[discuss] [governance] Report from the BR meeting local organizing group - Dec 2013

William Drake wjdrake at gmail.com
Fri Dec 27 06:05:46 EST 2013 

On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:34 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> 
> On Friday 27 December 2013 02:53 PM, William Drake wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> Small corrections please
>> 
>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 9:48 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Carlos
>>> 
>>> I understand that the local organising group will meet in a few hours from now...
>>> 
>>> I will request you to let them know that civil society groups
>> 
>> Should read “some civil society groups”.  Probably necessary to give their names so the message is understood properly.
> 
> I understand that it is a decision of 4 CS organisations/ networks - IGC, BB, IRP and APC -  which was sent in a written form to the Brazilians and I am only reiterating that decision... I understand that decision stand unless a counter decision is taken..

Well…As Nnenna and other have documented, IGC and BB are in fact the same people, and as BB is a voting platform with formal members it’s not clear how legitimately this position was adopted without a vote.  IRP I thought was a multistakeholder coalition, is it not?  I don’t recall what APC’s position was, would be good to have reconfirmation.  Either way, not endorsing that approach is NCSG (almost 400 organization and individual members), Diplo (quite a lot), or various other CS networks and organizations engaged in IG.  So you really are not in a position to issue grandiose totalizing proclamations on behalf of all global civil society.  And FWIW, as both a founding IGC member and a BB attendee, I certainly I don’t recall an open and inclusive discussion in either setting about whether to stand aloof of the process the Brazilians are asking us to use (which I can’t believe we’re still debating).  What I do remember is a few loud and aggressive voices demanding that this be the stance and nobody wanting to tangle.  I also remember the very same people who denounced using 1net as the agreed aggregator of nominations and anything else then demanding to be appointed to its coordination committee, which is a pretty blatant bit of have your cake and eat it too incoherence.

Anyway, it’s of course totally fine if there are groups that feel that on principle you will not interface with the Brazilian process in the manner the Brazilians have asked for.  Then simply say who you are, and don’t pretend to speak for other parts of CS that don’t agree with you.  
> 
> However, if you and or others want that decision to be reversed, please indicate so, and we can gather opinions.

I’m not asking you to change your view, I know you won’t. I’m asking you to please report accurately who supports your statement so that others of us don’t have to waste time issuing a public corrective.  Such a process is not going to add luster to CS participation. 

> Otherwise please do not confuse people about what is an existing decision of key civil society groups…

I’m not confusing people, you are.  You are claiming, yet again, to be speaking for “civil society,” when you are not.  It is a pretty major misrepresentation.

BD
> 
> parminder 
> 
>> 
>>> stand by their decision to communicate their nominees for various organising committees directly to the local organising group (LOG) ... All other kinds of communication from the civil society side 
>> 
>> from these members of the civil society ‘side’
>> 
>>> will also continue to be done from civil society side directly to the LOG, and later, as appropriate to the relevant organising committees. We
>> 
>> These civil society groups
>> 
>> These amendments add some precision and avoid some of the unnecessary confusion that’s arisen.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>>> do not intend to mediate any such communication through 1Net or any such other group. 
>>> 
>>> I will add as a personal opinion that: Brazil/ CGI.Br has taken the political role of organising this important meeting; it cannot now shirk from the corresponding political responsibilities, by passing them on to others who have not been given the needed legitimacy. The world sees and approves Brazil as the host and organiser of this meeting, and it will be best if they are able to continue to do so. Any change of perception would have important bearing on the legitimacy and success of the meeting. 
>>> 
>>> I would also like to request LOG to give civil society Liaisons - the names being already communicated to them - equal status and involvement in your meetings and decisions as, apparently, is being given to some other non governmental groups. 
>>> 
>>> In this regard I also request the Liaisons to be in contact with the LOG, and also with us. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks and best regards
>>> 
>>> Parminder
>>> 
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