From joana at varonferraz.com Thu Jan 31 17:37:47 2013 From: joana at varonferraz.com (Joana Varon) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:37:47 -0200 Subject: [bestbits] [governance] Multistakeholder Roles and Responsibilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, I think some people of the governance list felt off from this thread because people that replied were not in both lists, if so, please, refer to the exchange of mensages bellow. Basically, some of us are willing to draft to communications to ITU: 1) adaptation of the best bits statement (on the content of WTPF documents), 2) follow-up on the letter to the SG during WCIT (on process/barriers faced by civil society). With that in mind, Deborah Brown and I have drafted the following text for the item 2 (follow-up letter to SG). (Is it right that CDT is working on the first draft for number 1?) We hope that the draft bellow is useful and if you think so, could you please add comments until Monday? As Jeremy have mentioned, let us try to ask for special dispensation to contribute and try to submit both letters (or just this one) with CS signatures during next week meeting. Would those attending next week's IEG meeting (Matthew, Avri?) support this letter and agree to deliver it in Geneva? Hope it helps! Kind regards, Joana -- Joana Varon Ferraz Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade (CTS-FGV) http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts/ www.freenetfilm.org @joana_varon -------- 31 January, 2012 Open letter to ITU in ref. World Telecommunication Policy Forum (WTPF-13) preparation process Dear Secretary General Touré, Recalling Tunis Agenda (Paragraph 35, in particular) we, the undersigned members of civil society, write to urge International Telecommunication Union (ITU) to honor previous commitments expressed by the Secretary General in order to recognize the importance of ensuring meaningful and sustainable civil society participation in the preparatory process undertaken for the World Telecommunication Policy Forum (WTPF). The few civil society representatives who were in Dubai attending WCIT welcomed the opportunity to meet with you. On that occasion, we shared with you the concerns expressed in a letterthat gained the support of over 60 members of civil society globally. At that time, main issues were: the lack of any official standing to the public comments solicited prior to WCIT at the ITU’s invitation; the lack of access to and transparency of working groups, particularly the working groups of Committee 5; and the absence of mechanisms to encourage independent civil society participation. We welcome that you included the public comments in an information note to members of the ITU, where you have recognizedthe “ *benefits from a greater civil society engagement at ITU” and have *committed “*to take stock” and provide your membership with “some important recommendations” in line with the issue that civil society representatives raised. * Yet, as preparations are underway for the WTPF, civil society finds itself facing familiar barriers to participation: 1) There is no formal mechanism for civil society to independently make contributions to the preparatory process. We recognize that you have on a number of occasions encouraged member states to form multistakeholder delegations, but as representatives of civil society has expressed to you previously, civil society participation in national delegations cannot substitute for engagement with independent members of civil society. We request the opportunity to submit comments on the SG’s report and Member State opinions, similar to the Public Views and Opinions page for the WCIT, but with the guarantee that these opinions will be entered into the formal record. We recognize that the deadline for contributions was 1 February 2013, but given these barriers. 2) There are significant barriers to entry for meaningful participation in the May 2013 WTPF meeting. While we welcome that there is a formal process to apply to attend as a “public attendant”, there is no indication that civil society representatives who attend will have speaking rights at the meeting. As previously expressed in the Best Bits statement,we call for the ITU to create spaces during WTPF for civil society to express their views, as was done during the WSIS process. We also request that the WTPF be live streamed to allow for civil society and members of the public to follow remotely. Additionally the vetting process is opaque, with no public guidelines for who is accepted as a public attendant. We call for the ITU to provide guidance on how the applications admitted. [ 3) While some members of civil society have been invited to participate in the Informal Experts Group (IEG), this notice came too late in the process-- just a few weeks before the IEG’s final meeting-- for most individuals to find the resources to travel to Geneva. Furthermore, participation in the final IEG meeting is not sufficient for meaningful participation in the WTPF process. We regret that this opportunity was not communicated earlier and more publicly, and call for civil society to be included earlier in the process in future ITU meetings.] Sincerely, *Questions:* 1) When was the IEG opened to civil society participation? Was it just that we didn’t know to ask? [We have heard that the USG had sent a letter to the IEG Chair to request CS participation, waiting to hear back if that happened and when.] 2) Do members of the IEG have speaking rights at the WTPF May meeting? i.e. if civil society is on the IEG, then do they have the right to speak at the WTPF? 3) Is it possible to participate meaningfully in the IEG without attending in person, i.e. remote participation, contributions over email, etc. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Joana Varonferraz wrote: > Let's do it, Mathew. > > Are you already coordinating with CDT to adapt best bits statement? > > I'm between meetings but I can start a draft of the follow up on the > letter to SG. Deborah, from Access, might help. Anyone who has a little > time to help is more then welcome. We will start it in about 2 hours. > > Lets try to have both drafts by the end of the day and try not to be so > creative, just departuring from the points and views of previous consensus, > as these letters will be just follow ups from previous "achievements", > right? > > Best > > Joana > > --- ~ --- ~ --- ~ > Joana Varon Ferraz > Researcher > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade (CTS/FGV) > www.freenetfilm.org > > > On 31/01/2013, at 09:52, Gene Kimmelman wrote: > > I agree also on this approach > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: matthew shears > Date: > To: bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org,Jeremy Malcolm , > joana at varonferraz.com > Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Multistakeholder Roles and > Responsibilities > > > > I agree with Joana and Jeremy - there are two communications we should do > pretty quickly: > > 1) take the Best Bits WCIT statement and adapt it - or at least the first > part on transparency and access, etc. - to the WTPF. I personally don't > see the participation challenges for civil society being much less than > they were at the WCIT - which is ironic because the WTPF is not a > treaty-making conference - and the IEG is not adequate by any means (I am > on the IEG and will be attending next week). I'm sure CDT would be happy > to take a first cut at this text. > > 2) follow-up on the letter to the SG and the meeting we had in Dubai in > which participation in the WTPF was discussed. > > If there is agreement on text on 1 above I can raise points from it or > read it in the IEG meeting next week for Best Bits. > > While I understand the Brazilian telecoms regulator's view there are a > number of points in the SG's 4th report that refer to multistakeholderism > in Internet governance issues and there are two opinions submitted so far > that take positions I believe are contrary to civil society's interests in > terms of stakeholder participation and enhanced cooperation. I think > civil society messaging on these issues is as important for the WTPF as it > was for the WCIT. > > And finally, who on this list is going to the UNESCO WSIS/IGF meeting at > the end of February? Thought it might be good to have a gathering during > that week to compare notes on WSIS+10/IGF and discuss WTPF? > > Best > > Matthew > > > > > On 31/01/2013 09:01, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 31/01/13 05:15, Joana Varon wrote: > > Sorry for the late reply after the sympathy some have expressed on > drafting a letter highlighting the promises of Dr Touré at the WCIT SC > meeting. I was approaching the Brazilian government for support on our > demand for space and participation of civil society organizations on ITU > processes. > > Though showing solidarity with the cause, Brazilian government (or our > telecom regulatory agency responsible for representing the country at ITU) > has signaled that WTPF is not the proper sphere to submit extensive > contribution regarding CS participation, the plenipotentiary would be so. > So, as far as I know, Brazil will submit a contribution to WTPF only > generally speaking about openness and transparency, but not presenting a > particular proposal for change in the mechanisms for civil society > participation. > > In that sense, they have also addressed the existence of Informal > Experts Group for WTPF, highlighting that: > ... > > Well, this is surely not satisfactory, so, with that in mind, I wonder if > we should go for that joined CS letter focusing on WTPF and stressing > previous commitments from the Secretary General, do we still have time? Or, > for the ones how are more aware of UN bodies internal procedures, do we > have to wait the loooong time for the plenipot? What could we grasp right > now? > > > (I'm quoting almost your whole message because I intend on forwarding my > reply to the wcit12 list too, as an almost identical discussion is going on > there.) > > The deadline for comments on the Secretary General's report is tomorrow, > so we may be hard pressed to do anything by then! Having said that, we > could ask for special dispensation to contribute a belated submission, as > was granted for the Best Bits statement to WCIT. > > Personally I am unlikely to have time to take the lead on a letter but I > am supportive of the idea and would have comments to give on a draft if say > you or Emma from CDT were to send some draft text. The IGC has not > successfully done a statement for a while, and Best Bits is in transition > (watch this space), so probably it would probably not be under either of > those umbrellas, but rather a generic civil society letter to which groups > could sign on. > > I agree that the invitation to participate in the IEG is no substitute, > though for those who can, good on them. Avri said she is on the group and > there is CDT, but unless you count ISOC (I don't), there is no other civil > society that I know of. Doubtless largely due to the lack of funding, as > always (that's why I won't be there). > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > *Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:* > http://consint.info/RightsMission > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The agreement contains an investor-state > arbitration clause, which gives multinational > companies the right to directly sue states in international tribunals. > CETA places these arbitration tribunals above the high courts of Europe > and Canada. > [snip] - - - Hi, CISPA, TPP, CETA and CleanIT are birds of the same feather, and we'll see more of them every year. After ACTA was shot down in 2012 by the EU parliament, international IP lobbies got to cranking out a diversity of alliances limited to a few countries. It seems they surmise that public opponents won't be able to mount massive campaigns against each and every voting or approval process. Once a mere two or three alliances are approved lobbies can attract or coerce more countries to join in and eventually coalesce them all. Even though they work in secrecy, leaks reveal that they recycle ACTA provisions and more. The EU Commission, which doesn't exist politically in IG debates, is trying to play a more visible role, while being no more than a follower in the hands of IP gangs. Not all countries are as abusive as the USA on IP, but it's a convenient fig leaf for pushing other objectives, censorship, tracking political or religious opponents, security, terrorism, economic intelligence, fraud, etc. All these activities rely on sophisticated surveillance systems, secrecy, speedy reaction, hence no effective judicial control. A dream for totalitarian governments. Louis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Thu Jan 31 23:55:03 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:55:03 -0800 Subject: [governance] NomCom update In-Reply-To: <20130131083413.74c84db3@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130130223533.077cea48@quill.bollow.ch> <510A04E9.6080000@ciroap.org> <20130131083413.74c84db3@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <88D413C0-593A-43DF-BADC-AF88601048AC@acm.org> Hi, Yes, it was beautifully done. Not that I reran it. I wonder if anyone did? Hope so. for completeness sake. avri On 30 Jan 2013, at 23:34, Norbert Bollow wrote: > [IGC Coordinator hat on] > > Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > >> A quibble: was the numbered list of members, and that the UK National >> Lottery results would be used as the random seed, circulated ahead of >> time? > > Yes, it was: In the message titled "NomCom selection process; request > for advice", Message-ID: <20130127003621.66061f79 at quill.bollow.ch>, > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:36:21 +0100, I had written: "The random seed > will consist of the seven numbers of the Wednesday January 30 Lotto > draw of the UK National Lottery", and I had also repeated, explicitly > for the sake of completeness, the numbered list of volunteers that Sala > had already previously posted. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Thu Jan 31 22:20:21 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:20:21 +0800 Subject: [governance] caucus contribution, consultation and MAG meeting In-Reply-To: <20130131125841.3dde960c@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20130127120551.1db0b299@quill.bollow.ch> <51051017.80103@itforchange.net> <20130128160554.50c4cfa4@quill.bollow.ch> <20130128152553.GA22217@hserus.net> <20130128170918.580f9cf3@quill.bollow.ch> <20130131125841.3dde960c@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <08EAADBD-7AA9-4EFD-BEE6-CC5D45B8888A@ciroap.org> On 31/01/2013, at 7:58 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Dear all > > Could you please have a look at Baudouin Schombe's comments on > paragraphs 4 and 5 of the draft text at > http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/79 > > Maybe someone is able to make a good specific suggestion on how to > improve our draft text on the basis of these comments? This is a bit wordy but "Main sessions and workshops should not be competing with each other, as they are not substitutes. Workshops are the best forum for self-selected groups to exchange information, opinions and experiences. These can be more productive than main sessions, but are often limited to narrow communities of interest and can therefore lack external impact. Main sessions are better for bringing the insights developed through workshops and dynamic coalition members to the broader community of IGF participants, including those with influence over or connections to processes of policy development. Main sessions have the potential to allow for high-level consensus-building and strategising on how these insights can be reflected in policy and/or technical processes elsewhere, sometimes across issue areas: for example, messages on critical Internet resources might also be relevant to those involved in security or openness issues and vice versa. Therefore main sessions should not be treated as just "big workshops" relevant only to those with topical interests, but should be for the broadest possible segment of the IGF community to attend. This means not scheduling at least some key main sessions (but perhaps fewer of them overall) that do not coincide with workshops." -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pranesh at cis-india.org Tue Jan 1 05:01:13 2013 From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:31:13 +0530 Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! In-Reply-To: <50DEEB11.8030008@gmail.com> References: <023601cde551$8654aba0$92fe02e0$@gmail.com> <7E3C2C354F234F6ABA07A09298A909E2@yourh4vl8csyi6> <50DEEB11.8030008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50E2B3E9.1060907@cis-india.org> Riaz K Tayob [2012-12-29 18:37]: > See Nader on this issue... here > . While Nader is quite relevant to the current discussion, I fail to see how this article of his pertains to this thread. > Will try to dig out something on why oligopoly is a better approach to > understand these kinds of markets than the simple competition vs > monopoly argument... Even assuming oligopoly is the better approach, what is the precise statement of the problem and what is the solution that the "oligopoly approach" provides? -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <50E2B3E9.1060907@cis-india.org> References: <023601cde551$8654aba0$92fe02e0$@gmail.com> <7E3C2C354F234F6ABA07A09298A909E2@yourh4vl8csyi6> <50DEEB11.8030008@gmail.com> <50E2B3E9.1060907@cis-india.org> Message-ID: <005e01cde83b$c3f46260$4bdd2720$@gmail.com> Pranesh, I think the (high) relevance of the Nader article is in response to the position articulated by (I believe it was) David Conrad and Suresh, with respect to (particularly Facebook) that "ya' pays yer money and ya' takes yer chances" errr... you sign up to the service which includes "assenting" to some indecipherable contract waiver and then (according to them) you are subject to whatever whims or fancies their over-clever and over-priced lawyers and evil twin marketers come up with in their capricious privacy (or whatever) statement of the day... forevermore... M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Pranesh Prakash Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:01 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Riaz K Tayob Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! Riaz K Tayob [2012-12-29 18:37]: > See Nader on this issue... here > . While Nader is quite relevant to the current discussion, I fail to see how this article of his pertains to this thread. > Will try to dig out something on why oligopoly is a better approach to > understand these kinds of markets than the simple competition vs > monopoly argument... Even assuming oligopoly is the better approach, what is the precise statement of the problem and what is the solution that the "oligopoly approach" provides? -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue Jan 1 11:33:47 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (=?utf-8?B?U3VyZXNoIFJhbWFzdWJyYW1hbmlhbg==?=) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:03:47 +0530 Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! Message-ID: Let me be frank.. It is an established fact that a contract to engage in illegal behavior is an invalid contract, ab initio. So, if a website's contract with a user was to contravene some existing law in a country where the user is located, or were it to contravene US law, it would be automatically rendered invalid. Which is, I am sure you will appreciate, the reason why any such contact and all its revisions, would go through extensive due diligence legal review. And, especially when a country's privacy, data protection, fair trade etc regulator has received complaints about the website, their lawyers would carry out an equally thorough review with a view to possible enforcement action against the website So.. This might be more difficult than simply blogging about how disrespectful of user privacy a website is, but try to find where they violate local laws in their collection and use of your personal data, and complain to the appropriate regulator --srs (htc one x) ----- Reply message ----- From: "michael gurstein" To: , "'Pranesh Prakash'" Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! Date: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:49 PM Pranesh, I think the (high) relevance of the Nader article is in response to the position articulated by (I believe it was) David Conrad and Suresh, with respect to (particularly Facebook) that "ya' pays yer money and ya' takes yer chances" errr... you sign up to the service which includes "assenting" to some indecipherable contract waiver and then (according to them) you are subject to whatever whims or fancies their over-clever and over-priced lawyers and evil twin marketers come up with in their capricious privacy (or whatever) statement of the day... forevermore... M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Pranesh Prakash Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:01 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Riaz K Tayob Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! Riaz K Tayob [2012-12-29 18:37]: > See Nader on this issue... here > . While Nader is quite relevant to the current discussion, I fail to see how this article of his pertains to this thread. > Will try to dig out something on why oligopoly is a better approach to > understand these kinds of markets than the simple competition vs > monopoly argument... Even assuming oligopoly is the better approach, what is the precise statement of the problem and what is the solution that the "oligopoly approach" provides? -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <005e01cde83b$c3f46260$4bdd2720$@gmail.com> References: <023601cde551$8654aba0$92fe02e0$@gmail.com> <7E3C2C354F234F6ABA07A09298A909E2@yourh4vl8csyi6> <50DEEB11.8030008@gmail.com> <50E2B3E9.1060907@cis-india.org> <005e01cde83b$c3f46260$4bdd2720$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50E31283.5020605@cis-india.org> michael gurstein [2013-01-01 21:49]: > Pranesh, I think the (high) relevance of the Nader article is in > response to the position articulated by (I believe it was) David > Conrad and Suresh, with respect to (particularly Facebook) that "ya' > pays yer money and ya' takes yer chances" errr... you sign up to the > service which includes "assenting" to some indecipherable contract > waiver and then (according to them) you are subject to whatever whims > or fancies their over-clever and over-priced lawyers and evil twin > marketers come up with in their capricious privacy (or whatever) > statement of the day... forevermore... Nader's work on standard-form contracts and on unequal bargaining power is why I said "Nader is quite relevant to the current discussion". Indeed, I have argued in numerous places (including at the IGF12 in WS 141, the panel on industry self-governance) that increased network effects and lack of substitutability are grave problems that leave traditional competition law analysis problematic. In the transcript from that, see the bit that starts off with "Very briefly, two kinds of examples of what I am talking about in terms of restrictions" (warning: there are a number of errors in the transcription, but you should be able to get the gist of where I'm going): http://goo.gl/mttFp I still do not see the relevance of the article that Riaz forwarded. -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008b01cde844$f34b9750$d9e2c5f0$@gmail.com> These kinds of hrrrmph "the law is the law" arguments are to my mind just silly… Of course, the "law is the law", nobody is arguing that… the problem is that in this area as they say, the "law is (or may be) an ass" and some way of achieving order/justice needs to be found… Yesterday, I think I "assented" to two or three of these agreements… and of course, I didn't read them… I'm not a lawyer, I don't have the time or the interest and the stakes for me in those instances weren't sufficiently large for me to make much of an investment in working through the fine fine print… So, what does that mean… that the owner of those contracts can within the rather shall we say, "flexible" limits of those contracts, play fast and loose with my data, my text, my credit card information etc.etc. I guess if they egregiously break law, no, but if they skirt the edge of the law which is what seems to be happening in these kinds of cases again who has the time or resources to call them out. In fact, blogging seems to be about the best way of handling these things at this point… Conrad I think it was referred to Instagram and the apparent (I guess there is some dispute on this) significant loss of stock market value when various bloggers called them out on some of this kind of egregious behaviour. But blogging seems to be hit and miss and what Nader was calling for was some rather more systematic approach and some way of introducing some form of order/justice into these relationships. So again enough with the mock outrage… There are enough real things to be outraged about. M M From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:34 AM To: gurstein at gmail.com; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; pranesh at cis-india.org Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! Let me be frank.. It is an established fact that a contract to engage in illegal behavior is an invalid contract, ab initio. So, if a website's contract with a user was to contravene some existing law in a country where the user is located, or were it to contravene US law, it would be automatically rendered invalid. Which is, I am sure you will appreciate, the reason why any such contact and all its revisions, would go through extensive due diligence legal review. And, especially when a country's privacy, data protection, fair trade etc regulator has received complaints about the website, their lawyers would carry out an equally thorough review with a view to possible enforcement action against the website So.. This might be more difficult than simply blogging about how disrespectful of user privacy a website is, but try to find where they violate local laws in their collection and use of your personal data, and complain to the appropriate regulator --srs (htc one x) ----- Reply message ----- From: "michael gurstein" To: , "'Pranesh Prakash'" Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! Date: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:49 PM Pranesh, I think the (high) relevance of the Nader article is in response to the position articulated by (I believe it was) David Conrad and Suresh, with respect to (particularly Facebook) that "ya' pays yer money and ya' takes yer chances" errr... you sign up to the service which includes "assenting" to some indecipherable contract waiver and then (according to them) you are subject to whatever whims or fancies their over-clever and over-priced lawyers and evil twin marketers come up with in their capricious privacy (or whatever) statement of the day... forevermore... M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Pranesh Prakash Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:01 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Riaz K Tayob Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! Riaz K Tayob [2012-12-29 18:37]: > See Nader on this issue... here > . While Nader is quite relevant to the current discussion, I fail to see how this article of his pertains to this thread. > Will try to dig out something on why oligopoly is a better approach to > understand these kinds of markets than the simple competition vs > monopoly argument... Even assuming oligopoly is the better approach, what is the precise statement of the problem and what is the solution that the "oligopoly approach" provides? -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 12:54:00 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 09:54:00 -0800 Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! In-Reply-To: <50E31283.5020605@cis-india.org> References: <023601cde551$8654aba0$92fe02e0$@gmail.com> <7E3C2C354F234F6ABA07A09298A909E2@yourh4vl8csyi6> <50DEEB11.8030008@gmail.com> <50E2B3E9.1060907@cis-india.org> <005e01cde83b$c3f46260$4bdd2720$@gmail.com> <50E31283.5020605@cis-india.org> Message-ID: <00ca01cde848$fb17c220$f1474660$@gmail.com> BTW, I probably should mention that for some reason your emails are all ending up in my "junk e-mail" folder... Which I don't always check... M -----Original Message----- From: Pranesh Prakash [mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:45 AM To: michael gurstein Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! michael gurstein [2013-01-01 21:49]: > Pranesh, I think the (high) relevance of the Nader article is in > response to the position articulated by (I believe it was) David > Conrad and Suresh, with respect to (particularly Facebook) that "ya' > pays yer money and ya' takes yer chances" errr... you sign up to the > service which includes "assenting" to some indecipherable contract > waiver and then (according to them) you are subject to whatever whims > or fancies their over-clever and over-priced lawyers and evil twin > marketers come up with in their capricious privacy (or whatever) > statement of the day... forevermore... Nader's work on standard-form contracts and on unequal bargaining power is why I said "Nader is quite relevant to the current discussion". Indeed, I have argued in numerous places (including at the IGF12 in WS 141, the panel on industry self-governance) that increased network effects and lack of substitutability are grave problems that leave traditional competition law analysis problematic. In the transcript from that, see the bit that starts off with "Very briefly, two kinds of examples of what I am talking about in terms of restrictions" (warning: there are a number of errors in the transcription, but you should be able to get the gist of where I'm going): http://goo.gl/mttFp I still do not see the relevance of the article that Riaz forwarded. -- Pranesh Prakash Policy Director Centre for Internet and Society T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue Jan 1 17:40:11 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 04:10:11 +0530 Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! In-Reply-To: <008b01cde844$f34b9750$d9e2c5f0$@gmail.com> References: <008b01cde844$f34b9750$d9e2c5f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: See, blogging doesn't help unless it is egregious enough Facebook tripping themselves up with their own policies, such as the zuckerberg family photo, is certainly getting covered, with relish, in media with a rather wider coverage footprint. As civil society we can do a lot more than simply blog, post fb messages or tweet about it, about any site that egregiously violates privacy. --srs (iPad) On 01-Jan-2013, at 22:55, "michael gurstein" wrote: > These kinds of hrrrmph "the law is the law" arguments are to my mind just silly… Of course, the "law is the law", nobody is arguing that… the problem is that in this area as they say, the "law is (or may be) an ass" and some way of achieving order/justice needs to be found… > > Yesterday, I think I "assented" to two or three of these agreements… and of course, I didn't read them… I'm not a lawyer, I don't have the time or the interest and the stakes for me in those instances weren't sufficiently large for me to make much of an investment in working through the fine fine print… > > So, what does that mean… that the owner of those contracts can within the rather shall we say, "flexible" limits of those contracts, play fast and loose with my data, my text, my credit card information etc.etc. I guess if they egregiously break law, no, but if they skirt the edge of the law which is what seems to be happening in these kinds of cases again who has the time or resources to call them out. > > In fact, blogging seems to be about the best way of handling these things at this point… Conrad I think it was referred to Instagram and the apparent (I guess there is some dispute on this) significant loss of stock market value when various bloggers called them out on some of this kind of egregious behaviour. But blogging seems to be hit and miss and what Nader was calling for was some rather more systematic approach and some way of introducing some form of order/justice into these relationships. > > So again enough with the mock outrage… There are enough real things to be outraged about. > > M > > M > > From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:34 AM > To: gurstein at gmail.com; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; pranesh at cis-india.org > Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! > > Let me be frank.. It is an established fact that a contract to engage in illegal behavior is an invalid contract, ab initio. > > So, if a website's contract with a user was to contravene some existing law in a country where the user is located, or were it to contravene US law, it would be automatically rendered invalid. > > Which is, I am sure you will appreciate, the reason why any such contact and all its revisions, would go through extensive due diligence legal review. > > And, especially when a country's privacy, data protection, fair trade etc regulator has received complaints about the website, their lawyers would carry out an equally thorough review with a view to possible enforcement action against the website > > So.. This might be more difficult than simply blogging about how disrespectful of user privacy a website is, but try to find where they violate local laws in their collection and use of your personal data, and complain to the appropriate regulator > > --srs (htc one x) > > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "michael gurstein" > To: , "'Pranesh Prakash'" > Subject: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! > Date: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:49 PM > > > Pranesh, I think the (high) relevance of the Nader article is in response to the position articulated by (I believe it was) David Conrad and Suresh, with respect to (particularly Facebook) that "ya' pays yer money and ya' takes yer chances" errr... you sign up to the service which includes "assenting" to some indecipherable contract waiver and then (according to them) you are subject to whatever whims or fancies their over-clever and over-priced lawyers and evil twin marketers come up with in their capricious privacy (or whatever) statement of the day... forevermore... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Pranesh Prakash > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 2:01 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Riaz K Tayob > Subject: Re: [governance] Yes! Hands off the Internet! > > Riaz K Tayob [2012-12-29 18:37]: > > See Nader on this issue... here > > . > > While Nader is quite relevant to the current discussion, I fail to see how this article of his pertains to this thread. > > > Will try to dig out something on why oligopoly is a better approach to > > understand these kinds of markets than the simple competition vs > > monopoly argument... > > Even assuming oligopoly is the better approach, what is the precise statement of the problem and what is the solution that the "oligopoly approach" provides? > > -- > Pranesh Prakash > Policy Director > Centre for Internet and Society > T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 02:38:39 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 23:38:39 -0800 Subject: [governance] The Globe and Mail: Terms-of-service agreements are rarely read, let alone understood Message-ID: <039301cde8bc$2f306990$8d913cb0$@gmail.com> (In case anybody needs to be reminded of the reality surrounding these agreements... M Terms-of-service agreements are rarely read, let alone understood OMAR EL AKKAD - TECHNOLOGY REPORTER The Globe and Mail Published Tuesday, Jan. 01 2013, 6:43 PM EST When the creators of 500px, a popular Toronto-based photo-sharing service, came to draw up the terms-of-service agreement for the site, they wanted a document that was written in plain English, not the typical indecipherable legal jargon. But there's a reason why 500px, like countless other technology companies, can't simply write the rules of its service in words anyone can understand - even though that's something more and more consumers are angrily demanding. "We asked our lawyers, can you make the terms of service so they are human?" Evgeny Tchebotarev, one of the founders of 500px, says. "The thing is, they cannot. If you make it in plain language, it'll cost a lot more, and can be disputed in court." Instead, 500px settled for a compromise. The company's terms of use agreement is written in legalese, but each section is accompanied with a couple of sentences explaining what that legalese means, in simple terms. It is perhaps an indictment of the current state of end-user licence agreements - the documents every user must "agree" to before using a digital product or service - that even this relatively minor addition quickly made the 500px service agreement one of the most highly praised in the technology industry. Most service agreements are simply not readable - and, perhaps as a result, are rarely read. Last month, Facebook-owned photo-sharing site Instagram faced a massive public push-back when it changed its terms of service agreement. Many of the site's users took the new changes to mean that Instagram could now do anything it wanted with user photos, including selling them to third parties without compensating the original photographer. The company was so surprised by the outcry that it eventually ditched the new terms. But beyond the public outrage, the Instagram situation illustrates wider problems with the terms-of-service process. First, there was confusion about what the new terms actually meant. Second, most users didn't become aware of the changes because they had read the new agreement but because they heard about it from others. "We should ask ourselves if people don't care about their rights; or if the problem is more that people cannot read the terms before 'agreeing' to them," says Hugo Roy, head of a project called "Terms of Service; Didn't Read," which grades the service agreements on various websites and products. "In my opinion, people care about these issues, whether it's their private data or their creative work. If people don't care, then how can we explain that each time Facebook changes their terms, we've got public outcries?" Licence agreements are almost as old as commercial software itself, but there are simply far more of them around today than there were a decade or two ago. A computer user in the 1990s may have had to sign off on a few pieces of software installed on a computer, whereas today's user can have dozens of different online accounts for everything from social networks to e-mail to cloud computing, and each one comes with its own licence agreement to be read (optional) and signed (required). A paper last year by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University estimated that it would take about 76 work days to read all the licence agreements an average user comes across in a year. Such estimates don't seem very far-fetched, considering the Apple iTunes agreement alone is about 50 pages long. The iTunes software and related apps and media store agreement has become a prime example of the modern service agreement. The frequently updated document weighs in at almost 15,000 words. "With something like iTunes, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who actually reads it," says technology lawyer Arshia Tabrizi, who has worked on many terms of service agreements. "I don't even read it." Apple's own licence agreement has been crafted in impenetrable legalese by a phalanx of contract lawyers, but many other software and web companies take an opposite, yet still troubling approach. A quick Google search of a random string of text from LinkedIn's end-user agreement shows that dozens of other websites - from a Dubai job-finding website to a forum for malaria researchers - have simply copied much of the social network's agreement verbatim, replacing the word "LinkedIn" with the name of their own firm. Indeed, a Virginia-based law office makes the process of designing an end-user agreement fairly straightforward - simply enter the name of your company and some other details into a form on the office's website, and an algorithm instantly outputs a generic end-user agreement for you, free of charge. "It is the most boilerplate of documents," Mr. Tabrizi says of end-user agreements. "Generally, the important thing is understanding users' expectations of the service. If I write something on Facebook, I would understand that others may have access to it. But is Facebook going to take my postings, compile and sell them as an e-book? That would definitely not be in line with my expectations of the service." Most web-based services - especially ones that offer a cost-free product, such as Instagram or Facebook - tend to focus on two areas when crafting an end-user agreement. The first is liability, so as to limit the company's exposure if data is accidentally deleted, for example. The other is content - specifically, limiting what kind of content a user may post on the service. In many cases, both areas can quickly become intertwined. Public backlash like directed at Instagram shows that while many users don't fully read the terms they agree to, a growing number are starting to take a closer look at terms-of-service documents. In turn, the companies drawing up the agreements are starting to notice. Indeed, the plain English terms of service model employed by 500px quickly became so popular, the company began allowing anyone to use the model for their own websites and services. "One day, the terms-of-service page received more views than any other page on the site," says Mr. Tchebotarev. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 07:29:41 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 14:29:41 +0200 Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments Message-ID: <50E42835.3030905@gmail.com> 2 January 2013 Last updated at 10:10 GMT DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments DVLA headquarters in Swansea About 5,000 people work at the DVLA's head office in Swansea Seven office workers at the DVLA in Swansea have been suspended for putting "inappropriate" comments jokes on Facebook. The staff are facing disciplinary action after being caught writing personal comments on the social networking site. The driver and vehicle licensing agency employs 5,000 in Swansea. A DVLA spokesman said: "The staff remain suspended while investigations are ongoing." The staff at the DVLA hold the records for Britain's 32 million vehicles. Continue reading the main story "Start Quote Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action." Spokesman DVLA Workers are banned from accessing social networking websites on the computers they use during their shifts. But the staff are thought to have posted the remarks outside work and were later reported to management. Comments including lewd jokes are also being investigated A DVLA spokesman said: "Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action. "All staff are aware of the guidance in place and are reminded on a regular basis." The DVLA is currently in the process of closing all 39 of its regional offices to try to to cut costs and drive more customers to use its online services. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Acronymitis seems endemic on this list.) Bests, Rony Koven -----Original Message----- From: Riaz K Tayob To: governance Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:38 pm Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments 2 January 2013 Last updated at 10:10 GMT DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments About 5,000 people work at the DVLA's head office in Swansea Seven office workers at the DVLA in Swansea have been suspended for putting "inappropriate" comments jokes on Facebook. The staff are facing disciplinary action after being caught writing personal comments on the social networking site. The driver and vehicle licensing agency employs 5,000 in Swansea. A DVLA spokesman said: "The staff remain suspended while investigations are ongoing." The staff at the DVLA hold the records for Britain's 32 million vehicles. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action.” Spokesman DVLA Workers are banned from accessing social networking websites on the computers they use during their shifts. But the staff are thought to have posted the remarks outside work and were later reported to management. Comments including lewd jokes are also being investigated A DVLA spokesman said: "Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action. "All staff are aware of the guidance in place and are reminded on a regular basis." The DVLA is currently in the process of closing all 39 of its regional offices to try to to cut costs and drive more customers to use its online services. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: _57287781_dvla464.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10823 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Wed Jan 2 07:59:03 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:29:03 +0530 Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments In-Reply-To: <8CFB6FE2BB612FD-A74-771C9@webmail-d194.sysops.aol.com> References: <50E42835.3030905@gmail.com> <8CFB6FE2BB612FD-A74-771C9@webmail-d194.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8E629E9F-9012-44C9-ABC9-E421B6BFD1B0@hserus.net> As it says later down the list, "Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency" The UK agency that gives you car license plates and driving licenses. --srs (iPad) On 02-Jan-2013, at 18:15, Koven Ronald wrote: > What, pray, is DVLA ? > > (Acronymitis seems endemic on this list.) > > Bests, Rony Koven > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Riaz K Tayob > To: governance > Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:38 pm > Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments > > 2 January 2013 Last updated at 10:10 GMT > > DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments > > <_57287781_dvla464.jpg> About 5,000 people work at the DVLA's head office in Swansea > > Seven office workers at the DVLA in Swansea have been suspended for putting "inappropriate" comments jokes on Facebook. > The staff are facing disciplinary action after being caught writing personal comments on the social networking site. > The driver and vehicle licensing agency employs 5,000 in Swansea. > A DVLA spokesman said: "The staff remain suspended while investigations are ongoing." > The staff at the DVLA hold the records for Britain's 32 million vehicles. > Continue reading the main story > “Start Quote > > Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action.” > Spokesman DVLA > Workers are banned from accessing social networking websites on the computers they use during their shifts. > But the staff are thought to have posted the remarks outside work and were later reported to management. > Comments including lewd jokes are also being investigated > A DVLA spokesman said: "Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action. > "All staff are aware of the guidance in place and are reminded on a regular basis." > The DVLA is currently in the process of closing all 39 of its regional offices to try to to cut costs and drive more customers to use its online services. > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nhklein at gmx.net Wed Jan 2 08:23:06 2013 From: nhklein at gmx.net (Norbert Klein) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:23:06 +0700 Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments In-Reply-To: <8CFB6FE2BB612FD-A74-771C9@webmail-d194.sysops.aol.com> References: <50E42835.3030905@gmail.com> <8CFB6FE2BB612FD-A74-771C9@webmail-d194.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50E434BA.2060507@gmx.net> Thanks, Rony, for working towards preventing this list from being only for a small in-group (of English speakers). 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Wed Jan 2 15:28:08 2013 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:28:08 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments References: <50E42835.3030905@gmail.com> <8CFB6FE2BB612FD-A74-771C9@webmail-d194.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8013313CC@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Rony What, pray, is DVLA ? Wolfgang http://www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/ Happy new year (Acronymitis seems endemic on this list.) Bests, Rony Koven -----Original Message----- From: Riaz K Tayob To: governance Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:38 pm Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments 2 January 2013 Last updated at 10:10 GMT DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments DVLA headquarters in Swansea About 5,000 people work at the DVLA's head office in Swansea Seven office workers at the DVLA in Swansea have been suspended for putting "inappropriate" comments jokes on Facebook. The staff are facing disciplinary action after being caught writing personal comments on the social networking site. The driver and vehicle licensing agency employs 5,000 in Swansea. A DVLA spokesman said: "The staff remain suspended while investigations are ongoing." The staff at the DVLA hold the records for Britain's 32 million vehicles. Continue reading the main story "Start Quote Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action." Spokesman DVLA Workers are banned from accessing social networking websites on the computers they use during their shifts. But the staff are thought to have posted the remarks outside work and were later reported to management. Comments including lewd jokes are also being investigated A DVLA spokesman said: "Although instances are extremely rare, any inappropriate postings by staff made outside of work will be investigated and could result in disciplinary action. "All staff are aware of the guidance in place and are reminded on a regular basis." The DVLA is currently in the process of closing all 39 of its regional offices to try to to cut costs and drive more customers to use its online services. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: _57287781_dvla464.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10823 bytes Desc: _57287781_dvla464.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Wed Jan 2 17:18:43 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:18:43 -0500 Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments In-Reply-To: <50E434BA.2060507@gmx.net> References: <50E42835.3030905@gmail.com> <8CFB6FE2BB612FD-A74-771C9@webmail-d194.sysops.aol.com> <50E434BA.2060507@gmx.net> Message-ID: I would assume anyone can do a search on acronyms. Even more helpful when the text contains it already. Hi, Thank your lucky stars people aren't using document numbers as the reference. When someone sends a acronym i don't know, i use the net to open it up - and often even learn something. Of course when the text already contains it, so much the better. When someone sends something to the list in a language i don't understand i use: > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t Which is tacked on to every list message. just saying avri 1/3 On 2 Jan 2013, at 08:23, Norbert Klein wrote: > Thanks, Rony, > > for working towards preventing this list from being only for a small in-group (of English speakers). > > Norbert Klein > Cambodia > > > On 1/2/2013 7:45 PM, Koven Ronald wrote: >> What, pray, is DVLA ? >> >> (Acronymitis seems endemic on this list.) >> >> Bests, Rony Koven -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nhklein at gmx.net Wed Jan 2 20:28:03 2013 From: nhklein at gmx.net (Norbert Klein) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:28:03 +0700 Subject: [governance] UK - DVLA: Seven staff suspended for posting "inappropriate" Facebook comments In-Reply-To: References: <50E42835.3030905@gmail.com> <8CFB6FE2BB612FD-A74-771C9@webmail-d194.sysops.aol.com> <50E434BA.2060507@gmx.net> Message-ID: <50E4DEA3.5010107@gmx.net> Happy New Year, Avri, and everybody else. I assure you that I have no problem Googling acronyms a lot, and I use the translation facility sometimes (though not often on this list - and the translation facility often fails on acronyms). BUT: I am also trying to extend the number of the few people involved in the discussion of Internet Governance by trying to share issues with some others - by having them read and consider what kinds of issues we are facing and dealing with. It is not much a problem for myself - but I am not sure if I am the only one who often faces negative reactions "Too difficult to catch..." and the acronym factor is often mentioned. I did not dare to tell them: "Come on, use the opportunity to educate yourself by research the acronyms!" Norbert Klein Cambodia = On 1/3/2013 5:18 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > I would assume anyone can do a search on acronyms. > Even more helpful when the text contains it already. > > Hi, > > Thank your lucky stars people aren't using document numbers as the reference. > > When someone sends a acronym i don't know, i use the net to open it up - and often even learn something. Of course when the text already contains it, so much the better. > > When someone sends something to the list in a language i don't understand i use: > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > Which is tacked on to every list message. > > just saying > > avri > 1/3 > > On 2 Jan 2013, at 08:23, Norbert Klein wrote: > >> Thanks, Rony, >> >> for working towards preventing this list from being only for a small in-group (of English speakers). >> >> Norbert Klein >> Cambodia >> >> >> On 1/2/2013 7:45 PM, Koven Ronald wrote: >>> What, pray, is DVLA ? >>> >>> (Acronymitis seems endemic on this list.) >>> >>> Bests, Rony Koven > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 04:52:31 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:52:31 +1300 Subject: [governance] New Year's Greetings! Message-ID: Dear All, 2012 was certainly an eventful year filled with much controversy and without a doubt Internet Governance has evolved and transcended into fierce global debates in various global foras. It has certainly been an interesting year. 2013 will no doubt also have surprises in store for the world if the events in 2012 are anything to go by. All in all, I would like to take this time to wish you all a wonderful and prosperous new year! May 2013 be a productive and memorable year and may civil society continue to advocate and in the midst of such a diversity continue to find a common trajectory -an open and free internet and "access for all"!!! Have a wonderful new year! -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. 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Le 3 janv. 2013 10:53, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit : > Dear All, > > 2012 was certainly an eventful year filled with much controversy and > without a doubt Internet Governance has evolved and transcended into fierce > global debates in various global foras. It has certainly been an > interesting year. > > 2013 will no doubt also have surprises in store for the world if the > events in 2012 are anything to go by. All in all, I would like to take this > time to wish you all a wonderful and prosperous new year! May 2013 be a > productive and memorable year and may civil society continue to advocate > and in the midst of such a diversity continue to find a common trajectory > -an open and free internet and "access for all"!!! > > Have a wonderful new year! > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Thu Jan 3 10:59:38 2013 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:59:38 +0000 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU In-Reply-To: References: <50E59141.4070800@netmagic.com>, Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A16DF@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Well remember what I said about ITU carrying on...I still think it will, but echos from Dubai may shake its budgetary formula. And according to Tony's spin, Hurricane Sandy. The attachment is interesting reading. Lee ________________________________ From: DAVID J. FARBER [farber at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:29 AM To: ip Subject: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU Begin forwarded message: From: Tony Rutkowski > Subject: a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU Date: January 3, 2013 9:10:09 AM EST To: Dave Farber > Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com Happy New Year, Dave. More than a few people on the IP list may have an interest in this post to the State Dept's advisory committee list. Even if a reader doesn't resonate with my advocacy, the facts here are very interesting and difficult to find. cheers, tony -------- Original Message -------- Subject: a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:55:04 -0500 From: Tony Rutkowski Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com Organization: NetMagic Associates To: WCIT at LMLIST.STATE.GOV What is not well known is that the ITU depends on voluntary contributions. Each member elects to give the ITU some number (or fraction of a number) of "contributory units" each year. A CU is currently equal to about $300k/yr. Thus the U.S. actually volunteers to give the ITU 30 units or about $9 million per year. It is the only country other than Japan to do so. The difficult to find official ITU contributions ledger is attached. So all those G89 countries at the WCIT that thumbed their noses at the U.S. and are trying to use the ITU to regulate the Internet and constrain information flow - they contribute almost nothing. Incredulously, they get the U.S. to help fund them to do that. Most of them even get free stipends from the ITU to go on Geneva vacations to rail against U.S. interests. That's going to increase as the WTSA-12 voted so many of them into the ITU-T leadership. What is remarkable about the ledger is that you can readily see how over the past six years, many other major countries and much of industry have shut their wallets, and in a great many cases simply walked out of the ITU-T. Yet the U.S. itself has kept paying the largest contribution amount! Indeed, as the others cut back their contributions, the U.S. pays even more to prop up the ITU bloated budget and the fine lifestyle of the ITU staff. With the 2013 Congress convening today, there is the perfect opportunity to begin defunding the ITU and send a message to those 89 countries and the duplicitous ITU officials who helped them. If the U.S. halves its contribution to fifteen units like many European countries have done, that's $45 million over ten years. Rather than flushing U.S. money down the ITU rathole to fund the G89 over the coming years to implement their extreme anti-Internet agenda, give it instead to the communities who were victims of Hurricane Sandy to re-build their broadband infrastructure. Considering the WCIT Internet resolution was unanimously adopted by Congress, that should be a no-brainer. Those companies who still remain as ITU-T members can act here as well. Renounce your membership and join all the others who have already left. -t Archives [https://www.listbox.com/images/feed-icon-10x10.jpg] | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now [https://www.listbox.com/images/listbox-logo-small.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is close to the advice I would give them. Though It might look more like: "Come on, participate, even though you will occasionally have to research an acronym or something else you never heard of before." To be dependent on others for acronym help is to be helpless in this environment. It is a mental barrier people need to get over. And the helpless messages about "whatever someone could mean by XYZ", really don't help as they enable acronym dependency, a sever Ig debilitative syndrome. Additionally the messages would produce answers that are too late for the reader, no matter how quickly the response is sent in. Sure, I prefer the writing of people who do spell a name on first use. But even when I have done so, I have had people yell at me for not explaining it again on a later page. And at what point do you start to beleive the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Aumbers is more confusing than ICANN? Finally sometimes an acronym is really just the name of something and even people who live within that organization don't know or care about the spelling out. Sometime it really does not matter what it means and that bit of knowledge-thirst can be left in abeyance. I ask myself 'do I really need to know what every acronym means'? avri 1/3 support wikipedia, someone has to provide the first clue to all answers. On 2 Jan 2013, at 20:28, Norbert Klein wrote: > Happy New Year, Avri, and everybody else. > > I assure you that I have no problem Googling acronyms a lot, and I use the translation facility sometimes (though not often on this list - and the translation facility often fails on acronyms). > > BUT: > > I am also trying to extend the number of the few people involved in the discussion of Internet Governance by trying to share issues with some others - by having them read and consider what kinds of issues we are facing and dealing with. > > It is not much a problem for myself - but I am not sure if I am the only one who often faces negative reactions "Too difficult to catch..." and the acronym factor is often mentioned. > > I did not dare to tell them: "Come on, use the opportunity to educate yourself by research the acronyms!" > > > Norbert Klein > Cambodia > > = > > On 1/3/2013 5:18 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> I would assume anyone can do a search on acronyms. >> Even more helpful when the text contains it already. >> >> Hi, >> >> Thank your lucky stars people aren't using document numbers as the reference. >> >> When someone sends a acronym i don't know, i use the net to open it up - and often even learn something. Of course when the text already contains it, so much the better. >> >> When someone sends something to the list in a language i don't understand i use: >> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> Which is tacked on to every list message. >> >> just saying >> >> avri >> 1/3 >> >> On 2 Jan 2013, at 08:23, Norbert Klein wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Rony, >>> >>> for working towards preventing this list from being only for a small in-group (of English speakers). >>> >>> Norbert Klein >>> Cambodia >>> >>> >>> On 1/2/2013 7:45 PM, Koven Ronald wrote: >>>> What, pray, is DVLA ? >>>> >>>> (Acronymitis seems endemic on this list.) >>>> >>>> Bests, Rony Koven >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Thu Jan 3 15:37:02 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:37:02 -0500 Subject: [governance] [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU In-Reply-To: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A16DF@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <50E59141.4070800@netmagic.com>, <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A16DF@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Yes, very interesting, As was a later message that said something to the effect of: Give the money to the IGF instead! avri On 3 Jan 2013, at 10:59, Lee W McKnight wrote: > Well remember what I said about ITU carrying on...I still think it will, but echos from Dubai may shake its budgetary formula. > > And according to Tony's spin, Hurricane Sandy. > > The attachment is interesting reading. > > Lee > > > From: DAVID J. FARBER [farber at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:29 AM > To: ip > Subject: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Tony Rutkowski > Subject: a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU > Date: January 3, 2013 9:10:09 AM EST > To: Dave Farber > Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com > > Happy New Year, Dave. > > More than a few people on the IP list > may have an interest in this post to the > State Dept's advisory committee list. > Even if a reader doesn't resonate with > my advocacy, the facts here are very > interesting and difficult to find. > > cheers, > tony > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU > Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:55:04 -0500 > From: Tony Rutkowski > Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com > Organization: NetMagic Associates > To: WCIT at LMLIST.STATE.GOV > > > What is not well known is that the ITU > depends on voluntary contributions. Each > member elects to give the ITU some number (or > fraction of a number) of "contributory units" > each year. A CU is currently equal to about > $300k/yr. Thus the U.S. actually volunteers > to give the ITU 30 units or about $9 million > per year. It is the only country other than > Japan to do so. The difficult to find > official ITU contributions ledger is attached. > > So all those G89 countries at the WCIT that > thumbed their noses at the U.S. and are > trying to use the ITU to regulate the > Internet and constrain information flow - > they contribute almost nothing. > Incredulously, they get the U.S. to help fund > them to do that. Most of them even get free > stipends from the ITU to go on Geneva > vacations to rail against U.S. interests. > That's going to increase as the WTSA-12 > voted so many of them into the ITU-T leadership. > > What is remarkable about the ledger is that > you can readily see how over the past six years, > many other major countries and much of > industry have shut their wallets, and in a > great many cases simply walked out of the ITU-T. > Yet the U.S. itself has kept paying the largest > contribution amount! Indeed, as the others cut > back their contributions, the U.S. pays even > more to prop up the ITU bloated budget and the > fine lifestyle of the ITU staff. > > With the 2013 Congress convening today, there > is the perfect opportunity to begin defunding > the ITU and send a message to those 89 > countries and the duplicitous ITU officials who > helped them. If the U.S. halves its contribution > to fifteen units like many European countries > have done, that's $45 million over ten years. > > Rather than flushing U.S. money down the ITU > rathole to fund the G89 over the coming years > to implement their extreme anti-Internet > agenda, give it instead to the communities > who were victims of Hurricane Sandy to > re-build their broadband infrastructure. > Considering the WCIT Internet resolution was > unanimously adopted by Congress, that should > be a no-brainer. > > Those companies who still remain as ITU-T > members can act here as well. Renounce your > membership and join all the others who have > already left. > > -t > > > > > Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 15:54:11 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:54:11 -0800 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU In-Reply-To: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A16DF@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <50E59141.4070800@netmagic.com>, <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A16DF@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <0a3301cde9f4$89f3f110$9ddbd330$@gmail.com> The problem with these kinds of statements/positions (and it should be noted that various folks in the US and some of their close allies have been making these kinds of statements concerning the UN, UNESCO, and any of the other agencies that aren't seen as immediately responding to and protecting US interests narrowly conceived) is that even if the ITU were to be totally defunded and disappear something somewhere would need to be created to take on most of its international coordinating functions. The end result of this kind of position would in fact be to further project the US's quite evident anti-government political/governance disfunctionality into the global sphere. That being said, the creaky goverance/administrative systems of the UN and various of its agencies need to be radically renewed to reflect the new geo-political, technological and politico-cultural realities of the 21st century rather than the post-colonial/post-WWII realities of the 1950's. M From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Lee W McKnight Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:00 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU Well remember what I said about ITU carrying on...I still think it will, but echos from Dubai may shake its budgetary formula. And according to Tony's spin, Hurricane Sandy. The attachment is interesting reading. Lee _____ From: DAVID J. FARBER [farber at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:29 AM To: ip Subject: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU Begin forwarded message: From: Tony Rutkowski Subject: a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU Date: January 3, 2013 9:10:09 AM EST To: Dave Farber Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com Happy New Year, Dave. More than a few people on the IP list may have an interest in this post to the State Dept's advisory committee list. Even if a reader doesn't resonate with my advocacy, the facts here are very interesting and difficult to find. cheers, tony -------- Original Message -------- Subject: a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:55:04 -0500 From: Tony Rutkowski Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com Organization: NetMagic Associates To: WCIT at LMLIST.STATE.GOV What is not well known is that the ITU depends on voluntary contributions. Each member elects to give the ITU some number (or fraction of a number) of "contributory units" each year. A CU is currently equal to about $300k/yr. Thus the U.S. actually volunteers to give the ITU 30 units or about $9 million per year. It is the only country other than Japan to do so. The difficult to find official ITU contributions ledger is attached. So all those G89 countries at the WCIT that thumbed their noses at the U.S. and are trying to use the ITU to regulate the Internet and constrain information flow - they contribute almost nothing. Incredulously, they get the U.S. to help fund them to do that. Most of them even get free stipends from the ITU to go on Geneva vacations to rail against U.S. interests. That's going to increase as the WTSA-12 voted so many of them into the ITU-T leadership. What is remarkable about the ledger is that you can readily see how over the past six years, many other major countries and much of industry have shut their wallets, and in a great many cases simply walked out of the ITU-T. Yet the U.S. itself has kept paying the largest contribution amount! Indeed, as the others cut back their contributions, the U.S. pays even more to prop up the ITU bloated budget and the fine lifestyle of the ITU staff. With the 2013 Congress convening today, there is the perfect opportunity to begin defunding the ITU and send a message to those 89 countries and the duplicitous ITU officials who helped them. If the U.S. halves its contribution to fifteen units like many European countries have done, that's $45 million over ten years. Rather than flushing U.S. money down the ITU rathole to fund the G89 over the coming years to implement their extreme anti-Internet agenda, give it instead to the communities who were victims of Hurricane Sandy to re-build their broadband infrastructure. Considering the WCIT Internet resolution was unanimously adopted by Congress, that should be a no-brainer. Those companies who still remain as ITU-T members can act here as well. Renounce your membership and join all the others who have already left. -t Archives https://www.listbox.com/images/feed-icon-10x10.jpg| Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now https://www.listbox.com/images/listbox-logo-small.png -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image005.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 815 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Defund and further it causes a massive new slippery slope that will as Michael says target good agencies as well --srs (iPad) On 04-Jan-2013, at 2:24, "michael gurstein" wrote: > The problem with these kinds of statements/positions (and it should be noted that various folks in the US and some of their close allies have been making these kinds of statements concerning the UN, UNESCO, and any of the other agencies that aren't seen as immediately responding to and protecting US interests narrowly conceived) is that even if the ITU were to be totally defunded and disappear something somewhere would need to be created to take on most of its international coordinating functions. The end result of this kind of position would in fact be to further project the US's quite evident anti-government political/governance disfunctionality into the global sphere. > > That being said, the creaky goverance/administrative systems of the UN and various of its agencies need to be radically renewed to reflect the new geo-political, technological and politico-cultural realities of the 21st century rather than the post-colonial/post-WWII realities of the 1950's. > > M > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Lee W McKnight > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:00 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU > > Well remember what I said about ITU carrying on...I still think it will, but echos from Dubai may shake its budgetary formula. > > And according to Tony's spin, Hurricane Sandy. > > The attachment is interesting reading. > > Lee > > From: DAVID J. FARBER [farber at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:29 AM > To: ip > Subject: [IP] a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Tony Rutkowski > Subject: a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU > Date: January 3, 2013 9:10:09 AM EST > To: Dave Farber > Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com > > Happy New Year, Dave. > > More than a few people on the IP list > may have an interest in this post to the > State Dept's advisory committee list. > Even if a reader doesn't resonate with > my advocacy, the facts here are very > interesting and difficult to find. > > cheers, > tony > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: > a 2013 resolution: defund the ITU > Date: > Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:55:04 -0500 > From: > Tony Rutkowski > Reply-To: > trutkowski at netmagic.com > Organization: > NetMagic Associates > To: > WCIT at LMLIST.STATE.GOV > > > What is not well known is that the ITU > depends on voluntary contributions. Each > member elects to give the ITU some number (or > fraction of a number) of "contributory units" > each year. A CU is currently equal to about > $300k/yr. Thus the U.S. actually volunteers > to give the ITU 30 units or about $9 million > per year. It is the only country other than > Japan to do so. The difficult to find > official ITU contributions ledger is attached. > > So all those G89 countries at the WCIT that > thumbed their noses at the U.S. and are > trying to use the ITU to regulate the > Internet and constrain information flow - > they contribute almost nothing. > Incredulously, they get the U.S. to help fund > them to do that. Most of them even get free > stipends from the ITU to go on Geneva > vacations to rail against U.S. interests. > That's going to increase as the WTSA-12 > voted so many of them into the ITU-T leadership. > > What is remarkable about the ledger is that > you can readily see how over the past six years, > many other major countries and much of > industry have shut their wallets, and in a > great many cases simply walked out of the ITU-T. > Yet the U.S. itself has kept paying the largest > contribution amount! Indeed, as the others cut > back their contributions, the U.S. pays even > more to prop up the ITU bloated budget and the > fine lifestyle of the ITU staff. > > With the 2013 Congress convening today, there > is the perfect opportunity to begin defunding > the ITU and send a message to those 89 > countries and the duplicitous ITU officials who > helped them. If the U.S. halves its contribution > to fifteen units like many European countries > have done, that's $45 million over ten years. > > Rather than flushing U.S. money down the ITU > rathole to fund the G89 over the coming years > to implement their extreme anti-Internet > agenda, give it instead to the communities > who were victims of Hurricane Sandy to > re-build their broadband infrastructure. > Considering the WCIT Internet resolution was > unanimously adopted by Congress, that should > be a no-brainer. > > Those companies who still remain as ITU-T > members can act here as well. Renounce your > membership and join all the others who have > already left. > > -t > > > > Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 13:12:01 +1300 Subject: [governance] Google Survives US FTC Probe #FTC #EC #Google #competition Message-ID: Dear All, "The US Federal Trade Commission has announced it has closed its investigation into Google after an exhaustive 19-month review that covered millions of pages of documents and involved many hours of testimony. See:http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/01/google.shtm To see report by BBC, visit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20899032 Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > "The US Federal Trade Commission has announced it has closed its > investigation into Google after an exhaustive 19-month review that covered > millions of pages of documents and involved many hours of testimony. > > See:http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/01/google.shtm > > To see report by BBC, visit: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20899032 > > Kind Regards, > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are:- - Norbert Bollow; - Imran Ahmed Shah We will be in touch with you shortly in relation to the election. For more information about the candidates, please see the attachments. Thank you. Kind Regards, Sala On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > This is to advise that we have yet to receive Nominations for those > interested in standing for the Elections. As such, there is a change in > dates, and they are as follows, see Notice below. > > I may be offline for a few days depending as we have a Category 4 Cyclone > coming into Fiji which has already devastated Samoa. > > In the meantime, we encourage both men and women to apply from all parts > of the earth. For more information, see below: > > >> This is to advise that we would like to invite people to submit >> Nominations for Candidates to stand in the elections for the purposes of >> occupying the Co-Coordinator position which Izumi Aizu used to occupy. >> >> >> *Nominations* >> Those who are interested in standing for elections or in nominating >> persons to stand for the elections should submit their Nominations by *4th >> January, 2013 at 10pm UTC +12*. We would like to encourage people to >> either nominate themselves or nominate others whom you think would make >> great coordinators. Responsibilities of coordinators can be viewed in the >> IGC Charter. >> >> All Nominations are asked to submit their Nominations in the following >> format: >> >> >> >> *Nomination By:* >> >> [Self Nomination or > >> >> *Candidate:* >> >> [Full Name of Candidate] >> >> >> *Brief Bio:* >> >> [100 words and feel free to insert link to website] >> >> >> >> >> The full list of Nominees will be published on the IGC list on the 16th >> December, 2012 at 10pm UTC at 10pm UTC +12 and elections. >> >> >> *Online voting* >> * >> * >> We will begin on the *8th January, 2013.