[governance] France Proposes an Internet Tax

Vanda UOL vanda at uol.com.br
Tue Jan 22 17:44:33 EST 2013 

Hi Nick they probably not aware of this side of the problem but I do agree.
Best, 

Vanda Scartezini
Sent from my iPhone

On 22/01/2013, at 18:18, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org> wrote:

> It would not be possible for a measure  to target foreign companies only - that would breach France's WTO obligations (and that of many other countries were they to try to do the same thing).
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> On 22 Jan 2013, at 17:54, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
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>> I think his point is sauce bonne pour l'oie, est bon pour le jars, with google being the heavily taxed goose and local french internet portals, news sites etc that carry ads being the gander that, he fears, will go scot free, if this law is targeted solely at google / fb type foreign sites.
>> 
>> --srs (iPad)
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>> On 22-Jan-2013, at 22:12, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Milton, is it that you don't like this particular tax or that you don't like taxes in general.
>>>  
>>> If the former I'ld be interested to know in some more detail what it is about this particular tax you don't like (apart from the fact that it is a tax being introduced by the French) and what you would replace it with to obtain revenues from this emerging sector assuming that you think folks like Google and their Internet compatriots should pay their fair share as very many are now insisting. 
>>>  
>>> If it is the latter I would be curious to know how you see responsible states being able to meet the challenge of reponding to the collective challenges/responsibilities of the modern state so ably articulated last evening by your President.
>>>  
>>> MG
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>>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:25 AM
>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Andrea Glorioso
>>> Subject: RE: [governance] France Proposes an Internet Tax
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>>> The report published Friday said a tax on data collection was justified on grounds that users of services like Google and Facebook are, in effect, working for these companies without pay by providing the personal information that lets them sell advertising.
>>> 
>>> [Milton L Mueller] Good deal. In order to compensate and protect us from “working without pay” we will work for the government of France without pay as well. Cartesian logic at work.
>>> 
>>> Or perhaps they will use the revenues to subsidize access to Facebook and Google, since they charge their users so much that…um, well, some of them, um, can’t afford… oh, never mind.
>>> 
>>> Of course, this is just a tax on the advertisers, in the end. It will simply increase the costs of Google/Facebook and be recovered from advertisers.
>>> 
>>> It wouldn’t be France however unless you threw a soupcon of anti-Americanism and trade protectionism into the pot as well (will the same tax will be applied to all commercial broadcasters in France, whose viewers are sold to advertisers “without pay”?) How about French newspapers with ads – their poor customers even have to pay for the newspaper, and then are sold to advertisers. Merde!
>>> 
>>> Interestingly, this whole line of argument presumes that the services users receive in return for their data are worthless. Remember that next time you hear someone claim that Google and Facebook are “essential facilities” that no one can live without.
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>>> It’s sad that governments that just want more money have to strain to come up with trendy rationalizations. What happened to the good old days when they just sent in armed thugs to appropriate a bunch of your pigs and cows?
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