[governance] NTIA on certain geographic names...

[Mawaki Chango]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:10 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> You can have all kind of combinations.
>
> What about .zon? Then you can have ama.zon. What about .nia nd go for
> patago.nia, alba.nia, tanza.nia.
>

Exactly!!! So that all the fuss about TLDs, trademarks and geographic names
will become history, and ICANN will be much less about creating new rights
or protecting vested interests! And then we can focus more on actual
infrastructure and usage issues.
mC


>
> Just playing with words :-))))
>
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> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Mawaki Chango
> Gesendet: Di 09.07.2013 16:00
> An: Internet Governance
> Betreff: Re: [governance] NTIA on certain geographic names...
>
>
> Hey,
>
>
> Just one crazy idea... Since domain names are not supposed to be
> trademarks or brand names, why should we/ICANN care about the integrity of
> a brand name at any given level (primary, secondary, etc.) of the DNS? In
> other words, we should be able to solve that problem by allowing ourselves
> to have domain names such as these:
>
> geo.amazon
> co.amazon
> geo.patagonia
> co.patagonia
>
> Why not? Especially if the Co's are just going to use their brand gTLD
> only for their corporate needs, and not to provide domain name registration
> to the public.
>
> Thanks, Avri, for the refreshing and update, which is helpful. Since I
> left the GNSO Council I've unfortunately had too many other things to read
> than ICANN's outputs, so wasn't so sure how much of those early ideas made
> it to the final policy. At least this gives me the illusion that I can
> still rely on my memory. The problem you're pointing to is a real problem
> with ICANN processes whereby a policy development process can take 5 years
> and more (how long for the Whois policy?), so much so that by the time it
> gets to implementation most of the people who participated in the
> design/development process are no longer around and their say, if and when
> they care to comment, is not given as much attention as it would have, had
> they still been in office/representation.
>
> Mawaki
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Roland Perry <
> roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>
>
>         In message <
> CACTo+v8O__vkuZKDTs8SaNGS+gzhf_+_WmfJhBwHYLRyxn41Cw at mail.gmail.com<mailto:
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> >, at 10:18:42 on Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
> writes
>
>
>                 It makes sense to me that national sovereignty does not
> provide for any exclusive rights over the use of names of places or words
> of a language, even if that language is only spoken in one country on
> earth. However, the people living in those places (eg, cities) should have
> a say in one form or the other, to the extent that the name at hand
> unambiguously or presumptively designates one such place or that the TLD
> string is meant to do so. In other terms, this should be the business of
> the local community, not the central government
>
>
>
>         Geographic names are a minefield. Paris, Texas; anyone?
>
>         But the ICANN process decided (as it has before with countries) to
> use ISO lists. Although when I asked at an ICANN meeting, staff could not
> produce a copy of the list so that we could understand what it was we were
> potentially agreeing to.
>
>         However, ISO (being to some extent based on places you might want
> to mail a letter to) does not recognise 'non-sovereign regions' like
> Scandinavia or Patagonia.
>
>         It does, however, recognise regions within countries, like Delta
> (in Nigeria) which creates an instant conflict with a well known airline.
>         --
>         Roland Perry
>
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