[governance] Communication Challenges [Brainstorming]
Imran Ahmed Shah
ias_pk at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 15 06:06:25 EST 2013
Thanks Sala for
your complements for the contributors of the discussion who finalized the
statement with keen interest.
>How
can we turn this challenge of communication into an opportunity? Any thoughts?
In my opinion,
1. As a common
practice, if the machine translation tool is being used when contributor is not
conversant with the English, it is recommended to quote both versions/text
simultaneously. LACNIC is use to follow the same practice.However, we should not assume that the IGC coordinators have to
translate the comments or inputs in to multiple languages, or to ask the
members to elaborate their point of view. Otherwise their pre-qualification
will multi-language skills.
2. Some of the members (who may not be involved
in the discussion of each the segment of any joint statement) may have feeling
like they are acting as sheep (or being utilized as rubber stamp), because they
may be asked for voting to establish a significant identification of the level
of consensus. Normally few members actively contribute in a discussion and at
the end of discussion they achieve a goal by finalizing a common statement, a
joint agreement or disagreement. The main contributors should have to be
encouraged. However, everyone on the list is receiving the contents of
discussion but if they do not share their thoughts in time, or show agreement or disagreement during the
discussion period, they should not feel that they were ignored. However, the the statement may not be stated as a representation of full consensus. This is a
de facto problem of the democratic setup, which needs majority vote (even if
the problem is genuine, solution provider is honest and proposed solution is
excellent in global public interest), that is why the finalized version of the
statement or decision is submitted to the member of the community for their
vote. Actually it is a short method to obtain a quick identification of the
level of consensus. So, the members other than contributors of the discussion
should not feel it, because they missed the chance and opportunity of sharing their thoughts
during a common discussion. Due to time constraint, they may not be able to
change the contents of the statement but they are always open to give their
observation in favor or against.
Regards
Imran Ahmed Shah
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> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 2:46
>Subject: [governance] Communication Challenges [Brainstorming]
>
>
>Hi Avri, Jose and All:
>
>You are a valuable contributor to the discussions. The beautiful thing about Forums is that it creates a platform for rich and dynamic discussion with people from virtually all walks of life, diverse contexts and socialisation. One of the challenges within matters pertaining to global internet governance is the ability to communicate.
>
>As Michael pointed out, online Translators do not always work and can be a challenge. However, with something as diverse and versatile as global internet governance, there is a need to be inclusive whilst ensuring that there is proper communication.
>
>After all global public interest would dictate that the world is diverse but over time, we have come to an unspoken consensus that we will communicate in English and there are many versions of it- ;)
>
>How can we turn this challenge of communication into an opportunity? Any thoughts?
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>>
>>Even translated I am not sure what it says. But my name is in it, so I assume I am being reprimanded for some of my many transgressions.
>>
>>I do admit I got my comments in late. I had approached the task once after as it was announced, but mistakenly thought I had to be able to log in, tried and failed. I commented on that on the list, was corrected, but then just did not get back to the task until the discussion with Parminder about where someone should comment came up and reminded me. Given the wonderful capability the web tool offered of commenting per paragraph, I chose to use that method for commenting.
>>
>>When Norbert informed me I was late, I apologized for my lateness and even indicated that my comments could be ignored if that was the right thing to do because of my tardiness. And when Norbert was gracious enough to take them in but put a message that seemed to ask for contributed language, I did my best to comply. Since it was I who was late in commenting I willingly spent most of a day going back and forth with language suggestions and changes. I certainly did not think I did this transgressively. In any case that was never my intention, even if I did react sharply to a couple of the slings and arrows tossed my way. I know this is a "tough crowd," i expect to have things thrown at me, and I expect I will react sharply when that happens.
>>
>>I certainly NEVER expect people, especially the participants in IGC, to act like sheep. And while the co-coordinators have not called for a vote on this contribution, though they could have, I don't generally think of voting as a sheepish thing to do.
>>
>>In any case thanks to Norbert and the rest of you for considering my efforts as part of completing this exercise. I will ttry to be more timely with my efforts in the future. Then again since I have a nasty habit of overextending myself with various volunteers efforts, I know that I will fail again and again. But I try not to.
>>
>>avri
>>
>>
>>
>>On 14 Feb 2013, at 15:03, José Félix Arias Ynche wrote:
>>
>>> Translated from Spanish to English
>>>
>>>
>>> I have reason, when I say that the delay in choosing the five members was to not have enough time to discuss new proposals. And continue with the same.
>>>
>>> A last minute you want to make changes without discussion with time, and because Avri Doria has to do it at the last minute and the rest have to vote like sheep so that proposed
>>>
>>> You notice that conservatives do not want modernization Anything?
>>>
>>> I imagine the choice will ostrich policy.
>>>
>>> We are in the midst of a technological revolution, where we put the technology of the Internet to serve people just emerging as Latin America and the refuse and subtly.
>>>
>>> Vested interests??
>>>
>>> Please give me a reasonable explanation of conservative policies and set!
>>>
>>>
>>> Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche
>>> Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/2/14 michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
>>> Unfortunately my basic Spanish even in combination with Google translate don't give me enough to understand what our colleague Jose is trying to convey to us…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if someone who is sufficiently Spanish/English bi-lingual could do a rough translation that is intelligible in English (unfortunately the Google translate version is not…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of José Félix Arias Ynche
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:59 AM
>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Jeremy Malcolm; Norbert Bollow; Avri Doria; salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com; devonrb at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Part A Re: [] caucus contribution, consultation and MAG meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tengo razón, cuando digo que la tardanza en escoger a los cinco miembros era para que no se tenga el tiempo suficiente para debatir nuevas propuestas. Y seguir con lo mismo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A ultima hora se quiere hacer cambios sin debatirlos con tiempo, y porque Avri Doria tiene que hacerlo a ultima hora y el resto tenga que votar como carneros por lo que a propuesto,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Se nota que los conservadores no quieren la modernización ¿Hay algo?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Me imagino que el elegido seguirá la política del avestruz.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Estamos en medio de una revolución tecnológica, en donde debemos poner a la tecnología de la Internet al servicio de los pueblos emergentes como Latinoámerica y simplemente y sutilmente se los negamos.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ¿intereses creados?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ¡Por favor denme una explicación razonable y no de políticas conservadoras establecidas!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche
>>>
>>> Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/2/14 Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>
>>>
>>> On 14/02/13 17:55, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>>>
>>> Avri, Jeremy: Would prefacing the concerned paragraphs with "Some of us
>>> suggest that..." be acceptable from your perspectives?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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