <518FD5C2.2010904@cafonso.ca> Nupef (BR) is endorsing this. --c.a. On 05/12/2013 02:44 PM, parminder wrote: > > On Friday 10 May 2013 02:08 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Are there any objections to IGC endorsing this statement? > > Are we moving on this... or contributing anything else to WTPF...... > > I support IGC endorsing this.. > > parminder >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> >> Am Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 >> schrieb Jeremy Malcolm : >> >>> On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >>>> On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: >>>>> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, >>>>> or just organizations with paid staff? >>>> Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either >>>> (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression >>>> came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. >>> Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! >>> >>> http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ >>> >>> Full text is below: >>> >>> We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the >>> ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to >>> implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and >>> protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. >>> >>> These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet >>> governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy >>> topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, >>> openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and >>> security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in >>> particular freedom of expression. >>> >>> We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal >>> Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These >>> begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key >>> internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; >>> the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of >>> transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to >>> address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move >>> forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. >>> >>> Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s >>> framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet >>> achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring >>> to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF >>> facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and >>> authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring >>> all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the >>> national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for >>> civil society to express their views, for example through an online >>> platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through >>> speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as >>> providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the >>> WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables >>> participation by all, including persons with disabilities. >>> >>> Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts >>> toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, >>> and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. >>> We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these >>> policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve >>> the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public >>> interest and fundamental human rights. > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun May 12 14:47:31 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:47:31 -0700 Subject: [governance] FW: [A2k] Mike Masnick: IPO Association Against Helping The Blind Because It Would 'Set A Dangerous Precedent' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09ec01ce4f41$31f4d300$95de7900$@gmail.com> -----Original Message----- From: A2k [mailto:a2k-bounces at lists.keionline.org] On Behalf Of Manon Ress Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 11:34 AM To: a2k discuss list Subject: [A2k] Mike Masnick: IPO Association Against Helping The Blind Because It Would 'Set A Dangerous Precedent' Intellectual Property Owners Association Against Helping The Blind Because It Would 'Set A Dangerous Precedent' from the encouraging-rights-for-the-public-would-do-what-now? dept by Mike Masnick Wed, May 8th 2013 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130507/00585822974/intellectual-property -owners-association-against-helping-blind-because-it-would-set-dangerous-pre cedent.shtml#comments We've been covering the latest efforts by copyright maximalists to screw over the blind in the decades-in-waiting WIPO treaty process to help them get more access to content by creating clear carveouts in copyright law that protect the rights of the blind and of those who are transforming works for the blind. Basically, it's about protecting the fundamental rights of the blind to have access to information that others have because they have sight. This process has gone on for ages, in large part because copyright maximalists absolutely fear the idea that anyone might put forth an agreement that ever so slightly pushes back on the maximalist agenda. The amazing thing is that they're not even subtle about this. Last year, we noted that in a video by Jamie Love showing Alan Adler, a VP for the Association of American Publishers, Adler was quite upfront about the fact that they're against this agreement for the blind not because of the blind folks who need the help, but rather because they're afraid of even opening the door to expanding things like fair use -- which he claims is some sort of attack on copyright. Jamie Love has now called our attention to a letter sent by the Intellectual Property Owners Association (IPO) to Teresa Stanek Rea, the Acting Under Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property and the Director of the USPTO, concerning this treaty, in which the IPO is equally explicit that its main complaint is any expansion of user rights like fair use is simply not acceptable. From the full letter, which is also embedded below: IPO supports international action that addresses the needs of the visually impaired in meaningful ways, but we are concerned about the VIP treaty as currently drafted, focused exclusively on L/Es and not on the rights holders whose copyrights are at stake. We are also concerned about the potentially negative, precedential effect that a one-sided, exceptions-focused VIP treaty may have on parallel developments at WIPO and in other international negotiations This is all sorts of hilarious. After all, the folks at IPO have long supported incredibly one-sided agreements that only focus on the expansion of copyright, and they're among those who have actively fought any attempt to include user rights (they prefer to call them "limitations and exceptions") in such agreements. So for them to suddenly step up and complain that this one small, narrowly focused agreement is a problem because it "only" focuses on such things, without regards to their "rights holders whose copyrights are at stake" is pretty funny. Why has IPO never been concerned about the rights of the public and users in every other such agreement? Our main concern about the VIP treaty, as currently drafted, is that it addresses L/Es to copyrights in isolation, without parallel provisions addressing IP holders' rights. The proposed VIP treaty would create specific L/Es to copyright protection, with the aim of broadening access to print works for the visually impaired. However, it would not reflect the importance of protecting the copyright of those who created the work. Okay, so simple question for the IPO folks: in all future agreements that it supports, will it agree to support a "balance" that addresses user rights, rather than focusing on "copyrights in isolation without parallel provisions addressing users rights?" The idea that the "rights" here are only one way and must be constantly ratcheted up is disingenuous and somewhat sickening. It's this position that has kept the blind community from having access to all sorts of works for decades. And during those decades, folks like IPO have supported all sorts of incredibly one-sided expansions to copyright law without concerns for any public or user rights. -- Manon Ress Knowledge Ecology International manon.ress at keionline.org tel.: +1 202 332 2670 _______________________________________________ A2k mailing list A2k at lists.keionline.org http://lists.keionline.org/mailman/listinfo/a2k_lists.keionline.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nne75 at yahoo.com Mon May 13 01:47:06 2013 From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Remote Participation for WSIS+10 Message-ID: <1368424026.64886.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>  Here: http://www.itu.int/wsis/implementation/2013/forum/remoteparticipation/adobe_connect.asp N Nnenna  Nwakanma |  Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG  |  Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax  224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fifth Global E-Governance Survey' of the performance of municipal e-governance was conducted jointly by the E-Governance Institute in the School of Public Affairs and Administration at Rutgers University-Newark and the Department of Political Science at Kent State University. The survey evaluated websites of around 100 municipalities worldwide in terms of privacy, usability, content, services, and citizen and social engagement, and ranked the cities on a global scale. Co-sponsored by the Public Technology Institute. As a direct result of the innovative use of e-governance, top ranked municipalities provide their citizens with opportunities to participate in governmental processes, including well-organized and systematic opportunities to submit their ideas and suggestions on proposed policies via policy forums, enabling government administrators and elected officials to respond directly to citizen action when establishing public policies http://publiccommons.ca/public/uploads/literature/Digital_Governance_in_Municipalities_Worldwide_2011-12.pdf *Top 20 Cities in Digital Governance Worldwide* *Ranking City, Score* 1 Seoul 82.23 2 Toronto 64.31 3 Madrid 63.63 4 Prague 61.72 5 Hong Kong 60.81 6 New York 60.49 7 Stockholm 60.26 8 Bratislava 56.74 9 London 56.19 10 Shanghai 55.49 11 Vilnius 55.35 12 Vienna 54.79 13 Helsinki 54.22 14 Auckland 53.19 15 Dubai 53.18 16 Singapore 52.21 17 Moscow 51.77 18 Copenhagen 50.06 19 Yerevan 49.97 20 Paris 48.65 http://publiccommons.ca/public/uploads/literature/Digital_Governance_in_Municipalities_Worldwide_2011-12.pdf Narine Khachatryan Media Education Center www.safe.am www.immasin.am www.mediaeducation.am -- Media Education Center www.safe.am www.immasin.am www.mediaeducation.am -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. > > > > Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! > > > > http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ > > > > Full text is below: > > > > We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the > > ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to > > implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and > > protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. > > > > These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet > > governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy > > topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, > > openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and > > security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in > > particular freedom of expression. > > > > We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal > > Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These > > begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key > > internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; > > the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of > > transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to > > address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move > > forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. > > > > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s > > framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet > > achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring > > to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF > > facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and > > authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring > > all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the > > national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for > > civil society to express their views, for example through an online > > platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through > > speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as > > providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the > > WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables > > participation by all, including persons with disabilities. > > > > Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts > > toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, > > and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. > > We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these > > policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve > > the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public > > interest and fundamental human rights. > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. 