[governance] Fwd: PRISM - is it about the territorial location of data or its legal ownership

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Had to be said, thanks declan
And parminder, they don't owe you an answer, sorry

--srs (htc one x)



On 25 June 2013 3:12:56 AM Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> wrote:
> On Monday, June 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
> > I think one point here is whether any of the companies actually 
> challenged in court any of the rulings or requests for data, and to my 
> knowledge they did not. This suggests that either they were too scared of 
> the government to challenge the rulings, or they were in political 
> agreement with them.
>
>
> The fact that you're unaware of the companies challenging these requests in 
> court should not lead you to -- falsely -- assume they have not.
>
> I disclosed* last month, pre-NSA spying flap, that Google is litigating two 
> cases against the U.S. government, one in NYC and one in SF, over national 
> security requests. Google has additionally since squared off against the 
> DOJ before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. Yahoo also 
> mounted** a legal challenge before the FISC. Google, Yahoo, Facebook (from 
> memory) have insisted the police get warrants for archived email, even 
> though the law does not require police to do so. When DOJ sent Google a 
> subpoena for search logs, Google fought it in court. These companies are 
> lobbying Congress to enact a law to increase privacy standards, including 
> mobile privacy.
>
> Twitter successfully fought for the ability to notify the Wikileaks crew of 
> an order it received, who then fought it in court with the help of EFF and 
> ACLU. Facebook fought the state of Virginia. Amazon.com fought the DOJ in 
> court in Wisconsin and fought the North Carolina tax collectors in court in 
> Seattle.
>
> This is the opposite of the approach taken by telecommunications providers 
> including AT&T and Verizon.***
>
> None of this information is difficult to find. Would you like it if someone 
> said: "To my knowledge you haven't denied being a supporter of the Ku Klux 
> Klan. This suggests you are in political agreement with them?" :)
>
> -Declan
>
> ---
>
> * 
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57587005-38/justice-department-tries-to-force-google-to-hand-over-user-data/
> ** 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/technology/secret-court-ruling-put-tech-companies-in-data-bind.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0
> *** 
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589012-38/nsa-surveillance-retrospective-at-t-verizon-never-denied-it/
>
>
>



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