[governance] Fwd: Why do US and EU trade negotiators hate the Berne Copyright Limitations and Exceptions? | Knowledge Ecology International
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Sun Mar 3 23:03:28 EST 2013
What goes around sometimes comes right back around. Regrettable to be sure.
--srs (htc one x)
On 4 March 2013 9:27:11 AM Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:
> So...practitioners demonizing theorists is ok, but not vice versa?
>
> Got it.
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> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: Why do US and EU trade negotiators hate
> the Berne Copyright Limitations and Exceptions? | Knowledge Ecology
> International
>
> There are people who bridge the gap effectively. Which involves not
> using pejorative terms (rentier for instance) to describe those you
> disagree with. That, and working to find common ground where you can
> agree to some extent to those whose views differ from yours. So, not
> demonizing the opposition is definitely a good place to start.
>
> The other thing I have found is that people who implement anything in
> practice and have their opinions tempered by that experience are much
> more reliable sources of knowledge, and more inclined to avoid blindly
> ideological positions, than theorists, especially those with a political bent.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 04-Mar-2013, at 8:50, Diego Rafael Canabarro
> <diegocanabarro at gmail.com<mailto:diegocanabarro at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> How to disentangle both?
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
>
> A big difference between the two. Ideology is driven by a relatively
> blind belief system. Philosophy takes more facts into account, even if
> they conflict with ideology.
>
> --srs (htc one x)
>
>
> On 21 February 2013 12:04:10 PM Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>
> On the contrary, policy is driven by philosophy or ideology.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
>
> A perception of what different groups or individuals feel is the global
> public interest, more like?
>
> Ideology and policy, especially on the Internet, are a very bad mix.
> And I doubt you will get consensus on what constitutes global public interest.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 21-Feb-2013, at 11:15, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com<mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> It is interesting when advocacy in relation to global public interest
> is labelled as left/South.
> Civil society is seen as a watchdog and where it is told to stop
> speaking or expressing its views because they are "left" then there is
> a danger of being innoculated from subtle threats that affect what we
> hold dear, an open and free Internet.
>
>
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> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
>
> I dont dispute that. My sole point is that there's little or no
> connection from these to internet governance, and there are plenty of
> other fora where the rest of it gets extensively discussed - quite a
> few exclusively from a "south" / "left" etc perspective as well, if
> that's a criterion that some seek.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 21-Feb-2013, at 4:04, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com<mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> In essence, we live in a vast interconnected world and with something
> like the Internet, there are a plethora of issues that stem from the
> way that Internet is structured and the various regulatory mechanisms,
> diverse jurisdictional treatment etc.
>
> From a global public interest, it is in the interest of civil society
> to she informed of how various shifts in policies, laws, market
> behaviour, Internet architecture can affect the ordinary user.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 21, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
>
> The "application to cyberspace" part seems to be missing in that the
> frameworks being discussed are not specific to online copyright theft.
>
> Even there, the wgig report does seem to over stretch the igov
> definition to a considerable extent.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 21-Feb-2013, at 0:42, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com<mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
> Hi, is there an internet governance angle to this that I somehow missed?
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> Th WGIG 2005 Report identified Intellectual Property as an Internet
> Governance thematic area. See page 7:
>
> "23. Intellectual property rights (IPR)
> Application of intellectual property rights to cyberspace.
> • While there is agreement on the need for balance between the rights
> of holders and the rights of users, there are different views on the
> precise nature of the balance that will be most beneficial to all
> stakeholders, and whether the current IPR system is adequate to address
> the new issues posed by cyberspace. On the one hand, intellectual
> property rights holders are concerned about the high number of
> infringements, such as digital piracy, and the technologies developed
> to circumvent protective measures to prevent such infringements; on the
> other hand, users are concerned about market oligopolies, the
> impediments to access and use of digital content and the perceived unbalanced."
>
> Intellectual Property touches virtually every layer of the Information
> Infrastructure and layer of Internet Architecture, consider Verisign's
> Patent Application for Domain Name Transfers and other issues stemming
> from Digital Rights Management Systems and the use of Piracy Filters.
>
> For human rights advocates, the use of piracy filters can just as
> easily be used to filter content arbitrarily and where do you draw the
> line. The criminalization of things like breaking digital locks on
> software etc.
>
> The threats with the TPP is that there is a massive transition from
> being mere Traffic providers to policing the internet. The Berne
> Convention of course is one of the long standing international legal
> instruments that are widely accepted globally so by extension it is relevant.
>
> There are many links that you can go to see the link between IP and the
> Internet and here are just three:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/gov/issues/ip_rights.html
> https://www.eff.org/search/site/Trans%20Pacific%20partnership
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121011_perspective_on_verisign_patent_application_on_domain_transfers/
>
>
>
> On 20-Feb-2013, at 18:57,
> riaz.tayob at gmail.com<mailto:riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Using a treaty for the blind to push 3 strikes..
> >
> >> http://keionline.org/node/1655
>
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