[governance] Message to IGC/ was formal notice to Suresh

[Norbert Bollow]

Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Still catching up.  So much fascinating email to catch up on.
> 
> 
> On 8 Apr 2013, at 08:08, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> 
> > Maybe one solution would be for the people who agree with you on
> > what kind of policy is desirable, to join that list?
> 
> 
> Love it or leave it?
> Is that what I hear?
> Agree or leave it?

There are different types of lists in regard to what rules there are and
how the rules are to be enforced or not, and there are different ways in
which the set of acceptable discussion topics can be chosen.

The fundamental situation that we had was that there was, on the same
list, a set of written rules and elected coordinators tasked with
enforcing them, and in addition someone who not only promoted a
different set of rules but who also systematically brought criticism and
personal attacks on those who failed to comply with that different set
of rules.

Unsurprisingly this conflicted situation was not conductive to
constructive discussion and discourse. 

There is however no reason why different sets of rules, and entirely
different philosophies in regard to the concept of posting rules, can't
peacefully coexist by means different lists functioning according to
different principles.

Of course we have other aspects of conflict and hostility besides what
I have described above, but the suggestion that people who desire a
fundamentally different type of list join a different list (unless they
believe that they are able to achieve the needed qualified majority and
quorum to change the IGC Charter) refers to the above-described kind of
disagreement with how the IGC Charter defines what IGC is supposed to
be. The logic of the IGC Charter is to either accept it (you don't have
to love it in order to accept it, and nobody will hate you for grumbling
occasionally about the aspects that you don't like) or you're not a
member of the IGC. I haven't invented that, that's just how it is. Maybe
it could be improved... in my opinion in order for a proposal for a big
change to have any chance of success, a proposer would need to provide,
as a first step, a way in which the potential improvement can be tried
out.

Greetings,
Norbert

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