[governance] NTIA on certain geographic names...

[Mawaki Chango]

Hey,

Just one crazy idea... Since domain names are not supposed to be trademarks
or brand names, why should we/ICANN care about the integrity of a brand
name at any given level (primary, secondary, etc.) of the DNS? In other
words, we should be able to solve that problem by allowing ourselves to
have domain names such as these:

geo.amazon
co.amazon
geo.patagonia
co.patagonia

Why not? Especially if the Co's are just going to use their brand gTLD only
for their corporate needs, and not to provide domain name registration to
the public.

Thanks, Avri, for the refreshing and update, which is helpful. Since I left
the GNSO Council I've unfortunately had too many other things to read than
ICANN's outputs, so wasn't so sure how much of those early ideas made it to
the final policy. At least this gives me the illusion that I can still rely
on my memory. The problem you're pointing to is a real problem with ICANN
processes whereby a policy development process can take 5 years and more
(how long for the Whois policy?), so much so that by the time it gets to
implementation most of the people who participated in the
design/development process are no longer around and their say, if and when
they care to comment, is not given as much attention as it would have, had
they still been in office/representation.

Mawaki


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Roland Perry <
roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:

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> at 10:18:42 on Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> writes
>
>  It makes sense to me that national sovereignty does not provide for any
>> exclusive rights over the use of names of places or words of a language,
>> even if that language is only spoken in one country on earth. However, the
>> people living in those places (eg, cities) should have a say in one form or
>> the other, to the extent that the name at hand unambiguously or
>> presumptively designates one such place or that the TLD string is meant to
>> do so. In other terms, this should be the business of the local community,
>> not the central government
>>
>
> Geographic names are a minefield. Paris, Texas; anyone?
>
> But the ICANN process decided (as it has before with countries) to use ISO
> lists. Although when I asked at an ICANN meeting, staff could not produce a
> copy of the list so that we could understand what it was we were
> potentially agreeing to.
>
> However, ISO (being to some extent based on places you might want to mail
> a letter to) does not recognise 'non-sovereign regions' like Scandinavia or
> Patagonia.
>
> It does, however, recognise regions within countries, like Delta (in
> Nigeria) which creates an instant conflict with a well known airline.
> --
> Roland Perry
>
>
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