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But if we use our imaginations, our possibilities become limitless” NAME: VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA CONTACT: +256 773307045 / +256 713307045 / +256 753307045 EMAIL:aliama.vincent at cit.mak.ac.ug / vinsolo15 at yahoo.co.uk /vinsoloster at gmail.com Skype : vinsolo2 ________________________________ From: Rudi Vansnick To: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 12:05 Subject: Re: [governance] Update NomCom for Appeals Team renewal Dear Sala, You may add my name to the list of volunteers. Kind regards, Rudi Vansnick Op 12-mei-2013, om 06:28 heeft Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro het volgende geschreven: Dear All, > > >Warm Greetings to you all. This is to advise that we need eleven (11) more names/volunteers before we can facilitate the draw. Thanks to all those for volunteering and the current list of names are as follows:- > > > > 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar  > 2) Jeremy Malcolm  > 3) José Félix Arias Ynche  > 4) Kerry Brown  > 5) Avri Doria  > 6) Sarah Kiden  > 7) Shaila Mistry  > 8) José Francisco Callo Romero  > 9) Carlos Vera Quintana  >10) Izumi AIZU  >11) Adam Peake  >12) Angela Daly  >13) Mwendwa Kivuva >14) Keith Davidson > > >Kind Regards, >Sala > > >> >>On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>[with IGC coordinator hat on] >>> >>>Dear all, >>> >>>as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >>>months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >>>process for renewing the Appeals Team. >>> >>>Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >>>http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >>> >>>We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >>>task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >>>chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >>> >>>Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively >>>small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of >>>the new Appeals Team. >>> >>>If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >>>preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >>>2013. >>> >>>Greetings, >>>Norbert >>> >>>-- >>>Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: >>>1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >>>2. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 13 04:41:46 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:41:46 +0200 Subject: [governance] Summary on IGC statement proposals Message-ID: <20130513104146.02a9ad14@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] Dear all According to by current best understanding (comments welcome!!!) here's the current status and thoughts on what may be a reasonable path forward, in regard to the various pending proposals for IGC statements. I've tried to sort them in order of urgency. 1) Proposal to endorse the BestBits statement on WTPF No drafting of a statement text required (IGC would simply sign on to the statement that has already been drafted.) Several IGC members have expressed support, no-one has opposed (yet?) I think that it is reasonable for the coordinators to set a deadline by which any opposition would need to be voiced, and if then no opposition is voiced by that deadline, the proposal will be deemed to have been approved by consensus. 2) Proposal for an IGC letter to request general openness of WGEC to silent observers. Since only a short text is needed, and the wording is unlikely to be particularly contentious, I'd propose that no particular infrastructure is needed to support wordsmithing, someone can simply propose text and we can move on from there. 3) Open letter to IGC endorsing criticism of digital restrictions management in HTml standards Since only a short text is needed, and the wording is unlikely to be particularly contentious, I'd propose that no particular infrastructure is needed to support wordsmithing, someone can simply propose text and we can move on from there. 4) Proposal for an IGC statement on a "public good" perspective of the Internet. The has been significant discussion and a draft text has been developed. There is not full consensus in support of this draft text. As most members of the caucus have been silent and only very few have voiced opposition, it is not clear from the discussions whether there is rough consensus. Those who oppose the draft statement have been invited to propose textual changes that would take their concerns into consideration and move the proposal closer to full consensus. I think that a reasonable path forward would be for the coordinators to set a deadline by which those who still oppose the current draft are invited to propose changes that could potentially bring us closer to full consensus. If no such changes are proposed by that deadline, it would then be appropriate to organize a poll to help determine whether there is rough consensus. 4) Proposed statement on RFC 6852 No text has been proposed yet. If someone wishes to move work on this forward, please say so, and I'll set up a work area for an initial informal drafting process, the result of which can thereafter be the starting point of a formal consensus process. Have I forgotten something? Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 13 04:44:02 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:44:02 +0200 Subject: Fw: [governance] Statement on WTPF Message-ID: <20130513104402.18ffdad7@quill.bollow.ch> Jeremy, by what day and time should a potential IGC decision to endorse this have been made, in order to still be maximally useful? Greetings, Norbert Beginn der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: Datum: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:38:42 +0200 Von: Norbert Bollow An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Betreff: [governance] Statement on WTPF [with IGC coordinator hat on] Are there any objections to IGC endorsing this statement? Greetings, Norbert Am Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 schrieb Jeremy Malcolm : > On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: > >> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this time, > >> or just organizations with paid staff? > > > > Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either > > (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression > > came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. > > Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! > > http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ > > Full text is below: > > We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to the > ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member states to > implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and uphold and > protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. > > These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet > governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy > topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, > openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and > security must be considered through the framework of human rights, in > particular freedom of expression. > > We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal > Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. These > begin to address important goals, including the expansion of key > internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in need; > the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the promotion of > transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather than seeking to > address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move > forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions. > > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s > framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet > achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In endeavoring > to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical that the WTPF > facilitate civil society’s participation as an independent and > authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and future fora, bring > all stakeholders together to work on implementing WTPF opinions at the > national, regional, and global levels. This means creating spaces for > civil society to express their views, for example through an online > platform for comment that is part of the official WTPF record, through > speaking rights as was done during the WSIS process, as well as > providing for both remote participation and live webcasting of the > WTPF meeting. Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables > participation by all, including persons with disabilities. > > Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts > toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, > and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these opinions. > We look forward to working together with the ITU as it pursues these > policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure that can achieve > the goals articulated herein in a manner consistent with the public > interest and fundamental human rights. -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Mon May 13 04:47:18 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:47:18 +0900 Subject: [governance] Summary on IGC statement proposals In-Reply-To: <20130513104146.02a9ad14@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130513104146.02a9ad14@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: What is the current text of "4) Proposal for an IGC statement on a "public good" perspective of the Internet." Discussion seems about equal for and against both the text and how it might be used. Adam On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all > > According to by current best understanding (comments welcome!!!) here's > the current status and thoughts on what may be a reasonable path > forward, in regard to the various pending proposals for IGC statements. > > I've tried to sort them in order of urgency. > > > 1) Proposal to endorse the BestBits statement on WTPF > > No drafting of a statement text required (IGC would simply sign on to > the statement that has already been drafted.) > > Several IGC members have expressed support, no-one has opposed (yet?) > > I think that it is reasonable for the coordinators to set a deadline > by which any opposition would need to be voiced, and if then no > opposition is voiced by that deadline, the proposal will be deemed to > have been approved by consensus. > > > 2) Proposal for an IGC letter to request general openness of WGEC to > silent observers. > > Since only a short text is needed, and the wording is unlikely to be > particularly contentious, I'd propose that no particular infrastructure > is needed to support wordsmithing, someone can simply propose text and > we can move on from there. > > > 3) Open letter to IGC endorsing criticism of digital restrictions > management in HTml standards > > Since only a short text is needed, and the wording is unlikely to be > particularly contentious, I'd propose that no particular infrastructure > is needed to support wordsmithing, someone can simply propose text and > we can move on from there. > > > 4) Proposal for an IGC statement on a "public good" perspective of the > Internet. > > The has been significant discussion and a draft text has been developed. > There is not full consensus in support of this draft text. As most > members of the caucus have been silent and only very few have voiced > opposition, it is not clear from the discussions whether there is > rough consensus. Those who oppose the draft statement have been > invited to propose textual changes that would take their concerns into > consideration and move the proposal closer to full consensus. > > I think that a reasonable path forward would be for the coordinators > to set a deadline by which those who still oppose the current draft > are invited to propose changes that could potentially bring us closer > to full consensus. If no such changes are proposed by that deadline, it > would then be appropriate to organize a poll to help determine whether > there is rough consensus. > > > 4) Proposed statement on RFC 6852 > > No text has been proposed yet. > > If someone wishes to move work on this forward, please say so, and > I'll set up a work area for an initial informal drafting process, the > result of which can thereafter be the starting point of a formal > consensus process. > > > Have I forgotten something? > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 13 04:53:43 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:53:43 +0200 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <5A26CE78-7DBC-4682-8B0F-91010892B08C@ella.com> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> <20130511221357.759282a5@quill.bollow.ch> <5A26CE78-7DBC-4682-8B0F-91010892B08C@ella.com> Message-ID: <20130513105343.09c489ae@quill.bollow.ch> Avri Doria wrote: > good point, but re; > > > Further, those who hold the keys to those mechanisms (in particular, > > the encryption keys) are not likely to allow them be used on Free > > Software operating systems > > Is this really the case? In view of all the effort that has gone into developing and deploying "trusted platform module" hardware to support locking things down, I think it extremely implausible that the proponents of DRM would allow the glaring hole in the fence around DRM-encumbered content to exist that would be constituted by allowed the locked-down content to be accessed on Free Software operating systems -- unless of course perhaps temporarily for tactical reasons during initial phases of marketing the stuff before it has become generally accepted (in order to minimize the opposition) or because they're forced to do so by regulation (but in view of the generally low market share of Free Software operating systems, how likely is it for governments to take regularatory action to prevent the extinction of Free Software operating systems as a viable option for general purpose use?) Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon May 13 04:54:46 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:54:46 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: <20130513104402.18ffdad7@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130513104402.18ffdad7@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <15633751-67BF-4F72-BF8C-1A3476A46422@ciroap.org> On 13/05/2013, at 10:44 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > by what day and time should a potential IGC decision to endorse this > have been made, in order to still be maximally useful? The WTPF begins tomorrow, so, by the end of today. As this may not be feasible, the option of individual endorsements remains. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As this may not be feasible, the option of individual endorsements remains. