[governance] who owns the new gTLDs?

[McTim]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
> CA
>
> I rather like it because it sounds like McTim is for specialisation in
> comparative advantage, as they use at the WTO - ACTA, NAFTA, etc -


Sounds like you are trying to put words into my mouth ...again!


so it has
> the virtue of consistency. And also locates me, as a wannabe heterodox
> economist, in relation to what I discern as the market orientated McTim

In truth, I think that CIRs (names and numbers) should be available
based on a cost recovery basis.  However, that horse left the barn
some decades ago in the names world, and the numbering horse seems to
be charging for the door like its tail is on fire at the moment.


(I
> have to be careful because it seems like economic categorisations on this
> list are rather casually and oft inappropriately used


like you have done once again in this mail ;-/


, a matter I would like
> to avoid, since it is better to keep shut and be thought a fool than to open
> one's mouth and leave no doubt).
>
> The internet may be universal, but its institutional infrastructure, at CIR,
> is pretty much US based.

Except for the 4 RIRs NOT based in the USA (and the 10's of thousands
of LIRs that are their members), the 192 ccTLDs NOT based in the USA,
the AfTLD, LACTLD, etc, etc.

ICANN is setting up real HQ hubs in Turkey and Singapore, there is a
real push to internationalize the organisation.  Why would we demonise
and oppose this? We should celebrate it, as it is exactly what we have
been asking for!

<nonsense snipped>

> Now this argument may seem like a stretch, but theoretical felicity requires
> *intrasystemically* that the 'market' be characterised by large numbers of
> producers who are price takers, a case that is not the case in many levels
> of the CIR - which suffers from state 'interference'. And this is relevant
> because of the way the pragmatic (or ad hoc) deviations from the theoretical
> values basis, for instance inclusion of public interest clauses, are needed
> as comparators of the accomodation made. This is McTs pragmatism and
> realism. Which intimates he is more a neoliberal than a neoclassical;
> avoiding of course the entire point between philosophy and ideology and the
> relative merits of both which leave un-practical or un-technical people at a
> disadvantage. Of course one need not point out that too technical or natural
> science a view tends toward denying the fact that there is no objective
> Archimedean point in matters social.
>
> In short, a market orientated approach is idealistic in its conception of
> the CIR and Internet as a market

There are multiple markets that make up the Internet, even within the
categories of CIRs.  To deny this is to deny reality.  I don't see
your point here.


 (confusing what is with what ought), and
> fails on its own terms. But as we see it has traction because these types of
> ideas are pragmatically mercantalist for those who currently hold the
> advantages.
>

How would you adjust the situation?  Today there is a meeting in Addis
of the African folks involved in ICANN/DNS industry trying to build
more interest in the DNS ecosystem in Africa.  I welcome this
initiative.  ICANN is spending many millions of USD on Outreach and
Engagement.  Would you prefer they don't?

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

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