[governance] Opt out of PRISM

[Riaz K Tayob]

Kalchev

While some call me a conspiracy nut, this sounds conspiratorial... and I 
am afraid you are quite serious.

Are you certain about this view? The reason I ask is because then we 
need T&A (and Science and Technology more generally) to be democratised 
so that this kind of spying is limited or difficult to do.

This is what could be called a social cost (i.e. bilateral arrangements 
that have third party implications which are negative) and which need to 
be internalised into the technology (i.e. go to design issues) to 
minimise them... otherwise it is Bentham's Panopticon...

And it just means that unless one is air gapped, people could be 
Swartzed... I mean the statements thus far deal with many Human Rights, 
but the spying covers even attorney client privilege (they do this 
Guantanamo and have done it with Bradley Manning) without which there is 
no justice, no law, and a peculiar order... Was info used by NSA etc to 
squeeze Swartz etc all become relevant... He was broken by a state that 
seemed to have inordinate power...


On 2013/06/13 09:46 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>
> On 12.06.13 20:17, parminder wrote:
>> "Opt out of PRISM, the NSA’s global data surveillance program. Stop 
>> reporting your online activities to the American government with 
>> these free alternatives to proprietary software."
>> http://prism-break.org/
>>
>> Interesting!!
>>
>
> Yes, interesting. Interesting how people will believe anything, that 
> they might think would solve their "problem".
>
> The issue here is that NSA collects data in transit and at the server 
> side. Not so much on your own computer. They don't have to, actually. 
> So even if you use Linux, accessing Facebook, or even mailing to this 
> mailing list (or any other mailing list that you believe is "closed") 
> still gets intercepted and processed.
>
> By avoiding Windows, you simply cut off Microsoft. By avoiding OS X 
> you cut of Apple. But you never cut off NSA. You also hardly cut off 
> Google significantly, as they already bribed millions of web site 
> maintainers to include their spyware on their sites, in exchange of 
> money.
>
> If you need to do things securely, you need to understand the process 
> and build your own tools and environment -- in the process 
> "restricting" your possibilities. Then, you should be prepared to deal 
> with all the intelligence and counter-intelligence that will get 
> thrown at you.
>
> In short, "normal people" can do very little "against" NSA spying on 
> them, as this involves spending more than NSA spends. Which is hardly 
> doable. Even for most governments.
>
> Daniel
>
>



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