* >> >> I would like to encourage as many Nominations to be sent in to >> coordinators at igcaucus.org and by responding to this email thread. >> >> >> *Excerpts from the Charter* >> >> *Charter:* (http://igcaucus.org/charter) >> >> *Selection of Coordinators* >> >> The selection will be done by on-line voting using the voting process >> according to the following formula: >> * election of the coordinator will be held, whenever possible by >> midsummer (the summer solstice). If events prevent an election by >> midsummer, it will be held as soon after midsummer as possible. >> * the coordinator(s) who are not up for election or not standing for >> election will be responsible for running the election, subject to appeal by >> the appeal team. >> (Note: as a boot strap procedure for 2006, the interim coordinator will >> serve until the end of the first election period, during which two >> coordinators will be selected - one for one (1) year and one for two (2) >> years). >> >> *Recall of coordinators* >> >> In response to an appeal, as described in the appeals section, the >> appeals team can decide to hold a recall vote for a coordinator. In order >> to cause the recall vote, there needs to be full consensus among the appeal >> team members. >> The recall vote itself requires a 2/3 majority of voters to succeed. >> >> *Replacement of a coordinator.* >> >> If a coordinator leaves the role due to personal reasons or recall, the >> role will be refilled as quickly as possible. The role will be refilled for >> the balance of the term unless the refill occurs during the year in which >> the role was to be vacated. In this case the coordinator position will be >> for the balance of the replacement terms plus a two (2) year regular term. >> For example, if the 'even year' coordinator for 2006, leaves the role >> during an odd year, 2007, the rest of the term will be filled with a >> replacement, and a new selection will be made on schedule in 2008. 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A list of the >> self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with >> the results of the election. >> >> Elections will be run by the coordinators and will be subject to the >> appeals process. >> >> All voting will be open, though at the discretion of the coordinators, >> with or without a specific request from member(s), any vote can be >> made into a secret vote. The reasons for making it a secret vote will >> be stated, and are subject to appeal. >> >> >> *Membership (http://igcaucus.org/membership)* >> * >> *Members of the Internet Governance Caucus are individuals, acting in >> personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the caucus. All >> members are equal and have the same rights and duties. >> >> If you wish to participate in our activities, or just observe our >> activities, you are welcome to join our mailing list. The mailing list >> is our priority working space. You can subscribe by registering on >> this Web site. 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A list of the self-defined >> member-voters will be published after any election with the results of >> the election >> >> Warm Regards, >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> * IGC Co-Coordinator* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope you had a restful holiday season. It was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to continuing to do so in 2013. Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu Hongbo concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website and I would be grateful if you could distribute it among your respective stakeholder groups. Best regards Chengetai _________________________________ The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual IGF meetings. We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present members of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. Governments, the private sector, civil society, and technical communities should submit names of candidates from developed and developing countries as well as from economies in transition. Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a period of one year and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder consultation process, bringing the perspectives of their respective groups on Internet governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in previous years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current MAG members for re-election and are expected to publicize the selection and nomination process. Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org , using the attached submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of MAG members. Selection and Operation Principles: (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all stakeholder groups, while retaining regional and gender representation, according to established procedures; (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They should participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year, through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members; (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet Governance Forum. (Signed) Wu Hongbo Under-Secretary-General Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MAG 2013 template .rtf Type: application/rtf Size: 8140 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope you had a restful holiday season. It >was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to >continuing to do so in 2013. > >Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu Hongbo >concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website and I would >be grateful if you could distribute it among your respective stakeholder >groups. > >Best regards > >Chengetai > >_________________________________ > > >The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) >has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual IGF meetings. > >We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present members >of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in >ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. > >On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of >Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all >stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and >practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. >Governments, the private sector, civil society, and technical >communities should submit names of candidates from developed and >developing countries as well as from economies in transition. Successful >nominees will become part of MAG for a period of one year and will >contribute to the multi-stakeholder consultation process, bringing the >perspectives of their respective groups on Internet governance. Group >nominees should be members who have actively participated in IGF >meetings and activities in the past. As in previous years, stakeholder >groups can resubmit the names of current MAG members for re-election and >are expected to publicize the selection and nomination process. > >Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 >January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org >, using the attached submission >template. The aim is to rotate one third of MAG members. > >Selection and Operation Principles: > >(i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all stakeholder >groups, while retaining regional and gender representation, according to >established procedures; > >(ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are expected >to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; > >(iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and >main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; > >(iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in >Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They should >participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year, >through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members; > >(v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. > >Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet >Governance Forum. > > >(Signed) >Wu Hongbo >Under-Secretary-General >Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true. How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and, unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil society. parminder On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > *From:*Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] > *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM > *To:* ip > *Subject:* [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the > Day - NYTimes.com > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp > > note last paragraph > > Archives > | > Modify > > Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sat Jan 5 05:25:02 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:55:02 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hardly a monopoly. Duo, tri or a few more poly. Bing for example does have a decent market share. Any non neutrality in search should be initially at any rate handled as a private litigation. Because starting to regulate google is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to regulating other Internet industry players to the extent that telcos are regulated And a precedent that other countries will seize on, with potentially worse results --srs (iPad) On 05-Jan-2013, at 15:30, parminder wrote: > > A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0 > > The article raises the right question - whether some parts of our digital environment deserve to be treated as public utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very important 'public function(s)' being performed. > > I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true. > > How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and, unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil society. > > parminder > > > On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM >> To: ip >> Subject: [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp >> >> note last paragraph >> Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Sat Jan 5 11:04:45 2013 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:04:45 -0500 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - thanks! - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process that builds on lessons learned. - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the impact of the IGC on the decision making process regards Robert On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: > > IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 > From: Chengetai Masango > To: igf Forum > > Dear All, > > Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. It was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to continuing to do so in 2013. > > Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu Hongbo concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website and I would be grateful if you could distribute it among your respective stakeholder groups. > > Best regards > > Chengetai > > _________________________________ > > > The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual IGF meetings. > > We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present members of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. > > On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. Governments, the private sector, civil society, and technical communities should submit names of candidates from developed and developing countries as well as from economies in transition. Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a period of one year and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder consultation process, bringing the perspectives of their respective groups on Internet governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in previous years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current MAG members for re-election and are expected to publicize the selection and nomination process. > > Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by 20 January 2013 via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org, using the attached submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of MAG members. > > Selection and Operation Principles: > > (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all stakeholder groups, while retaining regional and gender representation, according to established procedures; > > (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; > > (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; > > (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They should participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year, through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members; > > (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. > > Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet Governance Forum. > > > (Signed) > Wu Hongbo > Under-Secretary-General > Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sat Jan 5 12:01:14 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 02:01:14 +0900 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: Way I read the letter all MAG members who wish to should re-apply. Good starting point for the caucus would be if we could be reminded who among those we proposed last year were selected as MAG members. Best, Adam On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: > > - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. > gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - > thanks! > - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process that > builds on lessons learned. > - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a > single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the > impact of the IGC on the decision making process > > regards > > Robert > > > On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: > > > IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder > > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal > for 2013 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 From: Chengetai Masango > To: igf Forum > > > Dear All, > > Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. It > was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to continuing > to do so in 2013. > > Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu Hongbo > concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website and I would be > grateful if you could distribute it among your respective stakeholder > groups. > > Best regards > > Chengetai > > _________________________________ > > > The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) > has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual IGF meetings. > > We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present members > of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in > ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. > > On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of > Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all > stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and practices > of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. Governments, the > private sector, civil society, and technical communities should submit > names of candidates from developed and developing countries as well as from > economies in transition. Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a > period of one year and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder > consultation process, bringing the perspectives of their respective groups > on Internet governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively > participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in previous > years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current MAG members for > re-election and are expected to publicize the selection and nomination > process. > > Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 > January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org, > using the attached submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of > MAG members. > > Selection and Operation Principles: > > (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all stakeholder > groups, while retaining regional and gender representation, according to > established procedures; > > (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are expected > to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; > > (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and > main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; > > (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in > Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They should > participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year, > through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members; > > (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. > > Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet > Governance Forum. > > > (Signed) > Wu Hongbo > Under-Secretary-General > Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) > > > > > Part.txt>____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Sat Jan 5 12:04:29 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:04:29 -0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <50E85D1D.4010401@cafonso.ca> And also remind ourselves there are "new kids on the block" so as not to repeat all the same names recurrently... --c.a. On 01/05/2013 03:01 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > Way I read the letter all MAG members who wish to should re-apply. > > Good starting point for the caucus would be if we could be reminded who > among those we proposed last year were selected as MAG members. > > Best, > > Adam > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > >> My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: >> >> - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. >> gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - >> thanks! >> - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process that >> builds on lessons learned. >> - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a >> single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the >> impact of the IGC on the decision making process >> >> regards >> >> Robert >> >> >> On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: >> >> >> IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal >> for 2013 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 From: Chengetai Masango >> To: igf Forum >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. It >> was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to continuing >> to do so in 2013. >> >> Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu Hongbo >> concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website and I would be >> grateful if you could distribute it among your respective stakeholder >> groups. >> >> Best regards >> >> Chengetai >> >> _________________________________ >> >> >> The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) >> has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual IGF meetings. >> >> We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present members >> of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in >> ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. >> >> On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of >> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all >> stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and practices >> of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. Governments, the >> private sector, civil society, and technical communities should submit >> names of candidates from developed and developing countries as well as from >> economies in transition. Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a >> period of one year and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder >> consultation process, bringing the perspectives of their respective groups >> on Internet governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively >> participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in previous >> years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current MAG members for >> re-election and are expected to publicize the selection and nomination >> process. >> >> Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 >> January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org, >> using the attached submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of >> MAG members. >> >> Selection and Operation Principles: >> >> (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all stakeholder >> groups, while retaining regional and gender representation, according to >> established procedures; >> >> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are expected >> to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; >> >> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and >> main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; >> >> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in >> Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They should >> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year, >> through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members; >> >> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. >> >> Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet >> Governance Forum. >> >> >> (Signed) >> Wu Hongbo >> Under-Secretary-General >> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) >> >> >> >> >> > Part.txt>____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sat Jan 5 12:08:17 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 02:08:17 +0900 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: <50E85D1D.4010401@cafonso.ca> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> <50E85D1D.4010401@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: of course. goes without saying. but one step at a time perhaps. On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > And also remind ourselves there are "new kids on the block" so as not to > repeat all the same names recurrently... > > --c.a. > > > On 01/05/2013 03:01 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >> >> Way I read the letter all MAG members who wish to should re-apply. >> >> Good starting point for the caucus would be if we could be reminded who >> among those we proposed last year were selected as MAG members. >> >> Best, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Robert Guerra >> wrote: >> >>> My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: >>> >>> - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. >>> gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - >>> thanks! >>> - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process that >>> builds on lessons learned. >>> - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a >>> single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen >>> the >>> impact of the IGC on the decision making process >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: >>> >>> >>> IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal >>> for 2013 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 From: Chengetai Masango >>> To: igf Forum >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. It >>> was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to >>> continuing >>> to do so in 2013. >>> >>> Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu Hongbo >>> concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website and I would >>> be >>> grateful if you could distribute it among your respective stakeholder >>> groups. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Chengetai >>> >>> _________________________________ >>> >>> >>> The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) >>> has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual IGF >>> meetings. >>> >>> We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present members >>> of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in >>> ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. >>> >>> On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of >>> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all >>> stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and practices >>> of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. Governments, the >>> private sector, civil society, and technical communities should submit >>> names of candidates from developed and developing countries as well as >>> from >>> economies in transition. Successful nominees will become part of MAG for >>> a >>> period of one year and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder >>> consultation process, bringing the perspectives of their respective >>> groups >>> on Internet governance. Group nominees should be members who have >>> actively >>> participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in previous >>> years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current MAG members >>> for >>> re-election and are expected to publicize the selection and nomination >>> process. >>> >>> Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 >>> January 2013* via >>> email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org, >>> >>> using the attached submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of >>> MAG members. >>> >>> Selection and Operation Principles: >>> >>> (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all stakeholder >>> groups, while retaining regional and gender representation, according to >>> established procedures; >>> >>> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are expected >>> to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; >>> >>> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and >>> main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; >>> >>> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in >>> Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They should >>> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year, >>> through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members; >>> >>> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. >>> >>> Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet >>> Governance Forum. >>> >>> >>> (Signed) >>> Wu Hongbo >>> Under-Secretary-General >>> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Part.txt>____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 14:21:50 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:21:50 -0800 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> I've blogged about this at: I’m wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is rather misplaced when included under matters concerning free speech/free expression. Whether a search algorithm propelling a robotic process of information selection would be covered by free speech “rights” is something for legal scholars to ponder at their leisure. I’m wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms venue under which to assess Google’s activities might not more appropriately fall under “freedom of thought” rather than “freedom of speech” i.e. that it concerns the way we know things or our capacity to know certain things (and not have the means to know (or believe) other things). http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/ http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab M From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of parminder Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0 The article raises the right question - whether some parts of our digital environment deserve to be treated as public utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very important 'public function(s)' being performed. I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true. How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and, unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil society. parminder On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM To: ip Subject: [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp note last paragraph Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat Jan 5 22:14:19 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:44:19 +0530 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <50E8EC0B.4050902@itforchange.net> Sala Since time is short I suggest that you just pick up the list of 25 or so volunteers for nom com that was used last time we built a nomcom, and give a 2-3 day opt out window while at the same time invite any other volunteer who may want to join in. May be do a draw for five names in about 5-7 days. Also give a call for potential MAG nominees right away. Otherwise it will be difficult to close this process in the 15 days that we are left with... Just a suggestion. parminder On Saturday 05 January 2013 09:34 PM, Robert Guerra wrote: > My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: > > - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. > gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - > thanks! > - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process > that builds on lessons learned. > - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a > single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, > lessen the impact of the IGC on the decision making process > > regards > > Robert > > > On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: > >> >> IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 >> From: Chengetai Masango >> To: igf Forum >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. >> It was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to >> continuing to do so in 2013. >> >> Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu >> Hongbo concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website >> and I would be grateful if you could distribute it among your >> respective stakeholder groups. >> >> Best regards >> >> Chengetai >> >> _________________________________ >> >> >> The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group >> (MAG) has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual >> IGF meetings. >> >> We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present >> members of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable >> guidance in ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. >> >> On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of >> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all >> stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and >> practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. >> Governments, the private sector, civil society, and technical >> communities should submit names of candidates from developed and >> developing countries as well as from economies in transition. >> Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a period of one year >> and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder consultation process, >> bringing the perspectives of their respective groups on Internet >> governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively >> participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in >> previous years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current >> MAG members for re-election and are expected to publicize the >> selection and nomination process. >> >> Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 >> January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org >> , using the attached >> submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of MAG members. >> >> Selection and Operation Principles: >> >> (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all >> stakeholder groups, while retaining regional and gender >> representation, according to established procedures; >> >> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are >> expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder >> groups; >> >> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and >> main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; >> >> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in >> Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They >> should participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the >> year, through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among >> MAG members; >> >> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. >> >> Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet >> Governance Forum. >> >> >> (Signed) >> Wu Hongbo >> Under-Secretary-General >> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) >> >> >> >> >> > Part.txt>____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 22:44:07 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:44:07 +1300 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 Message-ID: Dear All, I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of nominees that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios separately as well. The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important that we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the Independent Non Voting Chair for this. You will all be informed of developments soon. Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Disclaimer first: I dont remember who the members of the last non com were, or even what was it constituted for. Neither do I have any interest in the outcome of the MAG nomination process.... This said, I much prefer we repeat the list of volunteers rather than repeat a nomcom. It take a few minutes to random pick a nomcom from a list of volunteers and so the time taken for the two processes is almost the same. But we have better randomness in getting a new slate every time, which is a key objective of nomcom selection. parminder > The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and > additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations > for MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit > brief bios separately as well. > > The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important > that we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the > Independent Non Voting Chair for this. > > You will all be informed of developments soon. > > Kind Regards, > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun Jan 6 01:55:23 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:25:23 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50E91FDB.1040308@itforchange.net> On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > > I've blogged about this at: > > /I’m wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is rather > misplaced when included under matters concerning free speech/free > expression. Whether a search algorithm propelling a robotic process > of information selection would be covered by free speech “rights” is > something for legal scholars to ponder at their leisure./ > > // > > /I’m wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms venue > under which to assess Google’s activities might not more appropriately > fall under “freedom of thought” rather than “freedom of speech” i.e. > that it concerns the way we know things or our capacity to know > certain things (and not have the means to know (or believe) other > things)./ > I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the search segment of the Internet represents an epistemological window on the world, and thus very clearly represents a core public interest function.... And this has serious implications if google is left free to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to. The FTC judgement is a big disappointment. But then maybe this is more of a media regulation thing rather than a trade regulation one, and FTC will obviously look only at trade issue (on which aspect too I find its judgement inadequate). Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the Internet just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion of others can be grossly harmful to public interest. We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and we need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. parminder > http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/ > > http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab > > M > > *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *parminder > *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the > Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com > > > A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0 > > > The article raises the right question - whether some parts of our > digital environment deserve to be treated as public utilities - due to > (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very important 'public > function(s)' being performed. > > I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any kind of > search neutrality obligations would hurt free expression objectives. > To me, the contrary is true. > > How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article touches the > deeper issues pertaining to search for the right paradigms that should > inform Internet governance.... Most commentaries around WCIT, and even > the almost solo fixation with multistakeholderism, just scratch the > surface, often misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and, > unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil society. > > parminder > > On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > *From:*Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] > *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM > *To:* ip > *Subject:* [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry > the Day - NYTimes.com > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp > > note last paragraph > > Archives > | Modify > > Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Participants were cautiously optimistic that in some areas there has been enough experience and work around the topic of Internet intermediaries by policymakers, the private sector and civil society, to identify and discuss high-level policy principles for the future. Given the global nature of the Internet and the cross- border services that Internet intermediaries often provide, an international convergence of approaches for the development of policies involving Internet intermediaries was viewed as essential, to provide effective guidance to the business sector. /*The OECD was identified as being able to help the emergence of such*//**//*principles and to support their diffusion*/." Even more interestingly, this is what the US Ambassador to the OECD has to say (emphasis added, below as well as above) "Mrs. Kornbluh further noted that the /*OECD is ideally suited to discuss the role of Internet intermediaries because of its historic mandates*/ and ongoing streams of work. Recalling that the OECD is the place where regulators come to share best practices and to develop agreements, guidelines and conventions." Hope, the day will come when civil society will take time off from their preoccupation with demonizing developing countires, and call the bluff of the US and its allies with regard to such deep hypocrisies - who gave them this 'historic role' ???? And why should not a UN based CIRP like body ( which is more multistakeholder than OECD) not 'discuss the role of Internet intermediaries' rather than these self- appointed historic role bearers? parminder On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:25 PM, parminder wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM, michael gurstein wrote: >> >> I've blogged about this at: >> >> /I’m wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is rather >> misplaced when included under matters concerning free speech/free >> expression. Whether a search algorithm propelling a robotic process >> of information selection would be covered by free speech “rights” is >> something for legal scholars to ponder at their leisure./ >> >> // >> >> /I’m wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms venue >> under which to assess Google’s activities might not more >> appropriately fall under “freedom of thought” rather than “freedom of >> speech” i.e. that it concerns the way we know things or our capacity >> to know certain things (and not have the means to know (or believe) >> other things)./ >> > > I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the search > segment of the Internet represents an epistemological window on the > world, and thus very clearly represents a core public interest > function.... And this has serious implications if google is left free > to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to. The FTC judgement is a > big disappointment. But then maybe this is more of a media regulation > thing rather than a trade regulation one, and FTC will obviously look > only at trade issue (on which aspect too I find its judgement inadequate). > > Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance > paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the Internet > just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion of others > can be grossly harmful to public interest. > > We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and we > need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. > > parminder > >> http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/ >> >> http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab >> >> M >> >> *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *parminder >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM >> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the >> Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com >> >> >> A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0 >> >> >> The article raises the right question - whether some parts of our >> digital environment deserve to be treated as public utilities - due >> to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very important 'public >> function(s)' being performed. >> >> I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any kind of >> search neutrality obligations would hurt free expression objectives. >> To me, the contrary is true. >> >> How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article touches >> the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right paradigms that >> should inform Internet governance.... Most commentaries around WCIT, >> and even the almost solo fixation with multistakeholderism, just >> scratch the surface, often misleadingly. The real issues are >> somewhere else and, unfortunately, have not received the needed >> attention of civil society. >> >> parminder >> >> On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> >> *From:*Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] >> *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM >> *To:* ip >> *Subject:* [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry >> the Day - NYTimes.com >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp >> >> note last paragraph >> >> Archives >> | >> Modify >> >> Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun Jan 6 02:22:34 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:52:34 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50E91FDB.1040308@itforchange.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E91FDB.1040308@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <09D0780A-6533-44C6-B54A-09BE1CC1293A@hserus.net> No. Certainly not. I am not sure you realize how elastic the definition of intermediary, and the scope of what can be regulated, can be, when you make this comment. --srs (iPad) On 06-Jan-2013, at 12:25, parminder wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM, michael gurstein wrote: >> I've blogged about this at: >> I’m wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is rather misplaced when included under matters concerning free speech/free expression. Whether a search algorithm propelling a robotic process of information selection would be covered by free speech “rights” is something for legal scholars to ponder at their leisure. >> >> I’m wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms venue under which to assess Google’s activities might not more appropriately fall under “freedom of thought” rather than “freedom of speech” i.e. that it concerns the way we know things or our capacity to know certain things (and not have the means to know (or believe) other things). > > I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the search segment of the Internet represents an epistemological window on the world, and thus very clearly represents a core public interest function.... And this has serious implications if google is left free to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to. The FTC judgement is a big disappointment. But then maybe this is more of a media regulation thing rather than a trade regulation one, and FTC will obviously look only at trade issue (on which aspect too I find its judgement inadequate). > > Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the Internet just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion of others can be grossly harmful to public interest. > > We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and we need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. > > parminder > >> >> http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/ >> >> http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab >> >> M >> >> >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of parminder >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com >> >> >> A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0 >> >> The article raises the right question - whether some parts of our digital environment deserve to be treated as public utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very important 'public function(s)' being performed. >> >> I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true. >> >> How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and, unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil society. >> >> parminder >> >> >> On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM >> To: ip >> Subject: [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp >> >> note last paragraph >> Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun Jan 6 02:27:15 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:57:15 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50E92588.3060503@itforchange.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E91FDB.1040308@itforchange.net> <50E92588.3060503@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <8E831374-D5CF-406F-93CA-8BD31577A09C@hserus.net> Historic role is an ongoing interest in and a series of policy briefs prepared on this area Do note that this proposed model is multistakeholder in nature while what you keep calling for, regulation, most definitely is not. Why is the OECD and / or the usa hypocritical when explicitly endorsing multistakeholderism, while the idea of a civil society organization (thankfully with what appears to be zero consensus from any other than a few others) calling for increased government control and oversight of the Internet is supposed to pass unnoticed? --srs (iPad) On 06-Jan-2013, at 12:49, parminder wrote: > > Interestingly, from an OECD document, 'The role Internet intermediaries in advancing public policy objectives' > > "Articulating common international principles for Internet intermediary policy would be timely. Participants were cautiously optimistic that in some areas there has been enough experience and work around the topic of Internet intermediaries by policymakers, the private sector and civil society, to identify and discuss high-level policy principles for the future. Given the global nature of the Internet and the cross- border services that Internet intermediaries often provide, an international convergence of approaches for the development of policies involving Internet intermediaries was viewed as essential, to provide effective guidance to the business sector. The OECD was identified as being able to help the emergence of such principles and to support their diffusion." > > Even more interestingly, this is what the US Ambassador to the OECD has to say (emphasis added, below as well as above) > > "Mrs. Kornbluh further noted that the OECD is ideally suited to discuss the role of Internet intermediaries because of its historic mandates and ongoing streams of work. Recalling that the OECD is the place where regulators come to share best practices and to develop agreements, guidelines and conventions." > Hope, the day will come when civil society will take time off from their preoccupation with demonizing developing countires, and call the bluff of the US and its allies with regard to such deep hypocrisies - who gave them this 'historic role' ???? And why should not a UN based CIRP like body ( which is more multistakeholder than OECD) not 'discuss the role of Internet intermediaries' rather than these self- appointed historic role bearers? > > parminder > > > > > On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:25 PM, parminder wrote: >> >> On Sunday 06 January 2013 12:51 AM, michael gurstein wrote: >>> I've blogged about this at: >>> I’m wondering though whether the issue concerning Google is rather misplaced when included under matters concerning free speech/free expression. Whether a search algorithm propelling a robotic process of information selection would be covered by free speech “rights” is something for legal scholars to ponder at their leisure. >>> >>> I’m wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms venue under which to assess Google’s activities might not more appropriately fall under “freedom of thought” rather than “freedom of speech” i.e. that it concerns the way we know things or our capacity to know certain things (and not have the means to know (or believe) other things). >> >> I agree that google with more than 90 percent control over the search segment of the Internet represents an epistemological window on the world, and thus very clearly represents a core public interest function.... And this has serious implications if google is left free to manipulate its algorithms as it wishes to. The FTC judgement is a big disappointment. But then maybe this is more of a media regulation thing rather than a trade regulation one, and FTC will obviously look only at trade issue (on which aspect too I find its judgement inadequate). >> >> Internet defines new realities, and that requires new governance paradigms.... Above is a good instance of how looking at the Internet just through one perspective (trade law) to the exclusion of others can be grossly harmful to public interest. >> >> We require neutrality principles for Internet intermediaries, and we need them now. Hope civil society can do something about it. >> >> parminder >> >>> >>> http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel-neither-it-is-like-nernsts-third-law-of-thermodynamics-or-the-nicene-creed/ >>> >>> http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab >>> >>> M >>> >>> >>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of parminder >>> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:00 AM >>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com >>> >>> >>> A very interesting take on FTC's decisions on google >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/opinion/is-google-like-gas-or-like-steel.html?_r=0 >>> >>> The article raises the right question - whether some parts of our digital environment deserve to be treated as public utilities - due to (1) the extent of monopoly and (2) the very important 'public function(s)' being performed. >>> >>> I do not agree with the conclusion of the authors that any kind of search neutrality obligations would hurt free expression objectives. To me, the contrary is true. >>> >>> How much ever I disagree with its conclusions, the article touches the deeper issues pertaining to search for the right paradigms that should inform Internet governance.... Most commentaries around WCIT, and even the almost solo fixation with multistakeholderism, just scratch the surface, often misleadingly. The real issues are somewhere else and, unfortunately, have not received the needed attention of civil society. >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> On Friday 04 January 2013 08:42 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >>> From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM >>> To: ip >>> Subject: [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp >>> >>> note last paragraph >>> Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now >>> >>> >>> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun Jan 6 08:42:00 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:42:00 -0500 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <50E8F894.8070601@itforchange.net> References: <50E8F894.8070601@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <2B5CB958-2BBA-4E4D-A916-74BA59ED1ED5@acm.org> Hi, While I am uncomfortable with using the old set of volunteers, I accept that posting list and of giving people time to opt out, or in for that matter. I agree with Parminder that using the same nomcom is a bad idea. Had we carried through with the suggestions to setup a nomcom for a year's worth of tasks, we might have been able to do that. But I take the inaction along this front as an indication of IGC not having support for doing this. avri On 5 Jan 2013, at 23:07, parminder wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2013 09:14 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of nominees that come in. > > Disclaimer first: I dont remember who the members of the last non com were, or even what was it constituted for. Neither do I have any interest in the outcome of the MAG nomination process.... > > This said, I much prefer we repeat the list of volunteers rather than repeat a nomcom. It take a few minutes to random pick a nomcom from a list of volunteers and so the time taken for the two processes is almost the same. But we have better randomness in getting a new slate every time, which is a key objective of nomcom selection. > > parminder > > >> The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios separately as well. >> >> The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important that we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the Independent Non Voting Chair for this. >> >> You will all be informed of developments soon. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From hakik at hakik.org Sun Jan 6 10:24:31 2013 From: hakik at hakik.org (Hakikur Rahman) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:24:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <50E8F894.8070601@itforchange.net> References: <50E8F894.8070601@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Disclaimer second: I would prefer to listen as I am doing it for many years. Learning about the process and listening to the learned members of this community. Learning about MAG and issues of importance that in my opinion would have gain much momentum along these years. I am humbly withdrawing my name from this NomCom, though I have served in earlier NomComs for making them as successful. Also, please opt out my name from any random list, given that I could be in this IGCCaucas list to learn some more about IG. Best regards, Hakikur At 04:07 06-01-2013, parminder wrote: >On Sunday 06 January 2013 09:14 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>Dear All, >> >>I have asked the former NomCom to assist in >>selecting the names of nominees that come in. > >Disclaimer first: I dont remember who the >members of the last non com were, or even what >was it constituted for. Neither do I have any >interest in the outcome of the MAG nomination process.... > >This said, I much prefer we repeat the list of >volunteers rather than repeat a nomcom. It take >a few minutes to random pick a nomcom from a >list of volunteers and so the time taken for the >two processes is almost the same. But we have >better randomness in getting a new slate every >time, which is a key objective of nomcom selection. > >parminder >Â > >>Â The poll is currently being prepared for IGC >>elections and additional questions will be put >>forward to in relation to nominations for MAG >>etc. The list of names that come in will be >>asked to submit brief bios separately as well. >> >>The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the >>names but it is important that we get a broad >>selection as possible. We have yet to select >>the Independent Non Voting Chair for this. >> >>You will all be informed of developments soon. >> >>Kind Regards, >> >>-- >>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>P.O. Box 17862 >>Suva >>Fiji >> >>Twitter: @SalanietaT >>Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>Tel: +679 3544828 >>Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >>Â > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 10:39:36 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:39:36 +0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> On 2013/01/05 09:21 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > /I’m wondering rather whether the appropriate rights/freedoms venue > under which to assess Google’s activities might not more appropriately > fall under “freedom of thought” rather than “freedom of speech” i.e. > that it concerns the way we know things or our capacity to know > certain things (and not have the means to know (or believe) other > things)./ This kind of purview puts the lack of an unlike button on facebook in a proper context... nice one... provocative! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in addition to the names the NomCom comes up with now, might be good to suggest that the 2012 batch also remain. Adam On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of nominees > that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and > additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for > MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios > separately as well. > > The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important that > we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the Independent > Non Voting Chair for this. > > You will all be informed of developments soon. > > Kind Regards, > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 11:17:08 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:17:08 +0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50E9A384.4080304@gmail.com> EU Commission's Google Investigation Won't Be Affected By American Decision *Reuters* | Posted: 01/05/2013 2:49 pm EST | Updated: 01/05/2013 2:49 pm EST Follow: European Union , Google , Video , Google FTC , European Union , Eu Commission Google Investigation , Google Antitrust , Reuters , Business News (Reuters) - A decision by U.S. regulators to end a probe into whether Google Inc hurt rivals by manipulating internet searches will not affect the European Union's examination of the company. "We have taken note of the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) decision, but we don't see that it has any direct implications for our investigation, for our discussions with Google, which are ongoing," said Michael Jennings, a spokesman for the European Commission, the EU executive. U.S. regulators on Thursday ended their investigation into the giant internet company, which runs the world's most popular search engine. Other internet companies, such as Microsoft Corp, had complained about Google tweaking its search results to give prominence to its own products. But the FTC said there was not enough evidence to pursue a big search-bias case. The European Commission has for the past two years been investigating complaints against Google, including claims that it unfairly favored its own services in its search results. Google presented informal settlement proposals to the Commission in July. On December 18 the Commission gave the company a month to come up with detailed proposals to resolve the investigation. If it fails to address the complaints and is found guilty, Google could eventually be fined up to 10 percent of its revenue - a fine of up to $4 billion. (Reporting By Ethan Bilby; Editing by Sebastian Moffett and David Goodman) On 2013/01/04 05:12 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > *From:*Dave Farber [mailto:dave at farber.net] > *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2013 5:35 AM > *To:* ip > *Subject:* [IP] Google’s Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the > Day - NYTimes.com > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/technology/googles-lawyers-work-behind-the-scenes-to-carry-the-day.html?hp > > note last paragraph > > Archives > | > Modify > > Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun Jan 6 11:52:08 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 22:22:08 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. Can we please 1. Have a reality check here 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance --srs (iPad) On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" wrote: > Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… > > To put that in English… > > I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say… > > M > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. Can we please 1. Have a reality check here 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance --srs (iPad) On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" wrote: Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… To put that in English… I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say… M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Jan 6 13:52:36 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 05:52:36 +1100 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36613454AE654EB9A07DF9DB0126E547@Toshiba> I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even with the path of least resistance. Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger group of nominees might be praxctical. Ian Peter -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to submit 6 names for the deadline? The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in addition to the names the NomCom comes up with now, might be good to suggest that the 2012 batch also remain. Adam On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of > nominees > that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and > additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for > MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios > separately as well. > > The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important > that > we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the > Independent > Non Voting Chair for this. > > You will all be informed of developments soon. > > Kind Regards, > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Sun Jan 6 14:50:35 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 14:50:35 -0500 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <50E9D58B.6080602@communisphere.com> +1 especially to the suggestion > civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list > of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the impact > of the IGC on the decision making process As the "fill-in" chair of last year's MAG nomcom, I was quite disappointed to learn that ours was just one of the lists from civil society that was submitted to the MAG. I would not advocate for the creation of an official list by a MAG designated body (a channel for self nominations by outsiders is helpful), but submissions from a scattering of civil society sources puts too much power in the hands of MAG central to pick and choose. A submission by a civil society "joint- board" seems worth considering. Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/5/2013 11:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: > > - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. > gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - > thanks! > - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process > that builds on lessons learned. > - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a > single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, > lessen the impact of the IGC on the decision making process > > regards > > Robert > > > On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: > >> >> IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 >> From: Chengetai Masango >> To: igf Forum >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. >> It was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to >> continuing to do so in 2013. >> >> Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu >> Hongbo concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website >> and I would be grateful if you could distribute it among your >> respective stakeholder groups. >> >> Best regards >> >> Chengetai >> >> _________________________________ >> >> >> The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group >> (MAG) has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual >> IGF meetings. >> >> We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present >> members of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable >> guidance in ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. >> >> On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of >> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all >> stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and >> practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. >> Governments, the private sector, civil society, and technical >> communities should submit names of candidates from developed and >> developing countries as well as from economies in transition. >> Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a period of one year >> and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder consultation process, >> bringing the perspectives of their respective groups on Internet >> governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively >> participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in >> previous years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current >> MAG members for re-election and are expected to publicize the >> selection and nomination process. >> >> Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 >> January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org >> , using the attached >> submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of MAG members. >> >> Selection and Operation Principles: >> >> (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all >> stakeholder groups, while retaining regional and gender >> representation, according to established procedures; >> >> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are >> expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder >> groups; >> >> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and >> main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; >> >> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in >> Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They >> should participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the >> year, through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among >> MAG members; >> >> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. >> >> Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet >> Governance Forum. >> >> >> (Signed) >> Wu Hongbo >> Under-Secretary-General >> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) >> >> >> >> >> > Part.txt>____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Sun Jan 6 15:10:51 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:10:51 -0500 Subject: [governance] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <12f601cdec35$bc1cd380$34567a80$@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <12f601cdec35$bc1cd380$34567a80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50E9DA4B.8030608@communisphere.com> Regarding "right to know" and "right to say," the following was posted on a Transparent Search wiki page we host. "Such placements need to be carefully reviewed by fairness rules of what might be called "search journalism." Here in the U.S. the First Amendment - "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..." - poses an apparent block to any regulation. "But it might be argued that there are parallels between the impact of technology on the interpretation of the First Amendment, perhaps with parallels drawn with the Second Amendment. Americans are all to familiar with a decades long controversy about that Amendment's guaranteeing a citizen's right to bare arms: Did the Founding Fathers intend that citizens be allowed to own and use powerful automatic weapons? The corresponding First Amendment question might be: Was big data, big money, and search imagined by the Founding Fathers?" "So for the immediate future, regulation of search journalism is unlikely. And with the creation of a transparent "search.nyc" vital to our city's effective operation, a trusted entity must be identified to oversee its development." Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/6/2013 12:46 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > Perhaps before trolling on you might want to actually read the > blogpost of which this was a "teaser"… http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab > > M > > *From:*Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] > *Sent:* Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:52 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein > *Subject:* Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the > Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com > > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com > and other google search results, instead of > Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about > google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have > actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? > Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements > from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where > google got spanked by the FTC. > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# > is > worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how > google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > > --srs (iPad) > > > On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" > wrote: > > Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… > > To put that in English… > > /I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" > Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than > issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential > for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not > know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say…/ > > // > > /M/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 15:18:05 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:18:05 -0800 Subject: [governance] FW: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? M -----Original Message----- From: davidicus [mailto:bigbluearth at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:09 PM To: ciresearchers Cc: michael gurstein Subject: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications This story in Science Daily may be of interest to some CI Colleagues. ~d --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications Jan. 2, 2013 — Amid growing concern over the surprisingly large amount of greenhouse gas produced by the Internet and other telecommunications activities, researchers are reporting new models of emissions and energy consumption that could help reduce their carbon footprint. Their report appears in ACS' journal Environmental Science & Technology. Researchers from the Centre for Energy-Efficient Telecommunications (CEET) and Bell Labs explain that the information communications and technology (ICT) industry, which delivers Internet, video, voice and other cloud services, produces more than 830 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main greenhouse gas, annually. That's about 2 percent of global CO2 emissions -- the same proportion as the aviation industry produces. Projections suggest that ICT sector's share is expected to double by 2020. The team notes that controlling those emissions requires more accurate but still feasible models, which take into account the data traffic, energy use and CO2 production in networks and other elements of the ICT industry. Existing assessment models are inaccurate, so they set out to develop new approaches that better account for variations in equipment and other factors in the ICT industry. They describe development and testing of two new models that better estimate the energy consumption and CO2 emissions of Internet and telecommunications services. They tested the models on a simulated network and on a deployed network that serves the majority of schools in California. Both models delivered better estimates than the current "top-down" models. The researchers suggest, based on their models, that more efficient power usage of facilities, more efficient use of energy-efficient equipment and renewable energy sources are three keys to reducing ICT emissions of CO2. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Story Source: The above story is reprinted from materials provided by American Chemical Society. Journal Reference: Chien A. Chan, André F. Gygax, Elaine Wong, Christopher A. Leckie, Ampalavanapillai Nirmalathas, Daniel C. Kilper. Methodologies for Assessing the Use-Phase Power Consumption and Greenhouse Gas Emissions of Telecommunications Network Services. Environmental Science & Technology, 2013; 47 (1): 485 DOI: 10.1021/es303384y Web address: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm Disclaimer: Views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of ScienceDaily or its staff. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================ D a v i d S a d o w a y BES, MRM PhD Candidate Department of Urban Planning & Design The University of Hong Kong Email: one1earth at hku.hk (852)2859.2721 -------------------------------------------------------- Visiting Associate Center for Asia-Pacific Area Studies Academia Sinica (Taipei, Taiwan) Email: bigbluearth at gmail.com (886)2929.2948 ================================ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 15:28:04 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:28:04 +0200 Subject: [governance] FW: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50E9DE54.9030900@gmail.com> Taking my cue from my opinion of the tenor of this list, and to play devil's advocate, what proof do you have that anthropocentric activity is driving climate change, if at all it is a reality at all? Thought I would save others the bother and be a little anticipatory :) On 2013/01/06 10:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: davidicus [mailto:bigbluearth at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:09 PM > To: ciresearchers > Cc: michael gurstein > Subject: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications > > This story in Science Daily may be of interest to some CI Colleagues. > ~d > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications > > Jan. 2, 2013 — Amid growing concern over the surprisingly large amount of greenhouse gas produced by the Internet and other telecommunications activities, researchers are reporting new models of emissions and energy consumption that could help reduce their carbon footprint. > > Their report appears in ACS' journal Environmental Science & Technology. > > Researchers from the Centre for Energy-Efficient Telecommunications > (CEET) and Bell Labs explain that the information communications and technology (ICT) industry, which delivers Internet, video, voice and other cloud services, produces more than 830 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main greenhouse gas, annually. That's about 2 percent of global CO2 emissions -- the same proportion as the aviation industry produces. Projections suggest that ICT sector's share is expected to double by 2020. The team notes that controlling those emissions requires more accurate but still feasible models, which take into account the data traffic, energy use and CO2 production in networks and other elements of the ICT industry. Existing assessment models are inaccurate, so they set out to develop new approaches that better account for variations in equipment and other factors in the ICT industry. > > They describe development and testing of two new models that better estimate the energy consumption and CO2 emissions of Internet and telecommunications services. They tested the models on a simulated network and on a deployed network that serves the majority of schools in California. Both models delivered better estimates than the current "top-down" models. The researchers suggest, based on their models, that more efficient power usage of facilities, more efficient use of energy-efficient equipment and renewable energy sources are three keys to reducing ICT emissions of CO2. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Story Source: > The above story is reprinted from materials provided by American Chemical Society. > > Journal Reference: > Chien A. Chan, André F. Gygax, Elaine Wong, Christopher A. Leckie, Ampalavanapillai Nirmalathas, Daniel C. Kilper. Methodologies for Assessing the Use-Phase Power Consumption and Greenhouse Gas Emissions of Telecommunications Network Services. Environmental Science & Technology, 2013; 47 (1): 485 DOI: 10.1021/es303384y > > Web address: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Disclaimer: Views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of ScienceDaily or its staff. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ================================ > D a v i d S a d o w a y BES, MRM > PhD Candidate > Department of Urban Planning & Design > The University of Hong Kong > Email: one1earth at hku.hk > (852)2859.2721 > -------------------------------------------------------- > Visiting Associate > Center for Asia-Pacific Area Studies > Academia Sinica (Taipei, Taiwan) > Email: bigbluearth at gmail.com > (886)2929.2948 > ================================ > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Jan 6 15:32:20 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:32:20 +1100 Subject: [governance] FW: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31C16AF2FD10499DBE15265A1BF0E31F@Toshiba> has been discussed in the past - and people like Bill St Arnaud have done excellent work in this area. But to put things simply - server farms should be relocated near renewable energy resources (in fact their is no technical reason not to relocate all large server farms to say Iceland to take advantage of their thermo resources). The good thing here is that there is good cost justification as well - for all large (including corporate) server farms energy costs are substantial, and there are immediate and substantial cost savings from relocation. But we are rather good at inertia... -----Original Message----- From: michael gurstein Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 7:18 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: [governance] FW: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? M -----Original Message----- From: davidicus [mailto:bigbluearth at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:09 PM To: ciresearchers Cc: michael gurstein Subject: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications This story in Science Daily may be of interest to some CI Colleagues. ~d --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications Jan. 2, 2013 — Amid growing concern over the surprisingly large amount of greenhouse gas produced by the Internet and other telecommunications activities, researchers are reporting new models of emissions and energy consumption that could help reduce their carbon footprint. Their report appears in ACS' journal Environmental Science & Technology. Researchers from the Centre for Energy-Efficient Telecommunications (CEET) and Bell Labs explain that the information communications and technology (ICT) industry, which delivers Internet, video, voice and other cloud services, produces more than 830 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main greenhouse gas, annually. That's about 2 percent of global CO2 emissions -- the same proportion as the aviation industry produces. Projections suggest that ICT sector's share is expected to double by 2020. The team notes that controlling those emissions requires more accurate but still feasible models, which take into account the data traffic, energy use and CO2 production in networks and other elements of the ICT industry. Existing assessment models are inaccurate, so they set out to develop new approaches that better account for variations in equipment and other factors in the ICT industry. They describe development and testing of two new models that better estimate the energy consumption and CO2 emissions of Internet and telecommunications services. They tested the models on a simulated network and on a deployed network that serves the majority of schools in California. Both models delivered better estimates than the current "top-down" models. The researchers suggest, based on their models, that more efficient power usage of facilities, more efficient use of energy-efficient equipment and renewable energy sources are three keys to reducing ICT emissions of CO2. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Story Source: The above story is reprinted from materials provided by American Chemical Society. Journal Reference: Chien A. Chan, André F. Gygax, Elaine Wong, Christopher A. Leckie, Ampalavanapillai Nirmalathas, Daniel C. Kilper. Methodologies for Assessing the Use-Phase Power Consumption and Greenhouse Gas Emissions of Telecommunications Network Services. Environmental Science & Technology, 2013; 47 (1): 485 DOI: 10.1021/es303384y Web address: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm Disclaimer: Views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of ScienceDaily or its staff. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================ D a v i d S a d o w a y BES, MRM PhD Candidate Department of Urban Planning & Design The University of Hong Kong Email: one1earth at hku.hk (852)2859.2721 -------------------------------------------------------- Visiting Associate Center for Asia-Pacific Area Studies Academia Sinica (Taipei, Taiwan) Email: bigbluearth at gmail.com (886)2929.2948 ================================ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Jan 6 15:36:07 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:36:07 +1100 Subject: [governance] FW: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: <50E9DE54.9030900@gmail.com> References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> <50E9DE54.9030900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19CF3FBA44744FC4AEBB575D04347B10@Toshiba> Riaz, a one word answer is SCIENCE! Read credible sources on this. There are plenty. They do not include Fox News. -----Original Message----- From: Riaz K Tayob Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 7:28 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] FW: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications Taking my cue from my opinion of the tenor of this list, and to play devil's advocate, what proof do you have that anthropocentric activity is driving climate change, if at all it is a reality at all? Thought I would save others the bother and be a little anticipatory :) On 2013/01/06 10:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of > global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this > comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. > Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: davidicus [mailto:bigbluearth at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:09 PM > To: ciresearchers > Cc: michael gurstein > Subject: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and > Telecommunications > > This story in Science Daily may be of interest to some CI Colleagues. > ~d > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and > Telecommunications > > Jan. 2, 2013 — Amid growing concern over the surprisingly large amount of > greenhouse gas produced by the Internet and other telecommunications > activities, researchers are reporting new models of emissions and energy > consumption that could help reduce their carbon footprint. > > Their report appears in ACS' journal Environmental Science & Technology. > > Researchers from the Centre for Energy-Efficient Telecommunications > (CEET) and Bell Labs explain that the information communications and > technology (ICT) industry, which delivers Internet, video, voice and other > cloud services, produces more than 830 million tons of carbon dioxide > (CO2), the main greenhouse gas, annually. That's about 2 percent of global > CO2 emissions -- the same proportion as the aviation industry produces. > Projections suggest that ICT sector's share is expected to double by 2020. > The team notes that controlling those emissions requires more accurate but > still feasible models, which take into account the data traffic, energy > use and CO2 production in networks and other elements of the ICT industry. > Existing assessment models are inaccurate, so they set out to develop new > approaches that better account for variations in equipment and other > factors in the ICT industry. > > They describe development and testing of two new models that better > estimate the energy consumption and CO2 emissions of Internet and > telecommunications services. They tested the models on a simulated network > and on a deployed network that serves the majority of schools in > California. Both models delivered better estimates than the current > "top-down" models. The researchers suggest, based on their models, that > more efficient power usage of facilities, more efficient use of > energy-efficient equipment and renewable energy sources are three keys to > reducing ICT emissions of CO2. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Story Source: > The above story is reprinted from materials provided by American Chemical > Society. > > Journal Reference: > Chien A. Chan, André F. Gygax, Elaine Wong, Christopher A. Leckie, > Ampalavanapillai Nirmalathas, Daniel C. Kilper. Methodologies for > Assessing the Use-Phase Power Consumption and Greenhouse Gas Emissions of > Telecommunications Network Services. Environmental Science & Technology, > 2013; 47 (1): 485 DOI: 10.1021/es303384y > > Web address: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Disclaimer: Views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect > those of ScienceDaily or its staff. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ================================ > D a v i d S a d o w a y BES, MRM > PhD Candidate > Department of Urban Planning & Design > The University of Hong Kong > Email: one1earth at hku.hk > (852)2859.2721 > -------------------------------------------------------- > Visiting Associate > Center for Asia-Pacific Area Studies > Academia Sinica (Taipei, Taiwan) > Email: bigbluearth at gmail.com > (886)2929.2948 > ================================ > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu Sun Jan 6 15:55:43 2013 From: peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu (Peter H. Hellmonds) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:55:43 +0100 Subject: [governance] FW: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: <1147028144.1694674.1357504792806.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbagw18.schlund.de> References: <1147028144.1694674.1357504792806.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbagw18.schlund.de> Message-ID: <1669912738.1695243.1357505744188.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbagw18> Michael, To be doing the climate bill accounting right, you need to look at the total climate bill of the Internet ecosystem. This means rather than just looking at the one side of the balance (energy costs of Internet servers) you should also look at the energy savings of individuals and corporations using the Internet in more energy conscious ways. For example by reducing emissions because people can work from home over the net and need not drive to work every day. Or the savings derived from making conference calls and video conferences with application sharing instead if traveling by car or plane to meet in person. Or the savings by not requiring local off-net servers because the apps and data have been more efficiently moved into the cloud into those server farms. This would be a good subject for an academic study. And the results, if they stand up to peer review and fact and methodology checking, could well be shared and discussed at a future IGF. Regards, Peter On 06.01.2013, at 21:19, "michael gurstein" wrote: According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? M -----Original Message----- From: davidicus [mailto:bigbluearth at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:09 PM To: ciresearchers Cc: michael gurstein Subject: Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications This story in Science Daily may be of interest to some CI Colleagues. ~d --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications Jan. 2, 2013 — Amid growing concern over the surprisingly large amount of greenhouse gas produced by the Internet and other telecommunications activities, researchers are reporting new models of emissions and energy consumption that could help reduce their carbon footprint. Their report appears in ACS' journal Environmental Science & Technology. Researchers from the Centre for Energy-Efficient Telecommunications (CEET) and Bell Labs explain that the information communications and technology (ICT) industry, which delivers Internet, video, voice and other cloud services, produces more than 830 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main greenhouse gas, annually. That's about 2 percent of global CO2 emissions -- the same proportion as the aviation industry produces. Projections suggest that ICT sector's share is expected to double by 2020. The team notes that controlling those emissions requires more accurate but still feasible models, which take into account the data traffic, energy use and CO2 production in networks and other elements of the ICT industry. Existing assessment models are inaccurate, so they set out to develop new approaches that better account for variations in equipment and other factors in the ICT industry. They describe development and testing of two new models that better estimate the energy consumption and CO2 emissions of Internet and telecommunications services. They tested the models on a simulated network and on a deployed network that serves the majority of schools in California. Both models delivered better estimates than the current "top-down" models. The researchers suggest, based on their models, that more efficient power usage of facilities, more efficient use of energy-efficient equipment and renewable energy sources are three keys to reducing ICT emissions of CO2. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Story Source: The above story is reprinted from materials provided by American Chemical Society. Journal Reference: Chien A. Chan, André F. Gygax, Elaine Wong, Christopher A. Leckie, Ampalavanapillai Nirmalathas, Daniel C. Kilper. Methodologies for Assessing the Use-Phase Power Consumption and Greenhouse Gas Emissions of Telecommunications Network Services. Environmental Science & Technology, 2013; 47 (1): 485 DOI: 10.1021/es303384y Web address: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm Disclaimer: Views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of ScienceDaily or its staff. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================ D a v i d S a d o w a y BES, MRM PhD Candidate Department of Urban Planning & Design The University of Hong Kong Email: one1earth at hku.hk (852)2859.2721 -------------------------------------------------------- Visiting Associate Center for Asia-Pacific Area Studies Academia Sinica (Taipei, Taiwan) Email: bigbluearth at gmail.com (886)2929.2948 ================================ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at istaff.org Sun Jan 6 16:03:22 2013 From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:03:22 -0500 Subject: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? I would recommend reading Greenpeace's study in this area for an understanding of the efforts currently being made by some of the leading industry players in this space: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/publications/Campaign-reports/Climate-Reports/How-Clean-is-Your-Cloud/ There is significant attention to this problem in the Internet data center industry, even to the point of sharing of best practices and increasing level of visibility into the power utilization, sourcing, and efficiency of these facilities. It would be interesting to hear from those involved in this space regarding what, if anything, could be done to allow further improvements in efficiency and emissions. FYI, /John Disclaimers: My views alone. 100% post-consumer electrons used in this email. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 16:25:21 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 13:25:21 -0800 Subject: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13f201cdec54$55b3b0e0$011b12a0$@gmail.com> Yes, and thanks to everyone (even Riaz with his tongure firmly in his cheek... This subject seems to me to be an ideal one for the IGF where some quite positive contributions could be made by including the range of stakeholders and including folks from the various policy worlds who may not have, as yet, been included in this most urgent conversation. A good place for the private sector to showcase it's responsible actions and a useful way to get some environment researchers in touch with folks on the ICT policy shop floor so that environmental concerns become one of the issue areas to be addressed when ICT policy issues are being discussed. M -----Original Message----- From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at istaff.org] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:03 PM To: michael gurstein Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% > of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of > this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations > (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? I would recommend reading Greenpeace's study in this area for an understanding of the efforts currently being made by some of the leading industry players in this space: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/publications/Campaign-reports/Cli mate-Reports/How-Clean-is-Your-Cloud/ There is significant attention to this problem in the Internet data center industry, even to the point of sharing of best practices and increasing level of visibility into the power utilization, sourcing, and efficiency of these facilities. It would be interesting to hear from those involved in this space regarding what, if anything, could be done to allow further improvements in efficiency and emissions. FYI, /John Disclaimers: My views alone. 100% post-consumer electrons used in this email. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sun Jan 6 18:29:44 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:29:44 -0500 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: On 5 Jan 2013, at 11:04, Robert Guerra wrote: > - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the impact of the IGC on the decision making process > I do not see the point of this. There are many points of aggregation in Civil Society . It is long past time when the IGC could pretend to bea principle aggregator. I do not see any other groups else that can serve as an adequate aggregator either. Put another way, last time at least APC, Diplo, and IGC sent lists, of which I think Diplo had the most rigorous process. i am sure there were many others (anyone have a tally of how many civil society lists were submitted). I would assume that no matter how much someone tries to insist their group is the principle aggregator, others will send their own lists. Besides it is just a suggestion to DESA. It is not as if Civil society were selecting its own representatives, Various groups are just giving list of suggestions to be chosen or passed-over as UNDESA sees fit. As for processes, if the IGC can't follow its own processes and can't be bothered to amend them in time, one has to wonder about how viable the caucus remains. Working around the processes invites others to ignore the recommendations. We knew this was coming, so why weren't we prepared for it? #justsaying -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun Jan 6 19:09:21 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (=?utf-8?B?U3VyZXNoIFJhbWFzdWJyYW1hbmlhbg==?=) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 05:39:21 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com Message-ID: I did. I still don't see just where this is related to igov. Did they rename this Googlebash caucus when I was asleep? --srs (htc one x) ----- Reply message ----- From: "michael gurstein" To: "'Suresh Ramasubramanian'" , Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 11:16 PM Perhaps before trolling on you might want to actually read the blogpost of which this was a "teaser"… http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab M From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:52 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. Can we please 1. Have a reality check here 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance --srs (iPad) On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" wrote: Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… To put that in English… I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say… M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There obviously will always be organizations or people who, while not full time engaged in tracking igov, may respond to significant events such as MAG nominations. --srs (htc one x) ----- Reply message ----- From: "Thomas Lowenhaupt" To: , "Robert Guerra" Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 Date: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:20 AM +1 especially to the suggestion > civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list > of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the impact > of the IGC on the decision making process As the "fill-in" chair of last year's MAG nomcom, I was quite disappointed to learn that ours was just one of the lists from civil society that was submitted to the MAG. I would not advocate for the creation of an official list by a MAG designated body (a channel for self nominations by outsiders is helpful), but submissions from a scattering of civil society sources puts too much power in the hands of MAG central to pick and choose. A submission by a civil society "joint- board" seems worth considering. Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/5/2013 11:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: > > - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. > gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - > thanks! > - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process > that builds on lessons learned. > - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a > single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, > lessen the impact of the IGC on the decision making process > > regards > > Robert > > > On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: > >> >> IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 >> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 >> From: Chengetai Masango >> To: igf Forum >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. >> It was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to >> continuing to do so in 2013. >> >> Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu >> Hongbo concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website >> and I would be grateful if you could distribute it among your >> respective stakeholder groups. >> >> Best regards >> >> Chengetai >> >> _________________________________ >> >> >> The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group >> (MAG) has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual >> IGF meetings. >> >> We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present >> members of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable >> guidance in ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. >> >> On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of >> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all >> stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and >> practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. >> Governments, the private sector, civil society, and technical >> communities should submit names of candidates from developed and >> developing countries as well as from economies in transition. >> Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a period of one year >> and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder consultation process, >> bringing the perspectives of their respective groups on Internet >> governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively >> participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in >> previous years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current >> MAG members for re-election and are expected to publicize the >> selection and nomination process. >> >> Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 >> January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org >> , using the attached >> submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of MAG members. >> >> Selection and Operation Principles: >> >> (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all >> stakeholder groups, while retaining regional and gender >> representation, according to established procedures; >> >> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are >> expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder >> groups; >> >> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and >> main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; >> >> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in >> Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They >> should participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the >> year, through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among >> MAG members; >> >> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. >> >> Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet >> Governance Forum. >> >> >> (Signed) >> Wu Hongbo >> Under-Secretary-General >> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) >> >> >> >> >> > Part.txt>____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But they have a way to go before they get to the level of monopoly that, say, the railroads, ma bell etc enjoyed. --srs (htc one x) ----- Reply message ----- From: "Thomas Lowenhaupt" To: Cc: "michael gurstein" , "Suresh Ramasubramanian" Subject: [governance] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com Date: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:40 AM Regarding "right to know" and "right to say," the following was posted on a Transparent Search wiki page we host. "Such placements need to be carefully reviewed by fairness rules of what might be called "search journalism." Here in the U.S. the First Amendment - "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..." - poses an apparent block to any regulation. "But it might be argued that there are parallels between the impact of technology on the interpretation of the First Amendment, perhaps with parallels drawn with the Second Amendment. Americans are all to familiar with a decades long controversy about that Amendment's guaranteeing a citizen's right to bare arms: Did the Founding Fathers intend that citizens be allowed to own and use powerful automatic weapons? The corresponding First Amendment question might be: Was big data, big money, and search imagined by the Founding Fathers?" "So for the immediate future, regulation of search journalism is unlikely. And with the creation of a transparent "search.nyc" vital to our city's effective operation, a trusted entity must be identified to oversee its development." Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/6/2013 12:46 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > Perhaps before trolling on you might want to actually read the > blogpost of which this was a "teaser"… http://wp.me/pJQl5-ab > > M > > *From:*Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] > *Sent:* Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:52 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein > *Subject:* Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the > Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com > > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com > and other google search results, instead of > Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about > google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have > actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? > Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements > from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where > google got spanked by the FTC. > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# > is > worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how > google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > > --srs (iPad) > > > On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" > wrote: > > Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… > > To put that in English… > > /I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" > Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than > issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential > for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not > know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say…/ > > // > > /M/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for less than 12 months. In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The election candidates will include an additional question about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. Kind Regards, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but > above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co > ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months > old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated > effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us > know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that > might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even > with the path of least resistance. > > Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate > of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't > know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder > groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved > cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss > of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an > opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger > group of nominees might be praxctical. > > Ian Peter > > -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 > > > Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with > rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) > > How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to > submit 6 names for the deadline? > > The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope > they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in > addition to the names the NomCom comes up with now, might be good to > suggest that the 2012 batch also remain. > > Adam > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of >> nominees >> that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and >> additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for >> MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios >> separately as well. >> >> The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important >> that >> we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the >> Independent >> Non Voting Chair for this. >> >> You will all be informed of developments soon. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.**Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**______________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >> >> > > > > > > > ______________________________**______________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 21:37:52 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:37:52 +1300 Subject: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: <13f201cdec54$55b3b0e0$011b12a0$@gmail.com> References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> <13f201cdec54$55b3b0e0$011b12a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:25 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > Yes, and thanks to everyone (even Riaz with his tongure firmly in his > cheek... > > This subject seems to me to be an ideal one for the IGF where some quite > positive contributions could be made by including the range of stakeholders > and including folks from the various policy worlds who may not have, as > yet, > been included in this most urgent conversation. A good place for the > private > sector to showcase it's responsible actions and a useful way to get some > environment researchers in touch with folks on the ICT policy shop floor so > that environmental concerns become one of the issue areas to be addressed > when ICT policy issues are being discussed. > > I think this is an excellent conversation to have and environmentally friendly designs are relevant and necessary. > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at istaff.org] > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:03 PM > To: michael gurstein > Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of > the Internet and Telecommunications > > On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% > > of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of > > this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations > > (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > > > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? > > I would recommend reading Greenpeace's study in this area for an > understanding of the efforts currently being made by some of the leading > industry players in this space: > > > http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/publications/Campaign-reports/Cli > mate-Reports/How-Clean-is-Your-Cloud/ > > There is significant attention to this problem in the Internet data center > industry, even to the point of sharing of best practices and increasing > level of visibility into the power utilization, sourcing, and efficiency of > these facilities. It would be interesting to hear from those involved in > this space regarding what, if anything, could be done to allow further > improvements in efficiency and emissions. > > FYI, > /John > > Disclaimers: My views alone. 100% post-consumer electrons used in this > email. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sun Jan 6 22:17:54 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:17:54 +0900 Subject: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com> <13f201cdec54$55b3b0e0$011b12a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: How is this Internet Governance rather than, say, ICT4D or just ICT policy. Genuine question :-) Thanks, Adam On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:25 AM, michael gurstein > wrote: >> >> Yes, and thanks to everyone (even Riaz with his tongure firmly in his >> cheek... >> >> This subject seems to me to be an ideal one for the IGF where some quite >> positive contributions could be made by including the range of >> stakeholders >> and including folks from the various policy worlds who may not have, as >> yet, >> been included in this most urgent conversation. A good place for the >> private >> sector to showcase it's responsible actions and a useful way to get some >> environment researchers in touch with folks on the ICT policy shop floor >> so >> that environmental concerns become one of the issue areas to be addressed >> when ICT policy issues are being discussed. >> > > I think this is an excellent conversation to have and environmentally > friendly designs are relevant and necessary. >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at istaff.org] >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:03 PM >> To: michael gurstein >> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of >> the Internet and Telecommunications >> >> On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> >> > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% >> > of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of >> > this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations >> > (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. >> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm >> > >> > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? >> >> I would recommend reading Greenpeace's study in this area for an >> understanding of the efforts currently being made by some of the leading >> industry players in this space: >> >> >> http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/publications/Campaign-reports/Cli >> mate-Reports/How-Clean-is-Your-Cloud/ >> >> There is significant attention to this problem in the Internet data center >> industry, even to the point of sharing of best practices and increasing >> level of visibility into the power utilization, sourcing, and efficiency >> of >> these facilities. It would be interesting to hear from those involved in >> this space regarding what, if anything, could be done to allow further >> improvements in efficiency and emissions. >> >> FYI, >> /John >> >> Disclaimers: My views alone. 100% post-consumer electrons used in this >> email. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Sun Jan 6 22:19:29 2013 From: avri at ella.com (=?utf-8?B?QXZyaSBEb3JpYQ==?=) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:19:29 -0500 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 Message-ID: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> I believe this is an abuse of the process. If 4 or more other IGC members counter-sign this message, perhaps with a +1, we request that the appeals team review this decision by the coordinator - as defined under the charter rules. avri ----- Reply message ----- From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Ian Peter" Cc: "Adam Peake" , Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 19:54 Dear All, Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for less than 12 months. In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The election candidates will include an additional question about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. Kind Regards, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but > above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co > ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months > old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated > effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us > know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that > might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even > with the path of least resistance. > > Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate > of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't > know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder > groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved > cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss > of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an > opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger > group of nominees might be praxctical. > > Ian Peter > > -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 > > > Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with > rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) > > How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to > submit 6 names for the deadline? > > The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope > they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sun Jan 6 22:21:07 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:51:07 +0530 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> Message-ID: <164801cdec86$0a003150$1e0093f0$@hserus.net> +1 From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: 07 January 2013 08:49 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 I believe this is an abuse of the process. If 4 or more other IGC members counter-sign this message, perhaps with a +1, we request that the appeals team review this decision by the coordinator - as defined under the charter rules. avri ----- Reply message ----- From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "Ian Peter" > Cc: "Adam Peake" >, > Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 19:54 Dear All, Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for less than 12 months. In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The election candidates will include an additional question about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. Kind Regards, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter > wrote: > I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but > above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co > ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months > old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated > effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us > know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that > might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even > with the path of least resistance. > > Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate > of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't > know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder > groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved > cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss > of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an > opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger > group of nominees might be praxctical. > > Ian Peter > > -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 > > > Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with > rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) > > How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to > submit 6 names for the deadline? > > The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope > they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sun Jan 6 22:24:54 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:24:54 +0900 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> Message-ID: Hi Avri, Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or not. Thank you, Adam On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > I believe this is an abuse of the process. > > If 4 or more other IGC members counter-sign this message, perhaps with a > +1, we request that the appeals team review this decision by the > coordinator - as defined under the charter rules. > > > avri > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "Ian Peter" > Cc: "Adam Peake" , > Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 > Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 19:54 > > > Dear All, > > Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several > functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served > previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly > drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for > less than 12 months. > > In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by > the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The > election candidates will include an additional question about MAG > Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons > will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their > selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the > IGC and sent to the UNDESA. > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but >> above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co >> ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months >> old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated >> effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of >> us >> know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that >> might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even >> with the path of least resistance. >> >> Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate >> of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't >> know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder >> groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved >> cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss >> of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an >> opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger >> group of nominees might be praxctical. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake >> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 >> >> >> Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with >> rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) >> >> How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to >> submit 6 names for the deadline? >> >> The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope >> they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Sun Jan 6 22:39:06 2013 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 03:39:06 +0000 Subject: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A1F81@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Not to toot my own horn...Ok I will. First I should note in reply to John's query re who is doing things in this space, that SU WiGiT Lab is a member of the 'Enterprise Cloud Leadership Council' of the TM Forum, whose Frameworx industry standards are used by ~1000 of the top IT/telecom players globally. We were just presenting last month with other ECLC members on 'Workplace as a Service' on cloud ie data center to mobile applications at an industry conference. There are a few other universities in ECLC but mainly it is big banks like Commonwealth Bank of Australia, UBS, Bank of America, and usual suspect IT/telecoms players like China Mobile, Cisco, Microsoft, EMC/VMware. (Syracuse University's Green Data Center claimed to be cleanest/greenest when built a few years back, but by now maybe others hold that title.) Reason I mention all this is the ECLC's 'Workplace as a Service' will be designed to stretch to edge devices and resources, utilizing edgeware, a new class of software which among other things can be optimized for minimal energy use by the user - whether by her device, the network, the application, the data center/cloud, or any combination thereof. The reason my students and I are engaged is because of our ten years of research on wireless grids, and my invention of edgeware. I'm presenting a tutorial tomorrow at HICSS on wireless grid ad hoc network applications, which will include discussion of a few environmental and energy applications. I argued some time back as a professor/researcher theoretically wireless grids are the cleanest/greenest/most energy efficient form of networking possible. I haven't been proven wrong yet ; ) Core argument being....if you can avoid spinning up and down servers, and can avoid uploading and downloading, then you use less energy. Right? It's kind of a -Zen- serverless and centerless network. I also note that in the WiGiT v0.2 open specs we are just wrapping up, the 10 IRPs are already embedded. Meaning we are already syncing across 80+ campuses, companies, and communities, with IGC and global CS values, to the extent an underfunded NSF Partnership for Innovation project can. v0.3 will be optimized for energy/environment/smart grid/smart building applications. In 2013. Of course there are 1000 other ways for IGC to dive in to this space. But as I'll be doing what I'm doing anyway...it is easy for IGC consensus output, if any is created in this space, to get folded into new open specifications. Which can all come with Internet governance principles and processes embedded that even Parminder might approve. Since he has co-authored some, and can co-write more if he wishes ; ) For right now, if this strikes any IGCers interest, just go to http://wigit.ischool.syr.edu and check out the WiGiT v0.1 open specs and use cases there. V0.2 should be up by end of month, which syncs with enterprise cloud and mobile apps. Under research, go to publications, and there are some papers related to this too. IF IGC wants to co-lead v0.3, or 0.4, the virtual door is open. Lee PS: FYI, we are having serious discussion on not just 'reducing' emissions but in time capturing lots of bad things before they ever get in the air and converting to energy thereby - reversing - some processes which create greenhouse gases. Meaning we want not to just reduce but begin to heal the planet; aided in part by those WiGiT open specs. By then though we might be all the way to v1.0 : ) ________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of John Curran [jcurran at istaff.org] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:03 PM To: michael gurstein Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? I would recommend reading Greenpeace's study in this area for an understanding of the efforts currently being made by some of the leading industry players in this space: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/publications/Campaign-reports/Climate-Reports/How-Clean-is-Your-Cloud/ There is significant attention to this problem in the Internet data center industry, even to the point of sharing of best practices and increasing level of visibility into the power utilization, sourcing, and efficiency of these facilities. It would be interesting to hear from those involved in this space regarding what, if anything, could be done to allow further improvements in efficiency and emissions. FYI, /John Disclaimers: My views alone. 100% post-consumer electrons used in this email. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From apisan at unam.mx Sun Jan 6 22:53:02 2013 From: apisan at unam.mx (Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 03:53:02 +0000 Subject: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications In-Reply-To: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A1F81@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <139701cdec4b$012dbf10$03893d30$@gmail.com>,,<77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B1A1F81@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <6DCAB3E586E6A34FB17223DF8D8F0D3D5DBF737A@W8-EXMB-DP.unam.local> Hi, I'd go back and ask Michael Gurstein if 2% (or 0.2% or 20%) of global damage by IT or the Internet is good or bad, or is there a set level that would be satisfactory, a goal that can be proposed, discussed, and agreed upon. What level of global CO2 emissions would have been deemed acceptable when the automobile industry started? It multiplied infinitely (from zero) the first time an internal-combusion engine was fired (or a steam one, a century earlier.) Metrics are the first thing to think of... IT and the Internet contribute to, what, 13% of the US's economy? with only 2% of the emissions, and a social revolution on their back? Peter Hellmonds makes a large part of the point: we have zillions times more interactions than we would have without computers and the Internet. It is not even fair to compare videoconferencing with travel to meetings, or email/chat/IM/social media to the cost of face-to-face conversations, for one simple reason: those meetings and conversations would just not take place, or would not involve the same many people, if they had to be face-to-face. So changing the face of society forever, increasing an economy's value by more than 10%, all for a meager 2% of emissions? Pretty effective... Lee: not to detract nor distract from your work. Excellent. Yours, Alejandro Pisanty ! !! !!! !!!! NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________ Desde: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Lee W McKnight [lmcknigh at syr.edu] Enviado el: domingo, 06 de enero de 2013 21:39 Hasta: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; John Curran; michael gurstein Asunto: RE: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications Not to toot my own horn...Ok I will. First I should note in reply to John's query re who is doing things in this space, that SU WiGiT Lab is a member of the 'Enterprise Cloud Leadership Council' of the TM Forum, whose Frameworx industry standards are used by ~1000 of the top IT/telecom players globally. We were just presenting last month with other ECLC members on 'Workplace as a Service' on cloud ie data center to mobile applications at an industry conference. There are a few other universities in ECLC but mainly it is big banks like Commonwealth Bank of Australia, UBS, Bank of America, and usual suspect IT/telecoms players like China Mobile, Cisco, Microsoft, EMC/VMware. (Syracuse University's Green Data Center claimed to be cleanest/greenest when built a few years back, but by now maybe others hold that title.) Reason I mention all this is the ECLC's 'Workplace as a Service' will be designed to stretch to edge devices and resources, utilizing edgeware, a new class of software which among other things can be optimized for minimal energy use by the user - whether by her device, the network, the application, the data center/cloud, or any combination thereof. The reason my students and I are engaged is because of our ten years of research on wireless grids, and my invention of edgeware. I'm presenting a tutorial tomorrow at HICSS on wireless grid ad hoc network applications, which will include discussion of a few environmental and energy applications. I argued some time back as a professor/researcher theoretically wireless grids are the cleanest/greenest/most energy efficient form of networking possible. I haven't been proven wrong yet ; ) Core argument being....if you can avoid spinning up and down servers, and can avoid uploading and downloading, then you use less energy. Right? It's kind of a -Zen- serverless and centerless network. I also note that in the WiGiT v0.2 open specs we are just wrapping up, the 10 IRPs are already embedded. Meaning we are already syncing across 80+ campuses, companies, and communities, with IGC and global CS values, to the extent an underfunded NSF Partnership for Innovation project can. v0.3 will be optimized for energy/environment/smart grid/smart building applications. In 2013. Of course there are 1000 other ways for IGC to dive in to this space. But as I'll be doing what I'm doing anyway...it is easy for IGC consensus output, if any is created in this space, to get folded into new open specifications. Which can all come with Internet governance principles and processes embedded that even Parminder might approve. Since he has co-authored some, and can co-write more if he wishes ; ) For right now, if this strikes any IGCers interest, just go to http://wigit.ischool.syr.edu and check out the WiGiT v0.1 open specs and use cases there. V0.2 should be up by end of month, which syncs with enterprise cloud and mobile apps. Under research, go to publications, and there are some papers related to this too. IF IGC wants to co-lead v0.3, or 0.4, the virtual door is open. Lee PS: FYI, we are having serious discussion on not just 'reducing' emissions but in time capturing lots of bad things before they ever get in the air and converting to energy thereby - reversing - some processes which create greenhouse gases. Meaning we want not to just reduce but begin to heal the planet; aided in part by those WiGiT open specs. By then though we might be all the way to v1.0 : ) ________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of John Curran [jcurran at istaff.org] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:03 PM To: michael gurstein Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Toward Reducing the Greenhouse Gas Emissions of the Internet and Telecommunications On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:18 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > According to recent calculations the Internet is the source of some 2% of global greenhouse gas emissions (and increasing quickly). Much of this comes from the vast server farms that major Internet corporations (eg. Google, Amazon etc.) have been establishing around the world. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102140452.htm > > Perhaps a topic for discussion at the next IGF? I would recommend reading Greenpeace's study in this area for an understanding of the efforts currently being made by some of the leading industry players in this space: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/publications/Campaign-reports/Climate-Reports/How-Clean-is-Your-Cloud/ There is significant attention to this problem in the Internet data center industry, even to the point of sharing of best practices and increasing level of visibility into the power utilization, sourcing, and efficiency of these facilities. It would be interesting to hear from those involved in this space regarding what, if anything, could be done to allow further improvements in efficiency and emissions. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Guru at ITforChange.net Mon Jan 7 00:29:20 2013 From: Guru at ITforChange.net (=?UTF-8?B?R3VydSDgpJfgpYHgpLDgpYE=?=) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:59:20 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> Message-ID: <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com > and other google search results, instead of > Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about > google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have > actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? > Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements > from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or having any role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality distortion' ....by offering different people different views on the same keyword search. See attached aticle (the web link is not available anymore) Guru > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where > google got spanked by the FTC. > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is > worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how > google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > --srs (iPad) > > On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" > wrote: > >> Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… >> >> To put that in English… >> >> /I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google >> for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues >> concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much >> more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain >> things, than on what we can say or not say…/ >> >> // >> >> /M/ >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4. 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If 4 or more other IGC members counter-sign this message, perhaps with a +1, we request that the appeals team review this decision by the coordinator - as defined under the charter rules. avri ----- Reply message ----- From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Ian Peter" Cc: "Adam Peake" , Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 19:54 Dear All, Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for less than 12 months. In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The election candidates will include an additional question about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. Kind Regards, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but > above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co > ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months > old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated > effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us > know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that > might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even > with the path of least resistance. > > Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate > of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't > know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder > groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved > cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss > of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an > opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger > group of nominees might be praxctical. > > Ian Peter > > -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 > > > Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with > rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) > > How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to > submit 6 names for the deadline? > > The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope > they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Jan 7 00:35:17 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:05:17 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: <191c01cdec98$c898be90$59ca3bb0$@hserus.net> It is built from your browsing history and you can definitely opt out of it. As for the personalized search, is this supposed to be changing the actual news items, rather than showing one article in preference to another article, and various other articles below it .. and even more when you keep clicking? I’m not particularly interested in what moveon.org has to say, to be honest. My previous interactions with them have not left me with a very good impression. (google suresh Ramasubramanian + moveon.org for some 8..9 year old history on IP / politechbot) suresh From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Guru ???? Sent: 07 January 2013 10:59 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or having any role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality distortion' ....by offering different people different views on the same keyword search. See attached aticle (the web link is not available anymore) Guru And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. Can we please 1. Have a reality check here 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance --srs (iPad) On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" > wrote: Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… To put that in English… I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say… M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Mon Jan 7 01:08:34 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 01:08:34 -0500 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> Message-ID: <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: > Hi Avri, > > Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of > the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or > not. > > Thank you, > > Adam the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: > Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just make the last nomcom do it" We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the year, but we did nothing about it. We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late getting ourselves into gear. This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with further last minute ad-hoc process. If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. And that is no way to participate in the IGF. In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the IGC request a review, they get one. avri BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was never dealt with by our co-coordinators. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon Jan 7 01:13:51 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:13:51 +0800 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> Message-ID: <50EA679F.9040000@ciroap.org> On 07/01/13 14:08, Avri Doria wrote: > BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was never dealt with by our co-coordinators. The proposals that we came up with for amendment of the Charter, in part to address your concerns, are still on the table: http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Charter_Amendment_-_Nomcom But, as you say, there was not exactly a groundswell of interest from the members, nor was it pushed very hard by anyone. 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URL for Eli Pariser's TED Talk the article mentions is (can download.) There's an option to hide personal results on the search toolbar and I believe you can stop personalized search by either not using or logging out from any active Google account (not that many of us bother, but that's the problem with convenience.) Is interesting to see if you get different results using different browsers. A bit related: Which Websites Are Sharing Your Personal Details? From the Wall Street Journal, which itself is one of the worst of the group, and it's a pay site, so they take your money and your data (value) about methodology And from the Economist "The new politics of the Internet: Everything is connected" Adam On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Guru गुरु wrote: > > > On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google > search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every > article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in > church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually > hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for > "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming > the decision etc. > > > Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or having any > role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality distortion' ....by > offering different people different views on the same keyword search. > > See attached aticle (the web link is not available anymore) > > Guru > > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google > got spanked by the FTC. > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# > is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how > google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > --srs (iPad) > > On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" wrote: > > Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… > > > > To put that in English… > > > > I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for > possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning > "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts > on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can > say or not say… > > > > M > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Mon Jan 7 03:24:28 2013 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 09:24:28 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 References: <36613454AE654EB9A07DF9DB0126E547@Toshiba> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331419@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> I support to use the existing NomCom wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Gesendet: Mo 07.01.2013 01:54 An: Ian Peter Cc: Adam Peake; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Betreff: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 Dear All, Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for less than 12 months. In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The election candidates will include an additional question about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. Kind Regards, On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even with the path of least resistance. Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger group of nominees might be praxctical. Ian Peter -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to submit 6 names for the deadline? The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in addition to the names the NomCom comes up with now, might be good to suggest that the 2012 batch also remain. Adam On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: Dear All, I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of nominees that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios separately as well. The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important that we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the Independent Non Voting Chair for this. You will all be informed of developments soon. Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Mon Jan 7 03:54:29 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:24:29 +0530 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> Message-ID: <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: > >> Hi Avri, >> >> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of >> the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or >> not. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Adam > the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: > >> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. > The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just make the last nomcom do it" I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition is also not met. I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build precedents that can be mis used in the future.... Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please elaborate. parminder > We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. > > We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the year, but we did nothing about it. > > We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late getting ourselves into gear. > > This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with further last minute ad-hoc process. > > If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. > And that is no way to participate in the IGF. > > In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the IGC request a review, they get one. > > avri > > BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was never dealt with by our co-coordinators. > > > avri > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Mon Jan 7 05:41:58 2013 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:41:58 +0900 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of responsibility for some issues in this thread. I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in theory is for 2012, and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team was late and only seated in late July last year. So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for another 6 months should the list, and the Team members agree with. Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for the Appeals Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the Coordinator's decision is abuse and in violation of the Charter. We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand fixing these issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the appeal process for abuse when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. best, izumi 2013/1/7 parminder : > > On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: >> >>> Hi Avri, >>> >>> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of >>> the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or >>> not. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Adam >> >> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: >> >>> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >>> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several >>> different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened >>> time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the >>> co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several >>> functions. >> >> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir >> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we >> knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just >> make the last nomcom do it" > > > I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of > their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple > nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be > selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is > made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition > is also not met. > > I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have > not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or > an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... > > The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom > worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it > can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one > or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build > precedents that can be mis used in the future.... > > Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in > the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please > elaborate. > > parminder > > > > >> We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom >> per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now >> on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. >> >> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the >> year, but we did nothing about it. >> >> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing >> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late >> getting ourselves into gear. >> >> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute >> urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded >> nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names >> than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with >> further last minute ad-hoc process. >> >> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as >> ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. >> And that is no way to participate in the IGF. >> >> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the >> IGC request a review, they get one. >> >> avri >> >> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I >> am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case >> the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was >> never dealt with by our co-coordinators. >> >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Mon Jan 7 05:53:06 2013 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:53:06 +0900 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While creating a well-coordinated process with other like-minded CS groups for MAG nomination might be the ideal solution, I would not push for this at the moment. Even within IGC, there are very diverse views and positions on several issues. I don't think that is our weakness, per se, but rather, could be a strength. I don't think making a single voice to represent the whole CS by IGC is, at this stage, ready and well accepted by other CS groups. izumi 2013/1/7 Suresh Ramasubramanian : > Wouldn't that argue that we certainly don't represent all of civil society? > There obviously will always be organizations or people who, while not full > time engaged in tracking igov, may respond to significant events such as MAG > nominations. > > --srs (htc one x) > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Thomas Lowenhaupt" > To: , "Robert Guerra" > > Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 > Date: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:20 AM > > > +1 especially to the suggestion > >> civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list >> of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the impact >> of the IGC on the decision making process > > As the "fill-in" chair of last year's MAG nomcom, I was quite > disappointed to learn that ours was just one of the lists from civil > society that was submitted to the MAG. I would not advocate for the > creation of an official list by a MAG designated body (a channel for > self nominations by outsiders is helpful), but submissions from a > scattering of civil society sources puts too much power in the hands of > MAG central to pick and choose. A submission by a civil society "joint- > board" seems worth considering. > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > > On 1/5/2013 11:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >> My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: >> >> - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. >> gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - >> thanks! >> - The IGC needs to setup a transparent, open and inclusive process >> that builds on lessons learned. >> - If possible, civil society should coordinate among itself and send a >> single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, >> lessen the impact of the IGC on the decision making process >> >> regards >> >> Robert >> >> >> On 2013-01-04, at 10:47 PM, parminder wrote: >> >>> >>> IGC may want to do something about this.... parminder >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 >>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:03:57 +0100 >>> From: Chengetai Masango >>> To: igf Forum >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Happy New year to you all. I hope you had a restful holiday season. >>> It was a pleasure working with you all in 2012 and look forward to >>> continuing to do so in 2013. >>> >>> Please find below a message from Under-Secretary-General Mr. Wu >>> Hongbo concerning the MAG renewal. It is posted on the IGF website >>> and I would be grateful if you could distribute it among your >>> respective stakeholder groups. