[governance] Is 'tit for tat' all that can be accomplished?

[Riaz K Tayob]

Ouch Avri, but I agree. Impasse it is.

I note the extreme double standards on this issue. When it is a matter 
affecting US citizens we must all move and take heed. When it is a 
(pre-dated) matter from the Third World voicing similar concerns then it 
is irrelevant.

You mistake the diatribes of the adversaries on this list if you think 
there is not a position on the public interest. There is a position on 
the public interest, and it must be technical so that 'experts' in their 
wisdom can shape the technology and policy for the rest of us. Just 
because some claim they are 'against' the state does not mean that I am 
blind to the objective politics that they seek to shape the 
state/i.governance in their peculiar way.

And I and others are open to debating how claims of 'irrelevance', 
technical etc have led to this. Now that Third Worldists use the very 
same standards that were used against them to question the 'calls to 
unity' these standards are not applicable?




On 2013/06/11 02:55 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> On 11 Jun 2013, at 07:00, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>
>> Notably, it is not apolitical.  Therefore we shouldn't have to start at square 1 whenever it comes to agreeing on a position that advances the public interest; we can begin by ruling out all the positions that conflict with the Vision, and dismissing them when they hold up consensus.
>
> All well and good, but we need to agree of what constitutes the public interest.  And it has become apparent that we often do not.
>
> We used to agree on some things, like a multi-stakehoder approach, but over the years, even support for that has splintered.  I find that discussions on this list, for all their obfuscating venom are indeed about the search for the point of public interest.  And we are fundamentally split on that.
>
> Some have gone so far as to argue that they hold the key to the public interest because they are A, B or C, and those who disagree with them are T&A infidels who sold out to corporate interests.  Someday we may get beyond this episode. In the meantime I expect the impasse will continue.
>
> avri
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