[governance] Fwd: Why do US and EU trade negotiators hate the Berne Copyright Limitations and Exceptions? | Knowledge Ecology International

Diego Rafael Canabarro diegocanabarro at gmail.com
Sun Mar 3 22:20:33 EST 2013 

How to disentangle both?

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net>wrote:

>  A big difference between the two. Ideology is driven by a relatively
> blind belief system. Philosophy takes more facts into account, even if they
> conflict with ideology.
>
> --srs (htc one x)
>
> On 21 February 2013 12:04:10 PM Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro ** wrote:
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> On the contrary, policy is driven by philosophy or ideology.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
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> A perception of what different groups or individuals feel is the global
> public interest, more like?
>
> Ideology and policy, especially on the Internet, are a very bad mix. And I
> doubt you will get consensus on what constitutes global public interest.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 21-Feb-2013, at 11:15, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is interesting when advocacy in relation to global public interest is
> labelled as left/South.
> Civil society is seen as a watchdog and where it is told to stop speaking
> or expressing its views because they are "left" then there is a danger of
> being innoculated from subtle threats that affect what we hold dear, an
> open and free Internet.
>
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
>
> I dont dispute that.  My sole point is that there's little or no
> connection from these to internet governance, and there are plenty of other
> fora where the rest of it gets extensively discussed - quite a few
> exclusively from a "south" / "left" etc perspective as well, if that's a
> criterion that some seek.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 21-Feb-2013, at 4:04, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In essence, we live in a vast interconnected world and with something like
> the Internet, there are a plethora of issues that stem from the way that
> Internet is structured and the various regulatory mechanisms, diverse
> jurisdictional treatment etc.
>
> From a global public interest, it is in the interest of civil society to
> she informed of how various shifts in policies, laws, market behaviour,
> Internet architecture can affect the ordinary user.
>
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 21, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
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> The "application to cyberspace" part seems to be missing in that the
> frameworks being discussed are not specific to online copyright theft.
>
> Even there, the wgig report does seem to over stretch the igov definition
> to a considerable extent.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 21-Feb-2013, at 0:42, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi, is there an internet governance angle to this that I somehow missed?
>>
>> --srs (iPad)
>>
>
> Th WGIG 2005 Report identified Intellectual Property as an Internet
> Governance thematic area. See page 7:
>
> "*23. Intellectual property rights (IPR)*
> *Application of intellectual property rights to cyberspace.*
> • While there is agreement on the need for balance between the rights of
> holders and the rights of users, there are different views on the precise
> nature of the balance that will be most beneficial to all stakeholders, and
> whether the current IPR system is adequate to address the new issues posed
> by cyberspace. On the one hand, intellectual property rights holders are
> concerned about the high number of infringements, such as digital piracy,
> and the technologies developed to circumvent protective measures to prevent
> such infringements; on the other hand, users are concerned about market
> oligopolies, the impediments to access and use of digital content and the
> perceived unbalanced."
>
>  Intellectual Property touches virtually every layer of the Information
> Infrastructure and layer of Internet Architecture, consider Verisign's
> Patent Application for Domain Name Transfers and other issues stemming from
> Digital Rights Management Systems and the use of Piracy Filters.
>
> For human rights advocates, the use of piracy filters can just as easily
> be used to filter content arbitrarily and where do you draw the line. The
> criminalization of things like breaking digital locks on software etc.
>
> The threats with the TPP is that there is a massive transition from being
> mere Traffic providers to policing the internet. The Berne Convention of
> course is one of the long standing international legal instruments that are
> widely accepted globally so by extension it is relevant.
>
> There are many links that you can go to see the link between IP and the
> Internet and here are just three:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/gov/issues/ip_rights.html
> https://www.eff.org/search/site/Trans%20Pacific%20partnership
>
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20121011_perspective_on_verisign_patent_application_on_domain_transfers/
>
>
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>> On 20-Feb-2013, at 18:57, riaz.tayob at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Using a treaty for the blind to push 3 strikes..
>> >
>> >> http://keionline.org/node/1655
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