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Chengetai >>> >>> _________________________________ >>> >>> >>> The Internet Governance Forum's Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group >>> (MAG) has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual >>> IGF meetings. >>> >>> We would like to express our gratitude to all past and present >>> members of MAG who have donated their time, effort and valuable >>> guidance in ensuring the smooth running of the IGF. >>> >>> On behalf of the United Nations Secretary-General, the Department of >>> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA) requests nominations from all >>> stakeholder groups, according to the established principles and >>> practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members. >>> Governments, the private sector, civil society, and technical >>> communities should submit names of candidates from developed and >>> developing countries as well as from economies in transition. >>> Successful nominees will become part of MAG for a period of one year >>> and will contribute to the multi-stakeholder consultation process, >>> bringing the perspectives of their respective groups on Internet >>> governance. Group nominees should be members who have actively >>> participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past. As in >>> previous years, stakeholder groups can resubmit the names of current >>> MAG members for re-election and are expected to publicize the >>> selection and nomination process. >>> >>> Please submit the names of nominees to the IGF Secretariat by *20 >>> January 2013* via email:magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org >>> , using the attached >>> submission template. The aim is to rotate one third of MAG members. >>> >>> Selection and Operation Principles: >>> >>> (i) MAG members are selected to achieve a balance among all >>> stakeholder groups, while retaining regional and gender >>> representation, according to established procedures; >>> >>> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity but are >>> expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder >>> groups; >>> >>> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and >>> main themes of the next meeting of the IGF; >>> >>> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in >>> Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting. They >>> should participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the >>> year, through engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among >>> MAG members; >>> >>> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations. >>> >>> Thank you and I look forward to the continued success of the Internet >>> Governance Forum. >>> >>> >>> (Signed) >>> Wu Hongbo >>> Under-Secretary-General >>> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Part.txt>____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Mon Jan 7 06:21:39 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 09:21:39 -0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <50EAAFC3.2090508@cafonso.ca> On 01/05/2013 02:04 PM, Robert Guerra wrote: > My quick thoughts, in no particular order, on this are as follows: > > - Do we know the details of the persons rotating off the MAG (ie. gender, Stakeholder groups & regions) If so, can someone share that - thanks! Details of the current MAG members is here: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- Of course no one knows at this point who will "rotate off". --c.a. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From vanda at uol.com.br Mon Jan 7 08:34:40 2013 From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda UOL) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:34:40 -0200 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331419@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <36613454AE654EB9A07DF9DB0126E547@Toshiba> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331419@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <7624D475-F8AF-47C0-9E16-E3AA34D1BC40@uol.com.br> totally agree. use the group is already working together will bring certainly more effective results than start with a new one. at ICANN we change the NomCOM each year and have been chair of the gout once, and participated in another years, I can see the benefit having a more tuned team!. best year to all Vanda Scartezini On 07/01/2013, at 06:24, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > I support to use the existing NomCom > > wolfgang > > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Gesendet: Mo 07.01.2013 01:54 > An: Ian Peter > Cc: Adam Peake; governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Betreff: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 > > > Dear All, > > Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for less than 12 months. > > In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The election candidates will include an additional question about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > > > I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even with the path of least resistance. > > Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger group of nominees might be praxctical. > > Ian Peter > > -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 > > > Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with > rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) > > How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to > submit 6 names for the deadline? > > The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope > they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in > addition to the names the NomCom comes up with now, might be good to > suggest that the 2012 batch also remain. > > Adam > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of nominees > that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and > additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for > MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios > separately as well. > > The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important that > we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the Independent > Non Voting Chair for this. > > You will all be informed of developments soon. > > Kind Regards, > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Mon Jan 7 08:53:47 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:53:47 -0500 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi, If 4 voting members appeal to the team, it is ok to appeal. I think that having a single coordinator is no reason either way. If members think the rules are being abused and that the members are being ignored, they should appeal. I am trying to appeal I understand that you don't agree, and it looks like very few people do, so it may be a moot issues. As far as I know the appeals team serves until it is replaced. as i thought the co-co's did. Remind me again, why did you step down before you had been replaced? avri On 7 Jan 2013, at 05:41, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of > responsibility > for some issues in this thread. > > I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in > theory is for 2012, > and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team > was late and only seated in late July last year. > > So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for > another 6 months > should the list, and the Team members agree with. > > Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for > the Appeals > Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination > would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the > Coordinator's decision > is abuse and in violation of the Charter. > > We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand > fixing these > issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the > appeal process for abuse > when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. > > My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the > Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. > > best, > > izumi > > > 2013/1/7 parminder : >> >> On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Avri, >>>> >>>> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of >>>> the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or >>>> not. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Adam >>> >>> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: >>> >>>> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >>>> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several >>>> different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened >>>> time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the >>>> co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several >>>> functions. >>> >>> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir >>> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we >>> knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just >>> make the last nomcom do it" >> >> >> I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of >> their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple >> nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be >> selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is >> made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition >> is also not met. >> >> I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have >> not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or >> an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... >> >> The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom >> worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it >> can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one >> or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build >> precedents that can be mis used in the future.... >> >> Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in >> the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please >> elaborate. >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >>> We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom >>> per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now >>> on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. >>> >>> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the >>> year, but we did nothing about it. >>> >>> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing >>> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late >>> getting ourselves into gear. >>> >>> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute >>> urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded >>> nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names >>> than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with >>> further last minute ad-hoc process. >>> >>> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as >>> ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. >>> And that is no way to participate in the IGF. >>> >>> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the >>> IGC request a review, they get one. >>> >>> avri >>> >>> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I >>> am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case >>> the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was >>> never dealt with by our co-coordinators. >>> >>> >>> avri >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- >>> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 09:19:41 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:19:41 -0800 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <161901cdece2$197c1a20$4c744e60$@gmail.com> +1 M -----Original Message----- From: izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:42 AM To: governance; parminder Subject: Re: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of responsibility for some issues in this thread. I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in theory is for 2012, and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team was late and only seated in late July last year. So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for another 6 months should the list, and the Team members agree with. Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for the Appeals Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the Coordinator's decision is abuse and in violation of the Charter. We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand fixing these issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the appeal process for abuse when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. best, izumi 2013/1/7 parminder : > > On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: >> >>> Hi Avri, >>> >>> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master >>> of the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before >>> +1'ing or not. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Adam >> >> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: >> >>> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >>> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where >>> several different nominating committees would need to be completed >>> in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating >>> committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating >>> committee to fill several functions. >> >> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir >> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh >> my, we knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to >> it, so lets just make the last nomcom do it" > > > I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition > of their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for > multiple nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom > will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after > the decision is made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its > work, this condition is also not met. > > I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you > have not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new > nomcom out or an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... > > The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier > noncom worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at > some time it can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to > continue with one or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, > it is best not to build precedents that can be mis used in the future.... > > Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included > in the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you > please elaborate. > > parminder > > > > >> We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a >> nomcom per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. >> To do so now on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. >> >> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of >> the year, but we did nothing about it. >> >> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing >> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are >> very late getting ourselves into gear. >> >> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last >> minute urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to >> reactivate a disbanded nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. >> Better we miss submitting names than that we bless this current >> regime of neglect by our coordinators with further last minute ad-hoc process. >> >> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much >> as ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. >> And that is no way to participate in the IGF. >> >> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of >> the IGC request a review, they get one. >> >> avri >> >> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure >> whether I am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers >> - just in case the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. >> Another issues that was never dealt with by our co-coordinators. >> >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From garth.graham at telus.net Mon Jan 7 10:04:47 2013 From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 07:04:47 -0800 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] MAG Renewal for 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <615CEC72-9D20-4D9A-9868-24CBADABE710@telus.net> That's very wise advice. GG On 2013-01-07, at 2:53 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > While creating a well-coordinated process with other like-minded CS groups for > MAG nomination might be the ideal solution, I would not push for this > at the moment. > > Even within IGC, there are very diverse views and positions on several issues. > I don't think that is our weakness, per se, but rather, could be a strength. > > I don't think making a single voice to represent the whole CS by IGC > is, at this stage, > ready and well accepted by other CS groups. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Mon Jan 7 11:34:55 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 11:34:55 -0500 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <7624D475-F8AF-47C0-9E16-E3AA34D1BC40@uol.com.br> References: <36613454AE654EB9A07DF9DB0126E547@Toshiba> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801331419@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <7624D475-F8AF-47C0-9E16-E3AA34D1BC40@uol.com.br> Message-ID: Hi, That may well be. So why didn't we change the charter half a year ago when people suggested the same thing? Doing it ad-hoc at the moment is what I object to and find to be an abuse. avri On 7 Jan 2013, at 08:34, Vanda UOL wrote: > totally agree. use the group is already working together will bring certainly more effective results than start with a new one. at ICANN we change the NomCOM each year and have been chair of the gout once, and participated in another years, I can see the benefit having a more tuned team!. > best year to all > Vanda Scartezini > On 07/01/2013, at 06:24, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > >> I support to use the existing NomCom >> >> wolfgang >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Gesendet: Mo 07.01.2013 01:54 >> An: Ian Peter >> Cc: Adam Peake; governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Betreff: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for less than 12 months. >> >> In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The election candidates will include an additional question about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >> >> >> I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even with the path of least resistance. >> >> Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger group of nominees might be praxctical. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake >> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 >> >> >> Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with >> rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) >> >> How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to >> submit 6 names for the deadline? >> >> The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope >> they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in >> addition to the names the NomCom comes up with now, might be good to >> suggest that the 2012 batch also remain. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> > wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of nominees >> that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and >> additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations for >> MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief bios >> separately as well. >> >> The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important that >> we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the Independent >> Non Voting Chair for this. >> >> You will all be informed of developments soon. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Mon Jan 7 12:15:36 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:15:36 -0500 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: <50E9D58B.6080602@communisphere.com> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> <50E9D58B.6080602@communisphere.com> Message-ID: <50EB02B8.6020808@communisphere.com> IGC List, Over the past few days several suggestions have been made that a new approach be taken by civil society toward MAG membership nominations. Robert Guerra initiated the idea, and the undersigned +1'd it adding that a "joint-board" might be a viable mechanism for implementation. Some responded as if the suggestion was that IGC oversee this joint-board. It was not my intention that this entity be overseen or controlled by the IGC. Rather, I imagined IGC as one member of the joint-board. Avri added that Diplo "had the most rigorous process" and named APC as a third organization that submitted names to MAG last year. While a list compiled by a joint-board would initially be considered "just a suggestion" to DESA, its timely formulation under a rigorous process might one day raise its status to that of a "good suggestion" or better. Over time, if such a joint-board's processes are looked upon favorably by MAG and civil society, perhaps such a joint-board could become a key clearinghouse for qualified civil society nominees. (Note: I suspect (hope) the MAG nomination process would remain open to names submitted by individuals and other organizations.) Creating such an entity will require some reflection and we are faced with a 14 day deadline for submitting names to MAG. Last year's IGC MAG selection process was less than smooth and we ended up submitting a list and endorsing the APC submissions (if I recall properly). Already 2 members of last year's NomCom have recused themselves from the proposed "extended" NomCom, and I, as the non-voting chair of that committee am not overly confident of having adequate time to add to the committee, receive nominations, and review them in two weeks. I suppose we could ask for an extension, but that highlights our predicament. Is there a mechanism for endorsing another list or lists of nominees? And what about starting on that joint-board? Best, Tom Lowenhaupt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 1/6/2013 2:50 PM, avri at acm.org wrote: Put another way, last time at least APC, Diplo, and IGC sent lists, of which I think Diplo had the most rigorous process. i am sure there were many others (anyone have a tally of how many civil society lists were submitted). I would assume that no matter how much someone tries to insist their group is the principle aggregator, others will send their own lists. On 1/6/2013 2:50 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: As the "fill-in" chair of last year's MAG nomcom, I was quite disappointed to learn that ours was just one of the lists from civil society that was submitted to the MAG. I would not advocate for the creation of an official list by a MAG designated body (a channel for self nominations by outsiders is helpful), but submissions from a scattering of civil society sources puts too much power in the hands of MAG central to pick and choose. A submission by a civil society "joint- board" seems worth considering. On 1/5/2013 11:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list > of names it "recommends" to the UN. Competing lists, lessen the impact > of the IGC on the decision making process -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 7 January 2013 22:15, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > IGC List, > > Over the past few days several suggestions have been made that a new > approach be taken by civil society toward MAG membership nominations. > Robert Guerra initiated the idea, and the undersigned +1'd it adding that a > "joint-board" might be a viable mechanism for implementation. > > Some responded as if the suggestion was that IGC oversee this joint-board. > It was not my intention that this entity be overseen or controlled by the > IGC. Rather, I imagined IGC as one member of the joint-board. > > Avri added that Diplo "had the most rigorous process" and named APC as a > third organization that submitted names to MAG last year. > > While a list compiled by a joint-board would initially be considered "just > a suggestion" to DESA, its timely formulation under a rigorous process > might one day raise its status to that of a "good suggestion" or better. > Over time, if such a joint-board's processes are looked upon favorably by > MAG and civil society, perhaps such a joint-board could become a key > clearinghouse for qualified civil society nominees. (Note: I suspect (hope) > the MAG nomination process would remain open to names submitted by > individuals and other organizations.) > > Creating such an entity will require some reflection and we are faced with > a 14 day deadline for submitting names to MAG. Last year's IGC MAG > selection process was less than smooth and we ended up submitting a list > and endorsing the APC submissions (if I recall properly). Already 2 members > of last year's NomCom have recused themselves from the proposed "extended" > NomCom, and I, as the non-voting chair of that committee am not overly > confident of having adequate time to add to the committee, receive > nominations, and review them in two weeks. I suppose we could ask for an > extension, but that highlights our predicament. > > Is there a mechanism for endorsing another list or lists of nominees? And > what about starting on that joint-board? > > Best, > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > ------------------------------ > On 1/6/2013 2:50 PM, avri at acm.org wrote: > > Put another way, last time at least APC, Diplo, and IGC sent lists, of which I think Diplo had the most rigorous process. i am sure there were many others (anyone have a tally of how many civil society lists were submitted). I would assume that no matter how much someone tries to insist their group is the principle aggregator, others will send their own lists. > > On 1/6/2013 2:50 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > > As the "fill-in" chair of last year's MAG nomcom, I was quite disappointed > to learn that ours was just one of the lists from civil society that was > submitted to the MAG. I would not advocate for the creation of an official > list by a MAG designated body (a channel for self nominations by outsiders > is helpful), but submissions from a scattering of civil society sources > puts too much power in the hands of MAG central to pick and choose. A > submission by a civil society "joint- board" seems worth considering. > > On 1/5/2013 11:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > > civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list of > names it "recommends" to the UN. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon Jan 7 14:22:18 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:22:18 +0100 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <2B5CB958-2BBA-4E4D-A916-74BA59ED1ED5@acm.org> References: <50E8F894.8070601@itforchange.net> <2B5CB958-2BBA-4E4D-A916-74BA59ED1ED5@acm.org> Message-ID: <20130107202218.2ad09da2@quill.bollow.ch> +1 Greetings, Norbert Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > While I am uncomfortable with using the old set of volunteers, I > accept that posting list and of giving people time to opt out, or in > for that matter. > > I agree with Parminder that using the same nomcom is a bad idea. Had > we carried through with the suggestions to setup a nomcom for a > year's worth of tasks, we might have been able to do that. But I > take the inaction along this front as an indication of IGC not having > support for doing this. > > avri > > On 5 Jan 2013, at 23:07, parminder wrote: > > > > > On Sunday 06 January 2013 09:14 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > wrote: > >> Dear All, > >> > >> I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of > >> nominees that come in. > > > > Disclaimer first: I dont remember who the members of the last non > > com were, or even what was it constituted for. Neither do I have > > any interest in the outcome of the MAG nomination process.... > > > > This said, I much prefer we repeat the list of volunteers rather > > than repeat a nomcom. It take a few minutes to random pick a nomcom > > from a list of volunteers and so the time taken for the two > > processes is almost the same. But we have better randomness in > > getting a new slate every time, which is a key objective of nomcom > > selection. > > > > parminder > > > > > >> The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and > >> additional questions will be put forward to in relation to > >> nominations for MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be > >> asked to submit brief bios separately as well. > >> > >> The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is > >> important that we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet > >> to select the Independent Non Voting Chair for this. > >> > >> You will all be informed of developments soon. > >> > >> Kind Regards, > >> > >> -- > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >> P.O. Box 17862 > >> Suva > >> Fiji > >> > >> Twitter: @SalanietaT > >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >> Tel: +679 3544828 > >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > >> > >> > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Mon Jan 7 14:23:53 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:23:53 -0500 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: <50EB02B8.6020808@communisphere.com> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> <50E9D58B.6080602@communisphere.com> <50EB02B8.6020808@communisphere.com> Message-ID: On 7 Jan 2013, at 12:15, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > Is there a mechanism for endorsing another list or lists of nominees? And what about starting on that joint-board? Well. While the charter says: " All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " and while the process for how a proper nomcom is done is also defined in One can question whether endorsing a list produced by some other means is a Nomination to the IGF MAG. If it is isn't then I would think the normal list consensus process would be within charter. On the joint-board issue, that is an interesting idea and worth discussing with the participants of other Civil society recommendation producers. I think that originally the IGC tried to be that aggregator, but I agree, it is obviously no longer is, if it ever was. cheers avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Mon Jan 7 14:45:13 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:45:13 +0100 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> <50E9D58B.6080602@communisphere.com> <50EB02B8.6020808@communisphere.com> Message-ID: <20130107204513.4421997d@quill.bollow.ch> In any case, if there is going to be a list of nominees from the IGC for this round of MAG appointments, according to our present charter and also for practical reasons of shortness of time it will need to be done by a nomcom (for which at least the process is well-understood) rather than by some "joint-board" process (which even if everyone wanted it would still need to be defined precisely, and at least I would be very reluctant to endorse the idea before having specific information on how it would work). Greetings, Norbert Avri Doria wrote: > On 7 Jan 2013, at 12:15, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > > > Is there a mechanism for endorsing another list or lists of > > nominees? And what about starting on that joint-board? > > Well. > > While the charter says: > > " > All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process > as defined here. " > > and while the process for how a proper nomcom is done is also defined > in > > One can question whether endorsing a list produced by some other > means is a Nomination to the IGF MAG. > > If it is isn't then I would think the normal list consensus process > would be within charter. > > On the joint-board issue, that is an interesting idea and worth > discussing with the participants of other Civil society > recommendation producers. I think that originally the IGC tried to > be that aggregator, but I agree, it is obviously no longer is, if it > ever was. > > > cheers > avri > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Mon Jan 7 15:13:15 2013 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:13:15 +0000 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Pariser's "filter bubble" thesis has very little scientific grounding. It is one of those things that has acquired credibility primarily through repetition, and the fact that some people always badly want to believe that "the media" are manipulating us. I recall seeing him on a television program when his claim was put to the test and they conducted searches using two different accounts and got virtually the same results. He was embarrassed. On the other hand, I was quite grateful this morning when using a generic professional term to search for an office and discovering that the search had been limited to Syracuse area. Guru, if you get badly personalized results from Google without asking for it, what is to stop you from not using Google? From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Guru ???? Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:29 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or having any role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality distortion' ....by offering different people different views on the same keyword search. See attached aticle (the web link is not available anymore) Guru And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. Can we please 1. Have a reality check here 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance --srs (iPad) On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" > wrote: Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… To put that in English… I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say… M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Mon Jan 7 15:19:44 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:19:44 -0500 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: <20130107204513.4421997d@quill.bollow.ch> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> <50E9D58B.6080602@communisphere.com> <50EB02B8.6020808@communisphere.com> <20130107204513.4421997d@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <50EB2DE0.6080402@communisphere.com> Norbert, I agree that the joint-board concept is not appropriate for now. Considering the timing - 14 days, it is massively impractical. That leaves these options: 1. Create a new NomCom. 2. Refurbish the old NomCom. 3. Use the normal "list consensus" process (see Avri below) 4. Do nothing. 5. An as yet unspecified option. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/7/2013 2:45 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > In any case, if there is going to be a list of nominees from the IGC > for this round of MAG appointments, according to our present charter > and also for practical reasons of shortness of time it will need to be > done by a nomcom (for which at least the process is well-understood) > rather than by some "joint-board" process (which even if everyone > wanted it would still need to be defined precisely, and at least I > would be very reluctant to endorse the idea before having specific > information on how it would work). > > Greetings, > Norbert > > Avri Doria wrote: > >> On 7 Jan 2013, at 12:15, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: >> >>> Is there a mechanism for endorsing another list or lists of >>> nominees? And what about starting on that joint-board? >> Well. >> >> While the charter says: >> >> " >> All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder >> advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process >> as defined here. " >> >> and while the process for how a proper nomcom is done is also defined >> in >> >> One can question whether endorsing a list produced by some other >> means is a Nomination to the IGF MAG. >> >> If it is isn't then I would think the normal list consensus process >> would be within charter. >> >> On the joint-board issue, that is an interesting idea and worth >> discussing with the participants of other Civil society >> recommendation producers. I think that originally the IGC tried to >> be that aggregator, but I agree, it is obviously no longer is, if it >> ever was. >> >> >> cheers >> avri >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But a joint board would have to be for another year, if ever. From: Thomas Lowenhaupt Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:15 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: Robert Guerra ; Avri Doria Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board IGC List, Over the past few days several suggestions have been made that a new approach be taken by civil society toward MAG membership nominations. Robert Guerra initiated the idea, and the undersigned +1'd it adding that a "joint-board" might be a viable mechanism for implementation. Some responded as if the suggestion was that IGC oversee this joint-board. It was not my intention that this entity be overseen or controlled by the IGC. Rather, I imagined IGC as one member of the joint-board. Avri added that Diplo "had the most rigorous process" and named APC as a third organization that submitted names to MAG last year. While a list compiled by a joint-board would initially be considered "just a suggestion" to DESA, its timely formulation under a rigorous process might one day raise its status to that of a "good suggestion" or better. Over time, if such a joint-board's processes are looked upon favorably by MAG and civil society, perhaps such a joint-board could become a key clearinghouse for qualified civil society nominees. (Note: I suspect (hope) the MAG nomination process would remain open to names submitted by individuals and other organizations.) Creating such an entity will require some reflection and we are faced with a 14 day deadline for submitting names to MAG. Last year's IGC MAG selection process was less than smooth and we ended up submitting a list and endorsing the APC submissions (if I recall properly). Already 2 members of last year's NomCom have recused themselves from the proposed "extended" NomCom, and I, as the non-voting chair of that committee am not overly confident of having adequate time to add to the committee, receive nominations, and review them in two weeks. I suppose we could ask for an extension, but that highlights our predicament. Is there a mechanism for endorsing another list or lists of nominees? And what about starting on that joint-board? Best, Tom Lowenhaupt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 1/6/2013 2:50 PM, avri at acm.org wrote: Put another way, last time at least APC, Diplo, and IGC sent lists, of which I think Diplo had the most rigorous process. i am sure there were many others (anyone have a tally of how many civil society lists were submitted). I would assume that no matter how much someone tries to insist their group is the principle aggregator, others will send their own lists. On 1/6/2013 2:50 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: As the "fill-in" chair of last year's MAG nomcom, I was quite disappointed to learn that ours was just one of the lists from civil society that was submitted to the MAG. I would not advocate for the creation of an official list by a MAG designated body (a channel for self nominations by outsiders is helpful), but submissions from a scattering of civil society sources puts too much power in the hands of MAG central to pick and choose. A submission by a civil society "joint- board" seems worth considering. On 1/5/2013 11:04 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: civil society should coordinate among itself and send a single list of names it "recommends" to the UN. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Jan 7 15:32:00 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:32:00 +1100 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: <50EB2DE0.6080402@communisphere.com> References: <78980604-5E4E-44A0-A235-4BAA721DA4D3@unog.ch> <50E7A23D.6050801@itforchange.net> <1F1DEE75-CCC8-4547-8CAB-8394876C7B4D@privaterra.org> <50E9D58B.6080602@communisphere.com> <50EB02B8.6020808@communisphere.com> <20130107204513.4421997d@quill.bollow.ch> <50EB2DE0.6080402@communisphere.com> Message-ID: On the nominations question below – I think it has to be one or the other of the Nomcom processes, and that decision is for the Coordinator(s) (subject of course to normal appeal processes if there is support to activate these) From: Thomas Lowenhaupt Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 7:19 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Norbert Bollow Cc: Avri Doria Subject: Re: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board Norbert, I agree that the joint-board concept is not appropriate for now. Considering the timing - 14 days, it is massively impractical. That leaves these options: 1. Create a new NomCom. 2. Refurbish the old NomCom. 3. Use the normal "list consensus" process (see Avri below) 4. Do nothing. 5. An as yet unspecified option. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/7/2013 2:45 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: In any case, if there is going to be a list of nominees from the IGC for this round of MAG appointments, according to our present charter and also for practical reasons of shortness of time it will need to be done by a nomcom (for which at least the process is well-understood) rather than by some "joint-board" process (which even if everyone wanted it would still need to be defined precisely, and at least I would be very reluctant to endorse the idea before having specific information on how it would work). Greetings, Norbert Avri Doria mailto:avri at acm.org wrote: On 7 Jan 2013, at 12:15, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: Is there a mechanism for endorsing another list or lists of nominees? And what about starting on that joint-board? Well. While the charter says: " All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " and while the process for how a proper nomcom is done is also defined in One can question whether endorsing a list produced by some other means is a Nomination to the IGF MAG. If it is isn't then I would think the normal list consensus process would be within charter. On the joint-board issue, that is an interesting idea and worth discussing with the participants of other Civil society recommendation producers. I think that originally the IGC tried to be that aggregator, but I agree, it is obviously no longer is, if it ever was. cheers avri -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 17:12:21 2013 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:12:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board Message-ID: <1357596741.90449.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web125104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dear Friends at IGC CS With reference to the discussion related to the selection of MAG, review and suggestions are as follows: MAG 2013 selection process: I would suggest the coordinators to start the collection of Nominations with them. I would suggest that list of IGC Nomination should not be limited to the number of But we should nominate few members from each of the stakeholder groups: Governments, The Private Sector, Civil Society, and Technical Community And to cover the 5 Regions for each group (to have a balance among all stakeholder groups), while retaining regional and gender representation, For this purpose, our list must be large enough for the secondary selection. Nomcom: According to the objection by Avri, the Nomcom has to be revised. She knocked at the door of Appeal Team, but according to coordinators Appeal Team also have to be revised. Nomcom Chair has also be revised. Well, I have two questions: 1. in this situation what is the validity of the Nomination and if any objection arises on the selection, what will be the Appeal Team? 2. Do we have sufficient time to Call for Volunteers, select them for new NomCom & Appeal Team, and then nomcom start selection of Nomination List, reviewed it by Chair, endorse it by members and if no objection is filed, submit to UN-DESA? No, I do not think so, either we have to skip the nomination for MAG 2013 or have to re-validate the current NomCom. Joint-Board: As I remember IGC NomCom & Coordinators did not endorsed APC list last year for MAG 2012, and perhaps same case for this year because the NomCom select the Internal IGC Nominations. IGC CS has the membership of individuals or representatives of other CS or Multi Stakeholder Groups, but do not have the mechanism of membership of other Civil Societies or organisations. So, NomCom may not be able to prepare two list one from Internal Members and other one from External body. If required, the provision in the Charter will be required. However, if APC or any other CS being a member of IGC submit a list of multiple names which also belong to IGC, nomcom may have to consider in its final list of nomination. Even, if a few CS groups along with IGC makes a Joint Board, IGC might be able to provide one or two board members only. The lists of candidates will be coming from different Groups and the Joint Board will again finalise single list for UN-DESA. But what is the criteria of the selection at DESA, it is not open. All of the IGC nominees were not selected for MAG 2012, because IGC nomination list was not only list with UN-DESA. Now for 2013, they initiated open call but how they select/ choose the candidate for MAG, it is not mentioned anywhere. Yes, if the UN-DESA for a Joint-Board, an open and transparent process for the selection of MAG members, that will be a very good idea and we should support by providing our selected members for the Joint-Board. UNDESA Joint-Board will have worth as the central body to select the MAG members every year. As now, we do not know that who will Now as the time is very limited, I would request the coordinators to initiate the some quick process for finalising the nomcom+chair+appeal team. Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah for IGFPak -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Mon Jan 7 17:28:56 2013 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:28:56 -0500 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: <1357596741.90449.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web125104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1357596741.90449.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web125104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13BAA24B-75DD-48D5-8775-840DBEAE71A3@privaterra.org> Imran, Suffice it to say - I'd prefer to stay on scope and limit our MAG discussions to civil society. To not do so, is well, really outside what I - personally think - is the core focus of this list. -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org On 2013-01-07, at 5:12 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > > Dear Friends at IGC CS > With reference to the discussion related to the selection of MAG, review and suggestions are as follows: > > MAG 2013 selection process: > I would suggest the coordinators to start the collection of Nominations with them. > > I would suggest that list of IGC Nomination should not be limited to the number of > > But we should nominate few members from each of the stakeholder groups: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Jan 7 19:28:02 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 05:58:02 +0530 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: <13BAA24B-75DD-48D5-8775-840DBEAE71A3@privaterra.org> References: <1357596741.90449.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web125104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <13BAA24B-75DD-48D5-8775-840DBEAE71A3@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <77359555-89CB-4F7F-A705-A6E1D04DE9CD@hserus.net> No harm in including the technical community and academia. In fact there isn't any difference, these are civil society with distinct skills --srs (iPad) On 08-Jan-2013, at 3:58, Robert Guerra wrote: > Imran, > > Suffice it to say - I'd prefer to stay on scope and limit our MAG discussions to civil society. > > To not do so, is well, really outside what I - personally think - is the core focus of this list. > > > > -- > R. Guerra > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > On 2013-01-07, at 5:12 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > >> >> Dear Friends at IGC CS >> With reference to the discussion related to the selection of MAG, review and suggestions are as follows: >> >> MAG 2013 selection process: >> I would suggest the coordinators to start the collection of Nominations with them. >> >> I would suggest that list of IGC Nomination should not be limited to the number of >> >> But we should nominate few members from each of the stakeholder groups: > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 19:38:15 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:38:15 -0500 Subject: [governance] Civic Society Membership on MAG -Toward a Joint-Board In-Reply-To: <77359555-89CB-4F7F-A705-A6E1D04DE9CD@hserus.net> References: <1357596741.90449.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web125104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <13BAA24B-75DD-48D5-8775-840DBEAE71A3@privaterra.org> <77359555-89CB-4F7F-A705-A6E1D04DE9CD@hserus.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > No harm in including the technical community and academia. In fact there isn't any difference, these are civil society with distinct skills +1 -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Jan 7 19:47:36 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:17:36 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <99BEFE75-06CE-49AB-BD71-9FF4229A38CA@hserus.net> Well well, I agree with Milton here This fits the pattern of a typical move on campaign. Run a mailing list without bothering about best practices and land in spam filters? Simple, start a high decibel campaign claiming censorship, eavesdropping and what not. Disagree with the bush administration? Sure, we all do, but I doubt we would have the poor taste to launch full page ads like 'Petraeus Betray Us' etc. that google search 'study' or anything else they produce, has to be seen as what it is, propaganda, and taken with a truckload or two of salt. Maybe rather more salt than I would add to any paper by another civil society org whose members I keep clashing with. --srs (iPad) On 08-Jan-2013, at 1:43, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Pariser's "filter bubble" thesis has very little scientific grounding. It is one of those things that has acquired credibility primarily through repetition, and the fact that some people always badly want to believe that "the media" are manipulating us. > > I recall seeing him on a television program when his claim was put to the test and they conducted searches using two different accounts and got virtually the same results. He was embarrassed. > > CARG > > Guru, if you get badly personalized results from Google without asking for it, what is to stop you from not using Google? > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Guru ???? > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:29 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com > > > > On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. > > Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or having any role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality distortion' ....by offering different people different views on the same keyword search. > > See attached aticle (the web link is not available anymore) > > Guru > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > --srs (iPad) > > On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" wrote: > > Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… > > To put that in English… > > I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say… > > M > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Jan 7 19:48:00 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:18:00 +0530 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: <20130107202218.2ad09da2@quill.bollow.ch> References: <50E8F894.8070601@itforchange.net> <2B5CB958-2BBA-4E4D-A916-74BA59ED1ED5@acm.org> <20130107202218.2ad09da2@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <8E153D85-20F0-4D96-9AA9-4A34C401D005@hserus.net> Agree --srs (iPad) On 08-Jan-2013, at 0:52, Norbert Bollow wrote: > +1 > > Greetings, > Norbert > > Avri Doria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> While I am uncomfortable with using the old set of volunteers, I >> accept that posting list and of giving people time to opt out, or in >> for that matter. >> >> I agree with Parminder that using the same nomcom is a bad idea. Had >> we carried through with the suggestions to setup a nomcom for a >> year's worth of tasks, we might have been able to do that. But I >> take the inaction along this front as an indication of IGC not having >> support for doing this. >> >> avri >> >> On 5 Jan 2013, at 23:07, parminder wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sunday 06 January 2013 09:14 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> wrote: >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of >>>> nominees that come in. >>> >>> Disclaimer first: I dont remember who the members of the last non >>> com were, or even what was it constituted for. Neither do I have >>> any interest in the outcome of the MAG nomination process.... >>> >>> This said, I much prefer we repeat the list of volunteers rather >>> than repeat a nomcom. It take a few minutes to random pick a nomcom >>> from a list of volunteers and so the time taken for the two >>> processes is almost the same. But we have better randomness in >>> getting a new slate every time, which is a key objective of nomcom >>> selection. >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>>> The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and >>>> additional questions will be put forward to in relation to >>>> nominations for MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be >>>> asked to submit brief bios separately as well. >>>> >>>> The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is >>>> important that we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet >>>> to select the Independent Non Voting Chair for this. >>>> >>>> You will all be informed of developments soon. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>>> P.O. Box 17862 >>>> Suva >>>> Fiji >>>> >>>> Twitter: @SalanietaT >>>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> Tel: +679 3544828 >>>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 20:03:14 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:03:14 -0500 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Guru गुरु wrote: > > > > > Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or having any > role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality distortion' ....by > offering different people different views on the same keyword search. yes, by design. It's called "relevance". -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon Jan 7 21:40:35 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:40:35 +0800 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress Message-ID: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> Hello all, I've been helping Sala with the mechanics of the election. Everyone who has been subscribed to the list for at least two months should have just received a personal voting link. Please contact me if: * You have been subscribed for two months or more but didn't receive a voting link. * You received two or more voting links. * You have trouble voting, or have any other questions. Thanks. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 *Your rights, our mission -- download CI's Strategy 2015:* http://consint.info/RightsMission @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Mon Jan 7 23:45:33 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:45:33 -0500 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> Once again the ballot forces one to choose between the two candidates. After the last election we were told that there would be a NOTA or Abstain capability. Were is it? avri On 7 Jan 2013, at 21:40, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been helping Sala with the mechanics of the election. Everyone who has been subscribed to the list for at least two months should have just received a personal voting link. Please contact me if: > • You have been subscribed for two months or more but didn't receive a voting link. > • You received two or more voting links. > • You have trouble voting, or have any other questions. > Thanks. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon Jan 7 23:50:05 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:50:05 +0800 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> Message-ID: <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> On 08/01/13 12:45, Avri Doria wrote: > Once again the ballot forces one to choose between the two candidates. > > After the last election we were told that there would be a NOTA or Abstain capability. > > Were is it? If you don't want to vote for either, don't vote for either. A few people have already done that and they are recorded as having partially completed the ballot by affirming their membership only. I must say I don't recall committing to add a NOTA option last year, though I may be wrong. This year it's not my call whether to do so or not, though I did run the form past Sala. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 *Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:* http://consint.info/RightsMission @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue Jan 8 00:04:19 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 00:04:19 -0500 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> Message-ID: <3B14D515-EEB8-4A57-BDC0-8CC7121346F8@acm.org> as long as it is recorded that will work. though it will mark who abstained as opposed to having it look like any other vote. in any case, it does not look like that will happen. and if NOTA, at least one should be able to abstain without having to announce to a those who count that this is what they did. avri On 7 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Avri Doria wrote: > Once again the ballot forces one to choose between the two candidates. > > After the last election we were told that there would be a NOTA or Abstain capability. > > Were is it? > > avri > > On 7 Jan 2013, at 21:40, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I've been helping Sala with the mechanics of the election. Everyone who has been subscribed to the list for at least two months should have just received a personal voting link. Please contact me if: >> • You have been subscribed for two months or more but didn't receive a voting link. >> • You received two or more voting links. >> • You have trouble voting, or have any other questions. >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Senior Policy Officer >> Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers >> Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission >> >> @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Jan 8 00:11:25 2013 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:11:25 +0900 Subject: [governance] Appeal request Re: [] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> Message-ID: 2013/1/7 Avri Doria : > If 4 voting members appeal to the team, it is ok to appeal. > I think that having a single coordinator is no reason either way. > > If members think the rules are being abused > and that the members are being ignored, > they should appeal. > I am trying to appeal I do understand that every member has the right to appeal. I am not denying that at all. But for this case, my personal opinion is that Sala's proposal of using the existing NomCom for MAG nomination is not a real "abuse". Given the situation, it is a practical option as some others already endorsed. I think we better focus on more productive and pragmatic or important issues now. I mean, reviewing the Charter is of course important, but can't we do so after we settle MAG selection thing? > > I understand that you don't agree, > and it looks like very few people do, > so it may be a moot issues. > > As far as I know the appeals team serves until it is replaced. > as i thought the co-co's did. If so, why not also NomCom? These are sort of "grey" areas that current Charter does not specifically address. > > Remind me again, > why did you step down before you had been replaced? I have two year terms, coordinator election should be done mid-summer or soon after according to Charter. I did not write "stepped down" though I have made clear my intention to step down earlier in November, and Call for new coordinator was already made. So, legally I might still be a coordinator until new one replaces me, but I thought it proper not to take any active action or role, being a lame duck and outgoing shortly. That's why I wrote "retired. I hope you could understand this and read between the lines. izumi > > avri > > On 7 Jan 2013, at 05:41, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of >> responsibility >> for some issues in this thread. >> >> I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in >> theory is for 2012, >> and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team >> was late and only seated in late July last year. >> >> So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for >> another 6 months >> should the list, and the Team members agree with. >> >> Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for >> the Appeals >> Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination >> would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the >> Coordinator's decision >> is abuse and in violation of the Charter. >> >> We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand >> fixing these >> issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the >> appeal process for abuse >> when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. >> >> My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the >> Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. >> >> best, >> >> izumi >> >> >> 2013/1/7 parminder : >>> >>> On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>> >>>> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Avri, >>>>> >>>>> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of >>>>> the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or >>>>> not. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>> >>>> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: >>>> >>>>> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >>>>> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several >>>>> different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened >>>>> time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the >>>>> co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several >>>>> functions. >>>> >>>> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir >>>> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we >>>> knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just >>>> make the last nomcom do it" >>> >>> >>> I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of >>> their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple >>> nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be >>> selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is >>> made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition >>> is also not met. >>> >>> I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have >>> not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or >>> an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... >>> >>> The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom >>> worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it >>> can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one >>> or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build >>> precedents that can be mis used in the future.... >>> >>> Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in >>> the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please >>> elaborate. >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom >>>> per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now >>>> on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. >>>> >>>> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the >>>> year, but we did nothing about it. >>>> >>>> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing >>>> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late >>>> getting ourselves into gear. >>>> >>>> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute >>>> urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded >>>> nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names >>>> than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with >>>> further last minute ad-hoc process. >>>> >>>> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as >>>> ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. >>>> And that is no way to participate in the IGF. >>>> >>>> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the >>>> IGC request a review, they get one. >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I >>>> am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case >>>> the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was >>>> never dealt with by our co-coordinators. >>>> >>>> >>>> avri >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fatimacambronero at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 00:32:16 2013 From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 02:32:16 -0300 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Dear Jeremy, 2013/1/8 Jeremy Malcolm > If you don't want to vote for either, don't vote for either. > It's not possible because if you don't choose any options the survey says: 3: *Please select one candidate for the next coordinator of the InternetGovernance Caucus. Choose one of the following answers * This question is mandatory.* * * Imran Ahmed Shah Norbert Bollow *“One or more mandatory questions have not been answered. You cannot proceed until these have been completed”* How it suppose the people have partially completed the ballot affirming their membership only? Sorry, but I don't understand. Best Regards, Fatima > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > *Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:* > http://consint.info/RightsMission > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Fatima Cambronero* Abogada-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero *Join the LACRALO/ICANN discussions:* https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es *Join the Diplo Internet Governance Community discussions:* http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ *Join to the Internet Society (ISOC): *http://www.internetsociety.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You cannot > proceed until these have been completed”* True, but it still records your incomplete submission if you exit at that point. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 *Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:* http://consint.info/RightsMission @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Tue Jan 8 01:07:36 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:07:36 -0500 Subject: [governance] The Appeals Team In-Reply-To: References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <50EBB7A8.7070702@communisphere.com> IGC List, My records indicate the current members of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus Appeals Team are: * *Ginger Paque* * *Ian Peter* * *Roland Perry* * *Shaila Rao Mistry* * *Deirdre Williams* They were appointed by the NomCom on July 24, 2012. The appointment was for one year beginning on July 24, 2012. (See copy of the NomCom report below.) Sincerely, Thomas Lowenhaupt, Chair (non-voting) 2012 Appeals Team Nominating Committee P.S. The ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The Nominating Committee's Appeals Team Selection Report Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:31:00 -0400 From: Thomas Lowenhaupt To: governance list IG Caucus CC: Asif Kabani , Hakikur Rahman , Naveed haq , Shahid Akbar , Wilson Abigaba , Jeremy Malcolm Fellow Member of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, The Appeals Team Nominating Committee is delighted to announce that the selection process for the Appeals Team has been successfully completed with the following 5 nominees receiving a majority vote from the NomCom members: * *Ginger Paque* * *Ian Peter* * *Roland Perry* * *Shaila Rao Mistry* * *Deirdre Williams* The NomCom effort began in May and included several outreach emails to the IGC list detailing the need and process for selecting an Appeals Team. As a result of this outreach effort the NomCom received 11 nominees. The Committee them confirmed with the nominees their willingness to serve. All responded positively. The 11 nominees confirming their willingness to serve were: * Ginger Paque * Gurumurthy Kasinathan * Ian Peter * Imran Ahmed Shah * Judy Okite * Michael Gurstein * Raquel Gatto * Roland Perry * Shaila Rao Mistry * Vincent Solomon Aliama * Deirdre Williams The NomCom would like to thank the nominees for stepping forward and enabling a robust review process. We also offer our thanks to Jeremy Malcolm who, having served as chair of a previous NomCom, stood by ready to provide any needed support to this committee. And we especially wish the 5 selected for the Appeals Team wisdom should their judgement be required during the term of service. Sincerely, The Appeals Team Nominating Committee, Asif Kabani Hakikur Rahman Naveed haq Shahid Akbar Wilson Abigaba Thomas Lowenhaupt (non-voting chair) On 1/8/2013 12:11 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > 2013/1/7 Avri Doria : > >> If 4 voting members appeal to the team, it is ok to appeal. >> I think that having a single coordinator is no reason either way. >> >> If members think the rules are being abused >> and that the members are being ignored, >> they should appeal. >> I am trying to appeal > I do understand that every member has the right to appeal. > I am not denying that at all. > > But for this case, my personal opinion is that Sala's > proposal of using the existing NomCom for MAG nomination > is not a real "abuse". Given the situation, it is a practical option > as some others already endorsed. > I think we better focus on more productive and pragmatic or important issues > now. I mean, reviewing the Charter is of course important, but can't > we do so after > we settle MAG selection thing? > >> I understand that you don't agree, >> and it looks like very few people do, >> so it may be a moot issues. >> >> As far as I know the appeals team serves until it is replaced. >> as i thought the co-co's did. > If so, why not also NomCom? These are sort of "grey" areas that > current Charter does not specifically address. > >> Remind me again, >> why did you step down before you had been replaced? > I have two year terms, coordinator election should be done mid-summer > or soon after according to Charter. > > I did not write "stepped down" though I have made clear my intention > to step down > earlier in November, and Call for new coordinator was already made. > > So, legally I might still be a coordinator until new one replaces me, > but I thought it > proper not to take any active action or role, being a lame duck and > outgoing shortly. > That's why I wrote "retired. I hope you could understand this and read > between the > lines. > > izumi > > >> avri >> >> On 7 Jan 2013, at 05:41, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of >>> responsibility >>> for some issues in this thread. >>> >>> I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in >>> theory is for 2012, >>> and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team >>> was late and only seated in late July last year. >>> >>> So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for >>> another 6 months >>> should the list, and the Team members agree with. >>> >>> Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for >>> the Appeals >>> Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination >>> would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the >>> Coordinator's decision >>> is abuse and in violation of the Charter. >>> >>> We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand >>> fixing these >>> issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the >>> appeal process for abuse >>> when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. >>> >>> My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the >>> Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. >>> >>> best, >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> 2013/1/7 parminder : >>>> On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Avri, >>>>>> >>>>>> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of >>>>>> the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or >>>>>> not. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam >>>>> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: >>>>> >>>>>> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >>>>>> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several >>>>>> different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened >>>>>> time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the >>>>>> co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several >>>>>> functions. >>>>> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir >>>>> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we >>>>> knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just >>>>> make the last nomcom do it" >>>> >>>> I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of >>>> their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple >>>> nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be >>>> selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is >>>> made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition >>>> is also not met. >>>> >>>> I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have >>>> not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or >>>> an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... >>>> >>>> The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom >>>> worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it >>>> can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one >>>> or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build >>>> precedents that can be mis used in the future.... >>>> >>>> Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in >>>> the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please >>>> elaborate. >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom >>>>> per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now >>>>> on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. >>>>> >>>>> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the >>>>> year, but we did nothing about it. >>>>> >>>>> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing >>>>> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late >>>>> getting ourselves into gear. >>>>> >>>>> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute >>>>> urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded >>>>> nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names >>>>> than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with >>>>> further last minute ad-hoc process. >>>>> >>>>> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as >>>>> ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. >>>>> And that is no way to participate in the IGF. >>>>> >>>>> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the >>>>> IGC request a review, they get one. >>>>> >>>>> avri >>>>> >>>>> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I >>>>> am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case >>>>> the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was >>>>> never dealt with by our co-coordinators. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> avri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Tue Jan 8 01:14:52 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:14:52 -0500 Subject: [governance] The Appeals Team In-Reply-To: <50EBB7A8.7070702@communisphere.com> References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> <50EBB7A8.7070702@communisphere.com> Message-ID: <50EBB95C.2030709@communisphere.com> +1 Appeal We need an official and focused group to opine on this issue. I believe the current Appeal Team is that entity. Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/8/2013 1:07 AM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > IGC List, > > My records indicate the current members of the Civil Society Internet > Governance Caucus Appeals Team are: > > * *Ginger Paque* > * *Ian Peter* > * *Roland Perry* > * *Shaila Rao Mistry* > * *Deirdre Williams* > > They were appointed by the NomCom on July 24, 2012. The appointment > was for one year beginning on July 24, 2012. (See copy of the NomCom > report below.) > > Sincerely, > > Thomas Lowenhaupt, Chair (non-voting) > 2012 Appeals Team Nominating Committee > > P.S. The > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: The Nominating Committee's Appeals Team Selection Report > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:31:00 -0400 > From: Thomas Lowenhaupt > > To: governance list IG Caucus > > CC: Asif Kabani > , Hakikur Rahman > , Naveed haq > , Shahid Akbar > , Wilson > Abigaba , Jeremy > Malcolm > > > > Fellow Member of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, > > The Appeals Team Nominating Committee is delighted to announce that > the selection process for the Appeals Team has been successfully > completed with the following 5 nominees receiving a majority vote from > the NomCom members: > > * *Ginger Paque* > * *Ian Peter* > * *Roland Perry* > * *Shaila Rao Mistry* > * *Deirdre Williams* > > The NomCom effort began in May and included several outreach emails to > the IGC list detailing the need and process for selecting an Appeals > Team. As a result of this outreach effort the NomCom received 11 > nominees. The Committee them confirmed with the nominees their > willingness to serve. All responded positively. The 11 nominees > confirming their willingness to serve were: > > * Ginger Paque > * Gurumurthy Kasinathan > * Ian Peter > * Imran Ahmed Shah > * Judy Okite > * Michael Gurstein > * Raquel Gatto > * Roland Perry > * Shaila Rao Mistry > * Vincent Solomon Aliama > * Deirdre Williams > > The NomCom would like to thank the nominees for stepping forward and > enabling a robust review process. > > We also offer our thanks to Jeremy Malcolm who, having served as chair > of a previous NomCom, stood by ready to provide any needed support to > this committee. > > And we especially wish the 5 selected for the Appeals Team wisdom > should their judgement be required during the term of service. > > Sincerely, > > The Appeals Team Nominating Committee, > > Asif Kabani > Hakikur Rahman > Naveed haq > Shahid Akbar > Wilson Abigaba > Thomas Lowenhaupt (non-voting chair) > > > > > > > > On 1/8/2013 12:11 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> 2013/1/7 Avri Doria: >> >>> If 4 voting members appeal to the team, it is ok to appeal. >>> I think that having a single coordinator is no reason either way. >>> >>> If members think the rules are being abused >>> and that the members are being ignored, >>> they should appeal. >>> I am trying to appeal >> I do understand that every member has the right to appeal. >> I am not denying that at all. >> >> But for this case, my personal opinion is that Sala's >> proposal of using the existing NomCom for MAG nomination >> is not a real "abuse". Given the situation, it is a practical option >> as some others already endorsed. >> I think we better focus on more productive and pragmatic or important issues >> now. I mean, reviewing the Charter is of course important, but can't >> we do so after >> we settle MAG selection thing? >> >>> I understand that you don't agree, >>> and it looks like very few people do, >>> so it may be a moot issues. >>> >>> As far as I know the appeals team serves until it is replaced. >>> as i thought the co-co's did. >> If so, why not also NomCom? These are sort of "grey" areas that >> current Charter does not specifically address. >> >>> Remind me again, >>> why did you step down before you had been replaced? >> I have two year terms, coordinator election should be done mid-summer >> or soon after according to Charter. >> >> I did not write "stepped down" though I have made clear my intention >> to step down >> earlier in November, and Call for new coordinator was already made. >> >> So, legally I might still be a coordinator until new one replaces me, >> but I thought it >> proper not to take any active action or role, being a lame duck and >> outgoing shortly. >> That's why I wrote "retired. I hope you could understand this and read >> between the >> lines. >> >> izumi >> >> >>> avri >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2013, at 05:41, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of >>>> responsibility >>>> for some issues in this thread. >>>> >>>> I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in >>>> theory is for 2012, >>>> and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team >>>> was late and only seated in late July last year. >>>> >>>> So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for >>>> another 6 months >>>> should the list, and the Team members agree with. >>>> >>>> Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for >>>> the Appeals >>>> Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination >>>> would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the >>>> Coordinator's decision >>>> is abuse and in violation of the Charter. >>>> >>>> We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand >>>> fixing these >>>> issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the >>>> appeal process for abuse >>>> when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. >>>> >>>> My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the >>>> Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. >>>> >>>> best, >>>> >>>> izumi >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/1/7 parminder: >>>>> On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>>>>> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Avri, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of >>>>>>> the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or >>>>>>> not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam >>>>>> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >>>>>>> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several >>>>>>> different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened >>>>>>> time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the >>>>>>> co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several >>>>>>> functions. >>>>>> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir >>>>>> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we >>>>>> knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just >>>>>> make the last nomcom do it" >>>>> I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of >>>>> their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple >>>>> nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be >>>>> selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is >>>>> made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition >>>>> is also not met. >>>>> >>>>> I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have >>>>> not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or >>>>> an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... >>>>> >>>>> The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom >>>>> worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it >>>>> can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one >>>>> or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build >>>>> precedents that can be mis used in the future.... >>>>> >>>>> Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in >>>>> the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please >>>>> elaborate. >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom >>>>>> per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now >>>>>> on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. >>>>>> >>>>>> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the >>>>>> year, but we did nothing about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing >>>>>> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late >>>>>> getting ourselves into gear. >>>>>> >>>>>> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute >>>>>> urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded >>>>>> nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names >>>>>> than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with >>>>>> further last minute ad-hoc process. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as >>>>>> ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. >>>>>> And that is no way to participate in the IGF. >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the >>>>>> IGC request a review, they get one. >>>>>> >>>>>> avri >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I >>>>>> am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case >>>>>> the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was >>>>>> never dealt with by our co-coordinators. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> avri >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greetings, Norbert Am Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:44:07 +1300 schrieb "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" : > Dear All, > > I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of > nominees that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC > elections and additional questions will be put forward to in relation > to nominations for MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be > asked to submit brief bios separately as well. > > The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is > important that we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to > select the Independent Non Voting Chair for this. > > You will all be informed of developments soon. > > Kind Regards, > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue Jan 8 02:02:32 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:02:32 +0100 Subject: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 In-Reply-To: References: <36613454AE654EB9A07DF9DB0126E547@Toshiba> Message-ID: <20130108080232.0286a34c@quill.bollow.ch> "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" wrote: > The election candidates will include an additional question > about MAG Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, > these persons will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the > NomCom to make their selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This > will then be posted to the IGC and sent to the UNDESA. How precisely is this intended to work? There is only very little time between when that survey closes and when the nomcom is expected to have made the selections. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 02:55:36 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:55:36 +0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <50EBD0F8.90507@gmail.com> On 2013/01/07 10:13 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Guru, if you get badly personalized results from Google without asking > for it, what is to stop you from not using Google? The problem with this kind of analysis of "consumer choice" analysis is that it is theoretically grounded in the neo-classical and/or neoliberal economic theory. So let us look at what this says: 1. If consumers have choices, then there is not a problem 2. Consumers have choice NOT if there is a real choice (i.e. apples to apples) but if the market per se is contestable (Contestable Markets theory) - which is in part why oligopolies can be theoretically tolerated in anti-trust law (abuse of dominant position etc) 3. Government interventions are presumptively bad. Private initiatives (except for fraud and -as defined by law and action- anti-competitive behaviour). Now what is the problem with this? 1. Consumer choice is elevated as a moral/ethical good, in spite of practical realities: there may be qualitative issues related choices that are NOT available (i.e. market failures) 2. The theory has an internal contradiction. Contestable Markets are fine, but yet almost all the analysis makes use of Alfred Marshall's representative firm. What is a representative firm as compared to a "real" firm? It does not have the observable tendency to "first mover" advantage or to reap the benefits of economies of scale. In other words the theory used to justify consumer choice ab initio excludes the advantages that flow to Google from first mover (with a great algorithm) and the consequent economies of scale. Therefore, if one excludes these relevant tendencies from the analysis, well then one is not saying much. While consumer choice may be a relevant approach in the North(tactically), it has its limits in terms of theory and of context. Analogously In the UK something as banal as supermarkets were found to have a dominant market position when they controlled about 4% of the market (i.e. sufficient to have upstream and downstream negative effects). Now if one were to let reality impact on the theory/ideology, then perhaps we can chat. I mean this whole notion of consumer choice is aptly illustrated by the US crisis. Of course, you could have any Mortgage Backed Security you want - there was consumer choice - and that did not detract from the fact that the entire operation was hoopla. As spokesperson for this neoclassical theory Alan Greenspan said he was "shocked" that market participants breached their duties and took on the reputational risk (in a market governed by fides). Of course if he had been open to other ideas, then he might have seen this coming. But in the North (with my limited experience) the adage, 'in the land of the blind, the one eyed is king', more like "in the land of the blind, the one eyed is mad". Welcome to the mad world of heterodox economics... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 03:05:22 2013 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:05:22 +0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> Message-ID: <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> SRS For the record, I note this is an ad hominem attack. But as usual "right wing" bashers like this do not provoke calls for balance and openness. So as per "eye for an eye" which is fair, given I am left to hang with this: I am open to engaging substantively, but please do not achieve your right wing obsequious ambitions be achieved at my expense. You may land a plum job or contract, but I think you have to develop not just crass but sophisticated crass like some of the status quoists on this list. In other words, you need to up your game. This is also for the record because the next time the "right" on this list bashes someone on the left I am going to trawl this out to expose double standards. This is the second time (from my recent trawling) that ad hominem attacks on the "left" has gone unnoticed. I do not do this to hold any complaints hostage or to have a chilling effect. In fact, quite the opposite, it will be used to chill those who are very quick to call for balance/peace/dialogue while spitting fire. Riaz On 2013/01/06 06:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com > and other google search results, instead of > Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about > google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have > actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? > Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements > from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where > google got spanked by the FTC. > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is > worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how > google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > --srs (iPad) > > On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" > wrote: > >> Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… >> >> To put that in English… >> >> /I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google >> for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues >> concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much >> more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain >> things, than on what we can say or not say…/ >> >> // >> >> /M/ >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Jan 8 03:27:59 2013 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:27:59 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: The Appeals Team In-Reply-To: <50EBB7A8.7070702@communisphere.com> References: <201301070319.r073JUE4019667@atl4mhob08.myregisteredsite.com> <0BD1D395-93D5-441B-A0B8-62F758B7657F@acm.org> <50EA8D45.40909@itforchange.net> <50EBB7A8.7070702@communisphere.com> Message-ID: Thanks Thomas for bringing this up and clear confirmation. So our Appeals Team 2012 actually has terms for 1 year, till next July. Sorry for overlooking that!! izumi 2013/1/8 Thomas Lowenhaupt > IGC List, > > My records indicate the current members of the Civil Society Internet > Governance Caucus Appeals Team are: > > - *Ginger Paque* > - *Ian Peter* > - *Roland Perry* > - *Shaila Rao Mistry* > - *Deirdre Williams* > > They were appointed by the NomCom on July 24, 2012. The appointment was > for one year beginning on July 24, 2012. (See copy of the NomCom report > below.) > > Sincerely, > > Thomas Lowenhaupt, Chair (non-voting) > 2012 Appeals Team Nominating Committee > > P.S. The > > ------------------------------ > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The Nominating Committee's > Appeals Team Selection Report Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:31:00 -0400 From: > Thomas Lowenhaupt To: governance > list IG Caucus CC: > Asif Kabani , Hakikur > Rahman , Naveed haq > , Shahid Akbar > , Wilson Abigaba > , Jeremy Malcolm > > > Fellow Member of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, > > The Appeals Team Nominating Committee is delighted to announce that the > selection process for the Appeals Team has been successfully completed with > the following 5 nominees receiving a majority vote from the NomCom members: > > - *Ginger Paque* > - *Ian Peter* > - *Roland Perry* > - *Shaila Rao Mistry* > - *Deirdre Williams* > > The NomCom effort began in May and included several outreach emails to the > IGC list detailing the need and process for selecting an Appeals Team. As a > result of this outreach effort the NomCom received 11 nominees. The > Committee them confirmed with the nominees their willingness to serve. All > responded positively. The 11 nominees confirming their willingness to serve > were: > > - Ginger Paque > - Gurumurthy Kasinathan > - Ian Peter > - Imran Ahmed Shah > - Judy Okite > - Michael Gurstein > - Raquel Gatto > - Roland Perry > - Shaila Rao Mistry > - Vincent Solomon Aliama > - Deirdre Williams > > The NomCom would like to thank the nominees for stepping forward and > enabling a robust review process. > > We also offer our thanks to Jeremy Malcolm who, having served as chair of > a previous NomCom, stood by ready to provide any needed support to this > committee. > > And we especially wish the 5 selected for the Appeals Team wisdom should > their judgement be required during the term of service. > > Sincerely, > > The Appeals Team Nominating Committee, > > Asif Kabani > Hakikur Rahman > Naveed haq > Shahid Akbar > Wilson Abigaba > Thomas Lowenhaupt (non-voting chair) > > > > > > > > On 1/8/2013 12:11 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > 2013/1/7 Avri Doria : > > > If 4 voting members appeal to the team, it is ok to appeal. > I think that having a single coordinator is no reason either way. > > If members think the rules are being abused > and that the members are being ignored, > they should appeal. > I am trying to appeal > > I do understand that every member has the right to appeal. > I am not denying that at all. > > But for this case, my personal opinion is that Sala's > proposal of using the existing NomCom for MAG nomination > is not a real "abuse". Given the situation, it is a practical option > as some others already endorsed. > I think we better focus on more productive and pragmatic or important issues > now. I mean, reviewing the Charter is of course important, but can't > we do so after > we settle MAG selection thing? > > > I understand that you don't agree, > and it looks like very few people do, > so it may be a moot issues. > > As far as I know the appeals team serves until it is replaced. > as i thought the co-co's did. > > If so, why not also NomCom? These are sort of "grey" areas that > current Charter does not specifically address. > > > Remind me again, > why did you step down before you had been replaced? > > I have two year terms, coordinator election should be done mid-summer > or soon after according to Charter. > > I did not write "stepped down" though I have made clear my intention > to step down > earlier in November, and Call for new coordinator was already made. > > So, legally I might still be a coordinator until new one replaces me, > but I thought it > proper not to take any active action or role, being a lame duck and > outgoing shortly. > That's why I wrote "retired. I hope you could understand this and read > between the > lines. > > izumi > > > > avri > > On 7 Jan 2013, at 05:41, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > > Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of > responsibility > for some issues in this thread. > > I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in > theory is for 2012, > and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team > was late and only seated in late July last year. > > So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for > another 6 months > should the list, and the Team members agree with. > > Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for > the Appeals > Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination > would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the > Coordinator's decision > is abuse and in violation of the Charter. > > We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand > fixing these > issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the > appeal process for abuse > when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. > > My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the > Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. > > best, > > izumi > > > 2013/1/7 parminder : > > On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: > > > Hi Avri, > > Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of > the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or > not. > > Thank you, > > Adam > > the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: > > > Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be > disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several > different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened > time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the > co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several > functions. > > The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir > requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we > knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just > make the last nomcom do it" > > > I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of > their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple > nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be > selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is > made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition > is also not met. > > I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have > not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or > an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... > > The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom > worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it > can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one > or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build > precedents that can be mis used in the future.... > > Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in > the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please > elaborate. > > parminder > > > > > > We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom > per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now > on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. > > We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the > year, but we did nothing about it. > > We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing > things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late > getting ourselves into gear. > > This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute > urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded > nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names > than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with > further last minute ad-hoc process. > > If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as > ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. > And that is no way to participate in the IGF. > > In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the > IGC request a review, they get one. > > avri > > BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I > am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case > the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was > never dealt with by our co-coordinators. > > > avri > > > > > > > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue Jan 8 03:47:17 2013 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:17:17 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4748EC25-E56F-44B8-B900-59B747291BD5@hserus.net> i am willing to be corrected have you posted on anything much else recently, other than news articles about google's tax strategies or their privacy policy? --srs (iPad) On 08-Jan-2013, at 13:35, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > SRS > > For the record, I note this is an ad hominem attack. But as usual "right wing" bashers like this do not provoke calls for balance and openness. So as per "eye for an eye" which is fair, given I am left to hang with this: > > I am open to engaging substantively, but please do not achieve your right wing obsequious ambitions be achieved at my expense. You may land a plum job or contract, but I think you have to develop not just crass but sophisticated crass like some of the status quoists on this list. In other words, you need to up your game. > > This is also for the record because the next time the "right" on this list bashes someone on the left I am going to trawl this out to expose double standards. This is the second time (from my recent trawling) that ad hominem attacks on the "left" has gone unnoticed. I do not do this to hold any complaints hostage or to have a chilling effect. In fact, quite the opposite, it will be used to chill those who are very quick to call for balance/peace/dialogue while spitting fire. > > Riaz > > > On 2013/01/06 06:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? >> >> And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? >> >> And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. >> >> And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. >> >> Can we please >> >> 1. Have a reality check here >> 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance >> >> --srs (iPad) >> >> On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" wrote: >> >>> Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… >>> >>> To put that in English… >>> >>> I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or not say… >>> >>> M > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Appeal Team details can be found http://igcaucus.org/appeals-team Given that the deadline to submit names to UNDESA is on 20th January, 2013, we have created an additional question in relation to nominations for MAG members using the Ballot e voting mechanism. Whilst the IGC election of the coordinators will close on the 18th January, 2013, we will be harvesting the nominations for MAG on the 12th January, 2013 and write to these nominees to ask whether they accept the nominations and request them to submit their details in the prescribed templates to a designated email address by the 14th January, 2013. We will be preparing a designated email address where nominations for MAG members will be received. In the event that the Appeal Team are to review the Request, the work in gathering the nominations will not be impeded. In the meantime, I have asked Thomas Lowenhaupt to preside as Independent Non Voting Chair of the existing NomCom and note that Hakikur and Naveed had recused themselves from the NomCom. Thank you all for your patience. Kind Regards, Sala On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Under the IGC Charter, the NomCom may be called upon to provide several > functions. In this instance, the NomCom as Ian had mentioned had served > previously to appoint the members of the Appeal Team. The NomCom was newly > drawn to serve the IGC in appointing the Appeal Team and have existed for > less than 12 months. > > In this instance, since we are to give our list of Nominees to the IGC by > the 20th January, 2013, it becomes easier to use the existing NomCom. The > election candidates will include an additional question about MAG > Nominations which we will harvest and send to the NomCom, these persons > will be asked to submit their brief bios to enable the NomCom to make their > selections prior to the 19th January, 2013. This will then be posted to the > IGC and sent to the UNDESA. > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> I think using the previous Nomcom is the most practical path forward, but >> above all I think leaving the process to the (single currently) Co >> ordinator is what we should do. The current Nomcom is less than 12 months >> old, has only been used to select an Appeals Team, and operated >> effectively. Not all Nomcoms in the past have been effective, as most of us >> know, and I would prefer not to take the risk of a longer process that >> might give us dubious results. We will be lucky to meet the deadline even >> with the path of least resistance. >> >> Re numbers to put forward - I think we should be aiming at a large slate >> of nominees rather than a small one, to cover all contingencies. We don't >> know who will be rotated off, either in CS or with other stakeholder >> groups, and as the geographic and gender balance needs to be achieved >> cross-stakeholder, it is better for us to present more options ( the loss >> of a North American woman governmental representative may well present an >> opening for a civil society woman from that area, etc) So I think a larger >> group of nominees might be praxctical. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake >> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:54 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Subject: Re: [governance] Updates on MAG 2013 >> >> >> Confirmed with the secretariat that the goal is to continue with >> rotation, i.e. one third each year (plus or minus a few.) >> >> How many CS MAG members are there now, about 12? Perhaps look to >> submit 6 names for the deadline? >> >> The members who joined last year only began at the May meeting. Hope >> they remain. A few of the people we suggested then were selected, in >> addition to the names the NomCom comes up with now, might be good to >> suggest that the 2012 batch also remain. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> > >> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I have asked the former NomCom to assist in selecting the names of >>> nominees >>> that come in. The poll is currently being prepared for IGC elections and >>> additional questions will be put forward to in relation to nominations >>> for >>> MAG etc. The list of names that come in will be asked to submit brief >>> bios >>> separately as well. >>> >>> The NomCom will deliberate and decide on the names but it is important >>> that >>> we get a broad selection as possible. We have yet to select the >>> Independent >>> Non Voting Chair for this. >>> >>> You will all be informed of developments soon. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> P.O. Box 17862 >>> Suva >>> Fiji >>> >>> Twitter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.**Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Tel: +679 3544828 >>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**______________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >> > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. 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There were some of you who had taken part in throwing in ideas and suggestions in the past and Schombe and I have consolidated these and you will find the summary below. If there are additional thoughts that you would like to add please advise. At the moment, Schombe is the only volunteer and if others would like to volunteer to help prepare the first Draft, kindly let us know. In the meantime, the IGC is encouraged to share ideas, suggestions about what we should raise in our submissions. Thank you for your cooperation. Kind Regards, Sala On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > This is a summary of the discussions and a general status update. The > consultations went into a recess on 26th November, 2012. I would encourage > you to continue with the discussions on the topic. I would like to thank > Baudouin Schombe for volunteering to help prepare this Summary. If there > are any other volunteers who would like to help in formulating the first > Draft, please let us know by responding to this thread. > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > * Summary > > 1. IGF should run for 5 days instead of 4 > 2. Selection of Venue [Criteria for selection] > 1. IGF Secretariat needs to call for expressions of interest from > Host countries in advance; > 2. Host countries should meet certain predetermined criteria; > 3. Criteria should include suitability of location -conference > facilities, wifi access, open environment that enables discourse; > 4. Improvements to the MAG [see CSTD discussions on IGF > improvements] > 5. Logistical support in terms of visa procurements > 6. Identification of location [accessibility challenges when held > outside the City] > > > > 1. Main Session > 1. Time spent on main sessions should be halved and reduced to a day > 2. Workshops are a sideshow, main sessions are the main event (or > should be). Workshops and main sessions should not overlap . Lessons can be > learnt from other Internet governance events such as APRICOT, which are > scheduled in this way. > 3. Every main session needs to build upon or do anything > substantive with the so-called feeder workshops. The content of > plenaries/main sessions somehow reflect and build upon what has gone on > before. > 4. Main Sessions should have deliverables such as Resolutions or > outcomes. > > > > 1. Planning for Workshops > 1. Proper Planning of pre-IGF events; > 2. Evaluation of existing criteria > 1. Focus on Quality > 2. Focus on Issues > 3. Gender balance; > 4. Regional representation; > 5. Multi-stakeholder balance; > > > > 1. Logistical Support for People from Developing Countries > 2. Logistical Visa Support > > There should be balance between balancing participants access and country > immigration policies. > > > 1. Internet Connectivity Policy (precondition for Host Countries) > 1. An onsite liaison officer from the Host Country’s ISP; > 2. Suitable redundancy plans; > 3. Dedicated Bandwidth to service 2000 people with 6000 devices > (assuming that each person has 3 devices) > 4. Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; > 5. Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; > 6. A specialised Unit -Internet Infrastructure Team whose > responsibilities should include facilitating the Policy; [Tender should be > issued and this should be outsourced to professional vendor of > conference networking services]; > 7. Service Level Agreement and standard of networking across events. > > > > 1. Shift of Venue for MAG consultations without open consultations and > impact on participation. > 2. At present, the IGF consultation and MAG are scheduled in the same > week (13-17 May) as not on only the WSIS Forum, per usual, but also the > ITU's World Telecom Policy Forum on global Internet governance. Were > stakeholders with an interest in IG were precluded from attending the WTPF > by this scheduling. > > > SCHEDULE AND STATUS UPDATE > > DateTask Status 25 Nov 2012 Issue Notice to IGC and Gather Feedback > Notice was issued and feedback is trickling in 15 Jan 2013 Formulate > first Draft 16 Jan - 30 Jan 2013Review first Draft and gather feedback 31 > Jan - 5th Feb 2013 Produce 2nd Draft 6th Feb - 10th Feb 2013 Finalise > Submissions from IGC 11th Feb 2013 Send to IGF Secretariat and > representatives to MAG > > **Volunteers > Baudouin Schombe > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro* > * > * > *Kind Regards,* > *Sala > * > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> We need to start preparing for issues and topics that we would like >> raised by current MAG members. >> >> The Secretariat has put up a call for contributions on the IGF website >> inviting stakeholders to submit written contributions taking stock of the >> 2012 Baku meeting and inviting suggestions on the themes and format of the >> IGF 2013 meeting. The deadline for contributions is *14 February 2012*. >> These inputs will be summarized in a synthesis paper that will act as an >> input into the discussions of the February meeting. >> >> The IGC Plan is as follows: >> >> 25 Nov 2012 - Issue Notice to IGC >> >> 25 Nov 2012 - 15 January, 2013 - Gather Feedback and formulate first draft >> >> 16-Jan -30 Jan 2013 - Review first Draft and gather feedback >> >> 31 Jan - 5th February 2013 - Produce 2nd Draft >> 6th Feb - 10th February - Finalise submissions from IGC >> 11th Feb - Send to IGF Secretariat and our representatives to the MAG >> >> >> It will be great to start discussions on what some of the themes we would >> like canvassed. >> >> Warm Regards >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Guru at ITforChange.net Tue Jan 8 01:40:59 2013 From: Guru at ITforChange.net (=?UTF-8?B?R3VydSDgpJfgpYHgpLDgpYE=?=) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:10:59 +0530 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <50EBBF7B.6070901@ITforChange.net> On 01/08/2013 01:43 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Pariser's "filter bubble" thesis has very little scientific grounding. > It is one of those things that has acquired credibility primarily > through repetition, and the fact that some people always badly want to > believe that "the media" are manipulating us. > I think the point of how Internet could have been to be a space to build bridging capital and how the 'personalisation' process will erode is something we need to ponder over. Can you elaborate on why you think "thesis has very little scientific grounding." i assume you are talking of social sciences here... also do you really believe that there is no element of manipulation in the media? that this is just what "people always badly want to believe" (perhaps weapons of mass destruction were indeed found in Iraq ...) > I recall seeing him on a television program when his claim was put to > the test and they conducted searches using two different accounts and > got virtually the same results. He was embarrassed. > otoh I am embarassed that you think a sole case like this can disprove the point! The article quotes Google as saying the search algorithm uses 57 signals about the user to provide personalised results, so you think all this is in vain? > On the other hand, I was quite grateful this morning when using a > generic professional term to search for an office and discovering that > the search had been limited to Syracuse area. > > Guru, if you get badly personalized results from Google without asking > for it, what is to stop you from not using Google? > That the only action I can take to address this is by walking away is a naive response ... the issue is not of one individual user not using google. the issue is given the market dominance of google search engine, the terms of engagement are so biased in favor of one party that it is a joke to assume contractual law (clicking the i agree button or not clicking it) will solve the problem. > *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Guru ???? > *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 12:29 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the > Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com > > On 01/06/2013 10:22 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com > and other google search results, instead > of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees > about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have > actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? > Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, > statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. > > > Does 'personalised search' (without your having asked for, it or > having any role in such pesonalisation) not in a sense 'reality > distortion' ....by offering different people different views on the > same keyword search. > > See attached aticle (the web link is not available anymore) > > Guru > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just > where google got spanked by the FTC. > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# > is > worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about > how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > > --srs (iPad) > > > On 06-Jan-2013, at 22:00, "michael gurstein" > wrote: > > Thanks Riaz (and sorry for the really awkward phrasing… > > To put that in English… > > /I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better to "investigate" > Google for possible "freedom of thought" violations rather > than issues concerning "freedom of speech"… Google has the > potential for much more serious impacts on our capacity to > know (or not know) certain things, than on what we can say or > not say…/ > > // > > /M/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 06:22:22 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:22:22 -0500 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > SRS > > For the record, I note this is an ad hominem attack. But as usual "right > wing" bashers like this do not provoke calls for balance and openness. So as > per "eye for an eye" which is fair, given I am left to hang with this: I have to say that this is quite ridiculous. Pointing out that you (and others) seem to have an "anti-Google" agenda is NOT ad hominem!! What I do find much more "ad hominem" is Riaz' use of the words like "status-quoist" and "right-wing". Googlers supports a number of Democratic candidates in the USA and a lot of progressive ideas. Suresh gets booted from this list for trying to say that anti-Google campaign is boring, while those who mistakenly label folk as "right-wing" (the people in the US who normally bash Google) are seen as victims? Does anyone on this list understand the irony involved here? anyone?? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." 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Best Carlos Vera Enviado desde mi iPhone El 08/01/2013, a las 4:36, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" escribió: > Dear All, > > This is a gentle reminder that we need to work towards developing a first Draft by the 15th January, 2013. There were some of you who had taken part in throwing in ideas and suggestions in the past and Schombe and I have consolidated these and you will find the summary below. > > If there are additional thoughts that you would like to add please advise. At the moment, Schombe is the only volunteer and if others would like to volunteer to help prepare the first Draft, kindly let us know. > > In the meantime, the IGC is encouraged to share ideas, suggestions about what we should raise in our submissions. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> This is a summary of the discussions and a general status update. The consultations went into a recess on 26th November, 2012. I would encourage you to continue with the discussions on the topic. I would like to thank Baudouin Schombe for volunteering to help prepare this Summary. If there are any other volunteers who would like to help in formulating the first Draft, please let us know by responding to this thread. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Sala >> Summary >> >> >> >> IGF should run for 5 days instead of 4 >> Selection of Venue [Criteria for selection] >> IGF Secretariat needs to call for expressions of interest from Host countries in advance; >> Host countries should meet certain predetermined criteria; >> Criteria should include suitability of location -conference facilities, wifi access, open environment that enables discourse; >> Improvements to the MAG [see CSTD discussions on IGF improvements] >> Logistical support in terms of visa procurements >> Identification of location [accessibility challenges when held outside the City] >> >> Main Session >> Time spent on main sessions should be halved and reduced to a day >> Workshops are a sideshow, main sessions are the main event (or should be). Workshops and main sessions should not overlap . Lessons can be learnt from other Internet governance events such as APRICOT, which are scheduled in this way. >> Every main session needs to build upon or do anything substantive with the so-called feeder workshops. The content of plenaries/main sessions somehow reflect and build upon what has gone on before. >> Main Sessions should have deliverables such as Resolutions or outcomes. >> >> Planning for Workshops >> Proper Planning of pre-IGF events; >> Evaluation of existing criteria >> Focus on Quality >> Focus on Issues >> Gender balance; >> Regional representation; >> Multi-stakeholder balance; >> >> Logistical Support for People from Developing Countries >> Logistical Visa Support >> There should be balance between balancing participants access and country immigration policies. >> >> Internet Connectivity Policy (precondition for Host Countries) >> An onsite liaison officer from the Host Country’s ISP; >> Suitable redundancy plans; >> Dedicated Bandwidth to service 2000 people with 6000 devices (assuming that each person has 3 devices) >> Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; >> Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; >> A specialised Unit -Internet Infrastructure Team whose responsibilities should include facilitating the Policy; [Tender should be issued and this should be outsourced to professional vendor of conference networking services]; >> Service Level Agreement and standard of networking across events. >> >> Shift of Venue for MAG consultations without open consultations and impact on participation. >> At present, the IGF consultation and MAG are scheduled in the same week (13-17 May) as not on only the WSIS Forum, per usual, but also the ITU's World Telecom Policy Forum on global Internet governance. Were stakeholders with an interest in IG were precluded from attending the WTPF by this scheduling. >> >> SCHEDULE AND STATUS UPDATE >> >> Date Task Status >> 25 Nov 2012 Issue Notice to IGC and Gather Feedback >> Notice was issued and feedback is trickling in >> 15 Jan 2013 Formulate first Draft >> 16 Jan - 30 Jan 2013 Review first Draft and gather feedback >> 31 Jan - 5th Feb 2013 Produce 2nd Draft >> 6th Feb - 10th Feb 2013 Finalise Submissions from IGC >> 11th Feb 2013 Send to IGF Secretariat and representatives to MAG >> >> Volunteers >> >> >> Baudouin Schombe >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We need to start preparing for issues and topics that we would like raised by current MAG members. >>> >>> The Secretariat has put up a call for contributions on the IGF website inviting stakeholders to submit written contributions taking stock of the 2012 Baku meeting and inviting suggestions on the themes and format of the IGF 2013 meeting. The deadline for contributions is 14 February 2012. These inputs will be summarized in a synthesis paper that will act as an input into the discussions of the February meeting. >>> >>> The IGC Plan is as follows: >>> >>> 25 Nov 2012 - Issue Notice to IGC >>> >>> 25 Nov 2012 - 15 January, 2013 - Gather Feedback and formulate first draft >>> >>> 16-Jan -30 Jan 2013 - Review first Draft and gather feedback >>> >>> 31 Jan - 5th February 2013 - Produce 2nd Draft >>> 6th Feb - 10th February - Finalise submissions from IGC >>> 11th Feb - Send to IGF Secretariat and our representatives to the MAG >>> >>> >>> It will be great to start discussions on what some of the themes we would like canvassed. >>> >>> Warm Regards >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> P.O. Box 17862 >>> Suva >>> Fiji >>> >>> Twitter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Tel: +679 3544828 >>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pl, let move forward :) Regards On 8 January 2013 13:27, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Thanks Thomas for bringing this up and clear confirmation. > > So our Appeals Team 2012 actually has terms for 1 year, till next July. > > Sorry for overlooking that!! > > izumi > > > 2013/1/8 Thomas Lowenhaupt > >> IGC List, >> >> My records indicate the current members of the Civil Society Internet >> Governance Caucus Appeals Team are: >> >> - *Ginger Paque* >> - *Ian Peter* >> - *Roland Perry* >> - *Shaila Rao Mistry* >> - *Deirdre Williams* >> >> They were appointed by the NomCom on July 24, 2012. The appointment was >> for one year beginning on July 24, 2012. (See copy of the NomCom report >> below.) >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Thomas Lowenhaupt, Chair (non-voting) >> 2012 Appeals Team Nominating Committee >> >> P.S. The >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The Nominating Committee's >> Appeals Team Selection Report Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:31:00 -0400 From: >> Thomas Lowenhaupt To: governance >> list IG Caucus CC: >> Asif Kabani , Hakikur >> Rahman , Naveed haq >> , Shahid Akbar >> , Wilson Abigaba >> , Jeremy Malcolm >> >> >> Fellow Member of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, >> >> The Appeals Team Nominating Committee is delighted to announce that the >> selection process for the Appeals Team has been successfully completed with >> the following 5 nominees receiving a majority vote from the NomCom members: >> >> - *Ginger Paque* >> - *Ian Peter* >> - *Roland Perry* >> - *Shaila Rao Mistry* >> - *Deirdre Williams* >> >> The NomCom effort began in May and included several outreach emails to >> the IGC list detailing the need and process for selecting an Appeals Team. >> As a result of this outreach effort the NomCom received 11 nominees. The >> Committee them confirmed with the nominees their willingness to serve. All >> responded positively. The 11 nominees confirming their willingness to serve >> were: >> >> - Ginger Paque >> - Gurumurthy Kasinathan >> - Ian Peter >> - Imran Ahmed Shah >> - Judy Okite >> - Michael Gurstein >> - Raquel Gatto >> - Roland Perry >> - Shaila Rao Mistry >> - Vincent Solomon Aliama >> - Deirdre Williams >> >> The NomCom would like to thank the nominees for stepping forward and >> enabling a robust review process. >> >> We also offer our thanks to Jeremy Malcolm who, having served as chair of >> a previous NomCom, stood by ready to provide any needed support to this >> committee. >> >> And we especially wish the 5 selected for the Appeals Team wisdom should >> their judgement be required during the term of service. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> The Appeals Team Nominating Committee, >> >> Asif Kabani >> Hakikur Rahman >> Naveed haq >> Shahid Akbar >> Wilson Abigaba >> Thomas Lowenhaupt (non-voting chair) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/8/2013 12:11 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> 2013/1/7 Avri Doria : >> >> >> If 4 voting members appeal to the team, it is ok to appeal. >> I think that having a single coordinator is no reason either way. >> >> If members think the rules are being abused >> and that the members are being ignored, >> they should appeal. >> I am trying to appeal >> >> I do understand that every member has the right to appeal. >> I am not denying that at all. >> >> But for this case, my personal opinion is that Sala's >> proposal of using the existing NomCom for MAG nomination >> is not a real "abuse". Given the situation, it is a practical option >> as some others already endorsed. >> I think we better focus on more productive and pragmatic or important issues >> now. I mean, reviewing the Charter is of course important, but can't >> we do so after >> we settle MAG selection thing? >> >> >> I understand that you don't agree, >> and it looks like very few people do, >> so it may be a moot issues. >> >> As far as I know the appeals team serves until it is replaced. >> as i thought the co-co's did. >> >> If so, why not also NomCom? These are sort of "grey" areas that >> current Charter does not specifically address. >> >> >> Remind me again, >> why did you step down before you had been replaced? >> >> I have two year terms, coordinator election should be done mid-summer >> or soon after according to Charter. >> >> I did not write "stepped down" though I have made clear my intention >> to step down >> earlier in November, and Call for new coordinator was already made. >> >> So, legally I might still be a coordinator until new one replaces me, >> but I thought it >> proper not to take any active action or role, being a lame duck and >> outgoing shortly. >> That's why I wrote "retired. I hope you could understand this and read >> between the >> lines. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> avri >> >> On 7 Jan 2013, at 05:41, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> >> Dear all, as already retired from co-co, I still feel a good deal of >> responsibility >> for some issues in this thread. >> >> I also like to point out that the current Appeals Team's term in >> theory is for 2012, >> and we are already into 2013. As we know, the selection of 2012 Appeals Team >> was late and only seated in late July last year. >> >> So I am in favor of making 2012 Appeals team to be in charge for >> another 6 months >> should the list, and the Team members agree with. >> >> Yet, if we agree with this flexible interpretation of the Charter for >> the Appeals >> Team, allowing the past NomCom to be in charge of MAG renewal nomination >> would not deserve for the Appeals team to investigate if the >> Coordinator's decision >> is abuse and in violation of the Charter. >> >> We are not doing the perfect job as a whole group, and I do understand >> fixing these >> issues are all important, but I don't think going straight to the >> appeal process for abuse >> when there is only one coordinator is not the best way forward. >> >> My suggestion is, use the past NomCom for this MAG selection, start discuss the >> Charter amendment right after the new coordinator is seated. >> >> best, >> >> izumi >> >> >> 2013/1/7 parminder : >> >> On Monday 07 January 2013 11:38 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> On 6 Jan 2013, at 22:24, Adam Peake wrote: >> >> >> Hi Avri, >> >> Could you explain why an abuse. You've been something of a master of >> the caucus' charter, would be good to understand more before +1'ing or >> not. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Adam >> >> the Nomcom process, included by reference as part of the charter says: >> >> >> Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several >> different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened >> time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the >> co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several >> functions. >> >> The request for a Nomcom to fulfill several tasks is an a-prioir >> requirement, not something that can be done a-posteriori as in "oh my, we >> knew we needed to set up a nomcom but dod not get around to it, so lets just >> make the last nomcom do it" >> >> I agree. and in addition there is also the need to meet the condition of >> their being a 'shortened time frame' that does not allow for multiple >> nomcoms to overrule the basic requirement that " Each nomcom will be >> selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is >> made." With many months gone since the nomcom did its work, this condition >> is also not met. >> >> I know that contextual flexibilities are often required but, Sala, you have >> not explained to me why it takes much more time to get a new nomcom out or >> an existing set of volunteers, with a 2 day opt out/ out in window... >> >> The problem with arbitrariness, or taking the view that the earlier noncom >> worked well (or even worse, produced good results), is that at some time it >> can abused by those who for the wrong reason may want to continue with one >> or the other nomcom. Therefore, as far as possible, it is best not to build >> precedents that can be mis used in the future.... >> >> Also, Sala, I did not understand what is to be proposed to be included in >> the vote for new co-coordinator with regard to the nomcom. Can you please >> elaborate. >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >> >> We discussed changing to the charter to make it possible to have a nomcom >> per year. But we never got around to doing anything about it. To do so now >> on the whim of a single coordinator is an abuse of power by the coordinator. >> >> We knew that MAG nominations would be required at the beginning of the >> year, but we did nothing about it. >> >> We have gotten into the habit of ignoring the charter and just doing >> things in an ad-hoc manner when all of a sudden we realize we are very late >> getting ourselves into gear. >> >> This habit of ignoring the charter in favor of coordinator last minute >> urges is what I view as a charter abuse. Deciding to reactivate a disbanded >> nomcom is an ad-hoc replacement of process. Better we miss submitting names >> than that we bless this current regime of neglect by our coordinators with >> further last minute ad-hoc process. >> >> If we keep it up this way, we will be ignoring our processes as much as >> ICANN has begun to ignore its processes. >> And that is no way to participate in the IGF. >> >> In any case, that is what the Appeals team is for. If 4 members of the >> IGC request a review, they get one. >> >> avri >> >> BTW, with the irregularities in the last election I am not sure whether I >> am a member or not. Hence my request for 4 co-requestoers - just in case >> the powers that be decide to invalidate my request. Another issues that was >> never dealt with by our co-coordinators. >> >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Connect me* [image: Facebook] [image: Twitter] [image: Youtube] [image: LinkedIn] *Wait Before you print - Think about the** **ENVIRONMENT* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 06:47:11 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:47:11 -0500 Subject: [governance] a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member Message-ID: All, Our charter says: "Duties of the appeals team. Any time 4 individual members of the IGC co-sign a statement on the main IGC mailing list they can appeal any decision of the coordinators. When a decision is appealed, the appeals team will review any discussions that occurred and will request comments from the IGC membership. Based on the information they collect and discussion, they will decide on the merit of the appeal. Decisions by the appeals team are based on a majority vote of the appeal team, i.e., three (3) or ore votes, except in the case of coordinator recall which requires full consensus. The decision of the appeals team will be final on every decision reviewed." I hereby call on the appeals team to activate this process on the subject of the recent decision to remove SRS from the mailing list. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 07:47:03 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 01:47:03 +1300 Subject: [governance] a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, As a matter of background, there were complaints received over the blase attacks against persons and I had privately warned the "banned" subscriber more than a couple of times. The banned "subscriber" was on last warning. Kind Regards, Sala On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:47 AM, McTim wrote: > All, > > Our charter says: > > "Duties of the appeals team. > > Any time 4 individual members of the IGC co-sign a statement on the > main IGC mailing list they can appeal any decision of the > coordinators. When a decision is appealed, the appeals team will > review any discussions that occurred and will request comments from > the IGC membership. Based on the information they collect and > discussion, they will decide on the merit of the appeal. > Decisions by the appeals team are based on a majority vote of the > appeal team, i.e., three (3) or ore votes, except in the case of > coordinator recall which requires full consensus. > The decision of the appeals team will be final on every decision reviewed." > > I hereby call on the appeals team to activate this process on the > subject of the recent decision to remove SRS from the mailing list. > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 07:49:42 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 01:49:42 +1300 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: <7CA9AE5C-18AE-4A53-ACD3-2D1F0157B370@gmail.com> References: <7CA9AE5C-18AE-4A53-ACD3-2D1F0157B370@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Carlos, That's an excellent question and one to which I do not have answers to. Does anyone have any inkling in regards to Carlos' question. My thoughts are that the information exists but remains with the IG Secretariat. Kind Regards, Sala On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Carlos Vera Quintana wrote: > Dear Sala: from previous IGF is there some documents or reports about > number of participants or bandwidth used and other info that helps to > develop this summary? > > Best > > > Carlos Vera > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 08/01/2013, a las 4:36, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> escribió: > > Dear All, > > This is a gentle reminder that we need to work towards developing a first > Draft by the 15th January, 2013. There were some of you who had taken part > in throwing in ideas and suggestions in the past and Schombe and I have > consolidated these and you will find the summary below. > > If there are additional thoughts that you would like to add please advise. > At the moment, Schombe is the only volunteer and if others would like to > volunteer to help prepare the first Draft, kindly let us know. > > In the meantime, the IGC is encouraged to share ideas, suggestions about > what we should raise in our submissions. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> This is a summary of the discussions and a general status update. The >> consultations went into a recess on 26th November, 2012. I would encourage >> you to continue with the discussions on the topic. I would like to thank >> Baudouin Schombe for volunteering to help prepare this Summary. If there >> are any other volunteers who would like to help in formulating the first >> Draft, please let us know by responding to this thread. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Sala >> * Summary >> >> 1. IGF should run for 5 days instead of 4 >> 2. Selection of Venue [Criteria for selection] >> 1. IGF Secretariat needs to call for expressions of interest from >> Host countries in advance; >> 2. Host countries should meet certain predetermined criteria; >> 3. Criteria should include suitability of location -conference >> facilities, wifi access, open environment that enables discourse; >> 4. Improvements to the MAG [see CSTD discussions on IGF >> improvements] >> 5. Logistical support in terms of visa procurements >> 6. Identification of location [accessibility challenges when held >> outside the City] >> >> >> >> 1. Main Session >> 1. Time spent on main sessions should be halved and reduced to a >> day >> 2. Workshops are a sideshow, main sessions are the main event (or >> should be). Workshops and main sessions should not overlap . Lessons can be >> learnt from other Internet governance events such as APRICOT, which are >> scheduled in this way. >> 3. Every main session needs to build upon or do anything >> substantive with the so-called feeder workshops. The content of >> plenaries/main sessions somehow reflect and build upon what has gone on >> before. >> 4. Main Sessions should have deliverables such as Resolutions or >> outcomes. >> >> >> >> 1. Planning for Workshops >> 1. Proper Planning of pre-IGF events; >> 2. Evaluation of existing criteria >> 1. Focus on Quality >> 2. Focus on Issues >> 3. Gender balance; >> 4. Regional representation; >> 5. Multi-stakeholder balance; >> >> >> >> 1. Logistical Support for People from Developing Countries >> 2. Logistical Visa Support >> >> There should be balance between balancing participants access and country >> immigration policies. >> >> >> 1. Internet Connectivity Policy (precondition for Host Countries) >> 1. An onsite liaison officer from the Host Country’s ISP; >> 2. Suitable redundancy plans; >> 3. Dedicated Bandwidth to service 2000 people with 6000 devices >> (assuming that each person has 3 devices) >> 4. Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; >> 5. Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; >> 6. A specialised Unit -Internet Infrastructure Team whose >> responsibilities should include facilitating the Policy; [Tender should be >> issued and this should be outsourced to professional vendor of >> conference networking services]; >> 7. Service Level Agreement and standard of networking across >> events. >> >> >> >> 1. Shift of Venue for MAG consultations without open consultations >> and impact on participation. >> 2. At present, the IGF consultation and MAG are scheduled in the same >> week (13-17 May) as not on only the WSIS Forum, per usual, but also the >> ITU's World Telecom Policy Forum on global Internet governance. Were >> stakeholders with an interest in IG were precluded from attending the WTPF >> by this scheduling. >> >> >> SCHEDULE AND STATUS UPDATE >> >> DateTask Status 25 Nov 2012 Issue Notice to IGC and Gather Feedback >> Notice was issued and feedback is trickling in 15 Jan 2013 Formulate >> first Draft 16 Jan - 30 Jan 2013Review first Draft and gather feedback 31 >> Jan - 5th Feb 2013 Produce 2nd Draft 6th Feb - 10th Feb 2013 Finalise >> Submissions from IGC 11th Feb 2013 Send to IGF Secretariat and >> representatives to MAG >> >> **Volunteers >> Baudouin Schombe >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro* >> * >> * >> *Kind Regards,* >> *Sala >> * >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We need to start preparing for issues and topics that we would like >>> raised by current MAG members. >>> >>> The Secretariat has put up a call for contributions on the IGF website >>> inviting stakeholders to submit written contributions taking stock of the >>> 2012 Baku meeting and inviting suggestions on the themes and format of the >>> IGF 2013 meeting. The deadline for contributions is *14 February 2012*. >>> These inputs will be summarized in a synthesis paper that will act as an >>> input into the discussions of the February meeting. >>> >>> The IGC Plan is as follows: >>> >>> 25 Nov 2012 - Issue Notice to IGC >>> >>> 25 Nov 2012 - 15 January, 2013 - Gather Feedback and formulate first >>> draft >>> >>> 16-Jan -30 Jan 2013 - Review first Draft and gather feedback >>> >>> 31 Jan - 5th February 2013 - Produce 2nd Draft >>> 6th Feb - 10th February - Finalise submissions from IGC >>> 11th Feb - Send to IGF Secretariat and our representatives to the MAG >>> >>> >>> It will be great to start discussions on what some of the themes we >>> would like canvassed. >>> >>> Warm Regards >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> P.O. Box 17862 >>> Suva >>> Fiji >>> >>> Twitter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Tel: +679 3544828 >>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> P.O. Box 17862 >> Suva >> Fiji >> >> Twitter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Tel: +679 3544828 >> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Suresh gets booted from this list for > trying to say that anti-Google campaign is boring, while those who > mistakenly label folk as "right-wing" > (the people in the US who normally bash Google) are seen as victims? > Does anyone on this list understand the irony involved here? anyone?? > For the record, Suresh was not removed for his ideas but was removed for the manner in which he attacked Riaz. The spirit of the list should be where dialogue is encouraged and there is an expected level of decorum expected of lists. There was a distinct pattern and whilst I had been dealing with the matter privately with Suresh, he was placed on last warning. > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" escribió: > Dear Carlos, > > That's an excellent question and one to which I do not have answers to. Does anyone have any inkling in regards to Carlos' question. > > My thoughts are that the information exists but remains with the IG Secretariat. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Carlos Vera Quintana wrote: >> Dear Sala: from previous IGF is there some documents or reports about number of participants or bandwidth used and other info that helps to develop this summary? >> >> Best >> >> >> Carlos Vera >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 08/01/2013, a las 4:36, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" escribió: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> This is a gentle reminder that we need to work towards developing a first Draft by the 15th January, 2013. There were some of you who had taken part in throwing in ideas and suggestions in the past and Schombe and I have consolidated these and you will find the summary below. >>> >>> If there are additional thoughts that you would like to add please advise. At the moment, Schombe is the only volunteer and if others would like to volunteer to help prepare the first Draft, kindly let us know. >>> >>> In the meantime, the IGC is encouraged to share ideas, suggestions about what we should raise in our submissions. >>> >>> Thank you for your cooperation. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sala >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> This is a summary of the discussions and a general status update. The consultations went into a recess on 26th November, 2012. I would encourage you to continue with the discussions on the topic. I would like to thank Baudouin Schombe for volunteering to help prepare this Summary. If there are any other volunteers who would like to help in formulating the first Draft, please let us know by responding to this thread. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Sala >>>> Summary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> IGF should run for 5 days instead of 4 >>>> Selection of Venue [Criteria for selection] >>>> IGF Secretariat needs to call for expressions of interest from Host countries in advance; >>>> Host countries should meet certain predetermined criteria; >>>> Criteria should include suitability of location -conference facilities, wifi access, open environment that enables discourse; >>>> Improvements to the MAG [see CSTD discussions on IGF improvements] >>>> Logistical support in terms of visa procurements >>>> Identification of location [accessibility challenges when held outside the City] >>>> >>>> Main Session >>>> Time spent on main sessions should be halved and reduced to a day >>>> Workshops are a sideshow, main sessions are the main event (or should be). Workshops and main sessions should not overlap . Lessons can be learnt from other Internet governance events such as APRICOT, which are scheduled in this way. >>>> Every main session needs to build upon or do anything substantive with the so-called feeder workshops. The content of plenaries/main sessions somehow reflect and build upon what has gone on before. >>>> Main Sessions should have deliverables such as Resolutions or outcomes. >>>> >>>> Planning for Workshops >>>> Proper Planning of pre-IGF events; >>>> Evaluation of existing criteria >>>> Focus on Quality >>>> Focus on Issues >>>> Gender balance; >>>> Regional representation; >>>> Multi-stakeholder balance; >>>> >>>> Logistical Support for People from Developing Countries >>>> Logistical Visa Support >>>> There should be balance between balancing participants access and country immigration policies. >>>> >>>> Internet Connectivity Policy (precondition for Host Countries) >>>> An onsite liaison officer from the Host Country’s ISP; >>>> Suitable redundancy plans; >>>> Dedicated Bandwidth to service 2000 people with 6000 devices (assuming that each person has 3 devices) >>>> Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; >>>> Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; >>>> A specialised Unit -Internet Infrastructure Team whose responsibilities should include facilitating the Policy; [Tender should be issued and this should be outsourced to professional vendor of conference networking services]; >>>> Service Level Agreement and standard of networking across events. >>>> >>>> Shift of Venue for MAG consultations without open consultations and impact on participation. >>>> At present, the IGF consultation and MAG are scheduled in the same week (13-17 May) as not on only the WSIS Forum, per usual, but also the ITU's World Telecom Policy Forum on global Internet governance. Were stakeholders with an interest in IG were precluded from attending the WTPF by this scheduling. >>>> >>>> SCHEDULE AND STATUS UPDATE >>>> >>>> Date Task Status >>>> 25 Nov 2012 Issue Notice to IGC and Gather Feedback >>>> Notice was issued and feedback is trickling in >>>> 15 Jan 2013 Formulate first Draft >>>> 16 Jan - 30 Jan 2013 Review first Draft and gather feedback >>>> 31 Jan - 5th Feb 2013 Produce 2nd Draft >>>> 6th Feb - 10th Feb 2013 Finalise Submissions from IGC >>>> 11th Feb 2013 Send to IGF Secretariat and representatives to MAG >>>> >>>> Volunteers >>>> >>>> >>>> Baudouin Schombe >>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> We need to start preparing for issues and topics that we would like raised by current MAG members. >>>>> >>>>> The Secretariat has put up a call for contributions on the IGF website inviting stakeholders to submit written contributions taking stock of the 2012 Baku meeting and inviting suggestions on the themes and format of the IGF 2013 meeting. The deadline for contributions is 14 February 2012. These inputs will be summarized in a synthesis paper that will act as an input into the discussions of the February meeting. >>>>> >>>>> The IGC Plan is as follows: >>>>> >>>>> 25 Nov 2012 - Issue Notice to IGC >>>>> >>>>> 25 Nov 2012 - 15 January, 2013 - Gather Feedback and formulate first draft >>>>> >>>>> 16-Jan -30 Jan 2013 - Review first Draft and gather feedback >>>>> >>>>> 31 Jan - 5th February 2013 - Produce 2nd Draft >>>>> 6th Feb - 10th February - Finalise submissions from IGC >>>>> 11th Feb - Send to IGF Secretariat and our representatives to the MAG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It will be great to start discussions on what some of the themes we would like canvassed. >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>>>> P.O. Box 17862 >>>>> Suva >>>>> Fiji >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @SalanietaT >>>>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>> Tel: +679 3544828 >>>>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>>> P.O. Box 17862 >>>> Suva >>>> Fiji >>>> >>>> Twitter: @SalanietaT >>>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> Tel: +679 3544828 >>>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> P.O. Box 17862 >>> Suva >>> Fiji >>> >>> Twitter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Tel: +679 3544828 >>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 08:08:00 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:08:00 -0500 Subject: [governance] a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sala, On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > As a matter of background, there were complaints received over the blase > attacks against persons and I had privately warned the "banned" subscriber > more than a couple of times. > > The banned "subscriber" was on last warning. Can you point to the anything that is even suggestive of an "attack" in the following: ------begin quote----- On 2013/01/06 06:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, giggling in church? And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where google got spanked by the FTC. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. Can we please 1. Have a reality check here 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance ----end quote-------- Suresh is correct here, your objectivity is in question. Terms like "US exceptionalism" "status-quoist" and "right-wing" are all freely used, despite it being made clear that they were insulting (as being wildly inaccurate and not applying to anyone on the list). Can you point to any specific words in the above mail that constitute an ad hominem attack? In any case, I request an appeal and ask that at least 3 other IGC members support an appeal of this decision. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 08:13:33 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:13:33 +1300 Subject: [governance] a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record, I have also from time to time had to privately address/confront subscribers/members of the IGC who hold all kinds of views and the issue was never their "views" but "personal attacks" or where there is "condescending behaviour" that detracts from constructive dialogue. It is a fine line and was not an isolated decision but one in a series of cumulative events and there have been previous complaints about the matter. Kind Regards, Sala On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:08 AM, McTim wrote: > Sala, > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > As a matter of background, there were complaints received over the blase > > attacks against persons and I had privately warned the "banned" > subscriber > > more than a couple of times. > > > > The banned "subscriber" was on last warning. > > Can you point to the anything that is even suggestive of an "attack" > in the following: > > ------begin quote----- > > On 2013/01/06 06:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google > search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting > every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, > giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have > actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? > Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements > from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where > google got spanked by the FTC. > > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# > is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about > how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > ----end quote-------- > > Suresh is correct here, your objectivity is in question. Terms like > "US exceptionalism" "status-quoist" and "right-wing" are all freely > used, despite it being made clear that they were insulting (as being > wildly inaccurate and not applying to anyone on the list). > > Can you point to any specific words in the above mail that constitute > an ad hominem attack? > > In any case, I request an appeal and ask that at least 3 other IGC > members support an appeal of this decision. > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 08:18:15 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:18:15 -0500 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >> Suresh gets booted from this list for >> trying to say that anti-Google campaign is boring, while those who >> mistakenly label folk as "right-wing" >> (the people in the US who normally bash Google) are seen as victims? >> Does anyone on this list understand the irony involved here? anyone?? > > > For the record, Suresh was not removed for his ideas but was removed for the > manner in which he attacked Riaz. Can you specify the manner of this "attack"? What exact words constituted an "attack"? Riaz has a history of using loaded words. This provocation is unchallenged by the coordinators. Suresh has a long history of doing actual, productive Internet governance in the technical community. The spirit of the list should be where > dialogue is encouraged and there is an expected level of decorum expected of > lists. There was a distinct pattern Yes, there is a pattern, it's not however the pattern that you see. The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. People react to those words in like manner. The provocatuer then cries "ad hominem" and you react to that. In short, you are being conned madame, and i ask that you re-consider your decision. I ask that 4 other Members of the caucus +1 the request for an appeal. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ivarhartmann at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 08:28:02 2013 From: ivarhartmann at gmail.com (Ivar A. M. Hartmann) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:28:02 -0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: The fact that one list member uses provocative words does not make it impossible for the addressee to do anything other than retort with more provocation. For one, provocative language isn't in itself a personal attack. And if it were indeed a case of personal attack, I believe most list members would call for action by the moderators rather than respond with inappropriate posts. I trust Sala is responsibly fulfilling her duties in the background, contacting list members directly and warning both provocateurs and the provoked who have gone over the line. Nevertheless, in order to relieve her of the burden of being the sole responsible for a member ban, I support your call for an appeal, McTim. Best, Ivar On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, McTim wrote: > The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. > People react to those words in like manner. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: In the interest of fairness I also support an appeal. As Ivar says an appeal will relieve the burden of one person being responsible for this decision. Without knowing all the details I do not know if I support returning the subscriber or not. I do support an appeal to determine if the correct decision was made. Kerry Brown From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ivar A. M. Hartmann Sent: January-08-13 5:28 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! The fact that one list member uses provocative words does not make it impossible for the addressee to do anything other than retort with more provocation. For one, provocative language isn't in itself a personal attack. And if it were indeed a case of personal attack, I believe most list members would call for action by the moderators rather than respond with inappropriate posts. I trust Sala is responsibly fulfilling her duties in the background, contacting list members directly and warning both provocateurs and the provoked who have gone over the line. Nevertheless, in order to relieve her of the burden of being the sole responsible for a member ban, I support your call for an appeal, McTim. Best, Ivar On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, McTim > wrote: The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. People react to those words in like manner. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Tue Jan 8 08:50:58 2013 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:50:58 +0100 Subject: [governance] banning list members In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50EC2442.9070504@wzb.eu> Hi McTim, I fully support Sala's decision re temporary banning Suresh from this list. Whether or not a member of this caucus contributes "actual, productive Internet governance in the technical community" seems pretty irrelevant for the assessment of the communication style of this member. I've been on this list since 2003 or so and was its co-coordinator for a few years. I have always found the communication culture on this list a real pain. An enormous amount of energy among the active participants seems to be wasted on being aggressive or fending off aggressive behaviour. I have more or less given up contributing to these debates not only because I dislike this macho "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" approach but also because following these endless repetitions of the same arguments is very very tiresome. While it may be true that there are more candidates than just Sala who deserves being banned from this list, Sala deserves respect for the fact that she is still trying to improve this very important communication environment. I have always felt that this cross-stakeholder platform fulfills a very important function for the interaction between civil society and the technical community and I wished that more people helped creating an atmosphere that makes this conversation a pleasure. jeanette Am 08.01.2013 14:18, schrieb McTim: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> >>> Suresh gets booted from this list for >>> trying to say that anti-Google campaign is boring, while those who >>> mistakenly label folk as "right-wing" >>> (the people in the US who normally bash Google) are seen as victims? >>> Does anyone on this list understand the irony involved here? anyone?? >> >> >> For the record, Suresh was not removed for his ideas but was removed for the >> manner in which he attacked Riaz. > > Can you specify the manner of this "attack"? What exact words > constituted an "attack"? > > Riaz has a history of using loaded words. This provocation is > unchallenged by the coordinators. > > Suresh has a long history of doing actual, productive Internet > governance in the technical community. > > > > The spirit of the list should be where >> dialogue is encouraged and there is an expected level of decorum expected of >> lists. There was a distinct pattern > > Yes, there is a pattern, it's not however the pattern that you see. > The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. > People react to those words in like manner. The provocatuer then > cries "ad hominem" and you react to that. > > In short, you are being conned madame, and i ask that you re-consider > your decision. > > I ask that 4 other Members of the caucus +1 the request for an appeal. > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue Jan 8 11:04:11 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:34:11 +0530 Subject: [governance] Internet principles and IGF 8 In-Reply-To: <50EC4266.1020800@itforchange.net> References: <50EC4266.1020800@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <50EC437B.20904@itforchange.net> Concerning IGC's submission for IGF 8 theme, program etc, please see below the email I just now wrote to the Internet right and principles coalition. I suggest that IGC supports the IRP coalition in making these submissions - (1) of organising/ sponsoring a round table on Internet principles (which IGC can cosponsor) (2) proposing that Internet principles be considered as the overall theme of the next IGF. Maybe something more descriptive as - 'public interest principles for the Internet' or 'Shaping global principles for the Internet'. parminder -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [IRPCoalition] Internet principles and IGF 8 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:29:34 +0530 From: parminder To: irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org Hi All Pursuant to the matter of my post Baku email below, I suggest that the IRP group makes a submission to the MAG meeting in Feb offering to sponsor a round table on Internet principles. We should also propose that Internet principles be considered as the overall theme of the next IGF. Maybe something more descriptive as - 'public interest principles for the Internet' or 'Shaping global principles for the Internet' .... parminder > > > On Sunday 11 November 2012 10:24 PM, parminder wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> During the main session on emerging issues and going aheadat the IGF, >> there was a section on developing Internet principles. (This main >> session ran at the same time as the meeting of the IRP or Internet >> Rights and Principles dynamic coalition and therefore I could not >> attend the later and am looking forward to a report of the same.) >> >> At this main session, proposals were solicited from the floor on ways >> to take forward the task of developing some kind of Internet >> principles at the IGF. I proposed a more bottom up strategy then the >> MAG centred strategy that was being proposed by many/most on the >> panel. What I proposed was as below. >> >> 1. I sought a round table on Internet principles to be held at the >> next IGF. I took the liberty to offer on the behalf of the IRP >> dynamic coalition to organise such a round table. >> >> 2. In the development of the agenda of IGF 7, significant prominence >> be given to the issue of Internet principles, including possibly >> inviting all parties early to contribute to building a Internet >> principles developing environment at the IGF. We may even seek to get >> this idea into the overall theme of the net IGF. (I am adding this >> last suggestion only now.) >> >> parminder >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > IRP mailing list > IRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org > http://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/irp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Jan 8 11:08:14 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:08:14 -0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes to Carry the Day - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: <50EBD0F8.90507@gmail.com> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EA5D30.10508@ITforChange.net> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD22F8237@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <50EBD0F8.90507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50EC446E.2010805@cafonso.ca> Hmmm... I think is more simple (yes, Milton is a neoliberal etc etc :)). If it were possible, do a survey with twitteres or facebookers and ask them whether they would leave these services if they felt their privacy was being somehow violated or they felt they had been encased in a filter bubble. I bet nearly all would not. You do not just leave Facebook -- it is not a simplistic question of choice like choosing a chocolate bar. On the other hand, the same filter bubble space may be penetrable by diverse agents. Yes, filter bubble is a quite workable concept (I liked the book) -- the main challenge is to establish what the consequences are for the myriad participants, with their diverse visions and objectives, and how these visions and activism can, say, penetrate the "what-the-user-want-to-see" flows. In the Brazilian case, until the social nets provided by these "free" private services took hold, the traditional corporate, partidarized media always had their say in electoral processes. Today, with the reach of social media and activism in this space, things have become quite different, and the opposition coalition which once relied entirely on the big traditional media juggernaut is now desperately seeking solutions to the "democratization of information" that activists manage to circulate through these social nets. We are in a quite complex terrain here. :) --c.a. On 01/08/2013 05:55 AM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > > On 2013/01/07 10:13 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: >> Guru, if you get badly personalized results from Google without asking >> for it, what is to stop you from not using Google? > > The problem with this kind of analysis of "consumer choice" analysis is > that it is theoretically grounded in the neo-classical and/or neoliberal > economic theory. So let us look at what this says: > > 1. If consumers have choices, then there is not a problem > 2. Consumers have choice NOT if there is a real choice (i.e. apples to > apples) but if the market per se is contestable (Contestable Markets > theory) - which is in part why oligopolies can be theoretically > tolerated in anti-trust law (abuse of dominant position etc) > 3. Government interventions are presumptively bad. Private initiatives > (except for fraud and -as defined by law and action- anti-competitive > behaviour). > > Now what is the problem with this? > > 1. Consumer choice is elevated as a moral/ethical good, in spite of > practical realities: there may be qualitative issues related choices > that are NOT available (i.e. market failures) > 2. The theory has an internal contradiction. Contestable Markets are > fine, but yet almost all the analysis makes use of Alfred Marshall's > representative firm. What is a representative firm as compared to a > "real" firm? It does not have the observable tendency to "first mover" > advantage or to reap the benefits of economies of scale. In other words > the theory used to justify consumer choice ab initio excludes the > advantages that flow to Google from first mover (with a great algorithm) > and the consequent economies of scale. > > Therefore, if one excludes these relevant tendencies from the analysis, > well then one is not saying much. > > While consumer choice may be a relevant approach in the > North(tactically), it has its limits in terms of theory and of context. > Analogously In the UK something as banal as supermarkets were found to > have a dominant market position when they controlled about 4% of the > market (i.e. sufficient to have upstream and downstream negative effects). > > Now if one were to let reality impact on the theory/ideology, then > perhaps we can chat. I mean this whole notion of consumer choice is > aptly illustrated by the US crisis. Of course, you could have any > Mortgage Backed Security you want - there was consumer choice - and that > did not detract from the fact that the entire operation was hoopla. As > spokesperson for this neoclassical theory Alan Greenspan said he was > "shocked" that market participants breached their duties and took on the > reputational risk (in a market governed by fides). Of course if he had > been open to other ideas, then he might have seen this coming. > > But in the North (with my limited experience) the adage, 'in the land of > the blind, the one eyed is king', more like "in the land of the blind, > the one eyed is mad". > > Welcome to the mad world of heterodox economics... > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From george.sadowsky at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:10:00 2013 From: george.sadowsky at gmail.com (George Sadowsky) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:10:00 -0500 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: I support an appeal also. On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Kerry Brown wrote: > In the interest of fairness I also support an appeal. As Ivar says an appeal will relieve the burden of one person being responsible for this decision. Without knowing all the details I do not know if I support returning the subscriber or not. I do support an appeal to determine if the correct decision was made. > > Kerry Brown > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ivar A. M. Hartmann > Sent: January-08-13 5:28 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim > Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! > > The fact that one list member uses provocative words does not make it impossible for the addressee to do anything other than retort with more provocation. For one, provocative language isn't in itself a personal attack. And if it were indeed a case of personal attack, I believe most list members would call for action by the moderators rather than respond with inappropriate posts. > > I trust Sala is responsibly fulfilling her duties in the background, contacting list members directly and warning both provocateurs and the provoked who have gone over the line. Nevertheless, in order to relieve her of the burden of being the sole responsible for a member ban, I support your call for an appeal, McTim. > > Best, > Ivar > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, McTim wrote: > The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. > People react to those words in like manner. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Jan 8 11:12:43 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:12:43 -0200 Subject: [governance] a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50EC457B.2030101@cafonso.ca> My general impression is that if we are not fair and reasonable these restrictions may end up banning politics from the IGC discussions... let us then talk soccer, chat about Messi's polka-dot suit and things like that... --c.a. On 01/08/2013 11:08 AM, McTim wrote: > Sala, > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> As a matter of background, there were complaints received over the blase >> attacks against persons and I had privately warned the "banned" subscriber >> more than a couple of times. >> >> The banned "subscriber" was on last warning. > > Can you point to the anything that is even suggestive of an "attack" > in the following: > > ------begin quote----- > > On 2013/01/06 06:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > So do you get all your news from just news.google.com and other google > search results, instead of Facebook shares, Riaz gleefully posting > every article he sees about google being investigated for, say, > giggling in church? > > And did Riaz find this news item anywhere other than google search? > > And does this reality distortion field google is supposed to have > actually hide any search results from you that are negative to it? > Like search for "google FTC" and you get the EU action, statements > from Microsoft slamming the decision etc. > > And the last link on page 1 of the search results showing just where > google got spanked by the FTC. > http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111650/why-does-everyone-think-google-beat-the-ftc# > is worth a read as a kind f counterpoint to all the commentary about > how google got a get out of jail card because of intensive lobbying. > > Can we please > > 1. Have a reality check here > 2. Go back to discussing Internet governance > > ----end quote-------- > > Suresh is correct here, your objectivity is in question. Terms like > "US exceptionalism" "status-quoist" and "right-wing" are all freely > used, despite it being made clear that they were insulting (as being > wildly inaccurate and not applying to anyone on the list). > > Can you point to any specific words in the above mail that constitute > an ad hominem attack? > > In any case, I request an appeal and ask that at least 3 other IGC > members support an appeal of this decision. > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue Jan 8 11:26:17 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:26:17 -0500 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> Hi, One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests the people they did not choose. Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me in any way. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Jan 8 11:28:47 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:28:47 -0200 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> Message-ID: <50EC493F.5020103@cafonso.ca> Avri, that list should be reposted here I guess. Several people joined IGC after that process. frt rgds --c.a. On 01/08/2013 02:26 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. > > This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests the people they did not choose. > > Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me in any way. > > avri > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Tue Jan 8 11:28:56 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:28:56 -0500 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20287354-301A-44BF-BD42-A79CECAF8A3D@ella.com> +1 On 8 Jan 2013, at 11:10, George Sadowsky wrote: > I support an appeal also. > > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Kerry Brown wrote: > >> In the interest of fairness I also support an appeal. As Ivar says an appeal will relieve the burden of one person being responsible for this decision. Without knowing all the details I do not know if I support returning the subscriber or not. I do support an appeal to determine if the correct decision was made. >> >> Kerry Brown >> >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ivar A. M. Hartmann >> Sent: January-08-13 5:28 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim >> Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! >> >> The fact that one list member uses provocative words does not make it impossible for the addressee to do anything other than retort with more provocation. For one, provocative language isn't in itself a personal attack. And if it were indeed a case of personal attack, I believe most list members would call for action by the moderators rather than respond with inappropriate posts. >> >> I trust Sala is responsibly fulfilling her duties in the background, contacting list members directly and warning both provocateurs and the provoked who have gone over the line. Nevertheless, in order to relieve her of the burden of being the sole responsible for a member ban, I support your call for an appeal, McTim. >> >> Best, >> Ivar >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, McTim wrote: >> The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. >> People react to those words in like manner. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sergioalvesjunior at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:29:48 2013 From: sergioalvesjunior at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Alves_Jr=2E?=) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:29:48 -0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: ITRs/WCIT - Portuguese version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just noticed I sent the message to the wrong list address. Abraços, Sérgio ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sérgio Alves Jr. Date: 2012/12/21 Subject: ITRs/WCIT - Portuguese version To: governance Dear colleagues, Find attached an unofficial version of the ITRs translated into Portuguese language by Anatel (National Telecommunication Agency), from Brazil. It might be useful for some. Abraços, Sérgio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Regulamentos de Telecomunicações Internacionais - Portugues.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 216954 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue Jan 8 11:32:20 2013 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 01:32:20 +0900 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> Message-ID: I agree with this. The list is only 8 months old. And those who were selected from the list we proposed merit a bit more time. Would like to see the criteria those who accepted the caucus' nomination agreed to, and re-commitment of all to those criteria before their names are sent again. None has been particularly good at communicating to the caucus. Adam On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. > > This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests the people they did not choose. > > Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me in any way. > > avri > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue Jan 8 11:33:00 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:33:00 -0500 Subject: FW: [governance] [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61C99C15-0ECA-45D8-9B48-8B9CC809EF3E@acm.org> +1 On 8 Jan 2013, at 11:10, George Sadowsky wrote: > I support an appeal also. > > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Kerry Brown wrote: > >> In the interest of fairness I also support an appeal. As Ivar says an appeal will relieve the burden of one person being responsible for this decision. Without knowing all the details I do not know if I support returning the subscriber or not. I do support an appeal to determine if the correct decision was made. >> >> Kerry Brown >> >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ivar A. M. Hartmann >> Sent: January-08-13 5:28 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim >> Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! >> >> The fact that one list member uses provocative words does not make it impossible for the addressee to do anything other than retort with more provocation. For one, provocative language isn't in itself a personal attack. And if it were indeed a case of personal attack, I believe most list members would call for action by the moderators rather than respond with inappropriate posts. >> >> I trust Sala is responsibly fulfilling her duties in the background, contacting list members directly and warning both provocateurs and the provoked who have gone over the line. Nevertheless, in order to relieve her of the burden of being the sole responsible for a member ban, I support your call for an appeal, McTim. >> >> Best, >> Ivar >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, McTim wrote: >> The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. >> People react to those words in like manner. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:33:15 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:33:15 -0800 Subject: [governance] banning list members In-Reply-To: <50EC2442.9070504@wzb.eu> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> <50EC2442.9070504@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <007d01cdedbd$dccb5f50$96621df0$@gmail.com> FWIW, I host several e-lists (in the area of Community Informatics), some with up to about 1000 participants. In one form or another I've been hosting e-lists for almost 15 years. During that time I've had to warn and ban list contributors, not often but occasionally. >From my experience (and predilection) discussion and argument is good, good for the lists, generates new ideas, gets people engaged. What isn't good are personal attacks, innuendo, a condescending or snearing style of discourse, and so on. The worst form of list behaviour IMHO is for someone to repeatedly frame their interventions not in relation to the subject at hand but rather in relation to or directed against the individual who is making the intervention. In many cases those are deep personal communication styles that work okay in some environments but are deadly in others. An open multi-cultural (in the ethnic and in domain area senses) is one where they can be truly deadly. They close off rather than progress discussion, lead to tit-for-tat verbal ping pong, may be personally very hurtful or even damaging, and overall result in a reluctance by many to even participate since they don't want to subject themselves to the possibility of being the target for that kind of behaviour. In some of those instances a warning or two might lead to a change in behaviour. In others it doesn't because the temptation is too great, or the deeply engrained habits are too strong. For me, in my actions as list host, the ultimate question is whether the mode and content of participation by an individual is conducive to the long term health and well-being of the list/discussion (and ultimately of the contribution that the list is making to the subject at hand). If it isn't then I feel the need (and responsibility) to intervene. Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Jeanette Hofmann Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:51 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Subject: [governance] banning list members Hi McTim, I fully support Sala's decision re temporary banning Suresh from this list. Whether or not a member of this caucus contributes "actual, productive Internet governance in the technical community" seems pretty irrelevant for the assessment of the communication style of this member. I've been on this list since 2003 or so and was its co-coordinator for a few years. I have always found the communication culture on this list a real pain. An enormous amount of energy among the active participants seems to be wasted on being aggressive or fending off aggressive behaviour. I have more or less given up contributing to these debates not only because I dislike this macho "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" approach but also because following these endless repetitions of the same arguments is very very tiresome. While it may be true that there are more candidates than just Sala who deserves being banned from this list, Sala deserves respect for the fact that she is still trying to improve this very important communication environment. I have always felt that this cross-stakeholder platform fulfills a very important function for the interaction between civil society and the technical community and I wished that more people helped creating an atmosphere that makes this conversation a pleasure. jeanette Am 08.01.2013 14:18, schrieb McTim: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> >>> Suresh gets booted from this list for trying to say that >>> anti-Google campaign is boring, while those who mistakenly label >>> folk as "right-wing" >>> (the people in the US who normally bash Google) are seen as victims? >>> Does anyone on this list understand the irony involved here? anyone?? >> >> >> For the record, Suresh was not removed for his ideas but was removed >> for the manner in which he attacked Riaz. > > Can you specify the manner of this "attack"? What exact words > constituted an "attack"? > > Riaz has a history of using loaded words. This provocation is > unchallenged by the coordinators. > > Suresh has a long history of doing actual, productive Internet > governance in the technical community. > > > > The spirit of the list should be where >> dialogue is encouraged and there is an expected level of decorum >> expected of lists. There was a distinct pattern > > Yes, there is a pattern, it's not however the pattern that you see. > The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. > People react to those words in like manner. The provocatuer then > cries "ad hominem" and you react to that. > > In short, you are being conned madame, and i ask that you re-consider > your decision. > > I ask that 4 other Members of the caucus +1 the request for an appeal. > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nyangkweagien at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:37:54 2013 From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:37:54 +0100 Subject: [governance] banning list members In-Reply-To: <50EC2442.9070504@wzb.eu> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> <50EC2442.9070504@wzb.eu> Message-ID: I think, the decision would have been taken some 4 years ago. I quite remember Suresh unguarded language some four years ago leading to a heated debate on "intimation tactics" on this forum. Sala's is timely and merit support from all members who want convivial democratic debates not insults against fellow members. Aaron On 1/8/13, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Hi McTim, > > I fully support Sala's decision re temporary banning Suresh from this list. > > Whether or not a member of this caucus contributes "actual, productive > Internet governance in the technical community" seems pretty irrelevant > for the assessment of the communication style of this member. > > I've been on this list since 2003 or so and was its co-coordinator for a > few years. I have always found the communication culture on this list a > real pain. An enormous amount of energy among the active participants > seems to be wasted on being aggressive or fending off aggressive behaviour. > > I have more or less given up contributing to these debates not only > because I dislike this macho "if you can't stand the heat, get out of > the kitchen" approach but also because following these endless > repetitions of the same arguments is very very tiresome. > > While it may be true that there are more candidates than just Sala who > deserves being banned from this list, Sala deserves respect for the fact > that she is still trying to improve this very important communication > environment. I have always felt that this cross-stakeholder platform > fulfills a very important function for the interaction between civil > society and the technical community and I wished that more people helped > creating an atmosphere that makes this conversation a pleasure. > > jeanette > > > > Am 08.01.2013 14:18, schrieb McTim: >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> wrote: >>> >>>> Suresh gets booted from this list for >>>> trying to say that anti-Google campaign is boring, while those who >>>> mistakenly label folk as "right-wing" >>>> (the people in the US who normally bash Google) are seen as victims? >>>> Does anyone on this list understand the irony involved here? anyone?? >>> >>> >>> For the record, Suresh was not removed for his ideas but was removed for >>> the >>> manner in which he attacked Riaz. >> >> Can you specify the manner of this "attack"? What exact words >> constituted an "attack"? >> >> Riaz has a history of using loaded words. This provocation is >> unchallenged by the coordinators. >> >> Suresh has a long history of doing actual, productive Internet >> governance in the technical community. >> >> >> >> The spirit of the list should be where >>> dialogue is encouraged and there is an expected level of decorum expected >>> of >>> lists. There was a distinct pattern >> >> Yes, there is a pattern, it's not however the pattern that you see. >> The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. >> People react to those words in like manner. The provocatuer then >> cries "ad hominem" and you react to that. >> >> In short, you are being conned madame, and i ask that you re-consider >> your decision. >> >> I ask that 4 other Members of the caucus +1 the request for an appeal. >> > > -- Aaron Agien Nyangkwe Journalist-OutCome Mapper Special Assistant to The President ASAFE P.O.Box 5213 Douala-Cameroon Telephone +237 73 42 71 27 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:39:32 2013 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:39:32 -0600 Subject: [governance] Internet principles and IGF 8 In-Reply-To: <50EC437B.20904@itforchange.net> References: <50EC4266.1020800@itforchange.net> <50EC437B.20904@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I think this is something we should begin work on as soon as possible, as a priority topic. gp Ginger (Virginia) Paque VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu Diplo Foundation Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme www.diplomacy.edu/ig ** ** On 8 January 2013 10:04, parminder wrote: > > Concerning IGC's submission for IGF 8 theme, program etc, please see below > the email I just now wrote to the Internet right and principles coalition. > I suggest that IGC supports the IRP coalition in making these submissions - > > (1) of organising/ sponsoring a round table on Internet principles (which > IGC can cosponsor) > > (2) proposing that Internet principles be considered as the overall theme > of the next IGF. Maybe something more descriptive as - 'public interest > principles for the Internet' or 'Shaping global principles for the > Internet'. > > parminder > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [IRPCoalition] Internet > principles and IGF 8 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:29:34 +0530 From: parminder > To: > irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org > > Hi All > > Pursuant to the matter of my post Baku email below, I suggest that the IRP > group makes a submission to the MAG meeting in Feb offering to sponsor a > round table on Internet principles. We should also propose that Internet > principles be considered as the overall theme of the next IGF. Maybe > something more descriptive as - 'public interest principles for the > Internet' or 'Shaping global principles for the Internet' .... > > parminder > > > > On Sunday 11 November 2012 10:24 PM, parminder wrote: > > Dear All, > > During the main session on emerging issues and going ahead at the IGF, > there was a section on developing Internet principles. (This main session > ran at the same time as the meeting of the IRP or Internet Rights and > Principles dynamic coalition and therefore I could not attend the later and > am looking forward to a report of the same.) > > At this main session, proposals were solicited from the floor on ways to > take forward the task of developing some kind of Internet principles at the > IGF. I proposed a more bottom up strategy then the MAG centred strategy > that was being proposed by many/most on the panel. What I proposed was as > below. > > 1. I sought a round table on Internet principles to be held at the next > IGF. I took the liberty to offer on the behalf of the IRP dynamic coalition > to organise such a round table. > > 2. In the development of the agenda of IGF 7, significant prominence be > given to the issue of Internet principles, including possibly inviting all > parties early to contribute to building a Internet principles developing > environment at the IGF. We may even seek to get this idea into the overall > theme of the net IGF. (I am adding this last suggestion only now.) > > parminder > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IRP mailing listIRP at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.orghttp://lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/irp > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Jan 8 11:46:16 2013 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:46:16 -0200 Subject: FW: [governance] [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: <61C99C15-0ECA-45D8-9B48-8B9CC809EF3E@acm.org> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> <61C99C15-0ECA-45D8-9B48-8B9CC809EF3E@acm.org> Message-ID: <50EC4D58.9090202@cafonso.ca> +1 On 01/08/2013 02:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > +1 > > On 8 Jan 2013, at 11:10, George Sadowsky wrote: > >> I support an appeal also. >> >> >> On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Kerry Brown wrote: >> >>> In the interest of fairness I also support an appeal. As Ivar says an appeal will relieve the burden of one person being responsible for this decision. Without knowing all the details I do not know if I support returning the subscriber or not. I do support an appeal to determine if the correct decision was made. >>> >>> Kerry Brown >>> >>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ivar A. M. Hartmann >>> Sent: January-08-13 5:28 AM >>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim >>> Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! >>> >>> The fact that one list member uses provocative words does not make it impossible for the addressee to do anything other than retort with more provocation. For one, provocative language isn't in itself a personal attack. And if it were indeed a case of personal attack, I believe most list members would call for action by the moderators rather than respond with inappropriate posts. >>> >>> I trust Sala is responsibly fulfilling her duties in the background, contacting list members directly and warning both provocateurs and the provoked who have gone over the line. Nevertheless, in order to relieve her of the burden of being the sole responsible for a member ban, I support your call for an appeal, McTim. >>> >>> Best, >>> Ivar >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, McTim wrote: >>> The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. >>> People react to those words in like manner. >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ginger at paque.net Tue Jan 8 12:12:36 2013 From: ginger at paque.net (Ginger Paque) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:12:36 -0600 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> Message-ID: I support Avri and Adam's suggestion that we see if there is consensus to support the re-nomination of those we (the IGC) endorsed and who were chosen for the MAG in 2012. However, I do think we should limit the endorsement to those who re-nominate themselves, request the endorsement, and give a one-paragraph summary of their current intentions for the IGF process. This is a very important subject to address, and there is little time for the process. The IGC endorsement of MAG nominees is, in my opinion, a very important function of the IGC, which should have strong implications for IG and for the IGF if we choose well. In so short a time, I think it will be impossible to develop a perfect system, and we will be lucky to find one that is 'good enough'. Diplo is also seeking qualified MAG nominees and community consensus in an effort to encourage more widespread input into the MAG nomination process. Our announcement and invitation is pasted below. We encourage IGC and other nominees to join this process as well. Best regards, Ginger *Dear friends and colleagues, I wish you all a healthy and happy 2013, full of hope and the energy and inspiration to engage in Internet governance (IG). With the global events of last year, there is no doubt that the follow-up needs serious involvement by all stakeholders to maximise the resources and benefits afforded by a well-governed Internet. Many questions have been raised, few have been answered. DiploFoundation does not do advocacy work in IG; we work to strengthen informed multistakeholder participation, particularly from underrepresented groups and regions. This year, we again ask you to join us in supporting all stakeholder voices. One way to do this is to be involved in the selection of the Internet Governance Forum Multistakeholder Advisory Group (IGF MAG). UN Under-Secretary-General Mr Wu Hongbo has called for the submission of names of nominees for the renewed MAG. Full information can be found at http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/121-preparatory-process/1264-announcement-on-the-mag - Once again, we ask that you put your capability to use. If so inclined, volunteer to represent your countries and your communities; countries and communities that need more inclusive, multistakeholder global Internet governance. If you cannot serve yourself, please join in this process to encourage appropriate qualified people to step forward. After a short self-nomination period, we will ask this community to vote for candidates, and to vote whether to make a blanket recommendation to support those current MAG members who are eligible to, and willing to, serve again. Please note: current MAG members who are interested in continuing in the MAG are requested to re-nominate themselves to ensure their inclusion for consideration. Practically speaking, we want to encourage you to apply for a position on the IGF MAG if it is appropriate for you to do so. The deadline is short (20 January 2013), but we will again accelerate the process through an open call for inclusive governance. Here is the process: 1. Your application You are asked to submit your own application to the IGF secretariat, including a short biographical background, and the reasons why you think that you can contribute to the MAG, whom you can represent (in terms of communities, ideas, projects), and what you would like to achieve. Self-nomination is important: it indicates willingness and self-confidence; it has great legitimacy; and it is free from pressure, in the true spirit of volunteerism. If you have not already done so, you must submit your nomination by e-mail to magrenewal2013 at intgovforum.org using this submission template (also available from the IGF Secretariat’s website). You are also asked to complete the information at the bottom of this message, and post as a blog post on Diplo’s IG social community at www.diplointernetgovernance.org. 2. Community consensus All nominations posted on the community blog by midnight on 15 January, will be included in the Diplo poll which will open on January 16, following procedures to be posted soon. The entire Diplo community is encouraged to participate, to ensure the most complete community consensus possible.. Voting will close at midnight GMT on 19 January.The Diplo community results will be posted on the main blog at www.diplointernetgovernance.org (here) and sent to UN DESA on 20 January. 3. Final Diplo community recommendations (endorsements) will be calculated using the following criteria: 50% - results of poll 10% - experience in IG global policy processes, including efforts such as APC, IGC, Diplo discussions, regional work and other work. Please describe these activities in your post 10% - representation from least developed countries 10% - representation from small island states 10% - representation from countries never before represented on the MAG 10% - gender (to support gender balance and more women on the MAG) 4. Final list of five candidates We will send a final list of five candidates to the UN DESA, with the Diplo community’s recommendation/endorsement. This is independent of the possible endorsement of previous MAG members. Important: If you are selected, you will represent your organisation and your country. You will not represent Diplo. Diplo's role is simply to facilitate a more inclusive selection for the MAG. 5. Information to be posted: Full name: Gender: Nationality: Country of residence: Organisation: Stakeholder group: Background and/or experience in IG (50 words): Motivation and goals (50 words): Note: Nominees must have experience in previous WSIS/IGF processes, and have sufficient time to dedicate to duties as a MAG member. Several meetings will be held before the IGF 2013 in Bali. Discussions take place by e-mail during the whole year of tenure, and nominees must have time available to attend to this volume of discussions promptly. If you have any suggestions, feedback, or questions, please post them to www.diplointernetgovernance.org, or e-mail me at virginiap at diplomacy.edu. Good luck to all! Warm wishes, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu DiploFoundation * On 8 January 2013 10:32, Adam Peake wrote: > I agree with this. The list is only 8 months old. And those who were > selected from the list we proposed merit a bit more time. > > Would like to see the criteria those who accepted the caucus' > nomination agreed to, and re-commitment of all to those criteria > before their names are sent again. None has been particularly good at > communicating to the caucus. > > Adam > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Hi, > > > > One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus > agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not > all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. > > > > This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were > included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests > the people they did not choose. > > > > Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being > included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me > in any way. > > > > avri > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org Tue Jan 8 12:19:39 2013 From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:19:39 +0200 Subject: [governance] banning list members In-Reply-To: <007d01cdedbd$dccb5f50$96621df0$@gmail.com> References: <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> <50EC2442.9070504@wzb.eu> <007d01cdedbd$dccb5f50$96621df0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130108171939.GA19522@tarvainen.info> On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:33:15AM -0800, michael gurstein (gurstein at gmail.com) wrote: > FWIW, I host several e-lists (in the area of Community Informatics), > some with up to about 1000 participants. In one form or another I've > been hosting e-lists for almost 15 years. During that time I've had > to warn and ban list contributors, not often but occasionally. I've been around for a while, too. Can't remember the first time I've been hosting/moderating a list, but I've been participating in them since late 1980s. And I fully agree with this: > From my experience (and predilection) discussion and argument is > good, good for the lists, generates new ideas, gets people engaged. > What isn't good are personal attacks, innuendo, a condescending or > snearing style of discourse, and so on. Exactly. > In some of those instances a warning or two might lead to a change > in behaviour. In others it doesn't because the temptation is too > great, or the deeply engrained habits are too strong. Yes. There are, however, ways of dealing with the situation besides warning and then banning from the list. In particular, I've sometimes turned moderation flag on for the offender for a while, rejecting messages with personal attacks &c with "please rephrase that more politely" or similar. On some lists I've even set moderation on by default for new members until they've learned to adjust their messages to the culture of the list. It is more work for the moderator and still doesn't always work, of course, probably not even most of the time, but sometimes it does. I'm not saying it would solve the problem here, but it might be worth keeping in mind, as another tool in the moderator's toolbox. -- Tapani Tarvainen -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue Jan 8 13:03:24 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 13:03:24 -0500 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96852223-BE8C-4A61-A49F-5C8CB2EB87F5@acm.org> Does the text below: " • Criteria should include suitability of location -conference facilities, wifi access, open environment that enables discourse; " Include the lack of Free Expression such as the problem we had in Baku with the Secretariat being forced by the Host country to stop the distribution of certain kinds of printed matter. If so, we might want to be more explicit. We do not want a repeat of Baku this year. I think it is good for the IGF to go into countries run by repressive regimes (if we didn't we would not have many places to meet), but I also think it is necessary that the IGF should be a Freedom of Association and Expression zone. So that not only are all, including locals with an opinion, invited into the meeting, but that they are free to speak their piece. The IGF and other Ig organizations lose a lot of credibility each and every time they go into a repressed country and then just meekly accept the repression and silence dissidents. I personally have no problem with rules that say the only place people can distribute propaganda is at the propaganda booths and at relevant sessions - as long as this is applied to the host as well. avri On 8 Jan 2013, at 04:36, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > This is a gentle reminder that we need to work towards developing a first Draft by the 15th January, 2013. There were some of you who had taken part in throwing in ideas and suggestions in the past and Schombe and I have consolidated these and you will find the summary below. > > If there are additional thoughts that you would like to add please advise. At the moment, Schombe is the only volunteer and if others would like to volunteer to help prepare the first Draft, kindly let us know. > > In the meantime, the IGC is encouraged to share ideas, suggestions about what we should raise in our submissions. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > This is a summary of the discussions and a general status update. The consultations went into a recess on 26th November, 2012. I would encourage you to continue with the discussions on the topic. I would like to thank Baudouin Schombe for volunteering to help prepare this Summary. If there are any other volunteers who would like to help in formulating the first Draft, please let us know by responding to this thread. > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > Summary > > > > • IGF should run for 5 days instead of 4 > • Selection of Venue [Criteria for selection] > • IGF Secretariat needs to call for expressions of interest from Host countries in advance; > • Host countries should meet certain predetermined criteria; > • Criteria should include suitability of location -conference facilities, wifi access, open environment that enables discourse; > • Improvements to the MAG [see CSTD discussions on IGF improvements] > • Logistical support in terms of visa procurements > • Identification of location [accessibility challenges when held outside the City] > > • Main Session > • Time spent on main sessions should be halved and reduced to a day > • Workshops are a sideshow, main sessions are the main event (or should be). Workshops and main sessions should not overlap . Lessons can be learnt from other Internet governance events such as APRICOT, which are scheduled in this way. > • Every main session needs to build upon or do anything substantive with the so-called feeder workshops. The content of plenaries/main sessions somehow reflect and build upon what has gone on before. > • Main Sessions should have deliverables such as Resolutions or outcomes. > > • Planning for Workshops > • Proper Planning of pre-IGF events; > • Evaluation of existing criteria > • Focus on Quality > • Focus on Issues > • Gender balance; > • Regional representation; > • Multi-stakeholder balance; > > • Logistical Support for People from Developing Countries > • Logistical Visa Support > There should be balance between balancing participants access and country immigration policies. > > • Internet Connectivity Policy (precondition for Host Countries) > • An onsite liaison officer from the Host Country’s ISP; > • Suitable redundancy plans; > • Dedicated Bandwidth to service 2000 people with 6000 devices (assuming that each person has 3 devices) > • Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; > • Dedicated Bandwidth for remote participation; > • A specialised Unit -Internet Infrastructure Team whose responsibilities should include facilitating the Policy; [Tender should be issued and this should be outsourced to professional vendor of conference networking services]; > • Service Level Agreement and standard of networking across events. > > • Shift of Venue for MAG consultations without open consultations and impact on participation. > • At present, the IGF consultation and MAG are scheduled in the same week (13-17 May) as not on only the WSIS Forum, per usual, but also the ITU's World Telecom Policy Forum on global Internet governance. Were stakeholders with an interest in IG were precluded from attending the WTPF by this scheduling. > > SCHEDULE AND STATUS UPDATE > > Date Task Status > 25 Nov 2012 Issue Notice to IGC and Gather Feedback > Notice was issued and feedback is trickling in > 15 Jan 2013 Formulate first Draft > 16 Jan - 30 Jan 2013 Review first Draft and gather feedback > 31 Jan - 5th Feb 2013 Produce 2nd Draft > 6th Feb - 10th Feb 2013 Finalise Submissions from IGC > 11th Feb 2013 Send to IGF Secretariat and representatives to MAG > > Volunteers > > > Baudouin Schombe > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > We need to start preparing for issues and topics that we would like raised by current MAG members. > > The Secretariat has put up a call for contributions on the IGF website inviting stakeholders to submit written contributions taking stock of the 2012 Baku meeting and inviting suggestions on the themes and format of the IGF 2013 meeting. The deadline for contributions is 14 February 2012. These inputs will be summarized in a synthesis paper that will act as an input into the discussions of the February meeting. > > The IGC Plan is as follows: > > 25 Nov 2012 - Issue Notice to IGC > > 25 Nov 2012 - 15 January, 2013 - Gather Feedback and formulate first draft > > 16-Jan -30 Jan 2013 - Review first Draft and gather feedback > > 31 Jan - 5th February 2013 - Produce 2nd Draft > 6th Feb - 10th February - Finalise submissions from IGC > 11th Feb - Send to IGF Secretariat and our representatives to the MAG > > > It will be great to start discussions on what some of the themes we would like canvassed. > > Warm Regards > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. Box 17862 > Suva > Fiji > > Twitter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Tel: +679 3544828 > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 13:23:56 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 13:23:56 -0500 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. +1 -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 13:38:13 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:38:13 -0800 Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] BBC News - France tells internet service provider to end Google and other ads block Message-ID: <011901cdedcf$51aa2250$f4fe66f0$@gmail.com> Interesting sets of developments. And, (again) FWIW I should say that I would not wish my comments or posts to be taken as "Google-bashing". As a company, Google's products have made huge contributions to global well-being and dare I say, the global public interest. Including through their pursuit of their mission to be the cataloguer (and ultimately portal) through which the world organizes and accesses its information. That being said, and largely because of their success in the pursuit of their mission and their effectiveness as a company they have become a dominant agent in an area that I consider crucial to our collective global well-being--the pursuit, organization and use of knowledge. It is precisely because of that success that they need to held to account and scrutinized for their behaviours rather more than their lesser (and less significant) corporate colleagues. As well, they are now one of a small set of companies with predominant influence in the Internet economy and thus in the overall Internet ecology. Again because of that predominant role they (like the other companies in that ecology) need to be held to public account for their behaviours ethical, as well as legal. I think that it is our role and responsibility as civil society concerned from a normative perspective with the overall "governance" of the Internet to discuss and call out as necessary Google (and other similarly predominant companies or governments or multilateral institutions or whoever) when their actions or the effects of their actions would appear to be damaging or a threat to the global public interest. Isn't this precisely what civil society should be doing? Mike http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20943779 France tells internet service provider to end ads block 8 January 2013 Last updated at 12:59 GMT Free signFree has argued that Google does not pay its fair share A major French internet service provider (ISP) has agreed to abandon its ad-blocking policy - seen as a swipe against Google - after a minister intervened. Digital Economy minister Fleur Pellerin said she persuaded Free to restore full access to all content on the internet, including Google ads. Free started blocking ads last week when it updated home router software. It was seen as forcing Google to pay its fair share to service providers. The French minister said: "No actor can jeopardise the digital ecosystem in a unilateral way." Free has argued in the past that Google does not pay its way when ISPs are forced to increase investment in running services like YouTube, which take up a lot of bandwidth. Google's AdServe online advertising software - which allows online businesses to target their audiences in exchange for a share of the advertising profits - is used on many websites. 'Cuckoo bird' Philippe Jannet, the former president of Geste, the French online publishers association, said that when operators "see Google come in like a cuckoo bird and make profit off the internet service they provide without receiving a penny in return, it's normal that they get mad". The move by Free - France's second biggest ISP with more than five million subscribers - would have cost Google up to one million euros every day, a source told news agency AFP. "That's what would push the giant to speak to the little operator," he added. Ms Pellerin said she did not have an estimate yet of the financial impact from the fallout. She has scheduled a meeting with Google about Free's actions. A Free spokeswoman declined to comment on the matter. 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So I do think we need to nominate additional names as well and don't see it as impossible to do so. However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I separately send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the Nomcom? (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use that for nominations - is there another process I should follow or Thomas can you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS members? Ian Peter -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG Hi, One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests the people they did not choose. Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me in any way. avri ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Tue Jan 8 14:07:47 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:07:47 +1100 Subject: [governance] banning list members In-Reply-To: <20130108171939.GA19522@tarvainen.info> References: <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> <50EC2442.9070504@wzb.eu> <007d01cdedbd$dccb5f50$96621df0$@gmail.com> <20130108171939.GA19522@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: <6567DE12773047CFA2D03025709BDF42@Toshiba> As a member of the appeals team, I have seen more than 4 list contributors say they think there should be an appeal against the decision to ban SRS, (and a number of others express different opinions) but I havent yet seen a wording of an appeal including grounds for an appeal. I think if there is to be an appeal the requirement is for four people to "co-sign a statement" If that happens, and I guess the form could be quite minimal, the appeals team will need to consider this matter. But currently, I think we are waiting for something more structured than disagreement with the co-ordinators decision before the appeals team can consider the matter (just my personal opinion, perhaps if other appeals team members think there is a valid appeal already we should convene but I think we are not there yet) Ian Peter -----Original Message----- From: Tapani Tarvainen Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 4:19 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] banning list members On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:33:15AM -0800, michael gurstein (gurstein at gmail.com) wrote: > FWIW, I host several e-lists (in the area of Community Informatics), > some with up to about 1000 participants. In one form or another I've > been hosting e-lists for almost 15 years. During that time I've had > to warn and ban list contributors, not often but occasionally. I've been around for a while, too. Can't remember the first time I've been hosting/moderating a list, but I've been participating in them since late 1980s. And I fully agree with this: > From my experience (and predilection) discussion and argument is > good, good for the lists, generates new ideas, gets people engaged. > What isn't good are personal attacks, innuendo, a condescending or > snearing style of discourse, and so on. Exactly. > In some of those instances a warning or two might lead to a change > in behaviour. In others it doesn't because the temptation is too > great, or the deeply engrained habits are too strong. Yes. There are, however, ways of dealing with the situation besides warning and then banning from the list. In particular, I've sometimes turned moderation flag on for the offender for a while, rejecting messages with personal attacks &c with "please rephrase that more politely" or similar. On some lists I've even set moderation on by default for new members until they've learned to adjust their messages to the culture of the list. It is more work for the moderator and still doesn't always work, of course, probably not even most of the time, but sometimes it does. I'm not saying it would solve the problem here, but it might be worth keeping in mind, as another tool in the moderator's toolbox. -- Tapani Tarvainen ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:35:41 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:35:41 -0500 Subject: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ian (and all), Our charter does not specify that "grounds" for an appeal need to be listed AFAICS, but here is one:: There was no "ad hominem" attack in the email that caused the complainant to complain. Our charter says: Posting Rules for the IGC Messages to any IGC list must be in line with the mission of the IGC, particularly its purpose to provide an open and effective forum for civil society to share opinion, policy options and expertise on Internet governance issues, and to provide a mechanism for coordination of advocacy for agreed upon policies and to enhance the utilization and influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy processes of organizations or fora dealing with Internet Governance issues. Appropriate messages to an IGC list contribute to the objectives and tasks of the IGC, particularly: * To inform civil society and other progressive groups or actors on significant developments impacting on Internet governance policies. * To anticipate, identify and address emerging issues in the areas of Internet governance and help shape issues and perspectives in a manner that is informed by the stated vision of the IGC * To develop common positions on issues relating to Internet governance policies, and make outreach efforts both for informing and for creating broad-based support among other CS groups and individuals for such positions. The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:  refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander  refrain from offensive or discriminating language  refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on list or off list  refrain from excessive and repetitive posting Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include  Unsolicited bulk e-mail  Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and objectives  Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the general subject  Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause an IGC list to become a hostile environment The actions of the banned member did not breach any of the above, in fact, IIRC, he was trying to keep us on the IG track, and not to get us OT. I hope that the 4 people who supported the call for an appeal earlier today (and others) can support these grounds. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:47 AM, McTim wrote: > All, > > Our charter says: > > "Duties of the appeals team. > > Any time 4 individual members of the IGC co-sign a statement on the > main IGC mailing list they can appeal any decision of the > coordinators. When a decision is appealed, the appeals team will > review any discussions that occurred and will request comments from > the IGC membership. Based on the information they collect and > discussion, they will decide on the merit of the appeal. > Decisions by the appeals team are based on a majority vote of the > appeal team, i.e., three (3) or ore votes, except in the case of > coordinator recall which requires full consensus. > The decision of the appeals team will be final on every decision reviewed." > > I hereby call on the appeals team to activate this process on the > subject of the recent decision to remove SRS from the mailing list. > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ivarhartmann at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:41:43 2013 From: ivarhartmann at gmail.com (Ivar A. M. Hartmann) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:41:43 -0200 Subject: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I support these grounds for appeal. Ivar On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM, McTim wrote: > There was no "ad hominem" attack in the email that caused the > complainant to complain. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:57:14 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:57:14 +1300 Subject: FW: [governance] [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! In-Reply-To: <50EC4D58.9090202@cafonso.ca> References: <0ce601cdea8e$00308d90$0091a8b0$@gmail.com> <50E7F9B9.9070308@itforchange.net> <104701cdeb79$fcdb8ef0$f692acd0$@gmail.com> <50E99AB8.7080109@gmail.com> <129601cdec2b$2b36e860$81a4b920$@gmail.com> <7B42A9ED-878A-4DCA-A65C-9B8D9D555DB9@hserus.net> <50EBD342.7080705@gmail.com> <61C99C15-0ECA-45D8-9B48-8B9CC809EF3E@acm.org> <50EC4D58.9090202@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: This is to advise that since this is now officially in the hands of the Appeal Team. On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > +1 > > > On 01/08/2013 02:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> +1 >> >> On 8 Jan 2013, at 11:10, George Sadowsky wrote: >> >> I support an appeal also. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Kerry Brown wrote: >>> >>> In the interest of fairness I also support an appeal. As Ivar says an >>>> appeal will relieve the burden of one person being responsible for this >>>> decision. Without knowing all the details I do not know if I support >>>> returning the subscriber or not. I do support an appeal to determine if the >>>> correct decision was made. >>>> >>>> Kerry Brown >>>> >>>> From: governance-request at lists.**igcaucus.org[mailto: >>>> governance-request@**lists.igcaucus.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Ivar A. M. Hartmann >>>> Sent: January-08-13 5:28 AM >>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim >>>> Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] Google's Lawyers Work Behind the >>>> Scenes : FOR THE RECORD! >>>> >>>> The fact that one list member uses provocative words does not make it >>>> impossible for the addressee to do anything other than retort with more >>>> provocation. For one, provocative language isn't in itself a personal >>>> attack. And if it were indeed a case of personal attack, I believe most >>>> list members would call for action by the moderators rather than respond >>>> with inappropriate posts. >>>> >>>> I trust Sala is responsibly fulfilling her duties in the background, >>>> contacting list members directly and warning both provocateurs and the >>>> provoked who have gone over the line. Nevertheless, in order to relieve her >>>> of the burden of being the sole responsible for a member ban, I support >>>> your call for an appeal, McTim. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Ivar >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:18 AM, McTim wrote: >>>> The pattern is that one person uses provocative words. >>>> People react to those words in like manner. >>>> >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Tue Jan 8 15:21:52 2013 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:21:52 -0500 Subject: [governance] a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: support avri On 8 Jan 2013, at 14:41, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote: > I support these grounds for appeal. > > Ivar > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM, McTim wrote: > There was no "ad hominem" attack in the email that caused the > complainant to complain. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue Jan 8 15:25:31 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:25:31 -0500 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 2013, at 00:57, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 08/01/13 13:32, Fatima Cambronero wrote: >> 2013/1/8 Jeremy Malcolm >> If you don't want to vote for either, don't vote for either. >> >> It's not possible because if you don't choose any options the survey says: >> >> “One or more mandatory questions have not been answered. You cannot proceed until these have been completed” > > True, but it still records your incomplete submission if you exit at that point. > I assume this is only if you exit choosing the 'resume' later field. and not if you exit and clear the survey. In any case, I really beleive we need at least an abstain option. or maybe just a choice of whether one wants to proceed to the election. something more than overwhelming ambiguity that seems to force people to choose one or another of the candidates. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kerry at kdbsystems.com Tue Jan 8 15:35:31 2013 From: kerry at kdbsystems.com (Kerry Brown) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:35:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I support this. Kerry Brown On 2013-01-08 11:35 AM, "McTim" wrote: >Ian (and all), > >Our charter does not specify that "grounds" for an appeal need to be >listed AFAICS, but here is one:: > >There was no "ad hominem" attack in the email that caused the >complainant to complain. > > >Our charter says: > >Posting Rules for the IGC > >Messages to any IGC list must be in line with the mission of the IGC, >particularly its purpose to provide an open and effective forum for >civil society to share opinion, policy options and expertise on >Internet governance issues, and to provide a mechanism for >coordination of advocacy for agreed upon policies and to enhance the >utilization and influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in >relevant policy processes of organizations or fora dealing with >Internet Governance issues. >Appropriate messages to an IGC list contribute to the objectives and >tasks of the IGC, particularly: > >* To inform civil society and other progressive groups or actors on >significant developments impacting on Internet governance policies. >* To anticipate, identify and address emerging issues in the areas of >Internet governance and help shape issues and perspectives in a manner >that is informed by the stated vision of the IGC >* To develop common positions on issues relating to Internet >governance policies, and make outreach efforts both for informing and >for creating broad-based support among other CS groups and individuals >for such positions. > >The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including: > refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander > refrain from offensive or discriminating language > refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on list or >off list > refrain from excessive and repetitive posting > >Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include > Unsolicited bulk e-mail > Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and objectives > Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the general >subject > Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause an IGC >list to become a hostile environment > > >The actions of the banned member did not breach any of the above, in >fact, IIRC, he was trying to >keep us on the IG track, and not to get us OT. > >I hope that the 4 people who supported the call for an appeal earlier >today (and others) can support these grounds. > > >-- >Cheers, > >McTim >"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:47 AM, McTim wrote: >> All, >> >> Our charter says: >> >> "Duties of the appeals team. >> >> Any time 4 individual members of the IGC co-sign a statement on the >> main IGC mailing list they can appeal any decision of the >> coordinators. When a decision is appealed, the appeals team will >> review any discussions that occurred and will request comments from >> the IGC membership. Based on the information they collect and >> discussion, they will decide on the merit of the appeal. >> Decisions by the appeals team are based on a majority vote of the >> appeal team, i.e., three (3) or ore votes, except in the case of >> coordinator recall which requires full consensus. >> The decision of the appeals team will be final on every decision >>reviewed." >> >> I hereby call on the appeals team to activate this process on the >> subject of the recent decision to remove SRS from the mailing list. >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Tue Jan 8 16:34:05 2013 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 16:34:05 -0500 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations In-Reply-To: <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> Message-ID: <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> Ian, My records indicate that the MAG nominees as selected on February 24, 2012 were: * Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan * Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan * Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina * Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) * Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) * Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada * Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda with: * Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan * Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) * Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda serving on the 2012 MAG. As per http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- the 2012 MAG members were. Multistakeholder Advisory Group - List of Members - 2012 * *Mr. Aizu, Izumi * Tokyo, Japan - Senior Research Fellow and Professor, Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University * *Ms. Aguerre, Carolina * Buenos Aires, Argentina - General Manager, Latin America and Carribean TLD Association (LACTLD) * *Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai * Kuwait City, Kuwait - Deputy Chairman, Kuwait Information Technology Society * *Mr. Ataho, Collins * Kampala, Uganda - Internet Technical Support, Orange Uganda * *Ms. Betancourt, Valeria * Quito, Ecuador - Communication and Information Policy Programme Manager, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * *Ms. Bommelaer, Constance * Geneva, Switzerland- Director, Public Policy, Internet Society (ISOC) * *Mr. Brueggeman, Jeff * Washington DC, USA - Vice President - Public Policy and deputy Chief Privacy Officer, AT&T * *Ms. Cavalli, Olga del Carmen* Buenos Aires, Argentina - Adviser for technology, Ministry of Foreign Affairs * *Mr. Carvell, Mark * London, United Kingdom - Special Adviser and Executive Coordinator, Global Internet Governance Policy, Department for Culture, Media and Sport * *Ms. Cretu, Veronica * Chisinau, Moldova – President, CMB Training Center * *Mr. Dengo, Manuel* Geneva, Switzerland - Ambassador Permanent Representative, Permanent Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations Office at Geneva * *Mr. Dewapura, Reshan * Colombo, Sri Lanka - Chief Executive Officer, ICT Agency of Sri Lanka * *Mr. Disspain, Chris* Carlton, Australia - Chief Executive Officer, .AU Registry * *Mr. Drake, William * Geneva, Switzerland - International Fellow and Lecturer, Media Change and Innovation Division, IPMZ, University Zurich * *Ms. Dryden, Heather * Ottawa, Canada - Senior Policy Advisor, International Telecommunications Policy and Coordination Directorate, Canadian Department of Industry * *Mr. Echeberría, Raúl * Montevideo, Uruguay - Executive Director/CEO, Latin America and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) * *Mr. Esmat, Baher * Cairo, Egypt - Manager - Regional Relations Middle East, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) * *Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette * Johannesburg, South Africa - Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) * *Ms. Fell, Lucinda * London, United Kingdom - Director of Policy and Communication, Childnet * *Mr. Filip, Ondřej * České Budějovice, Czech Republic - Chief Executive Officer, CZ.NIC * *Mr. Guo, Liang * Beijing, China - Director of the China Internet Project and Associate Professor, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) * *Ms. Hassan, Ayesha * Paris, France - Senior Policy Manager, Digital Economy, Executive in charge of ICT Policy, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) * *Mr. Hilali, Abdelaziz* Rabat, Morocco - Professor, Institut Supérieur des Télécommunications de Rabat; President, Internet Society Morocco * *Mr. Jamil, Zahid U. * Karachi, Pakistan - Senior Partner and Barrister-at-Law, Jamil and Jamil; Chairman, Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre * *Mr. Katoh, Masanobu * Tokyo, Japan - Executive Vice-president and Executive Director, Country Head of Japan, Intellectual Ventures * *Ms. Kelly, Sanja * New York, USA - Project Director, Freedom on the Net, Freedom House * *Mr. Khimchenko, Igor* Moscow, Russia - Deputy Director for Scientific, Technical and Strategy Development Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communication * *Ms. Kultamaa, Mervi * Helsinki, Finland - Counsellor, Department for External Economic Relations, Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland * *Mr. Major, Peter * Geneva, Switzerland - Special Adviser, Permanent Mission of Hungary to the United Nations Office at Geneva * *Ms. Mangal, Anju * Suva, Fiji - Information and Knowledge Management Specialist/Coordinator, Secretariat of the Pacific Community (SPC) * *Mr. McCain, Cecil * Kingston, Jamaica - Director of Post and Telecommunications, Office of the Prime Minister * *Mr. Moedjiono, Sardjoeni * Jakarta, Indonesia - National ICT Council Executive Team Member, Indonesia * *Ms. Morenets, Yuliya * Strasbourg, France - Founder and Representative, TaC -Together against Cybercrime * *Mr. Mustala, Tero * Tuusula, Finland - Principal Consultant, Nokia Siemens Networks * *Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian * Kampala, Uganda - President, Internet Society Uganda/Collaboration on International IT Policy in East and Southern Africa * *Ms. Neves Amoroso, Ana Crist*ina Lisbon, Portugal - Director of the Information Society Department at the Science and Technology Foundation, Ministry of Education and Science in Portugal * *Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani * Stockholm, Sweden - Head of Outreach and Communications, Netnod * *Ms. Okite, Judith * Nairobi, Kenya - Internet Governance Coordinator, Free Software and Open Source Foundation for Africa Dynamic Coalitions on Disability and Accessibility * *Mr. Ostrowski, Igor * Warsaw, Poland - Undersecretary of State and Deputy of the Minister of Administration and Digitization, Ministry of Administration and Digitization * *Mr. Olufuye, Jimson * Abuja, Nigeria - CEO Kontemporary/ Vice-Chairman WITSA * *Mr. Pedraza Barrios, Ricardo * Bogota, Colombia - Director Business Development - Global Public Policy and Government Relations, VeriSign Colombia SAS * *Ms. Piñeiro, Lorena* Santiago, Chile - Head of International Affairs Department, Undersecretariate of Telecommunications * *Mr. Philippot, Jean Paul * Brussels, Belgium - President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU); CEO, Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (RTBF) * *Mr. Quaynor, Nii * Accra, Ghana - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Network Computer Systems; President, Internet Society Ghana * *Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir * Belgrade, Serbia - Coordinator, Internet Governance Programmes, DiploFoundation * *Mr. Rendek, Paul * Dubai, United Arab Emirates - Director of External Relations, Réseaux IP Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) * *Mr. Samakande, Felix * New York, USA - Second Secretary, Permanent Mission of Zimbabwe to the United Nations Office at New York * *Ms. Selaimen, Graciela * Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Executive Coordinator, Núcleo de Pesquisas, Estudos e Formação (NUPEF) * *Ms. Seltzer, Wendy * New Haven, USA - Technical Team Privacy Identity policy, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) * *Mr. Sha'ban, Charles * Amman, Jordan - Executive Director, Regional Office, Abu-Ghazaleh Intellectual Property * *Mr. Spiller, Thomas * Brussels, Belgium - Vice President, Global Public Policy, Europe, Middle East and Africa, The Walt Disney Company * *Ms. Swinehart, Theresa * Washington, DC, United States - Executive Director, Global Internet Policy, Verizon Communications * *Ms. Warren, Jennifer A.* Alexandria, VA, United States - Vice President, Technology Policy & Regulation, Lockheed Martin Corporation * *Mr. Wilson, Paul * Brisbane, Australia - Director General, Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) * *Mr. Zhao, Chunlu * Beijing, China - Deputy Director for International Organizations, Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Industry and Information Technology If the idea is to create a ballot with the 2012 nominees (and enable the addition of others?), I'm in agreement. If that's the case, we should contact the above 7 nominees from 2012 and ascertain their continued availability. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/8/2013 1:55 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > (just changing the topic slightly as this topic was considering a more > general document) > > While I agree with Avri and others that nominating all last years > slate again is a good idea, the last MAG nominations were about 12 > months ago and there appears to be a requirement for up to one third > to be rotated off. So I do think we need to nominate additional names > as well and don't see it as impossible to do so. > > However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would > like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I > separately send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the > Nomcom? > > (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use > that for nominations - is there another process I should follow or > Thomas can you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS > members? > > Ian Peter > > > -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM > To: IGC > Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG > > Hi, > > One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus > agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is > not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. > > This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who > were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and > re-suggests the people they did not choose. > > Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being > included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that > benefits me in any way. > > avri > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue Jan 8 16:43:36 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:43:36 -0500 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations In-Reply-To: <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> Message-ID: Hi, I do not understand a ballot. We do not have provisions for voting on representatives such as this and I would argue that selection by voting is counter to the charter that demands a nomcom. Whereas endorsing the previous years list would just be an act of endorsement that could be done using the consensus mechanism as it is not a new selection. I am very much against turning the selection of MAG or anything else into a vote without charter changes. avri On 8 Jan 2013, at 16:34, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > Ian, > > My records indicate that the MAG nominees as selected on February 24, 2012 were: > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > with: > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > serving on the 2012 MAG. > > As per http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- the 2012 MAG members were. > > Multistakeholder Advisory Group - List of Members - 2012 > > • Mr. Aizu, Izumi > Tokyo, Japan - Senior Research Fellow and Professor, Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University > • Ms. Aguerre, Carolina > Buenos Aires, Argentina - General Manager, Latin America and Carribean TLD Association (LACTLD) > • Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > Kuwait City, Kuwait - Deputy Chairman, Kuwait Information Technology Society > • Mr. Ataho, Collins > Kampala, Uganda - Internet Technical Support, Orange Uganda > • Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > Quito, Ecuador - Communication and Information Policy Programme Manager, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) > • Ms. Bommelaer, Constance > Geneva, Switzerland- Director, Public Policy, Internet Society (ISOC) > • Mr. Brueggeman, Jeff > Washington DC, USA - Vice President - Public Policy and deputy Chief Privacy Officer, AT&T > • Ms. Cavalli, Olga del Carmen > Buenos Aires, Argentina - Adviser for technology, Ministry of Foreign Affairs > • Mr. Carvell, Mark > London, United Kingdom - Special Adviser and Executive Coordinator, Global Internet Governance Policy, Department for Culture, Media and Sport > • Ms. Cretu, Veronica > Chisinau, Moldova – President, CMB Training Center > • Mr. Dengo, Manuel > Geneva, Switzerland - Ambassador Permanent Representative, Permanent Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations Office at Geneva > • Mr. Dewapura, Reshan > Colombo, Sri Lanka - Chief Executive Officer, ICT Agency of Sri Lanka > • Mr. Disspain, Chris > Carlton, Australia - Chief Executive Officer, .AU Registry > • Mr. Drake, William > Geneva, Switzerland - International Fellow and Lecturer, Media Change and Innovation Division, IPMZ, University Zurich > • Ms. Dryden, Heather > Ottawa, Canada - Senior Policy Advisor, International Telecommunications Policy and Coordination Directorate, Canadian Department of Industry > • Mr. Echeberría, Raúl > Montevideo, Uruguay - Executive Director/CEO, Latin America and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) > • Mr. Esmat, Baher > Cairo, Egypt - Manager - Regional Relations Middle East, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > • Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette > Johannesburg, South Africa - Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) > • Ms. Fell, Lucinda > London, United Kingdom - Director of Policy and Communication, Childnet > • Mr. Filip, Ondřej > České Budějovice, Czech Republic - Chief Executive Officer, CZ.NIC > • Mr. Guo, Liang > Beijing, China - Director of the China Internet Project and Associate Professor, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) > • Ms. Hassan, Ayesha > Paris, France - Senior Policy Manager, Digital Economy, Executive in charge of ICT Policy, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) > • Mr. Hilali, Abdelaziz > Rabat, Morocco - Professor, Institut Supérieur des Télécommunications de Rabat; President, Internet Society Morocco > • Mr. Jamil, Zahid U. > Karachi, Pakistan - Senior Partner and Barrister-at-Law, Jamil and Jamil; Chairman, Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre > • Mr. Katoh, Masanobu > Tokyo, Japan - Executive Vice-president and Executive Director, Country Head of Japan, Intellectual Ventures > • Ms. Kelly, Sanja > New York, USA - Project Director, Freedom on the Net, Freedom House > • Mr. Khimchenko, Igor > Moscow, Russia - Deputy Director for Scientific, Technical and Strategy Development Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communication > • Ms. Kultamaa, Mervi > Helsinki, Finland - Counsellor, Department for External Economic Relations, Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland > • Mr. Major, Peter > Geneva, Switzerland - Special Adviser, Permanent Mission of Hungary to the United Nations Office at Geneva > • Ms. Mangal, Anju > Suva, Fiji - Information and Knowledge Management Specialist/Coordinator, Secretariat of the Pacific Community (SPC) > • Mr. McCain, Cecil > Kingston, Jamaica - Director of Post and Telecommunications, Office of the Prime Minister > • Mr. Moedjiono, Sardjoeni > Jakarta, Indonesia - National ICT Council Executive Team Member, Indonesia > • Ms. Morenets, Yuliya > Strasbourg, France - Founder and Representative, TaC -Together against Cybercrime > • Mr. Mustala, Tero > Tuusula, Finland - Principal Consultant, Nokia Siemens Networks > • Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian > Kampala, Uganda - President, Internet Society Uganda/Collaboration on International IT Policy in East and Southern Africa > • Ms. Neves Amoroso, Ana Cristina > Lisbon, Portugal - Director of the Information Society Department at the Science and Technology Foundation, Ministry of Education and Science in Portugal > • Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani > Stockholm, Sweden - Head of Outreach and Communications, Netnod > • Ms. Okite, Judith > Nairobi, Kenya - Internet Governance Coordinator, Free Software and Open Source Foundation for Africa Dynamic Coalitions on Disability and Accessibility > • Mr. Ostrowski, Igor > Warsaw, Poland - Undersecretary of State and Deputy of the Minister of Administration and Digitization, Ministry of Administration and Digitization > • Mr. Olufuye, Jimson > Abuja, Nigeria - CEO Kontemporary/ Vice-Chairman WITSA > • Mr. Pedraza Barrios, Ricardo > Bogota, Colombia - Director Business Development - Global Public Policy and Government Relations, VeriSign Colombia SAS > • Ms. Piñeiro, Lorena > Santiago, Chile - Head of International Affairs Department, Undersecretariate of Telecommunications > • Mr. Philippot, Jean Paul > Brussels, Belgium - President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU); CEO, Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (RTBF) > • Mr. Quaynor, Nii > Accra, Ghana - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Network Computer Systems; President, Internet Society Ghana > • Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir > Belgrade, Serbia - Coordinator, Internet Governance Programmes, DiploFoundation > • Mr. Rendek, Paul > Dubai, United Arab Emirates - Director of External Relations, Réseaux IP Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) > • Mr. Samakande, Felix > New York, USA - Second Secretary, Permanent Mission of Zimbabwe to the United Nations Office at New York > • Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Executive Coordinator, Núcleo de Pesquisas, Estudos e Formação (NUPEF) > • Ms. Seltzer, Wendy > New Haven, USA - Technical Team Privacy Identity policy, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > • Mr. Sha'ban, Charles > Amman, Jordan - Executive Director, Regional Office, Abu-Ghazaleh Intellectual Property > • Mr. Spiller, Thomas > Brussels, Belgium - Vice President, Global Public Policy, Europe, Middle East and Africa, The Walt Disney Company > • Ms. Swinehart, Theresa > Washington, DC, United States - Executive Director, Global Internet Policy, Verizon Communications > • Ms. Warren, Jennifer A. > Alexandria, VA, United States - Vice President, Technology Policy & Regulation, Lockheed Martin Corporation > • Mr. Wilson, Paul > Brisbane, Australia - Director General, Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) > • Mr. Zhao, Chunlu > Beijing, China - Deputy Director for International Organizations, Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Industry and Information Technology > > If the idea is to create a ballot with the 2012 nominees (and enable the addition of others?), I'm in agreement. If that's the case, we should contact the above 7 nominees from 2012 and ascertain their continued availability. > > Best, > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > > On 1/8/2013 1:55 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >> (just changing the topic slightly as this topic was considering a more general document) >> >> While I agree with Avri and others that nominating all last years slate again is a good idea, the last MAG nominations were about 12 months ago and there appears to be a requirement for up to one third to be rotated off. So I do think we need to nominate additional names as well and don't see it as impossible to do so. >> >> However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I separately send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the Nomcom? >> >> (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use that for nominations - is there another process I should follow or Thomas can you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS members? >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM >> To: IGC >> Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG >> >> Hi, >> >> One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. >> >> This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests the people they did not choose. >> >> Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me in any way. >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 16:49:27 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:49:27 +1300 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations In-Reply-To: References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > I do not understand a ballot. > There is no ballot. The NomCom will review the list of Nominations and Expressions of Interest. There have been suggestions on the list about endorsing the selection made by previous NomCom. The option to nominate someone for the MAG was included in the electronic ballot/poll papers but these are just a means of capturing peoples' nominations and are not "selection" per say. These people will be asked whether they accept these nominations and if they do required to submit their information to the NomCom through a designated email which the NomCom will draw from as they make their review and selection. > > We do not have provisions for voting on representatives such as this and I > would argue that selection by voting is counter to the charter that demands > a nomcom. > > Whereas endorsing the previous years list would just be an act of > endorsement that could be done using the consensus mechanism as it is not a > new selection. > > I am very much against turning the selection of MAG or anything else into > a vote without charter changes. > > avri > > > On 8 Jan 2013, at 16:34, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > > > Ian, > > > > My records indicate that the MAG nominees as selected on February 24, > 2012 were: > > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > > • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > with: > > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > serving on the 2012 MAG. > > > > As per http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- the 2012 > MAG members were. > > > > Multistakeholder Advisory Group - List of Members - 2012 > > > > • Mr. Aizu, Izumi > > Tokyo, Japan - Senior Research Fellow and Professor, Institute for > InfoSocionomics, Tama University > > • Ms. Aguerre, Carolina > > Buenos Aires, Argentina - General Manager, Latin America and Carribean > TLD Association (LACTLD) > > • Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > > Kuwait City, Kuwait - Deputy Chairman, Kuwait Information Technology > Society > > • Mr. Ataho, Collins > > Kampala, Uganda - Internet Technical Support, Orange Uganda > > • Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > > Quito, Ecuador - Communication and Information Policy Programme Manager, > Association for Progressive Communications (APC) > > • Ms. Bommelaer, Constance > > Geneva, Switzerland- Director, Public Policy, Internet Society (ISOC) > > • Mr. Brueggeman, Jeff > > Washington DC, USA - Vice President - Public Policy and deputy Chief > Privacy Officer, AT&T > > • Ms. Cavalli, Olga del Carmen > > Buenos Aires, Argentina - Adviser for technology, Ministry of Foreign > Affairs > > • Mr. Carvell, Mark > > London, United Kingdom - Special Adviser and Executive Coordinator, > Global Internet Governance Policy, Department for Culture, Media and Sport > > • Ms. Cretu, Veronica > > Chisinau, Moldova – President, CMB Training Center > > • Mr. Dengo, Manuel > > Geneva, Switzerland - Ambassador Permanent Representative, Permanent > Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations Office at Geneva > > • Mr. Dewapura, Reshan > > Colombo, Sri Lanka - Chief Executive Officer, ICT Agency of Sri Lanka > > • Mr. Disspain, Chris > > Carlton, Australia - Chief Executive Officer, .AU Registry > > • Mr. Drake, William > > Geneva, Switzerland - International Fellow and Lecturer, Media Change > and Innovation Division, IPMZ, University Zurich > > • Ms. Dryden, Heather > > Ottawa, Canada - Senior Policy Advisor, International Telecommunications > Policy and Coordination Directorate, Canadian Department of Industry > > • Mr. Echeberría, Raúl > > Montevideo, Uruguay - Executive Director/CEO, Latin America and > Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) > > • Mr. Esmat, Baher > > Cairo, Egypt - Manager - Regional Relations Middle East, Internet > Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > • Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette > > Johannesburg, South Africa - Executive Director, Association for > Progressive Communications (APC) > > • Ms. Fell, Lucinda > > London, United Kingdom - Director of Policy and Communication, Childnet > > • Mr. Filip, Ondřej > > České Budějovice, Czech Republic - Chief Executive Officer, CZ.NIC > > • Mr. Guo, Liang > > Beijing, China - Director of the China Internet Project and Associate > Professor, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) > > • Ms. Hassan, Ayesha > > Paris, France - Senior Policy Manager, Digital Economy, Executive in > charge of ICT Policy, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) > > • Mr. Hilali, Abdelaziz > > Rabat, Morocco - Professor, Institut Supérieur des Télécommunications de > Rabat; President, Internet Society Morocco > > • Mr. Jamil, Zahid U. > > Karachi, Pakistan - Senior Partner and Barrister-at-Law, Jamil and > Jamil; Chairman, Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre > > • Mr. Katoh, Masanobu > > Tokyo, Japan - Executive Vice-president and Executive Director, Country > Head of Japan, Intellectual Ventures > > • Ms. Kelly, Sanja > > New York, USA - Project Director, Freedom on the Net, Freedom House > > • Mr. Khimchenko, Igor > > Moscow, Russia - Deputy Director for Scientific, Technical and Strategy > Development Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communication > > • Ms. Kultamaa, Mervi > > Helsinki, Finland - Counsellor, Department for External Economic > Relations, Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland > > • Mr. Major, Peter > > Geneva, Switzerland - Special Adviser, Permanent Mission of Hungary to > the United Nations Office at Geneva > > • Ms. Mangal, Anju > > Suva, Fiji - Information and Knowledge Management > Specialist/Coordinator, Secretariat of the Pacific Community (SPC) > > • Mr. McCain, Cecil > > Kingston, Jamaica - Director of Post and Telecommunications, Office of > the Prime Minister > > • Mr. Moedjiono, Sardjoeni > > Jakarta, Indonesia - National ICT Council Executive Team Member, > Indonesia > > • Ms. Morenets, Yuliya > > Strasbourg, France - Founder and Representative, TaC -Together against > Cybercrime > > • Mr. Mustala, Tero > > Tuusula, Finland - Principal Consultant, Nokia Siemens Networks > > • Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian > > Kampala, Uganda - President, Internet Society Uganda/Collaboration on > International IT Policy in East and Southern Africa > > • Ms. Neves Amoroso, Ana Cristina > > Lisbon, Portugal - Director of the Information Society Department at the > Science and Technology Foundation, Ministry of Education and Science in > Portugal > > • Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani > > Stockholm, Sweden - Head of Outreach and Communications, Netnod > > • Ms. Okite, Judith > > Nairobi, Kenya - Internet Governance Coordinator, Free Software and Open > Source Foundation for Africa Dynamic Coalitions on Disability and > Accessibility > > • Mr. Ostrowski, Igor > > Warsaw, Poland - Undersecretary of State and Deputy of the Minister of > Administration and Digitization, Ministry of Administration and Digitization > > • Mr. Olufuye, Jimson > > Abuja, Nigeria - CEO Kontemporary/ Vice-Chairman WITSA > > • Mr. Pedraza Barrios, Ricardo > > Bogota, Colombia - Director Business Development - Global Public Policy > and Government Relations, VeriSign Colombia SAS > > • Ms. Piñeiro, Lorena > > Santiago, Chile - Head of International Affairs Department, > Undersecretariate of Telecommunications > > • Mr. Philippot, Jean Paul > > Brussels, Belgium - President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU); CEO, > Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (RTBF) > > • Mr. Quaynor, Nii > > Accra, Ghana - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Network Computer > Systems; President, Internet Society Ghana > > • Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir > > Belgrade, Serbia - Coordinator, Internet Governance Programmes, > DiploFoundation > > • Mr. Rendek, Paul > > Dubai, United Arab Emirates - Director of External Relations, Réseaux IP > Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) > > • Mr. Samakande, Felix > > New York, USA - Second Secretary, Permanent Mission of Zimbabwe to the > United Nations Office at New York > > • Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > > Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Executive Coordinator, Núcleo de Pesquisas, > Estudos e Formação (NUPEF) > > • Ms. Seltzer, Wendy > > New Haven, USA - Technical Team Privacy Identity policy, World Wide Web > Consortium (W3C) > > • Mr. Sha'ban, Charles > > Amman, Jordan - Executive Director, Regional Office, Abu-Ghazaleh > Intellectual Property > > • Mr. Spiller, Thomas > > Brussels, Belgium - Vice President, Global Public Policy, Europe, Middle > East and Africa, The Walt Disney Company > > • Ms. Swinehart, Theresa > > Washington, DC, United States - Executive Director, Global Internet > Policy, Verizon Communications > > • Ms. Warren, Jennifer A. > > Alexandria, VA, United States - Vice President, Technology Policy & > Regulation, Lockheed Martin Corporation > > • Mr. Wilson, Paul > > Brisbane, Australia - Director General, Asia Pacific Network Information > Centre (APNIC) > > • Mr. Zhao, Chunlu > > Beijing, China - Deputy Director for International Organizations, > Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Industry and > Information Technology > > > > If the idea is to create a ballot with the 2012 nominees (and enable the > addition of others?), I'm in agreement. If that's the case, we should > contact the above 7 nominees from 2012 and ascertain their continued > availability. > > > > Best, > > > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > > > > > On 1/8/2013 1:55 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> (just changing the topic slightly as this topic was considering a more > general document) > >> > >> While I agree with Avri and others that nominating all last years slate > again is a good idea, the last MAG nominations were about 12 months ago and > there appears to be a requirement for up to one third to be rotated off. So > I do think we need to nominate additional names as well and don't see it as > impossible to do so. > >> > >> However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would > like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I separately > send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the Nomcom? > >> > >> (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use > that for nominations - is there another process I should follow or Thomas > can you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS members? > >> > >> Ian Peter > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM > >> To: IGC > >> Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus > agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not > all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. > >> > >> This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were > included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests > the people they did not choose. > >> > >> Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being > included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me > in any way. > >> > >> avri > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue Jan 8 17:00:47 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:00:47 -0500 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations In-Reply-To: <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> Message-ID: So in other words this is still using the old, non existent nomcom. And it is doing it in a way that does not allow for new candidates. Even worse abuse of the process. Can I check on the status of the appeal on this. And for clarity sake, the appeal was: Overturn the decision of the co-ordiantor to use a previous Nomcom for selection of 2013 MAG candidates. I think there were at least 4 co-signers, but the thing got so confused I am not sure. thank you avri On 8 Jan 2013, at 16:34, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > Ian, > > My records indicate that the MAG nominees as selected on February 24, 2012 were: > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > with: > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > serving on the 2012 MAG. > > As per http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- the 2012 MAG members were. > > Multistakeholder Advisory Group - List of Members - 2012 > > • Mr. Aizu, Izumi > Tokyo, Japan - Senior Research Fellow and Professor, Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University > • Ms. Aguerre, Carolina > Buenos Aires, Argentina - General Manager, Latin America and Carribean TLD Association (LACTLD) > • Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > Kuwait City, Kuwait - Deputy Chairman, Kuwait Information Technology Society > • Mr. Ataho, Collins > Kampala, Uganda - Internet Technical Support, Orange Uganda > • Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > Quito, Ecuador - Communication and Information Policy Programme Manager, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) > • Ms. Bommelaer, Constance > Geneva, Switzerland- Director, Public Policy, Internet Society (ISOC) > • Mr. Brueggeman, Jeff > Washington DC, USA - Vice President - Public Policy and deputy Chief Privacy Officer, AT&T > • Ms. Cavalli, Olga del Carmen > Buenos Aires, Argentina - Adviser for technology, Ministry of Foreign Affairs > • Mr. Carvell, Mark > London, United Kingdom - Special Adviser and Executive Coordinator, Global Internet Governance Policy, Department for Culture, Media and Sport > • Ms. Cretu, Veronica > Chisinau, Moldova – President, CMB Training Center > • Mr. Dengo, Manuel > Geneva, Switzerland - Ambassador Permanent Representative, Permanent Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations Office at Geneva > • Mr. Dewapura, Reshan > Colombo, Sri Lanka - Chief Executive Officer, ICT Agency of Sri Lanka > • Mr. Disspain, Chris > Carlton, Australia - Chief Executive Officer, .AU Registry > • Mr. Drake, William > Geneva, Switzerland - International Fellow and Lecturer, Media Change and Innovation Division, IPMZ, University Zurich > • Ms. Dryden, Heather > Ottawa, Canada - Senior Policy Advisor, International Telecommunications Policy and Coordination Directorate, Canadian Department of Industry > • Mr. Echeberría, Raúl > Montevideo, Uruguay - Executive Director/CEO, Latin America and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) > • Mr. Esmat, Baher > Cairo, Egypt - Manager - Regional Relations Middle East, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > • Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette > Johannesburg, South Africa - Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) > • Ms. Fell, Lucinda > London, United Kingdom - Director of Policy and Communication, Childnet > • Mr. Filip, Ondřej > České Budějovice, Czech Republic - Chief Executive Officer, CZ.NIC > • Mr. Guo, Liang > Beijing, China - Director of the China Internet Project and Associate Professor, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) > • Ms. Hassan, Ayesha > Paris, France - Senior Policy Manager, Digital Economy, Executive in charge of ICT Policy, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) > • Mr. Hilali, Abdelaziz > Rabat, Morocco - Professor, Institut Supérieur des Télécommunications de Rabat; President, Internet Society Morocco > • Mr. Jamil, Zahid U. > Karachi, Pakistan - Senior Partner and Barrister-at-Law, Jamil and Jamil; Chairman, Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre > • Mr. Katoh, Masanobu > Tokyo, Japan - Executive Vice-president and Executive Director, Country Head of Japan, Intellectual Ventures > • Ms. Kelly, Sanja > New York, USA - Project Director, Freedom on the Net, Freedom House > • Mr. Khimchenko, Igor > Moscow, Russia - Deputy Director for Scientific, Technical and Strategy Development Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communication > • Ms. Kultamaa, Mervi > Helsinki, Finland - Counsellor, Department for External Economic Relations, Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland > • Mr. Major, Peter > Geneva, Switzerland - Special Adviser, Permanent Mission of Hungary to the United Nations Office at Geneva > • Ms. Mangal, Anju > Suva, Fiji - Information and Knowledge Management Specialist/Coordinator, Secretariat of the Pacific Community (SPC) > • Mr. McCain, Cecil > Kingston, Jamaica - Director of Post and Telecommunications, Office of the Prime Minister > • Mr. Moedjiono, Sardjoeni > Jakarta, Indonesia - National ICT Council Executive Team Member, Indonesia > • Ms. Morenets, Yuliya > Strasbourg, France - Founder and Representative, TaC -Together against Cybercrime > • Mr. Mustala, Tero > Tuusula, Finland - Principal Consultant, Nokia Siemens Networks > • Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian > Kampala, Uganda - President, Internet Society Uganda/Collaboration on International IT Policy in East and Southern Africa > • Ms. Neves Amoroso, Ana Cristina > Lisbon, Portugal - Director of the Information Society Department at the Science and Technology Foundation, Ministry of Education and Science in Portugal > • Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani > Stockholm, Sweden - Head of Outreach and Communications, Netnod > • Ms. Okite, Judith > Nairobi, Kenya - Internet Governance Coordinator, Free Software and Open Source Foundation for Africa Dynamic Coalitions on Disability and Accessibility > • Mr. Ostrowski, Igor > Warsaw, Poland - Undersecretary of State and Deputy of the Minister of Administration and Digitization, Ministry of Administration and Digitization > • Mr. Olufuye, Jimson > Abuja, Nigeria - CEO Kontemporary/ Vice-Chairman WITSA > • Mr. Pedraza Barrios, Ricardo > Bogota, Colombia - Director Business Development - Global Public Policy and Government Relations, VeriSign Colombia SAS > • Ms. Piñeiro, Lorena > Santiago, Chile - Head of International Affairs Department, Undersecretariate of Telecommunications > • Mr. Philippot, Jean Paul > Brussels, Belgium - President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU); CEO, Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (RTBF) > • Mr. Quaynor, Nii > Accra, Ghana - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Network Computer Systems; President, Internet Society Ghana > • Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir > Belgrade, Serbia - Coordinator, Internet Governance Programmes, DiploFoundation > • Mr. Rendek, Paul > Dubai, United Arab Emirates - Director of External Relations, Réseaux IP Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) > • Mr. Samakande, Felix > New York, USA - Second Secretary, Permanent Mission of Zimbabwe to the United Nations Office at New York > • Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Executive Coordinator, Núcleo de Pesquisas, Estudos e Formação (NUPEF) > • Ms. Seltzer, Wendy > New Haven, USA - Technical Team Privacy Identity policy, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > • Mr. Sha'ban, Charles > Amman, Jordan - Executive Director, Regional Office, Abu-Ghazaleh Intellectual Property > • Mr. Spiller, Thomas > Brussels, Belgium - Vice President, Global Public Policy, Europe, Middle East and Africa, The Walt Disney Company > • Ms. Swinehart, Theresa > Washington, DC, United States - Executive Director, Global Internet Policy, Verizon Communications > • Ms. Warren, Jennifer A. > Alexandria, VA, United States - Vice President, Technology Policy & Regulation, Lockheed Martin Corporation > • Mr. Wilson, Paul > Brisbane, Australia - Director General, Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) > • Mr. Zhao, Chunlu > Beijing, China - Deputy Director for International Organizations, Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Industry and Information Technology > > If the idea is to create a ballot with the 2012 nominees (and enable the addition of others?), I'm in agreement. If that's the case, we should contact the above 7 nominees from 2012 and ascertain their continued availability. > > Best, > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > > On 1/8/2013 1:55 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >> (just changing the topic slightly as this topic was considering a more general document) >> >> While I agree with Avri and others that nominating all last years slate again is a good idea, the last MAG nominations were about 12 months ago and there appears to be a requirement for up to one third to be rotated off. So I do think we need to nominate additional names as well and don't see it as impossible to do so. >> >> However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I separately send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the Nomcom? >> >> (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use that for nominations - is there another process I should follow or Thomas can you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS members? >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM >> To: IGC >> Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG >> >> Hi, >> >> One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. >> >> This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests the people they did not choose. >> >> Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me in any way. >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 17:02:52 2013 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:02:52 +1300 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations In-Reply-To: References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > So in other words this is still using the old, non existent nomcom. > And it is doing it in a way that does not allow for new candidates. > Even worse abuse of the process. > > Can I check on the status of the appeal on this. > I will leave this to the Appeal Team to respond to you. > > And for clarity sake, the appeal was: > > Overturn the decision of the co-ordiantor to use a previous Nomcom for > selection of 2013 MAG candidates. > > I think there were at least 4 co-signers, but the thing got so confused I > am not sure. > > thank you > > avri > > > On 8 Jan 2013, at 16:34, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > > > Ian, > > > > My records indicate that the MAG nominees as selected on February 24, > 2012 were: > > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > > • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > with: > > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > serving on the 2012 MAG. > > > > As per http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- the 2012 > MAG members were. > > > > Multistakeholder Advisory Group - List of Members - 2012 > > > > • Mr. Aizu, Izumi > > Tokyo, Japan - Senior Research Fellow and Professor, Institute for > InfoSocionomics, Tama University > > • Ms. Aguerre, Carolina > > Buenos Aires, Argentina - General Manager, Latin America and Carribean > TLD Association (LACTLD) > > • Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > > Kuwait City, Kuwait - Deputy Chairman, Kuwait Information Technology > Society > > • Mr. Ataho, Collins > > Kampala, Uganda - Internet Technical Support, Orange Uganda > > • Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > > Quito, Ecuador - Communication and Information Policy Programme Manager, > Association for Progressive Communications (APC) > > • Ms. Bommelaer, Constance > > Geneva, Switzerland- Director, Public Policy, Internet Society (ISOC) > > • Mr. Brueggeman, Jeff > > Washington DC, USA - Vice President - Public Policy and deputy Chief > Privacy Officer, AT&T > > • Ms. Cavalli, Olga del Carmen > > Buenos Aires, Argentina - Adviser for technology, Ministry of Foreign > Affairs > > • Mr. Carvell, Mark > > London, United Kingdom - Special Adviser and Executive Coordinator, > Global Internet Governance Policy, Department for Culture, Media and Sport > > • Ms. Cretu, Veronica > > Chisinau, Moldova – President, CMB Training Center > > • Mr. Dengo, Manuel > > Geneva, Switzerland - Ambassador Permanent Representative, Permanent > Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations Office at Geneva > > • Mr. Dewapura, Reshan > > Colombo, Sri Lanka - Chief Executive Officer, ICT Agency of Sri Lanka > > • Mr. Disspain, Chris > > Carlton, Australia - Chief Executive Officer, .AU Registry > > • Mr. Drake, William > > Geneva, Switzerland - International Fellow and Lecturer, Media Change > and Innovation Division, IPMZ, University Zurich > > • Ms. Dryden, Heather > > Ottawa, Canada - Senior Policy Advisor, International Telecommunications > Policy and Coordination Directorate, Canadian Department of Industry > > • Mr. Echeberría, Raúl > > Montevideo, Uruguay - Executive Director/CEO, Latin America and > Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) > > • Mr. Esmat, Baher > > Cairo, Egypt - Manager - Regional Relations Middle East, Internet > Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > • Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette > > Johannesburg, South Africa - Executive Director, Association for > Progressive Communications (APC) > > • Ms. Fell, Lucinda > > London, United Kingdom - Director of Policy and Communication, Childnet > > • Mr. Filip, Ondřej > > České Budějovice, Czech Republic - Chief Executive Officer, CZ.NIC > > • Mr. Guo, Liang > > Beijing, China - Director of the China Internet Project and Associate > Professor, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) > > • Ms. Hassan, Ayesha > > Paris, France - Senior Policy Manager, Digital Economy, Executive in > charge of ICT Policy, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) > > • Mr. Hilali, Abdelaziz > > Rabat, Morocco - Professor, Institut Supérieur des Télécommunications de > Rabat; President, Internet Society Morocco > > • Mr. Jamil, Zahid U. > > Karachi, Pakistan - Senior Partner and Barrister-at-Law, Jamil and > Jamil; Chairman, Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre > > • Mr. Katoh, Masanobu > > Tokyo, Japan - Executive Vice-president and Executive Director, Country > Head of Japan, Intellectual Ventures > > • Ms. Kelly, Sanja > > New York, USA - Project Director, Freedom on the Net, Freedom House > > • Mr. Khimchenko, Igor > > Moscow, Russia - Deputy Director for Scientific, Technical and Strategy > Development Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communication > > • Ms. Kultamaa, Mervi > > Helsinki, Finland - Counsellor, Department for External Economic > Relations, Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland > > • Mr. Major, Peter > > Geneva, Switzerland - Special Adviser, Permanent Mission of Hungary to > the United Nations Office at Geneva > > • Ms. Mangal, Anju > > Suva, Fiji - Information and Knowledge Management > Specialist/Coordinator, Secretariat of the Pacific Community (SPC) > > • Mr. McCain, Cecil > > Kingston, Jamaica - Director of Post and Telecommunications, Office of > the Prime Minister > > • Mr. Moedjiono, Sardjoeni > > Jakarta, Indonesia - National ICT Council Executive Team Member, > Indonesia > > • Ms. Morenets, Yuliya > > Strasbourg, France - Founder and Representative, TaC -Together against > Cybercrime > > • Mr. Mustala, Tero > > Tuusula, Finland - Principal Consultant, Nokia Siemens Networks > > • Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian > > Kampala, Uganda - President, Internet Society Uganda/Collaboration on > International IT Policy in East and Southern Africa > > • Ms. Neves Amoroso, Ana Cristina > > Lisbon, Portugal - Director of the Information Society Department at the > Science and Technology Foundation, Ministry of Education and Science in > Portugal > > • Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani > > Stockholm, Sweden - Head of Outreach and Communications, Netnod > > • Ms. Okite, Judith > > Nairobi, Kenya - Internet Governance Coordinator, Free Software and Open > Source Foundation for Africa Dynamic Coalitions on Disability and > Accessibility > > • Mr. Ostrowski, Igor > > Warsaw, Poland - Undersecretary of State and Deputy of the Minister of > Administration and Digitization, Ministry of Administration and Digitization > > • Mr. Olufuye, Jimson > > Abuja, Nigeria - CEO Kontemporary/ Vice-Chairman WITSA > > • Mr. Pedraza Barrios, Ricardo > > Bogota, Colombia - Director Business Development - Global Public Policy > and Government Relations, VeriSign Colombia SAS > > • Ms. Piñeiro, Lorena > > Santiago, Chile - Head of International Affairs Department, > Undersecretariate of Telecommunications > > • Mr. Philippot, Jean Paul > > Brussels, Belgium - President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU); CEO, > Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (RTBF) > > • Mr. Quaynor, Nii > > Accra, Ghana - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Network Computer > Systems; President, Internet Society Ghana > > • Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir > > Belgrade, Serbia - Coordinator, Internet Governance Programmes, > DiploFoundation > > • Mr. Rendek, Paul > > Dubai, United Arab Emirates - Director of External Relations, Réseaux IP > Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) > > • Mr. Samakande, Felix > > New York, USA - Second Secretary, Permanent Mission of Zimbabwe to the > United Nations Office at New York > > • Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > > Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Executive Coordinator, Núcleo de Pesquisas, > Estudos e Formação (NUPEF) > > • Ms. Seltzer, Wendy > > New Haven, USA - Technical Team Privacy Identity policy, World Wide Web > Consortium (W3C) > > • Mr. Sha'ban, Charles > > Amman, Jordan - Executive Director, Regional Office, Abu-Ghazaleh > Intellectual Property > > • Mr. Spiller, Thomas > > Brussels, Belgium - Vice President, Global Public Policy, Europe, Middle > East and Africa, The Walt Disney Company > > • Ms. Swinehart, Theresa > > Washington, DC, United States - Executive Director, Global Internet > Policy, Verizon Communications > > • Ms. Warren, Jennifer A. > > Alexandria, VA, United States - Vice President, Technology Policy & > Regulation, Lockheed Martin Corporation > > • Mr. Wilson, Paul > > Brisbane, Australia - Director General, Asia Pacific Network Information > Centre (APNIC) > > • Mr. Zhao, Chunlu > > Beijing, China - Deputy Director for International Organizations, > Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Industry and > Information Technology > > > > If the idea is to create a ballot with the 2012 nominees (and enable the > addition of others?), I'm in agreement. If that's the case, we should > contact the above 7 nominees from 2012 and ascertain their continued > availability. > > > > Best, > > > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > > > > > On 1/8/2013 1:55 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > >> (just changing the topic slightly as this topic was considering a more > general document) > >> > >> While I agree with Avri and others that nominating all last years slate > again is a good idea, the last MAG nominations were about 12 months ago and > there appears to be a requirement for up to one third to be rotated off. So > I do think we need to nominate additional names as well and don't see it as > impossible to do so. > >> > >> However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would > like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I separately > send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the Nomcom? > >> > >> (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use > that for nominations - is there another process I should follow or Thomas > can you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS members? > >> > >> Ian Peter > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM > >> To: IGC > >> Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus > agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not > all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. > >> > >> This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were > included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests > the people they did not choose. > >> > >> Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being > included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me > in any way. > >> > >> avri > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Tue Jan 8 17:12:27 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:12:27 +1100 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations In-Reply-To: References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> Message-ID: <355D129A091C400FB01005DA7CD444A3@Toshiba> To date the only cosigners re MAG appeal I am aware of are Thomas Lowenhaupt and SRS. But yes it would be good to clarify this -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:00 AM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations So in other words this is still using the old, non existent nomcom. And it is doing it in a way that does not allow for new candidates. Even worse abuse of the process. Can I check on the status of the appeal on this. And for clarity sake, the appeal was: Overturn the decision of the co-ordiantor to use a previous Nomcom for selection of 2013 MAG candidates. I think there were at least 4 co-signers, but the thing got so confused I am not sure. thank you avri On 8 Jan 2013, at 16:34, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > Ian, > > My records indicate that the MAG nominees as selected on February 24, 2012 > were: > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > with: > • Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > serving on the 2012 MAG. > > As per http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- the 2012 MAG > members were. > > Multistakeholder Advisory Group - List of Members - 2012 > > • Mr. Aizu, Izumi > Tokyo, Japan - Senior Research Fellow and Professor, Institute for > InfoSocionomics, Tama University > • Ms. Aguerre, Carolina > Buenos Aires, Argentina - General Manager, Latin America and Carribean TLD > Association (LACTLD) > • Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > Kuwait City, Kuwait - Deputy Chairman, Kuwait Information Technology > Society > • Mr. Ataho, Collins > Kampala, Uganda - Internet Technical Support, Orange Uganda > • Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > Quito, Ecuador - Communication and Information Policy Programme Manager, > Association for Progressive Communications (APC) > • Ms. Bommelaer, Constance > Geneva, Switzerland- Director, Public Policy, Internet Society (ISOC) > • Mr. Brueggeman, Jeff > Washington DC, USA - Vice President - Public Policy and deputy Chief > Privacy Officer, AT&T > • Ms. Cavalli, Olga del Carmen > Buenos Aires, Argentina - Adviser for technology, Ministry of Foreign > Affairs > • Mr. Carvell, Mark > London, United Kingdom - Special Adviser and Executive Coordinator, Global > Internet Governance Policy, Department for Culture, Media and Sport > • Ms. Cretu, Veronica > Chisinau, Moldova – President, CMB Training Center > • Mr. Dengo, Manuel > Geneva, Switzerland - Ambassador Permanent Representative, Permanent > Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations Office at Geneva > • Mr. Dewapura, Reshan > Colombo, Sri Lanka - Chief Executive Officer, ICT Agency of Sri Lanka > • Mr. Disspain, Chris > Carlton, Australia - Chief Executive Officer, .AU Registry > • Mr. Drake, William > Geneva, Switzerland - International Fellow and Lecturer, Media Change and > Innovation Division, IPMZ, University Zurich > • Ms. Dryden, Heather > Ottawa, Canada - Senior Policy Advisor, International Telecommunications > Policy and Coordination Directorate, Canadian Department of Industry > • Mr. Echeberría, Raúl > Montevideo, Uruguay - Executive Director/CEO, Latin America and Caribbean > Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) > • Mr. Esmat, Baher > Cairo, Egypt - Manager - Regional Relations Middle East, Internet > Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > • Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette > Johannesburg, South Africa - Executive Director, Association for > Progressive Communications (APC) > • Ms. Fell, Lucinda > London, United Kingdom - Director of Policy and Communication, Childnet > • Mr. Filip, Ondřej > České Budějovice, Czech Republic - Chief Executive Officer, CZ.NIC > • Mr. Guo, Liang > Beijing, China - Director of the China Internet Project and Associate > Professor, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) > • Ms. Hassan, Ayesha > Paris, France - Senior Policy Manager, Digital Economy, Executive in > charge of ICT Policy, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) > • Mr. Hilali, Abdelaziz > Rabat, Morocco - Professor, Institut Supérieur des Télécommunications de > Rabat; President, Internet Society Morocco > • Mr. Jamil, Zahid U. > Karachi, Pakistan - Senior Partner and Barrister-at-Law, Jamil and Jamil; > Chairman, Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre > • Mr. Katoh, Masanobu > Tokyo, Japan - Executive Vice-president and Executive Director, Country > Head of Japan, Intellectual Ventures > • Ms. Kelly, Sanja > New York, USA - Project Director, Freedom on the Net, Freedom House > • Mr. Khimchenko, Igor > Moscow, Russia - Deputy Director for Scientific, Technical and Strategy > Development Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communication > • Ms. Kultamaa, Mervi > Helsinki, Finland - Counsellor, Department for External Economic > Relations, Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland > • Mr. Major, Peter > Geneva, Switzerland - Special Adviser, Permanent Mission of Hungary to the > United Nations Office at Geneva > • Ms. Mangal, Anju > Suva, Fiji - Information and Knowledge Management Specialist/Coordinator, > Secretariat of the Pacific Community (SPC) > • Mr. McCain, Cecil > Kingston, Jamaica - Director of Post and Telecommunications, Office of the > Prime Minister > • Mr. Moedjiono, Sardjoeni > Jakarta, Indonesia - National ICT Council Executive Team Member, Indonesia > • Ms. Morenets, Yuliya > Strasbourg, France - Founder and Representative, TaC -Together against > Cybercrime > • Mr. Mustala, Tero > Tuusula, Finland - Principal Consultant, Nokia Siemens Networks > • Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian > Kampala, Uganda - President, Internet Society Uganda/Collaboration on > International IT Policy in East and Southern Africa > • Ms. Neves Amoroso, Ana Cristina > Lisbon, Portugal - Director of the Information Society Department at the > Science and Technology Foundation, Ministry of Education and Science in > Portugal > • Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani > Stockholm, Sweden - Head of Outreach and Communications, Netnod > • Ms. Okite, Judith > Nairobi, Kenya - Internet Governance Coordinator, Free Software and Open > Source Foundation for Africa Dynamic Coalitions on Disability and > Accessibility > • Mr. Ostrowski, Igor > Warsaw, Poland - Undersecretary of State and Deputy of the Minister of > Administration and Digitization, Ministry of Administration and > Digitization > • Mr. Olufuye, Jimson > Abuja, Nigeria - CEO Kontemporary/ Vice-Chairman WITSA > • Mr. Pedraza Barrios, Ricardo > Bogota, Colombia - Director Business Development - Global Public Policy > and Government Relations, VeriSign Colombia SAS > • Ms. Piñeiro, Lorena > Santiago, Chile - Head of International Affairs Department, > Undersecretariate of Telecommunications > • Mr. Philippot, Jean Paul > Brussels, Belgium - President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU); CEO, > Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (RTBF) > • Mr. Quaynor, Nii > Accra, Ghana - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Network Computer > Systems; President, Internet Society Ghana > • Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir > Belgrade, Serbia - Coordinator, Internet Governance Programmes, > DiploFoundation > • Mr. Rendek, Paul > Dubai, United Arab Emirates - Director of External Relations, Réseaux IP > Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) > • Mr. Samakande, Felix > New York, USA - Second Secretary, Permanent Mission of Zimbabwe to the > United Nations Office at New York > • Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Executive Coordinator, Núcleo de Pesquisas, > Estudos e Formação (NUPEF) > • Ms. Seltzer, Wendy > New Haven, USA - Technical Team Privacy Identity policy, World Wide Web > Consortium (W3C) > • Mr. Sha'ban, Charles > Amman, Jordan - Executive Director, Regional Office, Abu-Ghazaleh > Intellectual Property > • Mr. Spiller, Thomas > Brussels, Belgium - Vice President, Global Public Policy, Europe, Middle > East and Africa, The Walt Disney Company > • Ms. Swinehart, Theresa > Washington, DC, United States - Executive Director, Global Internet > Policy, Verizon Communications > • Ms. Warren, Jennifer A. > Alexandria, VA, United States - Vice President, Technology Policy & > Regulation, Lockheed Martin Corporation > • Mr. Wilson, Paul > Brisbane, Australia - Director General, Asia Pacific Network Information > Centre (APNIC) > • Mr. Zhao, Chunlu > Beijing, China - Deputy Director for International Organizations, > Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Industry and > Information Technology > > If the idea is to create a ballot with the 2012 nominees (and enable the > addition of others?), I'm in agreement. If that's the case, we should > contact the above 7 nominees from 2012 and ascertain their continued > availability. > > Best, > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > > On 1/8/2013 1:55 PM, Ian Peter wrote: >> (just changing the topic slightly as this topic was considering a more >> general document) >> >> While I agree with Avri and others that nominating all last years slate >> again is a good idea, the last MAG nominations were about 12 months ago >> and there appears to be a requirement for up to one third to be rotated >> off. So I do think we need to nominate additional names as well and don't >> see it as impossible to do so. >> >> However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would >> like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I separately >> send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the Nomcom? >> >> (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use that >> for nominations - is there another process I should follow or Thomas can >> you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS members? >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM >> To: IGC >> Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG >> >> Hi, >> >> One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus >> agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not >> all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. >> >> This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were >> included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and >> re-suggests the people they did not choose. >> >> Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being >> included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits >> me in any way. >> >> avri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Tue Jan 8 17:16:24 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:16:24 +1100 Subject: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: <6B54234D-2587-45E5-A3F5-CD67D2D493CF@gmail.com> References: <6B54234D-2587-45E5-A3F5-CD67D2D493CF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F75C508145945EAB639809F1AB161BF@Toshiba> OK, we have an appeal re suspension (at least from the viewpoint of this Appeals team member. The appeal is to reverse the recent ban on a member (SRS). This Appeals Team will gather and advise. I would imagine this will include a formal call for further inputs from list members, and requests to both Sala and SRS to give their input. But the Appeals Team now needs to determine its approach in accordance with requirements. Ian Peter From: George Sadowsky Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:57 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ivar A. M. Hartmann Cc: McTim ; Ian Peter Subject: Re: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member I support them also. On Jan 8, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote: I support these grounds for appeal. Ivar On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM, McTim wrote: There was no "ad hominem" attack in the email that caused the complainant to complain. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Tue Jan 8 17:43:42 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:43:42 +1100 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations In-Reply-To: <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> References: <176F1A5A-BB7A-4D74-AD86-6669AA82D1A7@acm.org> <4EEDF2C25B164578811316212A87417E@Toshiba> <50EC90CD.1000303@communisphere.com> Message-ID: <28F5E396833E437B926E3293FA610323@Toshiba> Thanks Thomas. There are also other names there we should consider supporting, eg Anriette Esterhuysen, a regular contributor here and long standing member. There are I am sure others. I will personally nominate from this list once the procedures for additional nominations are clear (hopefully within 24 hours) Ian Peter From: Thomas Lowenhaupt Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:34 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter Cc: Avri Doria Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG - Nominations Ian, My records indicate that the MAG nominees as selected on February 24, 2012 were: a.. Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan b.. Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan c.. Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina d.. Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) e.. Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) f.. Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada g.. Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda with: a.. Izumi Aizu (Mr) - Japan b.. Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) c.. Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda serving on the 2012 MAG. As per http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/magabout/941-mag-2012- the 2012 MAG members were. Multistakeholder Advisory Group - List of Members - 2012 a.. Mr. Aizu, Izumi Tokyo, Japan - Senior Research Fellow and Professor, Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University b.. Ms. Aguerre, Carolina Buenos Aires, Argentina - General Manager, Latin America and Carribean TLD Association (LACTLD) c.. Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai Kuwait City, Kuwait - Deputy Chairman, Kuwait Information Technology Society d.. Mr. Ataho, Collins Kampala, Uganda - Internet Technical Support, Orange Uganda e.. Ms. Betancourt, Valeria Quito, Ecuador - Communication and Information Policy Programme Manager, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) f.. Ms. Bommelaer, Constance Geneva, Switzerland- Director, Public Policy, Internet Society (ISOC) g.. Mr. Brueggeman, Jeff Washington DC, USA - Vice President - Public Policy and deputy Chief Privacy Officer, AT&T h.. Ms. Cavalli, Olga del Carmen Buenos Aires, Argentina - Adviser for technology, Ministry of Foreign Affairs i.. Mr. Carvell, Mark London, United Kingdom - Special Adviser and Executive Coordinator, Global Internet Governance Policy, Department for Culture, Media and Sport j.. Ms. Cretu, Veronica Chisinau, Moldova – President, CMB Training Center k.. Mr. Dengo, Manuel Geneva, Switzerland - Ambassador Permanent Representative, Permanent Mission of Costa Rica to the United Nations Office at Geneva l.. Mr. Dewapura, Reshan Colombo, Sri Lanka - Chief Executive Officer, ICT Agency of Sri Lanka m.. Mr. Disspain, Chris Carlton, Australia - Chief Executive Officer, .AU Registry n.. Mr. Drake, William Geneva, Switzerland - International Fellow and Lecturer, Media Change and Innovation Division, IPMZ, University Zurich o.. Ms. Dryden, Heather Ottawa, Canada - Senior Policy Advisor, International Telecommunications Policy and Coordination Directorate, Canadian Department of Industry p.. Mr. Echeberría, Raúl Montevideo, Uruguay - Executive Director/CEO, Latin America and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) q.. Mr. Esmat, Baher Cairo, Egypt - Manager - Regional Relations Middle East, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) r.. Ms. Esterhuysen, Anriette Johannesburg, South Africa - Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications (APC) s.. Ms. Fell, Lucinda London, United Kingdom - Director of Policy and Communication, Childnet t.. Mr. Filip, Ondřej České Budějovice, Czech Republic - Chief Executive Officer, CZ.NIC u.. Mr. Guo, Liang Beijing, China - Director of the China Internet Project and Associate Professor, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) v.. Ms. Hassan, Ayesha Paris, France - Senior Policy Manager, Digital Economy, Executive in charge of ICT Policy, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) w.. Mr. Hilali, Abdelaziz Rabat, Morocco - Professor, Institut Supérieur des Télécommunications de Rabat; President, Internet Society Morocco x.. Mr. Jamil, Zahid U. Karachi, Pakistan - Senior Partner and Barrister-at-Law, Jamil and Jamil; Chairman, Domain Name Dispute Resolution Centre y.. Mr. Katoh, Masanobu Tokyo, Japan - Executive Vice-president and Executive Director, Country Head of Japan, Intellectual Ventures z.. Ms. Kelly, Sanja New York, USA - Project Director, Freedom on the Net, Freedom House aa.. Mr. Khimchenko, Igor Moscow, Russia - Deputy Director for Scientific, Technical and Strategy Development Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communication ab.. Ms. Kultamaa, Mervi Helsinki, Finland - Counsellor, Department for External Economic Relations, Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland ac.. Mr. Major, Peter Geneva, Switzerland - Special Adviser, Permanent Mission of Hungary to the United Nations Office at Geneva ad.. Ms. Mangal, Anju Suva, Fiji - Information and Knowledge Management Specialist/Coordinator, Secretariat of the Pacific Community (SPC) ae.. Mr. McCain, Cecil Kingston, Jamaica - Director of Post and Telecommunications, Office of the Prime Minister af.. Mr. Moedjiono, Sardjoeni Jakarta, Indonesia - National ICT Council Executive Team Member, Indonesia ag.. Ms. Morenets, Yuliya Strasbourg, France - Founder and Representative, TaC -Together against Cybercrime ah.. Mr. Mustala, Tero Tuusula, Finland - Principal Consultant, Nokia Siemens Networks ai.. Ms. Nalwoga, Lillian Kampala, Uganda - President, Internet Society Uganda/Collaboration on International IT Policy in East and Southern Africa aj.. Ms. Neves Amoroso, Ana Cristina Lisbon, Portugal - Director of the Information Society Department at the Science and Technology Foundation, Ministry of Education and Science in Portugal ak.. Ms. Nimpuno, Nurani Stockholm, Sweden - Head of Outreach and Communications, Netnod al.. Ms. Okite, Judith Nairobi, Kenya - Internet Governance Coordinator, Free Software and Open Source Foundation for Africa Dynamic Coalitions on Disability and Accessibility am.. Mr. Ostrowski, Igor Warsaw, Poland - Undersecretary of State and Deputy of the Minister of Administration and Digitization, Ministry of Administration and Digitization an.. Mr. Olufuye, Jimson Abuja, Nigeria - CEO Kontemporary/ Vice-Chairman WITSA ao.. Mr. Pedraza Barrios, Ricardo Bogota, Colombia - Director Business Development - Global Public Policy and Government Relations, VeriSign Colombia SAS ap.. Ms. Piñeiro, Lorena Santiago, Chile - Head of International Affairs Department, Undersecretariate of Telecommunications aq.. Mr. Philippot, Jean Paul Brussels, Belgium - President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU); CEO, Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (RTBF) ar.. Mr. Quaynor, Nii Accra, Ghana - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Network Computer Systems; President, Internet Society Ghana as.. Mr. Radunovic, Vladimir Belgrade, Serbia - Coordinator, Internet Governance Programmes, DiploFoundation at.. Mr. Rendek, Paul Dubai, United Arab Emirates - Director of External Relations, Réseaux IP Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) au.. Mr. Samakande, Felix New York, USA - Second Secretary, Permanent Mission of Zimbabwe to the United Nations Office at New York av.. Ms. Selaimen, Graciela Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Executive Coordinator, Núcleo de Pesquisas, Estudos e Formação (NUPEF) aw.. Ms. Seltzer, Wendy New Haven, USA - Technical Team Privacy Identity policy, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) ax.. Mr. Sha'ban, Charles Amman, Jordan - Executive Director, Regional Office, Abu-Ghazaleh Intellectual Property ay.. Mr. Spiller, Thomas Brussels, Belgium - Vice President, Global Public Policy, Europe, Middle East and Africa, The Walt Disney Company az.. Ms. Swinehart, Theresa Washington, DC, United States - Executive Director, Global Internet Policy, Verizon Communications ba.. Ms. Warren, Jennifer A. Alexandria, VA, United States - Vice President, Technology Policy & Regulation, Lockheed Martin Corporation bb.. Mr. Wilson, Paul Brisbane, Australia - Director General, Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) bc.. Mr. Zhao, Chunlu Beijing, China - Deputy Director for International Organizations, Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Industry and Information Technology If the idea is to create a ballot with the 2012 nominees (and enable the addition of others?), I'm in agreement. If that's the case, we should contact the above 7 nominees from 2012 and ascertain their continued availability. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 1/8/2013 1:55 PM, Ian Peter wrote: (just changing the topic slightly as this topic was considering a more general document) While I agree with Avri and others that nominating all last years slate again is a good idea, the last MAG nominations were about 12 months ago and there appears to be a requirement for up to one third to be rotated off. So I do think we need to nominate additional names as well and don't see it as impossible to do so. However, as there seems to be support for all current members, I would like to nominate them all. Thomas, are you reading or should I separately send a nomination of the members to you as Chair of the Nomcom? (I have already completed my co ordinator ballot form so cannot use that for nominations - is there another process I should follow or Thomas can you just pick this up as a nomination of the existing CS members? Ian Peter -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:26 AM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG Hi, One possible easy way out is to just ask the IGC list give consensus agreement to the candidate list that was submitted last year. It is not all that long ago that a lot of work went into creating this list. This has the advantage of recommending that those on that list who were included in this year's MAG have endorsement for continuing and re-suggests the people they did not choose. Note: I suggest this as someone who was not given the honor of being included on that list and thus am not suggesting something that benefits me in any way. avri ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Verveer To Co-Host Inaugural International Forum on Women, Information and Communication Technologies, and Development Message-ID: Dear All, I had the privilege of being invited by Melanne S Verveer to a lunch that she hosted at the State Department in Washington DC last year. There is an interesting 2 day Forum which some of you may be interested in as they are hosting the Inaugural International Forum on Women, ICT and Development. You can also pre-register for the event, see below for details: U.S. Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women's Issues Melanne S. Verveer To Co-Host Inaugural International Forum on Women, Information and Communication Technologies, and Development Notice to the Press Office of the Spokesperson Washington, DC January 8, 2013 ------------------------------ On January 10, at 9:00 a.m. Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women’s Issues Melanne Verveer will convene and deliver remarks at the first international Working Forum on Women, Information and Communication Technologies and Development (WICTAD) at the Institute for International Education (IIE) in Washington, DC. Co-hosted by the Department of State’s Office of Global Women’s Issues and UN Women, WICTAD will bring together representatives from civil society, academia, government, the private sector, and the UN to assess the social, economic, and political implications of the gender gap in Internet access. Participants in the two-day forum will explore opportunities for increased collaboration as well as identify quantifiable goals and strategies for expanding women’s and girls’ access to information and communication technologies (ICTs), related services, and opportunities in the ICT field. Following the WICTAD opening plenary from 9:15 to 10:00 a.m., Intel Corporation will unveil its “Women and the Web” report, a groundbreaking study providing concrete data on the Internet gender gap in the developing world. Following the report launch, Ambassador Verveer will speak on a discussion panel on “The Internet Gender Gap,” beginning at 10:20 a.m. Other WICTAD speakers and panelists include UN Women representative Gulden Turkoz-Cosslet; Shelley Esque, President of Intel Foundation; Lawrence Yanovitch, CEO of GSMA; Gary Fowlie, Head of the International Telecommunications (IT) Liaison Office to the UN; and Minerva Novero-Belec, Policy Specialist with the UN Development Programme; Maura O’Neill, U.S. Agency for International Development Senior Counselor and Chief Innovation Officer, and representatives from the UN Foundation, World Bank, and Grameen Foundation. The remarks, open plenary, report release, and discussion panel will be open to the press. Final access time for press: 8:45 a.m. at IIE offices at 1400 K Street NW, Suite 700. Media representatives may attend this event upon presentation of one of the following: (1) A U.S. Government-issued identification card (Department of State, White House, Congress, Department of Defense, or Foreign Press Center), (2) a media-issued photo identification card, or (3) a letter from their employer on letterhead verifying their employment as a journalist, accompanied by an official photo identification card (driver's license, passport). For further information or to pre-register, please contact SGWI_PA at state.gov . Follow the Forum discussion on Twitter @S_GWI or at #WICTAD and #WomenWeb. PRN: 2013/0011 -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji Twitter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Tel: +679 3544828 Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 22:05:41 2013 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:05:41 -0800 Subject: [governance] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Vint Cerf: Internet competition has "evaporated" Message-ID: <02c201cdee16$35837030$a08a5090$@gmail.com> Interesting discussion pointed to below... but I'm wondering why "competition" should be the only legitimate basis for regulation... Doesn't the public interest extend rather beyond the functioning of the marketplace? M -----Original Message----- From: dewayne-net at warpspeed.com [mailto:dewayne-net at warpspeed.com] On Behalf Of Dewayne Hendricks Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of Dewayne-Net Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Vint Cerf: Internet competition has "evaporated" Vint Cerf: Internet competition has "evaporated" since dial-up Zero regulation for telcos could endanger neutrality, Internet co-creator says. By Jon Brodkin Jan 8 2013 Vint Cerf, co-creator of the Internet, said today he is troubled by the prospect of companies like AT&T avoiding government regulation after the transition from traditional phone technology to all-IP networks. Already, he said, competition was decimated when the Internet moved from dial-up providers to cable companies and telcos. Cerf-who made the Internet possible by co-developing the Internet protocol and Transmission Control Protocol technology 40 years ago-was speaking at the Consumer Electronics Show's "Silvers Summit" on technology geared toward the older population. "Some people think silver surfers don't know how to use technology. I have news for you: some of us invented this stuff," the 69-year-old Cerf noted. This happened to be just one day after AT&T described its plans to retire the traditional Public Switched Telephone Network and become an all-IP telco. As we reported, AT&T wants to make this transition without being subject to what it calls "monopoly-era regulatory obligations," which AT&T thinks are unjustified in the Internet age. Who better to weigh in on that topic than Vint Cerf? He took questions after his talk, and I got the chance to ask Cerf to address AT&T's plan and comment on whether he thinks extensive regulation of all-IP telcos is necessary. Here's what he said: I'm not allowed to use foul language, right? My first observation is that it is vital that we maintain openness and neutral access to the Internet's capabilities. The fact that you can carry voice over the Internet is almost incidental to the fact that you can carry any digital content over the Internet. I would not wish to see the question of regulation turn on the notion that Voice over IP is PSTN or is a replacement for PSTN. It is a replacement for almost everything we can do, all of the old network functions can be done on the Internet. Cerf went on to say network neutrality is important, that we must preserve the right of Internet users to choose what applications and websites they are able to access: [snip] Dewayne-Net RSS Feed: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Tue Jan 8 22:29:33 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:29:33 +0800 Subject: [governance] 2013 Preparations for MAG In-Reply-To: <96852223-BE8C-4A61-A49F-5C8CB2EB87F5@acm.org> References: <96852223-BE8C-4A61-A49F-5C8CB2EB87F5@acm.org> Message-ID: <50ECE41D.6040801@ciroap.org> On 09/01/2013, at 2:03 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Does the text below: > > • Criteria should include suitability of location -conference > facilities, wifi access, open environment that enables discourse; > > Include the lack of Free Expression such as the problem we had in Baku > with the Secretariat being forced by the Host country to stop the > distribution of certain kinds of printed matter. If so, we might want > to be more explicit. We do not want a repeat of Baku this year. It wasn't the host country's doing, from what I understood, but the Secretariat proactively removing material. But maybe you are closer to it than I was and might know better. In any case, I strongly agree. Chengatai gave me a personal commitment to provide a transparent written disclosure for all IGF participants of the rules that apply to distribution of material at the IGF. So far we still haven't seen this. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 *Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:* http://consint.info/RightsMission @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . 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Thanks, Adam On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > On 8 Jan 2013, at 00:57, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > >> On 08/01/13 13:32, Fatima Cambronero wrote: >>> 2013/1/8 Jeremy Malcolm >>> If you don't want to vote for either, don't vote for either. >>> >>> It's not possible because if you don't choose any options the survey says: >>> >>> “One or more mandatory questions have not been answered. You cannot proceed until these have been completed” >> >> True, but it still records your incomplete submission if you exit at that point. >> > > I assume this is only if you exit choosing the 'resume' later field. and not if you exit and clear the survey. > > In any case, I really beleive we need at least an abstain option. > or maybe just a choice of whether one wants to proceed to the election. > > something more than overwhelming ambiguity that seems to force people to choose one or another of the candidates. > > > avri > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue Jan 8 23:37:05 2013 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:07:05 +0530 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> i think it needs to be explicitly mentioned on the ballot and otherwise on the list just before the elections that participation in voting is required (even if excercising a no preference option) to be eligible to vote for charter amendments (but not for other purposes) - and thus for what can in a way be called as the full membership of IGC.... On Wednesday 09 January 2013 10:00 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > Sorry to again forget our rules... but do we have to vote to show > interest as continuing members? > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> On 8 Jan 2013, at 00:57, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> >>> On 08/01/13 13:32, Fatima Cambronero wrote: >>>> 2013/1/8 Jeremy Malcolm >>>> If you don't want to vote for either, don't vote for either. >>>> >>>> It's not possible because if you don't choose any options the survey says: >>>> >>>> “One or more mandatory questions have not been answered. You cannot proceed until these have been completed” >>> True, but it still records your incomplete submission if you exit at that point. >>> >> I assume this is only if you exit choosing the 'resume' later field. and not if you exit and clear the survey. >> >> In any case, I really beleive we need at least an abstain option. >> or maybe just a choice of whether one wants to proceed to the election. >> >> something more than overwhelming ambiguity that seems to force people to choose one or another of the candidates. >> >> >> avri >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Tue Jan 8 23:45:33 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:45:33 +0800 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> On 09/01/13 12:37, parminder wrote: > > i think it needs to be explicitly mentioned on the ballot and > otherwise on the list just before the elections that participation in > voting is required (even if excercising a no preference option) to be > eligible to vote for charter amendments (but not for other purposes) - > and thus for what can in a way be called as the full membership of > IGC.... The charter doesn't say that exercising a no preference option is sufficient. This is where Avri and I have a disagreement. I come from a country with a compulsory preferential voting system, so being forced to vote doesn't seem so obnoxious to me. According to the former Chief Justice of the High Court, even handing in a blank ballot paper is not allowed in Australia (though this is debatable). In the context of the IGC, I feel it is better if everyone who wants to count themselves as a "full" member of the IGC expresses a preference. This is one reason for amending the charter, to make the requirements clearer. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers* Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 *Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015:* http://consint.info/RightsMission @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Wed Jan 9 02:49:38 2013 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:49:38 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: <6B54234D-2587-45E5-A3F5-CD67D2D493CF@gmail.com> References: <6B54234D-2587-45E5-A3F5-CD67D2D493CF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <882B5E43-30B7-4FB2-A2F2-1353CBE8B496@uzh.ch> Me too Bill On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:57, George Sadowsky wrote: > I support them also. > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote: > >> I support these grounds for appeal. >> >> Ivar >> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM, McTim wrote: >>> There was no "ad hominem" attack in the email that caused the >>> complainant to complain. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Wed Jan 9 05:01:32 2013 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:01:32 +0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Vint Cerf: Internet competition has "evaporated" In-Reply-To: <02c201cdee16$35837030$a08a5090$@gmail.com> References: <02c201cdee16$35837030$a08a5090$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50ED3FFC.4020104@digsys.bg> This is an very interesting an funny topic. What is the "public interest" and how does it relate to regulation? The concept of regulation is simple: "We give you monopoly access to limited resource, in exchange you promise to abide by these rules." Anything outside that is abuse. So, what is the public interest with relation to Internet? "Free, fast Internet for everyone"? If so, then most Government will fall victims of "I can promise you things nobody else can do". Companies of all sorts will promise this in exchange for something.. a monopoly here and there, Government protection, state guarantees etc. The trouble with the Internet is that there is choice. Internet grew bottom up before those folks figured out what it is all about. Now, those bribing companies are just some of the many and they usually follow. The public interest in my opinion is to avoid any kind of monopoly deals. Any monopoly deal bring regulation and any regulation bring monopoly deals. Daniel On 09.01.13 05:05, michael gurstein wrote: > Interesting discussion pointed to below... but I'm wondering why > "competition" should be the only legitimate basis for regulation... Doesn't > the public interest extend rather beyond the functioning of the marketplace? > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: dewayne-net at warpspeed.com [mailto:dewayne-net at warpspeed.com] On Behalf > Of Dewayne Hendricks > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:37 PM > To: Multiple recipients of Dewayne-Net > Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Vint Cerf: Internet competition has "evaporated" > > Vint Cerf: Internet competition has "evaporated" since dial-up Zero > regulation for telcos could endanger neutrality, Internet co-creator says. > By Jon Brodkin > Jan 8 2013 > as-evaporated-since-dial-up/> > > Vint Cerf, co-creator of the Internet, said today he is troubled by the > prospect of companies like AT&T avoiding government regulation after the > transition from traditional phone technology to all-IP networks. Already, he > said, competition was decimated when the Internet moved from dial-up > providers to cable companies and telcos. > > Cerf-who made the Internet possible by co-developing the Internet protocol > and Transmission Control Protocol technology 40 years ago-was speaking at > the Consumer Electronics Show's "Silvers Summit" on technology geared toward > the older population. "Some people think silver surfers don't know how to > use technology. I have news for you: some of us invented this stuff," the > 69-year-old Cerf noted. > > This happened to be just one day after AT&T described its plans to retire > the traditional Public Switched Telephone Network and become an all-IP > telco. As we reported, AT&T wants to make this transition without being > subject to what it calls "monopoly-era regulatory obligations," which AT&T > thinks are unjustified in the Internet age. > > Who better to weigh in on that topic than Vint Cerf? He took questions after > his talk, and I got the chance to ask Cerf to address AT&T's plan and > comment on whether he thinks extensive regulation of all-IP telcos is > necessary. Here's what he said: > > I'm not allowed to use foul language, right? > > My first observation is that it is vital that we maintain openness and > neutral access to the Internet's capabilities. The fact that you can carry > voice over the Internet is almost incidental to the fact that you can carry > any digital content over the Internet. I would not wish to see the question > of regulation turn on the notion that Voice over IP is PSTN or is a > replacement for PSTN. It is a replacement for almost everything we can do, > all of the old network functions can be done on the Internet. > > Cerf went on to say network neutrality is important, that we must preserve > the right of Internet users to choose what applications and websites they > are able to access: > > [snip] > > Dewayne-Net RSS Feed: > > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Jan 9 08:03:57 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:03:57 -0500 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> Hi, This is why I have been requesting a NOTA, None of the Above, option. That is a vote. As I read the charter one has to participate in the voting event. One should not be forced to pick a candidate they may not support. We should probably even have the option of writing someone in. Abstain, to my mind is also a vote. It is not really appropriate that you have substituted your opinion, or that of Australia, for a discussion and agreement among the members. avri On 8 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 09/01/13 12:37, parminder wrote: >> >> i think it needs to be explicitly mentioned on the ballot and otherwise on the list just before the elections that participation in voting is required (even if excercising a no preference option) to be eligible to vote for charter amendments (but not for other purposes) - and thus for what can in a way be called as the full membership of IGC.... > > The charter doesn't say that exercising a no preference option is sufficient. This is where Avri and I have a disagreement. I come from a country with a compulsory preferential voting system, so being forced to vote doesn't seem so obnoxious to me. According to the former Chief Justice of the High Court, even handing in a blank ballot paper is not allowed in Australia (though this is debatable). In the context of the IGC, I feel it is better if everyone who wants to count themselves as a "full" member of the IGC expresses a preference. This is one reason for amending the charter, to make the requirements clearer. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Senior Policy Officer > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 08:46:40 2013 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:46:40 -0400 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> Message-ID: In my country's electoral system, submitting what is referred to as a "spoilt ballot" (e.g. not ticking any of the candidates. writing in None of the Above, writing in your own candidate, scratching off any or all of the names) counts as you participating in the democratic process, even if it doesn't count as a "vote", per se. In other words, because it is a secret ballot, you have been counted as "voting", even if your vote does not eventually count. Some people use it as a "protest vote" I must say that I treasure that flexibility as part of the democratic process. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilt_vote#Intentional_spoiling: "Spoiled votes may be the result of a deliberate act by the voter; some proportion are likely to be protest votes, especially in systems where voting is compulsory ." "However, in countries such as the UK where spoilt ballots are counted, some voters will deliberately spoil their ballot paper to show disapproval of the candidates available whilst still taking part in the electoral process. This may include signing or printing the voter's name on the ballot slip." On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > This is why I have been requesting a NOTA, None of the Above, option. > > That is a vote. > > As I read the charter one has to participate in the voting event. One > should not be forced to pick a candidate they may not support. We should > probably even have the option of writing someone in. > > Abstain, to my mind is also a vote. > > It is not really appropriate that you have substituted your opinion, or > that of Australia, for a discussion and agreement among the members. > > avri > > > > On 8 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > > On 09/01/13 12:37, parminder wrote: > >> > >> i think it needs to be explicitly mentioned on the ballot and > otherwise on the list just before the elections that participation in > voting is required (even if excercising a no preference option) to be > eligible to vote for charter amendments (but not for other purposes) - and > thus for what can in a way be called as the full membership of IGC.... > > > > The charter doesn't say that exercising a no preference option is > sufficient. This is where Avri and I have a disagreement. I come from a > country with a compulsory preferential voting system, so being forced to > vote doesn't seem so obnoxious to me. According to the former Chief > Justice of the High Court, even handing in a blank ballot paper is not > allowed in Australia (though this is debatable). In the context of the > IGC, I feel it is better if everyone who wants to count themselves as a > "full" member of the IGC expresses a preference. This is one reason for > amending the charter, to make the requirements clearer. > > > > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > > Senior Policy Officer > > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > > > Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: > http://consint.info/RightsMission > > > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Wed Jan 9 09:23:19 2013 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:23:19 +0800 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> Message-ID: On 09/01/2013, at 9:46 PM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote: > In my country's electoral system, submitting what is referred to as a "spoilt ballot" (e.g. not ticking any of the candidates. writing in None of the Above, writing in your own candidate, scratching off any or all of the names) counts as you participating in the democratic process, even if it doesn't count as a "vote", per se. My point exactly, the charter doesn't talk about "participating in the democratic process", it talks about "voting". But anyway, so far 16 out of 111 respondents have decided to participate in the democratic process without voting, ie. bailed out before choosing a coordinator. So that's the option that you have if you want to affirm your membership but don't want to vote. Begin answering, then bail out (without choosing the option to clear your answers) before casting your vote. I can't add in a NOTA option now, even if I accepted that it was a good idea (which I don't), because the questions can't be changed while the ballot is already in progress. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: http://consint.info/RightsMission @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 10:29:44 2013 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:29:44 -0500 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> Message-ID: I agree with Avri and Tracy. My perception (personal opinion) is that the important thing is to exercise one's right to vote, rather than to make a specific choice, and my reading of the charter (personal opinion) is that the requirement is for demonstration of sufficient interest in the process to take part in it, rather than for the indication of which, among the listed candidates, is the "voter's" choice.Anyway, I interpret "to vote" to mean to make a formal indication of choice; that choice can be a name from the list or "none of the above". This is how I see it anyway. Deirdre On 9 January 2013 08:46, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote: > In my country's electoral system, submitting what is referred to as a > "spoilt ballot" (e.g. not ticking any of the candidates. writing in None of > the Above, writing in your own candidate, scratching off any or all of the > names) counts as you participating in the democratic process, even if it > doesn't count as a "vote", per se. In other words, because it is a secret > ballot, you have been counted as "voting", even if your vote does not > eventually count. > > Some people use it as a "protest vote" > > I must say that I treasure that flexibility as part of the democratic > process. > > From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilt_vote#Intentional_spoiling: > > "Spoiled votes may be the result of a deliberate act by the voter; some > proportion are likely to be protest votes, > especially in systems where voting is compulsory > ." > > "However, in countries such as the UK where > spoilt ballots are counted, some voters will deliberately spoil their > ballot paper to show disapproval of the candidates available whilst still > taking part in the electoral process. This may include signing or printing > the voter's name on the ballot slip." > > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This is why I have been requesting a NOTA, None of the Above, option. >> >> That is a vote. >> >> As I read the charter one has to participate in the voting event. One >> should not be forced to pick a candidate they may not support. We should >> probably even have the option of writing someone in. >> >> Abstain, to my mind is also a vote. >> >> It is not really appropriate that you have substituted your opinion, or >> that of Australia, for a discussion and agreement among the members. >> >> avri >> >> >> >> On 8 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> >> > On 09/01/13 12:37, parminder wrote: >> >> >> >> i think it needs to be explicitly mentioned on the ballot and >> otherwise on the list just before the elections that participation in >> voting is required (even if excercising a no preference option) to be >> eligible to vote for charter amendments (but not for other purposes) - and >> thus for what can in a way be called as the full membership of IGC.... >> > >> > The charter doesn't say that exercising a no preference option is >> sufficient. This is where Avri and I have a disagreement. I come from a >> country with a compulsory preferential voting system, so being forced to >> vote doesn't seem so obnoxious to me. According to the former Chief >> Justice of the High Court, even handing in a blank ballot paper is not >> allowed in Australia (though this is debatable). In the context of the >> IGC, I feel it is better if everyone who wants to count themselves as a >> "full" member of the IGC expresses a preference. This is one reason for >> amending the charter, to make the requirements clearer. >> > >> > -- >> > Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> > Senior Policy Officer >> > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers >> > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> > >> > Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: >> http://consint.info/RightsMission >> > >> > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | >> www.facebook.com/consumersinternational >> > >> > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >> necessary. >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 10:43:33 2013 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:13:33 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: a formal appeal request to the appeal team to reverse the recent ban on a Member In-Reply-To: <882B5E43-30B7-4FB2-A2F2-1353CBE8B496@uzh.ch> References: <6B54234D-2587-45E5-A3F5-CD67D2D493CF@gmail.com> <882B5E43-30B7-4FB2-A2F2-1353CBE8B496@uzh.ch> Message-ID: I support the appeal request. Sivasubramanian M On Jan 9, 2013 1:19 PM, "William Drake" wrote: > Me too > > Bill > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:57, George Sadowsky > wrote: > > I support them also. > > On Jan 8, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote: > > I support these grounds for appeal. > > Ivar > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM, McTim wrote: > >> There was no "ad hominem" attack in the email that caused the >> complainant to complain. >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 10:54:16 2013 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:24:16 +0530 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> Message-ID: I agree. None of the above / abstain needs to be included as one of the options, and this needs to count as a vote. On Jan 9, 2013 6:34 PM, "Avri Doria" wrote: > Hi, > > This is why I have been requesting a NOTA, None of the Above, option. > > That is a vote. > > As I read the charter one has to participate in the voting event. One > should not be forced to pick a candidate they may not support. We should > probably even have the option of writing someone in. > > Abstain, to my mind is also a vote. > > It is not really appropriate that you have substituted your opinion, or > that of Australia, for a discussion and agreement among the members. > > avri > > > > On 8 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > > On 09/01/13 12:37, parminder wrote: > >> > >> i think it needs to be explicitly mentioned on the ballot and > otherwise on the list just before the elections that participation in > voting is required (even if excercising a no preference option) to be > eligible to vote for charter amendments (but not for other purposes) - and > thus for what can in a way be called as the full membership of IGC.... > > > > The charter doesn't say that exercising a no preference option is > sufficient. This is where Avri and I have a disagreement. I come from a > country with a compulsory preferential voting system, so being forced to > vote doesn't seem so obnoxious to me. According to the former Chief > Justice of the High Court, even handing in a blank ballot paper is not > allowed in Australia (though this is debatable). In the context of the > IGC, I feel it is better if everyone who wants to count themselves as a > "full" member of the IGC expresses a preference. This is one reason for > amending the charter, to make the requirements clearer. > > > > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > > Senior Policy Officer > > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers > > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > > > Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: > http://consint.info/RightsMission > > > > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational > > > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Jan 9 11:24:30 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:24:30 -0500 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Needs signatories Message-ID: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> Amendments to the Charter This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. ---------- Amendment 1: Currently the charter reads as: " Any such request will require a public response from the coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an explanation of the reasons for the action. All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: " Any such request will require a public response from the coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an explanation of the reasons for the action. All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " Amendment 2: Currently the Nomcom process reads as: " 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. " Proposed changes 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms Change text to: " 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. " -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Jan 9 11:25:02 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:25:02 -0500 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Nomcom Issue. Needs signatories Message-ID: <520DA55E-F2AA-4A25-B99F-2F86C90B6CBA@acm.org> Amendments to the Charter This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. ---------- Amendment 1: Currently the charter reads as: " Any such request will require a public response from the coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an explanation of the reasons for the action. All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: " Any such request will require a public response from the coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an explanation of the reasons for the action. All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " Amendment 2: Currently the Nomcom process reads as: " 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. " Proposed changes 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms Change text to: " 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. " -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Jan 9 11:33:25 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:33:25 -0500 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories Message-ID: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> Amendments to the Charter This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. ---------- Currently the charter reads as: " As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. " Changes proposed: 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. " Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice included on the ballot. " -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Wed Jan 9 11:36:13 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:36:13 +0100 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> References: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> Message-ID: <20130109173613.5b43c4e2@quill.bollow.ch> Hi Avri Could you please clarify what exactly you propose to change as per the proposed "Amendment 1"? Greetings, Norbert Avri Doria wrote: > Amendments to the Charter > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than > ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of > the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the > charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In > amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election > will be deemed a member for amending the charter. > > ---------- > > Amendment 1: > > Currently the charter reads as: > > " > Any such request will require a public response from the > coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an > explanation of the reasons for the action. > > All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process > as defined here. " > > > > Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: > > " > Any such request will require a public response from the > coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an > explanation of the reasons for the action. > > All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process > as defined here. " > > > Amendment 2: > > Currently the Nomcom process reads > as: > > " > 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be > disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where > several different nominating committees would need to be completed in > a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating > committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating > committee to fill several functions. > > 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve > on. " > > Proposed changes > > 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year > 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms > > Change text to: > > " > 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. > > 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two > consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term > limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An > intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting > chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A > term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. " > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 11:44:01 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:44:01 -0500 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: <20130109173613.5b43c4e2@quill.bollow.ch> References: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> <20130109173613.5b43c4e2@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Hi Avri > > Could you please clarify what exactly you propose to change as per the > proposed "Amendment 1"? I can't see the difference tween the 2 sets of text either. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Jan 9 11:49:54 2013 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:49:54 -0500 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> References: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> Message-ID: <7A95D3C2-A054-43B1-A618-5C4308996EF8@acm.org> Thanks for point out that I neglected to Include the heading I meant to add. On 9 Jan 2013, at 11:24, Avri Doria wrote: > Amendments to the Charter This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. ---------- Amendment 1: Currently the charter reads as: " Any such request will require a public response from the coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an explanation of the reasons for the action. All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: " Any such request will require a public response from the coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an explanation of the reasons for the action. Nominations to External Bodies All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process as defined here. " Amendment 2: Currently the Nomcom process reads as: " 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. " Proposed changes 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms Change text to: " 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. " ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Wed Jan 9 12:45:14 2013 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:45:14 +0100 Subject: [governance] Typo corrected amendments suggestion (adding a heading, nomcom) (was Re: Suggested amendment...) In-Reply-To: <7A95D3C2-A054-43B1-A618-5C4308996EF8@acm.org> References: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> <7A95D3C2-A054-43B1-A618-5C4308996EF8@acm.org> Message-ID: <20130109184514.161a2e18@quill.bollow.ch> I support the two amendment proposals below, subject to the noted typo corrections... Greetings, Norbert Avri Doria wrote: > Thanks for point out that I neglected to Include the heading I meant > to add. > > On 9 Jan 2013, at 11:24, Avri Doria wrote: > > > Amendments to the Charter > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than > ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of > the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the > charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In > amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election > will be deemed a member for amending the charter. > > ---------- > > Amendment 1: > > Currently the charter reads as: > > " > Any such request will require a public response from the > coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an > explanation of the reasons for the action. > > All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process > as defined here. " > > > > Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: > > " > Any such request will require a public response from the > coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an > explanation of the reasons for the action. > > Nominations to External Bodies > > > All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder "multistakholder" -> "multistakeholder" > advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process > as defined here. " > > > Amendment 2: > > Currently the Nomcom process reads > as: > > " > 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be > disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where > several different nominating committees would need to be completed in > a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating > committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating > committee to fill several functions. > > 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve > on. " > > Proposed changes > > 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year > 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms > > Change text to: > > " > 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. > > 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two > consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term > limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An > intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting "beofe" -> "before" "intervening year" -> "years" (this change corrects the accidental duplication of the word "intervening" and the omission of the plural-s after "year") > chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A > term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. " -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pranesh at cis-india.org Wed Jan 9 15:46:24 2013 From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:16:24 +0530 Subject: [governance] Typo corrected amendments suggestion (adding a heading, nomcom) (was Re: Suggested amendment...) In-Reply-To: <20130109184514.161a2e18@quill.bollow.ch> References: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> <7A95D3C2-A054-43B1-A618-5C4308996EF8@acm.org> <20130109184514.161a2e18@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <50EDD720.3090303@cis-india.org> I can't think of any good reasons against the proposed amendments, and support both Amendment 1, and Amendment 2 (both parts). Minor corrections: "term limited" -> "term-limited" "term -limited" -> "term-limited" / "limited-term" ~ Pranesh Norbert Bollow [2013-01-09 23:15]: > I support the two amendment proposals below, subject to the > noted typo corrections... > > Greetings, > Norbert > > Avri Doria wrote: >> Thanks for point out that I neglected to Include the heading I meant >> to add. >> >> On 9 Jan 2013, at 11:24, Avri Doria wrote: >> >>> Amendments to the Charter >> >> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than >> ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of >> the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the >> charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In >> amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election >> will be deemed a member for amending the charter. >> >> ---------- >> >> Amendment 1: >> >> Currently the charter reads as: >> >> " >> Any such request will require a public response from the >> coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an >> explanation of the reasons for the action. >> >> All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder >> advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process >> as defined here. " >> >> >> >> Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: >> >> " >> Any such request will require a public response from the >> coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an >> explanation of the reasons for the action. >> >> Nominations to External Bodies >> >> >> All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > > "multistakholder" -> "multistakeholder" > >> advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process >> as defined here. " >> >> >> Amendment 2: >> >> Currently the Nomcom process reads >> as: >> >> " >> 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where >> several different nominating committees would need to be completed in >> a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating >> committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating >> committee to fill several functions. >> >> 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve >> on. " >> >> Proposed changes >> >> 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year >> 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms >> >> Change text to: >> >> " >> 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. >> >> 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two >> consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term >> limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An >> intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting > > "beofe" -> "before" > > "intervening year" -> "years" (this change corrects the accidental > duplication of the word "intervening" and the omission of the plural-s > after "year") > >> chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A >> term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. 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Needs signatories In-Reply-To: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> Message-ID: Happy to sign to support these proposed changes to the Charter going to the IGC Membership for fiscussion/vote and possible ratification if the 2/3rds in support requirement is met for the change. Cheryl Langdon-Orr On 10/01/2013 3:33 AM, "Avri Doria" wrote: > > Amendments to the Charter > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten > (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the > members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter > are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the > charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a > member for amending the charter. > > ---------- > > Currently the charter reads as: > > " > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that > they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described > elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information > (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). > The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision > based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters > will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > " > Changes proposed: > > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the > vote. > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. > > > " > > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they > are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in > this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter > must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to > self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the > criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be > published after the election with the results of the election. > > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice > included on the ballot. > > " > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:02:16 2013 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:02:16 +0500 Subject: [governance] Typo corrected amendments suggestion (adding a heading, nomcom) (was Re: Suggested amendment...) In-Reply-To: <20130109184514.161a2e18@quill.bollow.ch> References: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> <7A95D3C2-A054-43B1-A618-5C4308996EF8@acm.org> <20130109184514.161a2e18@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: +1 -- Foo On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > I support the two amendment proposals below, subject to the > noted typo corrections... > > Greetings, > Norbert > > Avri Doria wrote: >> Thanks for point out that I neglected to Include the heading I meant >> to add. >> >> On 9 Jan 2013, at 11:24, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> > Amendments to the Charter >> >> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than >> ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of >> the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the >> charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In >> amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election >> will be deemed a member for amending the charter. >> >> ---------- >> >> Amendment 1: >> >> Currently the charter reads as: >> >> " >> Any such request will require a public response from the >> coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an >> explanation of the reasons for the action. >> >> All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder >> advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process >> as defined here. " >> >> >> >> Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: >> >> " >> Any such request will require a public response from the >> coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an >> explanation of the reasons for the action. >> >> Nominations to External Bodies >> >> >> All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > > "multistakholder" -> "multistakeholder" > >> advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process >> as defined here. " >> >> >> Amendment 2: >> >> Currently the Nomcom process reads >> as: >> >> " >> 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be >> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where >> several different nominating committees would need to be completed in >> a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating >> committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating >> committee to fill several functions. >> >> 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve >> on. " >> >> Proposed changes >> >> 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year >> 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms >> >> Change text to: >> >> " >> 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. >> >> 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two >> consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term >> limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An >> intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting > > "beofe" -> "before" > > "intervening year" -> "years" (this change corrects the accidental > duplication of the word "intervening" and the omission of the plural-s > after "year") > >> chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A >> term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. " > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:06:24 2013 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:06:24 +0500 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> Message-ID: I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. -- best Fouad On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Amendments to the Charter > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. > > ---------- > > Currently the charter reads as: > > " > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > " > Changes proposed: > > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. > > > " > > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice included on the ballot. > > " > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ginger at paque.net Wed Jan 9 16:15:47 2013 From: ginger at paque.net (Ginger Paque) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:15:47 -0600 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> Message-ID: I support these amendments as well. Thanks Avri. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:06, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging > improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. > > -- best > > Fouad > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > > Amendments to the Charter > > > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten > (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the > members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter > are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the > charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a > member for amending the charter. > > > > ---------- > > > > Currently the charter reads as: > > > > " > > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that > they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described > elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information > (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). > The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision > based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters > will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > > > " > > Changes proposed: > > > > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of > the vote. > > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. > > > > > > " > > > > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that > they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described > elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information > (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). > The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision > based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters > will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > > > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice > included on the ballot. > > > > " > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Jan 9 16:24:02 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:24:02 +1100 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> Message-ID: <0511151AED814DE3AF5DB1CB035A3A21@Toshiba> while I having no problem with this wording, I would prefer if we are going through charter amendments that we do so taking into account the charter reform group recommendations as well (as mentioned by Jeremy recently). In other words, lets do the whole package. From: Ginger Paque Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:15 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: Avri Doria Subject: Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories I support these amendments as well. Thanks Avri. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:06, Fouad Bajwa wrote: I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. -- best Fouad On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Amendments to the Charter > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. > > ---------- > > Currently the charter reads as: > > " > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > " > Changes proposed: > > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. > > > " > > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice included on the ballot. > > " > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If there are issues that you would like to see please respond to this thread. Thank you. Kind Regards, Sala On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > The World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) Forum 2013 will be > jointly organized by UNESCO, ITU, UNCTAD and UNDP in Geneva, Switzerland, > from 13 to 17 May 2013. It would be good to ascertain how many from the > IGC plan on attending the WSIS 2013 and will be hosting Workshops? > > We will also begin preparations of preparing an Official Contribution > prior to 21st January 2013. As such I would like to make an open call for > volunteers who are interested in a Working Group that will comprise of > those who will attend physically and those who will participate remotely in > the WSIS. > > The Working Group will be responsible in consolidating ideas from the IGC > and preparing for the WSIS, hosting workshops and also submitting the > Official documents for the IGC. The deadline for the official contributions > and binding requests for workshops will need to be finalised before 10th > January, 2012 at 10.00pm UTC +12and put to the IGC for open consultations > till 14th January, 2012 at 10.00pm UTC+12 . The Working Group will have 48 > hours to prepare a Draft by 16th January, 2012. This will then be put > again to the IGC for final review and edits. The Chairs will be expected to > provide a short brief report and submit the Official Contribution on behalf > of the IGC to the WSIS 2013. > > > > See: > http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/events/all-events/?tx_browser_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=5560&cHash=04dad58b71 > or http://www.itu.int/wsis/implementation/2013/forum/ > > *WSIS 2013 Schedule* > * > * > Phase I - 8 October 2012 > > - Opening of the Open Consultations > > • Online Dialogues > > • Official Submissions Form > > Phase II - 16 November 2012 > > - > > First Physical Meeting, > 15h00-18h00, Room H, ITU Headquarters, Geneva > > Phase III - 21 January 2013 > > - Deadline for the submission of the Official Contributions and > binding requests for Workshops > > Phase IV - 15 February 2013 > > - Final Review Meeting > > Phase V - 16 April 2013 > > - Final Brief > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > P.O. 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Needs signatories In-Reply-To: <0511151AED814DE3AF5DB1CB035A3A21@Toshiba> References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> <0511151AED814DE3AF5DB1CB035A3A21@Toshiba> Message-ID: I agree with you in principle, Ian, but I think we are more likely to get progress and agreement if we go piece by piece, than if we try to do it as a complete reform package. I suggest that we continue to gather support for these amendments, and then continue the process. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:24, Ian Peter wrote: > while I having no problem with this wording, I would prefer if we are > going through charter amendments that we do so taking into account the > charter reform group recommendations as well (as mentioned by Jeremy > recently). In other words, lets do the whole package. > > > > *From:* Ginger Paque > *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:15 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Cc:* Avri Doria > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. > Needs signatories > > I support these amendments as well. Thanks Avri. > Ginger > > > On 9 January 2013 15:06, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > >> I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging >> improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. >> >> -- best >> >> Fouad >> >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> > >> > Amendments to the Charter >> > >> > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than >> ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the >> members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter >> are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the >> charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a >> member for amending the charter. >> > >> > ---------- >> > >> > Currently the charter reads as: >> > >> > " >> > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that >> they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described >> elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information >> (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). >> The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision >> based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters >> will be published after the election with the results of the election. >> > >> > " >> > Changes proposed: >> > >> > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of >> the vote. >> > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. >> > >> > >> > " >> > >> > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that >> they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described >> elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information >> (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). >> The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision >> based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters >> will be published after the election with the results of the election. >> > >> > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any >> choice included on the ballot. >> > >> > " >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:40:19 2013 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:40:19 -0500 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > Happy to sign to support these proposed changes to the Charter going to the > IGC Membership for fiscussion/vote and possible ratification if the 2/3rds > in support requirement is met for the change. +1 -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sonigituekpe at CROSSRIVERSTATE.GOV.NG Wed Jan 9 18:15:48 2013 From: sonigituekpe at CROSSRIVERSTATE.GOV.NG (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:15:48 +0000 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories Message-ID: <2uk60qxjs24d0kkveib741u7.1357771863694@email.android.com> +1 Ginger is very direct. And that is the diplomatic approach. Bless her each time. Best regards from, Sonigitu Ekpe Committee Secretary, State Committee on Agriculture and Rural Development on Flood Food Recovery and Double-Up Food Production Programme. 3 Barracks Road Calabar - Nigeria. +234 8050232469 Ginger Paque wrote: I agree with you in principle, Ian, but I think we are more likely to get progress and agreement if we go piece by piece, than if we try to do it as a complete reform package. I suggest that we continue to gather support for these amendments, and then continue the process. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:24, Ian Peter > wrote: while I having no problem with this wording, I would prefer if we are going through charter amendments that we do so taking into account the charter reform group recommendations as well (as mentioned by Jeremy recently). In other words, lets do the whole package. From: Ginger Paque Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:15 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: Avri Doria Subject: Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories I support these amendments as well. Thanks Avri. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:06, Fouad Bajwa > wrote: I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. -- best Fouad On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria > wrote: > > Amendments to the Charter > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. > > ---------- > > Currently the charter reads as: > > " > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > " > Changes proposed: > > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. > > > " > > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice included on the ballot. > > " > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 18:37:02 2013 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:37:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> <0511151AED814DE3AF5DB1CB035A3A21@Toshiba> Message-ID: <1357774622.28613.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I agree with Ginger. Option one may raise many questions. We may have support for only one or other amendments ! Shaila   >Changes proposed: >> 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Ginger Paque To: Ian Peter Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" ; Avri Doria Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories I agree with you in principle, Ian, but I think we are more likely to get progress and agreement if we go piece by piece, than if we try to do it as a complete reform package. I suggest that we continue to gather support for these amendments, and then continue the process. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:24, Ian Peter wrote: while I having no problem with this wording, I would prefer if we are going through charter amendments that we do so taking into account the charter reform group recommendations as well (as mentioned by Jeremy recently). In other words, lets do the whole package. >  >   >From: Ginger Paque >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:15 AM >To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >Cc: Avri Doria >Subject: Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories >  I support these amendments as well. Thanks Avri. >Ginger > > > > >On 9 January 2013 15:06, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > >I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging >>improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. >> >>-- best >> >>Fouad >> >>On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> Amendments to the Charter >>> >>> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. >>> >>> ---------- >>> >>> Currently the charter   reads as: >>> >>> " >>> As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. >>> >>> " >>> Changes proposed: >>> >>> 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. >>> 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. >>> >>> >>> " >>> >>> Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. >>> >>> All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice included on the ballot. >>> >>> " >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>      governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >> >> >>-- >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >>For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >>Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >  >________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 19:19:56 2013 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:19:56 -0400 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> <0511151AED814DE3AF5DB1CB035A3A21@Toshiba> Message-ID: +1 Avri, Ginger. On Jan 9, 2013 5:50 PM, "Ginger Paque" wrote: > I agree with you in principle, Ian, but I think we are more likely to get > progress and agreement if we go piece by piece, than if we try to do it as > a complete reform package. I suggest that we continue to gather support for > these amendments, and then continue the process. > Ginger > > > On 9 January 2013 15:24, Ian Peter wrote: > >> while I having no problem with this wording, I would prefer if we are >> going through charter amendments that we do so taking into account the >> charter reform group recommendations as well (as mentioned by Jeremy >> recently). In other words, lets do the whole package. >> >> >> >> *From:* Ginger Paque >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:15 AM >> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Cc:* Avri Doria >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. >> Needs signatories >> >> I support these amendments as well. Thanks Avri. >> Ginger >> >> >> On 9 January 2013 15:06, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >> >>> I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging >>> improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. >>> >>> -- best >>> >>> Fouad >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> > >>> > Amendments to the Charter >>> > >>> > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than >>> ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the >>> members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter >>> are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the >>> charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a >>> member for amending the charter. >>> > >>> > ---------- >>> > >>> > Currently the charter reads as: >>> > >>> > " >>> > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that >>> they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described >>> elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information >>> (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). >>> The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision >>> based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters >>> will be published after the election with the results of the election. >>> > >>> > " >>> > Changes proposed: >>> > >>> > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of >>> the vote. >>> > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. >>> > >>> > >>> > " >>> > >>> > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that >>> they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described >>> elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information >>> (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). >>> The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision >>> based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters >>> will be published after the election with the results of the election. >>> > >>> > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any >>> choice included on the ballot. >>> > >>> > " >>> > >>> > ____________________________________________________________ >>> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> > To be removed from the list, visit: >>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> > >>> > For all other list information and functions, see: >>> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> > >>> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Jan 9 19:25:34 2013 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:25:34 +1100 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: <1357774622.28613.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> <0511151AED814DE3AF5DB1CB035A3A21@Toshiba> <1357774622.28613.YahooMailNeo@web160506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: no worries, I am happy with the approach Ginger suggests if thats how people want to proceed. Cc: Avri Doria Subject: Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories I agree with Ginger. Option one may raise many questions. We may have support for only one or other amendments ! Shaila >Changes proposed: >> 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ginger Paque To: Ian Peter Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" ; Avri Doria Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories I agree with you in principle, Ian, but I think we are more likely to get progress and agreement if we go piece by piece, than if we try to do it as a complete reform package. I suggest that we continue to gather support for these amendments, and then continue the process. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:24, Ian Peter wrote: while I having no problem with this wording, I would prefer if we are going through charter amendments that we do so taking into account the charter reform group recommendations as well (as mentioned by Jeremy recently). In other words, lets do the whole package. From: Ginger Paque Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:15 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Cc: Avri Doria Subject: Re: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories I support these amendments as well. Thanks Avri. Ginger On 9 January 2013 15:06, Fouad Bajwa wrote: I support the amendments made below. I am also in favor of encouraging improvements to meet the demand of present and future needs. -- best Fouad On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Amendments to the Charter > > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. > > ---------- > > Currently the charter reads as: > > " > As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > " > Changes proposed: > > 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. > 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. > > > " > > Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. > > All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice included on the ballot. > > " > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rudi.vansnick at isoc.be Wed Jan 9 19:25:58 2013 From: rudi.vansnick at isoc.be (Rudi Vansnick) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:25:58 +0100 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> Message-ID: <3C24FC9C-297E-4CC2-9D90-7D4131F1DADF@isoc.be> +1 Rudi Vansnick On 10/01/2013 3:33 AM, "Avri Doria" wrote: Amendments to the Charter This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. ---------- Currently the charter reads as: " As part of the voting process the voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form in order to vote). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. " Changes proposed: 1. Indicate that the affirmation is prior to the vote and not part of the vote. 2. require that all ballot include the ability to abstain. " Prior to voting the prospective voter must personally ascertain that they are a member of the IGC based on membership criteria described elsewhere in this charter and posted as part of the voting information (i.e. a voter must affirm membership on the voter form prior to voting). The decision to self-identify as a member of the IGC is a personal decision based on the criteria defined. A list of the self-defined member-voters will be published after the election with the results of the election. All ballots will include the ability for voters to abstain on any choice included on the ballot. " ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chaitanyabd at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 20:56:19 2013 From: chaitanyabd at gmail.com (Chaitanya Dhareshwar) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:26:19 +0530 Subject: [governance] Typo corrected amendments suggestion (adding a heading, nomcom) (was Re: Suggested amendment...) In-Reply-To: <50EDD720.3090303@cis-india.org> References: <7E9B2FE7-631E-48EA-8FE9-A50886EF107F@acm.org> <7A95D3C2-A054-43B1-A618-5C4308996EF8@acm.org> <20130109184514.161a2e18@quill.bollow.ch> <50EDD720.3090303@cis-india.org> Message-ID: +1 On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote: > I can't think of any good reasons against the proposed amendments, and > support both Amendment 1, and Amendment 2 (both parts). > > Minor corrections: > "term limited" -> "term-limited" > "term -limited" -> "term-limited" / "limited-term" > > ~ Pranesh > > Norbert Bollow [2013-01-09 23:15]: > > I support the two amendment proposals below, subject to the > > noted typo corrections... > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > Avri Doria wrote: > >> Thanks for point out that I neglected to Include the heading I meant > >> to add. > >> > >> On 9 Jan 2013, at 11:24, Avri Doria wrote: > >> > >>> Amendments to the Charter > >> > >> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than > >> ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of > >> the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the > >> charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In > >> amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election > >> will be deemed a member for amending the charter. > >> > >> ---------- > >> > >> Amendment 1: > >> > >> Currently the charter reads as: > >> > >> " > >> Any such request will require a public response from the > >> coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an > >> explanation of the reasons for the action. > >> > >> All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > >> advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process > >> as defined here. " > >> > >> > >> > >> Add Heading to Nominations section. New text: > >> > >> " > >> Any such request will require a public response from the > >> coordinators' within a week indicating the action taken and with an > >> explanation of the reasons for the action. > >> > >> Nominations to External Bodies > >> > >> > >> All nominations to external bodies, e.g., the IGF multistakholder > > > > "multistakholder" -> "multistakeholder" > > > >> advisory group, will be made using a randomly selected nomcom process > >> as defined here. " > >> > >> > >> Amendment 2: > >> > >> Currently the Nomcom process reads > >> as: > >> > >> " > >> 8. Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be > >> disbanded after the decision is made.However, in special cases where > >> several different nominating committees would need to be completed in > >> a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating > >> committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating > >> committee to fill several functions. > >> > >> 9. There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve > >> on. " > >> > >> Proposed changes > >> > >> 1. Change to 1 Nomcom per year > >> 2. Restrict members of Nomcom to 2 consecutive terms > >> > >> Change text to: > >> > >> " > >> 8. Each Nomcom will serve for one year. > >> > >> 9. Nomcom Volunteers and non-voting chairs may serve a maximum of two > >> consecutive terms. An intervening year is required before any term > >> limited volunteer may volunteer for the random process. An > >> intervening two (2) intervening year are required beofe a non-voting > > > > "beofe" -> "before" > > > > "intervening year" -> "years" (this change corrects the accidental > > duplication of the word "intervening" and the omission of the plural-s > > after "year") > > > >> chair may serve again as either a volunteer or a non-voting chair. A > >> term -limited volunteer may serve as non-voting chair. " > > > > > -- > Pranesh Prakash > Policy Director > Centre for Internet and Society > T: +91 80 40926283 | W: http://cis-india.org > PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: @pranesh_prakash > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nhklein at gmx.net Wed Jan 9 21:22:18 2013 From: nhklein at gmx.net (Norbert Klein) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:22:18 +0700 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. Voting. Needs signatories In-Reply-To: References: <71DE6F37-0C23-4CF2-9984-98FB3688F224@acm.org> <0511151AED814DE3AF5DB1CB035A3A21@Toshiba> Message-ID: <50EE25DA.2040909@gmx.net> In this sense I also support the presently suggested amendments. Norbert Klein On 10 1.2013 4:49, Ginger Paque wrote: > I agree with you in principle, Ian, but I think we are more likely to > get progress and agreement if we go piece by piece, than if we try to > do it as a complete reform package. I suggest that we continue to > gather support for these amendments, and then continue the process. > Ginger > > > On 9 January 2013 15:24, Ian Peter > wrote: > > while I having no problem with this wording, I would prefer if we > are going through charter amendments that we do so taking into > account the charter reform group recommendations as well (as > mentioned by Jeremy recently). In other words, lets do the whole > package. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Wed Jan 9 21:58:51 2013 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:58:51 +0900 Subject: [governance] Coordinator election in progress In-Reply-To: References: <50EB8723.7070707@ciroap.org> <7B0CDFC9-00D8-4E4B-AAC5-6444296ED667@acm.org> <50EBA57D.6010201@ciroap.org> <50EBB536.7030503@ciroap.org> <50ECF3F1.4060301@itforchange.net> <50ECF5ED.5030302@ciroap.org> <578DD3EF-72F7-47F9-A6D7-EDB07AB8D2D2@acm.org> Message-ID: In Japan, for formal voting, we usually vote without writing any name, making a blank ballot and put them into the box. (we are still hand writing the names of the candidates). Likewise, it looks natural to me to prepare a choice - Abstain/non of the above, in addition to the explicit names of the candidates. I accept that this time it is too late, but hope that make sure to reach consensus for Charter and actual voting system before our next vote. (ah, Charter change requires the voting as well ;-). izumi 2013/1/10 Sivasubramanian M : > I agree. None of the above / abstain needs to be included as one of the > options, and this needs to count as a vote. > > On Jan 9, 2013 6:34 PM, "Avri Doria" wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> This is why I have been requesting a NOTA, None of the Above, option. >> >> That is a vote. >> >> As I read the charter one has to participate in the voting event. One >> should not be forced to pick a candidate they may not support. We should >> probably even have the option of writing someone in. >> >> Abstain, to my mind is also a vote. >> >> It is not really appropriate that you have substituted your opinion, or >> that of Australia, for a discussion and agreement among the members. >> >> avri >> >> >> >> On 8 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> >> > On 09/01/13 12:37, parminder wrote: >> >> >> >> i think it needs to be explicitly mentioned on the ballot and >> >> otherwise on the list just before the elections that participation in >> >> voting is required (even if excercising a no preference option) to be >> >> eligible to vote for charter amendments (but not for other purposes) - and >> >> thus for what can in a way be called as the full membership of IGC.... >> > >> > The charter doesn't say that exercising a no preference option is >> > sufficient. This is where Avri and I have a disagreement. I come from a >> > country with a compulsory preferential voting system, so being forced to >> > vote doesn't seem so obnoxious to me. According to the former Chief Justice >> > of the High Court, even handing in a blank ballot paper is not allowed in >> > Australia (though this is debatable). In the context of the IGC, I feel it >> > is better if everyone who wants to count themselves as a "full" member of >> > the IGC expresses a preference. This is one reason for amending the >> > charter, to make the requirements clearer. >> > >> > -- >> > Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> > Senior Policy Officer >> > Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers >> > Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> > Malaysia >> > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> > >> > Your rights, our mission – download CI's Strategy 2015: >> > http://consint.info/RightsMission >> > >> > @Consumers_Int | www.consumersinternational.org | >> > www.facebook.com/consumersinternational >> > >> > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >> > necessary. >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Wed Jan 9 22:05:27 2013 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:05:27 +0900 Subject: [governance] Suggested amendment for the charter. 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