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 13 05:27:29 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:27:29 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: <15633751-67BF-4F72-BF8C-1A3476A46422@ciroap.org> References: <20130513104402.18ffdad7@quill.bollow.ch> <15633751-67BF-4F72-BF8C-1A3476A46422@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <20130513112729.5f1c636d@quill.bollow.ch> Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 13/05/2013, at 10:44 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > by what day and time should a potential IGC decision to endorse this > > have been made, in order to still be maximally useful? > > The WTPF begins tomorrow, so, by the end of today. As this may not > be feasible, the option of individual endorsements remains. Given that I've issued a formal "with hat on" call on Friday to voice any opposition, and no opposition has been voiced since then, I think that it may be appropriate to proceed to set the latest reasonably possible deadline and declare it a decision if no opposition is voiced by then. If however someone opposes, it is true that we won't have time to have any process for trying to resolve the concerns that would be raised, and/or have a rough consensus process, so in that case IGC won't be signing on. BTW for specificy, the statement is at http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 13 05:45:26 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:45:26 +0200 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> <20130511221357.759282a5@quill.bollow.ch> <5A26CE78-7DBC-4682-8B0F-91010892B08C@ella.com> Message-ID: <20130513114526.656b36b5@quill.bollow.ch> McTim wrote: > If Members feel strongly about this, then perhaps joining the W3c > HTML5 WG might be more effective. It might be more effective still to do that *and* in addition write and dissiminate a statement that explains the concerns, as well as W3C's processes and the necessary skills for effective participation in W3C WGs, and calls on civil society organizations who agree with the points of concern to engage through the relevant processes of W3C. I agree that in comparison to actually working through the available processes, endorsing a petition is not likely to have a great effect. On the other hand, endorsing a petition is also much less work than engaging in a technical WG. So I think that the likely greater effectiveness of engaging in the HTML5 WG is not a valid reason for IGC not to endorse the petition, as was proposed. Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon May 13 05:55:21 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:25:21 +0530 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards In-Reply-To: <20130513114526.656b36b5@quill.bollow.ch> References: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23C6832@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <743B17E3C56A4056B20E67ADB767EA79@Toshiba> <20130429000016.0fd58cf6@quill.bollow.ch> <84F4775D-5F19-4A7C-94DE-B89D1FECC629@acm.org> <20130510104628.17336c5f@quill.bollow.ch> <518DBCDA.7090908@itforchange.net> <518DF2A4.405@itforchange.net> <20130511164516.58c9da4d@quill.bollow.ch> <518EA058.5060804@catherine-roy.net> <20130511221357.759282a5@quill.bollow.ch> <5A26CE78-7DBC-4682-8B0F-91010892B08C@ella.com> <20130513114526.656b36b5@quill.bollow.c h> Message-ID: <4AF0F914-654A-473D-AA7F-C55942F5D97B@hserus.net> That would possibly be equivalent to endorsing something without actually understanding it in enough detail to make an informed decision? --srs (iPad) On 13-May-2013, at 15:15, Norbert Bollow wrote: > McTim wrote: > >> If Members feel strongly about this, then perhaps joining the W3c >> HTML5 WG might be more effective. > > It might be more effective still to do that *and* in addition write and > dissiminate a statement that explains the concerns, as well as W3C's > processes and the necessary skills for effective participation in W3C > WGs, and calls on civil society organizations who agree with the points > of concern to engage through the relevant processes of W3C. > > I agree that in comparison to actually working through the available > processes, endorsing a petition is not likely to have a great effect. > On the other hand, endorsing a petition is also much less work than > engaging in a technical WG. > > So I think that the likely greater effectiveness of engaging in the > HTML5 WG is not a valid reason for IGC not to endorse the petition, as > was proposed. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Mon May 13 07:25:54 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:25:54 +0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: "Chengetai Masango" > Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal > Date: May 13, 2013 1:10:16 PM GMT+02:00 > To: > > Dear All, > > As a quick response, please find below the list of incoming and outgoing MAG members including the stakeholder group they fall under. As many of you know some nominees can arguably claim to be from more than one stakeholder group and also get their names recommended by members of more than one stakeholder constituency. > > Incoming MAG Members > > Name > Stakeholder Group > Ms. Ebenmelu, Nkiru Lynda > Government > Mr. Kossi, Amessinou > Government > Mr. Chen, Hongbing > Government > Ms. del Castilho, Angelic > Government > Mr. Zafar, Iqbal Qadir > Government > Mr. Milashevsky, Igor > Government > Ms. Alexander, Fiona > Government > Ms. Ankhi, Das > Private Sector > Mr. Soboutipour, Shahram > Private Sector > Mr. Ala, Musi > Private Sector > Mr. Ryan, Patrick > Private Sector > Ms. Desiree, Zachariah > Civil Society > Ms. Cambronero, Fátima > Civil Society > Ms. Chalmers, Susan > Technical Community > Ms. Chaturvedi, Subi > Media /Civil Society > > > Outgoing MAG Members > > Mr. Hilali, Aziz > Government > Ms. Diop Diagne, Ndeya Maimouna > Government > Mr. Zhao, Chunlu > Government > Ms. Pineiro, Lorena > Government > Mr. Cecil McCain > Government > Mr. Dewapura, Reshan > Government > Mr. Khimchenko, Igor > Government > Ms. Dryden, Heather > Government > Mr. Masanobu, Katoh > Private Sector > Mr. Sha’ban, Charles > Private Sector > Mr. Jamil, Zahid > Private Sector > Ms. Warren, Jennifer > Private Sector > Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > Civil Society > Ms. Selaiman, Graciela > Civil Society > Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani > Technical Community > > > _______________________________________________ > igf_members mailing list > igf_members at intgovforum.org > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org ********************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake at uzh.ch www.williamdrake.org *********************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Mon May 13 09:49:05 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 19:19:05 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Comments asking ICANN to deny application for .pharmacy registration In-Reply-To: <5157ADF9.9060202@apc.org> References: <5157ADF9.9060202@apc.org> Message-ID: <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> On Sunday 31 March 2013 09:01 AM, joy wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Rashmi - for those who are following this, here is the link to the > ICANN independent objector's recent comment on closed generics: > http://www.independent-objector-newgtlds.org/english-version/the-issue-of-closed-generic-gtlds/ It is surprising to what elegantly logical length people can go to shirk responsibility.... It seems to be written all over the report that 'closed generic' TLDs are bad for public interest, but it is amusing how the Independent Objector (IO) wriggles out of the responsibility of having to do anything about them. But ok, let me give the IO the benefit of doubt... If the IO is indeed right that he cant object as per the limited criteria laid by ICANN for objections, than ICANN has to be wrong, Wrong in developing inappropriately limited criteria which can be grounds for objection against TLD allocation... Both cant be right! In fact, it is really surprising the extent to which people within what is called as the ICANN community seem to agree that 'closed generic' TLDs are not quite right but still insist that it is somehow someone else's responsibility to do something about it... All kinds of 'technical' reasons are given why nothing can be done, including that it is too late to do anything.... Saving the ICANN boat from being rocked appears to be a bigger concern than protecting public interest. This over zealous in-group solidarity is one of 'ICANN community's' biggest failings. parminder > it is also worth looking at the opinions given in relation to > "controversial" gTLD applications such as dotgay and dotislam among > others: > http://www.independent-objector-newgtlds.org/english-version/home/ > Regards > Joy > > On 15/03/2013 3:15 a.m., Rashmi Rangnath wrote: >> All: >> >> I thought many of you may be interested in this application that >> Public Citizen filed opposing the National Association of Boards of >> Pharmacy's (NABP) application for the .pharmacy TLD. Public Citizen >> is concerned that the registration would allow the NABP to exclude >> licensed pharmacies located in Canada from acquiring domain names >> under .pharmacy. This would prevent access to affordable medicines >> for many in the US. >> >> A link to Public Citizen's comments is here: >> https://gtldcomment.icann.org/comments-feedback/applicationcomment/commentdetails/12145-- >> >> >> Best, >> >> Rashmi >> >> Rashmi Rangnath Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff >> Attorney Public Knowledge 1818 N Street NW Suite 410 Washington, >> D.C. 20036 202 861 0020 rrangnath at publicknowledge.org >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRV635AAoJEA9zUGgfM+bq8egH/2hQ1/NvJsIH1ru5F6hqOM19 > pUOTD9uEXYeONEO0oUOWiI/dQluR7aI4kWvFLOMtTlMklDtqfE7uAg1Q/sxZfTtC > yRms/I7BtyoeN7yyvEVF7hB+vZoxnQRdCDPAIqNCIuemHeR8cVI0SuTnIqvGkwTs > lbk/zlGXgtF3G5BUIW0t+uAkLlvz3KytxoEO70NsghZ6TUEXtPCRLjGNmmL9LfJO > H/BcvuEz2hSjaxhUlGeUAsr1mWoNJy2h2kgGJWyQFakjQDe/o7LYAg58zNQnZiDX > hWoGipCzvEWq24ykwc3kIU34Q/w8kJgt2oph9sVUloughyqabI4pFt+uie77Bmc= > =X6RY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Mon May 13 10:11:09 2013 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:11:09 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Comments asking ICANN to deny application for .pharmacy registration In-Reply-To: <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> References: <5157ADF9.9060202@apc.org> <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23D3B83@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Parminder you have completely missed the point. In a rather disturbing way. > -----Original Message----- > It is surprising to what elegantly logical length people can go to shirk > responsibility.... It seems to be written all over the report that > 'closed generic' TLDs are bad for public interest, but it is amusing how > the Independent Objector (IO) wriggles out of the responsibility of > having to do anything about them. The IO said that the specific, limited criteria on which he is allowed to object do not allow him to object to a TLD simply because it is a closed generic. He is correct. What is disturbing about your response is that you apparently want the IO to arbitrarily and unilaterally decide what is in the "public interest" - an undefined and almost inherently undefinable term - and then impose it on us, without any process or any checks and balances. And you want this because YOU have decided that closed generics are bad. The distinction here is between rule of law and arbitrary rule. So you need to understand that "democratic governance" means neither rule of momentary majorities, mobs, or powerful individuals acting arbitrarily based on whatever they feel is in the public interest. It means laws and policies made through a representative and participatory process, constrained by due process and individual rights. It is disappointing that you just want a populist dictator to impose the 'right' decision, 'right' being defined as whatever you want. And of course, when someone exploits that arbitrary power to do something you don't like, you will scream about violation of process and how ICANN is undemocratic. But you are revealing your true colors here. It is in fact a common problem with so-called "progressives," they don't have a very deep understanding of how and why one needs to constrain power, they just believe that if you give the 'right people' with the right ideas (i.e., their ideas) absolute power then everything will be fine. > In fact, it is really surprising the extent to which people within what > is called as the ICANN community seem to agree that 'closed generic' > TLDs are not quite right but still insist that it is somehow someone > else's responsibility to do something about it... All kinds of No, in the public comments it is obvious that the arguments against closed generics were weak and rhetorical. The arguments for allowing the closed generic model as one of many possible models of managing a TLD were clearly more intelligently argued. The anti-closed generic arguments relied entirely on fear-based claims about monopoly power which had no basis in economic facts or theory, or anti-corporate rhetoric, or the attempts of business competitors attempting to hamstring a rival. The whole thing was pretty comical. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Mon May 13 10:35:28 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:35:28 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Comments asking ICANN to deny application for .pharmacy registration In-Reply-To: <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> References: <5157ADF9.9060202@apc.org> <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi Parminder, On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:49 AM, parminder wrote: > > On Sunday 31 March 2013 09:01 AM, joy wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi Rashmi - for those who are following this, here is the link to the >> ICANN independent objector's recent comment on closed generics: >> http://www.independent-**objector-newgtlds.org/english-** >> version/the-issue-of-closed-**generic-gtlds/ >> > > It is surprising to what elegantly logical length people can go to shirk > responsibility.... It seems to be written all over the report that 'closed > generic' TLDs are bad for public interest Maybe you should read it again? "Indeed, I have strong doubts that the question of closed gTLDs is related to the problematic of public order: the issue might be linked to commercial interests, it is not directly linked with the freedom of expression." > , but it is amusing how the Independent Objector (IO) wriggles out of the > responsibility of having to do anything about them. > > But ok, let me give the IO the benefit of doubt... If the IO is indeed > right that he cant object as per the limited criteria laid by ICANN for > objections, than ICANN has to be wrong, Wrong in developing > inappropriately limited criteria which can be grounds for objection against > TLD allocation... Both cant be right! > sure they can. > > In fact, it is really surprising the extent to which people within what is > called as the ICANN community seem to agree that 'closed generic' TLDs are > not quite right some do, I'm not sure that is the majority view however. > but still insist that it is somehow someone else's responsibility to do > something about it... pot... kettle. You are welcome to file an objection to .pharmacy if you'd like. The way forward is outlined in the Guidebook. > All kinds of 'technical' reasons are given why nothing can be done, > including that it is too late to do anything.... Saving the ICANN boat from > being rocked appears to be a bigger concern than protecting public interest. public interest as you see it you mean. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon May 13 11:01:36 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:01:36 +0200 Subject: [governance] APPROVED: Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <20130513170136.6abb54c7@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] In view of the urgency of this matter (WTPF is after all starting tomorrow), the co-coordinators have decided to call consensus on the proposal for IGC endorsement of this statement. In view of the absence of objections to the statement, and the fact that it has been before the IGC for more than 48 hours with a formal ("with hat on") call to voice any objections, we conclude that the conditions are satisfied to find that the statement has the support of the IGC. Greetings, Norbert Norbert Bollow wrote on Fri, 10 May 2013 10:38:42 +0200: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Are there any objections to IGC endorsing this statement? > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > Am Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 > schrieb Jeremy Malcolm : > > > On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > > On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: > > >> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this > > >> time, or just organizations with paid staff? > > > > > > Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either > > > (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression > > > came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. > > > > Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! > > > > http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ > > > > Full text is below: > > > > We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to > > the ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member > > states to implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and > > uphold and protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. > > > > These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet > > governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy > > topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, > > openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and > > security must be considered through the framework of human rights, > > in particular freedom of expression. > > > > We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal > > Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. > > These begin to address important goals, including the expansion of > > key internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in > > need; the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the > > promotion of transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather > > than seeking to address additional issues, we urge the > > Secretary-General to move forward in engaging all stakeholders to > > implement these opinions. > > > > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s > > framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet > > achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In > > endeavoring to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical > > that the WTPF facilitate civil society’s participation as an > > independent and authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and > > future fora, bring all stakeholders together to work on > > implementing WTPF opinions at the national, regional, and global > > levels. This means creating spaces for civil society to express > > their views, for example through an online platform for comment > > that is part of the official WTPF record, through speaking rights > > as was done during the WSIS process, as well as providing for both > > remote participation and live webcasting of the WTPF meeting. > > Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables > > participation by all, including persons with disabilities. > > > > Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts > > toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, > > and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these > > opinions. We look forward to working together with the ITU as it > > pursues these policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure > > that can achieve the goals articulated herein in a manner > > consistent with the public interest and fundamental human rights. > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Mon May 13 11:06:02 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 00:06:02 +0900 Subject: [governance] APPROVED: Statement on WTPF In-Reply-To: <20130513170136.6abb54c7@quill.bollow.ch> References: <518B7190.6040700@ciroap.org> <518C5E1B.8070001@ciroap.org> <20130510103842.0c58bde3@quill.bollow.ch> <20130513170136.6abb54c7@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: The word "object" was changed. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > In view of the urgency of this matter (WTPF is after all starting > tomorrow), the co-coordinators have decided to call consensus on > the proposal for IGC endorsement of this statement. > > In view of the absence of objections to the statement, and the fact > that it has been before the IGC for more than 48 hours with a formal > ("with hat on") call to voice any objections, we conclude that the > conditions are satisfied to find that the statement has the support of > the IGC. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > Norbert Bollow wrote on Fri, 10 May 2013 > 10:38:42 +0200: > >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Are there any objections to IGC endorsing this statement? >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> >> Am Fri, 10 May 2013 10:40:27 +0800 >> schrieb Jeremy Malcolm : >> >> > On 09/05/13 17:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> > > On 09/05/13 17:16, william.drake at uzh.ch wrote: >> > >> BTW will the BB be signable by individuals and networks this >> > >> time, or just organizations with paid staff? >> > > >> > > Individuals too, but there was no such limitation last time either >> > > (at least there wasn't meant to be, sorry if the wrong impression >> > > came across). Expect a link and call for endorsements tomorrow. >> > >> > Here is the link - please endorse if you agree, and share! >> > >> > http://bestbits.net/wtpf-2013/ >> > >> > Full text is below: >> > >> > We reaffirm the goals and principles of the statement submitted to >> > the ITU Secretariat in November 2012 in which we urged member >> > states to implement inclusive and transparent ITU processes and >> > uphold and protect the public interest and fundamental human rights. >> > >> > These fundamental human rights must be at the forefront of internet >> > governance and ITU convenings, including the WTPF. Internet policy >> > topics, including but not limited to affordable access, development, >> > openness and access to knowledge, net neutrality, privacy, and >> > security must be considered through the framework of human rights, >> > in particular freedom of expression. >> > >> > We welcome progress made by the Secretary-General and the Informal >> > Experts Group in achieving consensus on the six draft opinions. >> > These begin to address important goals, including the expansion of >> > key internet infrastructure in order to reduce costs for those in >> > need; the reaffirmation of multistakeholder processes; and the >> > promotion of transparent and inclusive enhanced cooperation. Rather >> > than seeking to address additional issues, we urge the >> > Secretary-General to move forward in engaging all stakeholders to >> > implement these opinions. >> > >> > Unfortunately, we must object to the Secretary-General’s report’s >> > framing of the debate on multistakeholderism. The WTPF has not yet >> > achieved open and participatory internet policy making. In >> > endeavoring to foster multistakeholder consensus, it is critical >> > that the WTPF facilitate civil society’s participation as an >> > independent and authoritative voice. The ITU should, for this and >> > future fora, bring all stakeholders together to work on >> > implementing WTPF opinions at the national, regional, and global >> > levels. This means creating spaces for civil society to express >> > their views, for example through an online platform for comment >> > that is part of the official WTPF record, through speaking rights >> > as was done during the WSIS process, as well as providing for both >> > remote participation and live webcasting of the WTPF meeting. >> > Video, audio, and text transcripts will further enables >> > participation by all, including persons with disabilities. >> > >> > Open and transparent participation will augment the critical efforts >> > toward broadband connectivity, IXP promotion, enhanced cooperation, >> > and IPv6 deployment that the WTPF is undertaking with these >> > opinions. We look forward to working together with the ITU as it >> > pursues these policies and institutes a multistakeholder structure >> > that can achieve the goals articulated herein in a manner >> > consistent with the public interest and fundamental human rights. >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon May 13 11:22:32 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:22:32 -0700 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Comments asking ICANN to deny application for .pharmacy registration In-Reply-To: <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> References: <5157ADF9.9060202@apc.org> <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <20130513152231.GA6017@hserus.net> parminder [13/05/13 19:19 +0530]: >But ok, let me give the IO the benefit of doubt... If the IO is >indeed right that he cant object as per the limited criteria laid by >ICANN for objections, than ICANN has to be wrong, Wrong in >developing inappropriately limited criteria which can be grounds for >objection against TLD allocation... Both cant be right! Do you propose that ICANN act as a censor? The same "public good" argument that you appropriate for this objection has been used by many other objectors, objecting to far more innocuous applications - which could themselves be seen to represent a public good like, say, free speech. >interest. This over zealous in-group solidarity is one of 'ICANN >community's' biggest failings. Or, perhaps, there is actually a consensus, but you happen to be part of a minority that does not share it. Just like in this community, come to think of it. srs -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Mon May 13 12:18:06 2013 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:18:06 +0200 Subject: [governance] WSIS and civil society - workshop tomorrow in Geneva In-Reply-To: <9D661629-93ED-4C5A-92E4-CAFF55D40ACC@gmail.com> References: <9D661629-93ED-4C5A-92E4-CAFF55D40ACC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5191123E.50609@apc.org> Dear friends who will be in Geneva. Please do go to this if you can. Anriette _*Civil Society and WSIS+10*_ Tuesday May 14, 2013 9.00-10.45 Popov Room (Room B) *Summary* This workshop will discuss the initial results of research conducted by APC in 2012. The research project was conducted to respond to the opportunity provided by the WSIS+10 review to address two problems: the absence -in most parts of the world- of a people-centred approach to information society policy and regulation, and, the fragmentation of the communication rights movement which had mobilised so intensively to ensure that this approach characterised the outcomes of the WSIS. Information was gathered from organisations and individual activists involved in the WSIS and current global communications policy forums to gauge their perceptions on what changes have occurred since 2003 in their countries, regions, or areas of activity. The research assessed the progress and/or lack thereof in relation to communication rights activists vision and demands, particularly regarding developing countries and marginalised communities. *Schedule* 9.00 Introduction to the session and presentation of the speakers (Valeria Betancourt) 9.10 Presentation of the research (Alan Finlay) 9.30 Presentations from speakers (5 minutes each) 10.00 Discussion, final round on ideas to strengthen civil society participation in the development of inclusive, open, people-centred, and just information societies, and wrap up/final remarks *Panelists* * Renate Bloem, CIVICUS UN Representative, Switzerland * William Drake, International Fellow and Lecturer of The Institute of Mass Communication and Media Research at the University of Zurich, Switzerland * David Souter, Founder and Managing Director of ICT Development Associates, United Kingdom * Jeremy Malcolm, Senior Policy Officer of Consumer's International, Malaysia * Jac SM Kee, Women's Rights Programme Manager of the Association for Progressive Communications, Malaysia *Presenter* * Alan Finlay, Independent Consultant, Open Research, South Africa *Moderator * * Valeria Betancourt, Communications and Information Policy Programme Manager of the Association for Progressive Communications, Ecuador *About the Association for Progressive Communications* The Association for Progressive Communications (APC) is an international network and non-profit organisation founded in 1990 that wants everyone to have access to a free and open internet to improve lives and create a more just world.http://www.apc.org *Contact Information* If you have any questions or comments, please contact Valeria Betancourt (valeria at apc.org ) or Alexandra Groome (alexandra at apc.org) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon May 13 16:07:19 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 01:37:19 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re UN/ITU Internet takeover, the sequel In-Reply-To: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1FE74F@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1FE74F@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <3F7C005C-A0E5-4BC4-95EB-A5CF8C946F87@hserus.net> And in other unrelated, or as a colleague here prefers to put it, tangential news, FAO is of the opinion that what the world needs is for more people to include insects in their diet. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/13/should-we-eat-more-insects-the-u-n-thinks-so/ --srs (iPad) On 14-May-2013, at 1:07, Lee W McKnight wrote: > FYI, > > http://www.zdnet.com/uns-itu-pursues-internet-control-again-this-week-7000015259/ > > The article does spell Best Bits right : ) > > best, > > Lee > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Mon May 13 16:10:58 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:10:58 -0300 Subject: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards Message-ID: <68renyfpo83bj5wxg93cs1v3.1368475702721@email.android.com> Who in our caucus is participating in WWW 2013 in Rio? There will be workshops on this issue. --c.a. ps: I will not, as I have another commitment out of Rio. ------------ C. A. Afonso -------- Mensagem original -------- De : José Félix Arias Ynche Data: 13/05/2013 16h50 (GMT-03:00) Para: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Suresh Ramasubramanian Assunto: Re: [governance] Digital restrictions management in HTML standards Estoy de acuerdo con una encuesta, de ese modo se obtendrá información necesaria para     utilizar lo apropiado.   Cordialmente:         José Félix Arias Ynche                         Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo 2013/5/13 Suresh Ramasubramanian That would possibly be equivalent to endorsing something without actually understanding it in enough detail to make an informed decision? --srs (iPad) On 13-May-2013, at 15:15, Norbert Bollow wrote: > McTim wrote: > >> If Members feel strongly about this, then perhaps joining the W3c >> HTML5 WG might be more effective. > > It might be more effective still to do that *and* in addition write and > dissiminate a statement that explains the concerns, as well as W3C's > processes and the necessary skills for effective participation in W3C > WGs, and calls on civil society organizations who agree with the points > of concern to engage through the relevant processes of W3C. > > I agree that in comparison to actually working through the available > processes, endorsing a petition is not likely to have a great effect. > On the other hand, endorsing a petition is also much less work than > engaging in a technical WG. > > So I think that the likely greater effectiveness of engaging in the > HTML5 WG is not a valid reason for IGC not to endorse the petition, as > was proposed. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:      http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Mon May 13 16:33:12 2013 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:33:12 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> Message-ID: In message , at 13:25:54 on Mon, 13 May 2013, William Drake writes >> Incoming MAG Members >> Ms. Chalmers, Susan Probably too controversial for me to post to the list, and I don't know the lady, but she seems to be yet another lawyer, with a "Tech" community label attached. Outgoing "tech" community person Nurani has a background in customer service and marketing. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Mon May 13 16:47:29 2013 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:47:29 -0400 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> Message-ID: Roland, It's a loss having Nurani leave... Nurani is with Netnod, a key player involved in peering, DNSSEC and the technical community. Netnod is highly respected in the technical community. http://www.netnod.se/about/staff-members/nurani-nimpuno http://www.netnod.se/about/organisation/background regards Robert -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org On 2013-05-13, at 4:33 PM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message , at 13:25:54 on Mon, 13 May 2013, William Drake writes > >>> Incoming MAG Members >>> Ms. Chalmers, Susan > > Probably too controversial for me to post to the list, and I don't know the lady, but she seems to be yet another lawyer, with a "Tech" community label attached. > > Outgoing "tech" community person Nurani has a background in customer service and marketing. > -- > Roland Perry > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Mon May 13 16:48:09 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:48:09 -0400 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> Message-ID: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Roland Perry < roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote: > In message >, > at 13:25:54 on Mon, 13 May 2013, William Drake > writes > > Incoming MAG Members >>> Ms. Chalmers, Susan >>> >> > Probably too controversial for me to post to the list, and I don't know > the lady, but she seems to be yet another lawyer, with a "Tech" community > label attached. > She was the newly hired InternetNZ policy lead when I met here at the Nairobi IGF. They seem to like her in NZ, which is what is important. She seems to be doing a great job, and is from the ccTLD community. > > Outgoing "tech" community person Nurani has a background in customer > service and marketing. and RIR policy administration. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She seems to be doing a great job, and is from the ccTLD community. > > >> >> Outgoing "tech" community person Nurani has a background in customer service and marketing. > > > and RIR policy administration. > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind Regards, Sala Sent from my iPad On May 14, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message , at 13:25:54 on Mon, 13 May 2013, William Drake writes > >>> Incoming MAG Members >>> Ms. Chalmers, Susan > > Probably too controversial for me to post to the list, and I don't know the lady, but she seems to be yet another lawyer, with a "Tech" community label attached. > > Outgoing "tech" community person Nurani has a background in customer service and marketing. > -- > Roland Perry > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Mon May 13 20:57:42 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:57:42 -0700 Subject: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal In-Reply-To: <5189C392.7050204@communisphere.com> References: <20130502121555.22e3bac3@quill.bollow.ch> <5189C392.7050204@communisphere.com> Message-ID: <013301ce503e$12a65c50$37f314f0$@gmail.com> I'll volunteer if needed. M From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Lowenhaupt Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:17 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow Subject: Re: [governance] NomCom for Appeals Team renewal Thomas Lowenhaupt will serve on the Appeals Team if selected. On 5/2/2013 6:15 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: [with IGC coordinator hat on] Dear all, as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) process for renewing the Appeals Team. Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of the new Appeals Team. If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, 2013. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kindly find the list of volunteers as at today: * 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar 2) Jeremy Malcolm 3) José Félix Arias Ynche 4) Kerry Brown 5) Avri Doria 6) Sarah Kiden 7) Shaila Mistry 8)Deirdre Williams 9) José Francisco Callo Romero 10) Carlos Vera Quintana 11) Izumi AIZU 12) Adam Peake 13) Angela Daly 14) Mwendwa Kivuva 15) Keith Davidson 16) Carlos Watson 17)Rudi Vansnick 18) Vincent Solomon 19)Michael Gurstein Thank you, Sala. * On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively > small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of > the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chief executive Gary Pruitt said AP was told on Friday the justice department had gathered records of outgoing calls from more than 20 phone lines . Mr Pruitt said there could be "no possible justification for such an overbroad collection". The justice department has provided no explanation for the seizure. However, officials have previously said the US Attorney's Office in the District of Columbia was conducting a criminal investigation into information contained in an AP story last year. Published in May 2012, the article was about a CIA operation in Yemen that foiled an al-Qaeda plot to blow up a US-bound airplane. Confidential sources The story was embarrassing to the government, coming shortly after it had informed the public that there was nothing to suggest any such attack had been planned, says the BBC's David Willis in Washington. Continue reading the main story "Start Quote I am very troubled by these allegations and want to hear the government's explanation" Senator Patrick Leahy Judiciary Committee chairman Records for the phone numbers of five reporters and an editor who were involved in the AP story were among those obtained in April and May 2012. AP said the seizure of records for general switchboard numbers and a fax line at its offices in New York, Hartford, in Connecticut, Washington DC and the House of Representatives was unusual and largely unprecedented. "There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of the Associated Press and its reporters," Mr Pruitt wrote in a letter to US Attorney General Eric Holder . "These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know." It is not clear if the records seized included incoming calls or the duration of the calls. Nor is it clear whether a judge or grand jury approved the subpoenas. News organisations are normally notified in advance if the government is seeking such information and are given time to negotiate. The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media, bringing more cases against people suspected of leaking such material than any previous administration, our correspondent adds. 'Press intimidation' Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of the investigative House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee, criticised the seizure of records. "They had an obligation to look for every other way to get it before they intruded on the freedom of the press," he told CNN. Senator Patrick Leahy, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a statement emailed to AP: "I am very troubled by these allegations and want to hear the government's explanation." The American Civil Liberties Union accused the Obama administration of "press intimidation". In a statement, the US Attorney's Office in the District of Columbia insisted it took seriously its obligations to "follow all applicable laws, federal regulations, and Department of Justice policies". "Those regulations require us to make every reasonable effort to obtain information through alternative means before even considering a subpoena for the phone records of a member of the media," it said. "Because we value the freedom of the press, we are always careful and deliberative in seeking to strike the right balance between the public interest in the free flow of information and the public interest in the fair and effective administration of our criminal laws," it added. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not my place to comment on the quality of the contributions made by individuals (and I have known Nurani for many years in several parts of the ecocystem), rather I was harking back to earlier discussions about the technical and academic community, and whether in WSIS-speak that meant "engineers from the technical and academic community". If lawyers from the Technical Community are allowed, why not lawyers from the Academic community? Disclaimer: By training I'm an engineer who has built networks, and has learnt a little law later in life. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue May 14 05:09:50 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 02:09:50 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> Message-ID: <20130514090950.GA21046@hserus.net> Roland Perry [14/05/13 10:04 +0100]: >parts of the ecocystem), rather I was harking back to earlier >discussions about the technical and academic community, and whether >in WSIS-speak that meant "engineers from the technical and academic >community". Which was a needless controversy that should not be raked up further -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nashton at consensus.pro Tue May 14 05:17:26 2013 From: nashton at consensus.pro (Nick Ashton-Hart) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:17:26 +0000 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <20130514090950.GA21046@hserus.net> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <20130514090950.GA21046@hserus.net> Message-ID: <0000013ea2547fdb-a0932652-de19-4309-a0de-6796686fefd6-000000@email.amazonses.com> +1 On 14 May 2013, at 11:09, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Roland Perry [14/05/13 10:04 +0100]: >> parts of the ecocystem), rather I was harking back to earlier discussions about the technical and academic community, and whether in WSIS-speak that meant "engineers from the technical and academic community". > > Which was a needless controversy that should not be raked up further > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue May 14 05:26:42 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:26:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <20130514090950.GA21046@hserus.net> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <20130514090950.GA21046@hserus.net> Message-ID: <20130514112642.04e41f96@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] Suresh, please refrain from telling people that certain topics should not be discussed on this list. Greetings, Norbert Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Roland Perry [14/05/13 10:04 +0100]: > >parts of the ecocystem), rather I was harking back to earlier > >discussions about the technical and academic community, and whether > >in WSIS-speak that meant "engineers from the technical and academic > >community". > > Which was a needless controversy that should not be raked up further -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue May 14 05:46:26 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 02:46:26 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <20130514112642.04e41f96@quill.bollow.ch> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <20130514090950.GA21046@hserus.net> <20130514112642.04e41f96@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <20130514094626.GB21329@hserus.net> You will notice the difference between a suggestion, which I can make, and a "hat on" statement that you can make, and are apparently making now to tell me what to, and what not to discuss on this list. Anyway .. The previous email is merely my opinion - which I have stated before - that people are perfectly entitled to self identify themselves as belonging to a particular community, and we can no more question their credentials to