[governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )

Wed Nov 21 16:13:53 EST 2012

Ian, 

I agree completely with "By all means argue for ITU to open up its closed meetings, but I do not think an alignment of opposition to ITU per se is sensible strategically." Personally I have always advocated keeping an open door and have worked with ITU whenever possible - since Tony was there actually back in the 80s, when we - conspired? - to help kill off the outmoded CCIR. There's certainly a lot of good things been done by the ITU over the past ~150 years.

That's a distinct issue however from agreeing with particular WCIT proposals that define packet networks of networks and various associated information services available across telecom networks, as the same thing as a telecom net, as some of the proposals under consideration at WCIT would ask us all to do. 

Maybe it's because I am a prof at an Information School, but personally I am partial to information services, and would not like to see them all submerged in telecoms regulation. But that's just me, I am not speaking for the West, or Cowboys of any variety. And again speaking personally, I don't see this as west v east or north - south issue, or white hats vs black hats, it's really far more nuanced even than a Hollywood B movie ; )

Although the headlines and noise over the next few weeks will be heavy on criticizing villains. 

So maybe we do have all the ingredients needed for another action - adventure! ; )  

Although the final outcome, odds are, will be another long and boring text intended to fudge the big issues, for the next 30 years.  Hopefully one civil society, globally, can live with.

Lee

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From: Ian Peter [ian.peter at ianpeter.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:42 PM
To: Lee W McKnight; michael gurstein; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from Tony Rutkowski   (comments welcomed :-)  )

Lee, is that Cowboys (as in those who hold power now) vs Indians (those
lacking power in this particular circumstance but holding certain moral
rights not respected by the cowboys?)

Certainly this looks like a battle between the Internet status quo,
(represented by USG, ISOC, Google et al) and a few nation states and their
organisation who feel disenfranchised by the growth of the Internet.

Well, let the games begin! I'm sure both parties feel they have God on their
side..

Ian Peter

PS I along with quite a few others here do not believe it is in civil
society's interests to take sides in this decades old battle. By all means
argue for ITU to open up its closed meetings, but I do not think an
alignment of opposition to ITU per se is sensible strategically.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee W McKnight
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:06 AM
To: michael gurstein ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: RE: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note
from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )

I recommend the more nuanced (?) recent Hollywood B movie -  'Cowboys and
Aliens.'
In case you missed it, and sorry then for giving away the plot, Cowboys, of
the black and white hat variety, and "Indians," all join together to battle
the space invaders ; )
Lee
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From: michael gurstein [gurstein at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:26 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Lee W McKnight
Subject: RE: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note
from Tony Rutkowski   (comments welcomed :-)  )

Hmmm... Cowboys and ``Indians``... I like a good shoot-em-up especially when
the good guys are all wearing white hats and the bad guys, black ones...
Makes figuring out who to root for so much easier :)

M

-----Original Message-----
From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Lee W McKnight
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:45 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from
Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )

The attachment is perhaps of interest to some, re WCIT, from old pal, and
ex-FCC, ex-ITU, and ex-Verisigner Tony Rutkowski. ; )

Lee
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From: David Farber [dave at farber.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:21 PM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from Tony Rutkowski
(comments welcomed :-)  )

From: Tony Rutkowski <trutkowski at netmagic.com>
Subject: Re: Any chance
Date: November 21, 2012 9:57:20 AM EST
To: "DAVID J. FARBER" <farber at gmail.com>
Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com

Hi Dave,

Does this do it for you?
It should be popular. :-)

For noting, I ran the secretariat
for the last WCIT, and helped
the Secretary-General at the
time develop and negotiate
the provisions in his hometown
of Melbourne.  I also led the
ITU-T cybersecurity standards
group over the past four years.
The turf is all too familiar.

cheers,
tony

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