[governance] Spamhaus

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Like I said barracuda has some small businesses using it, tops. The other for pay ones don't have much adoption

What secondary blacklists do you mean?  Typically all the major ones don't list just because another bl lists it. If you see a listing in multiple bls, it is mostly because each of their traps detected someone that met their criteria for inclusion in a bl.

--srs (iPad)

On 29-Mar-2013, at 3:42, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> First, I would never say a phrase like that. I am not that theatrical :)
> 
> Second, if a major (primary) blacklister blocks your server, this propagates to secondary listers which refer to it.
> 
> Third, unless there was an absolute emergency, which was never the case, we would never concede to this sort of extortion.
> 
> And fourth, curiously major providers like Google, Yahoo, UOL (BR) and others are frequently ignoring these blacklisters, precisely because of the sloppy manner in which even some of the primary ones perform their work. Even when Barracuda insisted on blocking one of our servers, Google and most major others never bothered.
> 
> And finally, please note that we have never had a problem with our DNS servers. Blacklisters (in some cases they should be called blackmailers) usually target one of our list servers or mail servers.
> 
> fraternal regards
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> On 03/28/2013 10:14 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>> Let me ask you a question.  Did you actually face significant volumes of lost mail from those "pay to delist" blocklists?
>> 
>> Or was this a case of looking up your IP on say mxtoolbox.com and figuring out "oh no, I am blocked, let me get out of every single blocklist that mxtoolbox says that I'm on?"
>> 
>> --srs (iPad)
>> 
>> On 28-Mar-2013, at 18:23, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 03/28/2013 01:52 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> In particular please see section 2.2.5 on conflict of interest which
>>>> says that while a dnsbl may be run as a commercial proposition by
>>>> charging a fee from sites that use it, it MUST not charge for the
>>>> removal of a listing, as this "steers periliously close to notions of
>>>> extortion, blackmail or a protection racket".
>>> 
>>> This is a RFC recommendation typically not followed. In at least two cases we were asked for money to have the IP removed from their blacklist. In one case, they would remove for free only seven days after the request, unless we were willing to pay US$100.
>>> 
>>> frt rgds
>>> 
>>> --c.a.
>> 

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