belong, than, say, the ITU, or say an industry advocacy group, can question the credentials of any who self identify themselves as civil society and/or as members of this caucus. Policy experts from the technical community or academia, in this case - rather than say network engineers, protocol designers or tenured professors, have a perfect right - and a strong case - to self identify themselves with their respective communities. srs Norbert Bollow [14/05/13 11:26 +0200]: >[with IGC coordinator hat on] > >Suresh, > >please refrain from telling people that certain topics should not be >discussed on this list. > >Greetings, >Norbert > > >Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > >> Roland Perry [14/05/13 10:04 +0100]: >> >parts of the ecocystem), rather I was harking back to earlier >> >discussions about the technical and academic community, and whether >> >in WSIS-speak that meant "engineers from the technical and academic >> >community". >> >> Which was a needless controversy that should not be raked up further > >-- >Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: >1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Tue May 14 05:52:11 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:52:11 +0200 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> Message-ID: <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> On 14/05/2013, at 11:04 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > It's not my place to comment on the quality of the contributions made by individuals (and I have known Nurani for many years in several parts of the ecocystem), rather I was harking back to earlier discussions about the technical and academic community, and whether in WSIS-speak that meant "engineers from the technical and academic community". > > If lawyers from the Technical Community are allowed, why not lawyers from the Academic community? Point taken, but I want to say that I would much rather have Susan representing the technical community than some of the others who have been representing it on the MAG. I've worked with Susan on TPP advocacy on which she has done some amazing work, and she is a quite a kindred spirit with us compared to her brethren. For the record, those who haven't stepped down from the MAG since 2006 are Theresa Swineheart, Chris Disspain, Raul Echeberría and Nii Quaynor. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. 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I've worked with Susan on TPP advocacy on which she has done some amazing work, and she is a quite a kindred spirit with us compared to her brethren. For the record, those who haven't stepped down from the MAG since 2006 are Theresa Swineheart, Chris Disspain, Raul Echeberría and Nii Quaynor. > (ST) I don't think the profession or type of qualification matter, it is as long as the community regards you as it's representative. logically, it would appear that if you worked for a particular Organisation and that Organisation is deemed to be civil society, then regardless of whether one is an engineer or lawyer in that Organisation, they would by extension be deemed as being from Civil society. Similarly, so for technical Organisations. I hope you get a chance to meet and talk to Susan, she is an incredibly warm and intelligent person and an Internet policy expert and will no doubt enrich the MAG with her contributions and dynamism. > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue May 14 06:55:15 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:55:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] More (yawn) regulatory swing doors... US FCC... In-Reply-To: <518F588D.4000606@gmail.com> References: <518F588D.4000606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130514125515.43f0be32@quill.bollow.ch> Riaz K Tayob wrote: > How does MS take this intimacy into account? > > Weekend Edition May 10-12, 2013 > Generally speaking, I think much of the support for multistakeholderism is not nearly cautious enough about potential problems of this kind, and the same can be said about most models of multistakeholder governance that are being proposed. For a more in-depth discussion, we need to distinguish between (attempts at) what might be called "representative multistakeholderism" (example of which are MAG, ECWG,…) and "open multistakeholderism" (e.g. IETF, the RIRs,…). With "representative multistakeholderism" I mean groups in which a limited number of seats are distributed to representatives of particular stakeholder categories who are then assumed to bring a reasonable approproximation of the totality of perspectives of that stakeholder category into the discussion. With "open multistakeholderism" I mean settings which are open to anyone coming in and fully participating. The assumption is that this set of self-selected participants will bring reasonable approproximation of the totality of perspectives into the discussion. In representative multistakeholderism, the selection processes are obviously critically important. The problem of potentially inappropriate "intimacy" now exists not only between government officials and lobbyists, but potentially also in regard to the selection processes, and in addition all stakeholder group representatives need to train themselves to avoid being inappropriately influenced. In open multistakeholderism, the risk does not occur that viewpoints may get excluded because those who have power over the selection processes might want to suppress them, or might be unduly influenced e.g. by lobbyists to exclude people who happen to represent inconvenient viewpoint. However it is still possible (and it certainly happens) that viewpoints may get suppressed in other ways. Mechanisms of such suppression include personal attacks, telling people that certain topics (which are inconvenient to some group) should not be discussed because they're so divisive or whatever, etc. It may be necessary to have posting rules and tell people to avoid kinds of postings, such as postings containing personal attacks, or postings that effectively say "topic X should not be discussed". Such posting rules do not constitute censorship, but quite the opposite. Censorship is an attempt to suppress (by means of control of communication media) the dissemination of some category of factual information and/or to suppress discussion of some category of topics. Reasonable posting rules aim to prevent such suppression from happening through interpersonal and group dynamic pressure. Even though IGC is designed to be a civil society entity, the diversity of civil society within itself is great enough that the considerations of the above paragraph are already fully applicable to this list... Greetings, Norbert ** Acronyms used: MAG=Multistakeholder Advisory Group ECWG=Enhanced Cooperation Working Group IETF=Internet Engineering Task Force RIR=Regional Internet Registry -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Tue May 14 07:27:13 2013 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 06:27:13 -0500 Subject: [governance] Update: NomCom for Appeals Team renewal [6 more volunteers needed] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sala, I served on the previous Appeals Team, so it is not ideal to continue, as we look for alternates and inclusion. However, if you need names to fill the quota, I am happy to be included. Best, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu DiploFoundation Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme www.diplomacy.edu/ig ** ** On 13 May 2013 21:03, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Firstly thank you to all those that have volunteered for the lottery. We > need 6 more volunteers. Kindly find the list of volunteers as at today: > > * > > 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar > > 2) Jeremy Malcolm > > 3) José Félix Arias Ynche > > 4) Kerry Brown > > 5) Avri Doria > > 6) Sarah Kiden > > 7) Shaila Mistry > > 8)Deirdre Williams > > 9) José Francisco Callo Romero > > 10) Carlos Vera Quintana > > 11) Izumi AIZU > > 12) Adam Peake > > 13) Angela Daly > > 14) Mwendwa Kivuva > > 15) Keith Davidson > > 16) Carlos Watson > > 17)Rudi Vansnick > > 18) Vincent Solomon > > 19)Michael Gurstein > > Thank you, > > Sala. > * > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >> >> Dear all, >> >> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >> months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >> process for renewing the Appeals Team. >> >> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >> >> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >> task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >> chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >> >> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively >> small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of >> the new Appeals Team. >> >> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >> preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >> 2013. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> >> -- >> Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: >> 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. 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Thank you Marília On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Ginger Paque wrote: > Hi Sala, > I served on the previous Appeals Team, so it is not ideal to continue, as > we look for alternates and inclusion. However, if you need names to fill > the quota, I am happy to be included. > Best, > Ginger > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > DiploFoundation > Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > ** > ** > > > On 13 May 2013 21:03, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Firstly thank you to all those that have volunteered for the lottery. We >> need 6 more volunteers. Kindly find the list of volunteers as at today: >> >> * >> >> 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar >> >> 2) Jeremy Malcolm >> >> 3) José Félix Arias Ynche >> >> 4) Kerry Brown >> >> 5) Avri Doria >> >> 6) Sarah Kiden >> >> 7) Shaila Mistry >> >> 8)Deirdre Williams >> >> 9) José Francisco Callo Romero >> >> 10) Carlos Vera Quintana >> >> 11) Izumi AIZU >> >> 12) Adam Peake >> >> 13) Angela Daly >> >> 14) Mwendwa Kivuva >> >> 15) Keith Davidson >> >> 16) Carlos Watson >> >> 17)Rudi Vansnick >> >> 18) Vincent Solomon >> >> 19)Michael Gurstein >> >> Thank you, >> >> Sala. >> * >> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two >>> months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) >>> process for renewing the Appeals Team. >>> >>> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . >>> >>> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the >>> task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly >>> chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. >>> >>> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the relatively >>> small but nevertheless important task of participating the selection of >>> the new Appeals Team. >>> >>> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, >>> preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by Friday May 16, >>> 2013. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> >>> -- >>> Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: >>> 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person >>> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue May 14 08:43:28 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:43:28 +0200 Subject: [governance] Summary on IGC statement proposals In-Reply-To: References: <20130513104146.02a9ad14@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <20130514144328.73f894f2@quill.bollow.ch> Adam Peake wrote: > What is the current text of "4) Proposal for an IGC statement on a > "public good" perspective of the Internet." """ We recognise the Internet to be a global, end-to-end, network of networks comprised of computing devices and processes, and an emergent and emerging social reality. In that sense, it is an intricate combination of hardware, software, protocols, and human intentionality enabling new kinds of social interactions and transactions, brought together by a common set of design principles. The design principles and policies that constitute Internet's governance should be derived through open and transparent, participatory democratic processes involving all stakeholders. While such principles and policies strive to ensure stability, functionality and security of the Internet, they must also aim at preserving and enhancing the global commons and global public good character of the Internet, the combination of which has made previous innovations possible. Therefore, in the face of the growing danger for the Internet experience to be reduced to closed or proprietary online spaces, we urge that the governance of the Internet promote the preservation and enhancement of the Internet's global commons and public good character. This will inter alia help to promote the Internet as a vehicle for free expression and free association, and for free flow of information, knowledge and ideas. """ Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue May 14 08:46:42 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:46:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] Update: NomCom for Appeals Team renewal [6 more volunteers needed] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130514144642.703070bf@quill.bollow.ch> [with IGC coordinator hat on] Hello Marília Are you volunteering for the Appeals team itself or for the NomCom that will select the appeals team? Greetings, Norbert Am Tue, 14 May 2013 09:43:03 -0300 schrieb Marilia Maciel : > Dear Sala, > > I volunteer to serve on the Appeals team. I have not participated on > the previous ones. > > Thank you > Marília > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Ginger Paque > wrote: > > > Hi Sala, > > I served on the previous Appeals Team, so it is not ideal to > > continue, as we look for alternates and inclusion. However, if you > > need names to fill the quota, I am happy to be included. > > Best, > > Ginger > > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > > > > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > DiploFoundation > > Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme > > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > > ** > > ** > > > > > > On 13 May 2013 21:03, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Dear All, > >> > >> Firstly thank you to all those that have volunteered for the > >> lottery. We need 6 more volunteers. Kindly find the list of > >> volunteers as at today: > >> > >> * > >> > >> 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar > >> > >> 2) Jeremy Malcolm > >> > >> 3) José Félix Arias Ynche > >> > >> 4) Kerry Brown > >> > >> 5) Avri Doria > >> > >> 6) Sarah Kiden > >> > >> 7) Shaila Mistry > >> > >> 8)Deirdre Williams > >> > >> 9) José Francisco Callo Romero > >> > >> 10) Carlos Vera Quintana > >> > >> 11) Izumi AIZU > >> > >> 12) Adam Peake > >> > >> 13) Angela Daly > >> > >> 14) Mwendwa Kivuva > >> > >> 15) Keith Davidson > >> > >> 16) Carlos Watson > >> > >> 17)Rudi Vansnick > >> > >> 18) Vincent Solomon > >> > >> 19)Michael Gurstein > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Sala. > >> * > >> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow > >> wrote: > >> > >>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] > >>> > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about > >>> two months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee > >>> (NomCom) process for renewing the Appeals Team. > >>> > >>> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > >>> > >>> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in > >>> the task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be > >>> randomly chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > >>> > >>> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the > >>> relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating > >>> the selection of the new Appeals Team. > >>> > >>> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us > >>> know, preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by > >>> Friday May 16, 2013. > >>> > >>> Greetings, > >>> Norbert > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in > >>> IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not > >>> to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in > >>> what you accept > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >> P.O. Box 17862 > >> Suva > >> Fiji > >> > >> Twitter: @SalanietaT > >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >> Tel: +679 3544828 > >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > >> Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue May 14 08:47:31 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:47:31 -0400 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <3AE19CAA-CEFD-47A2-BC88-976891B2CA51@gmail.com> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> <3AE19CAA-CEFD-47A2-BC88-976891B2CA51@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > rote: > > (ST) I don't think the profession or type of qualification matter, it is as > long as the community regards you as it's representative. Do ppl "represent" on the mag? > I hope you get a chance to meet and talk to Susan, she is an incredibly warm > and intelligent person and an Internet policy expert and will no doubt > enrich the MAG with her contributions and dynamism. +1 -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." 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Sorry if I did not express myself correctly before. Best, Marília On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Hello Marília > > Are you volunteering for the Appeals team itself or for the NomCom > that will select the appeals team? > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > Am Tue, 14 May 2013 09:43:03 -0300 > schrieb Marilia Maciel : > > > Dear Sala, > > > > I volunteer to serve on the Appeals team. I have not participated on > > the previous ones. > > > > Thank you > > Marília > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Ginger Paque > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Sala, > > > I served on the previous Appeals Team, so it is not ideal to > > > continue, as we look for alternates and inclusion. However, if you > > > need names to fill the quota, I am happy to be included. > > > Best, > > > Ginger > > > > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > > > > > > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > > DiploFoundation > > > Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme > > > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > > > ** > > > ** > > > > > > > > > On 13 May 2013 21:03, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Dear All, > > >> > > >> Firstly thank you to all those that have volunteered for the > > >> lottery. We need 6 more volunteers. Kindly find the list of > > >> volunteers as at today: > > >> > > >> * > > >> > > >> 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar > > >> > > >> 2) Jeremy Malcolm > > >> > > >> 3) José Félix Arias Ynche > > >> > > >> 4) Kerry Brown > > >> > > >> 5) Avri Doria > > >> > > >> 6) Sarah Kiden > > >> > > >> 7) Shaila Mistry > > >> > > >> 8)Deirdre Williams > > >> > > >> 9) José Francisco Callo Romero > > >> > > >> 10) Carlos Vera Quintana > > >> > > >> 11) Izumi AIZU > > >> > > >> 12) Adam Peake > > >> > > >> 13) Angela Daly > > >> > > >> 14) Mwendwa Kivuva > > >> > > >> 15) Keith Davidson > > >> > > >> 16) Carlos Watson > > >> > > >> 17)Rudi Vansnick > > >> > > >> 18) Vincent Solomon > > >> > > >> 19)Michael Gurstein > > >> > > >> Thank you, > > >> > > >> Sala. > > >> * > > >> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > >>> > > >>> Dear all, > > >>> > > >>> as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about > > >>> two months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee > > >>> (NomCom) process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > >>> > > >>> Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > >>> > > >>> We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in > > >>> the task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be > > >>> randomly chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > >>> > > >>> Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the > > >>> relatively small but nevertheless important task of participating > > >>> the selection of the new Appeals Team. > > >>> > > >>> If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us > > >>> know, preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org , by > > >>> Friday May 16, 2013. > > >>> > > >>> Greetings, > > >>> Norbert > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in > > >>> IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not > > >>> to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in > > >>> what you accept > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > >>> > > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > >>> > > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > >> P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 14 08:59:43 2013 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:59:43 +0100 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> Message-ID: In message <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C at ciroap.org>, at 11:52:11 on Tue, 14 May 2013, Jeremy Malcolm writes >>If lawyers from the Technical Community are allowed, why not lawyers >>from the Academic community? > >Point taken, but I want to say that I would much rather have Susan >representing the technical community than some of the others who have >been representing it on the MAG. That sounds like you *are* prepared to comment on the quality of contributions, which is an entirely different discussion. Do you think some of the "others" have done a poor job advocating for the technical community? I haven't participated in an IGF or prep meeting for over two years now, so don't have an opinion on the matter. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From julian at colnodo.apc.org Tue May 14 09:04:54 2013 From: julian at colnodo.apc.org (Julian Casasbuenas G.) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:04:54 -0500 Subject: [governance] Update: NomCom for Appeals Team renewal [6 more volunteers needed] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51923676.3040108@colnodo.apc.org> Dear Salanieta, I volunteer for the NomCom for Appeals Team. Best, Julián El 13/05/13 21:03, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro escribió: > Dear All, > > Firstly thank you to all those that have volunteered for the lottery. > We need 6 more volunteers. Kindly find the list of volunteers as at today: > > * > > 1) Chaitanya Dhareshwar > > 2) Jeremy Malcolm > > 3) José Félix Arias Ynche > > 4) Kerry Brown > > 5) Avri Doria > > 6) Sarah Kiden > > 7) Shaila Mistry > > 8)Deirdre Williams > > 9) José Francisco Callo Romero > > 10) Carlos Vera Quintana > > 11) Izumi AIZU > > 12) Adam Peake > > 13) Angela Daly > > 14) Mwendwa Kivuva > > 15) Keith Davidson > > 16) Carlos Watson > > 17)Rudi Vansnick > > 18) Vincent Solomon > > 19)Michael Gurstein > > > Thank you, > > Sala. > * > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Norbert Bollow > wrote: > > [with IGC coordinator hat on] > > Dear all, > > as the term of office of the current Appeals Team ends in about two > months, it is time to initiate the Nominating Committee (NomCom) > process for renewing the Appeals Team. > > Details of this process are available on the IGC Website at > http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process . > > We need at least 25 volunteers who are willing to participate in the > task of selecting the new Appeals Team. Five of these will be randomly > chosen as the voting members of the Nominating Committee. > > Therefore, please consider making yourself available for the > relatively > small but nevertheless important task of participating the > selection of > the new Appeals Team. > > If you're willing to help out, please volunteer by letting us know, > preferably by email to coordinators at igcaucus.org > , by Friday May 16, > 2013. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > -- > Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: > 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the > person > 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > Blog: salanieta.blogspot.com > > -- Julian Casasbuenas G. 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I haven't participated in an IGF or prep meeting for over two years now, so don't have an opinion on the matter. I do, but sorry Roland, I'm not going to take the bait and vent about that here, because it will definitely precipitate a flame war. :-) -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you so much for volunteering! I've added your name to the list of volunteers from which the voting members of the NomCom will be randomly chosen; that will take place during the second half of May 2013. Greetings, Norbert Am Tue, 14 May 2013 09:54:56 -0300 schrieb Marilia Maciel : > Hi Norbert, > > I just want to be useful, really, but to my understanding Sala is now > asking for volunteers to the NomCom that will select the appeals > team, is that it? Sorry if I did not express myself correctly before. > > Best, > Marília -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue May 14 09:40:19 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:10:19 +0530 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <9C420378-FD73-4CE7-8D9F-C8D24C951AD5@ciroap.org> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> <9C420378-FD73-4CE7-8D9F-C8D24C951AD5@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <13ea3450d1d.2728.4f968dcf8ecd56c9cb8acab6370fcfe0@hserus.net> A bit too late for that especially as you named certain current mag members whose style of functioning you might possibly disagree with? --srs (htc one x) On 14 May 2013 6:40:10 PM Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 14/05/2013, at 2:59 PM, Roland Perry > wrote: > > >> Point taken, but I want to say that I would much rather have Susan > representing the technical community than some of the others who have been > representing it on the MAG. > > That sounds like you *are* prepared to comment on the quality of > contributions, which is an entirely different discussion. > > Do you think some of the "others" have done a poor job advocating for the > technical community? I haven't participated in an IGF or prep meeting for > over two years now, so don't have an opinion on the matter. > > I do, but sorry Roland, I'm not going to take the bait and vent about that > here, because it will definitely precipitate a flame war. :-) > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: > https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main | #wcrd2013 > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Tue May 14 10:22:41 2013 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:22:41 +0000 Subject: [governance] Summary on IGC statement proposals In-Reply-To: <20130514144328.73f894f2@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130513104146.02a9ad14@quill.bollow.ch> ,<20130514144328.73f894f2@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B21939A@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> While I might quibble with a few words, I still like it. Even if IGC may perhaps not agree to support the public good (which is kind of sad, but anyway): Janet, please plan to fold into WiGiT v0.3 at an appropriate spot. (FYI, Janet is a star iSchool doc student and member of P2030.4, IEEE Smart Grid Interoperability working group, which meets next week and which we will sync with v0.3.) Lee ________________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Norbert Bollow [nb at bollow.ch] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:43 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Adam Peake Subject: Re: [governance] Summary on IGC statement proposals Adam Peake wrote: > What is the current text of "4) Proposal for an IGC statement on a > "public good" perspective of the Internet." """ We recognise the Internet to be a global, end-to-end, network of networks comprised of computing devices and processes, and an emergent and emerging social reality. In that sense, it is an intricate combination of hardware, software, protocols, and human intentionality enabling new kinds of social interactions and transactions, brought together by a common set of design principles. The design principles and policies that constitute Internet's governance should be derived through open and transparent, participatory democratic processes involving all stakeholders. While such principles and policies strive to ensure stability, functionality and security of the Internet, they must also aim at preserving and enhancing the global commons and global public good character of the Internet, the combination of which has made previous innovations possible. Therefore, in the face of the growing danger for the Internet experience to be reduced to closed or proprietary online spaces, we urge that the governance of the Internet promote the preservation and enhancement of the Internet's global commons and public good character. This will inter alia help to promote the Internet as a vehicle for free expression and free association, and for free flow of information, knowledge and ideas. """ Greetings, Norbert -- Recommendations for effective and contructive participation in IGC: 1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue May 14 11:12:41 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:12:41 -0700 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> <3AE19CAA-CEFD-47A2-BC88-976891B2CA51@gmail.com> Message-ID: <014501ce50b5$8412cb90$8c3862b0$@gmail.com> My congratulations to those chosen from all stakeholder groups to the MAG. One observation however, based on a summary review of the list provided by Bill--of the five individuals selected to the MAG to represent CS, all are women and 4 of the 5 are from Latin America or the Caribbean. I'm assuming that the UN in its wisdom (appropriately) applied criteria to ensure gender and regional balance; however, rather than applying these criteria within each stakeholder group they appeared to apply these to the MAG as a whole; which given significant longstanding gender and regional biases in other of the stakeholder groups, evidently resulted in the rather odd absence of representivity within CS including an absence of representation from Africa, Europe and North America among other anomalies. M -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Tue May 14 12:02:08 2013 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin Schombe) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:02:08 +0200 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <014501ce50b5$8412cb90$8c3862b0$@gmail.com> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> <3AE19CAA-CEFD-47A2-BC88-976891B2CA51@gmail.com> <014501ce50b5$8412cb90$8c3862b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael actually, I support your point, and I really did not want to raise any comment on this point. But it is so obvious that it should be emphasized. 