[governance] Google's Fight the ITU/WCIT website
Fahd A. Batayneh
fahd.batayneh at gmail.com
Sat Nov 24 11:07:09 EST 2012
Ladies and gentleman, friends and colleagues, I am writing to you in my
capacity as a member of this mailing list and regardless of who have
replied to this rather long and time-expensive thread of e-mails regarding
violating the charter. May we all remember that we come from diverse
backgrounds and stakeholders, and it is extremely healthy to disagree on
issues under debate. If we all agree on everything, then what's the point.
I personally disagree at times on what is posted by some, but I tend to
reflect back and try to make some sense of it all. If things do not fit
right in my mind, I just leave it. If I find a thread to be expensive to
follow, I just neglect it.
Let us all agree to debate diplomatically without hurting or insulting any
member or thought.
Fahd
On Nov 24, 2012 5:17 PM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> In reply to that rather long screed, I will simply say that your attacking
> Google in lieu of criticizing their anti WCIT advocacy is mere propaganda,
> and inappropriate for civil society to engage in.
>
> --srs (htc one x)
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
> To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> Subject: [governance] Google's Fight the ITU/WCIT website
> Date: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:35 PM
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I did not want to intervene in this exchange since I am an implicated
> party, and therefore my comments may not be taken as disinterested,
> which I will like to claim they in fact are. For the record, I would
> like to state that my interest here is not to press for further ticking
> off those who have made postings that have been recognised as offending
> by many members of the list. However, I think Sala's intervention as the
> IGC coordinator is being unfairly targeted and since no one (except
> Michael now) has risen to her defence I take it my duty to do so. I
> express my strong disagreement with the manner in which Sala is being
> chastised for what I see as an entirely fair carrying out of her
> responsibility as IGC coordinator.
>
> I think there may have been a misunderstanding among at least some of
> those who have commented negatively on Sala's warning email . Of course
> she did not mean that the word 'nazi' may not be used at all. That would
> be so strange to do; which should have been obvious to everyone. Her
> email has to be read in the background of the warning emails that she
> issued just a while earlier. She only meant that the manner in which one
> member (deliberately using the third person) was accused, inter alia, of
> habitually engaging in Nazi like propaganda was unacceptable... and of
> course it will be as unacceptable to make such inappropriate references
> citing taliban or ku klux klan... Most importantly, such an accusing
> personal remark wasnt made in a one off manner.... This inappropriate
> comment followed use of a great deal of inappropriate language involving
> direct personal attacks within just the last few days. It is in this
> specific background that Sala wrote the email about not using words like
> nazi, and issued the warning, which followed a warning issued only a few
> hours earlier.
>
> The comments made by the persons who got warned, over quite a few
> emails, in my view, do adversely attract the 'posting rule' provisions
> of IGC's charter.
>
> The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:
> refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander
> refrain from offensive or discriminating language
> refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on
> list or off list
> refrain from excessive and repetitive posting
>
> Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include
> Unsolicited bulk e-mail
> Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and objectives
> Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the
> general subject
> Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause
> an IGC list to become a hostile environment
>
> http://www.igcaucus.org/charter
>
>
> Perhaps Sala could have been more explicit on what specific kind of
> use of the Nazi term did she object to, but she simply took it that
> people had been reading the offending emails.
>
> On the other hand, if indeed those who have been chastising Sala for her
> warning think she has done a wrong thing, I would like to ask then if
> they instead expect the offended member to get into a slanging match
> with the person who got the repeated warnings! Would that not destroy
> the elist. Do note that there are about 10 emails within a day or two
> that seem to carry on a surprisingly sustained exercise of making
> personal attacks.... In judging the coordinator's conduct one will have
> to ask oneself how would they themselves react if they were at the
> receiving end of these attacks, and what would be their own expectation
> from the list coordinator in such a case.
>
> (And I not really not cribbing here for my own sake. I really can manage
> these kind of people and the kind of things they do. But what would
> happen to any new member who but tries to post something that does not
> suit the these people's taste. In fact the message has perhaps already
> been given to them. And now, unfortunately, the IGC coordinator is being
> given the message that she should simply let these things happen and not
> intervene.)
>
> parminder
>
> On Saturday 24 November 2012 09:41 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On 23 Nov 2012, at 17:20, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> >
> >> Good reminder, McTim!
> >>
> >> --c.a.
> >>
> >> On 11/23/2012 12:34 AM, McTim wrote:
> >>> *Sala,*
> >>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Suresh,
> >>>>
> >>>> Please refrain from using words like "Nazi" on this list.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't think that IGC coordinators get to proclaim that there are
> words
> >>> that are off-limits.
> >>>
> >>> One of the very first IG cases was about the online sale of Nazi
> >>> memorabilia on Yahoo!
> >>>
> >>> As a reminder, here are the rules we have agreed to:
> >>>
> >>> *Suspension of posting rights*
> >>>
> >>> Failure to abide by posting rules may result in suspension or removal
> from
> >>> the IGC list according to the following process:
> >>>
> >>> The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the
> problem
> >>> If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the subscriber
> >>> publicly on the list of impending suspension from the list. Suspension
> will
> >>> include only posting rights.
> >>> If the problem persists the subscriber's posting rights will be
> suspended
> >>> for one (1) month.
> >>> Once the subscriber's posting rights are restored, any further
> problem
> >>> will result in another public warning.
> >>> If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second
> public
> >>> warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend the
> posting
> >>> rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber from the list.
> >>> Any decision for suspension can be appealed. Any decision to remove
> >>> someone from the list will call for an automatic appeal by the appeals
> team.
> >>>
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