[governance] Have there been any statements re: PRISM from the "technical community"

Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com
Mon Jun 10 14:33:07 EDT 2013


Dear Riaz,
My response was intended to speak to Kerry's comment:

.... We are a community that is made up of communities. Many people have
their fingers in many communities. There is a lot of overlap. Trying to
reduce every conversation to sides is not useful and only causes division
when we should be seeking unification and consensus.

"They" are real experts at divide and rule; if "we" allow ourselves to be
divided, we will be ruled for sure.

You quote from Martin Niemoller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
In the context of your reply I find this a little strange, because I have
always understood Niemoller's words to be one of the great human appeals to
unity and solidarity and responsibility to one's fellow human beings.

Best wishes
Deirdre




On 10 June 2013 12:29, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:

>  It is Sisyphean task.
>
> But please let us avoid revisionism. We need to test the veracity and
> politics of colleagues on this list and see if they have been justified in
> taking the positions they do.
>
> Cream rises to the top, but crap also floats unfortunately. So let us not
> be too hasty in calls for unity. The wheat needs to be separated from the
> chaff. After all nothing like reality or evidence to do this job. After
> all, you all are anti-American by doing this by some definitions of the
> term on this list. And let us not forget that the people pushing these
> views have had inordinate play on this list so they have to reap what they
> have sown, and be graded by their perspicacity. On this issue in this
> space, slow is better.
>
>
>  First they came for the socialists<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist>
> ,
> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
>
> Then they came for the trade unionists<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unionist>
> ,
> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>
> Then they came for the Jews <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews>,
> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
>
> Then they came for me,
> and there was no one left to speak for me.
>
>
>
> On 2013/06/10 06:50 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>
> From a practical point of view this is a bad time to show fractures within
> the civil society group.
> Many (most??) of us have formally identified ourselves as "civil society".
> If this means anything at all it means that we hold some values in common.
> If we all push together at the same boulder - who knows? - we might even
> be able to get it to the top of the hill without its rolling down and
> squashing us.
> Although since stone-rolling was the punishment for deceit this may not be
> the best image to use in the context.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus
> Or perhaps like Camus we "must imagine Sisyphus happy" and keep on
> struggling.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus
>  Deirdre
>
>
> On 10 June 2013 10:37, Kerry Brown <kerry at kdbsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know if this counts as the "technical community" but it does
>> provide a plausible technical scenario.
>>
>> As an aside I am really getting tired of the us vs. them conversations.
>> We are a community that is made up of communities. Many people have their
>> fingers in many communities. There is a lot of overlap. Trying to reduce
>> every conversation to sides is not useful and only causes division when we
>> should be seeking unification and consensus.
>>
>> Kerry Brown
>>
>>
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