[governance] Saving the Net

Chantal Lebrument chlebrum at gmail.com
Mon Dec 9 01:44:51 EST 2013 

Jean-Louis
Je suis abonnée au journal Le Monde mais le fichier est trop lourd et doit être traité. Dans la matinée...
Chantal

Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 9 déc. 2013 à 00:30, Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr> a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Norbert, Michael and members of the list
> 
>  
> 
> In addition to Norbert's arguments and Michael's previous comments there was an excellent report of a one page interview of French Minister of digital economy, Fleur Pelerin, in Le Monde dated Thursday December 5th. Of course, the report is in french and its (translared) title is :
> 
>  
> 
> "Big Data can became Big Brother, and we try to resist thet"
> 
>  
> 
> Unfortunately I'm a subscriber of the paper version only. Maybe one of our (french speaking) members has access to the electronic version and could send it to the list.
> 
>  
> 
> Some short exerpts :
> 
>  
> 
> "The speed of technical evolution hasn't been well percieved by the political authorities"
> 
>  
> 
> "The underlying question is that of data processing, not by governments but by private companies. We are now facing a new danger (...) Potentially billions of people are being subject to surveillance programs of the NSA via private companies that are mainly North american. These companies behave as quasi-sovereign States and don't recognize european rights. We must face totally new actors, with a hegemonic vocation".
> 
>  
> 
> "In Five to ten years there will be 50 billion connected objects (...) all that will generate even bigger masses of data, and this explosion will make Big Data become Big Brother, and it is that we try to resist to".    
> 
> Best regards
> 
>  
> 
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> 
> > Message du 07/12/13 22:34
> > De : "Jean-Louis FULLSACK" 
> > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Norbert Bollow" 
> > Copie à : 
> > Objet : Re: [governance] Saving the Net
> > 
> >
> >  
> 
> > dear Michael
> 
> >  
> 
> > You are right in stressing the danger of private data processing. With a State viololating its citizens' privacy we have at least the chance for changing ... its government, provided we are in a true democracy :-)   
> 
> >  
> 
> > More seriously, I understand your arguments and support particularly your secont point.
> 
> >  
> 
> > Thanks for your mail and enjoy the week-end
> 
> >  
> 
> > Jean-Louis
> 
> > Message du 07/12/13 18:30
> > De : "Norbert Bollow" 
> > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> > Copie à : 
> > Objet : Re: [governance] Saving the Net
> > 
> > Thanks, Jean-Louis for sharing that! Some really good thoughts from
> > Glenn Greenwald there. The one point where I disagree is in regard to
> > the assertion that privacy violations by governments are more
> > dangerous than data processing by private companies: First, any data in
> > the hands of the private sector should be assumed to be also available
> > to intelligence services. Secondly, we really don't know what kind of
> > socioeconomic network effects might get empowered by such data, I don't
> > see any assurance that this can't create some kind of monster that
> > might take the shape of a new kind of digital analogue to racism or
> > even feudalism.
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > Norbert
> > 
> > 
> > Am Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:43:16 +0100 (CET)
> > schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK :
> > 
> > > Dear members of the list
> > > 
> > > A very interesting article which might be central to Internet
> > > governance because it's about the global misuse of it by one Big
> > > Brother State -the US- with "Five Eyes ".
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Title and subtitle :
> > > 
> > > Saving the Net from the surveillance state: Glenn Greenwald speaks up
> > > (Q&A) The man to whom Edward Snowden entrusted his NSA documents
> > > isn't content just to save the Bill of Rights and reinvent
> > > journalism. He also wants to stop the Internet from becoming
> > > history's most dangerous spy tool.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Lets take our time to read it. It's here :
> > > 
> > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57613838-38/saving-the-net-from-the-surveillance-state-glenn-greenwald-speaks-up-q-a/?tag=nl.e496&s_cid=e496&ttag=e496&ftag=CAD1c318f6 
> > > 
> > > Best regards
> > > 
> > > Jean-Louis Fullsack
> > 
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> > To be removed from the list, visit:
> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
> > 
> > For all other list information and functions, see:
> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
> > http://www.igcaucus.org/
> > 
> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
> >
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>      governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> To be removed from the list, visit:
>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
> 
> For all other list information and functions, see:
>      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
>      http://www.igcaucus.org/
> 
> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> To be removed from the list, visit:
>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
> 
> For all other list information and functions, see:
>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
>     http://www.igcaucus.org/
> 
> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.igcaucus.org/pipermail/governance/attachments/20131209/8bbd5ead/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
     governance at lists.igcaucus.org
To be removed from the list, visit:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing

For all other list information and functions, see:
     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/

Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t

More information about the Governance mailing list