[governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

Mon Mar 25 00:52:14 EDT 2013

Thank you for all these pointers, to your work and that at Brookings.  There is a sizeable body of academic research and policy thinktank work already present in this space, but these are new to me and look well worth reading.

--srs (iPad)

On 25-Mar-2013, at 10:10, Hindenburgo Pires <hindenburgo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ian and Diego, thanks for sharing these documents for all members of this list.
> 
> Since 2008 I've been studying and writing about the issues Networking Centric Warfare and Cyberwarfare:
> - Global Internet Governance: The Representation of country toponyms in cyberspace - http://www.ub.edu/geocrit/sn/sn-270/sn-270-151b.htm
> 
> I've read several articles written by the DoD’s Command and Control Research Program (CCRP).
> 
> Currently I'm interested in the area of Geography of Cyberspace by themes of geopolitics and sovereignty in cyberspace:
> - Interview to News Agency of Universidad Nacional de Colombia - http://www.agenciadenoticias.unal.edu.co/detalle/article/hay-que-democratizar-la-internet.html 
> - National states, sovereignty and regulation of the Internet - http://www.ub.edu/geocrit/sn/sn-418/sn-418-63.htm
> 
> The "Tallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber Warfare" is a very important book for the continuation of studies that has been developing.
> With respect to proposal "to publish an alternative version ...", the Foreign Policy Scholars at Brookings and  Peter W. Singer and Thomas Wright wrote recently a Book and Memorandum to the President:
> - Big Bets, Black Swans: a Presidential Briefing Book - Policy Recommendations for President Obama’s Second Term -http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Research/Files/Papers/2013/1/big%20bets%20black%20swans/big%20bets%20and%20black%20swans%20a%20presidential%20briefing%20book.pdf   
> - "An Obama Doctrine on New Rules of War" - http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2013/01/an-obama-doctrine-on-new-rules-of-war
> 
> 
> 2013/3/24 Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
>> Wonderful. You have now compared bush and Obama to as choice a collection of genocidal dictators as you can find and managed to throw in the now obligatory big brother comparison as well 
>> 
>> Purely as a history lesson to you, Louis, concentration camps started as British internment camps for the boer people during the boer war. Hitler extended the concept and also introduced death camps. 
>> 
>> The Soviet (and before them, Tsarist) and Chinese labor camps were a cheap way for them to get large amounts of convict labor to mine gold, build highways and rail lines etc in resource rich areas with inhospitable weather. So a subtle distinction and one that wouldn't matter much to the victims of either regime, but one that you might bear in mind when scattering disagreeable analogies around like confetti 
>> 
>> --srs (htc one x)
>> 
>> On 24 March 2013 10:07:52 PM "Louis Pouzin (well)" wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>>> As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath wrought”.
>>>>  
>>>> A landmark document created at the request of NATO has proposed a set of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be conducted. Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the International Committee of the Red Cross and the US Cyber Command, theTallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber Warfare analyzes the rules of conventional war and applies them to state-sponsored cyberattacks.
>>>>  
>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare
>>>>  
>>>> - - -
>>>  
>>> Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. Initiatives belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the capacity to follow or violate the rules. CS doesn't have much influence, except through occasional media power.
>>> 
>>> Some more frightening documents on real war:
>>> 
>>> http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110
>>> 
>>> http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture
>>> 
>>> One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized language to mean illegal and criminal activities. This was anticipated by Orwell (newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor camp (concentration), nazism special treatment (gas chamber), maoism reeducation (deportation), bushism and obamism extraordinary rendition (torture), inter alia.
>>> 
>>> Louis
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