2013/5/14 michael gurstein > My congratulations to those chosen from all stakeholder groups to the MAG. > > One observation however, based on a summary review of the list provided by > Bill--of the five individuals selected to the MAG to represent CS, all are > women and 4 of the 5 are from Latin America or the Caribbean. > > I'm assuming that the UN in its wisdom (appropriately) applied criteria to > ensure gender and regional balance; however, rather than applying these > criteria within each stakeholder group they appeared to apply these to the > MAG as a whole; which given significant longstanding gender and regional > biases in other of the stakeholder groups, evidently resulted in the rather > odd absence of representivity within CS including an absence of > representation from Africa, Europe and North America among other anomalies. > > M > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ ACADEMIE DES TIC At-Large Member NCSG Member email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Baudouin.Schombe at ticafrica.net tél:+243998983491 skype:b.schombe wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue May 14 12:26:51 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 21:56:51 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Comments asking ICANN to deny application for .pharmacy registration In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23D3B83@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <5157ADF9.9060202@apc.org> <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23D3B83@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <519265CB.4020407@itforchange.net> On Monday 13 May 2013 07:41 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Parminder you have completely missed the point. In a rather disturbing way. > >> -----Original Message----- >> It is surprising to what elegantly logical length people can go to shirk >> responsibility.... It seems to be written all over the report that >> 'closed generic' TLDs are bad for public interest, but it is amusing how >> the Independent Objector (IO) wriggles out of the responsibility of >> having to do anything about them. > The IO said that the specific, limited criteria on which he is allowed to object do not allow him to object to a TLD simply because it is a closed generic. > He is correct. [parminder] Pl see my email. I said, either IO is wrong (he applied creteria inappropriately) or ICANN is wrong to have laid inappropriate and insufficient creteria...... > What is disturbing about your response is that you apparently want the IO to arbitrarily and unilaterally decide what is in the "public interest" [parminder] I can easily relieve you of this particular disturbance.... I am no great believer in 'experts' deciding such major things . Such so called 'independent' objectors or arbitrators have a very limited role, if any, in my democratic scheme of things..... But maybe, the community criterion could have been applied..... English speaking people constitute a community whose collective rights are compromised by allowing, for instance. the products of Amazon such close exclusive association with the word 'book' which is so widely used in a different meaning by this community..... But the IO chose not to apply the criterion...... But IMHO such 'independent experts' mostly do not give rulings that could upset things too much - and an adverse ruling would have had too far reaching an impact on ICANN... > - an undefined and almost inherently undefinable term [parminder] A polity's essential job is to define and determine "public interest" in a given context...... In the same way as the essential task of the institution of market is to determine the appropriate 'exchange value' of anything.....No institution does thus essential tasks perfectly... but these terms do not lose meaning becuase of that. It is just your deep anti-governmentalism speaking here. > - and then impose it on us, without any process or any checks and balances. And you want this because YOU have decided that closed generics are bad. [parminder] In fact, it is you who have 'decided' that 'public interest' being indefinable should not be spoken of, whereby I cant understand what are we doing at all in what is supposed to be a political space. > > The distinction here is between rule of law and arbitrary rule. So you need to understand that "democratic governance" means neither rule of momentary majorities, mobs, or powerful individuals acting arbitrarily based on whatever they feel is in the public interest. It means laws and policies made through a representative and participatory process, [parminder] Yes, lets discuss what is democracy... I agree it 'means laws and policies made through a representative and participatory process', which are apparently aimed at 'public interest', right! You seem to have earlier agreed that ICANN should stick to narrow technical policy stuff, and for wider public interest/ policy issues be guided by a framework provided from the outside. Am I right! Most times you seemed satisfied by the US legal system providing this larger framework, but I also noted that you recently agreed to some kind of multilateral system setting this framework (something you were also inclined to just after WSIS in the form of framework convention). That brings us to a very important context - the meeting of the WG on Enhanced Cooperation (EC) later this month. I see two sides of EC - one is the 'larger public policies' side and other is 'CIR oversight' part. On the side of 'CIR oversight' one of the biggest task is, and I quote Tunis agenda "the development of globally-applicable principles on public policy issues associated with the coordination and management of critical Internet resources". How do you propose these principles can and should be developed?If we can agree on that, or even make progress towards possible agreement,we will have made a great contribution to global IG. I request your comments on this . My problem is that the current default framework is the US establishment's thinking in the Internet area - which is that markets will take care of pubic interest. Period. . I dont agree with this framework... But that should not matter. The real problem is that this framework was never arrived at democratically... And since you insist on democracy, and I fully agree, lets find out the democratic means to arrive at these overall public policy principles for CIR management. What do you suggest? > constrained by due process and individual rights. It is disappointing that you just want a populist dictator to impose the 'right' decision [parminder] On the contrary, it if you who are rooting for the dictator - the US establishment, which is imposing its public policy framework on the whole world ... > 'right' being defined as whatever you want. [parminder] Just becuase US establishment's market fundamentalist stance for global IG suits you thinking and preferences . > And of course, when someone exploits that arbitrary power to do something you don't like, you will scream about violation of process and how ICANN is undemocratic. [parminder] I have several times pointed out that you, Milton, would never have agreed to any other country having the same level of unilateral control as US . Neither would you have countenanced even US control if by some magic it had been pro commons and public goods nature of the Internet ..... > But you are revealing your true colors here. [parminder] You dont even have reveal your true colors :) > It is in fact a common problem with so-called "progressives," they don't have a very deep understanding of how and why one needs to constrain power, they just believe that if you give the 'right people' with the right ideas (i.e., their ideas) absolute > power then everything will be fine. [parminder] OK, all progressives are stupid..... > >> In fact, it is really surprising the extent to which people within what >> is called as the ICANN community seem to agree that 'closed generic' >> TLDs are not quite right but still insist that it is somehow someone >> else's responsibility to do something about it... All kinds of > No, in the public comments it is obvious that the arguments against closed generics were weak and rhetorical. The arguments for allowing the closed generic model as one of many possible models of managing a TLD were clearly more intelligently argued. The anti-closed generic arguments relied entirely on fear-based claims about monopoly power which had no basis in economic facts or theory, or anti-corporate rhetoric, or the attempts of business competitors attempting to hamstring a rival. The whole thing was pretty comical. [parminder] And neoliberals are all very intelligent....... With your permission, may I tap into your intelligence to know how should we develop "globally-applicable principles on public policy issues associated with the coordination and management of critical Internet resources". parminder > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue May 14 13:16:22 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:46:22 +0530 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal In-Reply-To: <014501ce50b5$8412cb90$8c3862b0$@gmail.com> References: <002601ce4fca$81a69850$84f3c8f0$@unog.ch> <8F63E41B-7CDB-4A81-ACA7-32BAA94CF52C@ciroap.org> <3AE19CAA-CEFD-47A2-BC88-976891B2CA51@gmail.com> <014501ce50b5$8412cb90$8c3862b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51927166.3070009@itforchange.net> On Tuesday 14 May 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > My congratulations to those chosen from all stakeholder groups to the MAG. > > One observation however, based on a summary review of the list provided by > Bill--of the five individuals selected to the MAG to represent CS, all are > women and 4 of the 5 are from Latin America or the Caribbean. > > I'm assuming that the UN in its wisdom (appropriately) applied criteria to > ensure gender and regional balance; however, rather than applying these > criteria within each stakeholder group they appeared to apply these to the > MAG as a whole; which given significant longstanding gender and regional > biases in other of the stakeholder groups, evidently resulted in the rather > odd absence of representivity within CS including an absence of > representation from Africa, Europe and North America among other anomalies. This is what the WG on IGF Improvements sought, and I quote from its report..... (a) The three non-governmental stakeholder groups should propose lists of candidates that should be balanced, including in terms of gender distribution and in reflecting the diversity of geographical distribution. This will enable a wide range of diversity within the MAG, especially those groups which have been underrepresented in the MAG, and be sufficiently large to provide some flexibility when selecting MAG members. (b) Stakeholder groups should identify and publicize the process that works best for their own culture and methods of engagement and which will ensure their self-management. (c) The contribution of lists of proposed candidates for each stakeholder group should not be restricted to one particular body. .................... (a) The process of selection of MAG members should be inclusive, predictable, transparent and fully documented. (ends) The required transparency and documentation condition have not been fulfilled till now.... IGC must urgently write to UNDESA and IGF secretariat to do the needful, at the earliest. If CS isnt the one demanding fulfilment of transparency requirements I dont know who will... parminder > > M > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue May 14 13:37:07 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:37:07 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Comments asking ICANN to deny application for .pharmacy registration In-Reply-To: <519265CB.4020407@itforchange.net> References: <5157ADF9.9060202@apc.org> <5190EF51.7070102@itforchange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD23D3B83@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <519265CB.4020407@itforchange.net> Message-ID: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM, parminder wrote: > > On Monday 13 May 2013 07:41 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Parminder you have completely missed the point. In a rather disturbing way. > > -----Original Message----- > It is surprising to what elegantly logical length people can go to shirk > responsibility.... It seems to be written all over the report that > 'closed generic' TLDs are bad for public interest, but it is amusing how > the Independent Objector (IO) wriggles out of the responsibility of > having to do anything about them. > > The IO said that the specific, limited criteria o