[bestbits] [governance] Brazil, WSIS 10+ and ITU

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Very true. Funny when a GONGO keeps trying to speak for all of CS, and then accuses other civil society people / groups of being co opted by big business.

--srs (iPad)

> On 29-Dec-2013, at 16:25, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
> 
> Hi Parminder
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2013, at 2:24 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday 28 December 2013 06:18 PM, William Drake wrote:
>> 
>> SNIP
>> 
>>> Yes a push would be needed, but then CS would have to be able to collaborate with other stakeholders, the suggestion of which is of course ideological, and a reflection of your false consciousness
>> 
>> Well, depending on ones socio-economic location the consciousness may indeed be true :)
>> 
>>> and co-optation by hegemonic power structures.
>> 
>> Sitting cosily with big business reps (like the 5 recently proposed by BCCI for 1Net )
> 
> Uh, cosy is not me or “my ilk" sitting next to BCCI folks (nice people but different positions).  Come to a GNSO Council meeting and watch actual MS negotiations over real decisions that impact the net and tell me how cosy everyone looks.  Cosy is you (sans ilk) sitting next to the Indian and Saudi et al government dels in the WGEC, arguing for intergovernmentalism > multistakeholderism.   Compared to us allegedly mindless compromised types, it’s like peas in a pod :-)
> 
>> to oppose global public policy making
> 
> I don’t.  I oppose bad global public policy making undertaken in institutional environments that are designed to fail.
> 
>> can indeed be constructed as co-optation by hegemonic power structures. Surprising that having promoted development agenda in IG for years you fail to catch the basis of such very widespread, often even the dominant, perception in global civil society outside of the IG kinds.
> 
> 'Fail to catch' and 'do not agree' are two different things.  I admit I lack your ability to intuit the dominant perceptions in global civil society outside of the IG kinds on matters that have never been discussed with them.  But I can tell you from empirical lived experience that the CS actors of the IG kind that I collaborate with don’t appear to forgot their positions simply by working with stakeholders holding to other positions.  That certainly didn’t happen to in the course of pushing IG4D onto the IGF main session agenda (although I recognize we have different takes on what policies and action would best advance development).
>> 
>> As for WSIS plus 10, I welcome WSIS plus 10 process on the lines WSIS was held.
> 
> So you want us to be locked out of rooms again, shouted down again, and ultimately grudgingly consigned to five minutes at the end of a session for joint statements again?  If I may borrow your channeling tools, I don’t think that’s the dominant desire of global civil society.
> 
>> Almost everything good that has happened in global IG in the last 10 years can some way or the other be traced to the WSIS - that inter-governmental process with exemplary stakeholder participation.
> 
> You might consider going to some meetings that are not organized under UN auspices.  Or do you believe that nothing good has ever happened in ICANN, IETF, etc?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bill
>> 
>> Best, parminder
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Bill
>> 
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