[governance] ¿Quien es responsable de esta desorganización?
Ginger Paque
gpaque at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 13:23:26 EST 2013
Hola José... Somos todos los responsables :) Somos todos los miembros...
Será que culpemos a quienes no votaron ni si, ni no?
En vez de culpables, voy en busqueda de una solución. Qué propones?
Saludos,
Ginger
Hi Jose... We are all responsible. :) We are all members...
Could we blame those who did not vote either yes, or no?
Instead of someone to blame, I am looking for a solution. What do you
propose?
Greetings,
Ginger
Ginger (Virginia) Paque
VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
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On 18 February 2013 10:55, José Félix Arias Ynche <jaryn56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ¿Se puede saber a quien o a quienes le toco esta responsabilidad? porque
> ahora nadie tiene la culpa de que estemos en este lió de reglamentos...
>
> No empleen el refrán de; Divide y Vencerás
>
> Lo que necesitamos es una; Enmienda al reglamento
>
> Estamos quedando ante los ojos del Mundo como cómo Desorganizados
>
> *Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche*
> * Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*
>
>
> 2013/2/18 Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
>
>> I usually find myself agreeing with Ginger and Izumi, but this time I
>> agree with Kerry.
>> If a group creates rules for itself then it should follow those rules, or
>> change them if the need arises, in the way that it has agreed.
>> And writing that first sentence gave me another perspective on the
>> earlier suggestion of transferring one's vote to a like-minded party. :-)
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On 18 February 2013 10:51, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for extension and reminder.
>>>
>>> izumi
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/2/18 shaila mistry <shailam at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>> Shaila
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> * From: * Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>;
>>>> * To: * governance at lists.igcaucus.org <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
>>>> Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>;
>>>> * Cc: * Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
>>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>;
>>>> * Subject: * Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>> * Sent: * Mon, Feb 18, 2013 2:36:53 PM
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Ian: I support extending the voting period and
>>>> reminding list members to vote as soon as possible.
>>>> Thanks gp
>>>>
>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>>
>>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>>>> Diplo Foundation
>>>> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
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>>>> **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2013 13:35, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sorry if my last message wasn't clear - I am in favour of counting the
>>>>> existing votes as valid, and just looking to boost the numbers of votes
>>>>> count, rather than running the whole process again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:27 AM
>>>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter
>>>>> Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree it would be helpful to know how many votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But before re-doing the vote (how many times, until 'we' get the
>>>>> result we want?), could we have the amendments presented again. With
>>>>> time for discussion, and then see if again there is support to hold a
>>>>> vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sala,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many votes short are we of a positive result?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would determine perhaps the best way to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case I dont think there is any great risk in re-opening the
>>>>>> vote to
>>>>>> get extra responses. The results in each ballot are clearly in favour
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> reforms, the will of the caucus seems clear, it’s just a technicality
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we have not had enough responses. (I would feel differently if on any
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> ballots the no votes were roughly equivalent to the yes votes)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I would suggest re-opening the ballot to allow those who havent
>>>>>> voted to
>>>>>> do so – accompanied by encouragement and reminders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:17 PM
>>>>>> To: Ian Peter
>>>>>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Ian and All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are correct. I apologize to the IGC for the oversight, the
>>>>>> mistake is
>>>>>> mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As such, we currently have two options and they are:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Option 1
>>>>>> Accept from the votes that all the proposals have failed based on the
>>>>>> results of the votes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Option 2
>>>>>> Re-run the votes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we take Option 2, we run the risk of setting a precedent for
>>>>>> extending
>>>>>> voting periods for other things that require voting including
>>>>>> coordinator
>>>>>> elections. Should we consider the current votes invalid and cast
>>>>>> fresh votes
>>>>>> or extend the votes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any event, the current revisions to the Charter that are on the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> will be reversed to reflect what it originally was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the sake of completeness, the record of the votes is as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not answer
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> questions, as none of them were compulsory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.
>>>>>> On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.
>>>>>> On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.
>>>>>> On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you and Kind Regards,
>>>>>> Sala
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sala, are you sure?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The charter amendment process states that it is 2/3 of membership
>>>>>>> required
>>>>>>> for charter amendments, not 2/3 of those who bothered to vote. My
>>>>>>> understanding is that none of the votes result in charter amendments,
>>>>>>> because none of them had over 2/3 of members supporting. The relevant
>>>>>>> charter quote is below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amendments to the Charter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than
>>>>>>> ten
>>>>>>> (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the
>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are
>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>> on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter,
>>>>>>> everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> amending the charter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (perhaps it should be different but it isn’t on my reading)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:11 AM
>>>>>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings! This is a brief update on the results of the IGC Charter
>>>>>>> Amendment Poll. Here are the results:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not answer
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> questions, as none of them were compulsory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.
>>>>>>> On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.
>>>>>>> On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.
>>>>>>> On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This means that all proposals pass with greater than 80% approval,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is excess of the 2/3 requirement. The text of the amendments is
>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>> http://igcaucus.org/formally-**proposed-charter-amendments<http://igcaucus.org/formally-proposed-charter-amendments>and the charter as
>>>>>>> amended is at http://igcaucus.org/charter and
>>>>>>> http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-**process<http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would also like to acknowledge and thank you all for your
>>>>>>> contributions,
>>>>>>> elaborate discussion and for taking the time to vote. Thank you to
>>>>>>> all those
>>>>>>> who proposed the amendments and initiated the process and to all
>>>>>>> those who
>>>>>>> took part. Special thanks also to Norbert for conducting the Poll
>>>>>>> and to
>>>>>>> Jeremy for helping out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With Kind Regards,
>>>>>>> Sala (on behalf of the Coordinators)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>>>>>>> P.O. Box 17862
>>>>>>> Suva
>>>>>>> Fiji
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twitter: @SalanietaT
>>>>>>> Skype:Salanieta.**Tamanikaiwaimaro
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>>>>>>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> P.O. Box 17862
>>>>>> Suva
>>>>>> Fiji
>>>>>>
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