[governance] IGF and Enhanced Cooperation

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Tue May 29 12:38:32 EDT 2012 

Hi,

My assumption about Ministerials is that ministers attend.  I doubt that any ministers would come to Baku just to attend an EC pre-event.

I also assumed that a ministerial means that some countries bring a bigger entourage. I am assuming that some appropriate member of a minister's entourage might attend an EC pre-event if one was held concurrent with the Ministerial.

I think I noticed in Nairobi, that even some people of ministerial ranks (or at least elite enough to be invited to hang out with them) seemed to slip off and attend some of the other stuff that was happening that day.

avri

On 29 May 2012, at 12:28, Lee W McKnight wrote:

> Thanks Anriette,
> 
> I thought folks were saying that the pre-event Ministerial precluded governments from participating in an advance EC event.
> 
> My hunch is still a 'coalition of the willing and able' - whether willing because they wish for progress on EC, or fear it - would adjust plans and stick around for the CS-led after-event discussion. Including - some - government reps. Who tend to have more flexibility and ease in adjusting travel arrangements than broke CS types.  But, if the same objective can be served within an Open Session of IGF, as Izumi suggests, that might be even better.
> 
> And as noted, it was just my 2 cents, if not feasible or useful, or if advance event works...never mind.
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Anriette Esterhuysen [anriette at apc.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:40 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] IGF and Enhanced Cooperation
> 
> Dear Lee
> 
> The problem with this is that we are not likely to get government
> participation, and, I really believe that we do need to get particularly
> developing country government voices. If the EC meeting overlaps with
> the ministerial we are more likely to get gov participants.
> 
> We had very good participation in the human rights pre-event we convened
> last year in Nairobi.
> 
> But a post IGF civil society meeting could still be a good idea.. to
> focus on the views and debates among civil society on EC. Problem is
> also cost though.. and as there are already several other events the day
> before, it is more likely people are planning to be there already.
> 
> Anriette
> 
> 
> On 29/05/2012 16:53, Lee W McKnight wrote:
>> If I may make a suggestion:
>> 
>> Saturday Nov. 10th is a travel day for folks returning from IGF 2012. Rather than jam into a crowded schedule  before the event, invite people to stick around after IGF 2012, for an extraordinary session on enhanced cooperation in Internet Governance. A through discussion of Parminder's views and others could be among those featured; we need some controversy to drum up interest.
>> 
>> That session whatever it is called would of course be loosely associated with, but not sanctioned by IGF. Hence there is no need to run by the MAG except as a courtesy. It could be hosted by IGC and staffed by attending CS groups.
>> 
>> We  would of course invite the technical and business communities, governments, and international organizations, each in their respective roles ; ). But seeing as it is an unofficial event, everyone can relax since nothing official can happen.
>> 
>> Except perhaps some endorsement of Wolfgang's Internet Declaration, and/or IRP's 10 Internet Rights and Principles. For examples of two possible outcomes. (And because of the fear/worry we might actually do/say something, we can expect a reasonably MSH attendance. Even if the event itself is explicitly CS putting its foot down and insisting we will not be left out of the discussion/definition of enhanced cooperation.)
>> 
>> The beauty of this in my opinion is noone can object to folks getting together on a Saturday, and being extra nerdy and trying to make sense of the inscrutable.
>> And IGC need ask noone's permission. We would need a venue and someone or some virtual committee to volunteer to pull together. Since the CSTD thing May 18 seems to be agreed to have been a waste of time, why not show folks how CS - enhances cooperation.
>> 
>> I'm only volunteering my 2 cents, and to remotely participate from sunny Syracuse.
>> 
>> Lee
>> 
>> PS: The worst headline we can anticipate is 'People threaten to provide oversight to the Internet' or some such, so politically speaking I think we can get away with this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Roland Perry [roland at internetpolicyagency.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:54 AM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> Subject: Re: [governance] IGF and Enhanced Cooperation
>> 
>> In message <463E2160-45C0-42EE-AE0F-810B41F955F1 at acm.org>, at 07:40:58
>> on Tue, 29 May 2012, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> writes
>>> And we were told quite specifically by the hosts that their Ministerial
>>> had NOTHING to do with the IGF, so it makes no sense to let that stand
>>> in the way of anything.
>> 
>> Any diary clash that prevents an important stakeholder group from
>> attending should be taken into consideration.
>> 
>> It's irrelevant whether or not the clashing event is part of the same
>> process. eg If there was a special intersessional ICANN GAC meeting that
>> Monday, which is certainly not part of the IGF, it would be rude to
>> arrange an event to clash with it.
>> --
>> Roland Perry
>> 
>> 
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